Universal Geneve Dress Watch Vintage Watch Restoration
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Marshall takes on a project from a friend: a charming Universal Geneve dress watch that has a problem: the hands keep falling out of alignment. Additionally it's not running very well, it needs a new crystal, and there's a mysterious crack on the bezel...
All mysteries will be revealed with this one, enjoy!
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My father is a dental technician. He has also welded small things with the laser in the lab from time to time for jewelers, opticians and model makers. For 10€ in the coffee fund or out of kindness.
What did he normally use the laser for, welding crowns & implants etc?
Hi there!
As a dental tech myself, I assume a laser welder may be used for welding, for example, cast metal framework dentures or metal frameworks for metal ceramic bridges, you know, when they need some adjustments/corrections or additional constructional components added to them.. to name some basic forms of using the gadget in a dental lab..)
Hmmm.... Maybe silver soldering next time? Great repair as always, hopefully never fails.
yah thas what professionals do and at the end we dont wreck the watch...
by the way there is no timegraah in the end of the video.
PEOPLE ARE DESTROYING WATCHES ALL OVER THE WORLD.
I was thinking the same thing BUT.... you can't solder onto rust with any real success. Might need flux and then a polishing after because excess flux can leave marks.
@@juaquimgustavo4712 there IS a timegraph at the end because everyone else saw it. This guy is FAR better than most average people and ACTUALLY HAS some level of training.
@@OffGridInvestor You could most likely solder this with jewelers silver solder but it takes some practice, it takes tools and experience and it will be a lot of work to clean up later.
Furthermore any solder will show itself in a lighter grey colour than the steel grey.
What would've worked would've been a tiny PUK welder or a laser welder but i am totally on board with his assessment that those are outside of his arsenal of options.
In the end nothing lasts longer than a temporary fix.
K.
Lppioknnbx
I like to put these on 1.5 speed and think his really hyped about the watch
2x is better 🤣🤣
I really enjoy your videos no horrible music in the background I respect that. Well done 👍
I love these videos. I assume he is narrating after the fact but in present tense. This is genius, as it is smooth, informative and still retains the enthusiasm. So fascinating.
I've always wondered how and when he records the narration. He keeps it from sounding too polished.
I’ve often wondered the same thing and I came to the same conclusion as you, Sir. When you think about it, it would be very difficult if not impossible to speak with so much ease and diction whilst performing such fine motor movement. Cheers!
@@acomingextinction He mentions in other videos that he's narrating later on. And (not here but) some he has to order replacement parts, and while I'm sure its torture for him, we just get to breeze on through the reassembly as if he had the spare parts there. I would go mad to have something this "finicky" disassembled and wait two weeks for a part, then remember where I was in the process. I would never have the patience or steady hands, but it's a joy to watch him bring these back to life.
Marshall, would you consider a service on my great grandfathers 1929 illinois pocket watch? It is complete and runs, has the original fob, but runs fast. I want to pass it along to other family, but want it it in tip top shape.
Great video as always, Marshall! Out of curiosity, how expensive are your local jewelry repair shops that do laser welding? We had one at the previous watch repair shop I worked for and laser welding usually ranged from like $35-$75 depending on the item and the extent of damage. We mostly did eyeglasses with it, but sometimes had to use it for jewelry and watches as well.
ya, it would have been really easy to to solder, sand and replate also. While time consuming, very easy. That glued giant crack is ugly.
I have a Polerouter that was my grandfathers, my Dad got it serviced recently and its amazing. The movement finishing was surprising as well, love the micro rotor.
If you're able to, make a video about the micro rotor movements from Universal Geneve. Nobody has made one on youtube and its a pretty popular movement(s)
Two things I loved:
1. During disassembly , I said “hm no washer…” but made no connection
2. Loved the use of a post-it pad to prop up the movement holder on the hand setter. 😂😂
A very nice revival of a very nice watch!
The only thing I think I would have done slightly differently is put the crack in the bezel at the 6 o'clock position, so it looked more like an intentional design element rather than a repaired crack. :-)
Was thinking the same thing maybe at the noon too .. if it would let you ..
Just want to thank you Marshall for taking the time for patiently explaining each step in the assembly/disassembly process of watch repair. Really enjoy your laid back style etc. keep up the great work.👍👍
I took all of Marks classes as well. So good! Great forum too. That’s been super helpful
Dood…
Please please please do one of these on an NH36a..
I know I should start on a pocket watch or something but these things are only $28.
I know Mark did one, but not details.
Please, do one and list the parts and lubricants etc and More Detail.
You know, like you always do👍🏻
"It is a time proven formula..." ah, the unintentional watch puns.
Watch it!
@@two_tier_gary_rumain See that one really clicks with me. Ill make sure I tick that one off my list.
@@BaronRadium It's crystal clear you're not strapped for puns.
Let me give you a "hand" with these puns! Just relax and "wind" down! On the "second hand", your lack of "movement" tells me you should "spring" into action this very hour!
@@dfar1962 Oi! I'm going to watch you. Your Mickey Mouse puns are heavy handed.
Another excellent video, Marshall. Good narration and great cutting of the scenes. I know how much work goes into producing such a video.
I would think over time the epoxy joint would fail especially since the crystal is exerting force on the bezel to hold it in place.
I was thinking the same thing. Was wondering how long will the epoxy last at this point.
@@river1duck The mating surfaces were quite rough,which is ideal for a good bond. As long as any oils and other contaniments are removed the repair is unlikely to fail.
@@rick_. they were ALSO rusty which is HOPELESS for a bond if the rust goes further and it always does eventually. I know about surface profiles. Done a sandblasting and spraypainting apprenticeship (protective coatings and corrosion control).
El epoxi si funciona precisamente porque es una rotura que no es limpia, el bisel se partió. Soldarlo con metal solo haría por su rigidez que vuelva a romperse en cambio el epoxi tiene una cualidad elástica junto con la resistencia de una soldadura, con un uso normal un buen pegamento epoxi garantiza que se quede veinte años mínimo en su lugar. Mi mamá tenía una pulsera de porcelana y plata que se rompió y ella cortó un pedazo, le pegó un alfiler para prendedor y lo pintó de plateado. Tiene 50 años el arreglo, y constantemente tiene la presión del alfiler y nunca se ha salido. Me parece que su procedimiento fue correcto y rápido.
Total shot in the dark, but that date inside the caseback could be Japanese. If it is, Showa 56 corresponds to 1981! Would be quite a long time between services if it hasn't been touched since
That rust really looks like dried blood to me. Maybe the crack happened at the same time as the "rust" formed.
Yes. Stainless steel won’t rust. That’s foreign material.
I have a 1903 Elgin pocket watch. Basically a parts only watch. I am practicing taking apart and putting together
Wait, is that actually the Marshall from LR and Magic the Gathering?
Yep
Lots of people refer to the dials as porcelain, but they are all enamel I am sure. Porcelain is fired clay, but enamel is fired glass powder.
Not sure how the front attached but I was surprized you didn't have the crack at the 6'o clock if indeed you could have done that???
I love these very simple designs. Hour and minute, black and white, circle face and simple strap legs.
I'm personally a fan of the A-11. I would love to find an automatic with the hack and A-11 dial face
Good job as always, Marshall! Man, this watch is BEAUTIFUL.
Do you know where Pegwood trees grow? I would like to carve my own Pegwood pokies.
Any one else notice the 4 is wrong? Rules in roman numerals don't allow 4 or more of the same letters in a row like that
What?
No barrel spring pop?
I was looking forward to that.
Like you got inspired by Mark, I got inspired by you. Purchased the tools, some pocket watches, and Mark's basic tutorial for starters. Thank you Marshall.
The epoxy will last longer than the watch will ...no problem .
Couldn't have picked a better time to find this video than when I'm stuck in bed after throwing out my back! Love your videos!
Hope you feel better soon. Back issues are the worst.
I know I am very late to the party, but the bezel could very easily be brazed for a permanent fix. I have done several silver-brazed repairs on similar size parts (like metal glasses frames) it really lasts well.
How would I do that?
@@WristwatchRevival Silver solder and a propane torch. It would be delicate but they make small silver solder kits that seem ideal for jewelery. I put a link in the other response, but apparently that got it deleted, but you want some of 56% silver solder and the flux that comes with it (Harris or Alpha Fry). Get the smallest diameter wire you can find. Put flux in the joint, lightly press it together and hold it. Wipe off the squeeze-out. The pre-heat the solder to just under melting (dull red), heat the part and touch the solder to it, when it gets hot enough it will flow like water into the break, and then quickly cool when you remove the heat. It's very strong, perhaps overkill for this application. Clean up with a needle file, polish, good to go. It will work on brass, bronze, steel, silver and silver alloys, not on titanium, not zinc (which can be soft-soldered with an iron), probably not stainless steel.
@@brettbuck7362 The only issue with silver soldering watch frames & bezels is if they've been plated eg: nickel.
The heat needed to flow the silver solder will burn & blister any plating so the prep work is to remove it all before soldering, which in turn means you need to have the ability to redo that plating afterwards.
FWIW yes you can use that same silver solder to join most stainless steels used for watches eg: 304 & 316
@@WristwatchRevival As an old Jeweller I can tell you it's not as easily as most will have you believe.
Most of the Watchmakers I knew simply handed those kind of repairs over to us Jewellers, as we had all the necessary tools & skill level to do it & in turn, we'd hand them our watch repairs for same reasons.
In your case judging by the crack in that bezel, it WASN'T stainless & so your repair options become more compounded as it's most likely plated, meaning it needs removal prior to soldering & redoing afterwards.
Howdy Marshall, I would suggest you ask any hobby or jewelry maker that works in silver soldering if they would do this kind of repair for you. Many clubs, groups on FB, other places especially in Seattle area I would expect. My wife used to do this kind of thing many moons ago but not now. She does Temari now. Safer for where we now live.
Love your videos. So much good stuff. : ) Keep ticking.
On various videos you've said "and I'm not being paid for this" so many times that i'm starting to think you never got paid for any of your MTG work as well :3
Oh! I like the dial protector! You're the only one who has that afaik. W/ re: to the bezel why not simply replace it? (i.e. instead of using that epoxy method)
Could you please share details of ultrasonic cleaner? I saw 40kHz ones for really cheap and wondered what is the diffrence between it and yours. Also if you could share temperature, and detergents you use for watch parts.
Love your videos, it always calms me down and cheer me up :)
You just come across as so laid back. It seems that what ever is going on in the world you have been spared. You also demonstrate that you are better off getting quality tools. I just always hope and prayed that you wasn't one of the office people furloughed during the plague only to be let go after the big corporation got the government funds like so many did. Haven't heard from Mark for a while. Just hoping he and his family are alright as well.
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I am sure I am not the first one who has wondered why, with your steady hands, you never became
a neurosurgeon. I have a new answer for you. Tell them about what happened when you were
six years old.
You were playing with the little girl next door. She had a new game from Milton Bradley called " Operation ".
You were impressing her with how steady your hand was as you removed every body part like a master surgeon.
Then it happened.....you sneezed while removing his " Funny Bone "
BUZZZZZZZZZZ.......The patients nose flashes red during his last breath.
Little Girl: You KILLED him!.....You KILLED him!!!.....He's dead and it's all YOUR fault!!! MURDERER!!!!
Marshall, what is your opinion of the Eta Valjoux 7753? I have a Victorinox Mach 6 Airboss with this movement. I understand Breitling, Omega and others use 7750 family movements.
The way the 'rust' flaked off almost looks like someone had glued the crystal in...
👍😉
Can I send you my watch? Hamilton Cape horn, my 15th birthday in 1973. It was recently repaired and cleaned however it is not keeping accurate time. I even have it on a watch winder 24x7 plus daily wear on my wrist. This watch is a sentimental value. I will pay all shipping plus whatever you charge. Thanks in advance. Ernie C
long story short: i live in SC I'm 63. I worked on watches as a hobby for 18 years in my country COLOMBIA. how can i make money here? some links? thank you
That’s actually a very collectible watch, a UG White Shadow. Well worth the $300 for the proper repair if you couldn’t source a replacement.
I stumbled upon your videos and find them informative and don’t laugh relaxing! Lol. I do have a question. I have a chronograph dial that I would like to build a watch around. Where should one start? With the movement or the case or all things. I know very vague questions without a picture or measurements. Should I go to a watch repairman or a watch internet site to explain watch specs..
Marshall, Why do you get the watch running before you lube the Cap Jewels? Seems like it would be easier to remove, lube and replace them before you wind the watch.
What happens to all the watches you fix up. Do you resell them or do they go to your collection
I just had an epiphany. When you are looking at the train of wheels, it is actually upside down from normal use and storage. Those bridges are supporting from below and what everyone calls the top cap jewel is actually the bottom cap jewel and vice-versa.
Me: No way he can restore this
Wristwatch Revival: Hold my tools
Would you consider soldering something like this ? Use a soldering iron, you don’t generate a lot of heat. You must warm the broken part by touching the iron to the part. The left over soder will smoke and run onto the part, then ad a touch of silver soder, it’s done. Easy peazy
Marshall almost forgot to tell you - a great cleaning agent for delicate items is saliva; just ‘ol spit. Not kidding. Ask some restoration experts. Some do some don’t some won’t.
It's really an interesting video. You've done a great work. Thanks!
Classic style on this one!! I really like how it looks! Great video as usual!!
I always find your videos extremely entertaining. Your narration is perfect
Hey marshal. I'm a sub. Hey so I have a citizen chandler. It needs servicing. Would you do it on video? Hit me up to please let me know how I can get you to do this for me.
Excellent video. I suppose this may be a silly question but, whenever other parts break you just replace them. Is it not possible to simply buy another replacement bezel?
I wonder how it is possible that a dial with Roman numerals can have the number 4 with that symbol (IIII) in Roman numerals the 4 is represented like this: (IV)
I look on these revivals as part of my therapy!
Lovely to see you restore a vintage watch to good, working condition. Thank you 😊.
Hi Marshall I have a Elgin pocket watch that has a key to winde it up and I don't know what year it is from. It was my grandfather's watch. How can I find out how old is it? .
Lovely sympathetic service, great editing as always Marshall.
Hey you should have a look at jewelry torches, get into silver soldering for this kinda stuff!! Still a good repair
I wish you had just zoomed in your camera so that watching this video would make better sense.
I liked you video though thank you
Hey WWR, just got a universal geneve ellipse and was wondering if winding direction is clockwise or ccw, cheers!
Instead of tape, would one of your movement holder/vises worked better to tension the bezel for the epoxy job?
John
The rust looked a bit waxy. Maybe there was some contamination from sweat, food, something?
I love how each project has its own set of challenges.
Any reason why you didn't strip, clean and re-wind the barrel the way you usually do?
Would love to see you strip and clean a Swatch movement and hear your observations on their unique design and construction.
Guessing he did but didn't show it?
This time you didn't show the opening of the barrel and removal of the mainspring...
inside back cover is 56-6-10= June 10 1956 is that the last time it was serviced?
I wonder why these nice dress watches don't get a lot of attention… Is it just because they were made in the 70s when UG was on its downfall and people want ones from the era when the company was doing good?
Hi there Marshall,
Not sure how this one escaped me, but thank you for another great video.
I was wondering.....What if you aligned the bezel with the crack over the 12 o'clock marking? Would that have been possible? That way it could look a bit less wrong? Not sure if this is right from my perspective. What do you think?
Thanks so much for sharing your skill and passion.
Many blessings to you and yours.
Did a quick search of ebay. There is one universal geneve on there at the moment that looks to be very similar to this piece. It's very pricey though. Looking for a possible donor. Very effective repair, but just in case this repair didn't work, can you buy specific parts like bezels?
You can find plenty of parts and tools on eBay.
Great video as usual! Just hard to believe stainless steel rusting let alone cracking... A little error of heat treatment at the producion line?
Could be, or just long term wear
I LOVE your channel! I just finished building my workbench and I am stocking up on the tools. I've done about 5-6 services on the classic ETAs 2824...2836 etc. and I just serviced an AS 2062. Just still a rookie but I love it! I've used some of your links for tweezers but I can't seem to find the soft tipped ones...wood, plastic and brass. Any way you can point me in the right direction? BTW, also love the view from your high-rise! I think I wanna be you!
Marshall can you please tell me where I can find that dial case for protecting the dial after removing it from the movement?
Why do watches have the Roman numeral for 4 being IIII instead of IV?
You can tell the cannon pinion is way too loose. Your friend is guaranteed to have issues with the time keeping because of it.
I thought the case look pretty good! Didn't see the need for polishing but I'm watching in 360p. Epoxy bit is kinda noticeable though. Never seen those type of spring bars before though.
Stunning little watch. Great job on the repair!
Given the grain structure of that bezel, it was more than likely originally made with chromed pot-metal. I seriously doubt that it could have been welded anyway because pot metal (some people call it white metal) would just burn with a laser welder. The epoxy was the right call and is exactly what I though was the best choice after seeing that close up.
It's not plated but yeah it's not exactly super great stuff either, hopefully the epoxy holds up!
I always enjoy your videos and also try to see what watch you’re wearing in each video. Please show us 😂
I'd be worried that that epoxy wasn't going to hold... and tempted to use a little silicone caulk to "seal the deal". Love the videos!
I would still like to know where you sell the watches you have restored. I would to purchase one to five of them.
Haven't seen Mark on his channel for a while. Hope he's alright.
R.I.P.
A movement holder would have made the perfect clamp for the bezel while the epoxy cured.
PSA! PLEASE NOTE: I REALLLLLY love your videos and style of teaching as you go. I dont like that the tiny movement is only .8 % of the screen. You have very lovely hands, but that's what this video predominantly captures. Would it be a nuisance to very politely ask that you have a closer view of the movement as you work on it? It would be much appreciated! Besides that, you're Bob Ross.
As a fan via LR, now that we've seen a watch repair 2 for 1, what is a watch repair 3 for 1?
Also here for the 2 for 1.
What size was the crystal for this as I have one myself and it needs replacing?
I'm surprised you didn't buy a donor watch to replace the bezel. Are those watches really expensive to buy for parts? Or was it really a sentimental watch?
Job for a friend, probably 0 budget
@@biomerl That makes sense but if a friend of mine had me fix something and it needed a part I would find it and have them order it if it was affordable. Nice things cost money to maintain, Like bezel is a really important part in a watch, and the glue still cost money and so did the replacement crystal. It might be cheaper to buy a donor watch with a nice crystal and bezel but not working the to buy jewelers glue and a new crystal. Either way the guys videos are great to watch.
Great vid. You could have used the crystal and bezel holder to hold that in place as it dried…
Universal Geneve Tricompax is a dream watch for me. People forget just how many Universal Geneve watches were very classy.
Many years ago I owned a solid gold ( 14k ) Universal Geneve. Even the band was solid gold.
I purchased it second hand and found out the watch was just too small for my wrist. And I could not find links to enlarge it. I sold it and found a link about 4 days latter.
Just my luck I swear.
But yeah Universal Geneve Tricompax is one very cool watch.
I would have just turned out another bezel on my lathe.
Nice repair, risky bezel. Could part when your not aware.
Every time Marshall says, "let down the main spring" i always think of something a parent would say to a hopeful child, "No, mainspring, we have McDoanld's at home"
There's a great product out there called Evapo-Rust. Water-based, biodegradable, and it removes rust like a champ just by soaking, no scrubbing needed. Might be useful for watch cases like this.
Whoopsie you forgot to show the spring in the barrel guessing there was no problem 😉
Your local eyeglass repair shop can weld that metal for $25...I've had it done to my metal thin frame Oakley's 3 times already...the new breaks were not repeaters.
What's up with that 4 numeral? Universal has something against V's? Looks good actually, but I've never seen that be four.
Have a look on Google.
Much quicker than me explaining it.
Nice. Does any of the wrist watch have pendulum?
Marshall, I appreciate your channel quite a lot. You explain everything so well and your patience with such minute, precise parts is exemplary.
How do you organize the myriad of different sized screws with each timepiece? When you place them on your work bench, your positioning seems rather indiscriminate to me. Then you pile so many of those tiny screws into the same cleaning basket. I would never get them back into their correct locations on the various bridges if I did that. You must have an impeccable system to keep them organized. I just haven't heard you verbalize how you do it. Thanks very much for your response.
I would love this to have a clear back to view the movement, escpecially as the case is so thin. Marshall, I could use a hand with my watch I cannot figure out how to remove the crown to remove the movement from the case. Would you help with this? Thanks. Steven
A nice little project. If you want a fun one, (I'm going to do), is take a larger watch movement, like the ST36 from Mark's course and re-home it in a Panerai-like case from Ali-Express. For about $40 you can make a nice little sub-seconds watch with a mineral or sapphire crystal with that movement. Also, you could find a cheap pocket-watch, get it running, and then re-case in an eBay or AliExpress case.