I Was Not Expecting this to Happen-Pt. 2
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In this video I'm working with an ex jumping horse who has been to rear and strike. I found out he had trouble accepting the saddle and bit in this video. I'm using natural horsemanship techniques to read him better and improve our overall communication and his understanding of pressure.
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BO Zel... used to use them like crazy
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Ridden not rode, dear. Use correct grammar when you speak. you sound a lot more professional when you use the right words
He’s in pain!
You need to x- ray him!
So glad you can show us how important it is to work with the horse where they are at. It's way smarter to adjust plans than it is to force a horse to do something.
If it were pain, as so many keyboard trainers have suggested on here, the horse would not have softened and done better after an hour. He would not have become unstuck at that last minute of the video. If it were physical pain, he would have just gotten worse. Mr. Rose was 100% correct in his approach in dealing with the mental and emotional problems in this horse. You cannot see in a video all the things that you can see while on the ground actually handling the horse. You cannot learn from watching what is happening if you are suggesting from a distance that you already suspect you know what is happening.
Sure you have a point but did you see how heavily he was breathing to the point his nostrils flared out.
@@tanyaoellermann I did. I have seen a lot of angry, spoiled horses do the exact same thing when they are asked to do something that they don’t want to do and have gotten away with saying no before.
I guess you're a keyboard trainer too
@@lorimcentarfer7413 Nope. I do it in real life for a living.
I have pain (mostly back and knees) every morning when I get up. After an hour or so of moving, I soften up too😉
Ryan, that horse jammed his atlas on the right side. That's why his right ear is down and he is shaking his head so much. He might also have jammed his TMJ on that side. Also check his hyoid. (I'm a veterinary chiropractor).
My thoughts exactly
His attitude immediately changed with the bridle. There is something off about his ears or bit. I'm really enjoying the video and training but I'm pausing about why he's doing the head shaking.
Not a horse guy.... thank you so much for showing how this is done. I have had opportunities to ride but have a great deal of respect (and caution) for the size and power of these animals. The subtleties have obviously taken you many years to learn. My friends with horses have never given me the slightest glimmer of these sensibilities.
I am so glad the owner hired you to work with her horse. This horse needs you Ryan.
We do battle reactment and take a big deal of training horse to stay calm in many different disturbing circumstances, but at home to make the total battle experience is impossible, so the best practice when a horse is first time in the action we keep the new ones in between the experienced calm horses. This was the old days of horse training in my country (Hungary), as a foal learned everything from it's mom what life is like around humans, always learn new things in the company of experienced horses. I appreciate your lessons, we don't have this luxury anymore, learning from you, since we have a dominant young mare.
We make things so difficult when we don't have mature solid horses.. 😅 I have a boss mare too. She's ride and drive but a bit scared of big lorries and won't listen. She's only a pony, if I knew anyone with an old cart horse we could probably sort it in no time.
I think both Ryan and the owner have been involved with enough horses to know to first sort out possible pain issues. Ryan is not an idiot and the owner is clearly a caring and devoted horse owner. I trust Ryan.
I'm impressed that you didn't "cowboy up" , but adjusted your training plan to circumstances.
That's right, training.
I agree
Def want to see part 3! Love this guy and watching him progress. I think he’s learning to trust more than anything. So thankful you can help him! Seems he’s been mishandled.
I am a "reknewed" rider. I used to ride when I was young. I am now 52 years old and haven't rode in 20 years. The first time I rode, I got thrown. Then I bought a beautiful horse that was trained really well. But since I was thrown I was afraid. He got barn spoiled and now I am more nervous. I am now taking riding lessons. Its me, I am the problem. I am learning everyday and I can't wait to ride my horse. Thank you for your videos!
I am so happy that you realize it's not the horse. So many people do not realize how quickly they can ruin a horse. It doesn't take a lot. Enjoy your riding journey.
You made the comment that we the viewers would like it if you got your cowboy on for the videos. I wanted to say o really enjoy your videos due to the fact that you DON'T cowboy the horse instead you teach them. So I just 2ant3d to say thank you on the behalf of the horses you work with and for teaching others that there are ways of doing without endangering you and the horse. Ride safe
This is a beautiful, sensitive horse. What a good boy he is actually Great heart.
I agree about pain. A lot of bad behavior is from pain. Snaffle bits cause severe scarring on the roof and bars of the mouth. UC Davis discovered this many moons ago. It’s one of the worst things you can use. I absolutely love this man’s training..but what many trainers don’t and can’t out of lack of knowledge is the equipment.. I was an equine vet assistant for many years. Find a bit that your horse is happy with. A soft curb usually does the trick both western & English. Then make sure the saddle isn’t pinching or rubbing. You’ll need experts in that field to help if you’re having issues. Poor horses try to communicate their discomfort and pain…usually no one’s listening.
I love the soft, patient way Ryan works with this horse. A very well known horseman used to always say “ never rush a horse” and Ryan’s willingness to meet the horse where he is and adapt his methods and timeline to meet the horse’s needs is commendable. I do want to comment on the horse’s very labored breathing even after it appears he’s been standing for a bit. I’ve only seen that type of panting breathing in a horse that isn’t sweating in a couple of horses I’ve known that had anhidrosis. It appears from the palm trees this is a hot climate - FL, AZ - where incidences of anhidrosis in horses are much more common than in cooler climates. His breathing is more like a racehorse after a race than a horse that is doing a little bit of relatively slow ground work.
One example for being calm is when I was at an endurance race riding a young warm blood and it was cool and windy at the start and the wind caught a hold of the tent at the register area and it flew off over our heads…there was about 30 horses standing around me and they all reacted and some began to frek out so I grabbed the reins of my daughters horse while I was mounted and said whoa loudly and since my large 17.2 hand horse stood there… all the horses looked my way and didn’t run off… lol … a similar thing happened when I was riding my appy out in the field with my family and my older daughter’s standard bred who thinks he is a stud did a loud blowout thru his nose and stood there like a clown watching the other horses run … one horse ran right into my horse’s ribs and I yelled whoa and the other horses stopped and looked while I laughed holding the morab and my lovely appy never moved… I miss her dearly…😢… she foundered right after a west Nile vaccine and had to be put down:( she was a wild mustang and was one of the nicest most honest horse I ever rode.
I am so sorry for your loss. I spoke with Ft Dodge vet after a competition horse had a paralyzed LF for several days after a vaccine. There are huge numbers of adverse events.
I really like this horse! Can't wait to see the progress!
I enjoy seeing the process & I am glad you are taking it slow. Good for you!!
Head shaking with bit, he’s not acting disrespectful
Very cool and interesting series with this horse, I hope there will be a part 3. Might also be worth checking his teeth, they can often be a problem that is not immediately obvious, but cause pain to the horse. This horse is really gorgeous too, love the videos! 🥰👍
Poor guy seems to be handled wrong and was bullied..
Thank you for taking the time to open up a healthy communication..
loved seeing the progress and how you are working through his past issues and really taking the time he needs.
Again so expertly done Ryan. The horse thanks you
Had a horse at our yard that was a jumper, had ulcers , he became so dangerous even after treated he couldnt be ridden. He had the sweetest nature you could tack him up even hack out at a walk, but anything above that nope. So the big guy 17hh cross warmblood , became the best friend to any new horses that arrived . Vet had said he thought as the ulcers had been pretty bad, he wondered if pain rememberance was a trigger.
i ride a horse which is very introverted and sometimes she bucks out of the blue. we have checked her saddle she got a new one now and we checked her for ulcers and we had to treat her. But I am still not sure if these issues were the whole reason for her to buck. she is a very brave horse but she reacts to sound (street). sometimes i feel that she gets stuck just as you said in that video. Your videos really help to get new inputs in how to check and finding out where the problem is. really appreciate it!
Not surprised peoples first thought were pain...... I was thinking wolf teeth! But the way he softened and relaxed was really nice! 🥰🥰 After more than 40 years with horses (both work and hobby) I have several scary stories! 😅😅 But also stories so precious you must have been ther to believe them! ❤❤ Horses are phenomenal and they teach you new skills all the time!!!
Ryan is the real deal. He has helped me tremendously. He can read the horses so well. He helped me gain more confidence
Thank you for continuing to share updates on the progress. This is a very interesting horse to see your interactions.
As a massage therapist I would gently massage his gums and lips, also pulling gently his lips (especially the corners where the bit touches) top and bottom in any and all directions, and check his A-O joint for misalignment. Most jumpers are ridden with a lot of mouth gear and have dead mouths as well as pain so your plan to work more with the bit is a good one. When I have a horse with similar reactions to the bit, I massage the gums and lips first then softly massage with the bit, and sometimes work his gums and lips with the bit in. Also check the masseter and frontal muscles for pain/tension.
His wife is a physical therapist for horses, they always do a full evaluation to rule out pain, illness or other medical problems first.
The horse is not in pain, he is reacting to bad memories.
@@Goldenhawk583 I agree
Gotta agree with momislazy, has this horse been vetted for any chiropractic issues? Teeth issues? If he was an ex-jumping horse, he may have jarred something out of whack. He looks like he's trying but having pain and can't do it. Especially with the shaking of the head after each time...
The thing is though none of it showed up when the pressure came from the halter, implying that the bit is the problem. Could be teeth I suppose...
Something definitely wrong with this horses body 😢
Agreed. Dental exam and chiropractic would be my thoughts as well. The poor guy seems willing to learn and accept what Ryan is teaching but there’s possibly some thing else happening
May still be hurting from ulcers
His wife is a physical tharipist-and they always check to make sure it isn't pain
All that head shaking during and after lateral flexion to the right…something tickles? hurts? pinches? ears? neck? teeth?
I used to be in a mounted unit. I was riding a horse as part of his re-evaluation ride for injuring another rider. He'd broken her spine in several places. There is a standardized list of tasks we have to achieve to "clear" a horse post-incident.
Part of clearing them is taking them on a group ride in a large ring and going through pace transitions for a set amount of time. At that time, it was a minimum of an hour.
We were walking, he was the second horse in a line formation. The horse in front of us reared and ran.
My horse then decided to demonstrate that he'd missed a career in the bronc riding circuts. He did this by bucking his way through a solid two-thirds of the ring. That was truly an impressive performance. I saw about half of it from the ground.
I knew what I was signing up for when I agreed to do the evaluation on him. I'd known this horse for years. With him you were either fine or you wouldn't be, and there was no point in getting panicked about it. Seeing the front of his neck wasn't fully unexpected on my part.
They did end up discharging him. Turns out when you have a horse that has broken more than one person's spine, they aren't suited for public service.
Great video! Such a nice horse and glad you are involved! Looking forward to seeing the progress!!
This horse has improved greatly since the last video- he is beautiful so I hope he gets to where he needs to be for his owner; your videos are enjoyable to watch and it is always amazing to see the transformation in the horses
Thank you for showing your response to him pulling that badly on the bit. Sometimes i feel like I'm doing too much or too little when they respond like that, but you showed a nice medium.
Something very common in show jumping and cross country is over-bitting, basically using a leverage or twisted wire bit (or both) combined with a tight drop noseband to prevent them opening their mouth. Which might explain his reaction to bit pressure in the flexing. He is expecting pain from the bit and proactively fighting it. Its not uncommon to see horses bleeding from the mouth during professional show jumping comps.
Exactly my thought too! All these comments saying it's a medical issue, but I think it's a learned issue from remembered pain. Even without harsh bits, people can be cruel with the hands.
I would think that would be an automatic disqualification because it's so unnecessary and cruel.
@@evelynwaugh4053 Unfortunately you only need to watch professional eventing to see that double twisted wire gag bits, combined with a lever noseband, chain under the jaw, and a martingale, are legal and used. Marilyn Little rode a horse Scandalous in just such a combo in 2018 if you google you'll see blood in the horses mouth
I agree with u , I’m no expert but this beautiful animal is shouting out please listen to me , it’s pain 💯
It's not pain. @@AmandaPerks-e9h
You know when everyone is saying pain, regardless of.him being checked out a second opinion is good to have. Beautiful boy.
I hope you keep this series going. Have one with less baggage but more "electric" and this is very interesting to watch and learn from
I started training an ardenner to be a wagon horse. She is really introverted and can blow up out of nowhere and she don't allow leading from behind. She took of 2 times with the pulling lines and lost all connection. Now we went to saddle training with your fundamentele training and she does brilliantly. It's a draft horse that doesn't want to draft 😂. But your training videos have helped a lot. So thank you for your help and InSite
It seems as though he may have pain in his mouth. Have his teeth been done? Head shaking…..throwing it up…..chewing. Something hurts.
Mesmerized by these videos!! You’re a real horse whisperer. Thank you for sharing your knowledge ❤
well we learned alot today. I am glad he is working through it. Thank you for helping him out.
When you bend his head to the right, it makes me wonder if he has something going on with his teeth based off his reaction .
I noticed this in the first video and see it here as well: This fella really communicates a lot with his ears. It's very interesting to watch. He's quite lovely and seems to be doing a lot of the normal things horses do when they're learning. He looks pretty when he bucks! 😁
The head shaking with the lateral flexion almost as if he has pain
yep that right side id guess has something going on in either c6-c7 or tmj maybe
Had the same thought. Would have a vet check him out.
I would think he has hock pain … he moves like it … even his stifle joints move oddly… perhaps needs his stifles injected with good joint acid and those hocks X-rayed … he is a large horse and the hocks go first and then the stifles and then the spinal column.
yup, saw the hock or stifle issue early in the video as well. @@lakota123max
I was wondering that watching the first video of the horse moving. Hope no pain.💜
So thankful for these videos, and thank you for giving us the Patreon information
Hi Ryan, I'm just seeing this vid so I'm hoping someone or yourself has made similar observation of this very lovely horse. As a long time subscriber, I greatly enjoy your work and helps me keep my skills sharp. For this horse though, I'd like to share the observation is this horse is giving all the signs, politely, that he has cervical vertabrae out of place. May even in his lumbar but his reaction to (one side) flexion request and then all the head/neck shaking is indicative of nect pain/pinching. He was doing an excessive amount of head shaking, even when no pressure involved. He isn't spooking, he's getting a pinch twinge in his spine somewhere. Jumping horses are subjected to an incredible amount of concussion upon landings from hooves through entire body which could easily put cervical joint out of place or cause pinching. Or, he's had a jumping crash. This would explain so much of his 'sudden' change of behavior even though he's 'trying' to be compliant. Maybe he has been seen by chiropractor but as you know that not all trainers are created equal, neither are chiropractors. It would be interesting to see him after a visit from Dr. Doug Willen. He's the most thorough practitioner I've ever seen (I've worked and viewed several over nearly forty years) and would be worth it for the future of the horse.
That horse is gorgeous! Nice work Ryan, great video
That looks like pain avoidance
Check out 17:14 minutes. He explains why the horse does this
Have his teeth been checked? Is it possible he has had a neck injury? I would ask a vet to have a look in his mouth at the very least. Try flexion without a bit in to see if he still shows pain on flexion.
Get his tmj, dental, pole looked at. Something is off in his head region with that kind of reaction for lateral flexion
Personally, I don't like the way his back end is moving at a trot or canter. Actually, on both sides, whether he goes right or left. I don't like any of his responses, especially with his head. This is an agitated horse. Not a horse that needs training. He's acting like this because he hurts. If he's been looked at by an equine chiropractor, I'd be finding another chiro.
When this gelding's owner said people couldn't believe she owned this horse, wow, did that bring back memories. Years ago, 20 to be exact, I adopted a gorgeous horse from a rescue. Paid a handsome sum for her, too....and just like this owner, people couldn't believe I now owned this mare. Then the former farrier wanted to talk to me. He actually said, "I know she's beautiful, but she's not worth getting hurt over"...and it went on and on....the stories I heard that an equitation stable did to her were horrible. She was a horse in pain. I kept seeing something in the back end, when everyone else said she was fine. Well, she wasn't fine. Finally found a chiro...and my gosh, this horse was out all over...ribs, neck, pelvis. Her back end was sooo bad, we kept putting it back in place, then it would go out. The chiro said she had been out for sooo long, she wasn't sure she would ever be right. My vet knew the rescue, got in my face and told me to give her back, that I didn't cause her issue, the previous owners did. Gave her back, cried my eyes out. Stupid owner and the stable ruined a beautiful, beautiful mare.
except that the horse has already been evaluated for pain... Ryan's wife is fully qualified to make that assessment as she has demonstrated in a couple other videos.
Yep Ryan, had one flip over on his back. Reared straight up and came down on his back. Had we not been in a round pen with fairly soft sand, I’d have been mashed. As it was, I broke my left hand when the saddle came down as I put my hand up in defense.
It seems he's more challenged on his right side, both with the knuckle pressure to the ribs, and with his neck. Perhaps he needs a chiropractic adjustment?
I love your videos Ryan! (watching from the UK)
Enjoying this and your process and narration. The reaction to the bit with right flexion and his head shaking after made me wonder if there’s some sort of pain. Teeth or trigeminal nerve? It didn’t seem completely behavioral to me, I though he really seemed a bit physically uncomfortable. Maybe I’ll find out in the next video.
Excellent Job!
Teeth? Amazing to remember at this stage that we put each others life in our hands / hooves. Out there on the trail anything can happen and to have that bond of trust both ways is such an honor and responsibility. I love the sharing of senses and both of you knowing you are looking out for each other. I worked "metal free" for a while, (no bits or shoes), and to my surprise found the going was easy. Feeling the proper grip in the feet and easy head response felt good. Had the right horse. I have met horses who don't like the flapping bits of straps around their face. The bridle was ok when all the strap end keepers were sorted. Nice work Ryan. Thanks.
It could be teeth. But it's important to remember that this horse has also had a lot of time off so it could just be getting used to it again. As for the metal free thing, it's important to remember that not every horse will be okay in a bitless not to mention you're putting direct pressure on their nose which has more sensitive nerves and can cause a lot of distress. It just depends on the horse though
@@NuggieIsMissingAbsolutely. Very gentle hands and it has to be the right horse. Good point on the time off. I've seen horses go feral more than once! Great fun bringing them back into work. I met one that if it heard a human speak it would disappear into the woods. All I could do was sit in the paddock and make silly noises to get her back! Curiosity got the better of her in the end but real slow work. Horse time is not like human time. I swear they have a sense of humor. Gotta love them.
I had an experience with an Arabian mare once where she bolted into a gallop with me during a riding lesson. She heard my trainer ask if I wanted to canter, I said no, but she anticipated canter, took off, and then started galloping with me. I was calm and relaxed for two laps and was trying to just ride it out but eventually I lost my balance and fell off. :)
If he was once a jumper, what changed in him? Perhaps many of the people commenting are right, regarding a potential health issue.
He's shaking his head; holding his right ear at an odd angle, as soon as the snaffle went in...an awful lot of mouthiness. Is that head gear bothering him, do you think?
I’m not really a riding guy, but I do like driving. I bought a “broke” Belgian, he would line drive nicely. First time I hitched him….disaster! I’ve learned through reading and you tube video’s, like yours, I am just as much to blame as he is. So for the past half a year I’ve been working on him and me. When you see the results of your training…..priceless.👍✌️
Question, why use a western saddle when he's used to English with no back girth? Why not do as much with what he's already used to instead of introducing new things when he's already so defensive? Genuine question, not trying to be expert or anything.
maybe he doesn't have an english saddle?
@@stephannewenhisen6439 they are easy to get...
Great video. He seems uneducated but not necessarily bad.
If he bends better in a halter than with a bit, the obvious first thing I'd check would be his teeth. Somehow, I'm thinking that's already been done??
Has this horse seen a chiropractor? He's shaking his head quite a bit makes me wonder if his poll is out. Since he was a former jumper, I wouldn't be surprised if he had ulcers or was magnesium deficient.
I'm sure they check them out to make sure
@stephannewenhisen6439 you would be surprised. Most trainers don't know how to check the horse over for possible problems such as the ones I mentioned. I used to work with a trainer that did check the horse upon arrival, videoed it for owner and had them get various problems addressed prior to working with said horse.
@@falconk9 That's a good sestym-but remember, Ryan is like most trainers
Story time: My late gelding farted loud, spooked himself and pulled me off of my feet because I was lunging him. As soon as I got up, I was too busy laughing and he was looking at me like "I could've been hurt!"
I just got my horse AJ and found he has a healed scar and two little scars on each side of his mouth where somebody was very rough with him in his mouth. He gets scared when I put his halter or hackamore on. I have gotten him to the point where I can deworm him with no issues and open his mouth, but as far as a bit, that is a no go.
Easy with the halter but not with the bit? Have his teeth been checked?
Love watching this.. i agree he looks in pain but also seems a bit traumatised.. i would be working with the signals his ears are giving off, would love to see release there
is it just me... that horse does not look sound. :(
For me Its my opinión he looks kind of lame
I would call an equine dentist & have him examined.
Really pretty horse
That horse is doing a lot of head shaking , which suggest to me he needs some body work done . Particularly at his poll ,and his reluctance to back up when asked ,says to me that he is out very much somewhere . He is trying to tell you that he is not right ,even though he was complying with what you asked of him .
Very interesting. However, i'm a little curious as to how you determine whether a horse is having behavioral issues, or is responding to pain? :)
How about having his teeth looked at?
Mouth and bit seems to be an issue
Awesome video Ryan!
You’re amazing
I gentle broke an Arabian and tries to use a bit, and he was not happy with a bit, so I used a hackmore and spent a lot of time getting him comfortable to the hackmore before I even got in the saddle. He was comfortable with the hackmore and got his trust so anything that you can do to build trust helps
I was teaching hunter jumper lessons with 10 children with my 10 horses and they were all following each other just walking around the fence line to warm up and my horse Pepe’ just all of a sudden stopped and didn’t want to “go” anymore so I got my flag (like you have) and just tapped him on his left hind corner side and said, come on let’s go, and my sweet boy of a horse literally turned around and bucked and kicked me in my right upper leg. I went “flyin” so to speak. He broke all my tendons in my leg. I still have the indent to this day in my upper leg and it’s been years since that happened. lol It was mid summer and he was like, “girl, I ain’t gonna go anymore, im hot as hell”lol I learned a whole lot from that experience…… 😂 I’ve also had to “break in” horses for a lot of people, and to me it’s NOT abt the money and the business, but about the horse. Just my opinion.
Stupid tax I really think paid off: I decided to slowly and calmly lead my new lease into his stall when I knew he had dragged a few students in, bolting from pretty much the moment their lesson was done and they left the arena. Managed to step into the stall first, but was nearly run over. We’ve been working on following and yielding a lot since then and get better every time 😊
You are right. As a view I’m slightly disappointed to have never seen things “go western” with you astride.
On the other hand I really appreciate all the info you provide to help me never have to ride through “going western.” Luckily our gelding is fairly low response. He’s done crow hopping a couple times but quits instantly if put into a turn and those hops aren’t much rougher than his trot so even I don’t fall off. I find my own ways to end up on the ground 😂.
The resistance on the right side can be caused because the horse doesn't want the person on the right side. I5 also can be because people have pulled on his mouth before
Wondering if he would have the same reaction under the English saddle?
He may need his pole or neck adjusted. This may explain why he through his head and fights bending. He may be in pain in that direction?
Is the bit hitting the top of his pallet-love the german silver or aurigan Herm Sprenger 3 piece bit with a rotated bullet-horses are not usually trying to hurt-they are trying to be comfortable-
I love Ryan’s channel because he avoids the “cowboy up” approach and looks for ways to meet the horses where they are.
That head shaking and “western behavior” and freezing up on the right bend is interesting. I’m confident Ryan will get him through this.
I agree
When my first horse developed a stifle issue the intermittent pain from that would make him very not-calm - understandably! On the other hand, he had an unexpected close encounter with cows, which terrified him into freezing, but he trusted me to get him out of it. I miss riding him so much, but he has too many physical issues, so now he’s “uncle” to my young horse. BTW, too many warmblood performance horses just don’t get enough education about regulating their bodies and emotions. “Holes” is putting it nicely.
Nice follow up video on this guy. He's definitely a little "stale". No doubt he wont take too long to recall and respond without get too upset. Following with interest.
I wonder if he needs his teeth checked.
The reaction was pain or discomfort. He has shown he is intelligent and willing and he is giving you very clear signals of discomfort and I’m at a loss as to why you are just ignoring him.
I am at a loss as why you think you know more than the trainer does.
@@kerrypickens8594 oh I just trained horses for 30 years
Me calm horse not…riding my 16 hand paint/arabian in our very rural neighborhood. Usually not a problem but when we started to ride past a neighbors pasture a whole flock of emus came running up to see us. I swear my horses eyes became saucers and he swapped ends so fast I thought he’d turned himself inside out. I got him stopped in about a hundred feet and looked behind us… Ryan he’d left his darn shoes in the road! I was so pissed, it was a new shoe job…🙄
Getting prepared instead of lucky ☘️ boy I know that I've been there with learning with my boys 🐎🐎 two of them about the same time walked on accidently pushed on
I would sure check his teeth since he doesn't have trouble flexing with the halter....
I suspect pain. That was a very dramatic change of behavior from the halter to the bit. Either rpain or memory of pain caused by a bit. Any chance they'd consider getting x rays and exam of his mouth? Switch to bitless?
I like the way you work with horse 🐎 Nanette
My situation where I was calm, but my horse wasn't was me and my mom were riding our usual trails, and there was a coyote up ahead on the trail. We saw them all the time, but this was a newer horse for me so far he had been in gem, but I don't think he had ever seen a coyote. He spooked and jumped. He hopped he tried to bolt, and I did everything I could to keep him from bolting, but it was very hard, especially remaining calm, because when your horse does spook it kind of spooks you a bit especially if you're not expecting it in the end I was able to Get him to do three left circles, and then just stand observe see that the animal was not a threat and we were able to ride on but it was definitely something I was not expecting!
As Ryan said, so many experts here!
I have loved following this horse and his journey! I know this is irrelevant to your training but I’m so invested I’d love to know how this horse was sold to the owner and why she or you believe these problems didn’t arise till after the fact. I know the owner seemed very timid and nervous as would I but can that really be the entire reason of his misbehavior?
I would like to check the teeth and the stomach.. right side is typical also for stomach problems.. pressure and bending and all this stuff.. great work.. I love it 👍
"Red lights" should include recognizing when a horse is in pain.
His wife is a physical therapist for horses, they always do a full evaluation to rule out pain, illness or other medical problems first.
The horse is not in pain, he is reacting to bad memories.
@hawk583 So I assume that they also ask a vet to check the horse mouth.
@@annachantalbottone2212 If having a bit in the mouth, just being in the mouth, and hardly any preassure on it was painful, then the horse would not be eating normally.
I am not sure why , but why would you assume that they dont know what they are doing?
@@Goldenhawk583
Maybe we don’t think he knows what he is doing because we also watched the video and saw him applying too much pressure.
@@Goldenhawk583Exactly, he's reacting to his memory of pain, he's in a "situation" were he has experenced pain in the past, now he's expecting pain cause his experience says this situation will cause him pain and reacting to his expectation of pain here.