Jordan Peterson on the Bible | Doug Wilson
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- Опубліковано 26 січ 2022
- In this episode of Doug Reacts, Pastor Doug Wilson responds to Jordan Peterson's recent comments about the Bible on the Joe Rogan Experience.
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Share this video on Jordan Peterson Channel. I think he might like this breakdown insight, especially the ending words, you are not far from the kingdom 😀
He is lying, the bible is not the first western book. What nonsense.
@Mark Sheymus you are scared of the truth
@@jamestamz Tell a better story then.
@@jamestamz hey. You're wrong.
I was an atheist for decades and Peterson's (free!) series on the psychology of the Bible got to me, and his "I live my life as if I did believe" were the sparks of my conversion. There was no burning bush, no cracks of lightening in the sky, nor did I suddenly know anything new I didn't know before *except* God actually is knowable, no matter how hard I was trying to to make that impossible. Grace is amazing indeed.
I'm glad that message is going out on the largest media source.
Bwahahahaha! Your name. That's funny
Bigger than any other cable show.
@@Richardcontramundum 😉😂
God building his kingdom.
Ahahahahahahahaha
I’m pretty sure Peterson is the only man that could explain this to Rogan. I’m also sure that Doug is the only man that could translate it to all of us. Thanks Doug.
Peterson has been walking through his own discovery of Presuppositional Apologetics for a couple years now, and watching it is very reminiscent of C S Lewis' description of his intellectual conversion.
If the Lord isn't drawing Peterson, he's certainly using him to shed remarkable light on the Word, and how necessary it is to knowing anything at all.
I watch that Rogan episode. Peterson was also speaking about shamanic practices. This reminded me of Lewis' description of pagan religions and how they relate to Christianity in Mere Christianity.
My husband and I just remarked that there are great similarities between where Peterson is at in his thinking and understanding compared to Lewis’ conversion story! Alsan is on the move, as always!
Presup is garbage. If Peterson falls for it then he's been hoodwinked.
@@nativeatheist6422 prove your claim
Well, it still sounds like Secular Humanism to me. I don't have the technical Hermeneutics to see what you describe but the parallel with that author it's interesting nevertheless.
This man just established at the Joe Rogan show that: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
John 1:1
Yes.
JBP did a lecture on Old testament starting with Genesis, but decided to use the John verse as the introduction to the talk. He spoke of a metaphorical "hyperlink" between John and Genesis to make it more palatable to the modern folk, I suppose. That is another of Peterson's intrinsic gifts: accessibility and available to younger folk.
I don't belive in Christianity, but I also disagree with Peterson
Come back when you have Godly wisdom peterson, not just knowledge.You are still a baby.
@@rayfiedler9482 So at what point would he meet your standards to go on air?
Something about watching Jordan Peterson light up about the Bible and watching his brain dissect everything and make sense of it gets me emotional. He truly is like a man who has found the treasure and is now trying to unlock its mystery. “You are not far from the Kingdom” 🥲 Doug got me all teary at the end too. I do pray the Lord open his eyes and bring him to his knees in humble repentance 🙌🏼
AMEN
Peterson missed the mark in this episode he understands what he’s saying but as a result of his prolonged absence and benzodiazepine abuse he’s lost his sharpness his speech just digressed into word salad for most of the episode (still am a fan and love him as i do everyone on this earth like a good christian and pray for his sobriety and his well-being)
@@happyjungle868 love watching his old videos.
You spoke my feelings and mind almost word by word.... this is so weird..
I wonder what other nonsense you've fallen for?
Pastor Doug’s last statement in this video put such a smile on my face.😊Praying for Jordan Peterson!
Cast your magic spells on something worth enchanting, wizard.
@@donfette5301 To pray is simply to ask.
I am mind blown. God's word is endless. It explains everything when you dissect it enough. It can even help put our conscience experiences and primal urges into perspective. A wheel inside of a wheel. So complex, it's like it breaths.
Amen to that 😁
It’s fascinating how many truths JBP has uncovered with just intellect and honesty, without spiritual guidance.
*nature
"Wheels within wheels"
Peterson was able to channel Bahnsen and Wilson all in one clip 👌
I cant believe God loves humanity so much that He gave us His word. Wow.
Imagine what the world would be without it.
@@ata5855 yes, imagine where humanity would be if wasn't held back under the oppressive thumb of the Church for nearly 2000 years..
God could clear up alot of confusion with a 5 minute press conference.
@@SineEyed I guess it would be as far along as all the societies that weren't "under the thumb" of the Church. Just look around. The most atheistic societies are the most oppressive/repressive societies ever known.
I'm not convinced that without the Christianity, humanity would be anything other than warring slave-holding barbarians.
@@ata5855 the idea of an atheistic society is incoherent to me. No society holds itself together through a common bond of non-belief. So whetever it is you have in mind, you're most likely thinking of it wrong.
Your last statement doesn't make sense to me either. It implies that Christianity took some part in ending wars and slavery. I find that odd for you to believe, since neither of those things have ended, and since Christianity has historically partaken in its fair share of both. I mean ffs Jesus himself endorsed slavery. What was it he said, "don't beat your slaves unless they really deserve it" or something like that, right? Very progressive, that guy lol...
Peterson is so close to the kingdom! Keep praying for him brothers!
Why? Why is that important to you?..
@@SineEyed well any sinner that repents is something even the angels rejoice but also he has a large secular audience that he could influence. Obviously everything is the Lord's timing and provision.
@@SoopaCoopa Christianity is not validated by acceptance or rejection of Celebrities especially like JP who sounds more like the gnostics...I know most Evangelicals are rejoicing that JP is being saved will save many others as if it's JP's intellect that brings people to Christ. It's only the power of the Gospel of Christ or the good news that brings the sinners to the conviction, repentance, belief and knowledge of Christ.
I love watching Petersons growth over the last few years- especially because he’s been a part of mine.
It is fascinating to listen to Jordan tackle a subject. In this case, he is like a child that has discovered a great treasure. I do pray that God is drawing him as we speak. He has no fear fleshing out a truth laden commentary on the bible before one so hostile toward it as Rogan. May we all be humbled by this interaction and the boldness by which he went forth.
" I do pray that God is drawing him as we speak."
I don't think its possible to come to the conclusions he's coming to without God drawing on you.
@@JD-xz1mx meh, he has said similar things before while denying the divinity of Christ.
Rogan is hostile? You have no clue what you are talking about.
@@paulmoore-LPC-LMFT-NCC How do you know?
@@banemaler you're not correctly using the word "hostile"
Mr. Douglas Wilson, I would love to hear you and Mr.Jordan Peterson discuss the issue of Patriarchal leadership and many other topics..I could listen to you all day!
I would enjoy hearing them discuss on the Biblical lectures and how religion has brought value to human beings
I don't know Peterson's ultimate fate, whether he will be saved (which is why I frequently pray for him as should you). But if he does make it, his journey to God will be remarkable. Not just for the route he took, but for the extensive documentation of it every step of the way. The man is a renowned intellectual who has put out content constantly detailing his most intimate thoughts and understandings of life and the world. If he comes to Christ, millions of people will be able to trace every minute step of the path he took to get there in extreme detail backed up by his own argumentation.
I think if he goes all the way, he has the potential to be the C. S. Lewis of the next century and beyond, if not more influential. Imagine the modern equivalent of Mere Christianity authored by Peterson. Imagining how God might use this man (to say nothing of how he has already used him) fills my heart with praise and glorification of Him and His power.
I feel Peterson is almost there, he only has to take that leap of faith. I suspect that prospect terrifies him, pray that the Holy Spirit would replace this fear with a righteous fear of God and submission to Jesus Christ.
Aristotle just took a second seat in the annals of history.
How about NOT assuming people that don’t think the way you do burn for all of eternity? There’s an idea.
@@DM-dk7js because WE didn't write the rules. And the rules are absolute and not open to whimsical (or any) interpretation.
@@sethpeters4552 what???
@@DM-dk7js Well, it isn't that they need to think like us. We're humans and fallible, and not all of our thoughts are perfect. They need to pursue thinking like Christ. And Christ is the one who said that, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6) And, "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." (Mat 7:13)
I'd like to think God is drawing Peterson.
Amen' 💯 indeed.....'
He's wrestling with God in front of all of us ;)
Hopefully. But unless he makes said confession and repents then this knowledge in all in vain.
@@SirWalrusButt556
This is true, but we all convert at different speeds. He's light years farther along in his understanding than he was when he did the Genesis commentary imo.
@@alleadonai agreed but again we'll have to wait and see. Simple intellectual knowledge doesn't equate to salvation, but at least to me, I would hope and pray God is drawing him!
Dr. Peterson has way more respect for and insight into Scripture than most "believers" in the Western world.
@messenger ministries how do you know he’s a free mason do you have a source?
I do agree there’s a lot of praise for Peterson talking about the bible because people agree with him on a lot of topics that aren’t to do with scripture, and he’s likeable as a person, so naturally they really want him to be saved too, it almost comes across sometimes as favouritism over anyone else who isn’t saved yet, and yet he isn’t saved, I do though, hope he comes to Christ but wether it happens or not really is up in the air as it is with so many.
Can you imagine being throughly convinced of the absolute truth and authority of scripture before even coming to Christ? On top of Jordan Peterson being on the doorstep of the kingdom, he is obviously influencing the CEO of the biggest alternative media outlet today, Joe Rogan.
Yet JP will never say he is a Christian. He (and Rogan) and stone cold atheists.
@@tornasukiii745 I don’t think an atheist would weep about the beauty of Christ as Jordan was fairly recently, December maybe? But Rogan is way off even in his understanding of what Christianity is let alone converting and proclaiming, but I pray that he would. Jordan too. They have a huge reach. I do think if Jordan repents and believes he would be an excellent communicator of it like C.S. Lewis
He definitely doesn't act like he's an atheist, Rogan either
If you can be convinced of the truth and authority of scripture before coming to Christ, what use is Christ?
@@benjamintrevino325 have you not read the part in Hebrews re "who have tasted and fallen away" -- that's what it's talking about
Peterson is so close to realizing one very important thing:
"The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."
I enjoy Jordan Peterson. He’s very deep but he has a way of explaining things for all of us who are willing to listen. I believe he got saved a few months ago. This is the result of having a lot of knowledge and being open rather than closed-minded.
mmm no
I don’t believe Jordan has gone from head knowledge of the Bible and who Jesus was as a historical figure into heart knowledge of Jesus as Savior, but he’s getting close and I’m praying for him. WHAT AN IMPACT he will have on our culture if that day comes. He will fill stadiums with the good news of the gospel and be a great apologist to the world. 🙏🏼
@@horrificpleasantry9474 “No” what??
@@chuckcribbs3398 "I believe he got saved a few months ago"
He says, "to act as though God exists," at best he's a diest. I mean, pagans believed in God too. Doug is right though, he's very close
Amen! I thought the same thing upon listening to the interview..."Oh, Dr. Peterson...you are soooooo close!"
It's amazing to watch conversations like this emerging in the world (outside the church). We need to be seeking ways to bring biblical truth to the conversation with courage and humility.
I would submit that is one of the reasons why we watch these videos in the first place. Christian Apologetics has for far too long just been a Christian apology.
"Biblical truth" is an oxymoron. And no, oxymoron does not refer to a mouth-breathing stupid person. But, if the shoe fits....
The internet is making impossible to hide from the Gospel. The more information that's made available to the average person, the more the truth is going to be heard. We just need to train people to understand the truth when they see it, and it will be Game Over. Let us take captive every mind and heart by the power of the Holy Spirit, dismantling every stronghold by the Word of Truth! To God be the Honor, the Praise, and the Glory, and may His peace reign forever and ever AMEN!
Just bring truth to the conversation. You dont need the word biblical there
@@shocklobster6266 the Bible is the bedrock; the foundation by which anything else holds true. Did you even watch this video? That was the whole point…
Sounds very much like presuppositional apologetics
I thought the same thing when I just heard this a couple days ago. I said to myself “Peterson is making a very compelling presupp argument.” Glad to see Doug made this vid so quickly.
I've never been concerned that any particular celebrity come to saving faith more than any other man on the street. That said, never in my life have I seen an unbeliever more passionate about truth and use it for more secular good than Mr. Peterson. I'd love very much for him to be led by the Holy Spirit to the particular truth of redemption and watch the transformation publicly played out. If you think the "left" hates him now...! Lol!
That's my concern. He's amassed quite a following and I'm assuming quite a bit of money as well. If he truly came to Christ, they would all turn on him in a second. Is he willing to give up that rockstar status and everything that goes with it?
@@Yesica1993 far from all would turn on him
Why would you be concerned with _anyone_ coming to "saving faith" other than taking it as a reassurance that the beliefs you've chosen to hold are valid?..
@@Yesica1993 Some of JP's biggest fans are Christians. I'm a Christian and love his work.
He won't cross the threshold until he's carved out a path of logic that the maximum number can follow. He's converting atheists from the outside.
Thanks for this reaction vid. This is about the 4th time I’ve seen this clip, including a couple other reaction vids, and it finally made sense as to what JP was articulating. Your perspective here was enlightening.
As delightful as this all sounds, it should likewise serve as a platter of fear and awe that an unregenerate man can possess such lofty admiration and wisdom about holy writ.
It’s a stunning revelation coming from Petersen. Wonder what Joe took away from that, if anything?
JP is often too smart for me. Doug has a beautiful way of translating JPs brilliant mind here. This is my first Cannon Press view and I’ll be watching plenty more. Right up my alley. Thank you. ✝️🇦🇺👌🏼
Except for interrupting every 2-3 words. It would have been so much better for Jordan Peterson be allowed to finish his statement and then Doug Wilson put in his commentary.
Doug’s closing words were awesome! Love these.
@J 89 hey! Been good! Thanks for asking for the message... I had to take some time off: moved into a new house, had to focus on my business, building a chicken coup, and wanted to pour more time in with my bride and my daughters... however, with that being said, I plan on getting back in the editing room and posting videos again very soon... I have several waiting in my hard drive and it’s been in the back of my brain for awhile...! Lord willing some good stuff will be coming from the ‘Warrior Chamber’ pipeline very soon, brother. Your message is encouraging. Thank you! 👊🏼
Jordan Peterson, even though he has not accepted Christ , has enlightened me on many occasions in his biblical lectures. He really gets at the core truth, the fundamental truths that are at the base of reality. It has been amazing to watch an intellectual mind like Dr. Peterson GENUINELY consider and take seriously the claims of the Bible, instead of dismissing it as many an Internet Atheist would say we all should.
Is there a place where petersons bible lectures are all in one place and free?
@@ryanedwards8679 all in one place, not really , but they are all free on youtube ! just look up jordan peterson bible lectures and you’ll see them. there’s a lot of them though, over 30 hours of content!
@@ryanedwards8679 what he said. He put them up on UA-cam free, that's how he got noticed
Thank you for your analysis of this interview! I had watched it earlier and it went right over my head.
It was mind-blowing that Peterson said it and acknowledged it. He basically stated that the Bible is Plato's 'Form' of a book or Book-ness. It is also the Platonic form of Truth. Without which there is neither Truth or nor Book. The Bible is in fact the archetype of Absolute Truth (which every Christian already understands). Peterson needs only acknowledge Christ as Lord. I suspect that will happen soon. The impact this guy is having bringing people to the Light even as a nonbeliever is astounding.
JP doesn't acknowledge the house of cards the bible is built on. You don't have the bible, you have copies of copies of mistranslations of mistranslations until you don't have the "real" bible. It has polytheistic origins.
@@nativeatheist6422 Really?... Because the the Dead Sea scrolls that were found only a few decades ago has proven the Scriptures accurate and you wrong.
@@nativeatheist6422 You really shouldn't believe everything that you read! It can lead you to believing some wacky stuff!
@@nativeatheist6422 We have thousands of manuscripts in the original languages; from them we translate directly into English (or Spanish, or German, or Hindi, or whatever target language). There is no "translation of translation" going on. You're entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts.
𝚲𝚶𝚪𝚶𝚺⇢📜⇢📖⇢📚...what is truly incredible, is the highly {arguably-"overly")-educated"Jordan Peterson, just figured this out last week... it sez something about the erosion..and utter exhaustion of secular Western Education...
I’ve been praying for JP for years now!! “You sir, are not far from the kingdom”
Yes brother Amen
It’s been a blessing watching Peterson come to the conclusion through fact checking, research and intelligence that us Christians have concluded by faith alone. Both lead back to Jesus.
Many Christians also come through fact checking, research, and intelligence.
@@LetsTalkChristMinistries I would say we have faith in light of the evidence and solid truth of Scripture.
@@LetsTalkChristMinistries hardly.
@@DM-dk7js Sorry this fact triggered something.
Awesome Doug! I was hoping you might react to this I don't agree with you on everything but I've learned a lot from you, Jordan and Jonathan pageau!
I want Doug's running commentary and pauses over all 4 hours, so let's make that happen @canonpress
Every time I've heard Jordan recently, I've been very impressed. No wonder has daughter has found faith in Christ.
As a lament (who’s still on the cusp of atheism) I barely learned “ How “ you read the Bible and it blew my mind. It’s freaky to have learned that the more and more each generation deteriorates from the practices of Christianity the more we see it as some kind of weird belief that a magic man makes wishes in the sky which if you obey him (which I’ve barely learned it isn’t even in the same ballpark of how this religion works)
It’s not how it works, that’s true. The only people who believe that are those whom never read the Bible. Or at least never read it seriously and truly sought any answers of truth from it.
God doesn’t grant wishes, as we don’t make wishes to begin with. We may ask for what we want or need but, that does not mean he will give it to us. We understand that all things are done by his will and through his timing. God only promises us in scripture to give what we need and that’s not the same for all people. We are promised we will suffer as he did and because we love and follow him; and that’s proven true for sure, some worse than others. And we are promised tribulation now and eventually a great tribulation worse than anything we’ve ever seen, later.
But you see, we are okay with that. It’s a love that can’t be described in English. The word is chesed חסד and it’s like a deep deep love- like a love God has for his people and us for them. Deeper than a love you’d have for your wife/husband and kids. Closet word would be like agape love but even deeper than that.
That’s the love we have for him and him us; so we are okay with waiting for his timing, not being given riches of this world (this world is temporary anyhow it’s not our home), being oppressed, hated, jailed, beaten and possibly even killed for him. No TRUE follower of Yeshua cares or expects “wishes” to be granted to us, we just want to have a personal relationship with him and live our lives like he did and like he has called us to do, which is live holy lives like Yeshua was holy. We do good works because we love him, not because it gets us something. It doesn’t get us anything, not even salvation (you only get that from belief, acceptance then repentance). It just sets us apart from the world. If you can’t tell a follower of Christ apart from someone of the world (non believer) then they probably aren’t a true follower and are what God calls warm- someone whom he will spit out of his mouth because he’s neither hot (true follower) or cold (non believer). Warm Christian’s are the worst, they’re the fake only in name followers that the world believes all Christian’s are like and supposed to be like. The ones who believe you ask a guy in the sky for wishes and God grants them like a genie. The one who has million dollar planes and houses and still grabs every penny from the old ladies pension savings and tells her oh God will bless you if you give more, he grant whatever you want etc etc etc. that’s not how it works at all. That’s not what God has ever said either. I’m sorry people made you believe that tho.
He does bless his people tho. He will bless his people that follow him. He’s blessed me too many times! More than I’ve ever deserved! But it’s in his timing and in his will. He will also correct too, just like a parent when their child does wrong. But he will also eventually give someone over to their worldly ways and reprobate minds too (Romans states this). You can see our nation falling apart the more we step away from God and biblical beliefs. Look around and see how morally corrupt America and the world is today!! We have more atheists in America than ever before in our existence as a country. But we are morally and socially bankrupt as a nation big time.
A lot of people can read the Bible and not understand it. Yehovah (Gods name, he gave Moses in exo 3:14-16 but English translations don’t put it in there of course, it’s in the Hebrew I promise) says his sheep know his voice and will understand. That’s because our hearts aren’t of stone (hardened) but it flesh (softened) and we don’t have scales on our eyes (so we see); but those who are not his, will not understand. So first, ask him to help you understand before reading the Bible for you to see the word as written and as it’s supposed to mean. He will.
Start with the book of John and then read the book of Roman’s. If you never read any book in the Bible again, you got to read those two books. They explain the gospel and our need for Yeshua (Jesus) for non-believers, better than any other book in the entire Bible. Just start with those two. John first, then Roman’s. Don’t listen to non-believers on what they say, I promise majority of the time they have no clue what they are talking about as they all say the same moot points as everyone else; meaning they don’t research anything themselves and only repeating what they’ve been told. Read it for yourself and see. Research everything yourself and see.
Saw this the other day and thought... man, I hope Doug sees this and responds!!! Awesome sauce!
It would be really cool to have Doug and Jordan Peterson together talking about the gospel and how the Holy Bible is way more thant just the Truth.
How so? The gospels are stories written by anonymous scribes who never met Jesus. They aren’t truth at all, let alone more than it.
@@roems6396 I used to think the same way when I wasn’t looking for the truth and only believed whatever I was thaugh by experts. Then, I found a huge amount of scientific evidence which brought me to internal conflict being an atheist. Look further, there is evidence the gospels were written by different people that at least knew Jesus’ witnesses. If Christianity is true, would you be a christian?
@@felipev.7031
I was a Christian for over 20 years. I only became an atheist once I realized that there was zero evidence to support any of the foundational stories in the Bible. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that supports Christianity, which is why scientists are much more likely to be atheists, compared to the population as a whole.
There is no reason for you to think that the gospel writers knew anyone associated with Jesus. We don’t know who the are. We do know that the contradict each other in parts, and directly plagiarize each other in others. Christianity cannot be true, since their god Yahweh, can’t exist as he is written in the Bible. His. attributes and actions completely negate themselves and make him a nonsensical character. Not to mention that Yahweh was a minor deity in an earlier polytheistic religion. We know that Judaism itself was polytheistic and there is sill evidence of that in the Bible itself. The Israelites gradually changed his story and THEY CREATED HIM, as the sole creator god, and called themselves his chosen people.
@@roems6396 I respect your opinion, And I may have not looked as much evidence as you could have looked. I studied science myself and it was after I used it to find what was truth that I became a christian. So, I would say that I was opposite of you. But, maybe think about this: If it’s true that you could not find scientific evidence that christianity is true even when you were a christian for 20 years, that only tells me you were looking for ways to disprove your own faith rather than looking for ways to prove it. I say this because wherever you put your focus on it’s where your heart will lead you even if you are an atheist. Most scientist are atheist because they are taught to only believe in what their reasoning can interprete. Science does not speak or interprete, scientist do according to their scientific method. Do you really think they like finding evidence that tells them they are wrong and that all their lives have been wasted in trying to deny that there is a God?
There is only 2 possibilities: Either everything came from nothing or everything cane from something. What is more possible? If everything came from nothing, which is what atheist scientics believe, then they believe in at least one miracle.
I agree that the Israelites were polytheistic, and judaism back it up. I agree that for them YHWH was a minor deity. The Bible proves it, so is the Bible saying the truth? However, seems like not all of them believed YHWH was a minor diety, and seems like somehow it’s always very, very few people that gets the idea and were able to prophecy what was going to happen hundreds of years after.
I haven’t been a christian as long as you, but it was only when I understood what being born again meant that I could met Jesus myself and prove to myselft that all of this is real. Just what’s happening to someone wait more intelligent than me, Jodan Peterson.
@@felipev.7031
Yes, Felipe. Science is based on people proving other scientists wrong. You’re implying that they just didn’t find evidence because they don’t want to. Any scientist that finds evidence that disproves earlier accepted science...wins a Nobel Prize and becomes a millionaire. So your implication is silly.
No, I was trying to find evidence to support my earlier beliefs! I learned things that completely contradicted what I had been taught. This forced me to look for evidence to support my belief in Christianity. It was at this point that I sat down an read the whole Bible. These actions shows me how incredibly savage and disgusting the Bible is, and that there’s nothing at all to support the claims it makes.
There are no fulfilled prophecies in the Bible. A prophecy must be specific to a time, place, and event. There’s nothing like that in the Bible. It only has vague predictions on an infinite timeline. All vague predictions will come true on such a timeline.
Your words show that it is YOU who believes because you wanted to believe. Every single time I’ve talked to a former atheists turned theist, it is clear that they weren’t atheists for a good reason. You weren’t an atheists because you had researched religions and the problems with them. You weren’t an atheists because you used proper skepticism. You just weren’t brainwashed into it as a child, and later decided to join for, probably, bad reasons.
But I don’t want to assume. What’s your best piece of evidence that convinced that that, not only a god exists, but that the Canaanite god Yahweh was the real one?
Hi. I got a lot from your understanding and explanations of what Dr. Perterson was saying. When you were using the river analogy it really sparked my understanding and imagination. I had thoughts of a tree with the roots (root words) as the foundation. The trunk as the strength and support (established words). And the branches and leaves growing (new words). Then you mentioned a network of words. Studies show that trees are linked together by a vast root network and actually communicate with each other.
Just thought I'd share :)
All glory to GOD!
Good to see that Peterson is finally coming to the The Truth
Is he coming to it or bringing "the truth"?
It doesn't originate with him, so, coming to.
How so? Learning scripture doesn’t mean he believes the truth. Don’t be fooled man. Unless he acknowledges he’s a sinner and repents from his sin and believes upon the Lord Jesus this means nothing.
@@SirWalrusButt556 just wait and see; he is just explaining his very recent revelation...
I watch this segment over and over again. And come back to it periodically 🙂. Both Mr. Peterson and Pastor Wilson bring a simple definition of where we come from and “it can’t be any other way”.
Love these videos. They help me better understand Scripture. Thank you
“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.”
John 5:39 KJV
His own fairly recent brush with his own immortality has awakened him. Prayerfully hoping it’s the drawing power of the Almighty.
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Thank You Doug Wilson for this commentary on Jordan Peterson. There are so many believers and young people doing their best to understand how the things that Jordan says relate to our knowledge and understanding of Biblical Truth. Please keep us updated on JBP. Soli Deo Gloria
Joe Rogan: So, what you’re saying is that Constantine is the source of all truth?
😆😆😅😅🤣🤣
🤣hilarious
Peterson is a self-professing believer from what I understand. There’s a UA-cam video called something along the lines of “I can’t believe I believe in Christ”, where he states openly that he accepts the miracle doctrine.
So nice to hear your words of encouragement about Peterson. It would be a dream to hear you guys talk for a few hours. You might see if you can get him on the plodcast or something.
Have a great day!
Really loving these videos!
Thank you for explaining what he said. I saw this clip earlier, and my head was kind of spinning.
That's one reason why sometimes rightly dividing the word can be tricky. We are so far downstream from the culture of the original authors, living in the culture that has been influenced by the book so deeply. Our historical and cultural understanding of the text can bias our individual reading of the text, which is not a bad thing as long as that bias puts us closer to the real truth, but it can sometimes be a hindrance.
Amen. Hence the need for exegetical preaching
"The revelation that Scripture discloses to us does not just consist in a number of disconnected words and isolated facts but is one single historical and organic whole, a mighty world-controlling and world-renewing system of testimonies and acts of God.”
Herman Bavinck, Reformed Dogmatics, Vol. I, p 340
This means that we can overcome darkness and triumph over Evil through words. Awesome
Love this. Your witty commentary is the icing on the cane
Back when I first started listening to Peterson he said during Maps of Meaning, can't remember which lecture, "Jesus is the meta-fish upon which we continually feast." I can't remember how he got to that statement but I remember thinking that it was very strange that a non-Christian could have that insight and come to that conclusion.
I was not entirely sure about what Dr. Peterson was talking about when I first saw this clip on UA-cam. Thank you for breaking this down, for me. Now that I can understand this, it is so much more impactful and profound.
Very well spoken and interesting. I enjoy this level of analysis.
I feel like a parent at an Easter egg hunt. Its thrilling when he finds one and agonizing when he clumsily wattles past the massive multi colored stripped ones.
Imagine how god must feel with us like^999 😂
I'm happy to see Doug on a regular basis. He was my "ethics" instructor at the U of I. An 8 o'clock class upstairs in the admin building. I was the guy in the front row going" what about....?". Most annoying for the hungover Greeks in the back row just trying to fulfill their core. 😎 One of my favorite classes. Watched you with Hitchens as well. Keep it up Doug. Always a stimulating speaker.
Thank you so much Pastor Wilson 👍 Amen
Thank you for translating what Jordan was saying. That helped.
This broke my brain
10/10 will watch again
One of the great commentaries on the topic. Just wow.
Very enlightening thank you
Pretty amazing to see a man recognize and come to the conclusion. That the Bible is the necessary precondition for intelligibility. Lol
Sure, but salvation is more than that. If one says they are a Christian and their testimony is just that they were convinced by the evidence and that’s their entire testimony, that’s not true saving faith…it’s just an intellectual ascent to the Bible, but if the Father is not drawing him, they just have a mere profession. People mention C.S. Lewis and Peterson has been reading Lewis. Problem is, Lewis and the other people he was friends with (one of them being the catholic Tolkien who made lord of the rings and even had a Jesuit priest ask him if the main female role (don’t remember who, the woman with blonde hair I think) and this Jesuit asked Tolkien if that was their “Blessed Lady” and he said yes. Tolkien invited Lewis to witches’ seances…I don’t understand the love for C.S. Lewis he wasn’t even a real Christian…
@@stevenl1706 I didn’t say anything about him being a Christian.
But I will say this, salvation comes by faith in the person and finished work of Christ. And someone can have true saving faith and believe things that aren’t true. Such as wrong beliefs about Mary. Just like you may have saving faith. And at the same time you believe that you are able to tell who was and wasn’t a true Christian in the past.
Where in scripture do you find the idea that we must commit intellectual suicide to have faith in Christ?
@@T-Wyler not sure why your asking that question???
@@rickypickering1201 um…yes there are distinct doctrinal lines when it comes to the borders of what is good and what is evil. So I have repented before God and put my faith in in his Son the Lord Jesus Christ as the scripture commands in order to be given a saving faith by God. You’re telling me that some catholic (who doesn’t believe the things I believe and doesn’t even believe the Bible is enough to know all truth regarding how to be reconciled back to the Lord your Creator) is gonna be going to heaven even though the Christian actually walked according to God’s word and the catholic believes what their priest told them? I don’t think so. I used to think Christianity was basically Catholicism but Mary is even called “the other Mary” or “Mary the mother of James and Joses and Simon (these were the “half brothers” of Jesus. It never says
To worship mary or “the saints.” A saint is someone who is right related to the Lord Jesus Christ.
I've been following doctor Peterson for many years, own a few of his books and it's been interesting and fantastic to watch this intellectual geniuses path to Christianity. Peterson has a massive following with young men and believe God is using him to reach the periodical sons.
Peterson is the prophet to the world, he is warning them of their folly. God is not content to let us run into the abyss without warning. Unlike Balaam, Peterson sees the beauty of Jesus. He desires the best possible world, yet the veil of doubt has not been lifted from him. He is accomplishing many strange things by Holy Spirit revealing mysteries to him. I long for him to receive sonship and not just resign himself to servantship.
Powerful punch!! God bless Dr. Peterson.
I enjoyed that very much Doug!!
Doug can you interview John Lovell from the Warrior Poet Society?
Probably the last time he will go on the Joe Rogan Podcast 😅
Need more commentary on this please! J Peterson was the gateway to D Wilson, Jordan inspires young men but when Peterson hasn't taken them far enough they need to come here
I knew you'd be on this one! What a statement by JP!!
It's amazing to witness someone literally reason their way to faith in Christ. Yes, it's like going around your elbow to get to your rear, but he gets there nonetheless.
It’s a stronger faith imo. Because then not even logic can undo your faith because you’ve already gained multiple paths to Christ.
Some say amazing, others say sad
We're never as strong, as we are until we have to be. Never Do as much, unless the need we see. Only give our best, when we fail at mediocrity. We Love rather than hate when we admit we're one humanity. We always give more, when compassion moves our heart with unbridled generosity. We Become more of our potential when we are made to see, that clearly our minds can believe in unfathomable possibilities, while seizing every opportunity, here in lies one's destiny. More than our scars, higher than our stars, for in our flaws are what defines our features, they're uniquely ours, as human creatures.
We can run faster than on our slowest day. Reason better, and thinking it through all the way, regardless which direction our emotions may sway. We can find our voice when speechless, our strong words with meekness and our Courage in weakness. Always patience not quickness. Silence for peace than loudness, quietness of fear, not hopeless, for time and effort are equally unbiased. We are more than the stories we're told, we're the one's we write, each page unfold. We are the sum of our Lies and truth, fantasy, fiction, faith, and myths, no matter how uncouth. These are what shape us, our lives lived is the proof. We can be more right than wrong. More just than judge. More godlike than unlike. Reflecting Sunlight in our darkest night.
Providing refuge. Never more alive until we die within and begin again. A Human Ark Divine in our human spark.
by
Steven Gooden
God used Jordan Peterson to pull me out of atheism. Praise the Lord!
Glory to God!
Yes! Phenomenal commentary!
Thank you sir.
Amen! That’s precisely right. Joe Rogan depends on the truthfulness of Christianity to reject God.
Not sure Rushdoony coined it but I believe that's where I got it ... like a petulent ungrateful child, he has to climb into God's lap to slap his face.
@@JonJaeden you heard that from Greg Bahnsen
Jordan Peterson seems so close to having a full blown presuppositional breakthrough.
And yet he doesn't. He's a fraud.
Pastor Doug did a great job of breaking down what he was saying because I had no idea. I think pastor Doug and Dr Peterson would have a really fruitful talk. Would love to have an hour long podcast discussion with the two of them.
The way JP talks, it'd have to be three hrs, minimum.
I watch this when I need strength, to remind me of the truth. Which leaves me with tears flowing from my eyes, and I don’t know why. Follow your tears. What moves you is what you should pursue. That is the best I can transpose my own emotions.
Jesus instructed his disciples to be wise as serpents and as harmless as a dove. How are you doing on becoming wise as a serpent? Know any serpent mind tricks?
Desire
"..the Bible is the precondition for the manifestation of Truth." Virtually, the only people I've heard using words like "precondition" are presuppositionalists. I wonder if Peterson has been listening to guys like Pastor Wilson. I hope so. It sounds like he might be.
Jordan’s current struggle from his most recent statements is being able to wrap his mind around things like “while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us.” Essentially what I got is that he doesn’t want to call himself a believer until his lifestyle perfectly matches his belief. He seems to struggle with the fact that he, as well as we all, are incapable of being perfect in our flesh. He seems to have this backwards idea that you need to be perfect and THEN God will save you and call you His child. To the contrary it’s the exact opposite. You CANNOT do anything pleasing to God or walk in victory over sin until you’re FIRST born again, which is a free gift given completely on your trust in Him, and not by your own merits. Otherwise Jesus would not have had to make the sacrifice He did. If we could attain a right standing with God on our own merit…why then was Christ crucified. If he comes to understand that conundrum correctly he will certainly surrender himself to God and receive eternal life. He just needs to get over that last critical hurdle of just admitting you’re a sinner and not good enough to get to heaven on your own instead of trying to be good enough on his own before making a profession of faith.
Amen. King David said in Psalms 51:12 “Restore to me the joy of Thy salvation and Thy free Spirit.”
He would not say such a thing if sin caused us to lose our salvation, but sin can certainly take the joy from it. He said these words after committing adultery. Nobody but Christ was perfect.
“While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” Romans 5:8
WOW eye opener. thanks
He has to formulate a scientific, psychological, biological and historical significance before atheists will follow him into the realm of religious understanding. Most atheists see the religious as a group of superstitious yokels begging for favors and salvation from a bearded man in the sky. Jordan lays a path through multiple domains to help them discover objective significance where only subjective significance was perceived.
If I had to guess, I'd say that religious thinking is critical to the healthy functioning of a society due to mankind's propensity towards it - and that some systems are better at maintaining order than others, the least of which being those that are freshly concocted (like political theories turned religions -Marxism-). I only think that, as opposed to thinking that Christianity is useless, dangerous relic of a more primitive age, precisely because Dr. Peterson has lead me there.
I don't think he's missing a path for himself. I think he has to make a path large enough for all of us.
wow that's encouraging
I've prayed for Our LORD to open up Jordan's eyes and heart to The Word, and I know that a lot of others have as well. It's so wonderful to see those prayers answered!
Honestly, as a huge fan of Doug Wilson, I really don’t think Peterson was making any kind of claim about The Bible being true to reality. I think he was just saying that our modern culture in America is impossible to conceive of without the context of a culture with a biblical foundation. The ideas and morals that came from the Bible were passed on imperceptibly into every generation and those that think they are moral in and of themselves have not given thought to where the credit should lie. I do hope that God is drawing Peterson into a knowledge and relationship of/with him, but this clip did not lead me to believe that necessarily
But I think the way Peterson framed his view is that it makes the Bible FAR MORE than merely a set of premises, as we see in logic. Rather this statement about the Bible presents it as the BASIS for Logic and Truth!
@@mountbrocken So was there no logic or truth before the Bible? I think I agree w Margie here.
True.
But, if the formation of the bible was the beginning of how we now perceive reality, does that not transcend it to being reality in and of itself?
I think it may mean that without the Bible, at least in Western culture, the meaning, and all the applications of truth and logic would be much different, assuming those words were even used as the basis for civilization at all.
No, I think what he was getting at that the bible is fundamentally a way of seeing the world that goes beyond seeing threads through history.
Which is a bit different to your reading of it.
You can tell Joe Rogan was lost because he didn't interject any commentary. Also he claimed people who believed in the Bible were STUPID but it's hard to say that when the man making the claim" the Bible is the basis of truth", is smart than him.
"[Rogan] claimed people who believed in the Bible were STUPID"
I don't follow Rogan closely at all, but I get the impression that you're correct - he CLAIMED (past tense) people who believed the Bible were stupid. Check out the title "A Message to Joe Rogan | Voddie Baucham, Jeff Durbin, Greg Bahnsen" at the YT channel ReformedWiki2.0. He appears to be modifying his views.
@@PanhandleFrank I'm aware of this video and I believe his back tracking correlates with the multiple videos of Dr. Peterson coming to Christ. Joe has respect for Dr. Peterson so he must rethink his position.
Pastor Doug is a dear Elder on the frontline, appreciate the work Gods Sovereign hand does in and through him. Run dear brother for the glory of God and to edify His already but not yet bride and to call the unbelieving to waters of the Gospel of Christ the King!!
I remember when I came to the same conclusion as Peterson. I would say things differently but it’s close. I remember getting so excited about it. The excitement hasn’t gone away.
First one!
this is the clinical psychologist who got addicted to benzos and doest know how variable selection works right?
"Dr". Ok.
Yup. Such a shame this is what passes for an intellectual these days.
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Timothy:3:7
Commenting for the algorithm. I'm glad Peterson discussed this where he did.
Jordan is nearing a C.S. Lewis sort of conversion. Intellectually and logically, all roads lead to Christ. And Jordan, just like C.S., is finding that out.
First, JP talks nonsense when talking outside his field of study. Second, Doug Wilson is only known for two things: Getting Hitch slapped by Christopher Hitchens, and secretly recording him in a limo without his knowledge.
And yet, you're here.
Amazing!
Love this