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- Опубліковано 23 вер 2024
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That silver Kona Process with the gold fox looks so good
Doesnt it?! And the gold wheels? I was blown away. It also rides bitchin. I just wish it had space for a water bottle! Big miss!!!
Still not interested in having a battery on my acoustic bike, but the fact that it seems to work just like a regular shock when the battery is removed/dead is a selling point. Unfortunate the electronic drivetrains can't do that.
Yeah I find this far more acceptable than an electric drivetrain.
Fun to watch but I already have nightmares about charging watches and phones 😅
You mentioned battery life not being what you expected but never said how much was left after your 4hr ride. Would be interested to know about where it sat at the end if testing as a basic idea of expectation.
“It’s definitely not worse” lol
Remember the Specialized "Brain" shock? Things have come so far since then.
YES! I was having PTSD flashbacks to that thing during the initial presentation. Luckily, Livevalve is nothing like that old relic. I remember Brain being "meh" on the back of the Epic, then didn't Specialized push Fox to make a fork with it as well? Ewwww LOL!
Fox answer to flight attendant…..
Loved the video. As usual your opinions always seem genuine. I’m curious what you thought of Fox decision to not make this available on a fork. it sounds like Fox decided that this application has a place on the rear suspension only.
Not rocket since if you come from semiconductors and automotive, but finally the did it! Maaaan, how long have we waited for this low tec! :)
Hahaha yeah it's a different world- MUCH smaller industry, much smaller quantities, and honestly, much lower prices. Fox hired a ton of people to help develop the Neo communication system, that was what they were most psyched on.
Cool Tech, I wonder where we'll be in another 10 yrs
If battery tech gets better, self dropping seatposts will be cool. I think eMTBs will advance a TON in that time, but I'm guessing today's pedal bikes will still be pretty relevant.
Flying bikes 😀
I'm not interested in it, but I do appreciate it. I was wondering when truly active suspension would show up. It's ultimately not too complex to basically just run automated lockouts on poppet valves from an industrial view.
As always, appreciate your in dept coverage of all the things!
I would disagree on the pricing. You can get a similar shock without it firming up sometimes for half the price. We will see if bikes actually change but seems like cool innovation.
tried it last week, its pretty awesome
Works SO MUCH BETTER than I ever expected!
@@JeffKendallWeed quite a strange feeling, i used it on a rocky altitude climbing and it was cool
I wonder if Fox consulted with Peter Nguyen. He did something almost the same on his Stumpjumper for his mechanical engineering thesis at SJSU a few years ago.
Interesting take on it, Jeff. It would be interesting to try it on a bike that already has a "low" level of anti-squat (like the new santas cruz). I ride a bronson 4.1 everywhere from flat trails to bike parks. I don't see myself adding this to my bike anytime soon, but it does seem like I would be a good candidate for it.
Yeah the Bronson is a pretty open, playful bike- I wish I had a 230mm size version to try on the Bronson (or new Hightower), but alas, I do not!
I wrote this morning about bikes in 2038 having sensors for chunk and will automatically engage a pedal kickback system….joking but, man this is a crazy similar thing !!
I like the idea on Fox's Neo system, but it's insanely expensive. I would like to see a dumb but electric remote lockout though if it could be done for under $1k.
I think it's more realistic that new gen bikes, like all those new Santa Cruz's that just came out, will start using this stuff as OEM spec.
Live valve has been around for a while now though right? Maybe this neo version is new, but we don't see live valve or even flight attendant affecting bike design so far... how will this be different?
Didnt Santa Cruz JUST release both a Hightower and a Bronson in the last couple weeks- both with less anti squat? Would be a PERFECT application!
Once electronic controlled suspension is widely accepted there will be bikes with much less antisquat or strange levrage curves
Will it fit my hardtail?
Thank goodness you asked, Im sure there's an adapter kit somewhere LOL
@@JeffKendallWeed 😂
What about my rigid tandem?
should i get a new frame now or wait for the ones optimised for electronic suspesnion?
Also we need a timed test against flight atendant
LOL the timed testing was totally not conclusive! I did 2 runs on 2 trails back-to-back on the same day. Each trail was about 2 minutes, 15 seconds long. And on one trail, the system was 2 seconds faster. On the other, the system was 2 seconds slower. So perhaps that somewhat lower angle trail wasn't the right spot. I do think taller riders, who sit further back, will benefit more, and it's just a lot of personal preference. I don't have any flight attendant experience, but that would be a nice test.
@@JeffKendallWeed maybe extremer bikes (>170mm High Pivots) would profit more(beacuse they lose more pedalling). Or a rider who rides less smooth then you.
PS great Video
How does this differ from getting a custom tune on the damper?
Been riding the previous gen Fox Live Valve on my Pivot Switchblade and at first i thought it was gimmicky but dang, it really does make it easy on the trails. Interesting to see if it'd be worth looking at the Neo in comparison.
Alas, wish I had tried the wired system!
@@JeffKendallWeed swing by the PNW and you can take mine out for a spin 🤣
Can you make a video about what's the technical difference between fox livevalve neo and rockshox flight attendant?
I can't. I don't have any experience with Flight Attendant, nor do I have the components.
fox live valve neo: only the rear shock, shock is closed unless the electrronics opens it
Flight attendant: Rear shock+fork , system is always open unless electronics closes it
so there basic setup is pretty different
Hey, JKW!
Sorry to post this on this new, unrelated video but I know you can really only monitor comments/questions on recent videos. Soooooo...I hope you can lend me some thoughts!
I think a lot of the bikes you tend to review are a little too much travel for my fairly flat US plains states trail riding. My area has lots of chattery trails from weather/livestock/equestrians but not any "mountains" giving us much in the way of serious drops/rock rolls. We have a few jumps but again nothing too wild. I'm looking for - essentially - a short travel trail bike. Any suggestions for the use case I've outlined? RM Instinct? SB140? SB120? SC 5010 or Tallboy? Druid? Ripley V5? Commencal TEMPO?
No shops in my area have anything available to demo aside from XC race bikes and big ebikes. Any recommendations? Anything I should avoid?
Thanks, Jeff!
Hey there Pilot, I saw your comment the other day, you are correct, I can't keep up with all of them. I haven't ridden Tall boy, Instinct, Druid, Tempo, 5010 or SB120. Only the SB140 and Ripley V5. I would also suggest looking at something smaller, like a Rocky Element or a Pivot Trail 429. A lot of the bikes in your list are running 150 or 160 36 forks, that could be more heft than you really need, and possibly less fun. I absolutely LOVE that Ripley V5, but Im also pretending it's a full sized AM bike- I haven't tried it on super mellow trails. But for the size and feel, I am so gosh dang stoked on how stiff and stout it is. One of my favorite "short" travel bikes ever, and I dont feel sketchy hitting full on black diamond BC trails on it. Between the new Ripmo and new Ripley, I find myself preferring the new Ripley by quite a bit. Maybe it;d be a nice "tweener" between the little 120 bikes and the bigger 140 rigs?
@@JeffKendallWeed Thanks for the reply! My guess was the same as your experienced rationale. I thought a 140mm travel frame might be likely to be fun-stealing and too muted but I have no way of finding that out until it's too late or someone like yourself with a ton more experience can make a suggestion (or until I find a shop that isn't trying to upsell me to a 160mm ebike no matter the trails I'm riding). Thanks for taking the time and the brainpower!
I like riding the hardtail I'm on now - it's super fun and feels like a faster, flowier version of my old street/park bmx bike - but I spend a lot of time chattering along climbs and flat traverses and it's pretty frustrating/annoying to pedal a 20 minute hoof-destroyed trail with a stiff back end!
Thanks again for the info! I'll look at the Ripley V5, SB120, 5010 (current bike's a mullet and it's sick), and Tallboy. They're all in that 120mm to 130mm range.
...and OF COURSE I'll buy from Jenson using your link!
Right after I get an email about livevalve Jeff already has a video out. So do you have to pay 999 for the shock then an additional 399 for the neo kit?
how is the shock setup when you use it? everything wide open?
Catching up ...
I'd say taking the lead.
Sounds like it could be a racing cheat code, it would be interesting if organizers start banning this kind of tech to level the field.
Exciting but i really wish fox and sram couldve established a battery standard. if you have Sram AXS and Fox Livevalve on your bike you need 3 batteries and 2 different chargers where you cant mix and match.
Yea- and Shimano also has their eMTB battery, would be sweet if the fox stuff could plug into that. The wire length from shock to frame battery wouldn't be long.
I guess SRAMs patent on a single battery ecosystem has ran out since this uses the same battery as the dropper, right?
Same battery as the dropper post.
Is there any benefit for a full power, long travel emtb?
For long travel, yes, it preserves the geometry quite a bit. This is something Logan and I noticed on the steep, punchy climb. For a short travel application, the benefit would be reduced. I was also curious about eMTB applications, and had arranged for an eMTB to test this with, but unfortunately, it did not arrive in time.
@@JeffKendallWeed interesting, did you prefer one shock over the other? ( dhx vs float x)
uhhhh, only the shock? what's the point while the fork is left out
Trail bikes have such short stems, the fork is rarely sent bouncing around. The difference on the rear shock is positively noticeable, and trying to lock out a fork is not worth it. GripX2 doesn't even have a firm lever.
Do I need to charge it every week or does it last?
Riding 4-5 times in a week, and I'd need to charge it every 2 weeks or so. And it's no biggie to ride without the system active.
@@JeffKendallWeedthat’s not too bad then, and you ride more than most
Honestly 👍
Thanks man!!!
To me the entire point of a bike is that it's completely mechanical and human powered. Bringing in electronics with a rechargeable battery, ruins the experience. Somehow I exclude carrying my phone or bike lights from this. Even then, those things dampen the go anywhere feel of using a bike that has to return to a charger. Shocks are already pretty good, this seems to solve the endless problem of "What else could I buy?"
Is it just me or does anyone else find it kinda annoying that when new products are launched its like a coordinated marketing attack on every youtuber's channel simultaneously?
100%, youtubers are walking billboards these days
Yes, it's super cheesy. Though it has its place- it's new stuff, and we all agreed to wait until now to post about it. Everyone has the goal of getting the clicks while it's new and interesting and immediately relevant, so I try to do a pretty legit piece of content rather than just post a press release. Notice I tried the system on three different bikes? But it certainly feels kinda forced when it all finally drops at once.
@@JeffKendallWeedThis is a really mature and well considered response.
it is def annoying but it’s just the way it goes with media embargoes and trying to catch the algorithm
This is standard practice because it allows reviewers to use the product without having to see who can rush to be the first to post something about it.
really not that hard to flip a switch as I have been doing for 15yrs....
I guess if you have proper enduro riding it's aight. I do long climbs and then dh.
Yeeeeeuuww!!!!
Gimmick to sell more crap at a high price. Most of the people buying this sh*t are maxed out on their credit cards & late on their payments. If you need this needless thing, why not just go to an arcade & pretend to ride on some VR booth since you aren't really the one making this bike go.
First😂