Setting Rates! with Alex Vanover and Joshua Bardwell
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Alex and Joshua discuss how they set their rates for FPV freestyle and racing. Are your rates too low? Or maybe too high? Sometimes Alex changes his rates for different race courses....
Rates directly define how the drone reacts to stick input so setting your rates correctly is one of the most important things to configure!
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WOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE
Been flying at 1000 degrees / sec with significant Expo and thought that was ok, until I saw this video and thought I give it a try. And yes I never used full travel unless these useless crazy flips, but now with 710 degrees / sec I suddenly fly a lot more peaceful, a lot smoother and a lot more accurate ... 3 laps around the house without crashing ;-)
THANKS, I did learn something today!!!
Haha i flew with high rates for years and the vid's were always shaky and jumpy.. cut my rates in half and now i fly smoothly.. much better videos, looks like im in control !
Awesome video lads.
I'd love it if you made a part 2 of this video and explained each rate and what it does to achieve a desired effect for racing and freestyle.
Hope you you get to see this. Thanks again fellas.
Over 1200°/sec here and I love it.
But I'll give this a try.
I watched this. Did what you said....BAM! world of difference. Thank you.
bryan maynard did you apply lower rate to rc rate or super rate or both? Trying to figure out what they meant as rate sounded like super rates
First I jumped on the sim and just lowered my rates WAY down. I saw the positive difference immediately so I jumped to a quad. Lowered the rates down and left my rc rate and super rate what may be considered just a touch high. I instantly had way more of a locked on and smooth feeling for flight and while I don’t have Mr Steele snaps happening I do have a much more controllable quad.
ok, I trust you guys, am lowering my rates, now that I actually feel I know what that means. Thanks again and again, I have been silent for years but feeling welcomed by the fpv community, I feel like you guys are family. Thanks Josh and Alex, and shoutout to flyhighdudes for bringing it to my attention. I hope y'all stay safe, happy flying🚀
its evident that these guys are content to cruise around without doing very many technical maneuvers
Alex and Joshua touched on something that i think is over looked and that is those super fast flippies rolls etc. Those move suck to watch. They really do. It's my opinion. But if the entire sport was the super quick flippies I would have loaded another you tube page and moved on to another sport. But watching smooth precise moves makes you feel like you are on board. That's what hooks us into this great sport. thats why I enjoy LeDrib so much he has flow. And that is fun to watch. When you watch racers at the pro level they are just flipping through gates at mach chicken it's cool for few minutes but after some time you cant even tell if they made the gates. I super respect what they do and of course this is what is needed to win. But to watch super tight gates not as much fun as nice flow. Now DRL is fun to watch. Thanks for great videos. Your both super pilots and i do enjoy watching you fellows fly and teach me more every day. Thank you
I lol'd when Alex just looked at the cam with displeasure on 300° per sec. Tell em how it is young one
Thanks for this one, guys. Still missing one thing again, as always when it comes to rates: The super rate and expo. Setting up a decent super rate can personalize the stick feel extremely, soften the curve just as u like, whereas the wrong (mainly too high) expo is making the ways of deflection feel like a minefield..
I use a minimal expo for the exact middle and very small control on tight areas. And super rates at about 1.70, soften a bit but not too much.
Still I will try lower my 1100° / sec. and look once more what happens. Growing skills make the super rate less useful.
Sry for the ramble attack xD
Custom Taranis curves can make you look like a superhero. I keep my roll and pitch rates at 1200, but it doesn’t happen until the last outer 5% of stick deflection. My quads fly like 700s until the stick hits the plastic. Tons of resolution and predictability, but also the ability to snap a roll/pitch 180 with a quick tap.
I used to run 1100 deg/sec but, after watching Alex fly at quad camp and talking to him about it, I reduced my rates to 800, because I realized it made my flying a lot smoother and my flips and rolls were just as snappy.
Good discussion guys. Lowered mine from 1000 to 800 and I think I like it! Feels smoother with better precision in gaps, but then again I've been flying about 8 months so still got my training wheels on :)
Have to agree with playing with rates. I just finished an Arc-1 build and wound up and lowered my race rates a bit and I immediately noticed a difference. My freestyle rates I started lowering a couple months ago and I think I’m around 850 right now. So much more control.
I messed around with rates on a sim until I found something I like.
I recommend to everyone to try these rates, whoever has has told me that they are great.
1.6 / 0.65 / 0.22 for freestyle (~900 degs full stick)
1.6 / 0.52 / 0.22 for racing (~500 degs full stick)
Basically gives you the ability to both be snappy and smooth center stick. Absolute control of the quad.
Same here, I would play with rates and actually rate the rates... ie: this set of rates are good for craving, this is good for snapping, this is buttery, this is good for yaw maneuvers... So on and so on... I've probably been through no less then 30 variations on rates and then putting them on a 3 position switch on my real quad to see which one I liked best kept doing this till I found what works for me.
Now as a result I can fly almost any rates out there and in under a pack make them work... May not feel natural to me but I find it pretty easy to switch if I need to.
@@ugpfpv361 I've flown other people's rates and generally it takes me a pack or two to get used to them but it's not that hard. Sure I can't do tricks that involve muscle memory but I can still fly the thing decently.
One important thing I forgot to mention, I keep the rates on all 3 axis the same, which I think is important.
That way I can scale my rates faster or slower easier.
@@le_ti_lik yeah it takes a second to get tricks down with rates way out from what your used too just basically have to learn where the stop limits are ie: if someone gave me a quad with 1700 max dps there's no way I would go to the ends of the stick, most of the problem will come from too little expo, but I'm used to that.
I've tried having all 3 the same but just doesn't feel right to me.. Maybe if I was down to 800 on all three it wouldn't be too bad.
I kind of go with the Kabab method of rates, start with what you think should be a full roll/flip and work your way back from there.
Oh, nice flying by the way!
@@ugpfpv361 Thanks man. Yeah, Kabab method was how I did it too. Full deflection to what feels like it should be half a roll, then go from there.
@Joshua: I am using Betaflight to find my rates. I find it very odd no one has ever mentioned that BF is actually showing the maneuvers exactly on the PID review screen if you connect your radio. I spent hours dialing in the muscle memory by using this method. I started off by finding out my comfy full end stick speed then I changed my numbers accordingly to finish on a half roll every time (for normal flying - most recently Vortex has suggested the same while coaching Chad) or to finish the exact same move with a full roll - for fast acro. I then set the two sets of rates and change it in OSD when needed.
I fly 630 most time and like it very much.
I’m off tomorrow from work and currently/ironically I’ve been running Steele’s rates for like 1.5yrs, but will try setting p,&r to 700, and y at 600 and give 5 packs a go:)
And, what you say after these 5 packs?
Started with defaults (660?), moved up to ~1000 and actually increased it to almost 1500 with high expo a while back. For racing it's way too high, but I like it. Definitely think it's a good idea to try different setups though, I'll have to play with it in the sim with some courses.
You guys should do more of this video style. With different people on the crew, like one of you gets a topic and you interview/ convo on it for 10 minutes. would be a good way to generate relevant content. even though its not flashy. you could also do one like Versus. , where you have a mediator get comparitive/contrasting opinions from two pilots.
That is really interesting and helpful. Thank you!
I have found that Ive felt more comfortable with high rates because I don't feel comfortable with full stick deflection. Perhaps this is my problem? I like to pinch the sticks, but my index finger rides the sticks rather low, so in full stick deflection to the top, my index finger bumps into the radio, which I don't like. Perhaps this is what needs to change, when I pinch should I be doing it with my index finger at the top of the sticks? Or maybe, just maybe, I should stop pinching entirely🤯
Would having different rates for roll and yaw make co-ordinated rolls more challenging?
No I don't think so.
How about maxing out the rates and setting the expo >0.90 , or just playing with the expo to find you sweetspot?
This just creates an unusable, unpredictable section of your stick travel in my opinion.
@@JoshuaBardwell I'm not noticing this issue in Liftoff with an expo of 0.92 (I tried some other values around that, but so o far that seems to be the sweetspot for me). But to be fair, I'm not exactly the best pilot out there, so maybe the issue is more noticeable when much faster reaction times are needed than what I'm used to, or maybe my own limitations may be masking it or something. Can you think of some test I could perform that would highlight this issue you're describing?
how could I change the DJI FPV controller to lef handed in lift off?
I lowered my rates...
I FLY Ricky Bobby FAST now
shake n bake
I wouldn't say I'm Ricky Bobby fast, but definitely more accurate and faster, but my flippy floppy action is hindered🤷♂️
I have been flying 1100 for awhile. going to try this
I see high rates being used by FPV pilots with no line of sight experience and also those who use hi-bred thumb finger control. They don’t realize they are missing out on the resolution of full stick control. I’ve even seen small rings installed on there radio sticks so they don’t move sticks past half throw. Good video! Does beta flight have a dual rate ability where I can have two rate profiles on a switch?
at 9:25 I'm not entirely sure what bardwell means. He keeps his yaw rate lower so that he doesn't have to fully deflect yaw to the side? Did he mean to say he keeps his yaw rate higher? Just wondering if I'm misunderstanding. Thanks
how come you guys don't explain rc rate an super rate an how they effect center also
1000, and i will not change it. i like how i can turn myself upright or turn in any direction i want in a fraction of a second. also the sound is great. that iss full deflection. i have a high super rate to get good resolution thoug
aahh, why are you only talking about the stupit absolute value the rc rate or linear vs non-linear is the elephant in the room
okay i just decreased the rate and increased the super rate even further and got so much resolution in the mid throttle range, i like this much more. good that i watched this vid :)
You should also do a video about PID’s guys
so basic and yet so important ,,,this means that I am far too high for the way I actually want to fly 😄
Thanks guys ..😉
How old is the captain?
I’m a newbie and I found Steeles rates on UA-cam at like 1600 and I’ve gotten comfortable with them on velocidrone. I’m curious to see how it will feel at 1000
i thought 720 was right for me, (.5 second flips seemed right) im a newbie and sure i was able to pull off flips LOS, but going into the goggles terrified me. After messing around with really high super rates with tiny RC rates, 200 with .75 expo is what I was running in the sim, and was a lot more confident. feels incredibly slow LOS, but low rates FPV are totally doable if you use the whole stick (was using a Dual shock 4) 400 with .75 expo is my base now, and even though rolls are slower than id like them, going higher than 400 just loses too much control. Really wish I could use Betaflight actual rates and Betaflight controller on my SPRacingF3 board, but yeah.
450 on roll 350 on pitch 250 on yaw... feed forward 55..... expo 20 on roll
What's feed forward?
@@mehulanand8623 search it on bardwells channel there is a video for everything there lol
I use low rates and felt like a pansy until this video 😂😂😂 I run 540°/s on all axis
Next video, ‘how to adjust rates’ 🤣 that is what I will be learning today
Yeah man check out Bardwell's rates videos. also Le Drib and Stingers Swarm have some good ones.
Jon Clay thanks man 👍🏽 always appreciate being moved in the right direction
I'm on 667 deg/s and i fly f330
Yooooo. The camera work on this is so shaky. If you're going to go handheld can you at least use a gimbal or stabilizer of some sort? Better yet a tripod for that wide shot would be great. I'm so interested in this vid but I'm getting so distracted by the camera moves.
I lowered my rates to 100., flys great., just like a DJI haha :p
lol your comment and your thumbnail picture are precise.
Fuck yeah lol
I'm going to do that too. I'm a newbie, I hate my mantis 85, because I can't seem to get used to it. I was told to learn on Acro, but it's just too difficult
@@dame5014 Get a sim. It's how I learned before flying my quad
@@upplsuckimcool16 lmfao I’m dead bro!! 😂😂😂😂
I'm right around 1000, but you guys convinced me to drop them some. I'd really like to see a part 2 look at super rate, expo, etc and how to balance all those.
yeah me to 👍
Try this docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-6cyl0YVOvHhW2Qh7BW016jJcsB8NCuDEwEOaTnUH44/edit?usp=drivesdk
Yeaaa but what combination should we use with RC and Super rates?
Nice video, but how the heck can you talk about rates and having too little resolution in the middle without talking about expo?!?!
I know!!! The whole time I was waiting for them to start talking about expo. Im so tired of people only focusing on Max roll rate. Max roll rate is only a small part of the equation.
i know, im running high rates with a far bit of expo to return fine control to the middle.
Yeah they seemed to equate both into one.
I actually don't think JB likes Alex and I think he knows it and in turn doesn't really care for him either. So it was more of a quick discussion on the absolute basics.
@@streetzfpv 300 degrees per second is 300 degrees per second. The weight of the quad doesn't matter. Now if your gear can even get that rate is a completely different thing and setting your rates higher changes nothing.
@@streetzfpv I think you're confusing PIDs with rates here. A properly tuned quad with enough power will turn at 300dps if that's what your rate is, that's the whole point of having a PID controller. Different weights on your quad will cause different flight characteristics but it's down to available power and the PIDs, not your rate settings.
Why nothing about expo and super rates?! 🤪 😅
yeah i asked same thing to my self
This video was great and very helpful! Another thing that would be incredibly helpful to discuss is how rates/super/expo should be relative to each other, for both racing and freestyle. It would be fantastic if you could do a part 2 about that. Thanks for the great information!
Love the vids, been watching you guys for a while. your the reason i in to fpv
It's like mouse sensivity. Fly with what you feel comfortable. I just fly default rates. They work perfect for me.
I always played black ops with max sensitivity and pwnd...
Why change that strategy now?
My favourite racing pilot said 450 so 920 to 450.... Bye high rates
Mehul Anand I would drop 100 a week or so
Nah bruh go to 450 then bump from there. Dropping 100 a week and you waisted over a month then still need a few packs to get used to 450 lol
Happy to see RR address this. In the past year, educating and working with other pilots on finding THEIR rates has been my biggest topic. So many people blindly follow what they see other pilots doing (Steele, for instance), but lack the ability to maintain proper control at these rates. Likewise, they have a tendency to focus on the motions at the end of the sticks while forgetting that MOST OF THE TIME you are living in the mid sticks, not the ends. Great video!
Something nobody talks about.....take all the super rate out for racing. Super rate is a very unpredictable spike in the rates through the overall stick travel. 1.9 on RC rates and .30 on all expos. That’s it.
Yes, thats a good topic for a part-2 of this interresting talk. Some words about "elbow-rates" and what the experts use for expo and/or superrate.
You completely omitted expo and super rates arguments, sadly. Also pinch and thumb: there's a huge sensitivity gap. Usually thumbers fly lower rates "a priori".
I know! The meat to these small potatoes
need some S&P on it son @@anti-popfpv4638
Great topic for a followup. Mostly, the inspiration of this video was Alex and me both saying, "Everybody flies too high rates, don't you agree? Let's make a video about that." It's not intended as a total primer on rates.
@@JoshuaBardwell This might help: erikspen.github.io/betaflightratestuner
It is crazy that you all talk only about full stick deflection speed without talking about small and medium stick movement sensibility. Check this table and you will understand this misconception docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-6cyl0YVOvHhW2Qh7BW016jJcsB8NCuDEwEOaTnUH44/edit?usp=drivesdk
And sticks, hands and sticks..
If you`re the kind of guy that doesn`t like going full deflection on the sticks, or maybe have smaller hands, higher rates and some exponential could be nice.
Some radios I`ve used, getting to full stick made me loose grip and control, so ergonomics should be considered IMHO :)
Maybe that`s just a given from the beginning, but thought it worth a mention.
Yeah, I fly higher rates with some expo because I prefer not having to deflect the stick fully (especially on YAW for some reason). It's just more comfortable for me. I'll definitely try experimenting with lower rates though.
What about expo? And rc rate vs super rate, I don't think it's as simple as just degrees per second. Am I wrong?
dial in the rates first, then add expo if you need it
Super has built in expo
Here are 4 config of rates that all are at 667 deg/sec at full stick, but TOTALLY different "in the middle". That demonstrate that "full stick" information does not represent the "global" sensibility :
Rate 1 ; Super 0,7 ; Expo 0 = 47 deg/s at 1600 ; 111 deg/s at 1700 ; 667 deg/s at 2000
Rate 2 ; Super 0,4 ; Expo 0 = 87 deg/s at 1600 ; 190 deg/s at 1700 ; 667 deg/s at 2000
Rate 0,7 ; Super 0,79 ; Expo 0,5 = 15 deg/s at 1600 ; 36 deg/s at 1700 ; 667 deg/s at 2000
Details here :
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-6cyl0YVOvHhW2Qh7BW016jJcsB8NCuDEwEOaTnUH44/edit#gid=1499834563
750° on pitch and roll and 650° on yaw is where I’ve settled on for now.
Good video guys, really helpful information.
It was a total game-changer. Dialed my rates back to around 400 on pitch and roll, and down to 300 on yaw, and the precision is out of this world! My quad's handling has gone through the roof, and I'm smoothly slicing through my old records. Upping the expo to 0.70 added buttery movements - it's all about that silky, precise control now. Totally in love with the flight feel! ✈🎮
I agree, buttttt just add expo. You omitted that fact Steele uses .28 expo on roll and pitch, and .12 on yaw
I agree, they should make a follow up video talking about expo and how it effects things.
Agreed, just running lower rates but far less expo would not get you any smoother... And if this was supposed to be aimed at people just starting out....
This video assumes that you have an expo curve that you like, and simply encourages you to reduce your max rate while leaving expo alone. This video is not supposed to be a 100% primer on rates, although a followup discussing expo and S.rate would be great.
@@JoshuaBardwell oh ok. Thank you
@@JoshuaBardwell yes it's almost necessary now.
we need to use more points along the rate curve to express rates, not just a max: I would say, what are the rates at 25%, 50% , 75% and 100% deflection. A single max value is not informative, nor are expo and super rate settings. It'd be great if rates at these deflections were just spit out in BF configurator...
I disagree. If your rates are over, let's say, 900 to 1100 dps, I don't think you will get the max control and precision, no matter what your curve is. The max rate is the place to start, in my opinion, then adjust curve beneath that.
@@JoshuaBardwell Lock at the table and try several values. You will see that you can set a same max dps, and have totally differents sensibility at 1600 and 1700 depending on the expo.
@@JoshuaBardwell maybe, but most people spend most of the time well below ~50% stick deflection, so when people pass numbers around and say "my rates are 1000deg/s", it's meaningless without knowledge of their rates at 25%-50% stick. all Im saying is the max rate doesn't describe how it's gonna feel to fly it, but I certainly agree that most fly with max rates higher than they need.
Julien TOUREL exactly. How can a single number adequately describe a complicated curve? The answer is it can’t, and even 4 numbers as I suggested is less than a perfect description of the curve, but it can help to know whether the first 25% of stick deflection will give you 100deg/s or 250deg/s.
@@PIDtoolbox yes. I agree. I tested a lot and I conclude that small and medium movements are more impacting the flight style. I had to first find those 2 values before finding the full stick speed
I feel totally under-represented because I don't fly linear rates .
They never covered RC EXPO. which would really help a beginner. i wish i knew about when i first started. BOT GRINDER would say “FLAT-FLAT-BOOM”
Agreed. I always do this in 2 steps: drop rates so i can fly nice and smoothly, then add expo and super rate to bring my full stick rolls and flips back up to speed. Best of both worlds.
i was always told not to mess with PIDS or rates(with my racer mentor)so, i learned ACRO on stock pids. it wasn’t easy with my newbie “shaky thumbs”. 🤙
@@eucfng rates are something completely different than pids.
Drew Loika
that is true Drew. i have been flying FPV for almost 2 years now and i still don’t mess with PIDS since i am not that good of a racer or freestyler. i probably wont be able to tell the difference. Rates and expo would probably help a beginner with shaky thumbs like me🤙
@@DrewLoika which is proly why he said PIDS or rates.... indicating he knew exactly that.
Great info! I'm just getting into the hobby and haven't done to much adjusting pids or rates or really anything on the software side but I'm slowing getting a solid understanding of it all because of videos like this. Thanks guys!
Thank you for the Help :) 👌🏼✌🏼👍🏼
I have been running Shaun Taylor's rates for 2 years now. Great explanation of why rates matter so much. Thank you for sharing the best tip to the core of flying FPV
Heh, I bought a quad off of him, forgot to change rates. Yeah, same effect. Absolute wholesale change, within 24 hours I had moved the rates on every quad I owned (settled on 500/500/260 for now)
Hey rotor riot! I rate this video 😂👍👍👍 nice topic!
I super rate this video
@@DjOlidang 🤣🤣🤣👌👌
Lol My Yaw rates are about 1200, pitch and roll is like 1600. Hahahaha🤣🤣🤣🤣 been flying this way for months. But I'm going to try lowering them
Richard Gilmore hell Yeah
Maybe I’ll actually play with my rates and stuff now! Awesome video, guys!
Lots to think about! I’ve always just ran defaults (except when Jon tuned my Nova)
@@LittleStellarFox oops I edited my comment with all my rates (I had a slight mistake that I fixed) in case you took a screenshot.....
1018 degrees here for 3 years ,been trying to knock my expo down a little bit from 30% to 25% recently to get more centre stick sensitivity and feel a bit more linear
I have pretty high rates I guess, 1133 I think og pitch and roll, default on yaw. I add expo though. If I lower the rates I just can't fly right. But I guess it's just a a lot of practice to lower it without feeling the drone is "wrong".
I found a good rule of thumb for freestyle was to tune your rates so that a full stick flick would result in 180° rotation on that axis for pitch and roll. Yaw, I tuned a little less based on feel
Basically like sensitivity in gaming
As I've always said it's not your max dps, its how you get there.
Which is why I wish the developers would give use more options on where the break point of the expo curve is.
Also I'm glad not everyone has low syrupy rates sometime when watching I actually start to daybreak or fall asleep...lol
I have recently upped my rates to 940 on pitch and roll. I feel less confident with these changes.
My rates was in the high 700's before. I am getting more used to it now, but it still makes the flying less comfortable and fun.
But i though most good pilots ran higher rates. So i was thinking i might as well keep on practicing with higher rates than i am comfortable with.
I think i will turn back the dial a bit after watching this.
when talking about rates.. are you guys thumb or pinch folks?
This is very important. Depending on how you hold your sticks definitely influence rates and expo.
Yup started with 1200 deg/s and dropped to 780 deg/s about 6 months ago. This video confirms what I thought. 👍
Josh & Alex have great on screen cemastry together.. hope to see more dueits ..
9:15 you say you lower your yaw rates, to reduce stick deflection. Surly that would do the oppersite, because more stick travel would be needed to compensate for the lower rate to get round the turn .
You're right -- that's backwards :-)
I experimenting with rates last 6 months since i was start to flight with 5 “, and i found that when i have all rates RPY same it is best for me, because i often change cam tilt and it is easier to control to me when my rates are same,and FF transition is very important, That is my personal opinion, i will put my rates if someo one want to try, for me is most natural feeling
rc rate: 0.85 s rate: 082 rc expo : 0.20
for all RPY
R FF80
P FF80
Y FF100
FF transition 0.11
I limit my trothle 90-95% on scale
I therm relax RPY ( setpoint)
That is for all my quads and they all flight same.
If someone would try these, please tell me what you think.
Chameleon is my every day quad and it has 2400kv motors on 4s
FC and motors softmounted
Cam tilt 25-30 degree
BF 4.0.3
Pids and filters little tuned
my yaw is P 60 I 100
Gyro lp1 130
Gyro lp2 off
Dtherm lo2 off
Okay everyone that just puts up their max dps rates... These numbers don't mean a lot without tor super rate and expo number!
Exact
Well, I disagree. If your max rate is 1800 dps, I don't care what your expo curve is.... that's insane. You're basically losing 1/3 of your stick travel to the uncontrollably fast rotation, and I doubt you can move the stick fast and precisely enough to do a snap half-roll or whatever.
@@JoshuaBardwell your welcome to disagree, you may be right I've not tried it.
@@JoshuaBardwell JOSHUA... JOSHUA... I'm calling you out! j/k
So did a pack at 1800 dps, actually had more resolution to over 75% of stick travel than what I normally fly, sure first full stick roll I was upside down kind of close to the ground but corrected and crushed around threw in at least one more full stick roll , did a powerloop and a tree got in the way, but would have completed it no problem... so well yeah I would never fly with the end points up that high but everything below about 80% was nice and smooth... plenty of resolution.
This is a helpful episode I can't wait for the tips of Alex vanover on racing
just waiting for the Zoroe chat show edit! with canned applause and stuff!
"lets say your rates are 1000 degrees per second"
*_(everyone turns to the camera and says in unison)_* "your rates are 1000 degrees per second"
Mine are on all my quads, I only freestyle and I have pretty much got the muscle memory down for the snap flips & rolls at full stick deflection, the lower stick resolution makes smooth 'swoops' a challenge, one that I like.
Joshua is doing the Merkel pose at 7:37 🙌🙁 and then he explaines the german precision. 😄
I'm trying vanovers rates next time I go out
Use to be high rates but was too jittery and just couldn't accurately go where I wanted, knocked them down to 566P/566R/500Y, been flying those ever since👍
Low for the win..I run around 660 all axis
BF4 stock is 667 for all which is what I have been running since upgrading. I could be convinced to go lower and try fully deflecting
This is kinda old but I never saw it. I wonder how this applies now with newer beta flight rpm filtering. Should I still give lowering my rates a try. Honestly I nvr even touch or look at rates. I put my drone on stock from the factory and send it. I bet if I start tuning rates I’ll be a beast...?
I will try to lower my rates. Had 350 on my TinyHawk and could not make a roll. Increased to 900, roll is not a problem, but I am not hitting the end as I want to - so I'll follow the advice.
What is the problem when you up your rates and it doesn't affect it at all. I have a brand new quad that is super slow on pitch and roll. It doesn't matter how high I set rates, it doesn't speed the pitch or roll up. HELP!!!
Same applies to video games. Lowering your sensitivity drastically increases accuracy.
Yes but you are death before u can aim.
Sir to fix the rates to 700. What should bd RC rate Super rate cobination? Which one should we increase? Iam confused
I understand what they're talking about, but here they're talking about the rates like "degrees per second". One number for pitch, one for roll and one for yaw. But then I look in the settings in Liftoff (which is presumably similar to Betaflight etc?) and it has RC Rate, Super, Max and RX Expo! And nothing that looks like a degrees per second value (or maybe max is that degrees per second?, but no units are specified). So this is really unhelpful. These rates are curves in each case, not values. Is there a helpful video to explain this?
Was pid tuning and dropped from 2000 deg/s ...to 1000 deg/s. Fly a lot smoother, will try 800. thx
currently at 700/700/500 .... i might after hearing JBs yaw and throttle argument up my yaw a little so i can hold low altitude while tryiing to smoothly half yaw to vaniroll more smoothly so im not worried about blipping so hard that im 12 feet above grass. ill probably lower the the 700 soon again but i just like the sound the of the zip zip zip whenver the kwad is super close lol
Biggest issue I have with this video is the lack of discussion about the breakdown of rates ie: rc rate, super rate, expo. You cant just say lower your rates. Why not go more in depth about what each does. Which you should change and why. Both RCR and SR change your end values. So which do you reduce? Expo or no? So much that isnt covered....
My rates: Roll 1000, Pitch 1000, Yaw 963, with 40% Expo on all Axis.
Unpopular opinion, pinching the sticks allows for more accurate micro-movements on the sticks. I feel pinchers prefer higher rates because of this. I also find trowing the sticks around to the limit easier with thumbs. (For context too, I am using extended sticks and pinch the controls)
Cool tip with the stick travel end, but imo there are further very important things to be added here to get the whole picture of setting up rates - that's for example pinching vs. thumb drive, controller type/size in conjunction with hand size & adjustable sticks (height, input resistance, spring back or spring load) - in my experience when I have started as a thumb guy I had much lower rates because I think I wasn't able to pricisely control higher numbers. The other side was that I was however able to use the whole stick travel in my Taranis Q X7, so the lower numbers were more suitable for me at that time. Then I have reached a point in which I realised I want to be able to make quicker turns but not have to give up precision. I decided to force myself to pinching. At the beginning it was strange for me even looking at someone pinching. It seemed to me pinching not to be natural, because I came from Playstation & Xbox into FPV as most of us do, I think... I took me a week to get used to and BOY it made a difference ! I was easily able to manage +300-400deg./sec. and fly tighter the line. For me having two points of support is far better than only one which is shaky. I know it's a personal thing, it's not for everybody's taste, but for me it definately helped to progress. Talking personal I want to point out the second thing , which is controller type/size to hand size - I think it makes a huge difference having a correct chosen controller to your hand size (general palm size and finger lenght). I have however noticed that even having better overall experience by pinching (higher rates + better precision) my Taranis Q X7 is somehow handicapping my resolution. I have noticed that I am not able to reach the end of yaw right and roll left because the Q X7 is quite wide for my hands. I am therefore looking to step over to X9D which is narrower, to get the finger reach back. The adjustable sticks mentioned at the beginning are the best upgrade you can do to your rig. They provide you really with the last step of fine tuning your input. All the above comes down to setting up the rates in the end. It's a personal thing like a proper bikefitting is for a rider on a bicycle, it's a wrong way to take for example Mr. Steele's rates, because they are his personal "Taylor made like" numbers. It's also not properly to assume that racing pilots normally fly 400-600deg./sec. and for acro 800 to +1000deg./sec., it's personal like PID's are for a Quad. It should be set very low at the start and worked up in small increments as a pilot progresses. Phew... just a couple of additional words on that topic... Cheers!
no offence intended... I thought your shirt read "swingers swarm" for a sec, the funny thing was I wasn't that suprised, I thought "must be a bando thing" On that note, can you guys make a video about the most sketchy or random bando moments, Im sure you must of had plenty of them
Humm - logic error at about 9:30. JB says he doesn't like to have the yaw stick deflected all the way, as it messes with his ability to control throttle, so he decreased yaw rates in software to mitigate? Should go the other way. If you want the same yaw rate at 75% stick deflection that you originally had at 100% stick deflection, then you need to increase the yaw rate in software.