We are finally at a 2 hour drive (158 miles/ 80mph), 15 minute charge ratio for highway driving! Huge milestones for EVs. Tesla needs to take some notes.
I really do think now that anyone that mentions "range anxiety" are just anxious people; it says everything about the person saying to and nothing about the infrastructure, even though the infrastructure could be better still. Even with what we have, charging stations ensure you get good ergonomic and personal-need breaks on a long road trip. As an example: it's been possible for years to do a Cannonball Run (NYC to LA) using different routes (one way mainly on I-80 via Iowa and Colorado, the other on Interstates that follow the old Route 66 via New Mexico and Missouri) AND limit yourself to one charging network with no worries. If an EV driver only used Electrify America, the furthest hop on the northern route between two charging locations is 139 miles (Bloomsburg, PA to DuBois, PA) and 128 miles on the southern route (Winslow, AZ to Gallup, NM). Even if they wanted to do the 160+ mile loop to see the Grand Canyon between Williams and Flagstaff, AZ, there are four 350kW chargers at the Visitor Center on the way. The only way for anyone to run out of power on the longest of journeys for most places now is to not pay attention or not do the minimum of planning!
@@Xetairex The original comment is about charging. It has nothing to do with cameras or safety. That's a whole discussion entirely that deserves it's own thread.
Porsche engineering has always been the standard and in just 4 years they are already ahead of tesla whose been in business since 2007 trying to make a good ev ❤
@@G82Watts Not at all. Charging is the only thing they appear to really excel at The Model S Plaid (top trim Model S) costs 90K which less than a base rwd Taycan with the small battery (~100k). Comparable Taycan is 2x the price. Until Porsche is able to provide such technology for 75K it doesn't count because very few people are able to obtain such cars. IMO Hyundai/KIA/Genesis are doing the best because they offer a lot of the Porsche tech and engineering for a fraction of the Porsche cost.
@@brendykes1202 bad idea. Fines and other penalties are huge in Europe. Some countries have fines based on your income and can be months of income. Some countries will confiscate your car and you don’t get a dime back.
We just did a non-stop two driver round trip from Los Angeles to Denver and back in a Model Y. With a dog, stops are roughly the same time as when we did the trip in a gas car, basically after taking turns using the restroom and walking the dog, the car was ready before us. Taycan 4S is on the list, hopefully it'll depreciate enough by the time my Model Y warranty is up.
Welcome to my place Kyle! Safe travels and enjoy the good German charging network. Next gen Taycan you need to use a slow-motion camera to get usable material out of it. Awesome.
This charging performance is just incredible! It delivered more than the usable capacity of my Kona in 15 minutes. That’s just crazy to think about. I think by 2030 we will have an EV that is just as fast to road trip as an ICE. For now I would still prefer road tripping in an EV because charge times don’t bother me at all and the ride more than makes up for it.
WHOA!!! the charging performance has me ECSTATIC for how the comings year(s) will outperform our expectations! That being said YES!!! Macan EV tests! (Also: Whoa whoa whoa! What about that Macan!? Lest the whole conversation is redacted.) Deeply appreciate your commitment, enthusiasm and integrity each and every episode Kyle a d O.o.S Family!
My two cents, after a few family EV Euro trips. This does not work when you have small kids. Stopping every two hours to charge is insane. They might have just finally fallen asleep, and for the next two hours should get some rest, and then stop, charge, have a walk, eat, run, be marry. But you should be the one that chooses when and where to stop, not the car. They are angry because sleep schedule is off, fall har back asleep, and you are now again just one hour away of having to stop again, wake them up, angry, so on and so forth. We drive 90 kmh on the autobahn because we have to prolong the trip in order for them to sleep, and have a good schedule. Then the road trip can begin. For a comfortable drive for the kids, not my bladder, I need 4 hours of driving, to be sure they are happy. My old Lexus gs450h, was a road trip king, dead silent. My kids were never angry, slept for even 3 hours, now, one hour and a half. I switched from hybrid to EV because I liked that cars EV mode so much, the engine was intruding, and thought to myself, let's cut that out :))))))))) still searching for my way back. Great reviews, put some of that data in kilometres, at least when you film here. Thanks and keep on experimenting!
What's with u people and expecting a premium luxury brand like porsche to be affordable to average Joe's. Sorry they aren't tesla with their cost cutting 0 luxury interior and bland exterior. Premium quality and ride quality comes at a price
@@G82Watts Average Joe’s cannot afford a Model S Plaid either, and yes it is relative. The Taycan is a screaming deal compared to all the ICE supercars with their million plus dollar prices, and I assume the new top model Taycan does well against them on the track too. But the more affordable Porsche makes it, the more people can buy one, even if that is just dropping the prices by ten thousand here and there. That is all, simple math.
I’ve been fan of Porsche since I live next to the factory when I was a kid, but the engineering in this car is absolutely next level. How can they get charging to work at that level compared to everybody else it puts 63 KWH in battery in 15 mins. Because it’s an 800volt battery it’s going to be able to have a higher charge rate but that’s next level.
Porsche is definitely pushing fast charging technology ahead as it should. I hope this better charging capability continues to improve while it simultaneously trickles down and becomes available for all BEVs. Also noteworthy is appreciating the actual amount of energy actually transfed and the rate at which it is being done. Pushing almost 400 amps at 800 volt is nothing short of remarkable for reusable connector and a cable and connector small enough and flexible enough that it can be handled (perhaps two hands as you noted) by regular person. We are definitely closing in on recharge times that rival gasoline fill-ups.
I was told that new software is not coming to older models. It's a new operating system. However, I hope some of the features will land, CarPlay+ is the one I'd like to see...
Sadly most of the legacy manufacturers are not delivering newer updates to older cars, even though they have the hardware to support it. I love my EQS but Mercedes is not delivering any updates that even cheaper and less equipped newer (EQ) cars are getting, I'm very disappointed. Even though I'm not a Tesla fan, props to them on diligently updating cars.
@@ani_b there are few reasons why these major updates are not happening. Most important one is the directive about cyber security in EU, which was implemented in July 2022, becoming mandatory in July 2024. That directive basically rendered, at the time, current hardware platforms as outdated. These facelifts come with new hardware that will allow them to implement new directive. Otherwise they would not be allowed to sell these cars in EU.
@@ani_b someone gave you the actual reason for what manufacturers are doing. Something you never bothered looking up despite your constant whining on the channel, and not even a single; "ohh, thanks... wasn't aware, but now I understand", or it's equivalent from you. The world is ever changing. This is an EV specific ruling, and Mercedes is one of tye only few Manufacturers that wasn't vastly affected by tye ruling as they're easily the top dog in the German space, when it comes to anything tech. Unlike those who have to cease production of older models or some kine entirely in the EU, they can at least still sell theirs. But newer models with more advanced model is required to be able to keep up to date with anything major. If tye older ones do get extra certifications for UN R155/156, then that'll take quite a while. You'll still get basic updates. You pretty much have the best infotainment in the auto industry and I can't for the life of me even get the point in your whining. No one lost a life when their ICE or Hybrid car wasn't updated to a newer MB NTG version. You already have a version of NTG 7 that's more advanced than the normal one. Basically a 7.5 of sorts, and 8 is only on 2/3 models as we speak. So relax.
@@Awaks lemme get this straight. Your "explanation" for why I should be ok getting no updates on my promised updateable car that cost $120K+ is - it has a higher UX version than others? Do you know these updates go beyond UX? Do you know what the features I'm complaining about are, or how many other EQS owners feel the same? Or that I'm referring to updates that have been delivered to newer MYs of the same model, even small ones that are not dependent on hardware?
Great Video! Always love the EU content! Only thing that will suck road tripping Taycan in USA is the infrastructure also Kyle is correct the old car is still an amazing vehicle. Dealers are offering good discounts on in stock models as well.
Amazing performance. Porsche is just so far ahead. It’s funny the old model is way better than new models coming out this year from other manufacturers.
Kyle, I really think OOS needs to do more with a RWD Ioniq 6 on 18s. That car can take in about 47kwh in 15 mins from 10% SOC and is much more efficient than any Taycan. You can buy one for $32k new, and it could potentially beat Air, Model S and Taycan in a race to Vegas. Full send, he’ll yeah brother…as a proud EV nerd, OOS is the only place on YT that knows more than me and the big races are hours of fun. Thanks!
@@nssomething8370 if you have used both nacs connector and ccs it’s like not even up for discussion. Ccs is heavy bulky hard to move. When it’s cold the cables become rocks etc. nacs is light, allows for very high current, same connections for ac and dc, easier to hold, plug in and move about in warm and cold….
Awesome video as usual. Porsche is going to sell a bunch of these. I saw the city of Darmstadt on the dash. Mannheim is near Darmstadt and I lived there as a kid for 6 years in the late 70's and mid '80s. It was a magical place. Again, gr8 vid as usual. 🚗🇺🇸🔌⚡
Less aerodynamic EV’s with great charging as well as more aerodynamic EV’s with less charging capability are judged best if you drive 80MPH. At lower highway speeds when aerodynamics play less of a role some EV’s raise in the rankings because they have better charging than aero. I have immense respect for Porsche’s improvements in this regard. A great road trip EV keeps me at a charger the least amount of time we both agree. Form (aero) at the sacrifice of function is something no one wants. Porsche’s latest design is a splendid balance for many improving an already proven EV! #bravo
The cars you test in Germany will have an unfair advantage since the roads are so nice over there! ;) you must be living the dream being able to test EVs all over the world
@@gavcom4060It doesn't matter if he gets caught. Demonstrating that he methodicallyc disrespects the law and the safety of other road users is pretty unprofessional for a motor jurnalist.
Great video and what a result!. I would love if it is possible to test the new Taycan together with the old taycan with same wheeels to get the real efficiency improvement of the drivetrain
The "how far" question seems to dominate the discussion of EVs, but assuming availability of fast charging, the real question is charge curve. I wish all the manufacturers would pay more attention to this.
No, focusing on initial range is the most important. Most people are going to be charging at home, very rarely are you driving more than 250-300 miles in a day. This type of testing is the back to back cross continent 500-1000 mile days someone might do once or twice a year. It also comes down to age. Talk to your parents, or anyone over 45 and you'll see they almost never do any of this type of driving anymore.
@@otm646 Of course, you buy the car that has the range appropriate for your day-to-day use. But for most people, that would be our used Nissan Leaf with 80 miles of range, which we charge once a week to keep the 12V battery healthy, but don't really need to, for the traction battery. But the clamoring for greater range beyond the 250-300 currently available, that's not about day-to-day driving, but about travelling, and for that, a fat charge curve and high power DC fast chargers make all the difference, not battery range. If you have a big assed battery that will go 400 miles between charges, but takes an hour to fast charge, that's more negatively impactful to a trip than a 250 mile car that goes 20% -70% in ten minutes.
@@davesvoboda2785 I feel that you're both right however, I suspect that most people (who charge their EV at home like myself), they will prefer range over charging speed. I feel like My i4 M50 would be perfect with around 100 more miles of range for my needs. I can complete a round trip without having to stop but to be sure, I charge publicly around half the time so I can drive without conserving my range. The current range in decent weather (50F to 90F) is 250 to 270 miles (my average is 3.2 mi/kwh over 15K miles). I rarely drive far enough where the fast charging will be more beneficial and I don't see myself siting in the car for more than 400 miles max.
Bro porsche engineering is insane. They did all this while cutting the wieght of the entire car down. Easily the new EV standard. Only took porsche 4 years. Sheezz
For EV’s I wouldn’t call this the best EV for road trips. I would just call it the best EV. It’s an estate, so it’s practical, good looking and drives well. It is built really well. Only big downside: price and costs. The 4S sport tourismo starts at 150k Euros with decent equipment and uses more electricity than others, but makes up for it in charging. Curious about Bjorn’s 1000km test on this.
OK, Porsche probably makes the best EV's, tbh, when it comes to charging speed and range. But at this price, doesn't really matter for the normal human :))
This is now a big enough jump for people that hadn't switched to EV before to now consider it. 310 miles range, plus 10 minutes' charging at stops is pretty good.
regarding handshake speeds that seemed ungodly slow, even on those janky tritium units. i just did a little road trip from the southeast of the UK to Birmingham, used fastned (with autocharge) and handshake was about 5 seconds
It’s a different battery on a different platform so I don’t think you can hope for that. The Taycan is the best they have while the macan is a more affordable option.
I would love to see a range and 10% test of the Taycan 4 Cross Turismo with descent aero wheels :) A tip, if you can, show it in km aswell. I really enjoy your videos :)
When are we going to stop the rouse that Tesla is the world leader in charging? They’re barely the US leader in charging and the moment the public charging networks get their act together Tesla’s large number of 150 kW chargers and their not great cooling and charge curves on said chargers will get exposed.
Kind of afraid that the Tesla SC layoffs mean whatever 800v cabinet plans they had got delayed. If so, it’d be a huge setback for something like this to really take advantage of NACS infrastructure.
Yeah the NACS story got cancelled - looks like, very sad. I hope that real companies with sane CEO´s will pick up the opportunity and build out reliable charger networks in the US.
New Taycan has a 97kW usable battery and at 80mph you averaged 2.5 mi/kW. Leaving for a roadtrip at 100% SOC and arriving at a charger at 10% would give you 218 miles of range at 80mph. 15 minutes of charging gives you at peak speeds basically 160 miles of range at 80mph. So in total, you could travel roughly 378 miles in 5 hours including the 15min charge in the middle and arrive at your destination with 10% again. Your average speed would be 75mph and for a roughly 400 mile road trip it’s nearly identical to a ICE car. Most people aren’t driving 300+ miles without stopping anyways. I know this argument has been played out before with EVs but even with this napkin math and this test shows this car can easily do 400 miles at 80mph just as comfortably and quickly as a ICE vehicle. This isn’t even the most efficient version of the Taycan either! Pretty amazing show of tech.
Running the AC while keeping the windows open is peak naughty behavior. You could have gotten a slightly better result if you had kept the windows closed.
I definitely would consider this as my next EV. After 10 years of Teslas, I’m fed up with Teslas lack of interior and exterior quality, Elon’s nonsense, forever beta FSD, and lack of choices for interior and exterior colors. I’m being kind not to mention a few other issues with Teslas.
in the least, their top of the line vehicles should. no doubt the battery chemistry that porsche is using is more expensive + big overengineered thermal systems. the taycan is like $140k
Yep, asap would be great, they need to step up their charging game. It's not terrible 30-40 mins to get from low state of charge to 80% or higher but this is what these potential new customers need to see to take the plunge into a Ev.
I want to see Race to Vegas with this, Lucid, Model S, and one of the EGMP cars (Ioniq 5, EV6, etc.) since they got 2nd place on the 1st Race to Vegas and represent a much lower price point.
Whenever you get the chance to test the Polestar 4, would love to know if it can actually charge from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes, apparently they teamed up with a company called Charge Dot that really good at charging speeds
If low-efficiency EVs are less impacted by elevation gains, extreme weather and strong winds, it would be reasonable to prefer low-efficiency EVs with high battery capacity, they'd be more predictable on long trips on variable roads.
Depends. Low-efficiency means you're less impacted by wind and weather, but you're more impacted by the charging speeds of the stations along your route. Traveling a corridor with only 150 kW chargers impacts your charge time much more if your vehicle gets 2 mi/kWh than if it gets 4 mi/kWh. Low-efficiency also makes driving very expensive, especially when paying public charging rates. And, even when home charging, a less efficient vehicle needs you need more amps to be able to finish charging overnight, which, in turn, means a more expensive charger and a greater likelihood of needing upgrades to your electrical panel. Granted, nobody that buys a Porsche cares the slightest about the cost of electricity, but it's still worth saying.
@@carholic-sz3qv And you're paying double or likely triple what you'd pay for an EV to go the same distance. Even more if you consider cheap charging at home.
@@fiehlsport most charging is done at home so overall savings over a gas vehicle. Unless you are a traveling salesman or something and EV will be cheaper for 95% of people.
You should try to get your hands on a Berlin build Model Y RWD with the BYD Blade battery while you are in Germany. It has a pretty flat curve at 170kw all the way to over 50% and when plugged in at high state of charge, still goes up to 170 kw for some time. Overall it charges from 10 to 100 in under 30min and therefor often is a better road tripping car than the LR Model y in Europe with the LG battery.
wow, that was wow. I said many times - 15 minutes of charging for 2 hours of driving is ideal. 99.9% of people dont need more. And that with 2.5mi/kWh. Imagine if Tesla with their 3 mi/kWh efficiency will get 67kWh within 15 minutes! Thats 200 miles.
Ok what is Porsche’s warranty on that batterie and are you allowed on a highway trip repeatedly charge at that speed ? Do you have to interrupt DC charging from time to time with AC charging to avoid dentrit building?
Good job Porsche, but I already can't go to the restroom, walk the dog, get a snack and a drink before my Model Y is done charging. And I paid $53,000 before the $7,500 Federal tax credit and the $5000 Colorado tax credit.
@@sender5804 And must not have a woman with you either, LOL. Cause you're be making a lot more 8 minute bathroom stops if you you do. ...... As for yourself, If it takes you 5 minutes to fill up on a road trip, you can't go to the bathroom while you're filling up. You have to stand there. Then another 5 minutes to walk across the parking lot and go to the bathroom. By then I'm 2/3rds to 1/2 done with my charging. As soon as I plug in, I can go do my business. Not really that much difference in time.
I think it's a matter of time before it does trickle down. There was a time way back in the day when only luxury cars had features like power locks, power seats, and keyless entry. Today, even the cheap cars all have it. It will be the same with 300 kW charging speeds.
They said that they made tests with charging speeds that are a bit slower than with the car they released know and it showed almost no degradation, so they increased the charging speed even further
It is Not that extreme you think...they charge with about 3C as Peak...300kw/100kwh...which is already done by others, too. The real improvement is the relative high Level almost the entire charging time. Model 3 is at 3.2C...250kw/77kwh...but the Peak is very short and charging much slower due to this. They have a really bad charging curve, whereas the new Porsche Curve is relative flat.
Are all EV makers using very similar lithium ion batteries? If so, what is the reason some EVs only hold a high charge rate for a brief period, and others charge at a high rate even when the battery is in a mid to high state of charge? Are some EV makers being incautious - or do they have technical superiority that lets them charge so much faster?
My guess is that a lot of the difference comes from the capacity of the battery cooling system. The faster you charge, the more heat you generate, so the more powerful a cooling system is needed to dissipate that heat. Some of it could also be Porsche willing to make sacrifices on battery longevity in order to be able to say that their cars charge faster than everyone else. The type of person who buys a new Porsche is someone who has more money than sense, so they probably aren't too concerned with how much battery degradation they have after 5-8 years of driving, and they'll probably be trading the car up (taking a huge depreciation hit) after 2-3 years anyway. For cheaper cars, such as a Bolt or Model 3, battery longevity is much more important.
What do you guys think is the current theoretical limit charging 15 mins at a 350kW charger? Maybe 400 km/250 miles at 2.86mi/kWh (0.22kWh/km or 0.35kWh/mi)?
The charging curve is VERY impressive. But I do wonder if Porsche compromises battery (and component) health for the benefit of ramping it up so high. Or put differently: why can't Tesla do the same?
For safety reasons it's a very bad idea to leave a gas pump unattended while filling up. While it may only take 3-4 minutes to fill up the driver is stuck standing next to the gas pump until it's finished. With an EV a driver can plug in and instantly walk into the convenient store to buy a few snacks and go to the bathroom while it's charging. The problem is it's not fully charged in that 10 minute convenient store stop. If it was, you could start to make the argument that an EV road trip is actually faster than an ICE road trip, as you aren't stuck standing next to a gas pump for 3-4 minutes before you can walk into the convenient store. BUT i think we are a long way away from arguing that EVs are better road-trippers than ICE vehicles... as impressive as this result was.
No need for it, I use Travel Assist and Radar for this...ACC just stops behind any car, if it stops. Furthermore a passenger, my wife😊, hates this, since you get easily moving sick, since coasting is much more natural.
11:53 - how shoulf an ota update increase the speed on an old chemistry battery ? This is a completet new car regarding the drive train from battery to engine at least. and it is a showcase what we can expect too see in smaller cars too and how VW has been beaten with its outdated ID crap of cars.
Insanity... plus as batteries get bigger/more dense, they'll be able to handle more kWs for longer, speeding up charging times even more. Hopefully 800V architecture becomes the standard.
Think charging 15 minutes with my Bolt I could go from 10% to 12%. 😀
4680 10%-35%
@@Yachtzeee cyber truck uses 4680 and it gets more than that.
LOL😂
Try using the 350 next time 😜
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We are finally at a 2 hour drive (158 miles/ 80mph), 15 minute charge ratio for highway driving! Huge milestones for EVs. Tesla needs to take some notes.
@@Jamey_ETHZurich_TUe_Rulez Dude, leave your rant somewhere else. What you said doesn't even pertain to Farhood's comment.
Elon doesn't really care any more. Tesla needs a less distracted CEO to get itself back on track.
@@MountainManGuy Leave your fanboyism at the door, dude. What he said is true.
I really do think now that anyone that mentions "range anxiety" are just anxious people; it says everything about the person saying to and nothing about the infrastructure, even though the infrastructure could be better still. Even with what we have, charging stations ensure you get good ergonomic and personal-need breaks on a long road trip.
As an example: it's been possible for years to do a Cannonball Run (NYC to LA) using different routes (one way mainly on I-80 via Iowa and Colorado, the other on Interstates that follow the old Route 66 via New Mexico and Missouri) AND limit yourself to one charging network with no worries. If an EV driver only used Electrify America, the furthest hop on the northern route between two charging locations is 139 miles (Bloomsburg, PA to DuBois, PA) and 128 miles on the southern route (Winslow, AZ to Gallup, NM). Even if they wanted to do the 160+ mile loop to see the Grand Canyon between Williams and Flagstaff, AZ, there are four 350kW chargers at the Visitor Center on the way. The only way for anyone to run out of power on the longest of journeys for most places now is to not pay attention or not do the minimum of planning!
@@Xetairex The original comment is about charging. It has nothing to do with cameras or safety. That's a whole discussion entirely that deserves it's own thread.
That’s basically a full model Y battery pack in 15 minutes.
Great job Porsche
One of the cons of the Porsche Taycan from Edmunds. "EV greatness comes at a commensurately great price"
Model Y has a roughly 81kWh battery (Around 75kWh usable), so not quite. It's closer to something like the Bolt EV which has a 66kWh battery.
Maybe a Model Y with the small battery. Definitely not the large though
Porsche engineering has always been the standard and in just 4 years they are already ahead of tesla whose been in business since 2007 trying to make a good ev ❤
@@G82Watts Not at all. Charging is the only thing they appear to really excel at The Model S Plaid (top trim Model S) costs 90K which less than a base rwd Taycan with the small battery (~100k). Comparable Taycan is 2x the price. Until Porsche is able to provide such technology for 75K it doesn't count because very few people are able to obtain such cars. IMO Hyundai/KIA/Genesis are doing the best because they offer a lot of the Porsche tech and engineering for a fraction of the Porsche cost.
That charging curve is insane,I hope Elon is watching,800v for the win,cheers Kyle 👍💪😉
The rumor is that musk is no longer interested in electric cars … he’s moving into other fields of interest
@@panameradan6860 the fact that you even wrote this tells me you have no clue of what Tesla stands for or its values.
Time for a cannonball
EU version
@@brendykes1202 bad idea. Fines and other penalties are huge in Europe. Some countries have fines based on your income and can be months of income. Some countries will confiscate your car and you don’t get a dime back.
@@tomm5936 ok. German autobahn version. Cross the country back & forth until the Cannonball distance is reached
@@brendykes1202 Many parts have speedlimits, with that said they probably would ban him from returning if he released a German Cannonball run.
Just wait till a version comes state side
We just did a non-stop two driver round trip from Los Angeles to Denver and back in a Model Y. With a dog, stops are roughly the same time as when we did the trip in a gas car, basically after taking turns using the restroom and walking the dog, the car was ready before us. Taycan 4S is on the list, hopefully it'll depreciate enough by the time my Model Y warranty is up.
Welcome to my place Kyle! Safe travels and enjoy the good German charging network. Next gen Taycan you need to use a slow-motion camera to get usable material out of it. Awesome.
This charging curve is insane, I can't wait to see this curve trickle down more entry level EVs
This charging performance is just incredible! It delivered more than the usable capacity of my Kona in 15 minutes. That’s just crazy to think about. I think by 2030 we will have an EV that is just as fast to road trip as an ICE. For now I would still prefer road tripping in an EV because charge times don’t bother me at all and the ride more than makes up for it.
WHOA!!! the charging performance has me ECSTATIC for how the comings year(s) will outperform our expectations! That being said YES!!! Macan EV tests!
(Also: Whoa whoa whoa! What about that Macan!? Lest the whole conversation is redacted.)
Deeply appreciate your commitment, enthusiasm and integrity each and every episode Kyle a d O.o.S Family!
My two cents, after a few family EV Euro trips. This does not work when you have small kids. Stopping every two hours to charge is insane. They might have just finally fallen asleep, and for the next two hours should get some rest, and then stop, charge, have a walk, eat, run, be marry. But you should be the one that chooses when and where to stop, not the car. They are angry because sleep schedule is off, fall har back asleep, and you are now again just one hour away of having to stop again, wake them up, angry, so on and so forth. We drive 90 kmh on the autobahn because we have to prolong the trip in order for them to sleep, and have a good schedule. Then the road trip can begin. For a comfortable drive for the kids, not my bladder, I need 4 hours of driving, to be sure they are happy. My old Lexus gs450h, was a road trip king, dead silent. My kids were never angry, slept for even 3 hours, now, one hour and a half. I switched from hybrid to EV because I liked that cars EV mode so much, the engine was intruding, and thought to myself, let's cut that out :))))))))) still searching for my way back. Great reviews, put some of that data in kilometres, at least when you film here. Thanks and keep on experimenting!
I have no need to charge faster than this. I wouldn’t even care about charging if my car charged like this. This is a phenomenal result.
Great to see a legacy automaker really stepping up and competing in EVs! Now if they can bring the prices down they will have a winner.
Agree, except for “bring prices down” and “Porsche” just don’t seem to mix well. 😀
@@georgepelton5645 yeah, premium Germans won't be bringing price down, they add 15 - 20k for EVs
What's with u people and expecting a premium luxury brand like porsche to be affordable to average Joe's. Sorry they aren't tesla with their cost cutting 0 luxury interior and bland exterior. Premium quality and ride quality comes at a price
@@G82Watts Average Joe’s cannot afford a Model S Plaid either, and yes it is relative. The Taycan is a screaming deal compared to all the ICE supercars with their million plus dollar prices, and I assume the new top model Taycan does well against them on the track too. But the more affordable Porsche makes it, the more people can buy one, even if that is just dropping the prices by ten thousand here and there. That is all, simple math.
Jeesh. At 70% and it's still pulling as much power as my Rivian will do maximum. More than my Mach-E will do.
I’ve been fan of Porsche since I live next to the factory when I was a kid, but the engineering in this car is absolutely next level. How can they get charging to work at that level compared to everybody else it puts 63 KWH in battery in 15 mins. Because it’s an 800volt battery it’s going to be able to have a higher charge rate but that’s next level.
well done Porsche 👏
Porsche is definitely pushing fast charging technology ahead as it should. I hope this better charging capability continues to improve while it simultaneously trickles down and becomes available for all BEVs. Also noteworthy is appreciating the actual amount of energy actually transfed and the rate at which it is being done. Pushing almost 400 amps at 800 volt is nothing short of remarkable for reusable connector and a cable and connector small enough and flexible enough that it can be handled (perhaps two hands as you noted) by regular person. We are definitely closing in on recharge times that rival gasoline fill-ups.
Loved to see the Macan EV blow past. Ordered one and can’t wait. Will need to connect with you about using it for testing
I have the '22 RWD Taycan, hoping to get the new dash software. Love that charging display.
I was told that new software is not coming to older models. It's a new operating system. However, I hope some of the features will land, CarPlay+ is the one I'd like to see...
Sadly most of the legacy manufacturers are not delivering newer updates to older cars, even though they have the hardware to support it. I love my EQS but Mercedes is not delivering any updates that even cheaper and less equipped newer (EQ) cars are getting, I'm very disappointed. Even though I'm not a Tesla fan, props to them on diligently updating cars.
@@ani_b there are few reasons why these major updates are not happening. Most important one is the directive about cyber security in EU, which was implemented in July 2022, becoming mandatory in July 2024. That directive basically rendered, at the time, current hardware platforms as outdated. These facelifts come with new hardware that will allow them to implement new directive. Otherwise they would not be allowed to sell these cars in EU.
@@ani_b someone gave you the actual reason for what manufacturers are doing. Something you never bothered looking up despite your constant whining on the channel, and not even a single; "ohh, thanks... wasn't aware, but now I understand", or it's equivalent from you.
The world is ever changing. This is an EV specific ruling, and Mercedes is one of tye only few Manufacturers that wasn't vastly affected by tye ruling as they're easily the top dog in the German space, when it comes to anything tech. Unlike those who have to cease production of older models or some kine entirely in the EU, they can at least still sell theirs. But newer models with more advanced model is required to be able to keep up to date with anything major. If tye older ones do get extra certifications for UN R155/156, then that'll take quite a while.
You'll still get basic updates. You pretty much have the best infotainment in the auto industry and I can't for the life of me even get the point in your whining. No one lost a life when their ICE or Hybrid car wasn't updated to a newer MB NTG version. You already have a version of NTG 7 that's more advanced than the normal one. Basically a 7.5 of sorts, and 8 is only on 2/3 models as we speak. So relax.
@@Awaks lemme get this straight. Your "explanation" for why I should be ok getting no updates on my promised updateable car that cost $120K+ is - it has a higher UX version than others? Do you know these updates go beyond UX? Do you know what the features I'm complaining about are, or how many other EQS owners feel the same? Or that I'm referring to updates that have been delivered to newer MYs of the same model, even small ones that are not dependent on hardware?
Great Video! Always love the EU content!
Only thing that will suck road tripping Taycan in USA is the infrastructure also
Kyle is correct the old car is still an amazing vehicle. Dealers are offering good discounts on in stock models as well.
Amazing performance. Porsche is just so far ahead. It’s funny the old model is way better than new models coming out this year from other manufacturers.
Kyle, I really think OOS needs to do more with a RWD Ioniq 6 on 18s. That car can take in about 47kwh in 15 mins from 10% SOC and is much more efficient than any Taycan.
You can buy one for $32k new, and it could potentially beat Air, Model S and Taycan in a race to Vegas.
Full send, he’ll yeah brother…as a proud EV nerd, OOS is the only place on YT that knows more than me and the big races are hours of fun. Thanks!
Still loving my pre-facelift 4S. Now there's a reason to upgrade when I'm done ...
Kyle, you should ask your dad to show you the one-handed maneuver he developed for charging at CCS dispensers. He has perfected it.
I just pick up the CCS handle with one hand and plug it in my car with one hand because I'm not paid by Tesla to push NACS.
@@nssomething8370I doubt Kyle is either. Nacs is a better design just admit it.
@@daviidfm923 wow, such compelling arguments.
@@nssomething8370 if you have used both nacs connector and ccs it’s like not even up for discussion. Ccs is heavy bulky hard to move. When it’s cold the cables become rocks etc. nacs is light, allows for very high current, same connections for ac and dc, easier to hold, plug in and move about in warm and cold….
@@nssomething8370 why are you so mad about it. It’s not a big deal that ccs handles suck.
Awesome video as usual. Porsche is going to sell a bunch of these. I saw the city of Darmstadt on the dash. Mannheim is near Darmstadt and I lived there as a kid for 6 years in the late 70's and mid '80s. It was a magical place. Again, gr8 vid as usual. 🚗🇺🇸🔌⚡
Less aerodynamic EV’s with great charging as well as more aerodynamic EV’s with less charging capability are judged best if you drive 80MPH. At lower highway speeds when aerodynamics play less of a role some EV’s raise in the rankings because they have better charging than aero. I have immense respect for Porsche’s improvements in this regard. A great road trip EV keeps me at a charger the least amount of time we both agree. Form (aero) at the sacrifice of function is something no one wants. Porsche’s latest design is a splendid balance for many improving an already proven EV! #bravo
I’d like to see Lotus Emeya included the Race to Vegas rematch. Should be able to keep up with the other 3.
The cars you test in Germany will have an unfair advantage since the roads are so nice over there! ;) you must be living the dream being able to test EVs all over the world
No one:
How often do you want to repeat yourself in one video?
Author: yes
One thing Kyle: you can't hold a camera or phone in your hand whilst driving in Europe. Illegal. Just sayin', in case you did not know.
Kyle should do the GoPro on the head like Tedward or MilesPerHr.
lol pretty sure it’s like that anywhere he drives. He just doesn’t care because nobody is gonna report him lol
@@ryanfraley7113Out of Spec does have a POV channel. He did that for the Rolls-Royce Spectre (excellenty done!).
It is the goal of every German to be behind the desk. But it is the fate of every German to be in front of the desk.
@@gavcom4060It doesn't matter if he gets caught. Demonstrating that he methodicallyc disrespects the law and the safety of other road users is pretty unprofessional for a motor jurnalist.
Nice.
When will you do the same with Macan EV?
Great video and what a result!. I would love if it is possible to test the new Taycan together with the old taycan with same wheeels to get the real efficiency improvement of the drivetrain
The "how far" question seems to dominate the discussion of EVs, but assuming availability of fast charging, the real question is charge curve.
I wish all the manufacturers would pay more attention to this.
No, focusing on initial range is the most important. Most people are going to be charging at home, very rarely are you driving more than 250-300 miles in a day. This type of testing is the back to back cross continent 500-1000 mile days someone might do once or twice a year.
It also comes down to age. Talk to your parents, or anyone over 45 and you'll see they almost never do any of this type of driving anymore.
@@otm646 Of course, you buy the car that has the range appropriate for your day-to-day use. But for most people, that would be our used Nissan Leaf with 80 miles of range, which we charge once a week to keep the 12V battery healthy, but don't really need to, for the traction battery.
But the clamoring for greater range beyond the 250-300 currently available, that's not about day-to-day driving, but about travelling, and for that, a fat charge curve and high power DC fast chargers make all the difference, not battery range.
If you have a big assed battery that will go 400 miles between charges, but takes an hour to fast charge, that's more negatively impactful to a trip than a 250 mile car that goes 20% -70% in ten minutes.
@@davesvoboda2785 I feel that you're both right however, I suspect that most people (who charge their EV at home like myself), they will prefer range over charging speed. I feel like My i4 M50 would be perfect with around 100 more miles of range for my needs. I can complete a round trip without having to stop but to be sure, I charge publicly around half the time so I can drive without conserving my range. The current range in decent weather (50F to 90F) is 250 to 270 miles (my average is 3.2 mi/kwh over 15K miles). I rarely drive far enough where the fast charging will be more beneficial and I don't see myself siting in the car for more than 400 miles max.
Bro porsche engineering is insane. They did all this while cutting the wieght of the entire car down. Easily the new EV standard. Only took porsche 4 years. Sheezz
For EV’s I wouldn’t call this the best EV for road trips. I would just call it the best EV. It’s an estate, so it’s practical, good looking and drives well. It is built really well. Only big downside: price and costs. The 4S sport tourismo starts at 150k Euros with decent equipment and uses more electricity than others, but makes up for it in charging. Curious about Bjorn’s 1000km test on this.
Amazeballs! I hope this doesn't come at the expense of battery health.
That Sport Turismo looks SO DAMN SEXY. Wow the proportions and stance on the stock suspension is chefs kiss 😘
OK, Porsche probably makes the best EV's, tbh, when it comes to charging speed and range. But at this price, doesn't really matter for the normal human :))
But to be fair, Porsche was never a car for the average worker. So nothing changed.
2nd hand models are dropping in value like crazy. Someday, one of these Taycans will be mine.
Well duh it's a premium luxury brand. Not a tesla.
This is now a big enough jump for people that hadn't switched to EV before to now consider it. 310 miles range, plus 10 minutes' charging at stops is pretty good.
Absolutely crazy to see kWh get added to the Porsche at about the same rate as gallons in a gas station.
regarding handshake speeds that seemed ungodly slow, even on those janky tritium units. i just did a little road trip from the southeast of the UK to Birmingham, used fastned (with autocharge) and handshake was about 5 seconds
So there is actually a sport turismo version of the new one then? Fantastic. I can go back to dreaming of a mahogany metallic wagon with tan interior.
Will the new Macan have the same charging curve?
It’s a different battery on a different platform so I don’t think you can hope for that. The Taycan is the best they have while the macan is a more affordable option.
One of the cons of the Porsche Taycan from Edmunds. "EV greatness comes at a commensurately great price"
Tesla loser
I would love to see a range and 10% test of the Taycan 4 Cross Turismo with descent aero wheels :) A tip, if you can, show it in km aswell. I really enjoy your videos :)
Other than the Loop-5 parking north of Darmstadt wasn’t „airport parking“, this was an interesting video.
When are we going to stop the rouse that Tesla is the world leader in charging? They’re barely the US leader in charging and the moment the public charging networks get their act together Tesla’s large number of 150 kW chargers and their not great cooling and charge curves on said chargers will get exposed.
Kind of afraid that the Tesla SC layoffs mean whatever 800v cabinet plans they had got delayed. If so, it’d be a huge setback for something like this to really take advantage of NACS infrastructure.
Yeah the NACS story got cancelled - looks like, very sad. I hope that real companies with sane CEO´s will pick up the opportunity and build out reliable charger networks in the US.
#Tesla spending 500 million on charger 2024 build out
Don’t worry he is already rehiring the super charger team. If they still want to work for him
@@davidbaker9943 Really? I did not read that. Not good. Why firing everybody in the first place and think after.
Why should Tesla build expensive 800 volt infrastructure that their cars can't handle?
New Taycan has a 97kW usable battery and at 80mph you averaged 2.5 mi/kW. Leaving for a roadtrip at 100% SOC and arriving at a charger at 10% would give you 218 miles of range at 80mph. 15 minutes of charging gives you at peak speeds basically 160 miles of range at 80mph. So in total, you could travel roughly 378 miles in 5 hours including the 15min charge in the middle and arrive at your destination with 10% again. Your average speed would be 75mph and for a roughly 400 mile road trip it’s nearly identical to a ICE car. Most people aren’t driving 300+ miles without stopping anyways. I know this argument has been played out before with EVs but even with this napkin math and this test shows this car can easily do 400 miles at 80mph just as comfortably and quickly as a ICE vehicle. This isn’t even the most efficient version of the Taycan either! Pretty amazing show of tech.
Running the AC while keeping the windows open is peak naughty behavior. You could have gotten a slightly better result if you had kept the windows closed.
I definitely would consider this as my next EV. After 10 years of Teslas, I’m fed up with Teslas lack of interior and exterior quality, Elon’s nonsense, forever beta FSD, and lack of choices for interior and exterior colors. I’m being kind not to mention a few other issues with Teslas.
Cheers Kyle
How about the Lucid, Tesla and Taycan race in Europe to allow for the 300kw chargers? Lucid available now in Europe as is Tesla.
You should do that comparison long distance test in Germany
Conversions to Celsius would be nice. Great video as always!
Tesla needs these chargers and this curve
in the least, their top of the line vehicles should. no doubt the battery chemistry that porsche is using is more expensive + big overengineered thermal systems. the taycan is like $140k
Yep, asap would be great, they need to step up their charging game. It's not terrible 30-40 mins to get from low state of charge to 80% or higher but this is what these potential new customers need to see to take the plunge into a Ev.
I would just rather own a Porsche such a nicer car.
Correction sir, or madame, "charging plateau"!!! FULL SEND on: the road, bathroom, charging station and road again!
I want to see Race to Vegas with this, Lucid, Model S, and one of the EGMP cars (Ioniq 5, EV6, etc.) since they got 2nd place on the 1st Race to Vegas and represent a much lower price point.
Whenever you get the chance to test the Polestar 4, would love to know if it can actually charge from 10% to 80% in 10 minutes, apparently they teamed up with a company called Charge Dot that really good at charging speeds
If low-efficiency EVs are less impacted by elevation gains, extreme weather and strong winds, it would be reasonable to prefer low-efficiency EVs with high battery capacity, they'd be more predictable on long trips on variable roads.
it is the same with gas vehicles too. A old 460 ford got the same mpg no matter how you drove it 8-9mpg
Depends. Low-efficiency means you're less impacted by wind and weather, but you're more impacted by the charging speeds of the stations along your route. Traveling a corridor with only 150 kW chargers impacts your charge time much more if your vehicle gets 2 mi/kWh than if it gets 4 mi/kWh.
Low-efficiency also makes driving very expensive, especially when paying public charging rates. And, even when home charging, a less efficient vehicle needs you need more amps to be able to finish charging overnight, which, in turn, means a more expensive charger and a greater likelihood of needing upgrades to your electrical panel. Granted, nobody that buys a Porsche cares the slightest about the cost of electricity, but it's still worth saying.
This car approaches charge-up times similar to gas-fill-ups.
45 seconds of charge gets me 8 hours of highway driving-time in my 2016 Prius c Two.
is diesel also "gas! because a fill up of a similar vehicle in diesel version will get you up to 900 miles of range literaly double of any EV.
@@aliendroneservices6621 For those of us who don't use catheters when we drive this car approaches time taken on fuel stops.
@@carholic-sz3qv And you're paying double or likely triple what you'd pay for an EV to go the same distance. Even more if you consider cheap charging at home.
@@fiehlsport most charging is done at home so overall savings over a gas vehicle. Unless you are a traveling salesman or something and EV will be cheaper for 95% of people.
You should try to get your hands on a Berlin build Model Y RWD with the BYD Blade battery while you are in Germany. It has a pretty flat curve at 170kw all the way to over 50% and when plugged in at high state of charge, still goes up to 170 kw for some time. Overall it charges from 10 to 100 in under 30min and therefor often is a better road tripping car than the LR Model y in Europe with the LG battery.
Did you leave the charging cap open :P ? New Taycan is impressive
I want this car so badly
I'm just hoping Porsche isn't pulling a Lucid on us and uncorking the battery pack. I'm really curious to see the degradation in the future.
Really needs to be 5 minutes charging to 80% but the curve is looking very friendly
302KW is pretty impressive. I get around 268KW on my MSP when all is preconditioned, I'm still all in on Tesla. The tech just takes it over the edge
How long doe the Tesla maintain this level for? I have seen on videos that it always starts well but tapers very quickly. What is your experience?
wow, that was wow. I said many times - 15 minutes of charging for 2 hours of driving is ideal. 99.9% of people dont need more.
And that with 2.5mi/kWh. Imagine if Tesla with their 3 mi/kWh efficiency will get 67kWh within 15 minutes! Thats 200 miles.
Ok what is Porsche’s warranty on that batterie and are you allowed on a highway trip repeatedly charge at that speed ? Do you have to interrupt DC charging from time to time with AC charging to avoid dentrit building?
That thing can charge more range in 15 minutes than what my car can go on 100% charge total :-D
How does the New Taycan compare to the Lucid Air Grand Touring?
fast charge rates are great but the public charging network offering it is more expensive than ICE and still takes longer lol
Good job Porsche, but I already can't go to the restroom, walk the dog, get a snack and a drink before my Model Y is done charging. And I paid $53,000 before the $7,500 Federal tax credit and the $5000 Colorado tax credit.
One of the cons of the Porsche Taycan from Edmunds. "EV greatness comes at a commensurately great price"
most people down walk the dog, I get 600+ miles @ 80mph in my 520d and it takes 5min to fill up
@@sender5804 And must not have a woman with you either, LOL. Cause you're be making a lot more 8 minute bathroom stops if you you do. ...... As for yourself, If it takes you 5 minutes to fill up on a road trip, you can't go to the bathroom while you're filling up. You have to stand there. Then another 5 minutes to walk across the parking lot and go to the bathroom. By then I'm 2/3rds to 1/2 done with my charging. As soon as I plug in, I can go do my business. Not really that much difference in time.
@@777Outrigger you don't need to stand 5min, its like 30sec to fill up and the rest to do other stuff
@@sender5804 I know better than that. I've had lots of gas cars.
Kyle, wouldn’t we expect more efficiency? MY25 should be more efficient than previous version. It’s not the case right?
I really want Kyle to do a video with the Mac Master
How much money is the charge cents/ kwh in this ionity. There should be a month card or something. Charge as much as you want for certain price
Nice very nice. Just a shame most of us can't afford it. Only in our dreams.
Same applies to any Porsche, I guess. Would love to have this one, but alas…
sweet car
You'll have to try the same thing with the new EV6 coming out with a 350 kw charger ... for 1/3 the price.
its Kia ... why do you compare it to Porsche
and Kia is 1/2 the price, not 1/3, in UK for example
New cannonball car
He probably will, but has to wait for statute of limitation has run out, in every state he goes through, to avoid prosecution.
Did you forget to close the charging cover? Does it auto close?
Me now wishing this entire video was in German 😂
Nice if they could integrate some of this charging tech into the lowly ID4.
I think it's a matter of time before it does trickle down. There was a time way back in the day when only luxury cars had features like power locks, power seats, and keyless entry. Today, even the cheap cars all have it. It will be the same with 300 kW charging speeds.
How will fast charging affect the battery life ?
YEP THATS THE TRUE =
They said that they made tests with charging speeds that are a bit slower than with the car they released know and it showed almost no degradation, so they increased the charging speed even further
It is Not that extreme you think...they charge with about 3C as Peak...300kw/100kwh...which is already done by others, too. The real improvement is the relative high Level almost the entire charging time.
Model 3 is at 3.2C...250kw/77kwh...but the Peak is very short and charging much slower due to this. They have a really bad charging curve, whereas the new Porsche Curve is relative flat.
@@josefv-y8m I wonder why Tesla keeps the peak short
Are all EV makers using very similar lithium ion batteries? If so, what is the reason some EVs only hold a high charge rate for a brief period, and others charge at a high rate even when the battery is in a mid to high state of charge? Are some EV makers being incautious - or do they have technical superiority that lets them charge so much faster?
My guess is that a lot of the difference comes from the capacity of the battery cooling system. The faster you charge, the more heat you generate, so the more powerful a cooling system is needed to dissipate that heat. Some of it could also be Porsche willing to make sacrifices on battery longevity in order to be able to say that their cars charge faster than everyone else. The type of person who buys a new Porsche is someone who has more money than sense, so they probably aren't too concerned with how much battery degradation they have after 5-8 years of driving, and they'll probably be trading the car up (taking a huge depreciation hit) after 2-3 years anyway. For cheaper cars, such as a Bolt or Model 3, battery longevity is much more important.
What do you guys think is the current theoretical limit charging 15 mins at a 350kW charger? Maybe 400 km/250 miles at 2.86mi/kWh (0.22kWh/km or 0.35kWh/mi)?
So about 158miles/254km with 67kwH, 26kwH/100km so the range would be close to 400km
@outofspecreviews please test Rimac Electric car 🤩
The charging curve is VERY impressive. But I do wonder if Porsche compromises battery (and component) health for the benefit of ramping it up so high. Or put differently: why can't Tesla do the same?
For safety reasons it's a very bad idea to leave a gas pump unattended while filling up. While it may only take 3-4 minutes to fill up the driver is stuck standing next to the gas pump until it's finished. With an EV a driver can plug in and instantly walk into the convenient store to buy a few snacks and go to the bathroom while it's charging. The problem is it's not fully charged in that 10 minute convenient store stop. If it was, you could start to make the argument that an EV road trip is actually faster than an ICE road trip, as you aren't stuck standing next to a gas pump for 3-4 minutes before you can walk into the convenient store. BUT i think we are a long way away from arguing that EVs are better road-trippers than ICE vehicles... as impressive as this result was.
I just wish it was less long and less large. Hard to deal with this size in European cities without a lot of sweat.
Can you do a range test in comfort mode to see how much extra driving distance you get in range mode?
I wish Porsche with just give the Taycan one pedal drive. It’s such a huge advantage in urban driving.
No need for it, I use Travel Assist and Radar for this...ACC just stops behind any car, if it stops.
Furthermore a passenger, my wife😊, hates this, since you get easily moving sick, since coasting is much more natural.
@@josefv-y8mthen it’s badly designed … well-designed one-pedal driving isn’t jerky
Incredible car - probably the best EV - but resale value after only 2 years ?
pls do something about camera quality
Super affordable too! 😂
11:53 - how shoulf an ota update increase the speed on an old chemistry battery ?
This is a completet new car regarding the drive train from battery to engine at least.
and it is a showcase what we can expect too see in smaller cars too and how VW has been beaten with its outdated ID crap of cars.
How does it charge on a 400v charger?
254/(72-10%)=410km, an 18% lower range at 128 kph compared to 501 at 112 kph. How is this not disappointing ?
Insanity... plus as batteries get bigger/more dense, they'll be able to handle more kWs for longer, speeding up charging times even more. Hopefully 800V architecture becomes the standard.
Can we please get a Rivian R1T with such tech?