There really doesn't need to be more than 3 apex predators. Rex for brawling, bonebreak, and pins/grappling Giga for bleed, pursuit hunting, and wearing down opponents and Spino, a semi-aquatic tank with robust arms for grabbing/drowning The Isle's roster already has way too many redundant dinosaurs as is, but if I had to add another carnivore, I'd make it a sub-apex along the lines of Sucho and Acro, like Maip.
Fully agree, there should be 3 apexs focusing on different styles, the issue is that none of the species play that different besides the status the give, it would be cool if the combat was more varied, like if Grabbing was even an option
I disagree. Carcharodontosaurus could be introduced as solely an apex hunter that does more damage to other apexes than smaller dinosaurs. You could also have a specific diet for them made up of other apexes, which includes herbivore apexes like camarasaurus, trike, apatosaurus, etc. They'd have lots of HP and can take more damage from apex dinosaurs than practically everything else. Of course this would only apply to adults, as the younger ones could eat everything else.
This, I agree with everything said. Each carnivorous apex would fit their niche perfectly. Unfortunately Carch wouldn’t have much to differentiate itself from Giga, Rex, or Acro even. It’s just a smaller Giga and that’s probably how it would be played as if it’s even added.
I honestly think this would work better. Not to mention with how coltish the Isle community is, they could easily make the skins with micro transactions. Edit: why da fuck did Isle get auto corrected into Royal!
If Carchar is supposed to be fast apex, why not Giga? + Why is Rex again so fast? Its gonna be broken as f*ck again 4:17 i would probably also choose some large megaraptoran Since Giant abelisaurids are basically carcharodontosaurids but lighter and megalosaurids are basically tyrannosaurids before tyrannosaurids So, megaraptorans would be best pick probably
@@orinaoz8686 and which ones u mean? Like, there is Titanovenator (literally largest abelisaurid) that have it this way and also Abelisaurus Then there is Rajasaurus that yea, have more robust skull BUT For Pycnonemosaurus, giant moroccan abelisaurid (from Kem Kem Beds) and São Paulo abelisaurid (from Párana formation) we dont have skulls
@@roguetheoutlander8800 i meant different from the allosauridea, abelis had a short snout and a high degree that its low jaw could open to, resulting in theories of hatchet biting meaning not as high bleed potential. too tired to continue
@@orinaoz8686 I'm sorry but the 'hatchet bite theory' is retarded. Why the fuck would a predator slam it's upper jaw down on something, risk breaking it's lower jaw, lose a shit tonne of teeth in the process (I know they could just regrow them but temporarily losing your only way to eat is kind of bad) when they easily could just bite their prey like basically every other jawed predator to exist. There are no benefits to hatchet bites over normal bites.
There are so many other prehistoric animals that would be worthy of adding unique playstyles. A mid-tier ankylosaur, koolasuchus, carbonemys (I would die for a large, predatory river turtle in a dinosaur survival game.) Instead, people want a doppelganger giga.
I have always disliked the idea of carchar, it’s just giga but uhhh it’s just giga actually. Maip would be such a fun and unique playable tho, I wish we had a megaraptor
Ngl Torvosuaurs would be so cool in the isle, I'd love to see how they'd handle it, its such a unique dinosaurs and the king or late jurassic europe, deserves more recognition fr.
My idea for it was a mechanic where it slowly crushed the bones of its prey after grabbing it as it progressively applied more and more pressure to whatever limb it is grabbing. It could even inflict a special kind of bone break from it.
I can see Concavenator overlapping with Dilophosaurus, but it can have some original play-styles like maybe a pack hunter like modern lions? Or even a really bad diver that only stays in the waters to ambush things above, but i can see that getting outcompeted by Deinosuchus
@CarterHofer also that could work, its so annoying that little Carcharadontosaurids/Allosaurians get overlooked or ignored because "they're too plain/tiny" when they can have one of the best and funnest play-styles
The isle doesn’t need like 70% of its roster. People don’t understand that roster bloat is just objectively bad for the game and that you can’t just make every creature unique through “niche partitioning” lmfao.
100% agreed, since they have a growth system, they really can just reduce the roster of playables now and have the rest be CPU's i would say good playables should be different from 1 another, if they are SET on having the 3 largest theropods be playable then i think the playable carnivores should be . Tyrannosaurus . Giganotosaurus . Spinosaurus . Utahraptor we really don't NEED the mid carnivores if the apexes are mid carnivores 1/2 way in, plus it allows you to gauge your progress, if you can take on an allosaurus then you might not be strong enough for an acrocanthosaurus
I think there might be a lore reason for the big apex carnivore roster. We can't forget about the strains. For a company building monsters like the hypos, it would actually make perfect sense for them to resurrect carchar if they already have the others as well. Game design wise, idk. There's still multiple ways to make an unique apex. If giga is to bleed and rex it to maul then perhaps carchar is to be high stam endurance hunter. Something sneakier and more sinister. Not as fast as giga, not as strong as rex, but something that will keep you running till you exhaust yourself to death. If I had to add a dinosaur it would be coelo. If it could be an amphibian, as we do not have those IN ANY of these games it would be prionosuchus. Big salamander, high speed, perhaps with toxic mucus.
I always thought of charchar as the Luigi to giga's Mario if that makes sense. Basically the same animal with slight advantages and disadvantages in certain areas. If they add it as that I won't really have a problem with it. I think alberto is actually the problematic one if anything. It's basically meant to throw it's weight around and suffocate animals. This really doesn't make sense for acro when animals like rex and giga exist. How are you gonna do that to animals that are basically you but bigger? It should have stayed as the chunkier allo in my opinion. If I had to add a new big theropod it would either be maip or tarbosaurus. And yeah tarbosaurus has the same issues as acro and sucho of being a discount apex but I say if sucho can work then the other two should as well. I think either all of them should be in the game or none of them should. If you're going to make a pseudo apex tier, you should at least flesh it out so that those animals have more matchups in their size range.
People are completely ok with playing a copy and paste of classes so long as they look even ''slightly'' different from its counterpart, even tho we all know they're not going to stick with them and soon as something just as OP comes along they'll switch to it. All people want to do is bloat the roster like you said and have about 100+ classes when only 9 are probably going to be played lmao. They just want The isle to be like POT. Also I agree, a giant raptor species would be much more better since it'll probably be able to jump, something that giant therapods can't even do lol.
omni is based off of a bigger estimate of utah raptor which is among the largest dromeosaurids. if u mean megaraptora, then the biggest one, maip was only about double the heigh of a person and probably wouldn't be able to square up with the isle apexes as it evolved from lower in the food chain to a relative apex position due to the absence of competition
@@orinaoz8686 We dont need anymore apexes, apexes should be rare and on their own, each species having at least 4. Carnivores have Acro, Giga, Spino, Deino and Rex. Herbivores have Stego, Theri, Anky, Shant and Trike, Omnivores possibly having Deinochier as their one and only apex to semi apex. Personally I think the Devs should focus more on the little guys because they're far more fun and have more interactions with the rest of the roster. All those classes I named above are all the same in one aspect, they cant jump, they cant climb...They all might do different tricks, but their anatomy is almost all the same were they're severally limited in their freedom. (Lets see any of those big chunguses jump lol) At least with a hefty raptor, maybe it'll still be able to jump and be flexible, giving it a lot more options and interactions with the environment.
@@kitkat5596 the medium size class is bloated to the point where the devs thought magy should be inedible to fit in so u might wanna rethink that thing with "focusing on the little guys". anyways i never said there should be another apex, i just thought thats what u meant
@@orinaoz8686 Ya the game needs more little guys, if you think mix packing and overpacking is a problem amongst the small ones, now imagine a bunch of apex tier creatures mix packing with each other, the Devs can't do anything to discourage this type of behavior so why should they make it worse by giving everyone semi to apex level creatures? The game is already frustrating enough with the current apexes, I rather not see people get their hands on more in the Officials. I dont care what options they give players in Unofficial servers, so long as they make them AI in Officials.
Carcharo would be fine only AFTER they add all the other dinos we've been waiting for like allo, sucho, giga, spino, rex, acro... you know all the fellas from legacy, and after that in my opinion they can throw in any dino to be honest as long as it's somewhat balanced, but wrapping this up, even if they add Carcharo that's gonna be YEARS of waiting, realistically we need to wait atleast 5-7 years before they add "all" the dinos from legacy in evrima, idk what i'm rambling about, have a nice day lol
I was saying 5 years ago rex would be in the isle by now so i think it will take a LOT more time to have all that wait for 10/12 years and if ur alive u will play with carcha!
As some other comments say, adding it as a skin / echo for the Giga is the best way to go, but even then, adding species for the sake of adding them it's just a bad idea. Legacy already had that problem with overlapping niches and having more carnivores than herbivores Edit: Based megaraptorian mention
I think this and the roster bload issue in general can be solved by making certain extra playables only avalibile for community servers, like Carcharadontosaurus itself, also God I hate typing that name I wish I just copy pasted from the video title. Anyway, maybe they can give Carcharadontosaurus a more realistic design so people who don't enjoy the crocodile like armor and tail of the Giga can go to a community server that has Carcharadontosaurus enabled and play it instead. Edit: Also yea I agree a 5 ton Maip would be a better option than the Carcharadontosaurus.
Would prefer another abelisaur or a large raptor to more super-carnivores. Really though, they should make more use of the the tree climbing system they have. An anurognathid, drepanosaur, sharovipterygid, scansoriopterygid, or microraptor would be nice. And of course, anything to make the coast and oceans more lively is welcome.
if i must add an other large/apex carnivore it would either be maip (more unique anatomy and attack pattern possibilities) or chilantaisaurus (bigger than maip, light build so probably fast, and longer arms than carcharodontosaurus, also super underrated theropod)
Honestly? i still think carch should be added... but! Instead of making it, its own playable new mechanic and all. How about just have it be a reskin of giga and have it locked behind and achievement for growing a giga or wtvr? I think it would be and neat reward for the player for growing said dinosaur and it allows the devs to add more creature variety to the game without needing to put in as much work towards said creatures! like if they did go with this they would be able to cut down the roster and add some new species they couldn't before like Purussaurus, edmont, lambeo, geosternbergia, and ect under the terms of being reskin options for deino, shant, cory n ptera! edit: tho ofc if they were to do this they better save it for after the main roster is done xd
Sad to see charcar getting in this situation ow it’s the third large charcarodontosaurid in the game and it’s on a be overshadowed af next go giga and acro and I do not wish such a thing to happen to my boi
Maybe they should open up the Isle for modders. Since that's the only reason why PoT has a Megaraptor and this has allowed the community servers to get such an impressive roster of playables. I mean yeah, some of the modded creatures are broken or unnecessary, but thats why server owners can pick and choose what mods they want and don't want.
I’d just remove charchar and call it good. I’d also replace acro with torvosaurus if I had the say, and have it keep the same playstyle. Let modders bring in Maip, they could probably bring it in quicker and bettet
Torvo would be such a nice replacement, I can see it being better suited for the whole grabbing and choking thing since it was so built and its largest specimen to date being 6 t would place it in that nice semi apex range. But if they don't add it I will have to hope a modder when that eventually becomes a thing adds it to the game. I'm also Torvo biased because favorite carnivorous therapod
I would honestly like to see something like a saurophaganax. Its big but not that heavy and more on the agile side. basically a bigger Allo. It could be used as an ambush predator for bigger carnivores like rex. But honetly i think the build of an bigger allo would be quite unfair in the roster. Things like cera would just be an easy meal and it would be pretty unbalanced so idk
@Alluucard allo is a grappler, giga is not Now that I think abt it tnay makes the concept of Saurophaganax worse considering it'd hybiridize giga and allo in playstyle and invalidate one of them
I also had an idea for Maip for the isle (tho I came up with the idea of replacing Alberta) make it a fast assassin type, good speed but because magaraptors are known to have used their arms for killing than their mouth make it able to slow down prey with their grapple (using their mouth) on the run and then have their claws be able to inflict massive huge dmg once the prey is slowed down/ low on stam with its piercing claws. also, an idea I had would be a stance similar to the Ceratopsians where Maip can sidestep attacks and to try and get a better hit in. (tho I wouldn't say I like this idea as much as the other one)
If i could add a giant terrestial carnivore in the game i would most DEFINITELY choose an animal like Barinasuchus, Barinasuchus would basically be the medium sized Pseudo apex that specializes in pursuing its prey for a long time until its prey runs out of stamina, once its prey runs out of stamina Barinasuchus just pounces on it like a modern day feline and also grapples it like one. This Play-Style would make Barinasuchus a small/medium game pursuit predator and thats something unqiue from the roster we havent really seen, and obviously Barinasuchus should be able to outrun most of the apex predators, if it cant then it just uses its stamina.
well...by this logic a lot can be just thrown away... why do we need dible when we can have trike? why alo , cera and carno when we can just have alberto? (or in any other order...) why barionix when spino is on the way...? why sarco when deino is already here..? and so on...got the point... the more - the better, that's all as long as they simply keep their game QUALITY the thing is we/they don't need to choose...as far as i know there is no limit of characters what they can build / add so why not?? just add it who likes it to play - go ahead who don't - well, just ignore it
idk why but i would add yangchuanosaurus, i just like the idea of making it a fast and strong apex capable of bashing, shaking, tearing and holding onto flesh like a huge pitbull
I agree with removing redundant dinosaurs from a game driven by diversity of class and abilities, but I don't think the inclusion of Charc would hurt anything either. Charcharodontosaurus would be basically just a faster Giga, he is lighter and smaller than Giga but bigger than Albertosaurus, where as Giga would be a Titan Hunter Charch would more than likely be a plains roamer. Most of the apexes it would have to contend with would be Rex and Giga, while having spaces to avoid Spino and Deino. My take on it would be, in order to keep Charch fresh without introducing basically Sub Giga or Sub Rex, give it a charge bite similar to Cera. Normal bites do normal damage and decent bleed, but charge bites can basically stack bleed and damage much faster. Instead of a loud snarling indicator, you'd get an open jaw display and low rumble. Could also give it an alt-mode like everyone else is gonna get, but instead of it transitioning to a challenging spar, I'd say it should transfer into an adrenaline based movement. You move faster but at a much higher cost, and whatever stamina you use in this adreno mode you take a little long to get back. It's sort of an investment, a trade off for either running down prey that's just outside your movement speed or for escaping something that's hot on your butt, at the cost of you are far more vulnerable when you are done with it. IDK, maybe I'm just biased towards Charch and want him to get a little more love, I know he's not gonna be a well fitting archetype in the set of "The big 3" but honestly I don't think he needs to be in that group. He just needs to be a fun experience, which in all honesty most if not all Dinosaurs have fallen into this category already in Evrima. All the big Dinosaurus are vulnerable until they hit 50-75% than you feel like you could take on the world. Other dinosaurs are fun for mobility, moving around the map at blistering speeds, some have fun mechanics like Teno, Dilo, Herrera, Beipi, Troodon, Galli, Ptera, and Hypsi. And every other Dinosaur (except Dryo til he gets his burrowing mechanics) has a unique sort of mechanic and playstyle that makes them worth the hours you waste on this game. So that being said, I don't think it will be too much different with Charch, he'll sort of fall into his own Niche like Acro and Alberto will.
I'm sure the devs have an idea to make carchar unique; It's too early to judge as is. Maip, in the meantime, is.. what, a big omni? What's the big point in that? The apex bleeder is already decided, and you just want to suggest adding a mini-acro.
I remember having a vague idea I came up with for some mechanics to give CharChar if they are absolute on adding it (kills me that my fav dino just adds to the bloat). iirc was something like, CharChar would be the more stealthy focused one of the apexes. It'd have a normal bite that wouldn't give much bleed damage (certainly lower than Giga's) and perhaps being the weakest apex bite overall. But, in return it'd have a recharging special ability to imbed teeth into prey that'd break off and remain in the animal to give much more bleeding or maybe some made up special effect as it either moved and/or struggled. Also thought maybe having it be one of the more faster apexes but that'd be op probably. Basically just playing into the name of it having shark like teeth ig. It'd still be part of the bleeder niche unfortunately but would hope the mechanics and playstyle could give it some reason to play over others.
"Dondi can you add Chawcawrodontosawrus to the game Dondi it's my favorite dinosaur Dondi I would really like it in the Isle Dondi :0" Edit: If you asked me to add a big Theropod for the Isle, I'd have to go for Titanis. Not sure if it's big enough but that's really the only variety of Theropod I'd really want added at this point. Though I am probably not gonna play the Isle anymore unless something wild like that happens so I am kinda biased
Maip would be really cool lol. Imagine the maip a fast semi apex who uses its speed and long arms to claw grapple and slash prey. But Maip definitely isn’t really apex tier. It’s more Tarbosaurus, suchomimus albertosaurus tier and not really apex.
The issue with the isles roster is that none if them stand out, you are either walking around starving to death or you are clipping through each other biting until 1 dies, an then you die of blood loss It needs to reduce the playables and aim for more stand out options, like who the hell actually plays as a sauropod in this game? Not EVERYTHING should be playable
The only way i see Carcharo work in the game is as a variant for the giga, with different stats, model and some new abilities, a system like this would be cool to have, but that should not be thing to focus, the other playables should be focused instead. My replacement carnivore would be Yangchuanosaurus, but if i had to add a total new dinosaur would be Gigantoraptor.
They could add it in a way that you can not choose another of them. They could split the creatures by region that they lived in and limit the amount of dinosaur species that have to contend with eachother Having 2 dinos with the same characteristics together (weight strength abilities) just seems very unrealistic as they would have fought and one of them would have gone extinct
okaayyy but like Carcharodontosaurus is my favorite IRL dinosaurrrrr I also dont play the Isle but I guess a better way to add Carcharodontosaurus would be to add more sauropod variation for example: having Amargasaurus / Nigersaurus at the bottom and Alamosaurus (my beloved) or Brachiosaurus at the top also i do like the idea of Carchar being a "jack of all trades" having the speed of the Allo, but not as fast having a bite force similar to the rex but obviously not as strong and being uh, whatever the hell Acro and giga have
Even though Carcharodontosaurus is one of my favorite dinosaurs, I have to agree with him, we don't need Carcharodontosaurus, there is already Giganotosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus, simply their niche, it was already taken
1:02 I actually disagree with this because we have protoceratops when avaceratops is right there ava can still use burrows its just a better proto and styracosaurus there's nothing that its going to do differently only that it just has one horn it's still gonna do bleed
I know this MIGHT not be a great idea but becs TI community is just so humble and loving towards other people's opinion..... I think carcha should be an apex SCAVENGER, think about it having a cerato on steroids would be SICK (ofc with some distinct features) AND it could have a unique trait where its hunger depletes far quicker than most apexes and a unique bite that cera has but different
For the Maip I can see it being able to grab other big dinos and limit their movement as you can bite and they have to wriggle free. Could be a fun (but hard) thing to add in
another thing with megaraptors, current study suggest they are tyrannosauroids. so basically, one lineage of tyrannosauroids picked arms over mouth while the tyrannosaurids picked mouth over arms. pretty interesting honestly
Such a good point. Adding carcharodontosaurus is like adding saurophagonax. Like carchar, it is very similar to another dinosaur and has no need to be in the game. Especially because of the fact that The Isle roster is oversized enough as it is. Nice video, and it's good to see you back again.
@@dead_clownx4697 I mean considering how "consistent" the devs are for developing their dinosaurs. Yeah... it's a pretty oversized roster. At least for them. I don't really mind it but they are adding some unnecessary dinosaurs like carchar when we already have giga, spino, t rex and even acro.
Something we need to take into account is that Server owners are going to be able to pick and choose between different species for there servers. I think the animal souly existing in the game will allow server owners to build specific real life ecosystems like the Kemkem beds. The animal won't be playable on Official servers anyway so simply having it exist as an animal to choose for your server I can get behind. Let's say you want to make a server where everyone plays as an animal from a specific fossil bed like for example the kemkem fossil beds. Playables would be restricted to the animals that lived there, Paralititan, Ouranosaurus, Spinosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus etc. I think simply having the option of that species to choose to have in your server is fine, if a server owner doesn't like it being in game just don't let people play as it. Another option is that it could simply be a cosmetic choice where it functions the same as a giga but you just play it because it looks a bit different
Bro, you’re right I don’t know what they’re gonna do with it but if I could give it an ability to make it special, I’ll give it ability that could rip meet chunks from other live dinosaurs, but it will cost half of your stamina
Lemme pitch my perfect roster (38 playables). Deinonychus (carnivore) Koreaceratops (herbivore) Oviraptor (omnivore) Dilophosaurus (carnivore) Pachycephalosaurus (herbivore) Utahraptor (carnivore) Kentrosaurus (herbivore) Heterodontosaurus (omnivore) Ceratosaurus (carnivore) Allosaurus (carnivore) Irritator (carnivore) Tupuxuara (omnivore) Torvosaurus (carnivore) Stegosaurus (herbivore) Diplodocus (herbivore) Styracosaurus (herbivore) Parasaurolophus (herbivore) Pachyrhinosaurus (herbivore) Nanuqsaurus (carnivore) Sinotyrannus (carnivore) (or Maip but Sino also maybe had a crest so it's cooler) Fasolasuchus (carnivore) Gigantoraptor (omnivore) Lurdusaurus (herbivore) Carnotaurus (carnivore) Chilantaisaurus (carnivore) Quetzacoatlus (carnivore) Triceratops (herbivore) Tyrannosaurus (carnivore) Ankylosaurus (herbivore) Giganotosaurus (carnivore) Spinosaurus (carnivore) Shunosaurus (herbivore) (or Nigersaurus but shuno is cooler) Camarasaurus (herbivore) Therizinosaurus (herbivore) Deinocheirus (omnivore) Tenontosaurus (herbivore) Magnapaulia (herbivore) (or shant but im biased for Magnapaulia) Deinosuchus (carnivore) I also have abilities for all of them but writing them all down would take forever.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx I could just write down some of my favorites here so more people can see them. Torvo could grab parts of its target's body with its jaws and begin biting down to slowly crush the animal's bones. My idea for how to maintain this is that the Torvo would need to press LMB as a line passes through a green zone to continue crushing. The zone would get smaller progressively to make things more difficult. Also if the torvo grabs the head or neck of its target, it would insta kill the opponent via decapitation/crushing their skull once tapping the line in the zone flawlessly 9 times in a row. I love this so much cause it's horrifying and this game is missing some horror aspects. Imagine seeing your pack mates skull slowly get crushed and blood splattering everywhere. Koreaceratops could build dams by collecting sticks from tearing down trees with its beak. Basically just a beaver Kentrosaurus can lunge forward with its shoulder spikes and gore opponents with them. Landing a head hit would scar your opponent and decrease their max hp by 20% for an hour. Utahraptor is basically an African wild dog, attaching to larger prey to exhaust them until they collapse. After that, I'm still undecided whether the prey should have a final chance to fight back but in a severely weakened state (damage debuff and can't regen stamina for 5 minutes), or if the prey should collapse and the utahs could eat them alive. I'm leaning towards option 2 since it's more gory and like with the torvo suggestion, we need more of that stuff. Dilo (or cera) could regurgitate its stomach content and shoot it at people much like modern vultures do. Dilo also, since it had a hook at the end of its top jaw irl, could pull/push opponents around.
Carchs one of those things that I’m not bothered if it makes it into the game or not, I’ll be happy either way. Perhaps a way to differentiate it from the other Apex’s could be to make it play in with the potential drought system the devs talked about, why not make Carch weaker for its size but make it so it has really good endurance in regards to food and water and nutrient drain. My idea being that during droughts most other large apex’s die out while carch can excel due to its high survivability. I’d still prefer Maip or a different theropod over Carch though.
great video, one small issue, UR WRONG! *vine boom sound effect* jk, but really, personally i think carchar has more potiental then u give it credit for. while i agree that we done need another boring megatheropod, i think carcharodontosaurus could had some interesting traits that set it apart from the others, such as flexibility, carcharodontosaurus and other carcharodontosaurid would have had a strong, and more importantly, flexible neck that could rip chunks of living animals while they are still alive. my idea being that this new carchar could be given the ability to bite chunks off other dinosaurs, weakening their attacks, slowing them down and causing damage to the animal. beyond just that, the attacked area could have a chance to get infected which could lead to some interesting situations. so while maybe carchar isnt the best choice ever, i think it still has potiental
Welcome Back from your slumber. Perfect apex to replace Carchar.....Yeah Maip (My-eep lol i thought it was May-p) fits the bill. Although Torvosaurus and Yutyrannus do come to mind. Ornitholestes spawned into my brain cavity, now I want it in the Isle xD
I would add Yutyrannus personally just cos I love it and I think that the devs could do something interesting with a protective covering of feathers. It would also feel a bit different due to the large difference in overall character design. Edit: I don't actually think the roster needs to become any bigger personally but if I had to add something this would be it for the carnivores
Maip would be a PERFECT 5th apex, filling the APEX niche of a pack hunter: Rex grabs and crushes things in a slightly smaller weight class to it like para, disabling: Giga bleeds, acro specializes on brawling other big dinos solo, spino is the semi-aquatic adaptable jack of all trades and maip? Maip would be the pack hunter apex, making up for its lack of weight and size compared to the others with a bigger group size AND a pounce ability that ca potentially pounce to pin FAR LARGER dinosaurs like shants and maybe even camara: It's on the same tier by sheer numbers, instead of raw, individual power
I think the Carcha Could be something interesting A Semi Aquatic hunter Carcha and Spino actually Coexisted and while they did hunt differing prey they did also occasionally Fight with Carcha often winning engagements Now Carcha Being able to hunt down Semi aquatics would be cool or better yet a Pursuit Apex that is more akin to A carno maybe it’s a bit smaller then the other Apexes and give it more speed Before you say There would be overlap with it being a semi aquatics Worst nightmare Might I Add that it should be able to wade through water will essentially no movement Penalty
I do i have to agree on this one, why add Carcha when you already have Giga. Like yeah, i understand you want another big and famous theropod, but why add Carcha when its basically Giga but slightly longer. If both Giga and Carcha were in the game ppl would constantly confuse these two when they encountering them, so its better to add one and leave the other. 2:43 About the whole "make it semi-aquatic", thats just Spinosaurus minus what makes Spino a Spino. If you want Semiaquatic theropod, add Spino, if you want "large" land Theropod, add Maip (like Orni said). Maip was THE largest Megaraptor to ever live.
Torvosaurus would be a massive W in the isle! I can see it having a way more unique playstyle and I'd 100% prefer it over carcharodontosaurus since we already have an apex to fill the niche it would probably have but who knows, maybe the devs know something we don't and can make it different enough. That or Yangchaunosaurus.
I would not add another giant carnivore to The Isle unless there was a gun to my head. I get Rex and Spino, they’re completely different from one another. I can understand wanting the third option, smaller and faster than the Rex. Just like the Acro in Primal Carnage. This game can pick Giga instead, and go with the bleed vs crush distinction to try and give them extra flavor. Got it. I already think we are pushing it with a 4th. Acro in EVRIMA is apparently going to choke prey - so basically I guess it will have a shittier version of the Rex grapple? But at least maybe you could argue Acro’s choke is better suited for the biggest prey like Sauropods. I think that makes some degree of sense, still a stretch but not insane. I can’t fathom a way to make Carch stand out in a way that matters. In my opinion genuinely the only reason it is in the roster is because it is popular - and the devs want the full set of Theropods from JPOG (same with Alberto if you ask me.) A Megaraptoran is at least distinct from other animals in the game. It’s a bit of a stretch to make it an apex but I would prefer that over a 3rd Carcharodontosaurid.
The isle does need Charchodntosaurus It is literally the only other bleeding Dinosaur in the game besides Giga while Rex, Acro, Deino, Spino, Allo, Omni, and Bary all use a version of grappling. So your solution is to get rid of the only other bleeder and put in another grappler?
Carcharodontosaurus could be a Giganotosaurus reskin as a future of the game. As much as I agree that it doesn't need to be in the game, I feel like that the name father of this clade should get some more respect in these types of games. As far as i know non of the Survival games have Carchar officially in them. The only games that have Spinosaurus' ecological rival are either zoo games a.i. Jurassic World Evolution 1 and 2, JPOG, and Ark. But yes with both Acrocanthosaurus and Giganotosaurus there really are enough Carcharodontosaurids in the game. Allosaurus being there to fill in the smaller side of that family is also another reason as to why we really don't need another one. But if we get the King of North Africa I will not complain.
The only benefit I can see to Carcharadontosaurus being added is if Giganotosaurus is squarely centered in hunting only Sauropods and Acrocanthosaurus was a slow pursuit bleeder making Carcharadontosaurus the fastest apex bleeder in the roster. That being said, I would've liked a more interesting species in the game as apposed to Carcharadontosaurus.
i would think of carchar as a smaller/slimmer acro that is SLIGHTLY faster then rex, that specialises rather in small game, but still slower then an allo, but tankier. though abilety i dont know
I would replace carcharodontosaurus for a saurophagnax. Yeah it's just a larger version of allosaurus, but at least I can make this the smallest and the weakest of the apexs. But it's the fastest, has more stamina and can regenerate much quicker than the apexs. At least in my view.
Why can't carcharodontosaurus, if people are just fans of this animal and they would like to see a isle version of it, why can't they do it? Sure I get they are trying to add a bunch of animals at once which sure I get the issue but honestly having like three of popular carcharodontosaurids to choose would be cool and give variant. Like for example maybe some people may not enjoy playing giga or don't find the animal interesting, so they can choose between acro or carcha. Of course there will people who are fans of these animals and would enjoy possibly playing as them in the game. Of course I ain't saying it is need but i really don't see why it can't be added because "oh it is like the acro and giga" if people are fan of the animal and want to play it then it should be perfectly fine
Unless they do something outlandish with car car,they mind as well scrap it. If they gave it thr ability to just take chunks out of other larger animals with a small stomach and a huge insentive to just go in then go out of any given battle,you only succeeded in making a massive parasite instead of a apex, especially since their going to be punked by anything acro sized but even then,its still pointless. Lastly there is already a small dinosaur problem where playables share the same kits anyways becusse nature isnt some rpg where you discover some randob stat boosters paired with skills,its still gonna repeat what was more successful and oddly enough for smaller predators,thats stamina and pouncing paired with pack hunting, Its ridiculous.
Carcharodontosaurus is my favorite dinosaur and unless it's gameplay is drastically different that giga like it being mostly a sauropod hunter with something like flesh grazing; but if it's gameplay isn't that different than giga then what's the point.
I would add saurosuchus, while it certainly isnt in the same weight class as charchar, it would probably be the most unique large/medium carnivore in the game, it has practically unlimited possibilities for potential playstyles
I don't think we need more than the 3 apex we already have actually... I would only think a bit about the possibility of having two tipes of spino's, one quadruped and another one biped, like the one we are already used to.... i think there could be one that would be destined more to water lands while the other would be focusing more on walking around there idk... maybe just a stupid idea ahah but i would love to see it ahahah
If they could make a similar game but filled with extinct mammals I would buy it with everything I had. I want to play as a smilodon or megatherium please!!
I would personaly add Bahariasaurus because it looks unique, you don't see it often and i am sure you could make it have a different enough play style than carcar.
We dont need one, but i would not say no to one either. We didnt need both the Bary and Sucho....but yet they manage to make them unique in terms of concept. The question is if they are gonna make Carcharo feel unique compared to Giga and Acro
They could do this. Giganoto: Faster than other large theropods T-rex: biteforce Spino: fishing mechanic Carcharodo: inflicts more/higher bleed stat than others listed. Now we have here unique suggestion how to make these dinos have different playstyle.
I stand by the fact that prior extinction planned this kinda thing the best via not only adding carcha instead of giga but adding giga as a skin for it same with dreadnaughtus being planned but argent being planned as a skin for dreadnoughtus
Stfu fanboy that game is ass cheeks. Attacks are instant and cooldowns are short so combat is braindead, the graphics are good FOR ROBLOX. Half the dinos don't even have abilities, the devs are greedy as fuck, the roster is poorly thought out, AND they are planning on having EVEN MORE dinos than the isle. I used to love that game back in alpha but there's a reason it only gets 300 players active now. It sucks ASS.
A bigger raptor who could pounce just like omni but do considerable amount of bleed seems really cool (Of course i dont count the balance problems thats a whole different case lol)
The only way carc could be different is if it was a flesh skimmer we it can take chunks of flesh off animals, and it could also have some swimming adaptations where it is faster than most in water, although I would much prefer Maip
Current roaster is just too big for it's own good we do not even have a third of it yet and small tier dinos such as hypsi dryo galli and ptera already feel lack luster and abondened even in community servers besides a giant roaster wpuld result in players having a hard timd forming groups and finfing prey imagine playing as a solo omni or a hera in a server full of apexes which was already a problem in legacy
if i were to add a new somewhat strong carni, i wouldn't add another apex. i would go with something smaller, but still big like a torvo. it would be possibly a bit bigger than an alberto, and since it ranged from 3.6 tons to 4.5 tons i think it would be a great replacement for carch. he has some claw and a kinda slim build so this would basically be a fast unerdog apex with somewhat good bleeding abilities, basically what acro was in legacy
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Carcharodontosaurus is certainly one of the playables of all time.
Also, MAIP MENTIONED 🗣📣🔥
Sinotyrannus > Maip
@@lectroeel6290 Your opinion is... ...Respectable.
@@WesPresto thank you for coming to your senses, sino is objectively better (I'm not biased definitely)
@@lectroeel6290I like both but I’m a pro megaraptorian Stan 😔
@@animethys6813 proceratosaurids are better fr fr
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Pootis pow would easily be the best alt attack in the game. Imagine ragdolling a brachiosaurus with one hit
Dondi not adding tarbosaurus which is actually very different from t-rex but adds carchar which is basically a giga clone in real life...
There really doesn't need to be more than 3 apex predators.
Rex for brawling, bonebreak, and pins/grappling
Giga for bleed, pursuit hunting, and wearing down opponents
and Spino, a semi-aquatic tank with robust arms for grabbing/drowning
The Isle's roster already has way too many redundant dinosaurs as is, but if I had to add another carnivore, I'd make it a sub-apex along the lines of Sucho and Acro, like Maip.
I agree with this tbh
Fully agree, there should be 3 apexs focusing on different styles, the issue is that none of the species play that different besides the status the give, it would be cool if the combat was more varied, like if Grabbing was even an option
I disagree. Carcharodontosaurus could be introduced as solely an apex hunter that does more damage to other apexes than smaller dinosaurs. You could also have a specific diet for them made up of other apexes, which includes herbivore apexes like camarasaurus, trike, apatosaurus, etc. They'd have lots of HP and can take more damage from apex dinosaurs than practically everything else. Of course this would only apply to adults, as the younger ones could eat everything else.
Honestly, the Deino already has spino's spot right now
This, I agree with everything said. Each carnivorous apex would fit their niche perfectly. Unfortunately Carch wouldn’t have much to differentiate itself from Giga, Rex, or Acro even. It’s just a smaller Giga and that’s probably how it would be played as if it’s even added.
They could so easily fix the roster by just adding species as skins and variants for existing playables.
Would a carch skin even look any different on a giga lmao
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyxlmao hardly
I honestly think this would work better. Not to mention with how coltish the Isle community is, they could easily make the skins with micro transactions.
Edit: why da fuck did Isle get auto corrected into Royal!
Lmao that’s what path of titans modders do. If it ain’t broke then don’t fix it I guess 😂
that would work but charcar was faked by jack horner in 2008
If Carchar is supposed to be fast apex, why not Giga?
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Why is Rex again so fast? Its gonna be broken as f*ck again
4:17 i would probably also choose some large megaraptoran
Since
Giant abelisaurids are basically carcharodontosaurids but lighter and megalosaurids are basically tyrannosaurids before tyrannosaurids
So, megaraptorans would be best pick probably
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there 2 two giant abelis and they had a much more different way of biting
@@orinaoz8686 and which ones u mean?
Like, there is Titanovenator (literally largest abelisaurid) that have it this way and also Abelisaurus
Then there is Rajasaurus that yea, have more robust skull
BUT
For Pycnonemosaurus, giant moroccan abelisaurid (from Kem Kem Beds) and São Paulo abelisaurid (from Párana formation) we dont have skulls
@@roguetheoutlander8800 i meant different from the allosauridea, abelis had a short snout and a high degree that its low jaw could open to, resulting in theories of hatchet biting meaning not as high bleed potential. too tired to continue
@@orinaoz8686 I'm sorry but the 'hatchet bite theory' is retarded. Why the fuck would a predator slam it's upper jaw down on something, risk breaking it's lower jaw, lose a shit tonne of teeth in the process (I know they could just regrow them but temporarily losing your only way to eat is kind of bad) when they easily could just bite their prey like basically every other jawed predator to exist. There are no benefits to hatchet bites over normal bites.
I would choose torvosaurus for the pseudo-apex tier carnivore
a Megalosaur would also be really cute to see
@@evodolka”cute” 💀
@@dtbrex08 yeah, look at Torvosaurus and tell me you don't see a really big dog
@@evodolka uh no, Dinosaur Revolution Torvo reminds me of a school bully
Chilantaisaurus better 🗣🗣🔥🔥
There are so many other prehistoric animals that would be worthy of adding unique playstyles. A mid-tier ankylosaur, koolasuchus, carbonemys (I would die for a large, predatory river turtle in a dinosaur survival game.) Instead, people want a doppelganger giga.
That would require the devs to actually do the research to know such cool animals existed (the standards are way too high).
I have always disliked the idea of carchar, it’s just giga but uhhh it’s just giga actually.
Maip would be such a fun and unique playable tho, I wish we had a megaraptor
I could totally see maip pouncing on things, knocking them to the ground, and kicking and scratching at them like cats do.
Ngl Torvosuaurs would be so cool in the isle, I'd love to see how they'd handle it, its such a unique dinosaurs and the king or late jurassic europe, deserves more recognition fr.
My idea for it was a mechanic where it slowly crushed the bones of its prey after grabbing it as it progressively applied more and more pressure to whatever limb it is grabbing. It could even inflict a special kind of bone break from it.
I would not mind any other charcaradontosaurs like Concavenator, Neovenator, or Altispinax
I can see Concavenator overlapping with Dilophosaurus, but it can have some original play-styles like maybe a pack hunter like modern lions? Or even a really bad diver that only stays in the waters to ambush things above, but i can see that getting outcompeted by Deinosuchus
@@NodosaurNoso I agree maybe making Concvaventor a pterasaur hunter allow it to climb cliffs where pteranodon and other flyers perch
@CarterHofer also that could work, its so annoying that little Carcharadontosaurids/Allosaurians get overlooked or ignored because "they're too plain/tiny" when they can have one of the best and funnest play-styles
The isle doesn’t need like 70% of its roster. People don’t understand that roster bloat is just objectively bad for the game and that you can’t just make every creature unique through “niche partitioning” lmfao.
100% agreed, since they have a growth system, they really can just reduce the roster of playables now and have the rest be CPU's
i would say good playables should be different from 1 another, if they are SET on having the 3 largest theropods be playable then i think the playable carnivores should be
. Tyrannosaurus
. Giganotosaurus
. Spinosaurus
. Utahraptor
we really don't NEED the mid carnivores if the apexes are mid carnivores 1/2 way in, plus it allows you to gauge your progress, if you can take on an allosaurus then you might not be strong enough for an acrocanthosaurus
Niche partitioning irl only really works up to a point
@@evodolkayour telling me there should only be 4 carnivores in the game that are playable?
@@lectroeel6290 when so dang many of them over lap so much, yes
Doth my eyes deceive me?! An Orni upload?! It’s been 84 years…
I think there might be a lore reason for the big apex carnivore roster. We can't forget about the strains.
For a company building monsters like the hypos, it would actually make perfect sense for them to resurrect carchar if they already have the others as well.
Game design wise, idk. There's still multiple ways to make an unique apex. If giga is to bleed and rex it to maul then perhaps carchar is to be high stam endurance hunter. Something sneakier and more sinister. Not as fast as giga, not as strong as rex, but something that will keep you running till you exhaust yourself to death.
If I had to add a dinosaur it would be coelo. If it could be an amphibian, as we do not have those IN ANY of these games it would be prionosuchus. Big salamander, high speed, perhaps with toxic mucus.
This is a very different angle to come from. I like
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I always thought of charchar as the Luigi to giga's Mario if that makes sense. Basically the same animal with slight advantages and disadvantages in certain areas. If they add it as that I won't really have a problem with it. I think alberto is actually the problematic one if anything. It's basically meant to throw it's weight around and suffocate animals. This really doesn't make sense for acro when animals like rex and giga exist. How are you gonna do that to animals that are basically you but bigger? It should have stayed as the chunkier allo in my opinion.
If I had to add a new big theropod it would either be maip or tarbosaurus. And yeah tarbosaurus has the same issues as acro and sucho of being a discount apex but I say if sucho can work then the other two should as well. I think either all of them should be in the game or none of them should. If you're going to make a pseudo apex tier, you should at least flesh it out so that those animals have more matchups in their size range.
People are completely ok with playing a copy and paste of classes so long as they look even ''slightly'' different from its counterpart, even tho we all know they're not going to stick with them and soon as something just as OP comes along they'll switch to it.
All people want to do is bloat the roster like you said and have about 100+ classes when only 9 are probably going to be played lmao. They just want The isle to be like POT.
Also I agree, a giant raptor species would be much more better since it'll probably be able to jump, something that giant therapods can't even do lol.
Good points lmao
omni is based off of a bigger estimate of utah raptor which is among the largest dromeosaurids. if u mean megaraptora, then the biggest one, maip was only about double the heigh of a person and probably wouldn't be able to square up with the isle apexes as it evolved from lower in the food chain to a relative apex position due to the absence of competition
@@orinaoz8686 We dont need anymore apexes, apexes should be rare and on their own, each species having at least 4.
Carnivores have Acro, Giga, Spino, Deino and Rex.
Herbivores have Stego, Theri, Anky, Shant and Trike, Omnivores possibly having Deinochier as their one and only apex to semi apex.
Personally I think the Devs should focus more on the little guys because they're far more fun and have more interactions with the rest of the roster.
All those classes I named above are all the same in one aspect, they cant jump, they cant climb...They all might do different tricks, but their anatomy is almost all the same were they're severally limited in their freedom. (Lets see any of those big chunguses jump lol)
At least with a hefty raptor, maybe it'll still be able to jump and be flexible, giving it a lot more options and interactions with the environment.
@@kitkat5596 the medium size class is bloated to the point where the devs thought magy should be inedible to fit in so u might wanna rethink that thing with "focusing on the little guys". anyways i never said there should be another apex, i just thought thats what u meant
@@orinaoz8686 Ya the game needs more little guys, if you think mix packing and overpacking is a problem amongst the small ones, now imagine a bunch of apex tier creatures mix packing with each other, the Devs can't do anything to discourage this type of behavior so why should they make it worse by giving everyone semi to apex level creatures?
The game is already frustrating enough with the current apexes, I rather not see people get their hands on more in the Officials.
I dont care what options they give players in Unofficial servers, so long as they make them AI in Officials.
Carcharo would be fine only AFTER they add all the other dinos we've been waiting for like allo, sucho, giga, spino, rex, acro... you know all the fellas from legacy, and after that in my opinion they can throw in any dino to be honest as long as it's somewhat balanced, but wrapping this up, even if they add Carcharo that's gonna be YEARS of waiting, realistically we need to wait atleast 5-7 years before they add "all" the dinos from legacy in evrima, idk what i'm rambling about, have a nice day lol
I was saying 5 years ago rex would be in the isle by now so i think it will take a LOT more time to have all that wait for 10/12 years and if ur alive u will play with carcha!
As some other comments say, adding it as a skin / echo for the Giga is the best way to go, but even then, adding species for the sake of adding them it's just a bad idea. Legacy already had that problem with overlapping niches and having more carnivores than herbivores
Edit: Based megaraptorian mention
I think this and the roster bload issue in general can be solved by making certain extra playables only avalibile for community servers, like Carcharadontosaurus itself, also God I hate typing that name I wish I just copy pasted from the video title. Anyway, maybe they can give Carcharadontosaurus a more realistic design so people who don't enjoy the crocodile like armor and tail of the Giga can go to a community server that has Carcharadontosaurus enabled and play it instead.
Edit: Also yea I agree a 5 ton Maip would be a better option than the Carcharadontosaurus.
just say "charcha" for short
@@The_Primitive I just copy pasted it after the first time 👍
Would prefer another abelisaur or a large raptor to more super-carnivores.
Really though, they should make more use of the the tree climbing system they have. An anurognathid, drepanosaur, sharovipterygid, scansoriopterygid, or microraptor would be nice.
And of course, anything to make the coast and oceans more lively is welcome.
if i must add an other large/apex carnivore it would either be maip (more unique anatomy and attack pattern possibilities) or chilantaisaurus (bigger than maip, light build so probably fast, and longer arms than carcharodontosaurus, also super underrated theropod)
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CHILANTAISAURUS MENTIONED 🗣🗣🔥🔥
Honestly? i still think carch should be added... but! Instead of making it, its own playable new mechanic and all. How about just have it be a reskin of giga and have it locked behind and achievement for growing a giga or wtvr? I think it would be and neat reward for the player for growing said dinosaur and it allows the devs to add more creature variety to the game without needing to put in as much work towards said creatures! like if they did go with this they would be able to cut down the roster and add some new species they couldn't before like Purussaurus, edmont, lambeo, geosternbergia, and ect under the terms of being reskin options for deino, shant, cory n ptera!
edit: tho ofc if they were to do this they better save it for after the main roster is done xd
Sad to see charcar getting in this situation ow it’s the third large charcarodontosaurid in the game and it’s on a be overshadowed af next go giga and acro and I do not wish such a thing to happen to my boi
Maybe they should open up the Isle for modders. Since that's the only reason why PoT has a Megaraptor and this has allowed the community servers to get such an impressive roster of playables. I mean yeah, some of the modded creatures are broken or unnecessary, but thats why server owners can pick and choose what mods they want and don't want.
I’d just remove charchar and call it good. I’d also replace acro with torvosaurus if I had the say, and have it keep the same playstyle. Let modders bring in Maip, they could probably bring it in quicker and bettet
Torvo would be such a nice replacement, I can see it being better suited for the whole grabbing and choking thing since it was so built and its largest specimen to date being 6 t would place it in that nice semi apex range. But if they don't add it I will have to hope a modder when that eventually becomes a thing adds it to the game. I'm also Torvo biased because favorite carnivorous therapod
I would honestly like to see something like a saurophaganax. Its big but not that heavy and more on the agile side. basically a bigger Allo. It could be used as an ambush predator for bigger carnivores like rex. But honetly i think the build of an bigger allo would be quite unfair in the roster. Things like cera would just be an easy meal and it would be pretty unbalanced so idk
bigger allo is too powerful
Paleo nerd here to say your description is wrong Saurophaganax would literally just be a giga copy paste
@@IndominusRex-wc1eynahh not quite but in the end giga is also just a bigger Allo
@Alluucard allo is a grappler, giga is not
Now that I think abt it tnay makes the concept of Saurophaganax worse considering it'd hybiridize giga and allo in playstyle and invalidate one of them
I also had an idea for Maip for the isle (tho I came up with the idea of replacing Alberta) make it a fast assassin type, good speed but because magaraptors are known to have used their arms for killing than their mouth make it able to slow down prey with their grapple (using their mouth) on the run and then have their claws be able to inflict massive huge dmg once the prey is slowed down/ low on stam with its piercing claws. also, an idea I had would be a stance similar to the Ceratopsians where Maip can sidestep attacks and to try and get a better hit in. (tho I wouldn't say I like this idea as much as the other one)
If i could add a giant terrestial carnivore in the game i would most DEFINITELY choose an animal like Barinasuchus, Barinasuchus would basically be the medium sized Pseudo apex that specializes in pursuing its prey for a long time until its prey runs out of stamina, once its prey runs out of stamina Barinasuchus just pounces on it like a modern day feline and also grapples it like one.
This Play-Style would make Barinasuchus a small/medium game pursuit predator and thats something unqiue from the roster we havent really seen, and obviously Barinasuchus should be able to outrun most of the apex predators, if it cant then it just uses its stamina.
well...by this logic a lot can be just thrown away...
why do we need dible when we can have trike?
why alo , cera and carno when we can just have alberto? (or in any other order...)
why barionix when spino is on the way...?
why sarco when deino is already here..?
and so on...got the point...
the more - the better, that's all
as long as they simply keep their game QUALITY
the thing is we/they don't need to choose...as far as i know there is no limit of characters what they can build / add
so why not??
just add it
who likes it to play - go ahead
who don't - well, just ignore it
Kapro is the only Dino that id love to see added to the game
idk why but i would add yangchuanosaurus, i just like the idea of making it a fast and strong apex capable of bashing, shaking, tearing and holding onto flesh like a huge pitbull
I agree with removing redundant dinosaurs from a game driven by diversity of class and abilities, but I don't think the inclusion of Charc would hurt anything either. Charcharodontosaurus would be basically just a faster Giga, he is lighter and smaller than Giga but bigger than Albertosaurus, where as Giga would be a Titan Hunter Charch would more than likely be a plains roamer. Most of the apexes it would have to contend with would be Rex and Giga, while having spaces to avoid Spino and Deino.
My take on it would be, in order to keep Charch fresh without introducing basically Sub Giga or Sub Rex, give it a charge bite similar to Cera. Normal bites do normal damage and decent bleed, but charge bites can basically stack bleed and damage much faster. Instead of a loud snarling indicator, you'd get an open jaw display and low rumble. Could also give it an alt-mode like everyone else is gonna get, but instead of it transitioning to a challenging spar, I'd say it should transfer into an adrenaline based movement. You move faster but at a much higher cost, and whatever stamina you use in this adreno mode you take a little long to get back. It's sort of an investment, a trade off for either running down prey that's just outside your movement speed or for escaping something that's hot on your butt, at the cost of you are far more vulnerable when you are done with it.
IDK, maybe I'm just biased towards Charch and want him to get a little more love, I know he's not gonna be a well fitting archetype in the set of "The big 3" but honestly I don't think he needs to be in that group. He just needs to be a fun experience, which in all honesty most if not all Dinosaurs have fallen into this category already in Evrima. All the big Dinosaurus are vulnerable until they hit 50-75% than you feel like you could take on the world. Other dinosaurs are fun for mobility, moving around the map at blistering speeds, some have fun mechanics like Teno, Dilo, Herrera, Beipi, Troodon, Galli, Ptera, and Hypsi. And every other Dinosaur (except Dryo til he gets his burrowing mechanics) has a unique sort of mechanic and playstyle that makes them worth the hours you waste on this game.
So that being said, I don't think it will be too much different with Charch, he'll sort of fall into his own Niche like Acro and Alberto will.
I'm sure the devs have an idea to make carchar unique; It's too early to judge as is. Maip, in the meantime, is.. what, a big omni? What's the big point in that? The apex bleeder is already decided, and you just want to suggest adding a mini-acro.
I remember having a vague idea I came up with for some mechanics to give CharChar if they are absolute on adding it (kills me that my fav dino just adds to the bloat). iirc was something like, CharChar would be the more stealthy focused one of the apexes. It'd have a normal bite that wouldn't give much bleed damage (certainly lower than Giga's) and perhaps being the weakest apex bite overall. But, in return it'd have a recharging special ability to imbed teeth into prey that'd break off and remain in the animal to give much more bleeding or maybe some made up special effect as it either moved and/or struggled. Also thought maybe having it be one of the more faster apexes but that'd be op probably. Basically just playing into the name of it having shark like teeth ig. It'd still be part of the bleeder niche unfortunately but would hope the mechanics and playstyle could give it some reason to play over others.
"Dondi can you add Chawcawrodontosawrus to the game Dondi it's my favorite dinosaur Dondi I would really like it in the Isle Dondi :0"
Edit: If you asked me to add a big Theropod for the Isle, I'd have to go for Titanis. Not sure if it's big enough but that's really the only variety of Theropod I'd really want added at this point.
Though I am probably not gonna play the Isle anymore unless something wild like that happens so I am kinda biased
Maip would be really cool lol. Imagine the maip a fast semi apex who uses its speed and long arms to claw grapple and slash prey.
But Maip definitely isn’t really apex tier. It’s more Tarbosaurus, suchomimus albertosaurus tier and not really apex.
4:10 the bullet
Ok hear me out, arboreal carchar
Bro please cook more
The issue with the isles roster is that none if them stand out, you are either walking around starving to death or you are clipping through each other biting until 1 dies, an then you die of blood loss
It needs to reduce the playables and aim for more stand out options, like who the hell actually plays as a sauropod in this game?
Not EVERYTHING should be playable
The only way i see Carcharo work in the game is as a variant for the giga, with different stats, model and some new abilities, a system like this would be cool to have, but that should not be thing to focus, the other playables should be focused instead.
My replacement carnivore would be Yangchuanosaurus, but if i had to add a total new dinosaur would be Gigantoraptor.
They could add it in a way that you can not choose another of them.
They could split the creatures by region that they lived in and limit the amount of dinosaur species that have to contend with eachother
Having 2 dinos with the same characteristics together (weight strength abilities) just seems very unrealistic as they would have fought and one of them would have gone extinct
okaayyy but like
Carcharodontosaurus is my favorite IRL dinosaurrrrr
I also dont play the Isle but I guess a better way to add Carcharodontosaurus would be to add more sauropod variation for example:
having Amargasaurus / Nigersaurus at the bottom and Alamosaurus (my beloved) or Brachiosaurus at the top
also i do like the idea of Carchar being a "jack of all trades"
having the speed of the Allo, but not as fast
having a bite force similar to the rex but obviously not as strong
and being uh, whatever the hell Acro and giga have
If they add Carcha they should add Tarbosaurus as well xD
Whoever said semi aquatic charca. I think bro was on something and I wanna know what it was.
I’d rather they add something like iguanodon in the isle, maip also sounds a lot better too.
Carcha will only do if there's a lot of Sauropod roster.
It's pointless if no Sauropod.
i dont think acro should be added either, too similar to allosaur and giganotosaur
maip would honestly be a super cool addition to the game.
Even though Carcharodontosaurus is one of my favorite dinosaurs, I have to agree with him, we don't need Carcharodontosaurus, there is already Giganotosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus, simply their niche, it was already taken
Personally I'd chose Yutyranus, its pretty unique
1:02 I actually disagree with this because we have protoceratops when avaceratops is right there ava can still use burrows its just a better proto and styracosaurus there's nothing that its going to do differently only that it just has one horn it's still gonna do bleed
i actually forgot about proto damn,styrako can be different but gameplay wise there isnt much room
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx exactly
I know this MIGHT not be a great idea but becs TI community is just so humble and loving towards other people's opinion..... I think carcha should be an apex SCAVENGER, think about it having a cerato on steroids would be SICK (ofc with some distinct features) AND it could have a unique trait where its hunger depletes far quicker than most apexes and a unique bite that cera has but different
charcar is like nautica voyage
For the Maip I can see it being able to grab other big dinos and limit their movement as you can bite and they have to wriggle free. Could be a fun (but hard) thing to add in
Oh and when it runs like a crazy mf'er, grabs a small dino and runs away with it hahahahaha
another thing with megaraptors, current study suggest they are tyrannosauroids. so basically, one lineage of tyrannosauroids picked arms over mouth while the tyrannosaurids picked mouth over arms. pretty interesting honestly
That’s right orni ur right! Remove Rex, giga, acro and add charc ur a genius!
thank you
Get out charcha and add tupandactylus (i need a hervivore pterosaur)
You see the vision
Such a good point. Adding carcharodontosaurus is like adding saurophagonax. Like carchar, it is very similar to another dinosaur and has no need to be in the game. Especially because of the fact that The Isle roster is oversized enough as it is. Nice video, and it's good to see you back again.
Thank you my friend
Oversized 😂 this is not a large roster
@@dead_clownx4697 I mean considering how "consistent" the devs are for developing their dinosaurs. Yeah... it's a pretty oversized roster. At least for them. I don't really mind it but they are adding some unnecessary dinosaurs like carchar when we already have giga, spino, t rex and even acro.
Something we need to take into account is that Server owners are going to be able to pick and choose between different species for there servers. I think the animal souly existing in the game will allow server owners to build specific real life ecosystems like the Kemkem beds. The animal won't be playable on Official servers anyway so simply having it exist as an animal to choose for your server I can get behind. Let's say you want to make a server where everyone plays as an animal from a specific fossil bed like for example the kemkem fossil beds. Playables would be restricted to the animals that lived there, Paralititan, Ouranosaurus, Spinosaurus, Carcharodontosaurus etc. I think simply having the option of that species to choose to have in your server is fine, if a server owner doesn't like it being in game just don't let people play as it. Another option is that it could simply be a cosmetic choice where it functions the same as a giga but you just play it because it looks a bit different
Bro, you’re right I don’t know what they’re gonna do with it but if I could give it an ability to make it special, I’ll give it ability that could rip meet chunks from other live dinosaurs, but it will cost half of your stamina
I never even considered maip but IM ALL FOR IT!!! I love megaraptorans so getting one in the Isle would be a dream come true.
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Lemme pitch my perfect roster (38 playables).
Deinonychus (carnivore)
Koreaceratops (herbivore)
Oviraptor (omnivore)
Dilophosaurus (carnivore)
Pachycephalosaurus (herbivore)
Utahraptor (carnivore)
Kentrosaurus (herbivore)
Heterodontosaurus (omnivore)
Ceratosaurus (carnivore)
Allosaurus (carnivore)
Irritator (carnivore)
Tupuxuara (omnivore)
Torvosaurus (carnivore)
Stegosaurus (herbivore)
Diplodocus (herbivore)
Styracosaurus (herbivore)
Parasaurolophus (herbivore)
Pachyrhinosaurus (herbivore)
Nanuqsaurus (carnivore)
Sinotyrannus (carnivore) (or Maip but Sino also maybe had a crest so it's cooler)
Fasolasuchus (carnivore)
Gigantoraptor (omnivore)
Lurdusaurus (herbivore)
Carnotaurus (carnivore)
Chilantaisaurus (carnivore)
Quetzacoatlus (carnivore)
Triceratops (herbivore)
Tyrannosaurus (carnivore)
Ankylosaurus (herbivore)
Giganotosaurus (carnivore)
Spinosaurus (carnivore)
Shunosaurus (herbivore) (or Nigersaurus but shuno is cooler)
Camarasaurus (herbivore)
Therizinosaurus (herbivore)
Deinocheirus (omnivore)
Tenontosaurus (herbivore)
Magnapaulia (herbivore) (or shant but im biased for Magnapaulia)
Deinosuchus (carnivore)
I also have abilities for all of them but writing them all down would take forever.
Now that is an insane roster. Dm me on discord I’d love to read their abilities.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx I could just write down some of my favorites here so more people can see them.
Torvo could grab parts of its target's body with its jaws and begin biting down to slowly crush the animal's bones. My idea for how to maintain this is that the Torvo would need to press LMB as a line passes through a green zone to continue crushing. The zone would get smaller progressively to make things more difficult. Also if the torvo grabs the head or neck of its target, it would insta kill the opponent via decapitation/crushing their skull once tapping the line in the zone flawlessly 9 times in a row. I love this so much cause it's horrifying and this game is missing some horror aspects. Imagine seeing your pack mates skull slowly get crushed and blood splattering everywhere.
Koreaceratops could build dams by collecting sticks from tearing down trees with its beak. Basically just a beaver
Kentrosaurus can lunge forward with its shoulder spikes and gore opponents with them. Landing a head hit would scar your opponent and decrease their max hp by 20% for an hour.
Utahraptor is basically an African wild dog, attaching to larger prey to exhaust them until they collapse. After that, I'm still undecided whether the prey should have a final chance to fight back but in a severely weakened state (damage debuff and can't regen stamina for 5 minutes), or if the prey should collapse and the utahs could eat them alive. I'm leaning towards option 2 since it's more gory and like with the torvo suggestion, we need more of that stuff.
Dilo (or cera) could regurgitate its stomach content and shoot it at people much like modern vultures do. Dilo also, since it had a hook at the end of its top jaw irl, could pull/push opponents around.
@@lectroeel6290 im liking that kentro idea
Carchs one of those things that I’m not bothered if it makes it into the game or not, I’ll be happy either way. Perhaps a way to differentiate it from the other Apex’s could be to make it play in with the potential drought system the devs talked about, why not make Carch weaker for its size but make it so it has really good endurance in regards to food and water and nutrient drain. My idea being that during droughts most other large apex’s die out while carch can excel due to its high survivability. I’d still prefer Maip or a different theropod over Carch though.
great video, one small issue, UR WRONG! *vine boom sound effect* jk, but really, personally i think carchar has more potiental then u give it credit for. while i agree that we done need another boring megatheropod, i think carcharodontosaurus could had some interesting traits that set it apart from the others, such as flexibility, carcharodontosaurus and other carcharodontosaurid would have had a strong, and more importantly, flexible neck that could rip chunks of living animals while they are still alive. my idea being that this new carchar could be given the ability to bite chunks off other dinosaurs, weakening their attacks, slowing them down and causing damage to the animal. beyond just that, the attacked area could have a chance to get infected which could lead to some interesting situations. so while maybe carchar isnt the best choice ever, i think it still has potiental
Welcome Back from your slumber. Perfect apex to replace Carchar.....Yeah Maip (My-eep lol i thought it was May-p) fits the bill. Although Torvosaurus and Yutyrannus do come to mind. Ornitholestes spawned into my brain cavity, now I want it in the Isle xD
Thank you for welcoming me back. I hope you’re well. Torvo is another good suggestion.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx I'm pretty chill, getting over the last of a nasty cold. Thanks mate;)
The Isle doesn’t need most things because of niche partitioning but here we are
I would add Yutyrannus personally just cos I love it and I think that the devs could do something interesting with a protective covering of feathers. It would also feel a bit different due to the large difference in overall character design.
Edit: I don't actually think the roster needs to become any bigger personally but if I had to add something this would be it for the carnivores
Sinotyrannus is literally just bigger yuty. Although rn it's debated if it had feathers or nor.
So why would it be called carcharodontosaurid's
Maip would be a PERFECT 5th apex, filling the APEX niche of a pack hunter: Rex grabs and crushes things in a slightly smaller weight class to it like para, disabling: Giga bleeds, acro specializes on brawling other big dinos solo, spino is the semi-aquatic adaptable jack of all trades and maip? Maip would be the pack hunter apex, making up for its lack of weight and size compared to the others with a bigger group size AND a pounce ability that ca potentially pounce to pin FAR LARGER dinosaurs like shants and maybe even camara: It's on the same tier by sheer numbers, instead of raw, individual power
I think the Carcha Could be something interesting A Semi Aquatic hunter
Carcha and Spino actually Coexisted and while they did hunt differing prey they did also occasionally Fight with Carcha often winning engagements Now Carcha Being able to hunt down Semi aquatics would be cool or better yet a Pursuit Apex that is more akin to A carno maybe it’s a bit smaller then the other Apexes and give it more speed
Before you say There would be overlap with it being a semi aquatics Worst nightmare Might I Add that it should be able to wade through water will essentially no movement Penalty
I do i have to agree on this one, why add Carcha when you already have Giga. Like yeah, i understand you want another big and famous theropod, but why add Carcha when its basically Giga but slightly longer. If both Giga and Carcha were in the game ppl would constantly confuse these two when they encountering them, so its better to add one and leave the other. 2:43 About the whole "make it semi-aquatic", thats just Spinosaurus minus what makes Spino a Spino. If you want Semiaquatic theropod, add Spino, if you want "large" land Theropod, add Maip (like Orni said). Maip was THE largest Megaraptor to ever live.
I wouldn’t mind if they replaced Giga with carcar
Torvosaurus would be a massive W in the isle! I can see it having a way more unique playstyle and I'd 100% prefer it over carcharodontosaurus since we already have an apex to fill the niche it would probably have but who knows, maybe the devs know something we don't and can make it different enough. That or Yangchaunosaurus.
I would not add another giant carnivore to The Isle unless there was a gun to my head.
I get Rex and Spino, they’re completely different from one another. I can understand wanting the third option, smaller and faster than the Rex. Just like the Acro in Primal Carnage. This game can pick Giga instead, and go with the bleed vs crush distinction to try and give them extra flavor. Got it.
I already think we are pushing it with a 4th. Acro in EVRIMA is apparently going to choke prey - so basically I guess it will have a shittier version of the Rex grapple? But at least maybe you could argue Acro’s choke is better suited for the biggest prey like Sauropods. I think that makes some degree of sense, still a stretch but not insane.
I can’t fathom a way to make Carch stand out in a way that matters. In my opinion genuinely the only reason it is in the roster is because it is popular - and the devs want the full set of Theropods from JPOG (same with Alberto if you ask me.)
A Megaraptoran is at least distinct from other animals in the game. It’s a bit of a stretch to make it an apex but I would prefer that over a 3rd Carcharodontosaurid.
The isle does need Charchodntosaurus
It is literally the only other bleeding Dinosaur in the game besides Giga while Rex, Acro, Deino, Spino, Allo, Omni, and Bary all use a version of grappling. So your solution is to get rid of the only other bleeder and put in another grappler?
Carcharodontosaurus could be a Giganotosaurus reskin as a future of the game. As much as I agree that it doesn't need to be in the game, I feel like that the name father of this clade should get some more respect in these types of games. As far as i know non of the Survival games have Carchar officially in them. The only games that have Spinosaurus' ecological rival are either zoo games a.i. Jurassic World Evolution 1 and 2, JPOG, and Ark.
But yes with both Acrocanthosaurus and Giganotosaurus there really are enough Carcharodontosaurids in the game. Allosaurus being there to fill in the smaller side of that family is also another reason as to why we really don't need another one.
But if we get the King of North Africa I will not complain.
The only benefit I can see to Carcharadontosaurus being added is if Giganotosaurus is squarely centered in hunting only Sauropods and Acrocanthosaurus was a slow pursuit bleeder making Carcharadontosaurus the fastest apex bleeder in the roster. That being said, I would've liked a more interesting species in the game as apposed to Carcharadontosaurus.
If i could add another carni, it would be Yutyrannus. Not an apex, but a unique mid tier because it's feathered. It would be like a smaller Allo.
i would think of carchar as a smaller/slimmer acro that is SLIGHTLY faster then rex, that specialises rather in small game, but still slower then an allo, but tankier. though abilety i dont know
I would replace carcharodontosaurus for a saurophagnax. Yeah it's just a larger version of allosaurus, but at least I can make this the smallest and the weakest of the apexs. But it's the fastest, has more stamina and can regenerate much quicker than the apexs.
At least in my view.
Why can't carcharodontosaurus, if people are just fans of this animal and they would like to see a isle version of it, why can't they do it? Sure I get they are trying to add a bunch of animals at once which sure I get the issue but honestly having like three of popular carcharodontosaurids to choose would be cool and give variant. Like for example maybe some people may not enjoy playing giga or don't find the animal interesting, so they can choose between acro or carcha. Of course there will people who are fans of these animals and would enjoy possibly playing as them in the game.
Of course I ain't saying it is need but i really don't see why it can't be added because "oh it is like the acro and giga" if people are fan of the animal and want to play it then it should be perfectly fine
Unless they do something outlandish with car car,they mind as well scrap it. If they gave it thr ability to just take chunks out of other larger animals with a small stomach and a huge insentive to just go in then go out of any given battle,you only succeeded in making a massive parasite instead of a apex, especially since their going to be punked by anything acro sized but even then,its still pointless. Lastly there is already a small dinosaur problem where playables share the same kits anyways becusse nature isnt some rpg where you discover some randob stat boosters paired with skills,its still gonna repeat what was more successful and oddly enough for smaller predators,thats stamina and pouncing paired with pack hunting, Its ridiculous.
Carcharodontosaurus is my favorite dinosaur and unless it's gameplay is drastically different that giga like it being mostly a sauropod hunter with something like flesh grazing; but if it's gameplay isn't that different than giga then what's the point.
I would add saurosuchus, while it certainly isnt in the same weight class as charchar, it would probably be the most unique large/medium carnivore in the game, it has practically unlimited possibilities for potential playstyles
I don't think we need more than the 3 apex we already have actually... I would only think a bit about the possibility of having two tipes of spino's, one quadruped and another one biped, like the one we are already used to.... i think there could be one that would be destined more to water lands while the other would be focusing more on walking around there idk... maybe just a stupid idea ahah but i would love to see it ahahah
If they could make a similar game but filled with extinct mammals I would buy it with everything I had. I want to play as a smilodon or megatherium please!!
I would personaly add Bahariasaurus because it looks unique, you don't see it often and i am sure you could make it have a different enough play style than carcar.
We dont need one, but i would not say no to one either.
We didnt need both the Bary and Sucho....but yet they manage to make them unique in terms of concept.
The question is if they are gonna make Carcharo feel unique compared to Giga and Acro
They could do this.
Giganoto: Faster than other large theropods
T-rex: biteforce
Spino: fishing mechanic
Carcharodo: inflicts more/higher bleed stat than others listed.
Now we have here unique suggestion how to make these dinos have different playstyle.
I stand by the fact that prior extinction planned this kinda thing the best via not only adding carcha instead of giga but adding giga as a skin for it same with dreadnaughtus being planned but argent being planned as a skin for dreadnoughtus
Stfu fanboy that game is ass cheeks. Attacks are instant and cooldowns are short so combat is braindead, the graphics are good FOR ROBLOX. Half the dinos don't even have abilities, the devs are greedy as fuck, the roster is poorly thought out, AND they are planning on having EVEN MORE dinos than the isle. I used to love that game back in alpha but there's a reason it only gets 300 players active now. It sucks ASS.
@@lectroeel6290 😂😂😂
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx mb I got a little angry at someone fanboying such an objectively shitty game
@@lectroeel6290 nah dw you're good lmao
I would probably replace carcha with saurophaganax or torvosaurus but maip is better
I really like charca but I don’t think it fits anywhere in The Isle. This will alter the games balance. This beast is just too impactful to add.
A bigger raptor who could pounce just like omni but do considerable amount of bleed seems really cool (Of course i dont count the balance problems thats a whole different case lol)
The only way carc could be different is if it was a flesh skimmer we it can take chunks of flesh off animals, and it could also have some swimming adaptations where it is faster than most in water, although I would much prefer Maip
Current roaster is just too big for it's own good we do not even have a third of it yet and small tier dinos such as hypsi dryo galli and ptera already feel lack luster and abondened even in community servers besides a giant roaster wpuld result in players having a hard timd forming groups and finfing prey imagine playing as a solo omni or a hera in a server full of apexes which was already a problem in legacy
What’s with all the giant theropods? Why do we have all of this but only 2 flyers? Something is wrong
if i were to add a new somewhat strong carni, i wouldn't add another apex.
i would go with something smaller, but still big like a torvo.
it would be possibly a bit bigger than an alberto, and since it ranged from 3.6 tons to 4.5 tons i think it would be a great replacement for carch.
he has some claw and a kinda slim build so this would basically be a fast unerdog apex with somewhat good bleeding abilities, basically what acro was in legacy