@@marigoldss That's what we called the golden age of internet boy, where you can build your own website and added some good shit instead of boring futuristic and simplistic website nowadays
It’s beautiful :’). I’m surprised that it adapts to the mobile view. Well, sort of. The text is microscopic, but traditionally non-responsive web pages are far too big.
Ah, it's a good day when you stumble across a website that looks like it was made in the late 90s/ early 2000s in the modern era. I seriously miss the aesthetic of the old internet: the embossed buttons, the low-res 256 color bitmap graphics/gifs, the (usually) cluttered amount of text. So much nostalgia from the mystery and new information you were about to come across any day.
I miss many of the older website designs (at least the clean ones lol), modern sites have gone too mobile friendly which usually means scrolling for hours to find what you want as navigation bars have gone the wayside (i was taught in my webdesign class in the early 2000s that for you to keep people using your site you need to try and keep all the most relevant information on the first page and not to have people need to look past more than 1 or 2 clicks from the main site navigation.
It may look gaudy and cluttered AF.....but it feels like home again. Just seeing that twinkling star background pulled at my heart like seeing a photo of an old friend you havent seen in so long. I didnt have the money for Front Page, but I did code "websites" that I ran locally using Wordpad, and some shareware programs to make Image Maps, and would make my own gifs using the legendary "Gif Construction Set" application.
Despite being born in 2002, I've always been drawn to the nostalgic charm and timeless elegance of classic and retro style websites. There's something undeniably captivating about their simplicity and aesthetic.
Bro said he was born after 9/11. 😅 Never have I felt so old. Now I know how my dad feels. Can’t wait to hear people tell me they were born after 2020 lockdowns 🙃
Ahh, Frontpage. This video was so nostalgic for me, as frontpage was my inspiration to learn more about computers and how to design a web page and learn programming. As a web developer, I'm so grateful for this trip to the past. Greetings from Chile, Michael!
Man this website took me back. When I was 11 for some reason I wanted to make a website that was basically what Wikipedia is. I had an encyclopedia set in my bedroom on my bookshelf and spent a lot of time reading them, and I wanted to make a website that i could "read" the encyclopedia on. So I used frontpage and started making it; I started with the "A" encyclopedia and started typing out every entry. I made it through only probably 25 pages before I gave up haha. But my idea was to make a main page that had each letter, or letter group like encyclopedias were labeled, that you could click on then you could scroll through a page and read each entry, just like an encyclopedia. I am not sure why I didn't just scan the pages and upload them as images, I thought I needed to type out every entry by hand.
i relate so much to everything you said but making the website for it unfortunately, i was both too young to comprehend how websites work ( although by the time i turned 13 i started messing with basic HTML ) and didn't have access to tools like FrontPage But i did decide to document and make my own wikipedia on paper because ive had so many encyclopedia on my bedroom's bookshelf that i'd spend a lot of time reading wish i could have made it into a website now looking back that would have been something i would put so many hours into as a kid and spend my after school evenings doing
You didn't scan and upload the images because even with compressed jpeg it'd take forever to upload on a 56k modem, let alone browse a site relying on images. :P
My first website ever was a GeoCities back in the mid 90's, I was a young teenager at the time. I'm now 40 and have been a professional software engineer for 20 years. It's amazing to see this video because it really takes me back to what got me into software development.
Same here. Except I'm 45 and a Software Engineer. I had a few hours to kill between classes in college so I'd just create web pages that nobody would ever see just to amuse myself.
Never before have I been more motivated to make modernized versions of these kinds of 90s "outsider art"-styled webpages. I miss when the net was so charmingly trashy
Honestly there was something truly charming about these 90s style websites. Yeah sure, they were mostly crappy, but they were also colorful, full of personality and confusing af too but strangely enough you never really minded that. You could just tell at first glance that an actual human being meda that. Today websites on the other hand feel are they've been designed by some sort of AI which goal was to create the blandest, simplest and most efficient website possible. It's basically just black text on a white background(or this in reverse in night mode) with relevant image and thats it.
Thanks for the memories! My marquee was accompanied by a screeching brakes sound, back in the day. My fave part was always "this page had been visited xx times"
I remember playing around with FrontPage 2002 back in the days. It was pretty fun but your site is just hilarious. Please host it so that the other retro computing fans can access it on their old machines with IE5 or whatever browser they use and take a trip down memory lane enjoying that nostalgic feeling.
I remember wanting to install Windows 98 just because of the built-in FrontPage. The main reason is to create "fake programs", basically interactive mock-ups, since you can add buttons, text fields, checkboxes, etc. Sure, these "programs" saved as web pages do nothing but I had a blast making them!
I love how simple it is to use, it looks just like another office product. I’ve tried creating a website years ago and it was too complicated despite the program website advertising simplicity and ease of use “for dummies”
That's all the modern day site builders are about, SaaS - you can pull your hair out building it, it still won't look clean. You'll never own it, either.
Interesting side note: I was a user of the original Vermeer Technology product and was also on their Linux server extensions beta program. It was pretty awesome to use their web editor and publish directly to a Linux based web server. As soon as Microsoft bought out Vermeer, the Linux server product was immediately cancelled.
I love your channel, and I love this topic and application. Microsoft Front Page 98 holds a special place in my heart. I was 9 or 10 years old in about 98-99 when I first sat there in front of my parents computer, looking at all the "Shiny new applications in program files". I stumbled across the "front page". Little did I know I was going to fall in love with what I wish I pursued for the rest of my life, but I didn't. Till this day, I regret not keeping with it. I opened up Front Page, and downloaded Dragon Ball Z images, GIFs and Buttons off the internet and formulated a website dedicated around my favorite TV show at the time, Dragon Ball Z. This ultimately lead to my parents respecting that I was into using it, and they got me the big bulky "Font page guide" or something, it was light blue with clouds is all I recall. I didn't care even remotely about school or my grades, and I was always "Forced" to do my homework. But that book? I'd read it daily non-stop, in school, out of school, at night and I'd translate what I learned to Front Page. I created my "own" Dragon Ball website, but I had no idea how to get it on the Internet. Eventually I figured that out by the end of 1999, which is around the time I started my first band, which I created a website for too. I found Geocities and Angelfire. I notably used Geocities for my website, and Angelfire for my bands so that my "friends" didn't know I liked Dragon Ball Z....I already got made fun of for being "weird", I didn't want to look like that much weider, since I would download Dragon Ball Z Japanese episodes off the Internet and watch them too. Eventually I'd move on toward 1999 and learn HTML; I recall loving Java plugins, especially the 'live button' ones with iFrames across the website. Mine weren't a generic "page" though, no. They were inspired by, what I like to currently call, "a myspace flare" before MySpace. The background was something I'd whip up in Photoshop 7, which was an illegal copy I found on Kazaa (Probably was a malware in hindsight lol), where it was a banner, surrounded by multiple areas that'll be arranged in CEL's with static backgrounds so that the site flowed evenly when scrolling down, but was designed in a way that would remain static regardless of what browser you were using. I recall using iFrames without a scroll bar, and I would use java plugin 'roll over and scroll down-up' often, as it felt incredibly clean. I would add my own unique arrow buttons to display information in the singular 'information' center box. To the left, because I hated right-side panes, I would do a navigation guide, which would give you numerous of things to click on. Ironically, most of which was Dragon Ball Z, but Harry Potter came out around these times so I also did information on Harry Potter, some of my favorite video games like Halo and some Nintendo titles, and yes, other Anime/Manga too (Like Trigun, Cowboy beebop, YuYu Hakusho, especially Lupin The 3rd and Akira). By the middle of 2000, I was on the ball with my HTML skills. The only reason I used Front Page was to "View the work in progress" side by side adding the code. Front Page, when I was at the age of 9-11, helped me during a time where my "social life" as a kid was getting made fun of, being peer pressured by 'older friends' to smoke, do other drugs, drink (Yes, at a young age , my area isn't great lol), and escape the alternative world I dare not share in a public method. It was both my escape from reality, and what created my love for technology today. By 2003, I had to completely hide I enjoyed building websites if I didn't want to get into fist fights in school, I was already kicked out of numerous schools for it before hand, and that was one of the lingering "nerd" topics that would get me into plenty of fights, next to liking anime (Which was, at that time span, considered very weird). I kept it secret for about a year and a half, honed more of my skills...and then eventually I started dropping away from it in favor of music and arts. To this day, I look back at that time frame and I think "If I never pushed myself away from it...would I be further in my career". Because, although HTML and CSS (especially today) are not complicated, what it did bring to the table was server side installations, permissions and security, understanding exploitations within server side, hosting and application development, and especially numerous programming languages outside of base HTML (Like CGI, PHP, SQL) that are common practices across the industry in numerous regions, especially SQL which I use frequently in my current job. Instead, I moved on away from it, to music. For nearly a decade, it wouldn't be until 2014 until I got back into Information Technology interests, and my current career path since then has been within the IT fields. There was a time in High School, even, where my parents "encouraged me" to take a CCNA networking course. I did so great in it when I actually went, I mean, I knew the information already from plenty of off-topic subjects I learned when I was younger due to that pathway into 'building anime websites', but I rarely went to high school due to my 'dream of playing on stage for a big named band'. Instead, I marginally passed the class, got the CCNA but never was able to acquire it because of other reasons. And I look at that, too, as a time in my life where if "I was to repeat it knowing what I know now", I would force myself at least to take that opportunity I was given...instead of being peer pressured and bullied away from it. Anyway, that's my story of Front Page. If it wasn't for this single application, I wouldn't have ever learned most of what I learned at a younger age, and I wouldn't have had that escape that brought me such fond memories of a time so much simpler.
Haha, thanks for the good memories. Back in the early 00s, a friend and I made our own games and music reviews website using MS Frontpage 98, complete with ugly gradient buttons, and a repeated image of an industrial floor as the background image. Good times
Fun fact: Frontpage evolved into Microsoft Expression, which was updated into the HTML5 era, and actually (generally) gets approved by the W3C validator!
in the 90's I was just a baby crawling around but seeing a website like that makes me want to go back in time and experience what internet was like in those days, Idk there's something so magic about it, almost like you were entering a new whole universe of possibilities. Nowadays the internet is simply the standard and you're ALWAYS connected to it that it lost its ''magic''
To be fair, I'm old enough to have used it, but I never did because I never thought to. But I still get nostalgic because I feel like I missed my opportunity
I remember FrontPage98...I actually won a legit copy in a online contest back in the day...still have the disc, might setup a Win98 VM and install it and have some historical fun again!
As a modern small time web designer... this was surprisingly entertaining.... That and my brain was just thinking about the modern CSS this would need to function.
Good news! Modern CSS gives us a W3C compliant version of never closing your tags: calc() and counter() as in "div, p { counter-increment: listcounter; font-size: calc(1em + counter(listcounter)); }" to the rescue 🧡
I first went online in December of 2003, some of my best memories in 2004 chatting over 'dial up' at the "Ninemsn Lounge chatroom in Australia" .. the room was so full of people, over 100 at a time, it scrolled by faster that you could read the script, .. made wonderful friends in AU and NZ. The room was closed a couple of years later when MSN shut down the service .. we all had our own web pages on "Ninemsn Groups" with our own chatrooms, photo albums, and midi music, and visitor counters with guestbooks. I miss those days ... greatly, .. very much.
I had the chance to build a website with FrontPage. It was a motorcycle catalog, something rare in Brazil back then, especially because I included bikes from abroad as well, translating and aggregating stories and information. I would spend nights doing that, since the internet was cheaper and nobody would use the phone late night and early morning. It could have become professional, but I did it totally out of fun. I had no vision. I created GIFs myself and used some javascript codes to apply some effects. It's been over 20 years, but I still have the website saved. This video of yours brought me good memories.
Circa 2008 I was taking a web design class where we did everything in manual html. My friend took a web design class at the same time that used Frontpage. I was so mad at literally everything he was learning. I remember it letting him pick a non standard font (before webfonts were a thing) and it just rendered whole paragraphs out as gif files to make it work.
Yeah. The "quality" of FrontPage websites was always... questionable. But even worse were the ones that somebody had exported from Word. OMG... Back in my "under construction" days, I hand-coded everything in Notepad. Tables everywhere! haha
Excellent nostalgia trip! I’m so glad I grew up with 90’s internet. In the year 2000, when I was in year 10, we had to use FrontPage to create a website for our IT class. They all ended up being hosted on the schools intranet. So… basically it was a big library of pixelated gifs.
I actually made some pretty decent websites with Frontpage for my company in the early 2000's. It was great to create the basic outline of the website and then tinker with the HTML to add more advanced features. I created database search interfaces with it, so simple ! It was annoying when MS discontinued it and we had to pay an external company $$$ to recreate the same pages in Dreamweaver and Java to do the exact same thing.
Why didn't you just keep using it? Even though Microsoft may have discontinued it, it wasn't some cloud-based subscription software. Once you've got it, you've got it.
@@FlyboyHelosim Security more than anything, no security updates mean that Frontpage was vunerable to various SQL injection attacks. So companies wanted those sorts of webpages removed from their intranet. I didn't disagree, my webpages were long past their sell-by dates, but I was annoyed that MS had removed a simple tool that allowed people to publish their own webpages.... Even today, there are no simple drag-n-drop webpage creation tools, that allow basic users to create basic websites...
@@cashawX10 Oh really? I never think about vulnerabilities because as a domestic user these things aren't an issue. I mean you could still use FrontPage on an isolated computer or virtual machine. Actually there are a few WYSIWYG editors, but they tend to be more complex than FP because there's so many standards and different languages now. Check out BlueGriffon for a free one.
@@FlyboyHelosim This was all 10+ years ago. In fact, I think there may have been issues running Frontpage 2000 on Windows in 2015. To be truthful, I had moved on in my job and was quite thankful not to have to maintain my ancient FP webpages 10 years later. 😄 But I still appreciate Frontpage for giving us the ability to create basic HTML webpages from scratch.
@@cashawX10 There's alot of visual builders for Websites out there and most of them are free or at least freemium. Wordpress (&Elementor), WebFlow, Bootstrap Studio, Wix, Jimdoo and many more
I was using Front Page in 2001 on September 11th that morning and as I was posting a screenshot hyperlink of a warplane out of a game called Day of Defeat that flies overhead on my website, the planes flew overhead & into WTC.. I will never forget this day.. I haven't touched that personal page on my brothers webserver since then. I am getting back into ii making a delivery website & yardwork website in Toronto. I like the 90's appeal too.. I might adopt it and use Frontpage instead of the new PHP coders.. Thx 4 uploading, brings back a lot of memories! and now I finally know how to create a marquis/banner in Frontpage, lol... 👍👍
Since Netscape was free to students in the 1990s, I opted for that approach instead when making my site (and kept the 90s look intact since it was both dial-up friendly and and easy to navigate with simple frames.)
Oh, man, that brings back memories. I created my very first web site as a freelancer with FrontPage 98. People used to complain about its extraneous formatting, but if you wanted a quick and dirty way to get something up and running fast, it was down to either this or the more expensive Adobe Dreamweaver, and half of the "extraneous" stuff was simply down to the fact that HTML 4 was not created with the designs we all had in mind. CSS? Nobody was working with CSS back then; it was only two years old, browser compatibility was hit and miss, and CSS 1 didn't do anything that wasn't possible in-line anyway. So we just resorted to cleaning up what Frontpage and Dreamweaver spit out and called it good. Now, of course, everything runs on PHP and either CSS or SCSS, and if one little thing breaks, it all goes to hell in a handbasket. As Scotty said in Star Trek V, "the more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
My first experience with making Web pages was with FrontPage in high school. That was in the late 90s, and the pages we made in class were actually used on the school's live Web site. I recall making a page for one of the teachers and one of the sports the school participated in. Alas, I don't think my school lets their students make the Web site anymore, and those pages I made are long gone, but it was a pretty cool experience. I remember taking the next class in the series and being baffled as to why they suddenly wanted us to learn how to code the sites. FrontPage had spoiled me early on, though I did get really into coding in college.
I absolutely loved this era of computing. This was all new to a lot of people and we were all trying to figure the technology out. I had a Gateway 2000 computer running Windows 98 and Frontpage 98 and I felt like such a pimp.
I love how with all the buttons there 2 says "powered with debian" but then there’s like 4 "powered by macintosh" but then there’s also one "made with gnu/linux" But what really "powers" that site? Mac? Debian? Windows? Guess I’ll never know!
looking back, frontpage was actually a great piece of software. i spent my time loading downloaded websites into frontpage express, changing things and going to the source tab to see what changed and learned html that way. fond memories.
I am writing my own websites from scratch with every character being hand-typed. I love the slight retro style and purposely aim for that 2005ish style 💪
I prefer the web designs of the late '90s. I personally think they look better, more creative, and is not a bloated mess. I'm sure we can all do without things like javascript.
They were absolutely bloated messes, WYSIWYG editors produce terribly bloated and awful code. JS has problematic foundations as a language but you really can't do anything close to resembling the modern internet without it.
@@Konarcoffee they may have been bloated but at least they had some fucking personality. the internet today is so astoundingly minimal and clean, it's CORPORATE.
I think my comment will be buried given how many there are already, but I found your channel recently and it makes me so happy. I got into web and graphic design when I was 12 and my mom got sick. It felt like a beautiful outlet for creativity and curiosity because this was in 2000-2001, where all of this was new territory to the majority of the public. There was a fairly large community of girls who used Jasc Paint Shop Pro instead of Photoshop because it was cheaper, and I was so excited when I got it as a gift so I could post my designs on my website. This video reminded me of all of that, and I'm so glad I found your channel!
I remember, many websites had a "welcome" page that you needed to click "Enter" before being able to access the content. Generally with a Flash intro 😂
I loved programming, making midis, 3d modeling, drawing, and editing photographs as ways to learn something new using the computer, but for some reason I never bothered making webpages. If I had frontpage I probably wouldn't have been so intimidated.
You gotta host this somewhere! For a brief period of time a few years ago my own website was hosted in a Windows 98 VM on my server using FrontPage... until Windows 98 corrupted itself lol
Omg I loved those footer browser advert icon button thing back then. When I made my page I made sure to collect lots of those button images to put at the footer
Thanks! I actually needed this! I am working on my website on NeoCities, and I want to use all the juicy old 90s software only to create it! This helps a lot! :)
This took me back to being a late teenager in the late 90's/early 00's and "coding" a website using the Mac version of FrontPage. All because HTML was hard when you were 19 and making a GeoCities/Tripod site for your AIM RP character. Not gonna lie, I miss the early Wild West feeling of that time.. It would have been amazing to see some hot hot frames on the 90's nostalgia site, because frames were the absolute BEST way to navigate an old website. Thanks for the nostalgia trip!
you could do some decent looking pages using frame sets by using scrolling=no and frameborder=0. With frames you could have a single navigation page that changed the other frames content. People seemed to hate them though.
I used frontpage 2003 to make a webpage back when I was selling PCs in the mid 2000s. Sure it wasn't the best, but I loved the fact you could create a site, then look at the html so you could learn how to actually program a page.
Once i began learning HTML, i also started to despise webpages that were made with MS Frontpage. 's and everywhere! Also, at 17:02, IE didn't get support for transparency in PNG's until IE7.
I always preferred FrontPage to DreamWeaver back in the day, but by the time I did my GCSEs I’d sacked it off for Notepad as the WYSIWYG trying to do what it thought I wanted instead of what I told it was infuriating!
I had to use DreamWeaver in a web design class I took back in 2015! It was so infuriating to work with. I could have coded those crappy pages it produced by myself in the same amount of time.
@@straightupanarg6226 At university I was using OSX for the first time and refused to used whatever GUI tools they had (can’t recall what they were) but ended up using Vi to code on the webserver directly! 😂
Back then at 8 years old I painstakingly taught myself basic HTML to make some of the greatest looking DBZ/Pokémon websites on the web. I miss the old internet, AIM/AOL, chat rooms, web rings, waiting hours on a dialup connection to download your fav songs on the OG Napster, I could go on and on
This is the absolute craziest coincidence ever. I saw your channel yesterday, I didnt go on it or watch any of your videos, I just saw your name. Just after I felt like looking into Microsoft Frontpage, as that was the first tool I used for webdevelopment. And now 2 hours ago you post this video. Crazy eh.
For all the meme value in the web design here, it did remind me how exciting and new the internets felt to me back then. It has become almost a mundane utility these days but back in the early days it really was so exciting to actually communicate with people in other countries etc.
i made a website for a company on an intern job in the 90s. you know one of those flashy gifs, 3d buttons, stylish fonts, etc. the boss liked it very much. everything considered disaster now, looked so chic at the time when there was no room for low-key. lol
I prefered front-page over Dreamweaver you can still get it free web elements. It's still as useful. Also running a random link selector so you could have a tiny bandwidth page to redirect to other Geocities accounts you had and mixed in with bravenet tools. Shorturl and swish. You had a great website back then. Xara tools for buttons and stuff. The memories and the work arounds. It serves me well as I learnt to code in that era and went on to have my own teams of coders.
I wish they put clipit in it, he should have been there but Microsoft didn't add him Would be fun for him to be in the vid lecturing him on how to design the site.
Ask and you shall receive. michaelmjd.neocities.org/
PHOTOSENSITIVE WARNING: There are some flashing images, especially on the fake NFT page.
Well that site was weird.
@@marigoldss That's what we called the golden age of internet boy, where you can build your own website and added some good shit instead of boring futuristic and simplistic website nowadays
Yes!
Dude, I was JUST about to comment this! Thank you!!
It’s beautiful :’). I’m surprised that it adapts to the mobile view. Well, sort of. The text is microscopic, but traditionally non-responsive web pages are far too big.
Ah, it's a good day when you stumble across a website that looks like it was made in the late 90s/ early 2000s in the modern era. I seriously miss the aesthetic of the old internet: the embossed buttons, the low-res 256 color bitmap graphics/gifs, the (usually) cluttered amount of text. So much nostalgia from the mystery and new information you were about to come across any day.
And even with all the crap gifs and other stuff it still run better than any modern "minimalist" website .
then you'd love neocities! it's a spiritual successor to geocities and most pages are made in that nostalgic style :)
My websites end up looking like that.
Same here i miss that
I miss many of the older website designs (at least the clean ones lol), modern sites have gone too mobile friendly which usually means scrolling for hours to find what you want as navigation bars have gone the wayside (i was taught in my webdesign class in the early 2000s that for you to keep people using your site you need to try and keep all the most relevant information on the first page and not to have people need to look past more than 1 or 2 clicks from the main site navigation.
Only thing missing is an embedded MIDI file that automatically starts playing whenever you load the page.
watching now and was waiting for the background .mid file! Noooo, missed opportunity!
Embedded MIDIs on Neopets were how I heard Green Day for the first time! Ahh, the memories.
God yes, and sprites that chase the mouse as you move it about, but slow it down to like 5fps
Oh I remember that... oh HELL NO!
Don't forget the sudden change in mouse cursor too
It may look gaudy and cluttered AF.....but it feels like home again. Just seeing that twinkling star background pulled at my heart like seeing a photo of an old friend you havent seen in so long.
I didnt have the money for Front Page, but I did code "websites" that I ran locally using Wordpad, and some shareware programs to make Image Maps, and would make my own gifs using the legendary "Gif Construction Set" application.
I love how this was simultaneously made with Debian, MacOS 8, Amiga and Darwin.
The anachronistic Discord ad is great too.
Despite being born in 2002, I've always been drawn to the nostalgic charm and timeless elegance of classic and retro style websites. There's something undeniably captivating about their simplicity and aesthetic.
Bro said he was born after 9/11. 😅 Never have I felt so old. Now I know how my dad feels. Can’t wait to hear people tell me they were born after 2020 lockdowns 🙃
Now that's something excellent that can be done solely for nostalgic purposes! Great job!
Ahh, Frontpage. This video was so nostalgic for me, as frontpage was my inspiration to learn more about computers and how to design a web page and learn programming. As a web developer, I'm so grateful for this trip to the past.
Greetings from Chile, Michael!
Dittoo, I was in school then.
Now I do Rails with React on Kubernetes . . . . . Long Way.
Me too! I remember being so excited that there were tools like this to make websites. Now I do it for a living.
Yep, this was great! Except he didn't use any "flashing text" HTML markups. :(
Web development? I thought we're talking about real programming here. Does your employer have too much money?
I recently used FrontPage for a school project and got an A.
Ok
The power of classic software.
Congrats!
wow
How?
Man this website took me back. When I was 11 for some reason I wanted to make a website that was basically what Wikipedia is. I had an encyclopedia set in my bedroom on my bookshelf and spent a lot of time reading them, and I wanted to make a website that i could "read" the encyclopedia on. So I used frontpage and started making it; I started with the "A" encyclopedia and started typing out every entry. I made it through only probably 25 pages before I gave up haha. But my idea was to make a main page that had each letter, or letter group like encyclopedias were labeled, that you could click on then you could scroll through a page and read each entry, just like an encyclopedia. I am not sure why I didn't just scan the pages and upload them as images, I thought I needed to type out every entry by hand.
i relate so much to everything you said but making the website for it unfortunately, i was both too young to comprehend how websites work ( although by the time i turned 13 i started messing with basic HTML ) and didn't have access to tools like FrontPage
But i did decide to document and make my own wikipedia on paper because ive had so many encyclopedia on my bedroom's bookshelf that i'd spend a lot of time reading
wish i could have made it into a website now looking back
that would have been something i would put so many hours into as a kid and spend my after school evenings doing
You didn't scan and upload the images because even with compressed jpeg it'd take forever to upload on a 56k modem, let alone browse a site relying on images. :P
OCR also exists soo yea
"C: Big blue wobbly thing that mermaids live in."
@@anonUK Cat... NOT a dog
My first website ever was a GeoCities back in the mid 90's, I was a young teenager at the time. I'm now 40 and have been a professional software engineer for 20 years. It's amazing to see this video because it really takes me back to what got me into software development.
Same here. Except I'm 45 and a Software Engineer. I had a few hours to kill between classes in college so I'd just create web pages that nobody would ever see just to amuse myself.
@Luke5100 haha that's awesome, I never wrote IRC scripts but I did write some rudimentary bots for BBS's. Those were the days!
Never before have I been more motivated to make modernized versions of these kinds of 90s "outsider art"-styled webpages. I miss when the net was so charmingly trashy
Honestly there was something truly charming about these 90s style websites. Yeah sure, they were mostly crappy, but they were also colorful, full of personality and confusing af too but strangely enough you never really minded that. You could just tell at first glance that an actual human being meda that. Today websites on the other hand feel are they've been designed by some sort of AI which goal was to create the blandest, simplest and most efficient website possible. It's basically just black text on a white background(or this in reverse in night mode) with relevant image and thats it.
No, they are bad and always will be
@@ilikeminecraft1232 just like you
Miss early 2000 internet!!!
@@folddyy No
Today's websites are so professional and boring that the sayings on a gravestone are more interesting
Thanks for the memories! My marquee was accompanied by a screeching brakes sound, back in the day. My fave part was always "this page had been visited xx times"
I remember playing around with FrontPage 2002 back in the days. It was pretty fun but your site is just hilarious. Please host it so that the other retro computing fans can access it on their old machines with IE5 or whatever browser they use and take a trip down memory lane enjoying that nostalgic feeling.
I remember wanting to install Windows 98 just because of the built-in FrontPage. The main reason is to create "fake programs", basically interactive mock-ups, since you can add buttons, text fields, checkboxes, etc. Sure, these "programs" saved as web pages do nothing but I had a blast making them!
Brooooooo I always do that with html stuff I try to make programs that really don’t do anything
As a kid I spent hours designing UIs in my pirated copy of VB6.
I just never actually learned to code anything.
@@handles_are_dumb_01is piracy illegal?
I love how simple it is to use, it looks just like another office product. I’ve tried creating a website years ago and it was too complicated despite the program website advertising simplicity and ease of use “for dummies”
That's all the modern day site builders are about, SaaS - you can pull your hair out building it, it still won't look clean. You'll never own it, either.
I use dreamweaver cs3 because it works fine
Just don't look at the generated HTML; it will make your head hurt.
Man, this takes me back. Had so much fun making Geocities websites with front page back in the late 90s. I miss that time in my life.
Ah, Geocities...
@@parexal all the websites from there are dead now. Companies don't care about our legacy :
@@Seacat17 in a way it's a good thing as I created some dumbass websites 😂
@@parexalBut we want to seem them! The cringe is part of the experience! It's part of the charm!
Also NeoCities is a thing.
that's actually a pretty good way to make a retro website
Not retro at the time
tell me something that's retro for it's time
Interesting side note: I was a user of the original Vermeer Technology product and was also on their Linux server extensions beta program. It was pretty awesome to use their web editor and publish directly to a Linux based web server. As soon as Microsoft bought out Vermeer, the Linux server product was immediately cancelled.
I remember the _vti directories
Steve Ballmer vibes kick in…
@@jcas “Developers, developers, developers” 😀
Back when everyone could create a web site from scratch. I miss the 90s so much
They still can.
I love your channel, and I love this topic and application. Microsoft Front Page 98 holds a special place in my heart.
I was 9 or 10 years old in about 98-99 when I first sat there in front of my parents computer, looking at all the "Shiny new applications in program files". I stumbled across the "front page". Little did I know I was going to fall in love with what I wish I pursued for the rest of my life, but I didn't. Till this day, I regret not keeping with it.
I opened up Front Page, and downloaded Dragon Ball Z images, GIFs and Buttons off the internet and formulated a website dedicated around my favorite TV show at the time, Dragon Ball Z. This ultimately lead to my parents respecting that I was into using it, and they got me the big bulky "Font page guide" or something, it was light blue with clouds is all I recall.
I didn't care even remotely about school or my grades, and I was always "Forced" to do my homework. But that book? I'd read it daily non-stop, in school, out of school, at night and I'd translate what I learned to Front Page. I created my "own" Dragon Ball website, but I had no idea how to get it on the Internet. Eventually I figured that out by the end of 1999, which is around the time I started my first band, which I created a website for too. I found Geocities and Angelfire. I notably used Geocities for my website, and Angelfire for my bands so that my "friends" didn't know I liked Dragon Ball Z....I already got made fun of for being "weird", I didn't want to look like that much weider, since I would download Dragon Ball Z Japanese episodes off the Internet and watch them too.
Eventually I'd move on toward 1999 and learn HTML; I recall loving Java plugins, especially the 'live button' ones with iFrames across the website. Mine weren't a generic "page" though, no. They were inspired by, what I like to currently call, "a myspace flare" before MySpace. The background was something I'd whip up in Photoshop 7, which was an illegal copy I found on Kazaa (Probably was a malware in hindsight lol), where it was a banner, surrounded by multiple areas that'll be arranged in CEL's with static backgrounds so that the site flowed evenly when scrolling down, but was designed in a way that would remain static regardless of what browser you were using. I recall using iFrames without a scroll bar, and I would use java plugin 'roll over and scroll down-up' often, as it felt incredibly clean. I would add my own unique arrow buttons to display information in the singular 'information' center box. To the left, because I hated right-side panes, I would do a navigation guide, which would give you numerous of things to click on. Ironically, most of which was Dragon Ball Z, but Harry Potter came out around these times so I also did information on Harry Potter, some of my favorite video games like Halo and some Nintendo titles, and yes, other Anime/Manga too (Like Trigun, Cowboy beebop, YuYu Hakusho, especially Lupin The 3rd and Akira). By the middle of 2000, I was on the ball with my HTML skills. The only reason I used Front Page was to "View the work in progress" side by side adding the code.
Front Page, when I was at the age of 9-11, helped me during a time where my "social life" as a kid was getting made fun of, being peer pressured by 'older friends' to smoke, do other drugs, drink (Yes, at a young age , my area isn't great lol), and escape the alternative world I dare not share in a public method. It was both my escape from reality, and what created my love for technology today. By 2003, I had to completely hide I enjoyed building websites if I didn't want to get into fist fights in school, I was already kicked out of numerous schools for it before hand, and that was one of the lingering "nerd" topics that would get me into plenty of fights, next to liking anime (Which was, at that time span, considered very weird). I kept it secret for about a year and a half, honed more of my skills...and then eventually I started dropping away from it in favor of music and arts.
To this day, I look back at that time frame and I think "If I never pushed myself away from it...would I be further in my career". Because, although HTML and CSS (especially today) are not complicated, what it did bring to the table was server side installations, permissions and security, understanding exploitations within server side, hosting and application development, and especially numerous programming languages outside of base HTML (Like CGI, PHP, SQL) that are common practices across the industry in numerous regions, especially SQL which I use frequently in my current job. Instead, I moved on away from it, to music. For nearly a decade, it wouldn't be until 2014 until I got back into Information Technology interests, and my current career path since then has been within the IT fields. There was a time in High School, even, where my parents "encouraged me" to take a CCNA networking course. I did so great in it when I actually went, I mean, I knew the information already from plenty of off-topic subjects I learned when I was younger due to that pathway into 'building anime websites', but I rarely went to high school due to my 'dream of playing on stage for a big named band'. Instead, I marginally passed the class, got the CCNA but never was able to acquire it because of other reasons. And I look at that, too, as a time in my life where if "I was to repeat it knowing what I know now", I would force myself at least to take that opportunity I was given...instead of being peer pressured and bullied away from it.
Anyway, that's my story of Front Page. If it wasn't for this single application, I wouldn't have ever learned most of what I learned at a younger age, and I wouldn't have had that escape that brought me such fond memories of a time so much simpler.
Haha, thanks for the good memories. Back in the early 00s, a friend and I made our own games and music reviews website using MS Frontpage 98, complete with ugly gradient buttons, and a repeated image of an industrial floor as the background image. Good times
Is that website still up?
@@kantraa Unfortunately not. The webhost stopped working 10-ish years ago and I never took a backup of it!
@@zhalt123 what about waybackmachine?
@@torspomedia5861 Looked there, and unfortunately, it wasn't archived
Fun fact: Frontpage evolved into Microsoft Expression, which was updated into the HTML5 era, and actually (generally) gets approved by the W3C validator!
I'm watching this thinking it would be a great idea to have this throwback for my resume/blog as an IT person. Nostalgia
Love that you used footage from "The Kids' Guide to the Internet" at the beginning.
in the 90's I was just a baby crawling around but seeing a website like that makes me want to go back in time and experience what internet was like in those days, Idk there's something so magic about it, almost like you were entering a new whole universe of possibilities. Nowadays the internet is simply the standard and you're ALWAYS connected to it that it lost its ''magic''
Remember when Homer made his own website in The Simpsons? MJD just made it real. Good work. 😁👍
Ooh! A dancing Jesus!!
i wasn't even born when stuff like this existed, but i still feel nostalgia over it
Same
To be fair, I'm old enough to have used it, but I never did because I never thought to. But I still get nostalgic because I feel like I missed my opportunity
It looks pretty and I like animated buttons.
I remember FrontPage98...I actually won a legit copy in a online contest back in the day...still have the disc, might setup a Win98 VM and install it and have some historical fun again!
Oh man this takes me back I had office 2000 and used Front Page on my awful geocities page.
As a modern small time web designer... this was surprisingly entertaining....
That and my brain was just thinking about the modern CSS this would need to function.
@judgedoom
Agreed.
15:50
Frontpage: You use font-size. I use . We are not the same.
Good news! Modern CSS gives us a W3C compliant version of never closing your tags: calc() and counter() as in "div, p { counter-increment: listcounter; font-size: calc(1em + counter(listcounter)); }" to the rescue 🧡
Right... it would take a short minute to make this in bootstrap lol
we need tiled emboss buttons lol.
Something essential was missing, the disclaimer: "This site is built to be viewed at 800x600"
and maybe a blogring
"Best viewed in Internet Explorer 6"
"Your browser does not support frames, please upgrade your browser"
I used to do that lol
@@gunarcom dear god no….web rings and bravenet forums were one of the worst pieces of shit back in the day.
I first went online in December of 2003, some of my best memories in 2004 chatting over 'dial up' at the "Ninemsn Lounge chatroom in Australia" .. the room was so full of people, over 100 at a time, it scrolled by faster that you could read the script, .. made wonderful friends in AU and NZ. The room was closed a couple of years later when MSN shut down the service .. we all had our own web pages on "Ninemsn Groups" with our own chatrooms, photo albums, and midi music, and visitor counters with guestbooks. I miss those days ... greatly, .. very much.
Fun fact: Microsoft Publisher until 2010 actually had the functionality to let you make websites although it’s from a template
That would definitely be an improvement over the majority of websites generated from Microsoft products that are made in Microsoft Word.
I remember this! The nostalgic buttons and scroll-bars brings me back!
To be honest, almost no webpage should be any more complex than this.
Yes Sure If You’ll Be Approved?
Yeah, we need a text only part of the web too
I had the chance to build a website with FrontPage. It was a motorcycle catalog, something rare in Brazil back then, especially because I included bikes from abroad as well, translating and aggregating stories and information. I would spend nights doing that, since the internet was cheaper and nobody would use the phone late night and early morning. It could have become professional, but I did it totally out of fun. I had no vision. I created GIFs myself and used some javascript codes to apply some effects. It's been over 20 years, but I still have the website saved. This video of yours brought me good memories.
Circa 2008 I was taking a web design class where we did everything in manual html. My friend took a web design class at the same time that used Frontpage. I was so mad at literally everything he was learning. I remember it letting him pick a non standard font (before webfonts were a thing) and it just rendered whole paragraphs out as gif files to make it work.
Yeah. The "quality" of FrontPage websites was always... questionable. But even worse were the ones that somebody had exported from Word. OMG...
Back in my "under construction" days, I hand-coded everything in Notepad. Tables everywhere! haha
Excellent nostalgia trip! I’m so glad I grew up with 90’s internet. In the year 2000, when I was in year 10, we had to use FrontPage to create a website for our IT class. They all ended up being hosted on the schools intranet. So… basically it was a big library of pixelated gifs.
I actually made some pretty decent websites with Frontpage for my company in the early 2000's. It was great to create the basic outline of the website and then tinker with the HTML to add more advanced features. I created database search interfaces with it, so simple ! It was annoying when MS discontinued it and we had to pay an external company $$$ to recreate the same pages in Dreamweaver and Java to do the exact same thing.
Why didn't you just keep using it? Even though Microsoft may have discontinued it, it wasn't some cloud-based subscription software. Once you've got it, you've got it.
@@FlyboyHelosim Security more than anything, no security updates mean that Frontpage was vunerable to various SQL injection attacks. So companies wanted those sorts of webpages removed from their intranet. I didn't disagree, my webpages were long past their sell-by dates, but I was annoyed that MS had removed a simple tool that allowed people to publish their own webpages.... Even today, there are no simple drag-n-drop webpage creation tools, that allow basic users to create basic websites...
@@cashawX10 Oh really? I never think about vulnerabilities because as a domestic user these things aren't an issue. I mean you could still use FrontPage on an isolated computer or virtual machine. Actually there are a few WYSIWYG editors, but they tend to be more complex than FP because there's so many standards and different languages now. Check out BlueGriffon for a free one.
@@FlyboyHelosim This was all 10+ years ago. In fact, I think there may have been issues running Frontpage 2000 on Windows in 2015. To be truthful, I had moved on in my job and was quite thankful not to have to maintain my ancient FP webpages 10 years later. 😄 But I still appreciate Frontpage for giving us the ability to create basic HTML webpages from scratch.
@@cashawX10 There's alot of visual builders for Websites out there and most of them are free or at least freemium. Wordpress (&Elementor), WebFlow, Bootstrap Studio, Wix, Jimdoo and many more
I was using Front Page in 2001 on September 11th that morning and as I was posting a screenshot hyperlink of a warplane out of a game called Day of Defeat that flies overhead on my website, the planes flew overhead & into WTC.. I will never forget this day.. I haven't touched that personal page on my brothers webserver since then.
I am getting back into ii making a delivery website & yardwork website in Toronto. I like the 90's appeal too.. I might adopt it and use Frontpage instead of the new PHP coders..
Thx 4 uploading, brings back a lot of memories! and now I finally know how to create a marquis/banner in Frontpage, lol... 👍👍
Since Netscape was free to students in the 1990s, I opted for that approach instead when making my site (and kept the 90s look intact since it was both dial-up friendly and and easy to navigate with simple frames.)
I use to use front page to recreate school websites to show school was closed for a particular day, even if it wasn’t. It worked EVERYTIME
Plot twist... 25 years later websites are bloated with autoloading video ads so thick you can hardly see the content.
So is that kind of the same thing?
Lol! Bring back memoriessss. Marquee is the only thing you need for you website back on that day! hahahaha.
Oh, man, that brings back memories. I created my very first web site as a freelancer with FrontPage 98. People used to complain about its extraneous formatting, but if you wanted a quick and dirty way to get something up and running fast, it was down to either this or the more expensive Adobe Dreamweaver, and half of the "extraneous" stuff was simply down to the fact that HTML 4 was not created with the designs we all had in mind. CSS? Nobody was working with CSS back then; it was only two years old, browser compatibility was hit and miss, and CSS 1 didn't do anything that wasn't possible in-line anyway. So we just resorted to cleaning up what Frontpage and Dreamweaver spit out and called it good.
Now, of course, everything runs on PHP and either CSS or SCSS, and if one little thing breaks, it all goes to hell in a handbasket. As Scotty said in Star Trek V, "the more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
Early 90s internet was an awesome thing! So much nostalgia ;)
This was great. You have to remember. These pages loaded on a phone modem, and most computers were running 512mb of ram or less, on average.
I've never seen 512MB of RAM in 90's it was more like 128MB at most.
I like when you're channeling Bob Ross when building your 90s style website.
This takes me back. I did similar things back in 1999.
My first experience with making Web pages was with FrontPage in high school. That was in the late 90s, and the pages we made in class were actually used on the school's live Web site. I recall making a page for one of the teachers and one of the sports the school participated in. Alas, I don't think my school lets their students make the Web site anymore, and those pages I made are long gone, but it was a pretty cool experience. I remember taking the next class in the series and being baffled as to why they suddenly wanted us to learn how to code the sites. FrontPage had spoiled me early on, though I did get really into coding in college.
Setup hosting for the site! That is beautiful
I absolutely loved this era of computing. This was all new to a lot of people and we were all trying to figure the technology out. I had a Gateway 2000 computer running Windows 98 and Frontpage 98 and I felt like such a pimp.
I love how with all the buttons there 2 says "powered with debian" but then there’s like 4 "powered by macintosh" but then there’s also one "made with gnu/linux"
But what really "powers" that site? Mac? Debian? Windows? Guess I’ll never know!
Neocities :)
@@Seacat17 which uses Debian Linux
@@DanTDMJace yay ^^
Happy memories! 90's OS, discovering the Web, software that came in exciting looking boxes with big, mysterious paper manuals inside! 🙂
Early Internet Web and graphic design was such a vibe
an ad for a yt channel before yt even existed thats next level
Ahh Windows 98. It’s a great day to be back in the 90’s. Making sites were quite the possible to make it great.
So crazy that's two decades ago...for people who lived in 2002, to think about 1978 is like ancient times
I got into web design between 1999 and 2003 and It was always so satisfying making rollover graphics that interacted with your mouse.
Transparent PNGs was supported in IE7 and later, and for blizzare reason, in every IE for Mac.
looking back, frontpage was actually a great piece of software.
i spent my time loading downloaded websites into frontpage express, changing things and going to the source tab to see what changed and learned html that way.
fond memories.
I am writing my own websites from scratch with every character being hand-typed. I love the slight retro style and purposely aim for that 2005ish style 💪
As an UX designer being daily job in this 2022, watching this video really brought me joy. So much fun!
This dude not even that he made a 90's web page, he made the best 90's web page and an NFT in just one video.
You wrote '90s correctly instead of 90's like so many others do. That alone deserves a sub
I prefer the web designs of the late '90s. I personally think they look better, more creative, and is not a bloated mess. I'm sure we can all do without things like javascript.
javascript is a mess
I feal like that's just nostalgia ngl
They were absolutely bloated messes, WYSIWYG editors produce terribly bloated and awful code. JS has problematic foundations as a language but you really can't do anything close to resembling the modern internet without it.
@@Konarcoffee they may have been bloated but at least they had some fucking personality. the internet today is so astoundingly minimal and clean, it's CORPORATE.
@@Konarcoffee modern internet is sh t
I think my comment will be buried given how many there are already, but I found your channel recently and it makes me so happy. I got into web and graphic design when I was 12 and my mom got sick. It felt like a beautiful outlet for creativity and curiosity because this was in 2000-2001, where all of this was new territory to the majority of the public. There was a fairly large community of girls who used Jasc Paint Shop Pro instead of Photoshop because it was cheaper, and I was so excited when I got it as a gift so I could post my designs on my website.
This video reminded me of all of that, and I'm so glad I found your channel!
I remember when my cousin and I would spend hours on our Windows 98 PC in the early 2000’s. Great memories!
I remember, many websites had a "welcome" page that you needed to click "Enter" before being able to access the content. Generally with a Flash intro 😂
I loved programming, making midis, 3d modeling, drawing, and editing photographs as ways to learn something new using the computer, but for some reason I never bothered making webpages. If I had frontpage I probably wouldn't have been so intimidated.
The into pretty much sums up my first experiences on the Internet in the mid-nineties 🤩
You gotta host this somewhere! For a brief period of time a few years ago my own website was hosted in a Windows 98 VM on my server using FrontPage... until Windows 98 corrupted itself lol
Omg I loved those footer browser advert icon button thing back then.
When I made my page I made sure to collect lots of those button images to put at the footer
Thanks! I actually needed this! I am working on my website on NeoCities, and I want to use all the juicy old 90s software only to create it! This helps a lot! :)
This takes me back to my two terrible pages in the late 90s. Amazing.
This took me back to being a late teenager in the late 90's/early 00's and "coding" a website using the Mac version of FrontPage. All because HTML was hard when you were 19 and making a GeoCities/Tripod site for your AIM RP character. Not gonna lie, I miss the early Wild West feeling of that time.. It would have been amazing to see some hot hot frames on the 90's nostalgia site, because frames were the absolute BEST way to navigate an old website. Thanks for the nostalgia trip!
you could do some decent looking pages using frame sets by using scrolling=no and frameborder=0. With frames you could have a single navigation page that changed the other frames content. People seemed to hate them though.
Watching these retro vids always makes me feel like a kid again.
I used FrontPage back in the 90s. Still have the demo for 2003 that I could legally activate with a OneNote 2003 code.
Oh my God, the nostalgia I get watching this. I need to get myself Pentium 200MMX machine and experience my first steps in the HTML business.
i love that you said GIF both as jif and gif it made me laugh
I used frontpage 2003 to make a webpage back when I was selling PCs in the mid 2000s. Sure it wasn't the best, but I loved the fact you could create a site, then look at the html so you could learn how to actually program a page.
Once i began learning HTML, i also started to despise webpages that were made with MS Frontpage.
's and everywhere!
Also, at 17:02, IE didn't get support for transparency in PNG's until IE7.
I love this video. The gateway PC. Windows 98. Some serious nostalgia for me, I’m in my early 20’s again.
I always preferred FrontPage to DreamWeaver back in the day, but by the time I did my GCSEs I’d sacked it off for Notepad as the WYSIWYG trying to do what it thought I wanted instead of what I told it was infuriating!
I used Netobjects
Notepad (or TextEdit) is the only way to make websites.
I had to use DreamWeaver in a web design class I took back in 2015! It was so infuriating to work with. I could have coded those crappy pages it produced by myself in the same amount of time.
@@straightupanarg6226 At university I was using OSX for the first time and refused to used whatever GUI tools they had (can’t recall what they were) but ended up using Vi to code on the webserver directly! 😂
Back then at 8 years old I painstakingly taught myself basic HTML to make some of the greatest looking DBZ/Pokémon websites on the web. I miss the old internet, AIM/AOL, chat rooms, web rings, waiting hours on a dialup connection to download your fav songs on the OG Napster, I could go on and on
petition for mjd to host this online
Everything in this video gives me life 💀😂
Just like I remember
1995 - 2000ish websites were the best. I'll always love them.
im getting one of those sweetest 90's vibes with my old Playstation, Too bad you didn't publish the website !
This website should be published. I did the same back then, in 2004. God i missed that time. Thanks for the video.
This is the absolute craziest coincidence ever.
I saw your channel yesterday, I didnt go on it or watch any of your videos, I just saw your name.
Just after I felt like looking into Microsoft Frontpage, as that was the first tool I used for webdevelopment.
And now 2 hours ago you post this video.
Crazy eh.
For all the meme value in the web design here, it did remind me how exciting and new the internets felt to me back then. It has become almost a mundane utility these days but back in the early days it really was so exciting to actually communicate with people in other countries etc.
Who else wants him to actually host this online?
i made a website for a company on an intern job in the 90s. you know one of those flashy gifs, 3d buttons, stylish fonts, etc. the boss liked it very much. everything considered disaster now, looked so chic at the time when there was no room for low-key. lol
I prefered front-page over Dreamweaver you can still get it free web elements. It's still as useful. Also running a random link selector so you could have a tiny bandwidth page to redirect to other Geocities accounts you had and mixed in with bravenet tools. Shorturl and swish. You had a great website back then. Xara tools for buttons and stuff. The memories and the work arounds. It serves me well as I learnt to code in that era and went on to have my own teams of coders.
I'm from that era (and clearly, so are you) and this awoken all kinds of nostalgia for me 😅😅
Definitely going to out and mess with this one in sometime. Definitely need to gather up some Geocity GIFs
I remember being 6 years Old and making Geocities pages with this! Great throwback
Microsoft Frontpage actually used to be a cool thing to mess around with in its day for sure.
I wish they put clipit in it, he should have been there but Microsoft didn't add him
Would be fun for him to be in the vid lecturing him on how to design the site.