UPDATE! Koenigsegg has improved on their time (as mentioned would be possible in this video, due to traction). 0-400-0 in 33.29 seconds, and they hit the world record top speed (averaged both directions) of 277 mph! Unrelated to Koenigsegg, math, and all things scientific is my Instagram: instagram.com/engineeringexplained/
Wait,so 4WD is actually accelerating faster on the start,but the faster it goes the more power is lost in transmission?So Bugatti can go faster if at some point between 100 and 400 kph it started to give more (or even all) torque on the rear wheels,right?And maybe Koenigsegg can improve 0-100 time by redistributing some torque to the front wheels(or just use better grip rear tires).Also great knowledge of metric.Good job!
Sir, you talked about wheel slipping problem in 'Agera', could you please explain what exactly does it mean and how does it affect the pick up form 0-100 in Agera. Thanking you in anticipation.
This was all so...Koenigsegg. They take forever to do an atttempt, came to it because the customer wanted it. Then they open a window of a single weekend to do it on, and oh, bad weather! Then we'lljust do it on a gravel airfield nearby and publish the results if it's a Bugati beater. There are only a few laps where respectable times were set, and the Nurburgring attempt lasted half a lap, and was then totally abandoned. Just one chassis (understandably to a point), time, money, etc.
Cloxxki the nurburgring was abandoned because of an accident, and they one brought one car because it was the one:1 and they don't have any other to use, unless one of their customers are willing to sacrifice theirs. I think it's more than understandable that they didn't set and publish an official lap time.
Gravel airfield? It's an airfield made of huge concrete segments from ww2. Now if they did this on the same track as the Chiron they'd beat Bugatti silly - when that is said I think the comparison of these two cars are flawed - cause Agera RS is a RACER and Chiron is more of a high powered GT - to do this right I believe they should have compared Regera vs Chiron instead.
Even with horrible weather conditions, Koenigsegg still destroyed Bugatti... I bet they didn't even bother to prepare, but instead just did it during their tea-break. Bugatti is Impressive, but Koenigsegg is badass.
With a price tag longer than a semi , not many really care except the manufacturer . The lug nuts cost more than I make . Both are engineering master pieces for sure , only thing holding these back are tires .
It really looks so, if a Koenigsegg engineer who knew his data looked at the Bugatti times it would’ve pretty obvious they could do it better. I’m the aerodynamics are pretty much the reason here.
If they where tested on the same track, the Agera would have easly cut off another 2 seconds. More grip during acceleration and braking. Not to mention the Regera will be even quicker from 0-400. It even out-powers the Chiron. 1500hp and 2150nm torque.
The gearshifts alone would save another 2 seconds or so total. Since the Regera doesn't have a gearbox, it will be close to peak power in the 300-400 so I expect them to go for the 30 second mark. Also traction control is much better with electric motors so there's another 2 seconds in the 0-100. Regenerative braking may help during the braking part.
srinitaaigaura 30 sec is a bit nonsence since air resistance is too great and electric power has nothing to do with more traction it just gives instant torque and launches quickly
They confirmed themselfs a while ago that the Regera could go from 0-400 quicker. Meanwhile Koenigsegg broke this record already going from 0-400-0 in just 33.87 sec. And top speed average of 277.9 mph with a top reached of 287.
Comparing with the 0-300-0km/h record run done with the One:1 (0-300km/h in 11.92s) I have no doubt that Koenigsegg could do the 0-400-0km/h in sub 35s with better track conditions. Their own test track in Ängelholm is far from perfect too.
Yeah, I know... I’m quite aware of their test track since I built the engine in the first 0-300-0km/h world record car (red Agera R #7086)... The meaning of my comment was to say that the track surface at Vandel Airfield in Denmark where the 0-400-0km/h record was set must’ve been very slippery since the time 0-300km/h set in Ängelholm (where the surface also is far from perfect) was much quicker. So with a grippy strip to drive on, sub 35s should be a walk in the park!
@Bugatti Chiron Supersport lmao I didn't even remember this the month after I said that. Didn't hear anything about it these past 2 years either, so I guess nothing happened lol
As an engineer, I love how you broke it down using the specific variables that go into formulas for drag. I think few people realize the relationship between velocity and drag is to the power of 2. It would also be interesting to find out from the two manufacturers what the drag coefficients are. Liked this.
I really never understood this whole craze about koenisgsegg "destroying" bugatti. The cars are clearly not designed for the same purpose. The Chiron is a car made to be a luxury car which gives as much as possible driving sensations when the agera rx is clearly a beast made for records. The fact is that these cars are both marvels of engineering. Seeing the bugatti reach these heights of technicity is wonderful. Seeing that agera achieve such a record is wonderful. I really don't understand that "agera is better than the chiron" or that "the chiron is better than the agera" fanboy battle. As fellow car enthousiasts or engineering enthousiasts we should all be claping our hands before such deeds and cheer for engineers so that they keep doing such good work so that the car industry reaches new heights !
I think what else explains the similar braking times, even though the Koenigsegg is 700kg lighter, is that the track grip that caused a 4+ second 0-60 time also dramatically decreased braking grip. I had hoped you would cover that in the video
I think because they still won at braking even with that wet surface disadvantage that he forgot they had a disadvantage in that situation to begin with, lol. Small oversight.
Yeah this was more a vid on how the segg did it then why it beat the bugatti cuz he missed gearing,whp vs crank hp,major weight difference,bugatti having wider tires for breaking and more but still a good vid
Well Bugatti just became first production vehicle to break 300mph. Of course they do with brute force, I still admire Koneigsegg for it's focus on lightweight construction and radical rethinking of engines and drivetrain. The really impressive thing is Michelin being able to make a tire that can take the astronomical forces that come into play at those speeds.
Very wishy-washy approximate but above about 50mph, air resistance becomes increasingly significant the faster you go. I.E. for low speeds air does not act as a viscous fluid in a significant manner so you can ignore it.
1970HondaCL100 ignoring air resistance over a certain speed is completely wrong. Considering air resistance, you get a "top speed" called terminal speed, depending on the object, that can't be topped just by falling. If you don't consider air resistance, though, there is no limit besides the ground (and light speed, but then relativity starts doing it's thing and it gets complicated) to the speed you can achieve by freefalling.
Maybe you should make a new vid, How Koenigsegg Destroyed their old record. New numbers and WR: 277.9 MPH 'official record over two passes with a top of over 287 mph'. 0-400-0 KPH at 33.87 seconds.
I can not understand why so many commentators are assuming a condescending attitude with the notion that "well at least the Chiron is a more refined automobile." Really? Accomodations are cramped. Luggage space is nonexistent. Visibility to the rear is at a premium. Interior esthetic, much like its exterior, has the appearance that only Liberace would love.
That was quite good analysis. Thank you. I believe that if the Agera RS had AWD (even with the added weight), it would be much quicker off the line then the current RWD. 2017-2018 cars are moving towards All-Wheel-Drive, and even All-Wheel-Steering. I can't wait to see what happens next year.
Great video. Long time fan here too. I saw a video id like you to explain, its called the compressed air supercharger. Like nos, they have air tanks in the trunk, but what makes it better is you can lean our the fuel more without detonating. Theres also no power loss unlike turbo, supercharger or centrifugal. They have it set up so the throttle body closes at wide open throttle and the engine runs completely off the tanks at 130psi. Could it be the next big thing? How does the system really work?
I'm not EE, but I can tell you it's only going to be useful on a drag strip in very limited circumstances. At 130 psi, a two liter engine turning at 6,000 rpm consumes a little over 29.5 cubic feet of air per second. A size H oxygen cylinder, which holds just under 250 cubic feet of oxygen and weighs around 110 pounds empty, would run out in 8.45 seconds. That's plenty of time for a pass at a drag strip, and obviously your engine wouldn't be turning 6,000 rpm the entire time, but I feel like it illustrates how limited this sort of setup is.
Bugatti claims their Super Sport prototype could exceed 500kph in Nevada, where Konigsegg set the Guiness two-way top speed record, due to lower air drag at higher altitude. But thinner air also means less oxygen to combust fuel, so lower power. EE: please make a video on the effect of elevation on power loss and air resistance!
“counting pixels”. I do this all the time. A little image processing goes a long ways. It should only make you nervous if you haven’t tested your code or if you don’t trust the source of the data (companies can mess up in displaying data).
You mentioned near the end of the video the power loss from having to power all four wheels that the Bugatti has to overcome. Would it possible/practical to have an efficient system that could power all four wheels until a certain speed (or some other more ideal variable), and then only power the rear wheels after? Are there any systems like this that exist (other than the selector that 4 wheel drive vehicles have that typically have to occur at a stop)? It would obviously need to perform the switch incredibly quickly.
VinBadaBing there are systems that can to that (disconnecting shafts). Though none developed for those power levels. Not completely eliminating the drawback of awd, but reducing the effects. For example you still have the extra weight to accelerate and some extra parts to get rotating (which will eat away some of the power on its way to the ground)
Skyline GTR R32 started doing this brilliantly by moving torque to the front axle when the rear started sliping. Most such systems work sending torque to the rear axle now-a-days, being FF normally when grip is enough.
Obviously, for the 0-400 km/h acceleration aerydynamics is the main factor that counts. But even for owners of these cars there are rare opportunities to reach these speed levels. So focussing on acceleration in the 0-100 or 0-200 km/h range is more rewarding for car makers and their customers. The part on the braking performance is also intriguing! Before that, I had a higher esteem of air braking systems.
Regardless I still love the look of the Chiron, and heard it's a dream to drive and easy to drive. It has a more classy look of a luxury car and I prefer that.
"Classy look of a luxury car" Who says that Agera RS is not a luxury car, but just a lightweight track car like 911 GT3? Christian said even though Agera RS is a track car it also has creature comforts
I have no idea what all those complex mathematical computations example, but it sounds so interesting. Better punch at lower legal speeds. Money maker.
Suck it Bugatti. Konigs are the top dogs on "drag time" performance. PS: thanks for the METRIC data!!! PS: Konig braking performance was compromissed due the WW2 concrete tarmac. PS3: is not the best practice to state on witch car "I'd get more fun", different flavors, I'd go to the Konig fun but other would choose the Bugatti fun.
Gearing my friend koenigsegs a 6 speed bugatti 7 meaning 4th to 6th gear is where the bugatti is set to climb slower this explains a lil bit why the car is slower then the koenigsegg or its one of the factors
Think about that, it takes 9 seconds to stop if you're going 400kms per hour. Think how far away you would have to be looking while driving that fast. I think you would get tunnel vision.
The main difference is the weight, and that lower weight in the Agera would cause it to slip easier from 0, but 4.1 to 100 is very bad for it. I don't understand why with all the control they put in place to do the run that they never made sure the (track) conditions were better.
@William Charles Frederick Grover-Williams Singer Porsche is actually made in USA. But of course based on the real Porsche 964. Just improved a lot. And super expensive...
For years this battle back and forth between Koenigsegg and Bugatti has been one slightly beating the other just after. I love the W16 engine because of it's complexity, but Koenigsegg is such a relatively small company invested in itself and most of its accomplishments are in-house. Bugatti has been in the game a lot longer - some 85-years longer. And they have partner sources in the automotive industry. Koenigsegg got my attention when it came out with the CC8S. A twin-supercharged Ford 4.7L V8 designed powerhouse in an highly engineered and crafted chassis. What ultimately sold me on Koenigsegg was when they developed their own engine. For me, a car manufacture has arrived when it's engineering its own engines. While I have to say they "kind of cheated" a little bit because the engine is actually built by Grainger and Worrall, it's a specific engine for their car so that's still their engine as far as I'm concerned. And then the CCXR, which was "environmental" but really, E100 fuel making 1018hp was the only thing that truly mattered. It was the CCXR if I recall that first put the smackdown on the Bugatti Veyron that forced them to come out with a new Super Sport variant of the Veyron to lash back. Hah. =) These two manufactures can go at it and force each other to inch closer and closer to an even faster production car for as long as they'd like. I will just sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labour. Kind of. It's not as if I get to drive them. ;|
So, It might also be worth to mention that the number for the One:1 significantly improves on the 0 to 300 values showing the importance of grip. There is massive room for improvement here and another two seconds should be possible to shave of. Clearly Koenigseggs own track, to short for 400, has much better grip. And judging by Bugattis own video their track is in exemplary condition. Just my 2c.
Would you say the koeniggsegg would be able to break harder on a better surface too? I guess especially from 200-0 where tire friction matters more then maximum braking power this would make a big difference...
I really enjoyed how you broke this down like a play by play of what was happening. Your channel is actually one of the reasons I'm about to drop Accounting and go into Mechanical Engineering. Thanks for the videos and the wonderful information.
I wonder how a 4wd Koenigsegg would perform. 4wd adds weight and increases power loss, but the Koenigsegg is so light, it should afford the extra weight and friction.
I'm in an engineering school , and i think that many of these schools lost the idea of teaching maths and physics for A PURPOSE , you don't really know what they are useful for..
How much difference do you reckon the slightly improved engine made in the Agera? Would the version that the customer could buy still be faster than the Chiron?
One thing about the Chiron/Veyron is it seems inefficient. I don't remember the actual numbers, but lots of radiators, turbochargers etc that add weight and bulk to get a 10% advantage in power but a huge weight penalty. And really, it seems to me the Chiron is simply an incremental improvement over the Veyron, nothing really new. Koenigsegg send to be trying new stuff all the time. They should try an all wheel drive version. In a road car, for acceleration, you can't beat all wheel drive, all other things equal. PS GREAT VIDEO
11 radiators brah 3 for the engine 2 for the water intercooler 1 for the oil 1 for the transmission 1 for the A/c 1 for the differential And 2 for the shock absorbers 😵😵😵😵
What?! The Chiron is a reliable car that can run 25 hours straight in full throttle because of the radiators, it's not a kit car with a dragster V8. Actually the Chiron has more full working technology than the Agera RS: Haldex gen. VI AWD transmission, Aero Braking, Internal Active Aero Funneling System.
Awesome video. Missed these vids a lot these days. That Agera time for 0to 60 is it correct??? 4 seconds is pretty slow for such an exotic car. Isn't it??
You can see in the video of the run that they are struggling to keep the car straight, and on the graphic you actually see it lose some speed at some point due to that. Also, it makes no sense for a car to be faster from 100 to 200 that from 0 to 100.
I think the Agera would be more enjoyable to drive. Because in Chiron I would still think about those damn fast wearing tyres that I have to replace for 40.000€...
Why would they even publish these figures with such track conditions. 0-100 4.15s.. lol chances are they could shave another 2-6s from the up to 400 time
Jason. I have watched all of your videos from the beginning. I have learned so much from your style of teaching. You are doing God's work in the car community. Thanks brother!!!
what are you goin on about. the car used for the record is a clients car. the car is modified as in modified with options the costumer demanded. Those being the engine of the one:1 and a removable roll cage. Those are option you have when ordering the car. So ya it is street legal.
Kind of an unfair comparison if you ask me, considering how much heavier the Chiron is. It's heavier not because Bugatti can't make it lighter. They are a brand funded by one of the biggest car manufacturerers in the world, they can afford the R&D time. They got the engineers. Its so much heavier because Bugattis are touring cars, they are suppose to be insanely luxurious. They are supposed to drive like an S class Mercedes. It's supposed to be an every day car. The Koenigsegg is a race car and has 1 aspect it needs to be good at.
It's a self imposed limitation as you pointed out, they also claim they are the fastest street legal car. Top speed maybe, but in this particular test they are not. The quality of the materials mean nothing as this was a simple 0-400-0 race. Nowhere was there a comparison of cabin quality etc.
lol! The Chiron definitely can save a lot of weight if they want to sacrifice the safety, the reliability, the comfort, the ride quality, the engine smoothness to the same level of the Agera RS. They can remove the Haldex AWD system, the Active Aero Braking, the Active Internal Aero Funneling, boost up the turbos pressure, remove the high quality leather. It would be exactly like the Agera RS but faster.
+AluminumHaste exactly, in this particular test. But people are immediately hopping on the hate train saying how Koenigsegg is the best and fastest car ever while 'Egg still hasn't beaten Bugatti in any other speed aspect.
the dude thinks that because it didnt have the base engine model it was "modified". Well guess what, mashed potato, when you buy a koenigsegg you actually have different engines to choose between, and thats another reason why Koenigsegg is so awesome.
Well don't forget the Bugatti is the top of the line. Koenigsegg didn't even use the lighter and more ridged One:1 which is what's really embarrassing for Bugatti.
Necrosis3 And this is Bugatti's latest creation, while the One:1 has been out for some years and Koenigsegg's latest car can go 0-400 in under 20 seconds
Please let the fact that they both took nearly half kilometers to stop sink in before you start driving. On the other hand, driving your own car is a symbol of freedom. Freedom is THE most important thing to human race. It does come with some responsibilities, but nothing a real man can't handle.
UPDATE! Koenigsegg has improved on their time (as mentioned would be possible in this video, due to traction). 0-400-0 in 33.29 seconds, and they hit the world record top speed (averaged both directions) of 277 mph!
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Wait,so 4WD is actually accelerating faster on the start,but the faster it goes the more power is lost in transmission?So Bugatti can go faster if at some point between 100 and 400 kph it started to give more (or even all) torque on the rear wheels,right?And maybe Koenigsegg can improve 0-100 time by redistributing some torque to the front wheels(or just use better grip rear tires).Also great knowledge of metric.Good job!
power to weight is king
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Sir, you talked about wheel slipping problem in 'Agera', could you please explain what exactly does it mean and how does it affect the pick up form 0-100 in Agera. Thanking you in anticipation.
I wanna see Koenigsegg do it again in better conditions
This was all so...Koenigsegg. They take forever to do an atttempt, came to it because the customer wanted it. Then they open a window of a single weekend to do it on, and oh, bad weather! Then we'lljust do it on a gravel airfield nearby and publish the results if it's a Bugati beater.
There are only a few laps where respectable times were set, and the Nurburgring attempt lasted half a lap, and was then totally abandoned. Just one chassis (understandably to a point), time, money, etc.
I bet they could get another 2-3 seconds if they were on the same track as chiron
Cloxxki the nurburgring was abandoned because of an accident, and they one brought one car because it was the one:1 and they don't have any other to use, unless one of their customers are willing to sacrifice theirs. I think it's more than understandable that they didn't set and publish an official lap time.
Gravel airfield? It's an airfield made of huge concrete segments from ww2. Now if they did this on the same track as the Chiron they'd beat Bugatti silly - when that is said I think the comparison of these two cars are flawed - cause Agera RS is a RACER and Chiron is more of a high powered GT - to do this right I believe they should have compared Regera vs Chiron instead.
Yartin hopefully with the regera
I'm 99% sure that Koenigsegg had Eurobeat songs on the radio and that gave him the edge
Adam K Does it even have a radio? 😂
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Nothing a VTEC and drum brakes can't beat. Hold my fake turbo kit
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They both have nothing on my S2K with black emblems.
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I swear to do my homework if you were my physics teacher
Correct bro he explains in a very good way nice work bro
Niru check out khan academy guy is a genius and knows how to explain it to you. I finished ap pyshics with an A because of him.
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teaching physics on a Sunday??? This guy is amazing
jesus taught in the synagogues on a sunday 👌
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Meanwhile my physics teacher couldn't be bothered to teach physics in class. XD
But we've got to love EE's dedication to giving us information!
Preaching Physics in Sunday School.
Even with horrible weather conditions, Koenigsegg still destroyed Bugatti... I bet they didn't even bother to prepare, but instead just did it during their tea-break.
Bugatti is Impressive, but Koenigsegg is badass.
With a price tag longer than a semi , not many really care except the manufacturer . The lug nuts cost more than I make . Both are engineering master pieces for sure , only thing holding these back are tires .
It really looks so, if a Koenigsegg engineer who knew his data looked at the Bugatti times it would’ve pretty obvious they could do it better. I’m the aerodynamics are pretty much the reason here.
Old casual black or asian men would drive it better?
"Didn't even prepare"... they redid the whole car just to do this run.
But hey people want to make some fantasy heroes.
MsSomeonenew They redid what???
If they had explained every math problem with supercars in school I would of aced every math exam.
Spot on!!
Would have*
Or you would have learned to hate super cars
My physics teacher made a car comparison and I immediately was able to relate
EliteDavid Horne Yea, it would be my favorite class of all time! Too bad there's no car related classes in school to learn about their history. :(
So you're telling me that in better conditions, Koenigsegg could have spanked the Bugatti even harder?? Insane.
By at least 1 second, if not 2.
Well yeah they did, have you watch their run in Nevada highway?
@Valkyrie 007 If you dont care why you even bother research then?
@Valkyrie 007 You do you, Mr. Investigator
Christian von Koenigsegg is an absolute genius. I love his interviews. Very inspirational man who defied the car world
If they where tested on the same track, the Agera would have easly cut off another 2 seconds. More grip during acceleration and braking. Not to mention the Regera will be even quicker from 0-400. It even out-powers the Chiron. 1500hp and 2150nm torque.
The gearshifts alone would save another 2 seconds or so total. Since the Regera doesn't have a gearbox, it will be close to peak power in the 300-400 so I expect them to go for the 30 second mark. Also traction control is much better with electric motors so there's another 2 seconds in the 0-100. Regenerative braking may help during the braking part.
srinitaaigaura So what you are saying is that what Bugatti was proud to achieve in about 40 seconds, Koenigsegg could do in about 30? Wow.
srinitaaigaura 30 sec is a bit nonsence since air resistance is too great and electric power has nothing to do with more traction it just gives instant torque and launches quickly
They confirmed themselfs a while ago that the Regera could go from 0-400 quicker. Meanwhile Koenigsegg broke this record already going from 0-400-0 in just 33.87 sec. And top speed average of 277.9 mph with a top reached of 287.
Electric motors let you control traction much quicker, thus effectively getting more useful traction out of the tires.
Comparing with the 0-300-0km/h record run done with the One:1 (0-300km/h in 11.92s) I have no doubt that Koenigsegg could do the 0-400-0km/h in sub 35s with better track conditions.
Their own test track in Ängelholm is far from perfect too.
they did the 0-400-0 on an old ww2 airfield in denmark
Yeah they did but the 0-300 in the One:1 was in Ängelholm :)
Patrik Johansson their "track in sweden is an old jetfighter airfield.
Yeah, I know...
I’m quite aware of their test track since I built the engine in the first 0-300-0km/h world record car (red Agera R #7086)...
The meaning of my comment was to say that the track surface at Vandel Airfield in Denmark where the 0-400-0km/h record was set must’ve been very slippery since the time 0-300km/h set in Ängelholm (where the surface also is far from perfect) was much quicker.
So with a grippy strip to drive on, sub 35s should be a walk in the park!
The original plan was to do it at papenburg test track. That surface is probably closer to ehra-lessein. Would be so interesting to se that result!
Counting pixels, now that is some dedication for making a youtube video.
2 dislikes must be Bugatti’s
Nope, all the dislikes are from egg's engineers. We lost out at low RMP eh? Time to unveil the 100:one!
Raymond Low One of them is salomondrin
Actually I see that the Bugatti was winning 75% of the race. I think it did better than the Agera RS. It made me like the Bugatti more.
Aluisio Fernandes da Silva Junior Provide Koenigsegg the super smooth Bugatti track and then see the results
Sagar Sarker, on the track? Like the Koenigsegg on Top Gear track or the One:1 two time in Nordschleife? lol
That black and orange Koenigsegg Agera looks so nice 👌🏻i love these breakdown videos btw man!
thats the agera rs, the car that broke bugattis record
Now do a “How Bugatti Chiron managed to reach 304 mph and beat Koenigsegg”. Thanks
240 more horsepower and no massive wing. There's the entire video
They mod it.
Eh, doesn't seem worth it cuz who knows what Koenigsegg will do next month
@Bugatti Chiron Supersport lmao
I didn't even remember this the month after I said that. Didn't hear anything about it these past 2 years either, so I guess nothing happened lol
I think that nowdays what's mostly limiting these cars is tyre technology, because they have a lot more to offer than we can expect
As an engineer, I love how you broke it down using the specific variables that go into formulas for drag. I think few people realize the relationship between velocity and drag is to the power of 2. It would also be interesting to find out from the two manufacturers what the drag coefficients are. Liked this.
I really never understood this whole craze about koenisgsegg "destroying" bugatti. The cars are clearly not designed for the same purpose. The Chiron is a car made to be a luxury car which gives as much as possible driving sensations when the agera rx is clearly a beast made for records. The fact is that these cars are both marvels of engineering. Seeing the bugatti reach these heights of technicity is wonderful. Seeing that agera achieve such a record is wonderful. I really don't understand that "agera is better than the chiron" or that "the chiron is better than the agera" fanboy battle. As fellow car enthousiasts or engineering enthousiasts we should all be claping our hands before such deeds and cheer for engineers so that they keep doing such good work so that the car industry reaches new heights !
Koenigsegg interior is more luxurious
Filip Olofsson I don't really think that having beams appearing in a car is that luxurious in my opinion
Shock because they have no one else to compete with.
They have the Regera for that,it is fittted with many luxury components too.
I think what else explains the similar braking times, even though the Koenigsegg is 700kg lighter, is that the track grip that caused a 4+ second 0-60 time also dramatically decreased braking grip. I had hoped you would cover that in the video
I think because they still won at braking even with that wet surface disadvantage that he forgot they had a disadvantage in that situation to begin with, lol. Small oversight.
Yeah this was more a vid on how the segg did it then why it beat the bugatti cuz he missed gearing,whp vs crank hp,major weight difference,bugatti having wider tires for breaking and more but still a good vid
Bugatti has an air brake.
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If Koenegsegg invested in full electric rather than hybrids that would be cool .
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do note.. Koenigsegg used the Agera and not the top model, Regera.... they could potentially improve it even more...
The One:1 is the top model it tops out somewhere around 440, where as the Regera tops right at 400
The one:1 has way more aero than the normal car. I think it wouldn't go faster
yeah The one has more downforce slowing it down at the high speeds, but makes it quicker around the track
no regera is a lot more heavy (1.6 tons), but they can improve by make a 0-100 kph in 2.4 sec (the natural time for a one:1)
the car used for the record has a one:1 engine in it but the chassis is agera.
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The 304 mph run wasnt a production car , it was heavily modified . Let's see what the jesko will do
@@paulthomson9709 how bout regera? nvr see what regera capable of yet
@@jasonelli is the regera not limited to top speed though ?
@@paulthomson9709 if you geared it differently then maybe but idk
@@paulthomson9709 it was modified but they are gonna make 30 units of this so it is technically a production car
Well Bugatti just became first production vehicle to break 300mph. Of course they do with brute force, I still admire Koneigsegg for it's focus on lightweight construction and radical rethinking of engines and drivetrain. The really impressive thing is Michelin being able to make a tire that can take the astronomical forces that come into play at those speeds.
My physics professor said I can ignore air resistance so I don't see what the problem is. /s
you need a new teacher
Very wishy-washy approximate but above about 50mph, air resistance becomes increasingly significant the faster you go.
I.E. for low speeds air does not act as a viscous fluid in a significant manner so you can ignore it.
Maybe he was pointing that out for low speed problems (ex.
1970HondaCL100 ignoring air resistance over a certain speed is completely wrong. Considering air resistance, you get a "top speed" called terminal speed, depending on the object, that can't be topped just by falling. If you don't consider air resistance, though, there is no limit besides the ground (and light speed, but then relativity starts doing it's thing and it gets complicated) to the speed you can achieve by freefalling.
The problem is your teacher
Gear ratios would have been interesting to include. The Bugatti top gear could be modified to allow greater 300-400
Maybe you should make a new vid, How Koenigsegg Destroyed their old record.
New numbers and WR: 277.9 MPH 'official record over two passes with a top of over 287 mph'. 0-400-0 KPH at 33.87 seconds.
No need for a video to explain how, they ran on a better road condition, that's it
i dont know where you found 287 miles but on koenigsegg website they claimed 284
I can not understand why so many commentators are assuming a condescending attitude with the notion that "well at least the Chiron is a more refined automobile." Really? Accomodations are cramped. Luggage space is nonexistent. Visibility to the rear is at a premium. Interior esthetic, much like its exterior, has the appearance that only Liberace would love.
Great video as always
That was quite good analysis. Thank you.
I believe that if the Agera RS had AWD (even with the added weight), it would be much quicker off the line then the current RWD.
2017-2018 cars are moving towards All-Wheel-Drive, and even All-Wheel-Steering.
I can't wait to see what happens next year.
No one cared about Bugatti's record other than Bugatti fanboys
Dawud Miah what I meant by that is the record meant nothing, because people that know Koenigsegg, know that Koenigsegg would be the winner
VW probably tried to cheat anyway. /s
@@kdkd693
WIth what? Now allowing Koenigsegg use their test track?
@Valkyrie 007 No they didn't. Just uneducated people thought they did it.
No one cared about Koenigsegg's record other than Koinegsegg fanboys
Bugatti: i can 0-400-0 in just 42 sec.
Koenigsegg: Hold my beer...
Time to look at the 490kmh/300mph Chiron
Thanks a million for the metrics dude!
You answered questions I didn't even know I had, awesome bro
These videos are beautiful with both the numbers and the cars, instant like 👍
Great video. Long time fan here too. I saw a video id like you to explain, its called the compressed air supercharger. Like nos, they have air tanks in the trunk, but what makes it better is you can lean our the fuel more without detonating. Theres also no power loss unlike turbo, supercharger or centrifugal. They have it set up so the throttle body closes at wide open throttle and the engine runs completely off the tanks at 130psi. Could it be the next big thing? How does the system really work?
I'm not EE, but I can tell you it's only going to be useful on a drag strip in very limited circumstances. At 130 psi, a two liter engine turning at 6,000 rpm consumes a little over 29.5 cubic feet of air per second. A size H oxygen cylinder, which holds just under 250 cubic feet of oxygen and weighs around 110 pounds empty, would run out in 8.45 seconds. That's plenty of time for a pass at a drag strip, and obviously your engine wouldn't be turning 6,000 rpm the entire time, but I feel like it illustrates how limited this sort of setup is.
turbocharger can maintain 130psi for the whole race, whenever compressed air will have reduced power very quickly
36 seconds is astonishing, and to think that the number will certainly continue to go down. Humans are capable of anything!
Yo, my dude, you'd be a great physics teacher. You could make physics a lot more interesting for younger people and inspire them to go into STEM.
Bugatti claims their Super Sport prototype could exceed 500kph in Nevada, where Konigsegg set the Guiness two-way top speed record, due to lower air drag at higher altitude. But thinner air also means less oxygen to combust fuel, so lower power. EE: please make a video on the effect of elevation on power loss and air resistance!
Many said carbon monocoque is the future, yet in some cases they still reinforce it with (old trusty) steel tube. Can you make videos about this?
“counting pixels”. I do this all the time. A little image processing goes a long ways. It should only make you nervous if you haven’t tested your code or if you don’t trust the source of the data (companies can mess up in displaying data).
You mentioned near the end of the video the power loss from having to power all four wheels that the Bugatti has to overcome. Would it possible/practical to have an efficient system that could power all four wheels until a certain speed (or some other more ideal variable), and then only power the rear wheels after? Are there any systems like this that exist (other than the selector that 4 wheel drive vehicles have that typically have to occur at a stop)? It would obviously need to perform the switch incredibly quickly.
VinBadaBing the Nissan GT-R can send 100% to the rear wheels if it makes sense to do based on conditions.
VinBadaBing there are systems that can to that (disconnecting shafts). Though none developed for those power levels.
Not completely eliminating the drawback of awd, but reducing the effects. For example you still have the extra weight to accelerate and some extra parts to get rotating (which will eat away some of the power on its way to the ground)
Engineering Explained the new M5 too
Ford Focus RS mk3 does exactly that on higher speeds
Skyline GTR R32 started doing this brilliantly by moving torque to the front axle when the rear started sliping. Most such systems work sending torque to the rear axle now-a-days, being FF normally when grip is enough.
Obviously, for the 0-400 km/h acceleration aerydynamics is the main factor that counts. But even for owners of these cars there are rare opportunities to reach these speed levels. So focussing on acceleration in the 0-100 or 0-200 km/h range is more rewarding for car makers and their customers. The part on the braking performance is also intriguing! Before that, I had a higher esteem of air braking systems.
Regardless I still love the look of the Chiron, and heard it's a dream to drive and easy to drive. It has a more classy look of a luxury car and I prefer that.
"Classy look of a luxury car"
Who says that Agera RS is not a luxury car, but just a lightweight track car like 911 GT3? Christian said even though Agera RS is a track car it also has creature comforts
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@Valkyrie 007 Meh, the only Bugatti I like is EB110, the modern Bugattis are basically bloated VW Beetle
I have no idea what all those complex mathematical computations example, but it sounds so interesting. Better punch at lower legal speeds. Money maker.
If you had this presentation in the 1980's they would've lost their minds 😂
Actually the manufacturer declared horsepower in cars is always measured at the wheels, so the AWD drive train power loss is already accounted for.
"So I counted the pixels." - Jayson/Engineering Explained, 2017
Lmao
Suck it Bugatti. Konigs are the top dogs on "drag time" performance. PS: thanks for the METRIC data!!! PS: Konig braking performance was compromissed due the WW2 concrete tarmac. PS3: is not the best practice to state on witch car "I'd get more fun", different flavors, I'd go to the Konig fun but other would choose the Bugatti fun.
Makes you wonder about the cam profiles. It would seem the Koenigsegg is ground to work with the variable turbos to make more power on the top end.
Koenigsegg has A Camless engine
Gearing my friend koenigsegs a 6 speed bugatti 7 meaning 4th to 6th gear is where the bugatti is set to climb slower this explains a lil bit why the car is slower then the koenigsegg or its one of the factors
Check out Koenigsegg's freevalve technology. Its very cool.
No it doesn't they are developing the "Free Valve" technology but not using it in the road cars they sell.
Koenigsegg's 0-400-0 time is the best clap back ever.
Can you calculate the time the Agera would take under perfect conditions?
Think about that, it takes 9 seconds to stop if you're going 400kms per hour. Think how far away you would have to be looking while driving that fast. I think you would get tunnel vision.
The main difference is the weight, and that lower weight in the Agera would cause it to slip easier from 0, but 4.1 to 100 is very bad for it. I don't understand why with all the control they put in place to do the run that they never made sure the (track) conditions were better.
because they didn't need to
That is the worst reply.... ever.
The main difference is 2WD vs. 4WD. The Bugatti does not need perfect conditions to be quick.
@William Charles Frederick Grover-Williams Imagine a Singer Porsche 911 :-) The best of the best in sportscars.
@William Charles Frederick Grover-Williams Singer Porsche is actually made in USA. But of course based on the real Porsche 964. Just improved a lot. And super expensive...
For years this battle back and forth between Koenigsegg and Bugatti has been one slightly beating the other just after. I love the W16 engine because of it's complexity, but Koenigsegg is such a relatively small company invested in itself and most of its accomplishments are in-house. Bugatti has been in the game a lot longer - some 85-years longer. And they have partner sources in the automotive industry. Koenigsegg got my attention when it came out with the CC8S. A twin-supercharged Ford 4.7L V8 designed powerhouse in an highly engineered and crafted chassis. What ultimately sold me on Koenigsegg was when they developed their own engine. For me, a car manufacture has arrived when it's engineering its own engines. While I have to say they "kind of cheated" a little bit because the engine is actually built by Grainger and Worrall, it's a specific engine for their car so that's still their engine as far as I'm concerned. And then the CCXR, which was "environmental" but really, E100 fuel making 1018hp was the only thing that truly mattered. It was the CCXR if I recall that first put the smackdown on the Bugatti Veyron that forced them to come out with a new Super Sport variant of the Veyron to lash back. Hah. =) These two manufactures can go at it and force each other to inch closer and closer to an even faster production car for as long as they'd like. I will just sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labour. Kind of. It's not as if I get to drive them. ;|
You know what !! Agera's test was just for fun !!
Regera is coming guys !! Just wait
Tejas Kulahalli Regera's would be slower actually so..
@@ahabzbehsvqb3709 oh yeah, terrible prediction mate !!
So, It might also be worth to mention that the number for the One:1 significantly improves on the 0 to 300 values showing the importance of grip. There is massive room for improvement here and another two seconds should be possible to shave of.
Clearly Koenigseggs own track, to short for 400, has much better grip. And judging by Bugattis own video their track is in exemplary condition.
Just my 2c.
Absolutely - they should all head-off to Bonneville or Hakskeen Paan and have a race...
TO ALL NEW PEEPS COMMENTING. BUGGATI REACHED 304MPH IN A MODDED CHIRON NOT A STOCK PRODUCTION ONE. LOL
@FFT Leopard Then technically Ford GT did it before Bugatti.
0-60mph in about the same time as a 2011 Ford Mustang GT 5.0! Good job, Koenigsegg!
Would you say the koeniggsegg would be able to break harder on a better surface too? I guess especially from 200-0 where tire friction matters more then maximum braking power this would make a big difference...
Yes but bugatti breaks better due to its tire size and width not just the strong brakes
It also has an air-brake. But it weighs more than the Sun.
i love that koenigsegg basically did a mini launch burnout and still beat the speed record
In my next life,... (when i can afford toys like these) I would totally be a Koenigsegg guy!
and just a lof ot wheel spin
I really enjoyed how you broke this down like a play by play of what was happening. Your channel is actually one of the reasons I'm about to drop Accounting and go into Mechanical Engineering.
Thanks for the videos and the wonderful information.
I wonder how a 4wd Koenigsegg would perform. 4wd adds weight and increases power loss, but the Koenigsegg is so light, it should afford the extra weight and friction.
Get the new Roadster instead.
@@mcplutt nobody cares
@@gracesylee5916 ok
600kg is such a huge difference in weight. That's almost a whole 90s car!
so what you are saying is that Koenigsegg would have done that way better if they had the same track conditions as Bugatti...
I'm in an engineering school , and i think that many of these schools lost the idea of teaching maths and physics for A PURPOSE , you don't really know what they are useful for..
Based on those numbers can you hypothetically guess what the Koenigsegg 0-400-0 time would be if there were no traction issues?
Id guess 0-400-0 in 32.4 seconds and 0-400kph in 24 seconds not the claimed 20 or less but close enough
How much difference do you reckon the slightly improved engine made in the Agera? Would the version that the customer could buy still be faster than the Chiron?
Customers can also order the Agera RS with the same 1MW engine used here. It's optional.
Vili-Robert Hietala ahh okay, thanks for the reply!
One thing about the Chiron/Veyron is it seems inefficient. I don't remember the actual numbers, but lots of radiators, turbochargers etc that add weight and bulk to get a 10% advantage in power but a huge weight penalty. And really, it seems to me the Chiron is simply an incremental improvement over the Veyron, nothing really new. Koenigsegg send to be trying new stuff all the time. They should try an all wheel drive version. In a road car, for acceleration, you can't beat all wheel drive, all other things equal.
PS GREAT VIDEO
11 radiators brah
3 for the engine
2 for the water intercooler
1 for the oil
1 for the transmission
1 for the A/c
1 for the differential
And 2 for the shock absorbers
😵😵😵😵
What?! The Chiron is a reliable car that can run 25 hours straight in full throttle because of the radiators, it's not a kit car with a dragster V8. Actually the Chiron has more full working technology than the Agera RS: Haldex gen. VI AWD transmission, Aero Braking, Internal Active Aero Funneling System.
General Eisenhower , arguments?
General Eisenhower, I know the Koenigsegg since the Audi and Ford engines, since the Top Gear track or the Nurburgring crash. Thank you!
AWD systems are heavier than RWD systems though, which is why Koenigsegg picked RWD to save weight.
I would say with that wheel spin,The Bugatti was finally Shat on..
Thinking what the hell the Regera will do!!
I still think that Koenigsegg has a lot more to offer
And I also kept thinking that the Bugatti is AWD whilst the Koenigsegg is RWD
"And I also kept thinking that the Bugatti is AWD whilst the Koenigsegg is RWD"
Well yeah, they are
Awesome video. Missed these vids a lot these days. That Agera time for 0to 60 is it correct??? 4 seconds is pretty slow for such an exotic car. Isn't it??
Yathu prem it can do it under 3 sec but in good conditions..the agera couldnt put all the power down to the road so lots of wheelspin slower 0-60 time
+Yathu prem yes, they had wheel slip so the 60 time is not all that impressive.
So if the conditions were better they can reduce the 0-400-0 time more?
Yathu prem most likely yes
You can see in the video of the run that they are struggling to keep the car straight, and on the graphic you actually see it lose some speed at some point due to that.
Also, it makes no sense for a car to be faster from 100 to 200 that from 0 to 100.
What it is even more amazing is that Koenigsegg didnt use their fastest cars because if they used the One:1 or the Regera...
Were you a physics teacher?
Saiprasad Alva yeah he retired a few years ago
Saiprasad Alva nope, just some fool blabbering on the internet hoping people will watch. :)
Engineering Explained we do brother we do..
Engineering Explained Hahahhaha this got me Dead?
Engineering Explained Yeah you are right
I think the Agera would be more enjoyable to drive. Because in Chiron I would still think about those damn fast wearing tyres that I have to replace for 40.000€...
Wheelspins are fun ;)
Can you do a new/update video on this since Koenigsegg just set a new world record under better conditions
why am watching this i dnt even have a car 🤔
Love your vids man, keep up the great work.
Why would they even publish these figures with such track conditions. 0-100 4.15s.. lol chances are they could shave another 2-6s from the up to 400 time
Because they wanted to take the spotlight away from Bugatti as fast as possible
I always enjoy your vids man, thanx
Yeah not to mention the egg looks a million times better than the VW beetle
It does
As a VW owner, i will fight you on the street.
Appreciating work my frnd....
This buggati is not the beast like konisage
Hoonicorn Boi konisage
Orachi sorry its konisegg
Still not right. It's "Koenigsegg". It's in the title.
Jason. I have watched all of your videos from the beginning. I have learned so much from your style of teaching. You are doing God's work in the car community. Thanks brother!!!
KÖÖÖÖÖÖNIGSEGG
Everyone's forgetting: Stock motor vs modified motor : Hello?
Sweden = tribe of Naphtali, the tribe known for being swift like a deer and probably where the fabled gods of Hermes/Mercury came from.
Memories
is the koeningsegg street legal
Oh yes
yes
Not the car they used to do the test run. They used a modified version of the Agera RS.
what are you goin on about. the car used for the record is a clients car. the car is modified as in modified with options the costumer demanded. Those being the engine of the one:1 and a removable roll cage.
Those are option you have when ordering the car.
So ya it is street legal.
Rex Regum Bugatti fanboy spotted
Very nice video! Just the analysis i was looking for :D
Kind of an unfair comparison if you ask me, considering how much heavier the Chiron is. It's heavier not because Bugatti can't make it lighter. They are a brand funded by one of the biggest car manufacturerers in the world, they can afford the R&D time. They got the engineers. Its so much heavier because Bugattis are touring cars, they are suppose to be insanely luxurious. They are supposed to drive like an S class Mercedes. It's supposed to be an every day car. The Koenigsegg is a race car and has 1 aspect it needs to be good at.
It's a self imposed limitation as you pointed out, they also claim they are the fastest street legal car. Top speed maybe, but in this particular test they are not. The quality of the materials mean nothing as this was a simple 0-400-0 race. Nowhere was there a comparison of cabin quality etc.
lol! The Chiron definitely can save a lot of weight if they want to sacrifice the safety, the reliability, the comfort, the ride quality, the engine smoothness to the same level of the Agera RS. They can remove the Haldex AWD system, the Active Aero Braking, the Active Internal Aero Funneling, boost up the turbos pressure, remove the high quality leather. It would be exactly like the Agera RS but faster.
Aluisio Fernandes da Silva Junior Isnt the chiron a grand tourer that is extremely fast. Also the w16 is much smoother than the 5.0 tt v8.
badboy 25 , you're totally right!
+AluminumHaste exactly, in this particular test. But people are immediately hopping on the hate train saying how Koenigsegg is the best and fastest car ever while 'Egg still hasn't beaten Bugatti in any other speed aspect.
OK... this was a very serious vid!!! But you're so easy to understand!!! Thankyou! This channel is a time investment!
It’s still impressive for the Bugatti imo, the Chiron is more of a luxury car than koenigsegg plus the koenigsegg was modified
the dude thinks that because it didnt have the base engine model it was "modified". Well guess what, mashed potato, when you buy a koenigsegg you actually have different engines to choose between, and thats another reason why Koenigsegg is so awesome.
Well don't forget the Bugatti is the top of the line. Koenigsegg didn't even use the lighter and more ridged One:1 which is what's really embarrassing for Bugatti.
Necrosis3 And this is Bugatti's latest creation, while the One:1 has been out for some years and Koenigsegg's latest car can go 0-400 in under 20 seconds
I love your videos! My wife and I always watch something before we crash. With one of these she is out in 2 minutes and I can keep watching your vids!
3 years left for me to drive SOOO excited!
Please let the fact that they both took nearly half kilometers to stop sink in before you start driving.
On the other hand, driving your own car is a symbol of freedom. Freedom is THE most important thing to human race. It does come with some responsibilities, but nothing a real man can't handle.
TheRealBRUH it's piss
i am 14 years old still i drive in the palce where i live...
because its a free colony without any cops
catsspat Freedom to pay for fuel, maintenance and insurance. No thanks Jeff.
I have 4 years..😑
This is awesome, keep up the good work!