I completely understand people complaining that this was effectively an informercial for Hankook Ion tires. But, it was also generally informative about why a person should purchase EV specific tires. The balancing of demands must be adjusted just like an engineer would for racing tires for rally versus Formula 1. I do wonder how those features will age as the tire wears.
Another difference comparing EVs to ICE is the low centre of gravity of an EV, which seems to load the tyres differently. I fitted Hankooks last autumn to my 'classic' 2016 Model S, just before I travelled down to southern Italy for 6 weeks. I'd had Pirellis and Michelins before. The Hankooks are everything they claim, better grip, easily more efficient and notably quieter. They are also wearing well. I'm planning to fit some of their new FlexiClimate tyres before I head back down to Italy at the end of November. It'll be good to see how they compare to the iON Evos.
@@musakoca2684 I have a 2015 model s 85d with 250,000 kms, last time i worked it out about a year ago my battery was at 90% SOH , i guess it it now at about 87-90% i can see a displayed 400kms on a full charge, more like 250kms real range when driving on motorway at 130kmh, dropping to 120kmh increases range significantly, maybe 300kms. I supercharge the hell out of it as it is our long range EV, and has free supercharging. hope that helps?
One thing I would have liked to see would be a BLIND test. Cover the names on the tires so the driver doesn't know which ones are on the car. Otherwise there is far too much self-bias - you WANT the tyres to behave better, so you subconsciously drive better. I know you think you drove the same, but you control your subconscious. The other thing I would have liked to see would be for you to NOT KEEP SAYING THE NAME OF THE TYRES WRONG. It says CONTACT not CONNECT.
@@apb3251 ECC has to earn money, and I don't mind from time to time some infomercials, but of course that I prefer the original videos, very informative and awesome. Perhaps with some product placement would be also fine 😉 BTW: This video would have been more useful with a decibel meter inside the car to see the difference between tyres 👍👍
@@deltajohnny sort of agree but they make money from the conversion of cars, the UA-cam channel is an advert for their business and passion, but they also make some money from UA-cam and it’s a bit cheeky to not state the latest video is most likely a paid for advert for Hankook.
@@apb3251 Fully agree, and I'm sure that they earn decent money from the conversions, as their work is top notch 👏👏👏 About the UA-cam channel, it's OK to earn some extra money, but this type of videos is too commercial... if there were more common, I would not like it at all... About the paid ad, if I remember correctly, the first time that I saw it, it appeared briefly the typical sentence at the beginning indicating that there was a paid promotion or something like that? BTW: I'm Spanish, so please excuse if my English is not perfect 😅😅
Same here - Michelins (twice) on our Leaf and now Continentals on our Ioniq. EV- specific tyres weren't even available at the beginning. The all seasons tyres we bought this year and last year are labelled 'EV ready'. One difference I've noticed is that you can run these ones at the recommended pressures. The ones that weren't designed with EVs in mind at all needed to be run at 45psi our they wore really quickly on the shoulders. Couldn't take the weight. I see that Hankook do make an EV- specific all season tyre that fits some Korean cars (new Kia EV3 at least), but they're noisier and have more rolling resistance than the Continentals, and there's no information yet about their performance on cold/wet/icy/ snowy roads.
@@zackh7450 Yes, I think that would be very dangerous, and probably illegal. In icy or snowy conditions (and probably dry conditions below 5-6C), that one tyre would grip much better than the others, which could cause you to lose control of the car when cornering or braking. You should at least change 2 tyres at the same time (either front or rear), and it's definitely better to replace all 4 at once.
I always look forward to your videos but was disappointed in this one as it was an infomercial. Surely a more useful comparison of tyres would be to see what improvement was gained in putting EV specific ones on a car that had non-EV specifics on.
Low rolling resistance tires are low grip tires. This is very important to be aware of. As long as the weight rating is OK the tire is OK to use. Michalin pro climate plus are my favourite all weather tires.
But my road tyres on my Land Rover have lower rolling resistance and more grip than my off road tyres. 🤷♂️ There’s more to rolling resistance than grip. 👍
Ooh, it's my car. Well, in blue. ID3 though. I remember when Hankook tyres were new to the UK. There was quite a bit of suspicion from the Michelin, Goodyear, etc diehards. And in a few respects, rightly so. But it didn't take Hankook that long, what 10-15 years [?] and they're now absolutely firmly established. Good tyres.
i switched to Hankook ions for my 2015 models S a few years ago, they seem to last a bit longer, I was getting 30,000kms on old tyres and now seem to get 50,000kms. I'm In French alps so my tyres get a pounding with all the mountain roads i use, I'm sure you could get more life out of tyres in a flatter area. They do make a noticeable difference in efficiency especially when travelling at lower speeds, in town and normal roads, on motorways the difference seem less than at lower speeds maybe due to aero drag being a more significant factor at higher speeds. All our family all seemed to think they were quieter than old tyres. overall I would recommend them.
Interesting video Richard, I must admit I have had Hankook tyres on my company ICE cars and found them very safe to drive on. Tyre life was comparable to other brands at 25k rear and 40k front on average. Ride quality and tyre noise were also probably better than the competitors. 👍🏴😎
I really like Hankook. They don't make any iON in the size of the Zoe, so I got the Ventus Prime 4 summer and Winter i*cept RS3 winter tyres. Really efficient and comfortable tyres, don't regret buying from them. All Michelins that I had always felt too stiff. Had the S1 Evo3 on a Megane RS, and those tyres made the car more comfortable and less noisy on longer journeys compared to the Bridgestones it came with.
I appreciate the "test" of these two tires. ("Tires" not "tyres" 'cause I'm a 'Murkin. Please don't hold that against me. 🙃) I'd like to point out a few things: 1. It's good that you did the runs on the same day so there is less variability in weather. Problem is you made the out run on one set of tires and the run back on the other set. If the trip is generally more uphill in one direction that the other, that would easily affect the energy economy numbers. 2. The "test" was one run on each set of tires. Granted, this is prob not meant to be an exhaustive test, but making at least several runs on each set of tires in both directions, throwing out the best and worst numbers and averaging the rest would produce a more "real" result. I'm a bit of a geek so I obsessively record every bit of info from my 2011 LEAF every time I plug it in: date, time, temperature, trip length, average trip speed, energy economy, charging time, etc. In the early years of my LEAF ownership, I have used two EV-specific tires. Since, I've run high performance summer tires. The hundreds of data points from each set of tires showed that there is barely any differences between the different tires! Indeed, there was barely any differences between different tire pressures: the OEM 36 psi versus 44 psi! My theory is that there are probably differences between tires and pressures, but they are small relative to other variables: weather, road condition/traction, imprecision in how the car is driven, terrain, the level of blinker fluid 🙃, etc.
Tyres do make a difference! When I bought my Zoe it had original Michelin Energy tires and I would get around 4.5 Miles per KWH in the winter and 5+ in warmer times, I replaced them with Michelin E-Primacy last year near the start of the year and I have rarely get close to 5 KWH now. I spoke with a Hankook rep at Everything Electric South and keep looking but so far they havnet released tires for smaller EV's
Rounding the m/kWh to 1 decimal place gives a huge possible variation in percentage improvement. Due to rounding, at worst it’s around 2.5%; at best it’s almost 9%. Plus the weather will have a huge effect on efficiency, with wipers, demisting, etc causing a wide variation in power consumption
The boot is virtually the same size, assuming you don't want to carry a spare wheel in your id.3. And if you do choose to carry a spare wheel in your id.3 it's not a big boot at all. I'm guessing smaller. (Note: I have an id.3 and carry a spare - I don't know the golf boot or whether its spare cavity is in addition to the quoted litres.)
@Rich-on6fe having looked at both boots in person, the ID.3 boot definitely has more usable space. The GTE boot is quite compromised by the hybrid battery.
As an ex Repelli engineer I can tell you the only difference with ev and ic tyres is that the ev ones are of stronger construction and in the case of Repelli have sound deadening material under the tread because noise is more noticeable. The whys of stronger construction is that the loadings are higher on an ev due to the weight. The tread materials are generally of a high silicon content which gives better wear results.
We have an ID.3 1st Edition which came with Continental tyres. We do relatively low mileages and it was important for us to have more grip in wintry conditions. We swapped out to Michelin Cross climate 2 tyres fully expecting a drop in overall miles/kWh. Our efficiency overall has risen slightly and we average 4.1 miles/kWh over a year. Given that we will be unlikely to change the tyres for 3 or 4 years I would hope that Hankook are producing a similar tyre to the Michelin Cross Climate 2's by then. I did note that your ID.3 is on 18 inch rims whereas ours is on 19's. The smaller rim is usually slightly more efficient. As for the ID.3: we are very satisfied with it and have no plans to swap it any time soon although ours does have a trim rattle in the rear somewhere. Boohoo VW!. If you are buying used Tim be sure that the software is at version 3.2 (a dealer upgrade) and if possible, find one with a heat pump. The heater does eat range if you are driving mainly short local runs. Having said this, if you have charging at home then it's fine.
Nice segment sir- appreciate you working to introduce and explain some of the tire options open to us sceptical of the bright sparks in tire marketing selling a bill of goods. In my case, more range for my Mini SE’s pretty sad 180ish km universe would be very welcome. Even 5%! On the subject of noise measurement, I thought I’d try to capture the difference in ambient interior sound in your car for each tire by running your video on a laptop and using a decibel app on my phone. Same volume setting, same distance from the speakers. (My spouse as it happens specializes in acoustics for the aviation industry and could hardly stifle her scorn at my low rent project, giving me a grocery list of faults with my methodology but nevermind her meddlesome naysaying….onwards!) The upshot is I measured 70.4 dB out of the speakers during your 50mph run for the first set of tires and 68.7 for the Hankooks. Granted it was hard to find more than a second or two of footage without you gents yakking - lol. Submitted for your consideration and worth about what ya paid for it…😎
I love Hankook tyres, been using them for years....on ICE cars. However, with our Nissan Leaf I was surprised at the huge price hike for EV/ECO tyres. Unless I get twice the mileage out of them it just doesn't make sense.
Interesting video. However, it may have been worth adding a few more fields in your conclusion, for instance, price, wear and availability are something I found important when buying EV tyres. It's great having a super efficient, high performance set of tyres which are very quiet, but if they costs a fortune and only last for a few thousand miles they aren't for me. Hope to see a few more similar videos in the future. 👍
EV tyres are generally more efficient that even the best non EV-specific tyres but you can't run a control test this way - the conditions have to be EXACTLY the same. Even if you back to back the test on the same tyres over exactly the same course in the same conditions the second run will be more efficient - your battery pack has warmed up and a warm battery is more effcient than a cold one. FYI the "A" for wet performance is based on wet stopping distance - there are some complaints aroud that the Hankook Ion tyres are not the best for wet cornering and more susceptible to aquaplaning than non-EV tyres or even other EV specific styres such as the Michelin PS4 EV or Continental eContact.
It was predominantly the wheel size that helped. The tires were the same and the aftermarket wheels were if anything less aero in design (so would be worse at the OEM diameter).
Great channel, usually! Leave tyre assessing to those that do it properly.....and those that do, mainly conclude that EV specific tyres are more of a compromise than a benefit. But you & Hankook probably know that. Pretty poor !
Hello. My only question about this comparison test would be, were the "old" tyres a brand new set as well? If they had done several thousand miles, surely the wear and tear would have some effect on noise and even rolling resistance? We all know that brand new tyres make a car feel quieter and more "perky" so I would ask you to re-run the test, if you could. But, brilliant content, thank you!
I have a 2021 VW ID.4 1st Edition in the US and the OEM Bridgestone tires wore out int 15,000 miles. Then I put on Pirelli winter tires and they lasted about the same. Pirelli non-winter stood up a little better and came with a mileage warranty. I am now on Hankook ION SUV EV with warranty. Fingers crossed.
Driving in London ive replaced about 3 tires this year all Michelin ev tires each costing over 120, wondering if i can just start fitting normal tires when i get skrews in them?( Also is it true u need the same tire replaced for balance or is that just a myth?)
When I bought my new car - Hyundai 1.4lt Getz GSI Automatic - in 2006, it came with Hankook tyres. Not only were they very noisy, they didn't wear well, so I swapped them for something with a better Noise Rating. I'm going to need to change my tyres before the next MOT, so I'm wondering is these EV tyres are worth putting on my car, to try to improve the handling and fuel consumption. Russ. Hampshire.
Considering rounding errors the mileage could well be about only 0.1 Miles/KWh appart as well as 0.3 Miles/KWh ? ... in the worst case rounding errors possibly ending up being twice as high as the actual difference. If it is just 3.449 to 3.55 that would mean a difference of 2.9% ... adding different "driving pleasures" to it, as well as slight changes in speed, acceleration profiles, wind speeds,.. and what not more... Love your videos and work in general, but this video is too "close" to a commercial for me this time, though still entertaining.
Over the decades, we’ve seen plenty of ICE takes, with anything from V6 to V12 lumps, on the ‘classic’ milk float. I’d love to see what you could do with one.
Would it not be better to compare same spec EV and non EV tyres?. E.g Hankook Ventus S1 Evo 3 - They have them as standard and EV (EV ones +70 quid each) Both A/B/A rating. Is the EV 69dB rolling noise quieter than the non EV 69dB? Does the EV A rating use less energy than the non EV A rating? Otherwise I still don't know if EV tyres are worth!
Sorry not loving this content. Feels too forced and fake. A lot of the comparisons apply to all tyres not just does for EV and even then there will be various flavours in just the EV sector. I think (might be wrong) it’s a paid for endorsement and if it isn’t declared is a breach of UA-cam T&Cs even if the tyres have been given for free and you got no money
Just saw a video on Vanity Fair's youtube channel about Dev Patel's 1970s Fiat 500 converted into electric. He mentioned about "Amazing guy in Wales who changes classic cars into into electric vehicle". Was it you who did the conversion?
Surely to make a true mpg comparison you would have to put normal tyres on at some point to see if it’s just sales BS to try & tell you that you need EV tyres & not just off the shelf tyres?. I would just put normal tyres on
Have you ever driven any significant distance in Wales? I have. All those hills and narrow winding roads, hammer you fuel consumption something cruel, so it's not surprising the miles per Kwh were so low... especially if you have to do a lot of stop/start driving, which is common in Wales. That figure would have been better, if he hadn't been carrying a passenger; as I know from my own experiences. The more people, the worse the fuel consumption.
@@russbetts1467 All that you say is true if the vehicles involved were ICE powered by fossil fuel, but they weren't. They were EVs where stop/start driving is an advantage as it allows for regenerative braking, and the same applies to hills on the way down. Doh! As for the passenger, well if they had been a morbidly obese americano, then it would make sense, but a normal size UK adult with weight in proportion to height would be negligible.
@@grahamcook9289 You don't get back 100% of the energy you spent ascending a hill when you descend, so while an EV does gain energy on the descend whereas an ICEV doesn't, anecdotal evidence suggests that hilly terrain hurts an EV's energy economy. Case in point: I live in "The Hills Country of Texas". Try as I might, I never get as good energy economy figures as those with the same EV (early 2010's LEAFs) living in Southern California where the terrain is a lot flatter.
I’m not buying it for 1 second. In my lived experience, it’s purely marketing and how to squeeze more dollars out of an emerging market. Do you think ICE customers also want lower noise, distance per fill-up, better cornering and wet weather braking etc? Of course they do. My Tesla Model 3 came with Venus Evo 3 which were ok, I replaced them with Evo 2 because during COVID the Evo 3 were sold out. I replaced them (they both only got around 30k km) with Pirelli P Zero T0 (an EV tyre) which was noticeably quieter and stickier, but they cost twice as much so it’s not a fair comparison. But now that I’ve turned my M3 Long Range into an ‘Overlander’ and installed a 2” lift kit, got rid of the OEM 19” wheels for aftermarket 18” wheels and shod them with Yokohama Geolandar G015 All Terrain tyres, the economy is exactly the same! About 164. I live in regional Australia and do a lot of highways and dirt roads and do some bush driving as well and these new Geolandars are a welcome change. Really smooth and 65db of noise inside, same as ‘EV’ specific summer road tyres. So my personal ‘lived’ experience is that EV specific tyres is a load of BS. (I love your Chanel and the amazing cars you build BTW!)
Not going to fib. the first mention I'd ever heard of EV Tyres I was. Have you taken leave of what little mind you possess??? 0~o but, without testing a standard set of Tyres, why?
Sorry, I don't understand the point of this video. The title is "Are EV tyres worth it? Find out in this tyre comparison test." You then compare one set of EV specific tyres to another set of EV specific tyres? I decided to compare them on price, and found some interesting facts: Conti ULTRACONTACT NXTs were apparently the most sustainable passenger tyre when launched in 2023 at 65% renewable material. NXTs are actually called EV compatible by Conti, rather than EV specific. NXTs are also triple A rated. (Efficiency A, Wet Grip A, Noise 69dB - exactly the same as the Hankook list for the 215/55R18 99V XL size, the label shown in this video is for a different size!) Most importantly they are available from many good tyre retailers, such as HomeTyre, at £156.35 each (in 215/55R18 99V XL size for that ID3), when you buy 4, including fitting at your home or workplace. The Hankook Ion GT don't actually seem to be available to buy anywhere. Maybe they're too new? So I've no idea what the price will be if they do become available. Hankook only list that size in an SUV version of the trye, rather than the standard version. (The SUV text is visible on the tyres at 1:54 if you zoom in enough, though the ID3 is surely not an SUV?)
I like this channel and I like what you do with the old classics, I also quite like this tire test however, you never mentioned how many miles were on the tires on the original car the continentals, as that would have a bearing on the overall range, if the car had 11,000 miles on the clock for instance then there might be three mil less tread, thus creating more noise poor handling in the wet and less range. Are Hancook paying you for this? If so, you’re selling yourself out and devaluing your channel.
So EV tyres offer better handling and lower rolling resistance. How are those requirements any different for an ICE car? Arguably more important because energy costs for an ICE car are higher.
On the subject of buying a new VW at the moment, I would be careful. Evidence suggests they they are having a really tough time at present, (closing factories kind of tough), where 50% of their sales were in China, but are not any more. The Electric Viking has a good video on their latest . . . . . Difficulties. ua-cam.com/video/Suu0mNtMcfU/v-deo.html I like the idea of getting an idBuzz, but I am waiting to see if they end up being bought up by somebody else :-(. Question: All modern EVs are computers on wheels. Run by Software. If a company goes bust, will the Software still be updated? If it goes wrong, will your new pride and joy end up "Bricked" and a museum static exhibit as the IT system won't run the car? Just look at Arrival who went bust: ua-cam.com/video/63R3mt61g_Y/v-deo.html This may become a big problem, and it is not being thought about, it seems to me. Boy, do I hope I am wrong!
Comparing old tyres to brand new ones isn't useful and your results are invalid. Older tyres are noisier and have less grip, and that's just for starters. If you want a fair test, get two sets of brand new tyres and put them on identical wheels. Not that any test like this is actually scientific or accurate anyway. There are just too many variables over which you have zero control. EV tyres are really just better tyres that would benefit any vehicle. But they do have special emphasis on noise reduction.
Why do you have a problem with a tyre designed around the requirements? Do you have a problem with winter tyres? Off road tyres? Tyres designed for sports cars? 🤷♂️
Lower rolling resistance? Really? What that means? No grip? Less grip? More grip? Do tyres have glue to offer rolling resistance? Lower gas consumption is also associated with soft rubber, not with "low rolling resistance". Is this what they mean? If so, why is it an "electric requirement"?
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You're having a laugh. EV tyres make more noise at 30 than a classic car does at 60 and 3500krpm! They're deafening to walk alongside on a roadside path!
Unlike petrol or diesels which have lovely rose tinted stuff coming out of the exhaust which as we know is lovely for those children and dogs to take a deep breath
Hankook's Half Hour! 😁👍
Showing your age and mine!! 😂😂
…they can save you half a pint of fuel…
Very good 👍👍😂
Very good but seems like Hankook’s 15 minutes in this case😂
I completely understand people complaining that this was effectively an informercial for Hankook Ion tires. But, it was also generally informative about why a person should purchase EV specific tires. The balancing of demands must be adjusted just like an engineer would for racing tires for rally versus Formula 1. I do wonder how those features will age as the tire wears.
There's no difference between tires. Honest companies like Michelin post this on their website.
Another difference comparing EVs to ICE is the low centre of gravity of an EV, which seems to load the tyres differently. I fitted Hankooks last autumn to my 'classic' 2016 Model S, just before I travelled down to southern Italy for 6 weeks. I'd had Pirellis and Michelins before. The Hankooks are everything they claim, better grip, easily more efficient and notably quieter. They are also wearing well. I'm planning to fit some of their new FlexiClimate tyres before I head back down to Italy at the end of November. It'll be good to see how they compare to the iON Evos.
after 8 years how is your battery holding up? could u give capacity drop % thanks
@@musakoca2684 I have a 2015 model s 85d with 250,000 kms, last time i worked it out about a year ago my battery was at 90% SOH , i guess it it now at about 87-90% i can see a displayed 400kms on a full charge, more like 250kms real range when driving on motorway at 130kmh, dropping to 120kmh increases range significantly, maybe 300kms. I supercharge the hell out of it as it is our long range EV, and has free supercharging. hope that helps?
One thing I would have liked to see would be a BLIND test. Cover the names on the tires so the driver doesn't know which ones are on the car. Otherwise there is far too much self-bias - you WANT the tyres to behave better, so you subconsciously drive better. I know you think you drove the same, but you control your subconscious.
The other thing I would have liked to see would be for you to NOT KEEP SAYING THE NAME OF THE TYRES WRONG. It says CONTACT not CONNECT.
I love your channel, but this video was too commercial 😅 I must admit that you did a great job explaining the characteristics of the tyres 😉
Yeah it felt like a paid for infomercial with the bias of course stating Hankook is the best
@@apb3251 ECC has to earn money, and I don't mind from time to time some infomercials, but of course that I prefer the original videos, very informative and awesome. Perhaps with some product placement would be also fine 😉
BTW: This video would have been more useful with a decibel meter inside the car to see the difference between tyres 👍👍
@@deltajohnny sort of agree but they make money from the conversion of cars, the UA-cam channel is an advert for their business and passion, but they also make some money from UA-cam and it’s a bit cheeky to not state the latest video is most likely a paid for advert for Hankook.
@@apb3251 Fully agree, and I'm sure that they earn decent money from the conversions, as their work is top notch 👏👏👏
About the UA-cam channel, it's OK to earn some extra money, but this type of videos is too commercial... if there were more common, I would not like it at all...
About the paid ad, if I remember correctly, the first time that I saw it, it appeared briefly the typical sentence at the beginning indicating that there was a paid promotion or something like that?
BTW: I'm Spanish, so please excuse if my English is not perfect 😅😅
@@apb3251 Did you mean conversation or conversion - after all they're always conversating about the cars in the videos.
Come on guys, get a sound meter app on your phone!
You are only doing a comparison, it doesn't need to be calibrated.
I switched from EV tyres to all seasons. Which are quieter, give better grip. Yet still give the same efficiency. Not alone in the E-Niro in doing so.
Same here - Michelins (twice) on our Leaf and now Continentals on our Ioniq. EV- specific tyres weren't even available at the beginning. The all seasons tyres we bought this year and last year are labelled 'EV ready'. One difference I've noticed is that you can run these ones at the recommended pressures. The ones that weren't designed with EVs in mind at all needed to be run at 45psi our they wore really quickly on the shoulders. Couldn't take the weight. I see that Hankook do make an EV- specific all season tyre that fits some Korean cars (new Kia EV3 at least), but they're noisier and have more rolling resistance than the Continentals, and there's no information yet about their performance on cold/wet/icy/ snowy roads.
Do you think there would be a difference if I change one of the Michelin electric tires to an all season normal one? Like in terms of balance?
@@zackh7450 Yes, I think that would be very dangerous, and probably illegal. In icy or snowy conditions (and probably dry conditions below 5-6C), that one tyre would grip much better than the others, which could cause you to lose control of the car when cornering or braking. You should at least change 2 tyres at the same time (either front or rear), and it's definitely better to replace all 4 at once.
Been driving electric since 2013 and have always just bought 'standard' tyres. Never had any issues, never seen any real reduction in range either.
If you always brought standard tires then how would you know if the range is affected?
Very interesting and just goes to show what a difference different tyres can make.... Well done chaps
I always look forward to your videos but was disappointed in this one as it was an infomercial. Surely a more useful comparison of tyres would be to see what improvement was gained in putting EV specific ones on a car that had non-EV specifics on.
Low rolling resistance tires are low grip tires. This is very important to be aware of. As long as the weight rating is OK the tire is OK to use. Michalin pro climate plus are my favourite all weather tires.
But my road tyres on my Land Rover have lower rolling resistance and more grip than my off road tyres. 🤷♂️ There’s more to rolling resistance than grip. 👍
A fascinating look at what 'system' means in the EV world, including tires.
Ooh, it's my car. Well, in blue. ID3 though.
I remember when Hankook tyres were new to the UK. There was quite a bit of suspicion from the Michelin, Goodyear, etc diehards. And in a few respects, rightly so. But it didn't take Hankook that long, what 10-15 years [?] and they're now absolutely firmly established. Good tyres.
This was one of the most interesting adverts I've seen in a long time.
How do the tyre prices compare? Thanks Richard. 🙂👍
i switched to Hankook ions for my 2015 models S a few years ago, they seem to last a bit longer, I was getting 30,000kms on old tyres and now seem to get 50,000kms. I'm In French alps so my tyres get a pounding with all the mountain roads i use, I'm sure you could get more life out of tyres in a flatter area. They do make a noticeable difference in efficiency especially when travelling at lower speeds, in town and normal roads, on motorways the difference seem less than at lower speeds maybe due to aero drag being a more significant factor at higher speeds. All our family all seemed to think they were quieter than old tyres. overall I would recommend them.
Thanks for watching
Interesting video Richard, I must admit I have had Hankook tyres on my company ICE cars and found them very safe to drive on. Tyre life was comparable to other brands at 25k rear and 40k front on average. Ride quality and tyre noise were also probably better than the competitors. 👍🏴😎
I really like Hankook. They don't make any iON in the size of the Zoe, so I got the Ventus Prime 4 summer and Winter i*cept RS3 winter tyres. Really efficient and comfortable tyres, don't regret buying from them. All Michelins that I had always felt too stiff. Had the S1 Evo3 on a Megane RS, and those tyres made the car more comfortable and less noisy on longer journeys compared to the Bridgestones it came with.
I love this channel, but I have never watched a 15 minute ad before and I am not starting now.
It's a product review.
I appreciate the "test" of these two tires. ("Tires" not "tyres" 'cause I'm a 'Murkin. Please don't hold that against me. 🙃) I'd like to point out a few things:
1. It's good that you did the runs on the same day so there is less variability in weather. Problem is you made the out run on one set of tires and the run back on the other set. If the trip is generally more uphill in one direction that the other, that would easily affect the energy economy numbers.
2. The "test" was one run on each set of tires. Granted, this is prob not meant to be an exhaustive test, but making at least several runs on each set of tires in both directions, throwing out the best and worst numbers and averaging the rest would produce a more "real" result.
I'm a bit of a geek so I obsessively record every bit of info from my 2011 LEAF every time I plug it in: date, time, temperature, trip length, average trip speed, energy economy, charging time, etc. In the early years of my LEAF ownership, I have used two EV-specific tires. Since, I've run high performance summer tires. The hundreds of data points from each set of tires showed that there is barely any differences between the different tires! Indeed, there was barely any differences between different tire pressures: the OEM 36 psi versus 44 psi!
My theory is that there are probably differences between tires and pressures, but they are small relative to other variables: weather, road condition/traction, imprecision in how the car is driven, terrain, the level of blinker fluid 🙃, etc.
Tyres do make a difference! When I bought my Zoe it had original Michelin Energy tires and I would get around 4.5 Miles per KWH in the winter and 5+ in warmer times, I replaced them with Michelin E-Primacy last year near the start of the year and I have rarely get close to 5 KWH now.
I spoke with a Hankook rep at Everything Electric South and keep looking but so far they havnet released tires for smaller EV's
As a EV van driver I would find a set of low noise tyres really useful
Rounding the m/kWh to 1 decimal place gives a huge possible variation in percentage improvement. Due to rounding, at worst it’s around 2.5%; at best it’s almost 9%. Plus the weather will have a huge effect on efficiency, with wipers, demisting, etc causing a wide variation in power consumption
Weather was the same the entire day. You’re right about the rounding error variance. 👍
Congratulations on your new appointment with the Hankook marketing team.
Is this a sponsored ad?
If it is, no explicit disclosure.
@@robhills2613 at the beginning I saw the typical phrase indicating that there was paid advertisement or something like that 👍
100%
How was the temperature during each run? Might that have impacted the performance some?
Temperature was the same, as we did the tests on the same day and the temperature didn’t vary much at all during the day. 👍
Thank you, that was a good test.
Nice to see you liked the ID.3. I'm about to swap my Golf GTE for an ID.3. I'm really looking forward to the increased boot space!
The boot is virtually the same size, assuming you don't want to carry a spare wheel in your id.3. And if you do choose to carry a spare wheel in your id.3 it's not a big boot at all. I'm guessing smaller. (Note: I have an id.3 and carry a spare - I don't know the golf boot or whether its spare cavity is in addition to the quoted litres.)
@Rich-on6fe having looked at both boots in person, the ID.3 boot definitely has more usable space. The GTE boot is quite compromised by the hybrid battery.
As an ex Repelli engineer I can tell you the only difference with ev and ic tyres is that the ev ones are of stronger construction and in the case of Repelli have sound deadening material under the tread because noise is more noticeable. The whys of stronger construction is that the loadings are higher on an ev due to the weight. The tread materials are generally of a high silicon content which gives better wear results.
So how did you measure the sound. Did you use any kind of noise metre?
We have an ID.3 1st Edition which came with Continental tyres. We do relatively low mileages and it was important for us to have more grip in wintry conditions.
We swapped out to Michelin Cross climate 2 tyres fully expecting a drop in overall miles/kWh. Our efficiency overall has risen slightly and we average 4.1 miles/kWh over a year.
Given that we will be unlikely to change the tyres for 3 or 4 years I would hope that Hankook are producing a similar tyre to the Michelin Cross Climate 2's by then.
I did note that your ID.3 is on 18 inch rims whereas ours is on 19's. The smaller rim is usually slightly more efficient.
As for the ID.3: we are very satisfied with it and have no plans to swap it any time soon although ours does have a trim rattle in the rear somewhere. Boohoo VW!. If you are buying used Tim be sure that the software is at version 3.2 (a dealer upgrade) and if possible, find one with a heat pump. The heater does eat range if you are driving mainly short local runs. Having said this, if you have charging at home then it's fine.
Nice segment sir- appreciate you working to introduce and explain some of the tire options open to us sceptical of the bright sparks in tire marketing selling a bill of goods. In my case, more range for my Mini SE’s pretty sad 180ish km universe would be very welcome. Even 5%!
On the subject of noise measurement, I thought I’d try to capture the difference in ambient interior sound in your car for each tire by running your video on a laptop and using a decibel app on my phone. Same volume setting, same distance from the speakers. (My spouse as it happens specializes in acoustics for the aviation industry and could hardly stifle her scorn at my low rent project, giving me a grocery list of faults with my methodology but nevermind her meddlesome naysaying….onwards!)
The upshot is I measured 70.4 dB out of the speakers during your 50mph run for the first set of tires and 68.7 for the Hankooks. Granted it was hard to find more than a second or two of footage without you gents yakking - lol.
Submitted for your consideration and worth about what ya paid for it…😎
I love Hankook tyres, been using them for years....on ICE cars. However, with our Nissan Leaf I was surprised at the huge price hike for EV/ECO tyres. Unless I get twice the mileage out of them it just doesn't make sense.
Interesting video. However, it may have been worth adding a few more fields in your conclusion, for instance, price, wear and availability are something I found important when buying EV tyres. It's great having a super efficient, high performance set of tyres which are very quiet, but if they costs a fortune and only last for a few thousand miles they aren't for me.
Hope to see a few more similar videos in the future. 👍
If I were Tim I’d look at the Skoda Elroq version of the ID3
EV tyres are generally more efficient that even the best non EV-specific tyres but you can't run a control test this way - the conditions have to be EXACTLY the same.
Even if you back to back the test on the same tyres over exactly the same course in the same conditions the second run will be more efficient - your battery pack has warmed up and a warm battery is more effcient than a cold one.
FYI the "A" for wet performance is based on wet stopping distance - there are some complaints aroud that the Hankook Ion tyres are not the best for wet cornering and more susceptible to aquaplaning than non-EV tyres or even other EV specific styres such as the Michelin PS4 EV or Continental eContact.
Out of Spec youtube channel in the states recently changed the tyres on their model 3 performance and increased the range 13.5%!
My bad, it was the wheels they changed ua-cam.com/video/37z5FD2mgnw/v-deo.htmlsi=JU11K8AwZLm56ZZ7
Interesting. 👍
@@ElectricClassicCars I got it wrong it was a change to Martian Wheels MW08 that increased the range
It was predominantly the wheel size that helped. The tires were the same and the aftermarket wheels were if anything less aero in design (so would be worse at the OEM diameter).
Thanks guys!
14:10. VAG IS the dark side of EVs😂
RIP VAG😎
Thank you for posting this video.
Hankook seems to be a favorite of VW cars
Great channel, usually! Leave tyre assessing to those that do it properly.....and those that do, mainly conclude that EV specific tyres are more of a compromise than a benefit. But you & Hankook probably know that. Pretty poor !
😀the noise reading app on my smartphone would give a reasonable reading… load the app on your phone.. 😂
Normally, I base my tyres on wet grip vs cost.
Currently on Uniroyal rainsport, for the great Scottish weather...🙄
I got some Michelin e-Primacy, not sure about the actual range extension but the're A-rated for efficiency
Could have had a decibel meter in the car to make it more objective for the noise levels in the car. Other than that it is a good video.
Could have just used a mobile app to do it. Weird to basis it on human perception
Hello. My only question about this comparison test would be, were the "old" tyres a brand new set as well? If they had done several thousand miles, surely the wear and tear would have some effect on noise and even rolling resistance? We all know that brand new tyres make a car feel quieter and more "perky" so I would ask you to re-run the test, if you could. But, brilliant content, thank you!
The car was brand new with less than 1000 miles one. 👍
@@ElectricClassicCars OK, I stand corrected! Thank you. Less than 1000 is virtually brand new.
I have a 2021 VW ID.4 1st Edition in the US and the OEM Bridgestone tires wore out int 15,000 miles. Then I put on Pirelli winter tires and they lasted about the same. Pirelli non-winter stood up a little better and came with a mileage warranty. I am now on Hankook ION SUV EV with warranty. Fingers crossed.
Driving in London ive replaced about 3 tires this year all Michelin ev tires each costing over 120, wondering if i can just start fitting normal tires when i get skrews in them?( Also is it true u need the same tire replaced for balance or is that just a myth?)
Great test! Is there more wear on an EV over an ICE vehicles? All the other savings out weigh a little tire wear, if that’s the case.
For sound measurements you could have used a mobile app like decibel meter🎤 Keep that in mind for next time 😉
Enjoyed seeing Bug Zappa drag racing on CarWow!
More to come!
When I bought my new car - Hyundai 1.4lt Getz GSI Automatic - in 2006, it came with Hankook tyres. Not only were they very noisy, they didn't wear well, so I swapped them for something with a better Noise Rating. I'm going to need to change my tyres before the next MOT, so I'm wondering is these EV tyres are worth putting on my car, to try to improve the handling and fuel consumption. Russ. Hampshire.
Considering rounding errors the mileage could well be about only 0.1 Miles/KWh appart as well as 0.3 Miles/KWh ? ... in the worst case rounding errors possibly ending up being twice as high as the actual difference. If it is just 3.449 to 3.55 that would mean a difference of 2.9%
... adding different "driving pleasures" to it, as well as slight changes in speed, acceleration profiles, wind speeds,.. and what not more...
Love your videos and work in general, but this video is too "close" to a commercial for me this time, though still entertaining.
Over the decades, we’ve seen plenty of ICE takes, with anything from V6 to V12 lumps, on the ‘classic’ milk float. I’d love to see what you could do with one.
I’m embarking on a T2 conversion. Any thoughts on good tyres for a T2? Probably going for the original steels.
There are free decibel (and more) meter apps available for smartphones.
Why didn't you test these against standard road tyres
Would it not be better to compare same spec EV and non EV tyres?. E.g Hankook Ventus S1 Evo 3 - They have them as standard and EV (EV ones +70 quid each) Both A/B/A rating. Is the EV 69dB rolling noise quieter than the non EV 69dB? Does the EV A rating use less energy than the non EV A rating? Otherwise I still don't know if EV tyres are worth!
5% more rnage????? wow will definitely consider these when I change the tyres on my leaf
Sorry not loving this content. Feels too forced and fake. A lot of the comparisons apply to all tyres not just does for EV and even then there will be various flavours in just the EV sector. I think (might be wrong) it’s a paid for endorsement and if it isn’t declared is a breach of UA-cam T&Cs even if the tyres have been given for free and you got no money
Just saw a video on Vanity Fair's youtube channel about Dev Patel's 1970s Fiat 500 converted into electric. He mentioned about "Amazing guy in Wales who changes classic cars into into electric vehicle". Was it you who did the conversion?
Yes. That’s us. Dev is a lovely guy. Do you have a link to the video?
@ElectricClassicCars I gave the link, did it come through? I'm asking because I can't see it. Should I post it again?
Did you scrub the new tyres in at all before the test?
I hate the "feel" of brand new tyres 😎
Trooper for recording in the rain
Surely to make a true mpg comparison you would have to put normal tyres on at some point to see if it’s just sales BS to try & tell you that you need EV tyres & not just off the shelf tyres?. I would just put normal tyres on
I am sorry but after hearing the name Han* 10 times in the first minute or so this video felt like an ad. I could not take it serious after that.
I try in English is not my main language. Why does a bike not stand? Because it's two tyred.
Even 3.6 miles per kilowatt hour is not very impressive in mixed driving with lots of regen. I would have expected 4.5+.
Have you ever driven any significant distance in Wales? I have. All those hills and narrow winding roads, hammer you fuel consumption something cruel, so it's not surprising the miles per Kwh were so low... especially if you have to do a lot of stop/start driving, which is common in Wales. That figure would have been better, if he hadn't been carrying a passenger; as I know from my own experiences. The more people, the worse the fuel consumption.
@@russbetts1467 All that you say is true if the vehicles involved were ICE powered by fossil fuel, but they weren't. They were EVs where stop/start driving is an advantage as it allows for regenerative braking, and the same applies to hills on the way down. Doh! As for the passenger, well if they had been a morbidly obese americano, then it would make sense, but a normal size UK adult with weight in proportion to height would be negligible.
@@grahamcook9289 You don't get back 100% of the energy you spent ascending a hill when you descend, so while an EV does gain energy on the descend whereas an ICEV doesn't, anecdotal evidence suggests that hilly terrain hurts an EV's energy economy.
Case in point: I live in "The Hills Country of Texas". Try as I might, I never get as good energy economy figures as those with the same EV (early 2010's LEAFs) living in Southern California where the terrain is a lot flatter.
I’m not buying it for 1 second.
In my lived experience, it’s purely marketing and how to squeeze more dollars out of an emerging market.
Do you think ICE customers also want lower noise, distance per fill-up, better cornering and wet weather braking etc? Of course they do.
My Tesla Model 3 came with Venus Evo 3 which were ok, I replaced them with Evo 2 because during COVID the Evo 3 were sold out.
I replaced them (they both only got around 30k km) with Pirelli P Zero T0 (an EV tyre) which was noticeably quieter and stickier, but they cost twice as much so it’s not a fair comparison.
But now that I’ve turned my M3 Long Range into an ‘Overlander’ and installed a 2” lift kit, got rid of the OEM 19” wheels for aftermarket 18” wheels and shod them with Yokohama Geolandar G015 All Terrain tyres, the economy is exactly the same! About 164.
I live in regional Australia and do a lot of highways and dirt roads and do some bush driving as well and these new Geolandars are a welcome change. Really smooth and 65db of noise inside, same as ‘EV’ specific summer road tyres.
So my personal ‘lived’ experience is that EV specific tyres is a load of BS.
(I love your Chanel and the amazing cars you build BTW!)
What 2” lift kit did you use? If the driveshafts are now at a more acute angle because of the lift won’t you get premature CV failure?
Not going to fib. the first mention I'd ever heard of EV Tyres I was. Have you taken leave of what little mind you possess??? 0~o but, without testing a standard set of Tyres, why?
Sorry, I don't understand the point of this video. The title is "Are EV tyres worth it? Find out in this tyre comparison test."
You then compare one set of EV specific tyres to another set of EV specific tyres?
I decided to compare them on price, and found some interesting facts:
Conti ULTRACONTACT NXTs were apparently the most sustainable passenger tyre when launched in 2023 at 65% renewable material.
NXTs are actually called EV compatible by Conti, rather than EV specific.
NXTs are also triple A rated. (Efficiency A, Wet Grip A, Noise 69dB - exactly the same as the Hankook list for the 215/55R18 99V XL size, the label shown in this video is for a different size!)
Most importantly they are available from many good tyre retailers, such as HomeTyre, at £156.35 each (in 215/55R18 99V XL size for that ID3), when you buy 4, including fitting at your home or workplace.
The Hankook Ion GT don't actually seem to be available to buy anywhere. Maybe they're too new? So I've no idea what the price will be if they do become available.
Hankook only list that size in an SUV version of the trye, rather than the standard version. (The SUV text is visible on the tyres at 1:54 if you zoom in enough, though the ID3 is surely not an SUV?)
Where is the price comparison?
Love you guys but you should have a double blind test .. NOT DRIVING BLIND! But your team should have prepped the car and not told you ..
That’s a good idea. We’ll have to do that next time. 👍
I like this channel and I like what you do with the old classics, I also quite like this tire test however, you never mentioned how many miles were on the tires on the original car the continentals, as that would have a bearing on the overall range, if the car had 11,000 miles on the clock for instance then there might be three mil less tread, thus creating more noise poor handling in the wet and less range. Are Hancook paying you for this? If so, you’re selling yourself out and devaluing your channel.
The car was brand new with less than 1000 miles on it. 👍
There is no more torque applied to tire than an ICE car breaking hard!
So EV tyres offer better handling and lower rolling resistance. How are those requirements any different for an ICE car? Arguably more important because energy costs for an ICE car are higher.
3.4m/kWh ?! Are VW really that bad or were you towing a caravan?!
Driving sporty up through the mountains. 😉👍
@@ElectricClassicCars "Driving sporty"? Is there any other way to drive? 🙃
Wonder how much Hankook paid for this advertisment+
So...
Basically...
Has absolutely nothing to do with being "EV" tires.
The Hankook tires would provide the same benefits on an ICE car.
On the subject of buying a new VW at the moment, I would be careful. Evidence suggests they they are having a really tough time at present, (closing factories kind of tough), where 50% of their sales were in China, but are not any more. The Electric Viking has a good video on their latest . . . . . Difficulties. ua-cam.com/video/Suu0mNtMcfU/v-deo.html
I like the idea of getting an idBuzz, but I am waiting to see if they end up being bought up by somebody else :-(.
Question: All modern EVs are computers on wheels. Run by Software. If a company goes bust, will the Software still be updated? If it goes wrong, will your new pride and joy end up "Bricked" and a museum static exhibit as the IT system won't run the car? Just look at Arrival who went bust: ua-cam.com/video/63R3mt61g_Y/v-deo.html
This may become a big problem, and it is not being thought about, it seems to me. Boy, do I hope I am wrong!
Scrap the EV crap.
Snake oil salesmen
Comparing old tyres to brand new ones isn't useful and your results are invalid. Older tyres are noisier and have less grip, and that's just for starters.
If you want a fair test, get two sets of brand new tyres and put them on identical wheels.
Not that any test like this is actually scientific or accurate anyway. There are just too many variables over which you have zero control.
EV tyres are really just better tyres that would benefit any vehicle. But they do have special emphasis on noise reduction.
They weren’t that old. The ID3 was a new car with less than 1000 miles on it.
I can snif a marketing hype as far as in the other half of the world. EV tyres? Yeah, that smells.
Why do you have a problem with a tyre designed around the requirements? Do you have a problem with winter tyres? Off road tyres? Tyres designed for sports cars? 🤷♂️
Lower rolling resistance? Really? What that means? No grip? Less grip? More grip? Do tyres have glue to offer rolling resistance? Lower gas consumption is also associated with soft rubber, not with "low rolling resistance". Is this what they mean? If so, why is it an "electric requirement"?
@@luisdominguesforprogramaca3221 "Lower gas consumption is also associated with soft rubber..."
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You're having a laugh. EV tyres make more noise at 30 than a classic car does at 60 and 3500krpm! They're deafening to walk alongside on a roadside path!
Whatever you’re smoking it’s not doing you any favours if you think a classic car driving past at 60 is quieter than an EV doing 30. 😆👍
All those tyre particulates from overweight EVs are enough to harm children and dogs as you drive past.
Yet another load of hogwash that has been debunked thoroughly many times. Take your trolling elsewhere, coal roller.
Unlike petrol or diesels which have lovely rose tinted stuff coming out of the exhaust which as we know is lovely for those children and dogs to take a deep breath
@@Nic_Wood OK Electrosheep🐑
Wow.😯 Still people out there believing this myth in 2024. 🤷♂️
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx Came here just to drop a turd in the punch bowl, did ya?