I turned BF rates to max and learned something profound

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    00:00:00 - Let's take "rates" to the limits!
    00:01:10 - Real quick: what are rates?
    00:01:45 - I'll be using linear rates (no expo or curve)
    00:02:33 - Easy: 300 degrees per second
    00:04:03 - Weird: 100 degrees per second
    00:06:21 - THE MINIMUM: 10 degrees per second
    00:09:31 - I can do this: 900 dps (linear no expo!)
    00:11:36 - THE MAXIMUM: 2000 degrees per second
    00:13:05 - The profound thing I learned
    00:13:54 - The power of expo curve!
    00:18:34 - Conclusion

КОМЕНТАРІ • 315

  • @TheEviling
    @TheEviling Рік тому +380

    What i learned from this video is that rates of 100 is good for learning how to fly. And rates of 2000 is good for learning how to build quads :)

    • @lixxfpv
      @lixxfpv Рік тому +6

      😂👌

    • @skatamartin4970
      @skatamartin4970 Рік тому +10

      @@lixxfpv the perfect comment does't exi- wait! this one right here

    • @Daniel-xg8el
      @Daniel-xg8el Рік тому

      True😂🤣

    • @Sir_Hubris
      @Sir_Hubris Рік тому +2

      😂🤣🙃'build, fly, crash and repeat' hahaha briljant thought M8 ¶ ; - )

    • @pandrews01
      @pandrews01 Рік тому

      good one

  • @phildawe7172
    @phildawe7172 Рік тому +27

    I like how this experimentation takes the mystery and fear out of tweaking the settings. - I used to be afraid to touch anything once I was content with my settings. This was just good ol' fun!

    • @tk-maker
      @tk-maker Рік тому +1

      yeah, newbie here. recently I try to set up 4 to 6 difference profile at 6 position switch. never try never know.

    • @rudypoirier7793
      @rudypoirier7793 Рік тому +2

      Same Phil.

  • @stevealbin8257
    @stevealbin8257 Рік тому +19

    This literally is the most informative tutorial on the impact of rates. Totally awesome. I'm going to revisit my rates.

  • @captainthruster9484
    @captainthruster9484 Рік тому +133

    This is what makes this a unique hobby. Years and years into it, a UA-cam channel based around it, this guy's entire life is fpv including his income. The last 30 seconds of the video he had the most genuine joyous laugh. What other hobby can do this this far in? I'll wait

    • @SCFPV
      @SCFPV Рік тому +18

      Not many, if any, can compare to fpv. The range of emotions alone keeps me in it. You'll have the most joyful, intense, relaxing, frustrating, blissful, angry, nervous and awe inspiring wallet busting time of your life with fpv, with all those emotions hitting at the same time. Wouldn't trade it for anything. 😁

    • @ramus9
      @ramus9 Рік тому +3

      3D RC helicopters.

    • @ramus9
      @ramus9 Рік тому

      @@SCFPV That's what all my buddies airplane guys said about their hobby, same thing my other friends the helicopter guys said too lmao.

    • @overdosed51
      @overdosed51 Рік тому +8

      Ehhh... have you ever owned/worked on any classic cars? 🤣 You'll get the entire range of your emotional spectrum in the first week I promise

    • @ChainsawFPV
      @ChainsawFPV Рік тому +6

      @@overdosed51 Nick you hit the nail on the head. Classic resto is one of my longest hobby (job?). 30+years now. While I have said some bad words in FPV, nothing brings out the best in a person like a broken bolt in a impossible area. Lmao

  • @vizzieizzy
    @vizzieizzy Рік тому +22

    Honestly I think I learned more about rates with this fun video, than with one of your bench videos (no offense at all) love to see more of this style. When you see the extremes of something it helps to understand what the fine tuning can do. Great video

    • @zedex1226
      @zedex1226 Рік тому

      For real. I don't even fpv. "Just" camera drones. And learned a ton about setting up those mode switches for different use cases in cinematography applications.

  • @ifyoueverwondered875
    @ifyoueverwondered875 Рік тому +7

    You should totally set up some races where all the best flyers race at the lowest rates lol. It would be interesting to see the different lines they take

  • @dusti25
    @dusti25 Рік тому +29

    i love all of your content but the videos when your out in the field making adjustments to the quad are my absolute favorite. This was such a good video!!!!!

  • @Hahahe568
    @Hahahe568 Рік тому +3

    “I don’t like linear curves at all”~Joshua Bardwell 2022😂

  • @ericcoker8784
    @ericcoker8784 Рік тому +4

    This experience/experiment needs to be a "must watch" for newbies like my self. I understand scaling of throttle and expo! My helicopter experience has taught me much, but this is awesomeness!

  • @chilloutfpv991
    @chilloutfpv991 Рік тому +4

    I know you did this video just for fun but I actually learned more about rates than any other video has ever explained it

  • @filippinoflipfpv1380
    @filippinoflipfpv1380 Рік тому

    Love how much you love doing this!

  • @argyleskyfpv461
    @argyleskyfpv461 Рік тому

    Awesome video Josh. I cant wait to try this!!!

  • @Adam_Carbone
    @Adam_Carbone Рік тому +3

    Loved this video, was genuinely fun to just sit down and watch! Appreciate the testing!

  • @MactacFPV
    @MactacFPV Рік тому +1

    This was a really fun video. Thank for sharing :)

  • @spec4echo
    @spec4echo Рік тому +1

    JB this was a really great video. Good test of the left and right rates, and you answered something I always wondered about but never did! Keep it up!

  • @djovanimiok3487
    @djovanimiok3487 Рік тому

    As usual in your videos I learn something !!!!!!!! Thank you for for the time and great video. You talked about rates in many of your videos, but this one is definitely the final cut.

  • @kloudfpv
    @kloudfpv Рік тому +1

    bwahaha, i was dyeing when you dropped the rates super low! great F*%king video Bardwell!

  • @dystopiannoise6782
    @dystopiannoise6782 Рік тому

    Awesome idea and video!

  • @TheFlyingDutchmanDronePhotogra
    @TheFlyingDutchmanDronePhotogra 2 місяці тому

    I’ve just gotten into FPV and absolutely love your videos, especially your Learn to Fly an FPV Drone! Thank you Joshua!

  • @mattwilson1305
    @mattwilson1305 Рік тому

    I really like your content man. Thank you

  • @greatscottfpv2420
    @greatscottfpv2420 Рік тому

    That was the funnest thing I've seen on UA-cam this year. Well done and great work buddy

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Рік тому +2

    You know, Joshua, it's going to be interesting a month from now... To see how this experience changed your rates!

  • @leodfpv4628
    @leodfpv4628 Рік тому

    Loved it bro that was awesome 😎

  • @BengalCatChilli
    @BengalCatChilli Рік тому +3

    max rates! max fun!

  • @sammarple9443
    @sammarple9443 Рік тому

    Loved the video a very learning experience

  • @RCDUDEFPV
    @RCDUDEFPV Рік тому

    Great explanations of rates, Thumbs up

  • @armandrone9016
    @armandrone9016 Рік тому +1

    That was really cool, I laughed a lot here. Your reactions were very real and fun, I loved it!!!!

  • @BenadrylBillFPV
    @BenadrylBillFPV Рік тому

    I think I've watched this video 10 times in the last month! Love ya JB

  • @koltongrundy2639
    @koltongrundy2639 Рік тому +3

    I need to see 2000 degrees per second LOS!! 😵‍💫😂

  • @robinkonings1728
    @robinkonings1728 Рік тому

    Wow this made rates and expo sooooo much less complicated! Thank you JB!

  • @cyberoverkill5844
    @cyberoverkill5844 Рік тому

    Good vid, lots of chuckles had

  • @P8FPV
    @P8FPV Рік тому +1

    This was a brilliant video showing what rates and expo do 😁👍🤙

  • @IanBeaty
    @IanBeaty Рік тому

    This is definitely one of the best Bardwell videos I have seen, and I have seen a lot! And I definitely learned something from it!

  • @babyzfpv1234
    @babyzfpv1234 Рік тому

    Thank you for teaching me about rates
    Joel

  • @NikCification
    @NikCification Рік тому

    I subbed man! You seem like a very cool, nice, humble guy! Look forward to watching more of your videos. I actually plan to buy a DJI FPV drone at the end of the month! Very much looking forward to it.

  • @RCRitterFPV
    @RCRitterFPV Рік тому

    Good stuff,
    enjoyed watching you learn :)

  • @tylerelliottFPV
    @tylerelliottFPV Рік тому

    This was a fun video. Much appreciated.

  • @fpvgivy
    @fpvgivy 3 місяці тому

    Great Video!

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Рік тому +2

    The beginning of the video made me remember the first time I tried to fly (in LiftOff, of course, you always need to start in a simulator). I just crashed, and again, and again, and again... And I just couldn't stop laughing! 😂
    Thanks, Joshua!!!
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @zfpv7211
    @zfpv7211 Рік тому +3

    This is surprisingly fascinating. I have never thought about testing the extremes 😂

  • @elishahodgson1635
    @elishahodgson1635 Рік тому +2

    This is exactly what I did 6 years ago in the freerider sim to figure out which rates I wanted. I ended up settling around 1100deg/sec and never looked back!

  • @615thAeroSquadron
    @615thAeroSquadron Рік тому

    Thanks Josh..I have had a blast changing from one rate to another....Its actually made my quad even more fun to mess with. Now I must charge ALL my batteries up...fun stuff

  • @rudypoirier7793
    @rudypoirier7793 Рік тому

    Hey Josh, even an ole gizzer like myself can learn about rates when You demonstrate them in a video like this one. Don’t let this compliment mess with the rates in Your head, but,,,,,man Your Good! Lol Blessings Joshua,,,Rudy 👍👋🇨🇦

  • @justfly7730
    @justfly7730 Рік тому

    Best video I ve watched for a long time.

  • @Flumphinator
    @Flumphinator Рік тому +2

    And today, sbang was born.

  • @jeromeassauw6147
    @jeromeassauw6147 2 місяці тому

    Definitely Learned Something today 🙌👍

  • @stupiduser6646
    @stupiduser6646 Рік тому

    I’m flying FPV for customers and this was the exact lesson I needed. Flying indoors cinematic this is excellent information.

  • @GoochiFPV
    @GoochiFPV Рік тому +1

    Basically Skitzo's old rates at the end haha!

  • @AmericanSmallArms
    @AmericanSmallArms Рік тому +20

    Just like the Feds... Higher and higher rates! 🤣

    • @leukota
      @leukota Рік тому

      Fun fact: If you are against the fed, you are by definition a Confederate

  • @GrimSpeedFPV
    @GrimSpeedFPV Рік тому

    This was cool!

  • @notsure1502
    @notsure1502 Рік тому +1

    Elbow rates in 22 like its a new thing

  • @ZorrotorFPV
    @ZorrotorFPV Рік тому

    Watching Joshua Bardwell laughing made my day :)

  • @johncarold
    @johncarold Рік тому

    Hi Josh Great video on your BF rates. I just have never played with my rates, but I need to start learning how. I just fly with what the quad came with. The Mother-in-law house is looking great. LOL Thanks again for the video and information.

  • @tk-maker
    @tk-maker Рік тому

    this is the best test ever with lots of fun

  • @brianbutcher7409
    @brianbutcher7409 Рік тому

    The Low rates created a super cinematic effect on the video, smooth transitions are pleasing to the eye, could be useful technique for CineWhoop pilots to consider.

  • @RandomMiscShit
    @RandomMiscShit Рік тому

    And this video has taught me more about rates than any other video

  • @CLMcrawlers
    @CLMcrawlers Рік тому

    Nice experiment...👍🏻

  • @kibbycabbit
    @kibbycabbit Рік тому +2

    Haha I can’t stop laughing. I mistakenly set mine and got myself triple barrel roll in less than half a quarter second. I really enjoy seeing JB experiencing it. 😂

  • @James-ch7un
    @James-ch7un Рік тому

    Defiantly learned something. Very good video of how rates control the quad without me just banging some numbers in and crashing.

  • @scu-dub
    @scu-dub Рік тому +1

    I'm just super impressed that you were even able to straighten the quad back out with the high rates lmao🤣 I would've been rolling left and right all the way to the ground 😂

  • @dominicpsn
    @dominicpsn Рік тому +4

    i did the same thing before in Liftoff with the max/min rates out of boredom and for laughs. but this is great to see in real life, i was always curious how accurate it would be..and its pretty accurate to the sim. thanks for taking the risks 🙃

  • @RakishRc
    @RakishRc Рік тому

    Awesome video! Fun and experimental. I'll try and play with the rates to get my hglrc Veyron 30 cinewhoop fly better hopefully 👍

  • @Bluesmurfpilot
    @Bluesmurfpilot Рік тому

    Sure, interesting, educational, learned something new, but the JB laughter though, priceless.

  • @cantigas1990
    @cantigas1990 Рік тому

    That's why I pay internet! Man your laught was so nice and happy 😁. Nice vid mate really funny to see... I don't even fell the time passing by.

  • @FlyZoneFpv
    @FlyZoneFpv Рік тому

    😂😂Good one JB 👊🏻👊🏻

  • @slaughtercarterfpv1336
    @slaughtercarterfpv1336 Рік тому

    Each day I learn a little bit more about this hobby

  • @mohamadkatmawi8015
    @mohamadkatmawi8015 Рік тому

    The laughs at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just pure joy 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @sunshynff
    @sunshynff Рік тому

    Great video!! Not only was it entertaining but it gave me a great tip. I just finished my first 6" build, it's main use will be a chase quad, we have a small midget class track nearby, but I also film local downhill long board skaters a couple times a year at competitions and for fun. Was trying to decide what rates would be good to use, but after seeing this, I won't be afraid to tune it down way lower than I would have before. I mean there's turns in down hill skating, but it's not like an F1 track, it's pretty straight with casual curves. Thanks again!

    • @JoshuaBardwell
      @JoshuaBardwell  Рік тому

      Bear in mind, the faster the quad is going, the faster you need to be able to turn, if only to suddenly slow down or swerve to avoid a crash. I'd always want to give myself maybe 500 dps at full stick for emergencies even if center stick was much lower.

  • @KCQuadTronX
    @KCQuadTronX Рік тому

    god i love it i cant quit watching

  • @wlajanek
    @wlajanek Рік тому

    Dziękujemy.

  • @jesselopezdrones4396
    @jesselopezdrones4396 Рік тому +1

    I gotta try this very interesting outcomes. 🤔

  • @somerandom3247
    @somerandom3247 Рік тому

    this video really shows off your skill.
    I have given different rates a go and crash out a lot.

  • @JoshDisher
    @JoshDisher Рік тому

    I'm so glad I discovered this hobby at a time in my life where I can afford to keep breaking stuff...
    (I'm finally flying 100% in acro and feeling comfortable flying proximity anywhere there aren't moving people)
    I'm super stoked at my current ability, but I've destroyed SO MUCH STUFF to get here!
    I actually have several "cringe" moments that even now scare the shit out of me!
    The worst of the worst was when I created my own parallel charging setup for 3x 1500mah 4s batteries...
    Thank God they caught fire right away instead of 10 min later when I was planning on going upstairs 😅

  • @Sir_Hubris
    @Sir_Hubris Рік тому +1

    I ♥ low rates and low (0) expo... and yes for cinematic filming! ¶ ; - ) great video JB!

  • @TheDro
    @TheDro Рік тому

    haha loved the new challenge of slow rates. they should make a slow race for drones like ive seen with motorcycles.

  • @ReggieRailSystems
    @ReggieRailSystems Рік тому

    Kemosabe, you know, I learned some interesting changes to incorporate in my dual camera Andy Shen Geyser Camera drone. Turning my rates much lower than I thought anyone would sensibly go actually made some inside building shots far better than my mini whoops for indoor use. Yea, I learned something here big time.

  • @gus8378
    @gus8378 Рік тому +3

    I use a low rates mode on an AUX channel to land precisely

    • @TheVeganarchism
      @TheVeganarchism Рік тому

      Any chance of a tutorial? That sounds like a great idea.

    • @gus8378
      @gus8378 Рік тому +2

      @@TheVeganarchism These are my rates and switches setup.
      Acro Mode:
      Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s
      Roll 0.50 |0.71 |0.20 |345
      Pitch 0.60 |0.71 |0.20 |414
      Yaw 1.30 |0.32 |0.15 |382
      Landing Mode:
      Rate |S. Rate |Expo |Deg/s
      Roll 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240
      Pitch 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240
      Yaw 0.6 |0.5 |0.6 |240
      Throttle limit (scale): 60%
      Throttle middle point: 0.7
      Throttle expo: 0.5
      Air mode: off
      The Yaw on the landing mode is the same as pitch and roll, but it feels much more reduced than the others compared to our usual Acro mode rates. That is meant to provide more control and stability, and it's better to line up the quad with the place you want to land while still in acro mode, before activating this landing mode.
      Also notice that there is a 60% throttle scale, also to provide more precision and altitude control, so you have to quickly move the throttle up a little bit as you activate this mode. You also have to tune the throttle MID point to match the throttle needed to hover, as this is different in every quad.
      Turning Air Mode off on Landing mode is so that it won't bounce off the surface you're landing on. This way you can just reduce the throttle to land, instead of having to disarm before you touch down like we do on Acro mode.
      It takes a bit of practice to get used to it, but not much. You can see some examples of me landing on my car roof at the end of my GEPRC Phantom videos on my youtube account.
      (There is a Bardwell video explaining how to set up different rates profiles on AUX switches)

    • @TheVeganarchism
      @TheVeganarchism Рік тому

      @@gus8378 Thank you so much!

  • @Gosuminer
    @Gosuminer Рік тому +6

    For years I've flown rates that aren't too far off your 300/2000 experiment, mine are 300/1440 and it is totally possible to nail 360° snap rolls/flips with a little practice. Very low rates are a valid choice if you don't intend to ever go upside down ("Mavic mode") but you would have to combine this with throttle expo (or Lidar support) to help with height control for smooth footage.

    • @FastSloW-qt8xf
      @FastSloW-qt8xf Рік тому +2

      Haha i run stock 670 on everything and it flips and rolls just fine right off the ground. To fast of rates id think wouldnt look to nice on camera.

  • @DaSkatesta
    @DaSkatesta 8 місяців тому

    Youre like the VSauce of FPV lol! Thanks for the info!

  • @georgeaura
    @georgeaura Рік тому

    Ok that was awesome

  • @donh7654
    @donh7654 Рік тому

    Joshua, awesome as always! This is really good for beginners, to know how to dial in the rates on their first drone and also on a simulator. I really don't know why the simulators don't have a beginner set up after angle mode. Also having a mix with the yaw and roll. Then slowly reduce the mix when the beginners get more proficient. Getting time on the sticks is so important. I'm just learning to fly drones. But I've been flying DC planes for many years and you don't put a beginner in a 3d flier. Just doesn't work.

  • @kevinanderson1096
    @kevinanderson1096 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for this tutorial on beta flight. I am just learning this but now understand rates. Lol you got me laughing

  • @gqp4800
    @gqp4800 Рік тому

    Helps me understand

  • @Charlie_Waffles
    @Charlie_Waffles Рік тому

    Quality content 😂👍 so fun to watch… ^^ so 2000deg/s looks a bit like Mr. steeles Style of flying 😂

  • @wearemany73
    @wearemany73 Рік тому

    Okay, this is the ONLY fun, enjoyable way to learn about rates. I've got to mention how beautiful it was at JB's place. 🌞 Ohh God, I'm such an old man..👴

  • @pacificnorthwestpilots6050
    @pacificnorthwestpilots6050 Рік тому

    What a great thumbnail 👌

  • @eddycurrent413
    @eddycurrent413 Рік тому

    good one bud

  • @karl244
    @karl244 Рік тому

    9:30 Only works with calm conditions. If there’s some wind you need a certain amount of control.

  • @wesley4713
    @wesley4713 Рік тому +2

    Ok but can you put your rates on a dial so you can change them in flight? Not sure why’d you want that but.. can you? 🍻

  • @lambo_drives
    @lambo_drives Рік тому +2

    wonder what maxair420 rates are? thing that make me think hmmm.... thanks for playing, Joshua

    • @SunriseWaterMedia
      @SunriseWaterMedia Рік тому +1

      As Max would say, "rates suck!" Lol

    • @lambo_drives
      @lambo_drives Рік тому

      @@SunriseWaterMedia 🤣 i's just bein' punny, you's just bein funny

  • @sandersassen
    @sandersassen Рік тому

    Bwahaha, this is comedy gold, I love it when people challenge themselves and try stuff way out of their comfort zone!

  • @LourieJacobs79
    @LourieJacobs79 Рік тому

    Stress testing that battery strap with G's!

  • @fritzprints7182
    @fritzprints7182 Рік тому +1

    I sense that you really might be onto something ~ I’m just not sure what!

  • @survivealiveofficial4056
    @survivealiveofficial4056 Рік тому

    I like my rates up near 900 with 60% on my expo...gives me the response I want for freestyle, and the smoothness for cruising.

  • @jakepickett3685
    @jakepickett3685 Рік тому

    That's great for science probably the only person to do this on purpose

  • @MrNitro468
    @MrNitro468 Рік тому

    Great video Joshua! Glad to see you got some goats. What breed? We have French alpines

  • @Strelinc
    @Strelinc Рік тому

    Hah, that's fun!

  • @elMuele
    @elMuele Рік тому

    Tak!

  • @smika710
    @smika710 Місяць тому

    that 10 rate looks like you are recording the perspective of a bug

  • @captainthruster9484
    @captainthruster9484 Рік тому +2

    I guess we all learn a little differently. I understood rates because it's obvious. I probably watched 10 videos on expo and couldn't seem to grasp it. This video which is not based around expo at all explained to me in a way that made sense for a non-rocket scientist type like myself. Jb, helping noobs through osmosis

    • @SCFPV
      @SCFPV Рік тому

      Same here. I had an Aha moment at the expo part. Good stuff.