The Anime Fanbase is Actually the LEAST Toxic
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To be fair, the Twitter and Reddit section of ANY fandom are toxic as fuck. Like, jogging naked through Chernobyl level toxicity.
The Reddit communities are alright if you just look at the smaller subs dedicated to specific series. Some of the better ones will allow more off topic stuff like recommendations and stuff.
My bar is usually when a sub has more than 50k people and an active user base above 1k. That's when it goes to shit usually. Not that there isn't any toxicity but I think it's at tolerable levels.
True, but as Charlie said in video, there're still a different between toxicity and just down right harassment.
I think if people just only being toxic then its still ok, cuz in the end, no one really got hurt.
discord too
Fans on Twitter are the worst
@@ngoclamtruong5033 and I feel a lot of circlejerk groups like being a little toxic (we do a little trolling), but keeping it civil and without being personal
He's not that wrong. The movie community can be really toxic. I barely remember a movie discussion where people weren't jumping at each other for opinions. And Joey's right about the "more mainstream = more toxic" take. The bigger a fanbase, the more shitty people it attracts.
EDIT: Didn't know this comment blew up this much, so I wanna add some more points to this:
I am aware that something being bigger doesn't equal more toxic people being attracted to said thing. What I meant with that point is that when something is more popular and bigger, more and more groups of people are attracted to that thing, meaning that it is easier to stumble upon toxic people. If you're a filmbro, please, don't take this as an attack. I love having great discussions about movies (and everything else for that matter), but sadly a lot of the discussions I've been a part of/witnessed have been just people being toxic.
CSM fandom has been getting worse and worse because of the popularity
I don't think the size of the fanbase is the singular reason for toxicity. Movie fans these days have it rough, with Hollywood consistently putting out shitters for the last 7 years or so. I feel like that if anime fans constantly had to deal with Berserk 2016 level adaptations of their favorite IPs, while being told that not liking them makes you [insert negative adjective], then they'd probably also get pretty toxic when someone praises an adaptation they hate with a passion.
As a member of the mecha fandom, I agree with this statement. We just wanna be recognized more!
I also think it's because movie fans tend to be analytical (they usually like analyzing the movies they enjoy), so when someone criticizes a movie they like, they feel like it's a criticism about them personally. So they get really personal, nasty, and they try to analyze everything about you, to say why your opinion is wrong. Most gamers and anime fans are analytical, but not to the point that movie buffs are
@@Master_3530 true, ever since the anime adap, the fanbase has gotten way worse
Don't let Twitter fool ya, anime fans in general are chill.
Taking advice or anything like that from Twitter is your first mistake
Social media in general, but if you go to a convention you'll meet the sickest people on earth
@@himikotoga4270 twitter is where anime fans go to train our psychological resistance
Ahahaha
Well the ones in real life. Even if you get into an argument with them
I mean. It stand to reason why people gets astounded at MHA fans, Black Cover JJK and CSM haters, FMA warriors etc. Because it's just not the usual.
My dad has been watching animes since the 80s, my brother since 2000s, me since 2010s.
I tell you the only thing the anime community hate is an author dying. My dad and brother is still in the grieving phase when Kentaro Miura author of Berserk died. Right now we are praying that Oda finish One piece or give it a ending he wanted and not some producer wanted. Many great series are either in haitus or ended because of what the author did(*Cough* Act Age).
Anime in general still has this lingering stigma as being weird, even amongst broader nerd culture, so I imagine a lot of the audience would've come in with that notion on the onset. So it's not surprising that the fans that stick around are more often than not, willing to poke fun at themselves, since almost everyone was an outsider looking in at one point. We know the medium's odd, we _revel_ in it and have fun with it.
It's going to be comic book industry 2.0
Created and popularized by enthusiastic people who adore it, and then exploited by money hungry mainstream media disguising themshelves as nerds, inadvertently ruining it.
The longer you've been an anime fan the less toxic you become, snobish maybe
@@sdbzfan1 Ain't that the truth
The best comment to describe anime fans. But man, when you become a new anime fan, you are edgy, cocky and degenerate as fuck that gets toxic so quickly mainly the shonen fans
I really like the author is taking break once every month so he only release 3 chapters per month unless there's a holiday. This type of schedule is like the healthiest they could get which able to expand the story and ideas, spend time with their family, have a free time of their own without being on a constant burnout.
I am of the opinion that manga should be biweekly so it doesn't put in danger the authors health
@@AlexT7916 Oda just simply built different
@@rohanamor4323 Yup , making such a good mange while only getting 3 hours of sleep per night
I remember when Shonen jump was forcing such tight deadlines that several mangas went on hiatus or canceled because of profit. Legit even happened to the late Kazuki Takahashiwhere he had to condense / cut a subplot from the manga and in a different company Rumiko Takahashi had to take a Brief hiatus due to her pregnancy and alleged rumors of her editor at the time being a dick about it.
There’s a reason The creator of dragon ball made some villains based on his editors. Yes projects need to be on time but let them get a break every so often.
This is actually really unhealthy still, my man sleeps like 5 hours a day and spends the rest drawing manga anyway
Theres a reason there is such a huge amount of people that only watch niche stuff, only stay in the small communities. Its not just because they think theyre different, its also just a lot calmer
Demon slayer before it absolutely exploded in popularity. Although, i don't think the mainstream community is any near as toxic as it could be for it. The anime is just the pinnacle of what an adaptation should be.
Tatsuki Fujimoto fans before the community got inundated by Chainsaw man hype-twats.
Imagine deciding what you watch based on the communities ...
@@chucks233 to some people the community is the enjoyable part
@@Nao-pj7mc but just being a sheep is not a good thing either.
And let's not forget sports fans, where they would literally kill someone because their team loose a game💀
war el savador and honduras because of football
Preach!
@yorchanel102 I know this makes me look like a 🤓, but the Football War was really caused by border conflicts between the two. It just so happened the World Cup Qualifier took place at the same time as those events, and the extreme fútbol culture combined with the existing tensions, as well as a mass of both countries' population in the exact same place, that lit off the powder keg.
I've commented awhile back on a video of this high school football coach screaming his head off at kids on-board a bus in which I called them out on their absolutely atrocious behavior; And boy have I never met that many toxic ass hard-core fanboys throwing every bit of insult and just downright trying to defend the sport to the death like I had that day.
I'm Canadian and sports fans nearly destroyed a city because of a lost hockey game
Let's not forget that Twitter is THE smallest mainstream Social Media platform , with 395Million total users where only a quarter actually tweet , while UA-cam has 1.6 Bilion MONTLY users
My favorite thing is the absolute hypocrisy of anime fans. Kobayashi, Evangelion, etc were all popular and never hated before except by a few. Then it got super mainstream and people are SCREAMING its pedophilia and all the creators should die if there's a minor character and blah blah blah. I mean it's crazy.
I mean that's just Twitter not anime fans lol I feel like most people who get upset about stuff like that started watching anime in the last 3 years because as someone who's been watching and as been in the culture since 06 I have never seen this level of hate for loli shota etc and misunderstanding of it at that until the pandemic hit they literally came out of nowhere these sjw's aren't anime fans
Anime fans have always been a bit dumb, but the hit takes that used to be, were just personal opinions. I hated eva back in the day. But you add the twitter perspective of trying to find "problematic" issues and making a stink, and it's a new low.
It's a mainstream, going into "crazy" people's hands type of thing.
Twitter is full of instances where, something isn't mainstream, no problems happens. Soon as small niche thing gets popular, it gets heavily criticized. Even when it comes to old, wasn't-wrong-at-the-time shows/anime, it'll get ungracefullly mobbed by weirdos.
Social media is a great platform for these psychos and weirdos because they can't zip up on the internet. Irl you could shut them up, I know. It's a shame people just have to get thick skin or deal with them some other way.
that because its on twitter. there are reason entire internet hate them. least you can do is make fun
@@fable2830 yeah, before they into anime, they into rwby,undertale,avatar/kora,steven universe and mlp in tumblr and yes back they same issues art fixer, black washing, fattening make the chara ugly,the toxic lgbt shiping,doxxing,false reporting, death threat and more except for they yelling "pedo stuff" i think that new . you can see back then on tumblr it was worst they even try to kill undertale artists puting needle in cookies at con,sending death threat to dying children because saw new steven universe first before they do and etc you can see on youtube the worst fandom there is steven universe on tumbnail.
I love when charlie says that he hates that no characters die Joey and Gant IMMIDENTLY Look at each other with Marineford flashbacks.
That's the thing Charlie knows about these deaths, he said there's only about 4 major deaths in a show.
Honestly there were many times where Sunny should have been absolutely destroyed. Like the villains are literally on the ship and don't decide to burn it for some reason
One piece is just for a younger audience. Sure it has mature themes but so do many cartoons and it hardly ever takes itself seriously. I get that’s the vibe of the show but the characters are bland aside from a few and I just feel like I’m five years old watching that shit. Marinefords death felt lazily done and not only that but that doesn’t excuse the lack of deaths early on.. like at all. They were just making excuses.
The reason Oda doesn't kill his villains is because sing their dreams be crushed by a rubber idiot will hurt them even more. Imagine spend your entire life working on a evil plan to kill somebody or take over a kingdom but suddenly a rubber man and his motley Crew destroy any hopes of your goals coming true
@@daelanbro I agree that some deaths should have happened sooner, but I gotta hard disagree with the marineford deaths, those were well placed and really shifted the series going forward even to some current plot points almost 13 years later.
@@realpkchad1631 I just don’t agree that major death at marine ford didn’t do anything for Luffy long term he’s still the same dumbass he was before. I felt as if the war of the best was so lazy it was just almost unwatchable.
While Joey is right, the bigger the franchise the more toxic the fans, there’s more nuance to it.
The size thing is less “popular things attract shitty people” and more that your metaphorical fish net is bigger. Even in small communities there are wackos and elitists who ruin things for everyone else. It’s just harder for outsiders to find them and go, “wow, that fandom’s toxic!”
There’s also the idea of fandom-hopping and the types of people various media IPs attract. A lot of the fandoms that get clowned on attract immature audiences. Rick and Morty, Undertale, Steven Universe, easily accessible newer anime like MHA or AoT, etc. These are fans that don’t know how to politely agree to disagree or simply ignore content they don’t like. So, like kids, they’ll pitch a fit while talking about how mature their favorite IP is. Or they’ll engage in a lot of black-and-white thinking about topics/opinions. Or they’ll take someone trolling as some kind of personal attack, etc.
It’s not _just_ kids, there are definitely immature adults who act the same way, but I tend to notice this a lot because I was a teen in fandoms who’s now growing up and realizing how dumb it all was. Tumblr was the original toxic fansite. But when that turned to shit ALL those immature shitbags + elitists turned to twitter and reddit.
Tumblr was a containment site.
Toxic people are everywhere you go is my philosophy. I don't let it ruin my desire to participate in fandoms
I think it's just about the sample size. If the thing is more common, it has much more fans, you have a higher probability of finding toxic people.
I watched the first half of OP, and I’d be lying if I say I didn’t feel bored watching certain episodes, but it’s honestly a great experience to watch.
I always excuse old animes with bad pacing because that's how it was back then. Now if a new anime came with that pacing then I would absolutely shit on it
@@hei7846I’ve been watching the beginning of one piece and it’s not as bad as I heard or expected. I had a harder time getting through the beginning of bleach than one piece
@@Jaykurosakii & yet _Bleach_ is the one that streamlined all that in the beginning, adapting approx. 5 chapters per episode 💀💀💀(One Piece at 2ish in the first 200ish episodes)
Anime fans are chill, I knew a person who did rugby who was very nice all the time, I was surprised when I would see him watching sport anime and being so open about it. A lot of normal people like anime without needing to invest their lives into which might be why most are extremely chill
I think the toxic portion of the fanbase is just a proportion issue. When a community is small, you can have like 50 toxic weirdos nobody cares about, having maybe one or two pop up on a reddit thread form time to time. But when you talk about something very mainstream like one piece, marvel, etc, you can have a couple of hundred thousand toxic weirdos making threads and forums for themselves to circlejerk and "raid" other threads and forums
Like Joey said, "More Mainstream = More Toxic"
Charlie looks like a mini man compared to the trash taste boys and it’s blowing my mind
That's because Charlie is short, he already stated it multiple times. But just like vegeta it doesn't matter
@@khaledm.1476 I already knew he was short, I just didn’t expect the trash taste boys to look like giants in comparison
Nah the moist man is so humble that he shrinked himself to show his humility
I've been watching movies my entire life & rarely do I find myself in any argument or toxicity. And on the other hand it's been like 2 years since I've gotten into anime & I very frequently stumble around people saying "it's mid" & don't get me started on Twitter.
Football fanbase: Pft.. Amateurs...
Religious fanbase:- bonjour
@@marmedalmond9958
Politics Fanbase: Hello there.
Anime and Gaming fandoms can just be easily be pleased as they get angry
Social media are the ones destroying the anime community but us fans are too passionate so we fight back. We even clash inside of our own. At the same time we show how classy we understand which shows are good and bad.
"fight" "argue online"
@@jobansand If we brought back gun duels from the 1700s, suddenly a lot less people would talk shit and online conversations would be far more pleasant.
@@gamingrex2930 Yo you said One Piece isn't that good? Meet me at (insert address that's in a different continent) so we can have a duel!
Now that I think about it, he is right, the movie/tv show community really is composed of the most toxic fandoms. Specially Comic book Movies/Shows fans, that don´t even care about the source material. To me, I´ve seen the worst shit from Kpop fans
Bleach fans are just happy to meet other Bleach fans 😊
Awwwww💋💋💋💋😐
Not my opinion since I have never really talked About bleach with other people but saw his in another comment
For anime mass majority not alot of people worldwide watch it more than non anime shows and movies. Anime fans oh the animation is good this and that and oh my mc solos your mc from your favorite anime, it's stupid just enjoy what you watch like I'm not a huge fan of bleach I dont love it but I do respect it on what it was. Not gonna bash it to hell like their fans where they didnt like how it ended send death threats to kubo, make him change it make him leave for 10 years to clear his mind and get away from the toxicity start burning manga. But everything is fine when the studio borrowed money to make a well animated new bleach arc watch when pierrot studio go do another project that's not bleach watch all the hate they'll pour on if the naruto remake happens or if they work on black clover since it's been put off to the side for so long. Reason I bring up bleach is they claim they are the chillers fan base ever but nope fans expect everything from the studio that made the show to the writer kubo giving them what they want. Feels to me the studio and kubo are the fans slaves. Than actually living the things that they do to provide for them. Well what the hell ou bit your digging up to deep into this yeah no it's what pops up over the years when it got cancelled.
i just realized anime fans actually aren't the most toxic fandom if i think more about it.
but still anime fans just like myself aren't the most chill human being on earth makes me realize that the bar for toxicity just above what i expected.
I feel like that sums it up good
Seeing Golgo 13 up there with the highest selling manga's makes me so happy, Golgo 13 it's so good and so underrated. The anime is badass and Golgo would probably fit right in with the Baki universe, the Jojo's universe and Hokuto no ken universe
How is it underrated if it's one of the highest selling manga?
@@dipankarkalita8652 The anime is underrated but the manga isn't, just like Kingdom which outselled one piece (came 2nd to demon slayer) or world trigger whose manga is very popular
@@dipankarkalita8652 i'm talking about the anime being underrated, but also I think the manga is underrated too. But here's the reason, underrated means that it isn't rated as high as it deserves but you could also say that is isn't appreciated enough or talked about enough as well. Some anime/manga are popular in sales only in some countries like Japan, Golgo 13 is one of these manga that seems to not be very popular outside of Japan. Even though people put Hitman reborn also up there with highest selling manga and anime, this was basically in Japan and didn't have the same success internationally. So Golgo 13 doesn't get enough love outside of Japan really both anime and manga, even the manga sales outside of Japan are not that high
Oda just gives you false sense of security that, yeah this is a happy go lucky series and no one will die, at least not outside of flashbacks. And then bam! He sucker punches you by killing some major and loved characters.
1:56 Possibly the fact that he nuged his fanbase to review bomb Sonic Frontiers because he didn't like the game , or that he doesn't get even a quarter of the way through some JRPG's before shitting on them in a review ( Xenoblade )
The funny thing about Terminator Dark Fate is people hated it before it even started as soon as they killed John Connor
The BHA fandom is a pretty good example of an anime fandom. It was wholesome and there was that meme of that nerd inspired by the anime to stop an actual criminal in real life.
Then it got mainstream and lunatics that didn't belong in the fandom, the *shippers* attacked. Now the fandom is a fractured husk where most of us have jumped ship only to peak in once a month cause the lewds are good.
You talking bout mha?
What a bunch of generalizations
@@Biostar96 all true tho
" the shippers attacked" is how I feel about Haikyu. Genuinely might be my favorite anime, but I would never associate as a "Haikyu Fan".
@@mrdan523 Yeah, I like the show but want nothing to do with the fandom. I know the bad apples don't represent every fan but they're loud and toxic enough to scare potential new fans away. It's a shame.
8:20 Ooooooohh, Asterix! That's the real shit!
11:27 It’s like that with the Star Wars prequels for me. Because of the Prequel Memes I cannot take them seriously anymore but in exchange I know almost every dialogue line
I mean One Piece started in the 90s, so of course can be feel "old" by some with its pacing.
toxic? idk, its debatable. Twitter is quite the rabble rouser but when you go in forums, people are just talking and having random debates about this and that.
but being downright downbad and questionable? heavy yes, anime fans are pretty weird, go on fan discords and forums and thats where despair kicks in.
go on h sites or forums and you realize youve fallen in depths you shouldnt have gone to
Gonna be honest the chillest anime fans are the one's that watch or read the underrated classics
Have you seen history greatest disclipe and hitman reborn
I advice you to watch it good
Everywhere I've mentioned Rosario to Vampire manga everyone's just been like "fuck yeah peak harem series". I find many new big anime with manga readers being kind of hard to talk to for one reason or another. However for people that on a whim read something old based on an anime they watched a long time ago are always excited but hardly overbearing.
@@donotusethisnomoreqxre sounds cool I'll add it to the list to watch or read
Samurai Champloo, Megalo Boxing,... loved those so much. Hit me up if you watched it!
Speaking of "scenes where the tone is ruined by memes", if you've ever seen that crying anime girl meme, it's from late in Magical Girl Site, a series that decided looked at how dark Madoka got and said "You are like baby. Watch THIS." and went even darker, almost to it's detriment.
People dislike Dunkey, not because his takes are unfair or bad all the time, but for SOME REASON, the general video gaming public puts WAAAAYYYY too much stock into his takes. Xenoblade chronicles 3 is one of my favorite games ever made, but I found his jokes about it funny as hell, cuz…yeah it’s not perfect and has idiosyncrasies that are fun to laugh at. What I DIDNT like was the reaction afterwards of people online IMMEDIATELY writing the game off as “cringe anime game dunkey said was bad”. Like….no…you missed the point entirely if you’re gonna watch his video as think he hates the game or is somehow with his video trying to say “it’s garbage don’t play it”
Overall I think he inadvertently hurts the games he pokes fun at mostly not because he’s trying to or because he hates the game and wants to see it fail, it’s mostly cuz people are stupid in how they treat his videos as some kind of ultimate final say on whether the game is worth a damn. Like….bruh. Just play it for yourself, don’t let any single reviewer’s take sway you.
I agree 100%, I don't recommend the One Piece anime to people anymore. The manga is solid still, dated as the boys said, and there are a few places that are genuinely hard to get through (due to tedium) but it does develop in a way that a story can't without a bajillion volumes.
Charlie ain't ready for the cluster-f*ck that is trying to get through the Punk Hazard arc.
@@japersp.7176 I might be one of the few people who likes punk hazard
@@asoleieifretton7578 The only arc I can't stand is the Davy back arc minus the episodes with Afro Luffy.
@@wraithflaire1639 you mean long ring island ?
@@asoleieifretton7578 yep
Fanatics of any entertainment medium on Twitter are full-blown lunatics. In real life, most of my friends and acquaintances are like, "You like Katsuhiro Otomo! Cool. I do too. You should check out GITS."
Film enthusiasts make their favourite movies 100% of their personality.
The thing about starting One Piece now is a really interesting conversation.
The mangá, being as old as it is now, should almost be treated as "period pieces" by new readers, in order to enjoy them. Because, yeah, they aver over 20 YEARS OLD. That's a very solid take.
I think the Anime producer recognize that, and that's why we got the "Episode of X" series of movies (Episode of East Blue, Episode of Arabasta). It's not perfect but it is a way to "catch up" potential new watchers.
What would be REALLY interesting is seeing early one piece Anime getting the "Dragon Ball Kai" treatment. Jusrt redoing early one piece but trying to fix PAcing isses and the such. Call it "One Piece: Romance Dawn" and the orginal fans are gonna go CRAZY. =p
there is actually an Initial D movie originally made in Cantonese complete with Japanese signs, houses, and cars but the whole thing is in Cantonese. It's so bizarre.
I feel all these guys forget that they are weebs that spend most of their day in front of a pc and the biggest “attack” is online bullying.
Now lets pick football for example, fans can easily beat and even kill someone else just for being on the opposite team. Lets just say that the anime community is a sweet talking child compare with traditional sports or other “outside” activities.
Daily reminder to hide your powerlevel and not concern yourself with miserable social media sickos.
I could just be picking at straws here but uh, if the fanbase is bigger, and the percentage of toxic people stays roughly the same in any growing population, then more fans = more toxic / vocal few becoming louder. On top of that, growing fanbases probably attract trolls.
Honestly the movie community has become so bad they pretty much just want every film franchise to fail these days or expect it too. The latest one is Avatar 2 people complain that filmmakers have no passion or are too political and yet JC is making his passion work cause he likes it but people still want to bitch about like it is so bland and unorginal story or it is too expensive i mean really? 90% of films these days have a copy paste story from some other work. Like just enjot the movie don't focus on the negative but than again i can kind of understand as there has been so much crap being thrown out these day you pretty much expect it to be crap from the get go, i miss the simple times man or maybe im just getting old.
A lot of ppl mistake being cringe as toxic nowadays, not to mention cringe itself is even more subjective than being toxic
The most toxic fans stem from children's shows and cartoons, no matter where it's from. Precure has one of the most toxic fandoms I've seen for an anime in such a long time, even outside of Twitter and Reddit
Obviously, more people=easier to find more toxic people. Also you get more people with different opinions, arguments can’t be dodge.
Movie/TV shows and sports fans
These have been the most toxic groups I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with
Charlie is in for a shock when he finds out that not only do one piece characters die, a lot of them do. Even if he has seen up Alabasta then he should already seen the Arlong park arc where Nami's step mum died. And if he saw Choppers backstory then he'd know same thing happen with choppers dad
There's a difference between characters who have died and characters who do die. Like if Vegapunk was revealed dead right now people would lose their minds because we've been following him and had no clue. For those characters we knew or had an idea they've been dead the whole time.
@@M7S4I5L8V2A sure, but you still see characters actually die from even as early as Arlong parc. But I think Charlie was meaning main characters not necessarily side characters.
He's referring to the present story, not in flashbacks, especially all the characters who have fake out deaths
Almost all the crew lost someone at some point, even Luffy.
He was referring to meaningful deaths, like main characters death type of thing. The plot armor is too strong lol
I swear if Twitter didn’t exist, half of all toxic discourse wouldn’t even be known about
if twitter user go back tumblr, most of toxic things in all fandom will be greatly reduce
back when they all belonged in tumblr 😭
@@suiii8777 and all the sane people wouldn't use Tumblr.
Tbf, even before the Internet/social media in general, most toxicity still kinda existed among old fandoms/communities and subcultures, it just took different forms when the toxicity is more in-person.
For example, most circles of Goth and/or alternative subcultures used to be way more exclusionary due to gatekeeping and stereotypes amongst the communities before the Internet/social media helped bring more people into the subculture, without feeling like an outcast among other. As a Goth myself that has listened to the music and wears the fashion associated with most of the subculture, I would've had a harder time being a member of the community back then compared to now if I didn't do something that fit with being Goth of the time, but with the help of the current technologies we have now, other variations of the subculture have been able to organically come about without people being as exclusionary to each other as they used to be (at least from my experience).
@@Scarshadow666 the big change now is also the ease at which the toxic people can find other toxic people and get their voice heard. The advent of social media REALLY allowed unhinged people to find each other easier, congregate, and let their hot takes fester in an echo chamber
I mean even anime fans can rip on their favorite anime
Kinda not related, but seeing Asterix as second behind One Piece made me happy. I find it so wholesome and I like to read it in between more heavy and deep stuff as a nice reprieve.
It might be contextual. It depends on whether they value your voice on the topic or not. Being an anime podcast people think your opinion on anime has weight.
Yeah, not really. If you go to a recent clip of Charlie talking about the new Bleach season for example, he complains about a few choices made in the anime that he wished were changed from the manga. If you go into the comments, the number of fans getting upset and defensive over what is a very minor criticism is insane. When something reaches a certain point of popularity, fans can get rabid.
@@manuelsputnik if that was star wars then he would get doxxed
I relate to the One piece thing of loving the late point of something so much, you forget the issues with the start. Had a buddy that heard me and a friend talking about rewatching Naruto shippuden and he was like "Oh yeah I wanna get into Naruto." and then he's a chunk of episodes in like "what the hell is this?" and I was confused until I went back into the timeline and was like... Oh yeah... Og Naruto was 200 episodes with about 40 good ones. I was like "Why don't I just tell you the story beats and then you go watch the fights when we get there?"
Even now when I rewatch Naruto. It's like Zabuza, half the chunnin exams, Save sasuke arc, ok now shippuden.
congratulations you found out the fillers
nah 40 and exaggerations
Toxicisty correlates with how niche to popular something is, because similar to how when you can take hits and a sense of humor aka being the butt of a joke you can take someone telling you that your opinion sucks because who cares they arent gonna stop me from liking my show, when something is popular all the shit comes out because people always think they have the right opinion
well with one piece its fine, i think the ones that are not biased would say the start is pretty meh, clearly everything is subjective for some ppl it got good at the beginning while for other was later on. In my experience it started it slow, but i really liked arlong park, from the storytelling, how everything was build up for that moment, namis backstory, the walk to arlong park with overtaken ost while zoros buddies tell the village abt certain men, that was when i was like damn i think this show is good. Then it was good but anything great imo, alabasta had its highs but i doubt ill rewatch it cuz there are arcs that i liked more. Then i reach water 7/ennies lobby and FOR ME oda took it to another level and since then ive been hooked to one piece, obviously there has been better arcs than others, obviously in the good arcs there has been some meh episodes but overall ive thoroughly enjoyed the show. Once again obviously this is my subjective take, since we are different and have things we like more than other things. We value different elements in a show, so if you didnt like it thats fine.
Even as a huge one piece fan I wouldn't recommend watching the anime at least until you get to wano when it actually looks good, I still have issues with how the anime is paced sometimes but it's much better than everything before wano, generally if someone wants to get into one piece I just tell them to read it, you get through it much faster and it's a overall better experience.
The only times the anime really dropped the production quality wise was Dressrosa and maybe punk hazard. Everything is really solid especially everything from Davy back fight all the way to marineford. I think the artstyle they used for those arcs really carried everything.
Hot take but I cant stand the Wano animation. The colour saturation is way to bright, they use the shaky cam technique in action scenes, a lot of the times you can't tell what is going on in the action because a lot of it has too many close up shots and the frames feel like they they are going at 12 per second to show how fast they are fighting, the ki aura look that they added was a dumb decision and I'm glad they are getting rid of that after the Wano anime, it looks like the magic effects from Black Clover and that's not a good sign. I'd prefer Dressrosa or anything pre dating Whole cake Island in fact. At first glance it looks good but has way too many problems when you keep watching on. Also why would you want to start the anime here after reading the manga? Wano is the slowest it has ever been. Wano anime has about 40 eps to. The raid itself is gonna be more than 100 eps
@@Jordie_42 Hard disagree on that. I do agree that some of the actions are almost too dynamic at times but you know the show's got a good production if it allows the animators to flex. Wano is meant to be very colorful and the saturation changes so much between episode to episode anyway. So, it never really bothered me. The Wano artstyle is one of the best artstyle the series has ever had. The animation has never been so free in all of one piece. Basically the staff seems to be allowed to showcase their own style of animation and it keeps us surprised on what to expect from the arc.
Right there with you on the one piece, and I'll even admit I stopped after the crocodile arc finished. I want to get back to it, I think it's just hard to watch due to the age at times. Maybe I'll read up until The War
answer to arlong situation:
one piece spoiler:
Luffy didn't kill arlong because he is not a hero. Nami was tormented but not killed. Even if Arlong killed Nami's mother, that was out of Luffy's reach. Also, he didn't listen to the nami backstory in the first place.
Wait till he meets sports fans 🙂
I had the exact problems with One Piece when I first started watching it like how Luffy has no character development, and nobody dies but after the Luffy vs Usopp fight I didnt really care about the flaws anymore and just enjoyed the journey.
When I first witnessed all of that in Spring Break 2010 thru to the end of Enies Lobby, One Piece was the only thing that mattered by then. Thankfully things have simmered a decent bit since
My favourite anime protagonist is Natsuki Subaru from Rezero but I've seen at least 10 AOT fans get mad at me for not picking Eren over him. It's absolutely ridiculous.😂
3:25 as an "underground" hiphop fan just no, its everywhere lol
What anime could have so many channels dedicated just to it, IDK maybe Dragonball...
Like there's atleast 40 Dragonball channels, so weird they didn't forgot about it
I also feel like Luffy change very little through the whole show and hes hardly an amazing character himself but how well author used him in the story is what make him a great protagonist. And thats exactly what alot of MC like Ichigo and Naruto lacks for different reasons even though they probably more interesting characters just in vacuum
I would say it's his lack of change that is actually important in the story. It's easy to make a character change in a story and make that change engaging. But making a character that doesn't change engaging and interesting is a much more difficult task. Luffy is himself; he won't change for anyone, not even the author. And it doesn't matter what you throw at him, or what bad things happen to him; he will not change himself. The story of One Piece is all about how one person can change the world, not how the world changes a person.
Luffy is very goal oriented and not easily distracted, so it's easy to root for him despite being essentially a walking meathead with ZERO growth as a person. There's not a second happened in One Piece where Luffy doubt himself or put into an inescapable corner.
One Piece is an setpiece story with colorful characters, not really a hero's journey to maturity.
@@victoriazero8869 There is a whole arc of Luffy going through depression, but aside form that, Luffy had some change, but barely compared to the length of the story, and its by design. Its a story about dreams, adventure, and family.
@@victoriazero8869 Well that's not really true. There's like an entire arc specifically there to make Luffy doubt himself and put him in an inescapable corner.
Naruto first time appearance is simping over sakura .
Ichigo is edgy tennager.
Luffy : oh , that's a barrel, i want to Jump in to it , if i die , i die . Simple as that .
I stopped caring about the characters of one piece because I know they will survive. I stopped caring about the crew for their pain because I know everything will be OK.
I'm curious isn't that also naruto too especially in sasuke retrieval where choji, neiji had fake out deaths. I see where you're coming from but to me, I feel invested in the story and the adventure they go on
You're incredibly shallow-minded if you think characters have to die for you to care about them.
i lost interest in AOT because too many characters died. its a bad plot device
Every fanbase has their small or large group of toxic fans part of it I just learned to ignore them especially the anime fans who think your simple minded if you started watching anime during 2020 like their is some unwritten rule when your suppose to start watching anime
Fr idk what's wrong with getting into anime during the pandemic period as if it makes u less of a fan (tho I've grown up watching anime, i never really knew about anime at the time so I don't think that counts)
“I hate one piece because they don’t kill anyone”
When you want to tell people how far you are into one piece
but don’t tell them how far you are into one piece
I mean aside from one character, nobody of importance died so far.
@@jayadevs281 Huh
@@jayadevs281 Uh, I think the main comment is talking about you too 😂
I watched like 100 eps............
@@Gandhi_Physique then please enlighten me oh wise one.
Some people do die and it is so sad
it really depends. I like anime and kpop. When i told them i liked kpop i got so much hate and ofc they called all the kpop men gay/transgender. .-.
I'd blame the spammy af kpop stan accounts likely skewing their perception.
Also there's a good chance they might have actually encountered a stan.
I thought One Piece: The Anime was really strong from the start Buggy is really annoying but other then that i enjoyed it a lot
anime fans are chill, want proof?, this community right here.
The rest who are toxic got issues so don't mind them
one peice deaths are iconic cause no one ever dies so it feels good no matter what
When it comes to long series based on manga it is usually better to read the manga first takes less time, but in the case of kimetsu no yaiba the anime is much better than the manga pretty rare that
Anime community is a bit older now. The OG niche anime fans are close to or a bit above 40 now
To be fair, the anime fan base is the baby of these other fan bases.
I couldn’t get past ep 1 for One Piece. I just don’t have the time or patience to hate watch 79 or more episodes because “it gets better” later on.
Edit: I guess I could have prefaced that if people do like one piece I’m not going to dog them for it. I will be the first in line to admit my taste is absolute bat shit trashy.
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5:00 Joey and Garnt look at each other
I feel anime fans get really mad at first then just remember they can like the show anyway, but when they find someone who likes the show as well that day is over for productivity
There will always be the "other side" of you say it's trash or good someome will say GO OFF KING
Charlie looks like he’s a 1/4 scale figure of himself on UA-cam next to the others 🤣 bless brother you’re proper kawaii
Does anyone know the channel that dissected Charlie's Terminator video? I'm genuinely curious lol.
This is what System of a Down was singing about all those years ago. We should've listened!
Everybody says the same thing about One Piece (which is true) and yet in no time you find yourself watching Marinford crying and proclaiming your aliance to the Straw hats.
Should get bald and bankrupt on here. Know he's not really from the same side of UA-cam as Bad taste but seen he was in Japan and thought it would be awesome for my 2 favorite UA-cam channels collaborating and would be really interesting to talk to him in a long form factor with minimum editing
3:18 Garnt finally did it
Anime fans are the greatest, unless you only count the power scalers. You're especially in a shitty situation if you encounter a manga reader.
I had a discussion one time with a manga reader of chainsaw man, he said "just wait until we get to the crazy part" and i said "why are you manga readers always overhyping the content?'. He first responded with "i'm not overhyping its just factually correct", and it didn't take a long time before he started rambling about how he was a superintelligent human being and he started flexing about stuff he probably didn't have...
Connor has no concept how many pokemon youtubers there are
I think the anime fans just like having other people that enjoy the same stuff we do
Very very good point. It's like the world has meaning when we get a close friend or family member to watch their first anime and they genuinely enjoy it. One of the greatest feelings ever.
was the podcast that Critical was talking about EFAP?
I notice that the size of the community correlates with the size of the medium.
Movies are pure mainstream. Everyone watches movies.
Gaming is mainstream for millennials and Zoomers only, male dominated space still etc
Anime is bigger than its ever been, but still a niche weirdo interest that mostly attracts younger audiences.
Its almost like toxicity in communities is not really a thing and more that as a community grows, the 1% of arseholes you get literally everywhere grows alongside this to scale 🤔
I'm sure a lot of OP fans shares the same sentiment regarding the Pell bs
Not a hot take at all
Clearly charlie hasn't seen the abyss that is r/yeagerbomb
i gotta say that anime and video game fans have nothing in terms of toxcity when compared with sport fans. I've seen people fight, injure and sometimes even kill each other over the result of a football (soccer) game.
speaking of one piece as an ex fan, one thing that has always bothered me its that the swordsman that can cut through steal and has shown no qualms regarding killing people (unless they're a woman) constantly leaves his oponents unconsious with sword marks that look like a bad rash.
Movie and tv show fans are definitely the most toxic. The Steven universe and Rick and morty fanbases are savages.
As someone who enjoyed Dark Fate, Charlie's approval of it makes me happy.
Honestly the anime community is nowhere near as toxic as the Star Wars community. As a hardcore fan in both, I can tell you that Star Wars fans will rip your opinion to shreds. I definitely see a share of toxicity in the anime community but honestly, most of it is a small minority on twitter and reddit.
Star Wars fans will literally eat you alive if you enjoyed any part of the sequel movies whatsoever
Ever since Joey stopped talking about anime things are a lot less toxic
i started watching one piece around the beginning of 2021 and i actually really liked those first 80 episodes.