@@andr0zzsenpai are you high ? The definition of ecchi is "As an adjective, it is used with the meaning of "sexy", "dirty" or "naughty"; as a verb, ecchi suru (エッチする or Ｈする) means "to have sex", and as a noun, it is used to describe someone of lascivious behavior." Now considering DG is virtually a hentai in parts it's a pretty hard sell to say it's not.
Lmao yea its like saying the protagonists from Interspecies Reviewers objectify women. They literally pay prostitutes and rate them on a scale from 1-10. Yes water is wet. Still great animes.
Yeah Light was never written to be the "good guy". It was a story about letting power and control get to his head even if he felt they were for the greater good.
I feel like people have rose-tinted glasses when it comes to 80's and 90's anime. As if everything was Cowboy Bebop then ecchi came in and ruined everything. The first anime I watched was Legend of the Overfiend. Once anime got out of being stigmatized as "for kids" it became extremely hyper violent and sexual. 80's-90's anime women were getting raped by tentacle monsters then blow up into red paste. Shit has actually really toned down over the years.
Were they even alive back in the 80’s? Garnt is the oldest and I don’t think he is that above 30. It feels like they know about anything before late 90’s anime through second hand knowledge rather than actually seeing it. Which I guess is fine, not everyone will hunt for old rare shows like I myself did, but that also leads to very sun informed opinions about the state of current anime. Fanservice and sexualization has existed in the medium for several decades, way before the 2000’s. The only new wave, technically, was the whole isekai boom, and even that is just a return to old anime tropes (Has everyone forgotten Magic Knight Rayeart and Inuyasha?). Even the recently popular Lyciris Recoil is basically a Japanese-stylized Gunslinger Girls(since that one featured European girls).
@@lenleon3699 I wasn't old enough to experience the 80's. But I was around when 80's VHS anime tapes trickled down into hole in the wall VHS shops in NYC during the mid to late 90's. This is around the time where my cousin (much older than me) would rent Legend of the Overfiend, Akira, Ninja Scroll, Faces of Death- niche media att. This is when people would try to find snuff films and stumble upon Kite, Apocalypse Zero, Wicked City, and Violence Jack. I know there probably familiar with these especially Joey. I was more so talking about zoomers and normies that see something like MHA and think lewding high schoolers is a crime against humanity. Or people who have a really selective memory when it comes to 90's stuff. Because trust me, there's way crazier shit back in the day.
@@Anonymous-x1x Joey claims he is, yet he suddenly comes out with the most zoomer opinions in existence. Or he suddenly goes on his elitist rose-tinted soap box. Can’t ever take his takes too seriously. But yes, the amount of graphic material they packed into shows back in the heyday of OVA’s was just insane.
I was about to say. Besides the few like harem labrynth isekai and redo of healer, i have not seen something as grossly sexual as kiss x sis or to love ru in a very long time. Early 2000s was worse than 2010s by far. Look at soul eater, or naruto. I havent seen an anime lately that has been so unnecessarily sexual ive been like "damn, i legit dont want to watch this." Last one was fire force, but knowing the author and soul eater, that might just be the authors style
@@dogdicer1153 that is just his style yes. He will always add some plot or story relevant excuse to add some ecchi scenes. Plus, both series are confirmed by the author to be related (as in Fire Force is a prequel and explains some of the lore of Soul Eater). So making both series be similar in feel makes sense even if it is not to the liking of some.
Everyone totally misunderstands Kill la Kill. Ryuko was only ever sexualised by the animators when she was embarrassed by her own body. Once she gets over it in episode 3, she's never sexualised again.
Same with misunderstanding Darling in the Franxx. The point was the world embraced giving up sexuality and emotions for immortality, and the show is learning these emotions in a world devoid of them. From sexuality, love, heartbreak, weight issues and more, ON TOP OF a significant environmentalist message, the show is amazing on all levels. My only disappointment with Trigger is that their Star Wars Vision episodes should have been longer and more fleshed out lol. Alas.
This is just straight up not true lmao. Like just a complete lie. There's a shit ton of fanservice in KLK and most of it involves Ryuko just by virtue of her being the main character. I like KLK and the creators were clearly very self-aware about what they were doing, but it still had a TON of sexualization which not everyone will vibe with.
Why does everyone seem to have a selective memory of past anime? The OVA boom of the 80s was defined by excessive T&A and violence, and really, there's always been an eb and flow when it comes to authors (even in mainstream anime works) including fanservice in their works. It isn't anything new to the medium, it's just more convenient to watch more anime/read manga, hence why you see more of it in the market than you would have before. Studios like Gainax through the late 80s and 90s definitely helped to make it more normalized in TV works though.
That's because those OVA where rare to get in the West in the first place, so fewer people had watch them. Most folks grow up watching mainstream shows like DragonBall and Pokémon.
The term the boys are looking for is "Gainaxing." There's a TV Tropes for it. Not to be confused with "Gainax Ending" which is a completely different thing.
@@Sejikan Gainax ending is something that makes your head spin around and hurt Like they appear to be completely out of the blue and sometimes you start to wonder what the hell have I been watching They have some of the best animated shows but they are infamous for their endings to their show
Lets remember that Joey loves Monogatari. I really like monogatari but im also not getting into a high horse to bash Melodias while pretending that Araragi doesnt do the shit he does wich is played as comic relief.
@@viniciusnishiyama704 pretty sure they messaged because they are older. Also Joey watches that shit in Japanese, which is often said to be just peak writing. Compared to 7 deadly sins writing... eh
@@viniciusnishiyama704 He absolutely does. There's zero repercussions for him being a legitimate creeper. I enjoy Monogatari too, but holy shit does it make me uncomfortable.
@@AAhmou This is kind of my main problem, I don't mind a series being a little horny, but anime more then most mediums frankly often isn't a little horny, it's ALLOT horny. To the point of being detrimental and distracting in stories that could quite often stand on their own and probably be better off with those elements either removed or toned down. This stuff is something you kind of just have to accept about the medium, but even I can't help but find myself sighing in melancholy resignation every time it shows up.
@@Tk3997 I agree with you there. For example, TenSura is a very interesting show but the fanservice drags the show a bit down for me. It's oftentimes weird and cringy too. I'd love to see it with a more serious atmosphere like the war arc in the show.
You might have actually skipped a lot of good shows . Yeah there are usual ecchi "get girls and that is it" shows which I don't like but there are some that have an actually good story.(even if their synopsis sounds like usual ecchi)
I think maturing comes into play here. The more content you watch, the more refined your taste and more specific it is. Shows these days just feel immature sometimes. Can't enjoy the random fan service because you're looking for something that matches your tastes
can agree to that, was watching stellar blade (project eve) in playstation state of play and i cringe pretty hard on that. i think that adulthood has made me want grounded stories rather than over the top ones.
For me it was the opposite. When I was younger I thought shows like Kill la Kill and Rosario x Vampire were terrible because of the fanservice. As an adult it's like, what kind of souless husk would use that as an excuse to not watch something? It's just plain fun.
1:33 As soon as they started talking about unnecessary sexualisation, I IMMEDIATELY thought of Fire Force. What they kept doing with Tamaki straight up ruined the show for me.
This I definitely agree with, it just takes you out of the story, doesn't bring anything to it besides ha ha! Boobies! And now back to the actual plot of the story
@@ravenwhiteduck6460 and the worst thing it devalues her as a character because whenever there is tension or a moment that could have been titular to her character it goes back to boobies
Literally the reason why I dropped the manga was because of her it just got way too cringe for me. There would be a extremely tense moment then for no reason whatsoever boom tits for no reason right in the middle of a fight and it just pissed me off
Finally, there are people with brains that doesn't just defend fire force because the author panders to the anti-sjws. I'm an anti-sjw, but you also need to have standards, else people like the fire force mangaka abused it and paint your side to be the bad guys. Like seriously, Tamaki is the perfect proof for sjws that the sexualization of woman just for the sake of being sexual object happens. Compare this to other examples of sexualized woman that sjws tend to used where you can say that those women aren't just sexual objects but actual character. Lara Croft sexy? Yeah but she's a capable adventurer. Samus Aran sexy? She's a top bunter hunter. Erza Scarlet often get sexualized? She's a one of the strongest fighters in her world. Meanwhile Tamaki ACHIEVE NOTHING without her sex. She went through training and you figured she would beat people with the training right? NOPE. Oh and what's worse she reduced what would be a cool POC character, the assassin Assault into a fool. Man, I say, if you want to destroy the anti-sjws, then just do like the fire force mangaka. Create sexualized females that achieve nothing and claim that you do it because you are fighting against the prude sjws.
At least we got Iron Widow out of Darling in the Franxx Background: Xiran Jay Xhao (a UA-camr) hated the second half of the show so much that it inspired her to write a novel. It ended up becoming extremely successful & even got on the New York Times bestseller list in 2021. It was pitched as Pacific Rim meets the Handmaid’s Tale and it lives up to that. Highly recommend
Iron Widow is trite YA trash that's poorly written, propped up by being 'queer' and 'feminist' when it's really not. I don't know how you can recommend this garbage. Edit: That's not to say Darling is better, it has it's own issues but to say Iron Widow was a 'good thing' to come out of it is asinine.
I think it depends on the tone of the anime, like if a anime is supposed to be serious and have a gritty tone then it doesn't make sense to add random ecchi scenes to it whereas in a comedy or slice of life or just a anime with a more light heated comedic tone is where fanservice and ecchi shines the most. Or hell, you can add ecchi/fanservice scenes to a serious anime, just place those scenes in the comedic funny moments of the show.
Why though? Why not just have the comedy. When I see a sitcom, the last thing I think is "yeah this needed squealing big booba teenagers, then it would be better". It literally does nothing for the comedy, it just isn't as invasive.
@@shadez123 Ong, I can't ever watch an anime with a family members because of how unpredictable and random the echii scenes are as where watching a movie together would be a lot better because it might only have a kiss scene at the end lol
It depends how Ecchi is done like if it happened randomly in AOT or some shit I would be like "wtf is this" but if I know I'm watching an anime that is designed to have ecchi then I welcome it with open arms like Interspecies Reviewers or Prison School etc😎
Oddly enough, Interspecies Reviewers is a case where they did Add in more perversion. That's why it stopped being distributed. They read the manga and went "yeah, this is pushing it, but we'll allow it." Then it started airing and then they went "WAIT, WHAT THE FUCK! THAT WASN'T IN THE MANGA! CUT IT CUT IT!!!"
They aren’t complaining about sexualization in anime….they’re complaining about unnecessary/unwarranted/pointless sexualization in anime…either you’re 12 and trying to be a smart ass….or you’re not very bright because the difference is as clear as night and day They even said as much in the video….do better
To be fair, the major consumers of manga magazines in Japan are 14~17 year old middle~high school kids. If you look at anime tropes in that perspective a lot of things make more sense.
This. It's odd seeing people complain about fan service etc when it's exactly what the target demographic wants. Alot of people don't seem to realize nothing can be made for everyone and maybe this just isn't made for you. I think alot of it is people being embarrassed to admit they enjoy the fanservice and protesting too much as to not be stigmatized as the weird guy.
@@thisisobviouslybait also, if they look they will find plenty of shows made to their own demographic. It’s just usually not the biggest names (which are obviously shounen titles).
Plenty of people watched anime in that age group before it was filled with cringe amounts of nudity so I find it difficult to take that argument seriously. The perversion just comes off as a cheap and desperate way to lure people through soft core porn. Western animation like Avatar the Last Airbender, Adventure Time etc are far more popular that many Japanese anime and they don't rely on that shit to succeed.
@@sirbear9396 Idk man, early 2000 was filled with school harem and stuff walking at the line but if you are talking about 80 90s anime I can't speak much about it since I was not even born yet(98). It's not an argument to justify anything but a statement of what it is. If you preferred shows like Avatar then there are plenty of Shonen Jump series or things like Gundam, AOT etc for you.
@@sirbear9396 Source... trust me bro... You've clearly not been watching anime long if you seriously think this. Have you considered maybe going and watching something else that targets people like you? No? Just want to cry about something that clearly isn't for you and pretend it's a problem and just recently started. Ok. Enjoy your self imposed misery.
They must have recorded this episode before the release of Cyberpunk Edgerunners. This anime is definitely one of the best sci-fi anime to have ever existed!
I think it’s on par with other of the same genre. A very nice addition to the list of good sci if anime to recommend like Akira, GITS, PsychoPass and Ergo Proxy.
1:36 sums up my feeling for Cyberpunk Edgerunners. My immersion is completely shattered when there's a random ass 5 second VR sex scene for literally 0 reason. It adds nothing. Like I can't even recommend this to anyone that I know personally now.
Summer time render and Aoi ashi were solid for me. I feel like people keep looking for the next big thing and constantly down play a 7/10 show to a 3/10 because it wasn't perfect
@@valorrous04 if we wanna be real Demon Slayer is a 7/10 at best but people are quick to say it's a 10/10 because of the animation completely ignoring that the plot is like a 3/10 and characters are like a 5/10
@@BeastCanaian it’s actually crazy that people compare demon slayer to aot in terms of rating. Aot has strong character development and moving plot points throughout all 4 seasons and demon slayer seems to add stuff on at the beginning of every season with no real build up
I gotta say I genuinely love To Love Ru it was one of the anime I watched as a kid and I just mainly saw it as a goofy romcom that was ecchi. I didn’t realize until much later how much ecchi there was. However, now that I’m older I can still enjoy the series now that I understand more of what’s happening. P.S. Gotta say Yami was my favorite.
Ok, I'm an old and I remember when casual nudity was just part of anime, even broadcast anime. Urusai Yatsura had Lum losing her top in the finale of the first episode and big shows like Macross and even Space Battle Ship Yamato had nudity. I think etchi anime evolved out of the immense fan response to those scenes. The original Cream Lemon shows we're far more story and actual content than the later hentai episodes became. It was always just considered part of the anime culture. Fan service was literally that- serving the fans what they had requested. It has since devolved into echi just for the sake of echi tho, and I think you have to blame the Eiken OVAs for that. After Eiken, fan service became not just a genre, but a full on industry.
Yeah i'm surprised at how common nudity was back in the day. As a kid i grew up watching shows like Project A-ko, Blue Seed and only when i rewatched some of this stuff again as an adult i realized how much nudity was thrown in for not much reason. Also when i watched the original Gundam, one of the things that most stuck out to me is that they pretty much gave all the female cast a bath scene like they need to fill a quota or something. And they showed nipples in these shows back then too, no rays of light like we have nowadays.
Also have been watching since the 80's. Mid to late 90's saw an increase in ecchi anime. There also just more anime in general as more money was making that possible. It is just a thing. I find these kids complaining about it as a waste of time. We didn't get that option. If fan service works in the show, but makes someone annoyed GTFO. If the fan service makes the show weird or bad, then it does that and people won't like it. I can't sympathize with this subset of anime fans.
wat got me interested in psycho pass was their level of care handling a sexual assault scene. the main character expresses kindness to the victim, defends her with her life, and we're shown that the victim can eventually move past the tragedy that happened to her. psycho pass is an anime about rehabilitative justice instead of pure punishment
Yeah, Kill la Kill is one of my faves. It's just where they put fan service and you don't get irritated because it works and it's not randomly placed without context.
@@silverhawkscape2677 it’s not when you understand what Shounen is. It’s a genre defined by its target demographic, adolescent and teenage boys, and what does said demographic like… girls and action. They are going through puberty and being sexually attracted to their peers of the opposite sex (so adolescent and teenage girls, AKA minors) is completely normal and natural. Nothing sad about it. The sad part is where grown ppl no longer in that phase of their life are trapped mentally and forget themselves, leading to a situation where you have hordes of 20s and 30s year olds consuming a nonstop supply of what can be described as Soft Child P*** (some of it not so soft) and refuse to take their viewership elsewhere. There’s also something to be said about some of the creators of these shows too, but that’d need its own conversation. I think people just need to know when it’s time to accept their maturity and move on to another genre (not medium. Genre.). 18+ ppl watching Ecchi Shonen (or let me translate… Soft Child P***) is what’s weird.
A good Anime/series that does that well for the genre (teen boys which is the target demographic for shounen) is D.Gray Man. Underrated but still top tier gem.
I do not consider Mob Psycho 100 a shonen anime. You can only make that claim with the strictest and literal definition of the genre, and only then if you ignore all other demographics which would find the show appealing (Mob Psycho 100 is certainly not "targeted" at adolescent boys, even if they may enjoy it). Which I think we can safely conclude, given the context of your statements and the content of the video, is not the definition being used.
Connor wanted to be Light when he was 14? When I watched Death Note at the age of 14 I went from rooting for Light AND L to just wanting to see Light get defeated from the episode where he kills the agent's wife onward
" Making the mother of all omelettes here Jack. Can't fret over every egg" no rly Its honestly frightening and depressing how many people refuse to see the bigger picture.
Well I never thought about wanting to be Light (I thought other people did think so too), rather I found the subject very interesting. And what or who is in the right/ wrong. Light or L. Because Light's first actions seem to be super logical/ even good for society, but then you see the suppression and his ongoing corruption. Becoming a character with a god complex.
I've always treated this stuff like scrolling through pirating sites, you got stuff like zombie strippers and then you got stuff like the matrix where it's something you'd actually want to watch
"It's immature. It looks like you're making something meant for a 15 year old...". Well it's cuz they are. Teens are the target audience for most anime, especially shounen anime.
There isn't a set target age for anime most of the time. Shounen Anime more often than not goes to teen to mature and even then they're aiming for both in that case. There isn't a standard target age demographic
@@NexhiAlibias There is. It's called Shonen for a reason. It may take serious and mature subject matter but thier target audience is still young men hence the name.
As much as I hate Darling in the Franxx for it's final episodes, I do think the two person piloting was in theme with the idea of children growing up. At the start of the show, most of the pilots are literal children and didn't have sexual feelings towards their partners, but over time their viewpoints changed about each other and realized the romantic feelings.
The boys are getting harder to watch. They're too grown up, too sophisticated, too rational for discussions about anime. And unfortunately a lot of us no longer have any time to watch anime either
They are getting too stuck up more like, the general feel they radiated these days are like kind of condescending and haughty. I know they're familiar with the culture but it seems like they're using the Western mindset when assessing anime which is totally off-course since the demographic for most of those products are the Japanese people. But it's alright, I've long since accept that when those boys truly turn watching anime into a career they're bound to stray off the psyche of those who just want to watched for a good time and not being lectured about. P/s: my apology for the lengthy ranting.
I like how Fairy Tail was briefly mentioned as being in the same vein as 7DS but FT has recently gotten a more vocal fanbase that appreciates the show for it's good at and why people love it, myself included
Yeah, like i see the community and it's always amazing!? I recently just started interacting with the fairy tail community and they are really awesome and the anime is also good but not as serious as the other shonen anime, and i like fanservice to anime (most people i know like that) so i don't really see the problem, if others feel uncomfortable, i understand 👍
Fairy tail has that good vibe to it with good adventure, my biggest problem with that series though is how the fight scenes are won or how the fights are lost. There seems to be a literal formula where the fairy tail guild always has to be destroyed and the members defeated just for them to come back and defeat the enemy that defeated them. Then there is characters that are just not creative on how they use the magic, it even goes so far where characters dont use magic at all somehow, when I wanted to see magic and sh!t go brrr.
For example, natsu always rushes in with fire dragon iron fist and when opponent is stronger he always loses because of that, when he could start with fire dragon roar in the fight for that long distance damage. Then he comes back and wreck the enemy like they are nothing, like why couldn’t you just do that earlier?
Trigger did NOT make Darling in the FranXX, it is a Cloverworks anime. Trigger only worked on the first 10 or so episodes and thats mostly the action scenes, before dropping it. The Boys honestly really need to do their research.
trash taste? research? the whole premise of the show is that theyre just 3 dudes talking out of their ass for two hours,and usually, because of their characters, its entertaining. Problems start when they or the fanbase begin to think those takes have any value.
Go Nagai created like 10 different genres. He’s pretty diverse creator. He also adapted Dante’s Divine Comedy into a manga. Yes, that Dante from Medieval Times.
I started watching anime back in october 2019 and i have been consuming a lot of shows both old and new at the time and then i stopped watching old anime in around mid to late 2020, and then i started pacing with new anime releases in very early 2021, since early 2021 to now, the number of shows that i have been watching since then to now have been mostly the same, i pick ones just before a season starts then watch it. Also, about meliodas groping Elizabeth, he and her have been in an intimate relationship for over 3000 years but only meliodas remembers every single time Elizabeth gets revived, it might be a comedic affection that he has seen her die hundreds of times that he just blankly goes to grope her. but then again, it looks so random when it happens the first couple times.
No lie, I actually cried at the end of Darling in the Franxx when they set up the farm and had families. Sometimes shitty shows can still be cathartic.
I thought it mixed well with the overall story. It was sort of jarring to us to see sexual euphemisms in the first few episodes especially with how they pilot the franxx and connect the stamen and pistils but for the characters they had no framework to see this in a sexual way. Over the course of the story they learn more about information regarding sex and procreation that was withheld from them and in turn the humanity and hope that was kept from them and the reasons for this. I dunno, personally I liked the show and was interested to follow these characters as they navigate relationships in their world. In general, for me whether or not sexualization is gratuitous anime depends on the story itself. I think a lot of anime (specifically isekai) do throw it in just because and I think that’s lazy but I don’t think this is always the case. No hate though on anyone who is just sick of it. It could definitely be reined in and used more strategically.
Is it maybe a thing where these guys are all North American and are hypersensitive of anything sexual? The good seasons of game of thrones had also a lot of nudity and sex and stuff but I didn't see people say that having that makes it lesser of a show. I can take their opinions even less serious when I see that Ninja Batman figure... That movie was so ludicrous but in a bad way.
I will defend Kill La Kill to this day, it’s one of my favorite shows all time and it’s cause at a certain point the actual plot of the show overtakes the fanservice and you don’t even notice it anymore, the fights and music and Art/animation are so good.
Bro, I think looking for reviews is just the worst idea ever. Read a non spoiler synopsis, then watch it. Period. This attitude of "I need to be sure I'm gonna enjoy watching it" is just an obstacle to actually enjoying things, it's incredible he doesn't see it.
agreed. I dont understand why people cant just think for themselves from reading a synopsis and thinking "ok will I like this" while also looking at the genres. Between the genres and synopsis a person should be able to tell if they will enjoy it for the most part.
I agree for a while i was looking for reviews and stopped enjoying things, after a little while i stopped getting online and just watched or read what looked good to me and enjoyment started coming back
@@valenten89 Yeah man, although I complain about genres because genre contamination is just about one of the best things to ever happen for someone who enjoys all sorts of fiction, they still exist for a reason. If you like stories with military, you look for the military tag. If you like historical it's there. Sure, you're gonna like some tropes more than others *and that's what people look for in reviews* , but being pleasantly surprised every now and then is better than having 0.5 stress about finding the right anime or story. It piles up over time. For websites like novel updates you can even look for specific tropes but anime doesn't have that. I admit that I am negatively biased towards people who feel anxiety and need spoilers though. Just can't stand those people. The worst is when it looks interesting and then it's a loli anime, i definitely don't like that.
@@TwistedTZ Yep, I still read synopsis now but apparently that's unusual for anime fans. I just don't like being disappointed by what I watch if the synopsis seems cool. For example, I watched chrome shelled regios and it was so painful. Only the last episode was hype. It's rare for this to happen though. Subete GA F Ni Naru isn't the best thing I watched but if I stressed about the bizarre premise of mathematics and murder mystery I don't know if I would have watched it, but I do enjoy weird stuff so who knows. Same for stuff like kamisama no memochu, i couldn't tell you much about it. But it wasn't a bad time.
I think you meant Gunbuster. But it was pretty mild till the end where the pilot tears her suit open because she’s making the robot tear its chest open.
I mean. The plot and characters in anime can be really good. However random hand falling on chest in a serious moment and other similar situations really takes away from the story.
@@asdfgh9985 this is my main gripe Imagine if they did that in naruto or bleach right in the middle of a battle? It would be absurd, fan service has its place for dudes but the random bits where its inserted is ridiculous
no offense but is this a joke? Ive watched anime since i was 5 (and no its not all i do) And i havent been hit by fatigue yet, Tho i do drop shows pretty fast if they dont hit my interest and just try something else, Recently just watched Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, Spy x family, Jujutsu kaisen 0, and the latest Baki season on netflix, I think the fatigue comes from being a anime youtuber, You HAVE to watch certain shows because its expected, And if you dont finish it you cant really make a review. For us who just finds an anime and enjoys it when we have free time arent forced to sit through shows we would otherwise have skipped.
4:52 this reminded me, I watched this anime called Monochrome Factor ages ago. The anime was a supernatural/action show with a side of bl. I really liked it and went to read the manga but when I did, I saw that manga had 0 bl, none at all. When it was made into an anime, ig the production team just decided to make it a bl??? Maybe it was too bring more attention to it, who knows. So I guess anime teams do have options and have heavily altered stories, so maybe they was a possibility to make meliodas less gross
oh my god you just reminded me of my shirogane x akira shipping years 😭💀 my experience with monochrome factor was the same as yours-- i binged the anime and enjoyed the bl aspects and wanted to know how the whole thing ends to i went and read the manga and it was such a shock??? how different it was tonally??? the manga was almost tragic in how shirogane didn't actually see akira for akira but his dead black haired other half whose name i can't recalled atm... (also the shift in art style like holy shit the art of the manga is so good towards the end actually). like. the anime did get me to read the manga so the anime studio got smth right ig???? but yeah big rip to my shirogane x akira shipping middle school self fr
tbf i do think the manga had bl tones in the way shirogane was so obsessed with his black haired partner who got reincarnated as akira (or smth,, my memory is hazy). like. he didn't just think of him as his bro bestie that's for certain
Okay so I took Darling in the franxx seriously as the series went on BUT when I first saw how they pilot the mechs, I couldn't help but bust out laughing and ask why
Like the entire show, that position for piloting the mechs, in and of itself, is an allegory with deeper meaning. Which is pointed out in the show, by the characters, immediately when that scene takes place. It has been a few years since I watched Darling in a Franxx, but I certainly understood at least that much from that scene. Furthermore, there are even personal dilemmas, conflicts and struggles that characters face because of that very position. I felt it was all rather obvious it was a plot device to make a point by the authors/writers.
Darling in the Franxx didn't even do perv-mecha first. Aquarion has very blatantly climaxing pilots as the mecha merged, and Kenzen Robo Daimidaler makes fun of perv-mecha by being powered by 'Hi-ERo particles' and parodying mecha as a whole.
0:55 They really said Diebuster instead of Gunbuster. So much for being 'anime veterans' Diebuster wasn't directed by Anno, it was by FLCL's director Kazuya Tsurumaki
I used to have this conversation at art school with the disney animation kids trying to convince them to try anime. The easy answer is "different cultures," but Takashi Murakami wrote a book called "little boy" that goes over the history of post war Japanese art. Everything from Anime, figures, contemporary art, manga, video games etc.. from the 1940s to now. The biggest thing I noticed when I really got into Japanese art history was their outlook on art & "fiction" is very different from the west. A homogenous culture with 99% natural black hair & brown eyes but anime characters are anything but. Fiction is fiction & doesn't in anyway correspond with real life. We can empathize with characters while still understanding they aren't real nor are they a representation of something in the real world. It's just Art. Japanese media doesn't have power over how real people think. It's interesting looking into the west & mainly Americas history with television & marketing. With the rise of television it became easier to sell products to people but in order to do that they need to believe what they see on a screen. Want clear skin, here's a model with perfect skin who was sponsored to tell you how you can too. Coca cola & Disney put billions into marketing & honestly are the founders of modern advertising. This bleeds into Art. Fiction should feel more "real" & "real" should feel like our "fiction."(that we made & are now selling - disney (probably) Lara croft was redesigned to look more "normal/contemporary"(im definitely not against the change) the last of us deliberately gave characters unattractive features to show diversity & not every one is a model/actor (shown in concept art for the game compared to production art). Theres nothing wrong with any of this but its the difference in cultures when the west tries to make art more like reality. Our conflicts & ideals in reality get blended with art. In alot of ways this enhances a film, book, a game, more immersion, but in others our issues in reality are in art too. People chant for art to fix real life problems. I think the side effect is sometimes we look at anime this way. Sex is always touchy & narrow minded in western culture, but in others it's normal, it's not always a marketing tool to get eyes, it's another element of style in a project, or it's all of these at once. Ive always seen 'Sexualization" in anime as another element of style. Like how super hero movies never mention property damage & civilians killed, how every actor is technically a model but no one seems attracted to any one out side of a disney fairy tale way, I could go on but Art embellishes elements in order to heighten others. Sex is one of those elements. Anime exaggerates it, turns it into stylized visuals, & gets some people aroused. its just another element that makes up Japanese art & not necessarily real people. if something makes you uncomfortable or breaks immersion in someone else's art its cool, it may not have been for you & neither side should judge the other. Is Keanu reeves killing a man with a pencil necessary..no but its cool af. Is fan service in fire force necessary..nah but its a visual trope that isn't always deep. I think kill la kill its just a parody on fan service by giving "plot" actual plot & purpose. I'm open to being 100% wrong & would love to hear any other thoughts. I miss these conversations when the whole school is filled with other artist. TL;DR Sexualization is a western problem & sex in media is touchy but anime doesn't come from that school of thought & god fathers like gianax & trigger use sex as another form of style. Just like how john wick uses violence, superheroes uses morals to justify saving people & grand superpowers, sex is normal & can be exaggerated, emphasized, & if it turns you on thats a bonus 😂if it makes you uncomfortable or breaks believability try a different show, it all good. Yoko Taro said the reason he designed 2B in Nier the way she is is because "I Just Really Like Girls." & thats all the reasoning an artist ever needs to give.
I think the biggest two problems with that sort of thinking tho is: 1) You get silly excuses like Hideo Kojima swearing that Quiet totally had a serious and dramatic reason for her fetishistic design. If he went the Yoko Taro ie honesty route he wouldn't have been as laughed at by critics and fans. 2)"You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, “Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.” If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it. Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!" -Hayao "Anime was a mistake" Miyazaki
Art in general can influence how people behave and view the world though. A good and grim example is how Jaws changed how the west views sharks, making them out to be bloodthirsty monsters. This has impaired conservation for sharks in the wild and has endangered them greatly.
@@fluidthought42 but that’s what i mean, why is Quiet’s design considered ridiculous or sexualized. More so than snakes robotic arm, or him abducting people with a balloon, or a virus that kills people who speak certain languages 😂it’s all exaggerated & stylized but sexual themes get more criticism weather it is creative or not. Personally i think. 2Bs design is style but Quiets a bit…boring. I’d love to see a cool adaptive suit or something like MGS4 that has like gills or something so her skin can breathe. That’d be more creative than a bikini but Yoji Shinkawa tends to design one character with some sort of appeal. 90s action movies would do that too. Is it bad design? Arguably, but i try to be open & see the style behind it rather than it’s just being horny on main.
@@TANKYU It's pretty hard to argue that Quiet's design isn't sexualized, she's a half naked woman in a bikini top and short shorts with ripped nylon stockings in a semi-realistic battlefield. You can argue its stylistic, but to deny the fanservice element in that style is an exercise in denying the obvious.
I’ve looped around on ecchi. Loved it when I was 14, hated it when I was 17 (I went through an elitist phase and thought “I’m an adult now, I want to watch mature anime” lmao) and now in my 20s I’ve returned to ecchi and am loving it again. I’m going back and watching/reading the ecchi I missed out on, as well as re-visiting ones I liked and it’s weirdly nostalgic and entertaining. Tsugumomo, To love-ru, Okusan, etc, this is the stuff I’m reading now. Anime with deep and serious plots are cool and all, but sometimes its nice to just escape from seriousness and just get horned up lol.
This so much, buncha people on this comment section playing the elitist part tho "Oh it ruined X anime for me", "it takes me out of the story" like how little attention you must have to be that distracted by a 0.2 seconds panty shot
@@4idenn It's about fitting in with the tone and setting of the series. If you're gunna do a horney show, go for it, more power too you. The thing is, when you insert random fanservice into serious and dramatic shows for no reason you get tonal whiplash and it takes you out of the story. That's not to say that serious shows can't have moments like that in it, but it needs to make context in the world they are presenting. For example, even Highschool DxD (or at least the first couple seasons) work well as a serious show because one of the main characters is a literal succubus and the world built around that makes it all work logically in context. So, you can have the serious scenes that aren't undercut by the sexualization, because that is a relevant part of the story. However, when you toss it into something like Fire Force where it's just LoL this character pratfalls into panty shots for no reason, the tone doesn't mesh with that of the rest of the series and it just comes off awkward when you have the majority of a scene dedicated to this out of place recurring gag that often steps on the toes of the dramatic moments going on when they happen.
@@4idenn I actually agree with you! Elitists and the hyper horny-types are 2 sides of the same coin: one acts ashamed of even the most harmless TNA (sometimes it isnt meant to be taken sexual), the others are a bunch of assholes with little to no self-control at all and can't help but get off to something then accuse even the slightest amount of skin showing as oversexualized. If that isn't immaturity then Idk what is.
@@immortalgamer3960 I got you the perfect solution: stop watching shounen. You know how Psycho-Pass doesn't have any fan service? It's a seinen. If you don't like the content you consume then don't consume it. I personally don't watch shounen because I couldn't care less about fighting in anime, but by now the fan service is a staple on shounen anime, so you'll have a better time just embracing it or watching other stuff. Every rose has its thorn at the end of the day.
When they were talking about just switching to porn instead of liking perverted stuff in anime, Spartacus and Game of Thrones we're some of the most popular shows in the U.S. and there was a lot of perverted shit. It's not just anime.
As a 24 year old I still feel like the inner 15 year old inside me is still alive. So much so I could never say fanservice (or sexualization) could ever ruin something like anime or games for me. The idea of "I love this show, but the tits RUINED the show for me" sound so fucking stupid, there are many things that ruin a show but tits? Nah
ig the "anime is for kids" notion made people consuming anime content want more adult stuff in general in a competitive sort of way, which inturn boosted the market for ecchi,harem,gore and the likes... but it also helped the surge of psychological stuff too, so it's kind of a win win
For such a popular show about anime I'm impressed with how terrible the media analysis is. Where's the meat bois? In the last 10-15 years, anime has really become hard to watch because you don't know if you're watching an ad for a manga or if you are seeing something that will actually be followed through with. Who wants to start watching a series only for it to be thrown away after one season. This certainly used to happen as well, but it has really been cracked up to eleven in more recent years.
agreed, part of the problem is over-saturation and chasing the most recent breakout lightnovel or manga and dropping last years big hits when they drop viewership even slightly
I think you guys just became boomers, and i'm more older than you guys. anime has alot of types, so you just watch what you want and there is public for all of it. i just dont think you guys undestand the industry, i think you guys just want to be smart and mature to enjoy shows that and smart and all but lets be honest this shows dont pull people like high school dxd... it is just facts. i dont like when people say that some show suck or something, it is just not for you my guy. just dont watch it... sometimes it sounds like you guys dont watch anime at all, it is just elitism.
As we're getting old, our interests shift to something else. When I was a teenager, I've never understood why my parents were so invested in stock markets. And here I am in late twenties, also following the same path...who've ever thought that learning/investing on stock markets are more interesting than watching anime?! There is nothing wrong with watching anime. It just that life happens.
Connor is totally right. The fanservice in Fire Force is absurd. Great show, and one of my favorites. But even I can admit, Tamaki did nothing for the story. It got to be a bit cliche by the end.
Literally the one thing keeping me from recommending it to others. I hate when authors stuck in 2005 still put it everywhere for comedic effect. If it's not going to be done right and in a way that's important to the plot, don't do it at all. Half-assed fan service is just lazy clickbait.
Reading these comments made me think that they should do a episode where they have an existential crisis about how old and not up to date they are. I'm younger than them and even I feel old and out of touch.
I mean Garnt at least gives most shows 1-3 episodes but thats not enough in a lot of cases. Joey doesnt really watch anime anymore unless its obscenely popular. Connor im not to sure about tbh. I was actually shocked that all 3 of them watched and enjoyed mushoku tensei. I figured Garnt would like it because its one of the best if not the best iskeai written in the past decade. Connor and Joey I figured wouldnt enjoy it because of Rudy and his shenanigans. To this day I still dont understand the "mental age" thing that people complain about with the series. The only thing I can think of is people who complain about it expect a self insert MC and Rudy aint that at all. Which is one of the things I like about Mushoku Tensei they are all their own characters and for the most part realistic people. All have flaws and all have struggles they go through and the viewers get to see it and see them grow over the course of the whole series as well as the first full season of the anime
I mean there are a lot of shows that has minimal fan service but only the shows with fan service get the eye balls so I guess it’s more of the consumer’s fault and I’m just guessing here, for UA-camrs, y’all gotta watch the popular ones which typically will have the waifus and fan service. Also I think only Gigguk watches seasonal anime nowadays so id think others’ opinions would be skewed towards what they here about animes online. And most of the things that blows up online are the really good animation ones or the one with fan service. An example, we had some good shows this past season but the only videos/clips I keep getting recommended is about the slave harem one. Also don’t watch anything with ecchi tag if you don’t want ecchi😂
If you go back a couple of decades, ecchi was there, just accepted with the show. If you're getting those recommendations, I think you've been searching too much of the H, and not the A.
@@RionAgrias maybe it remembers my previous searches from years ago but idk, I buy a new phone yearly so don’t make sense. I don’t even got time to watch H no more. I used to watch a bit back when I got laid off cause of covid but I’ve been an engineer for the past 2 years now and you know how much time consuming corporate jobs are🤦🏽♂️ Past three months, I just been out here tryna watch one episode of one piece a night until I catch up. I’m sitting at around ep 360… pacing is kinda draggin rn😅 does it get better? also some other seasonal during break time/lunches🤦🏽♂️
@@RionAgrias also yeah I’ve watched lots of older animes and ecchi sometimes is part of the jokes. Some tropes still lives on today as well, especially the one with walking into someone changing and MC getting slapped🤦🏽♂️😂
Eh anime has always been like this it's just the boomer logic of back in my day it was better that causes a lot of older fans to think differently. Or to be more polite maybe you just matured and can see things differently. Either way there does seem to be a bit of hypocrisy. Like complaining about Meliodas groping his wife while praising stuff like Monogatari when the main character gropes a child. It's the same reason you see old fans shit on the new school of shounen while sucking off the big three.
Yeah I kinda agree it’s really just boomer brain here because anime’s quality always been the same, we are just getting more of it today so it seems like there’s less good shows
Facts are we really gunna forget about all the terrible ovas back in the 80s and 90s that was nothing but fan service and gore? Golden Boy? They literally quoting diebuster which was a 90s show that was filled with it lmao Joey also states how he's a man of culture and how kiss sis is one of his favorite shows he's seriously ALL OVER the place
Bro the shounen thing actually pisses me off. Not that I think any new gen shounen(except jjk and csm) are really that great, but you are smoking weed if you think bleach is any good either. Naruto is decent at best, but one piece tops any day every day
Started watching Darling in the Franxx BECAUSE I thought that Mecha engagement stuff was funny. A little while later, getting attached to the characters and the ending got me rolling tears. Little did I know I would seemingly turn out to be one of the only individuals to appreciate the ending and the anime itself as a story being told.
It was my 2nd anime (I just watched stuff with an AMV for a song I liked). At 1st I just cringed all the way through but I was committed. Then I got super invested in the characters so I was able to ignore it. Then it went balls to the walls out of nowhere with no foreshadowing, but it was watchable and if you took it separately, the ending was pretty solid and the epilogue bit was well done.
The genius thing about fanservice is that it alienates the right kind of people, boobs and ass are just an eye candy for the viewer and at the same time keeps anime in general away from the mainstream attention, which consistently deteriorates a medium overtime. That's Japanese creators way of saying "no, manga and anime shouldn't be for everyone and that's ok" without coming up and saying it out loud and get flak for it.
@@hassathunter2464 Well I don't really know who falls under the category of "actual westerners", my guess would be that older people and/ or people with a more conservative behaviour/ strict moral views are more likely to dislike it (as well as probably feminists?) soo maybe we shouldn't generalize and assume it's only the high-headed critics/ entertainment. + yeah "actual westerners" is a pretty vague word. Maybe "actually a lot more westerners than previously like it" would be more fitting.
@@ewoma8234 agreed, but not just incels. Anybody who has enough confidence in themselves to admit they like what they like, i mean normies live a life of societal restraint and lash out easily at geeks when they enjoy sth. But I say, go ahead and enjoy what you want.
Maybe I should try Psycho-Pass again? I loved it at first, because the premise is so solid. When I watched it a second time with my brother (maybe a year later) it felt insanely slow. It's a fascinating idea but the storytelling and pacing aren't exactly elegant. I've never even attempted to watch S2 or S3.
I binged watched all of JOJO for the very first time this summer, and I had a really good experience. Here’s my overview; Part 1 - A simple start with an awesome OP Part 2 - JOSEPH JOESTAR IS MY FAVORITE JOJO OF ALL TIME!!! Part 3 and 4 - The true meaning of “Maybe the real treasure were the friends we made along the way”. Part 5 - Bruno Buccellati is the real star of the show Part 6 - Simpin’ on 🎶Jolyene, Jolyene, Jolyene, Jolyeeeeeene🎶
I can’t watch most modern anime because of all of the unnecessary sexualization and fan service. I’m more than fine with romance and sex when it’s written correctly, but anime is just “I grope woman” or “woman is NAKED????” Like, I get it makes it easy to retain a fan base and sell merch, but it just absolutely ruins the watching experience for me.
Gotta say, a year or so after I started to really get into anime, I found out about the "3 episode" rule. I still follow that rule, if an anime can't keep my interest after 3 episodes, there is a good chance that I'm going to drop it.
@@blkxbr yeah generally romcom/rom dramas are related to "slow burn" shows,op might miss out on some of these(that's if op is interested in those genres)
Congrats you proved what people have said for years you are just clout chasing trend chasing hobby tourist we are mature no your not anyone who has to explain why there mature is not mature your 14 year olds playing at adult
I’m 16 and find it really annoying when some shows have ecchi things in it, I don’t have anything against it in general but sometimes it’s just unnecessary for the show. And I really hate it when I buy some show on dvd or watch it with my parents and then there’s such a random ecchi scene…..
'separation of church and state' almost sums up my view on it, when it comes to keeping ecchi for the sake of ecchi away from seriousness. Serious shows don't need ecchi/sexualization. Keep the ecchi in it's lane, and the serious stuff separate, and things will be more enjoyable in general, because you don't have to deal with tone whiplash or awkwardness. I don't want, let alone need a shot of someone's cleavage bouncing in the crowd in the middle of a fight scene or drama/tension moment. It just takes you out of it. Now, doing that same shot of one of the fighter's cleavage bouncing mid dodge, or having one of the characters in the drama/tension trying to use their assets to defuse (or escalate) the situation (or even just making motions that would naturally result in some movement, like stamping their feet harshly or waving their arms), that works fine. You have to work it in as part of the scene, not just slap a panty shot over the screen and call it good.
@@Degeneraristocracy6079 True. Don't get me wrong I ain't saying that an author is free from criticism. Fire Force for example is just a shounen battle manga, so the random ecchi is understandably criticized. However To Love Ru and High School DxD are literally ecchi, so criticizing the fan service is pointless.
Wasn't the big twist for deadly sins, im ok with spoiling it cause people claim its a flaw, actually tragic...like the dude has seen his wife pass on so many times, and intimacy for him is lost, he only cares about her and never does that stuff to anyone else and also the show showed that he is devoid of most emotions till he met her as in humanity or humans help demons remember their softer side etc. Tons more but i agree, in our society atleast puritan breed, its very taboo to do sexual things vs violence...so they should have kept it out to appeal...but those who like it don't mind and stayed long enough to learn why it was done, so i hate when people lable those fans pervs...cause they "read long enough to understand the story???" before judging.
7:54 Bro Connor I watched that shit when I was 15 and was highly impressed by everyone's IQ in the show and only found Mellow and near annoying because they were absurdly gifted while light and L had to do their fare share of work to get to know each other. So in these type of shows age doesn't matter, your taste does!
Death note is like criminal minds. It seems smart until you think about it after, and you realize how actually illogical and stupid the show is.(psychology is pretty spot on in criminal minds though) It's one of those shows where you don't try to use your brain too much .
OK with Franxx the first like 6 or 7 episodes is one long innuendo. BUT if you pay close attention like real critics, you will notice that goes away fast. They start to peel away the layers of the story and dive into everything. You are literally saying don't take a story seriously because if the first 1/4 of it. If you watch it again you will only think of 1/3 of it and then realize...holy crap I forgot about almost ALL of the deep story and world! I hate how anime "fans" and "critics" (not ever single person but so many public voices) have one, or a handful of, stupid formula(s) in their heads and if an anime doesn't fit one of them, the anime is stupid or shouldn't be taken seriously. It comes from people in a bubble not understanding real story telling. There are silly things in Franxx yes, even things taken from Evangelion, but the makers are honest about it and that doesn't mean it us amazing story, character, or quality wise.
Really wanting to watch Dress up Darling because cosplay is super super awesome and so many people put their blood sweat and tears into it - but all I get is people telling me to not watch it because it just seems to be fan service that features underage characters which I just find extremely uncomfortable now as someone in their early 20's. When I was a teen I didn't mind because I was the same age, but its just...uncomfortable as all hell to watch now.
Yeah s1 seemed abit too much..if u can get past that then I can guarantee you s2 will tone it down alot and focus more on slice of life(coming from reading the manga)
Yeah I went on because I thought it was one of those “hobby anime” but dropped it because it’s a ecchi romcom featuring some cosplay tips sometimes. My feeling was that cosplay in this was a mean to get to ecchi scenes rather than a subject to explore
Wait a few years and hopefully you'll enjoy it again, once you stop thinking of characters as real people Cause let's be honest, if you took Marin and changed absolutely nothing about her appearance but just said she was 20 and replaced the school uniform for an office outfit most of y'all would have no problem with it, proving it's not that you don't find the character attractive but you're too engrossed in a fictional character's "age"
Lmao nah ? I literally just said I dropped it because it wasn’t about cosplay like I though it would. I have no use for yet another romcom where the main duo will dance around each other for a decade, there’s better one out there
@@4idenn I mean, no, I will feel even more uncomfortable at the thought of these 16/17 year olds being treated like 20 year olds. Yes they're not real people but it's no different if a 25 year old plays a 16 year old - that character is still a minor and the story is still portraying an underage individual in a mature light. Just because it's animated doesn't take away that creep factor. Also I agree with the other commenter that the show doesn't seem to show much in terms of cosplay, only to really use the sexual side of cosplay to amp up the echie nature of the show - which is annoying because cosplay isn't just sexual, a lot of people cosplay for something other than the sexual side and it's only really a minor few in the overall fanbases that use it in that nature
I dont think anime has gotten more riske especially when you compare 80's and 90's anime to modern one where they flat out showed nipples Heck if anything anime is slowly going back to that era and getting less tamed compared to the 20th century
1:38 joey is so fake he just copies the crowd and environment he’s in … what do you mean you don’t enjoy stuff like that YOU FAVOURITE ANIME IS MONOGATARI
My opinion on it is the fact that I feel like there’s less and less fan-service by the year it’s just being separated into different genres like if you wanna go look for fan service and hentai there’s a place for it. It’s just not everywhere now I see less of it every season I don’t actually see more of it. and I’m glad. I don’t know what you guys are watching🤷♂️
If you mean the TT crew, only Garnt watches anime anymore. The rest just peaced out ages ago. Some people joke Joey is the “Manga Man” now, but I dare say not even that anymore since it has been ages since he has actually reviewed manga at all.
@@sinew1000 a silent voice is modern anime wich auromatically makes your statement objectively wrong. The problem with modern MEDIA has is the saturation. With increase of demand increases the quantity of production wich leads to an increase on the volume of uninspired products but that doesnt necesarely the lack or decrease of good products. People that only focuss on triple A say that video games suck now, then remember that dark souls, witcher, hollow knight, doom 2016, brotherw a tale of two sons, Bastion, Pyre, Undertale, FF XIV, Breath of thr Wild and many other great games have come in the last decade. Think about the last film that resonated with you, then think about how many uninspired blockbusters were realesed in the middle Between the volume of production and the lack of information, it was easy to find gems since anything that wasnt up to standard was quickly forgotten and often that meant the west would never even see it.
I love that the default anime to shit on for echii is 7 deadly sins because meleodis gropes his wife of 3000 years..... It does come off as werid in sesson 1 but does make a lot of sense by the end (and at no point does he ever grope another character only his wife)
The issue with the Meliodas hate is they act like that's all his character is when Connor and Joey didn't even watch or read it and base their thoughts on what Garnt said and Garnt only remembers the first time he watched episode 1 nearly fucking 10 years ago. If they actually gave it a chance, even just the manga and got past the few times meliodas gropes her in the first arc, they'd see its not even that bad. I love the boys but they have some takes that just don't reasonably stand up anymore.
@@WeebSenpai2431 I think their takes dont stand up anymore because they dont really give animes a solid go. They think of it as more of a hassle than just going into it and immersing themselves in it. I get that at one point the watched it as their main job so it burnt them out but they should honestly reset their mindset about it and actually try watching shows with an open mind and stop thinking about the show too much while watching and then after the episode is over think about what they watched. Its what I do and Ive been watching anime for just about as long if not longer than them and still enjoy it.
I think the best way to describe Psycho-pass is that it's about law enforcement in an Orwellian society, having read 1984 much later on I was surprised just how much of an example of such a world within our modern trajectory the show paints, and does it better than any other media I remember watching Also, in Death Note Light is essentially the villain and only became so because he got some powers and has a massive ego so the criticisms about him are kinda the point of his character I guess, would be useful to mention that if someone didn't get past a few episodes of the show
Garnt trying to blend in with the awkward smile hoping no one brings up domestic girlfriend
but domestic gf is not as ecchi?
@@andr0zzsenpai brother idk if you have seen the uncensored version of that but like theres full on n*dity
@@andr0zzsenpai are you high ? The definition of ecchi is "As an adjective, it is used with the meaning of "sexy", "dirty" or "naughty"; as a verb, ecchi suru (エッチする or Ｈする) means "to have sex", and as a noun, it is used to describe someone of lascivious behavior."
Now considering DG is virtually a hentai in parts it's a pretty hard sell to say it's not.
@@andr0zzsenpai because the anime is heavily censored compared to the manga
Yeah, fr he is trying so hard😆
"Light was a toxic person."
Well, considering he's THE VILLAIN of the story, I should think so.
Lmao yea its like saying the protagonists from Interspecies Reviewers objectify women. They literally pay prostitutes and rate them on a scale from 1-10. Yes water is wet. Still great animes.
“Light was a toxic person”
Yep, that’s actually one of the main reasons why I like him 😅
I thought him being “toxic” was the whole point. Death Note wouldn’t be fun if he was a goodie two shoes.
These guys are stupid, I'm sorry 😞
Yeah Light was never written to be the "good guy". It was a story about letting power and control get to his head even if he felt they were for the greater good.
I feel like people have rose-tinted glasses when it comes to 80's and 90's anime. As if everything was Cowboy Bebop then ecchi came in and ruined everything. The first anime I watched was Legend of the Overfiend. Once anime got out of being stigmatized as "for kids" it became extremely hyper violent and sexual.
80's-90's anime women were getting raped by tentacle monsters then blow up into red paste. Shit has actually really toned down over the years.
Were they even alive back in the 80’s? Garnt is the oldest and I don’t think he is that above 30. It feels like they know about anything before late 90’s anime through second hand knowledge rather than actually seeing it. Which I guess is fine, not everyone will hunt for old rare shows like I myself did, but that also leads to very sun informed opinions about the state of current anime.
Fanservice and sexualization has existed in the medium for several decades, way before the 2000’s. The only new wave, technically, was the whole isekai boom, and even that is just a return to old anime tropes (Has everyone forgotten Magic Knight Rayeart and Inuyasha?). Even the recently popular Lyciris Recoil is basically a Japanese-stylized Gunslinger Girls(since that one featured European girls).
@@lenleon3699 I wasn't old enough to experience the 80's. But I was around when 80's VHS anime tapes trickled down into hole in the wall VHS shops in NYC during the mid to late 90's. This is around the time where my cousin (much older than me) would rent Legend of the Overfiend, Akira, Ninja Scroll, Faces of Death- niche media att. This is when people would try to find snuff films and stumble upon Kite, Apocalypse Zero, Wicked City, and Violence Jack.
I know there probably familiar with these especially Joey. I was more so talking about zoomers and normies that see something like MHA and think lewding high schoolers is a crime against humanity. Or people who have a really selective memory when it comes to 90's stuff. Because trust me, there's way crazier shit back in the day.
@@Anonymous-x1x Joey claims he is, yet he suddenly comes out with the most zoomer opinions in existence. Or he suddenly goes on his elitist rose-tinted soap box. Can’t ever take his takes too seriously. But yes, the amount of graphic material they packed into shows back in the heyday of OVA’s was just insane.
I was about to say. Besides the few like harem labrynth isekai and redo of healer, i have not seen something as grossly sexual as kiss x sis or to love ru in a very long time. Early 2000s was worse than 2010s by far. Look at soul eater, or naruto. I havent seen an anime lately that has been so unnecessarily sexual ive been like "damn, i legit dont want to watch this." Last one was fire force, but knowing the author and soul eater, that might just be the authors style
@@dogdicer1153 that is just his style yes. He will always add some plot or story relevant excuse to add some ecchi scenes. Plus, both series are confirmed by the author to be related (as in Fire Force is a prequel and explains some of the lore of Soul Eater). So making both series be similar in feel makes sense even if it is not to the liking of some.
"Separation of church and state" absolute gold right here, connor has the best underrated jokes lmaoo
Gojo's joke from JJK?
@@jatinchanchlani8982 yeah
No one acknowledged it so sad
Voltaire
@@LuisFernandez-jp8wt time stamp? Please?
Love to hear people recommending Psycho-pass, it's legitimately one of the best shows in the last decade. Wait... season 1 aired a decade ago wtf
First season was pretty good . Second was meh.
the first season arguably has one of the best villains of the media. I´d put Makishima on the same spot as Griffith and Johann Liebert
@@gggallin8279 100%!
I think about that show years after having watched it. That's when you know it's a good anime
@@gggallin8279 fr, he is an awesome villain and psycho-pass definitely deserves more recognition
Everyone totally misunderstands Kill la Kill. Ryuko was only ever sexualised by the animators when she was embarrassed by her own body. Once she gets over it in episode 3, she's never sexualised again.
False! I sexualized her every episode!
It kinda ties into the themes of the show about being comfortable in your own skin
Yall wanna explain the rape scene then???
Same with misunderstanding Darling in the Franxx. The point was the world embraced giving up sexuality and emotions for immortality, and the show is learning these emotions in a world devoid of them. From sexuality, love, heartbreak, weight issues and more, ON TOP OF a significant environmentalist message, the show is amazing on all levels. My only disappointment with Trigger is that their Star Wars Vision episodes should have been longer and more fleshed out lol. Alas.
This is just straight up not true lmao. Like just a complete lie. There's a shit ton of fanservice in KLK and most of it involves Ryuko just by virtue of her being the main character. I like KLK and the creators were clearly very self-aware about what they were doing, but it still had a TON of sexualization which not everyone will vibe with.
Why does everyone seem to have a selective memory of past anime? The OVA boom of the 80s was defined by excessive T&A and violence, and really, there's always been an eb and flow when it comes to authors (even in mainstream anime works) including fanservice in their works. It isn't anything new to the medium, it's just more convenient to watch more anime/read manga, hence why you see more of it in the market than you would have before.
Studios like Gainax through the late 80s and 90s definitely helped to make it more normalized in TV works though.
That's because those OVA where rare to get in the West in the first place, so fewer people had watch them. Most folks grow up watching mainstream shows like DragonBall and Pokémon.
Yeah it's been around for a while. Cutie Honey, one of the OG magical girl shows was Shonen. It had all sorts of fan service because of that.
Cause western anime watcher are definition of filthy casuals
Because you’re not going to remember the bad stiff
just compare OG Dragonball to DBZ and the whole thing falls apart
The term the boys are looking for is "Gainaxing." There's a TV Tropes for it. Not to be confused with "Gainax Ending" which is a completely different thing.
What's the Gainax ending? Bittersweet?
Gainax endings are completely WTF endings. Like completely out of nowhere WTF endings that are like completely out of nowhere twists.
@@bernieburton6520 I've only watched gurren laggen but I guess that applies
@@bernieburton6520 so like domestic girlfriend ending?
@@Sejikan Gainax ending is something that makes your head spin around and hurt
Like they appear to be completely out of the blue and sometimes you start to wonder what the hell have I been watching
They have some of the best animated shows but they are infamous for their endings to their show
Lets remember that Joey loves Monogatari.
I really like monogatari but im also not getting into a high horse to bash Melodias while pretending that Araragi doesnt do the shit he does wich is played as comic relief.
Yeah tbh, from Connor I can kinda see it as he's always had these kind of opinions, but both Joey and Garnt came off a bit hypocritical imho
Does Araragi get away with it tho? Cause I know Meliodas does whatever he wants and nobody there cares
@@viniciusnishiyama704 yes he does
@@viniciusnishiyama704 pretty sure they messaged because they are older. Also Joey watches that shit in Japanese, which is often said to be just peak writing. Compared to 7 deadly sins writing... eh
@@viniciusnishiyama704 He absolutely does. There's zero repercussions for him being a legitimate creeper. I enjoy Monogatari too, but holy shit does it make me uncomfortable.
I mean, giant robots and tig ol bitties, is a very tempting combination for our monke brains.
Mecha is the love of men.
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@@kaiwardinofficial9686 But mecha anime tho
Would love to see a mech anime with women as the target audience
@@Oo1strawberry1oO Aldnoah Zero
I feel like this point would hit harder if there weren't literal ecchi figures in the background.
You can be cultured and Critique Culture.
There are plenty who want Hentai and there anime to be Separate. Not in one place.
@@silverhawkscape2677 Sex sells. Nevertheless, It can make it harder to watch an anime for those who are more into the actual plot or storyline.
@@AAhmou
This is kind of my main problem, I don't mind a series being a little horny, but anime more then most mediums frankly often isn't a little horny, it's ALLOT horny. To the point of being detrimental and distracting in stories that could quite often stand on their own and probably be better off with those elements either removed or toned down. This stuff is something you kind of just have to accept about the medium, but even I can't help but find myself sighing in melancholy resignation every time it shows up.
@@silverhawkscape2677 no only you
@@Tk3997 I agree with you there. For example, TenSura is a very interesting show but the fanservice drags the show a bit down for me. It's oftentimes weird and cringy too. I'd love to see it with a more serious atmosphere like the war arc in the show.
Maybe it's because I'm pretty selective of what I watch, but I don't run into a lot of ecchi stuff. There's more than enough other things to watch
same and im glad for that.
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Really? I need help then. Can you give me a list?
You might have actually skipped a lot of good shows . Yeah there are usual ecchi "get girls and that is it" shows which I don't like but there are some that have an actually good story.(even if their synopsis sounds like usual ecchi)
I think maturing comes into play here. The more content you watch, the more refined your taste and more specific it is. Shows these days just feel immature sometimes. Can't enjoy the random fan service because you're looking for something that matches your tastes
can agree to that, was watching stellar blade (project eve) in playstation state of play and i cringe pretty hard on that. i think that adulthood has made me want grounded stories rather than over the top ones.
Im an adult and I still want over the top!
I'm going through the same situation... I'm looking for a deep story... No fan service
For me it was the opposite.
When I was younger I thought shows like Kill la Kill and Rosario x Vampire were terrible because of the fanservice.
As an adult it's like, what kind of souless husk would use that as an excuse to not watch something?
It's just plain fun.
@@doggos3446 how did you reach that conclusion?
1:33 As soon as they started talking about unnecessary sexualisation, I IMMEDIATELY thought of Fire Force. What they kept doing with Tamaki straight up ruined the show for me.
felt that. banger opening and outro tho
This I definitely agree with, it just takes you out of the story, doesn't bring anything to it besides ha ha! Boobies! And now back to the actual plot of the story
@@ravenwhiteduck6460 and the worst thing it devalues her as a character because whenever there is tension or a moment that could have been titular to her character it goes back to boobies
Literally the reason why I dropped the manga was because of her it just got way too cringe for me. There would be a extremely tense moment then for no reason whatsoever boom tits for no reason right in the middle of a fight and it just pissed me off
Finally, there are people with brains that doesn't just defend fire force because the author panders to the anti-sjws. I'm an anti-sjw, but you also need to have standards, else people like the fire force mangaka abused it and paint your side to be the bad guys.
Like seriously, Tamaki is the perfect proof for sjws that the sexualization of woman just for the sake of being sexual object happens. Compare this to other examples of sexualized woman that sjws tend to used where you can say that those women aren't just sexual objects but actual character.
Lara Croft sexy? Yeah but she's a capable adventurer. Samus Aran sexy? She's a top bunter hunter. Erza Scarlet often get sexualized? She's a one of the strongest fighters in her world.
Meanwhile Tamaki ACHIEVE NOTHING without her sex. She went through training and you figured she would beat people with the training right? NOPE. Oh and what's worse she reduced what would be a cool POC character, the assassin Assault into a fool.
Man, I say, if you want to destroy the anti-sjws, then just do like the fire force mangaka. Create sexualized females that achieve nothing and claim that you do it because you are fighting against the prude sjws.
At least we got Iron Widow out of Darling in the Franxx
Background: Xiran Jay Xhao (a UA-camr) hated the second half of the show so much that it inspired her to write a novel. It ended up becoming extremely successful & even got on the New York Times bestseller list in 2021. It was pitched as Pacific Rim meets the Handmaid’s Tale and it lives up to that. Highly recommend
Iron Widow is trite YA trash that's poorly written, propped up by being 'queer' and 'feminist' when it's really not. I don't know how you can recommend this garbage.
Edit: That's not to say Darling is better, it has it's own issues but to say Iron Widow was a 'good thing' to come out of it is asinine.
It's even getting a film adaptation by the sounds of it as well.
Spite is a great motivator. I had no idea about this, I wanna read it!
new york times best seller
do you know how little that narrows it down? 💀
I think it depends on the tone of the anime, like if a anime is supposed to be serious and have a gritty tone then it doesn't make sense to add random ecchi scenes to it whereas in a comedy or slice of life or just a anime with a more light heated comedic tone is where fanservice and ecchi shines the most. Or hell, you can add ecchi/fanservice scenes to a serious anime, just place those scenes in the comedic funny moments of the show.
Why though? Why not just have the comedy. When I see a sitcom, the last thing I think is "yeah this needed squealing big booba teenagers, then it would be better". It literally does nothing for the comedy, it just isn't as invasive.
@@shadez123 Ong, I can't ever watch an anime with a family members because of how unpredictable and random the echii scenes are as where watching a movie together would be a lot better because it might only have a kiss scene at the end lol
And yet they are complaining about shows were the fanservice was part of the package. It is like whining about harems having too much fanservice.
@@lenleon3699 Nah they are just saying those just flat out suck.
Ecchi is just an annoying genre of anime
It depends how Ecchi is done like if it happened randomly in AOT or some shit I would be like "wtf is this" but if I know I'm watching an anime that is designed to have ecchi then I welcome it with open arms like Interspecies Reviewers or Prison School etc😎
Hell yeah
Yessirrr
good stuff
thats one of the reasons why
i love AOT, absolute zero fan service
Oddly enough, Interspecies Reviewers is a case where they did Add in more perversion. That's why it stopped being distributed. They read the manga and went "yeah, this is pushing it, but we'll allow it." Then it started airing and then they went "WAIT, WHAT THE FUCK! THAT WASN'T IN THE MANGA! CUT IT CUT IT!!!"
Oh no, not the boys finding new and exciting ways to fail the "Watch literally any non-shounen anime" challenge
Are they really going to complain about sexualization in anime with a bunny girl figure sitting behind them??
Men of Culture
They aren’t complaining about sexualization in anime….they’re complaining about unnecessary/unwarranted/pointless sexualization in anime…either you’re 12 and trying to be a smart ass….or you’re not very bright because the difference is as clear as night and day
They even said as much in the video….do better
You can be cultured and critique culture.
@@pinkstarburst99 naw this is straight pandering.
are you really going to complain about complaining?
I love you guys but you are absolutely the worst people to be criticizing this trend
Can I call anime and fan service shit.
To be fair, the major consumers of manga magazines in Japan are 14~17 year old middle~high school kids. If you look at anime tropes in that perspective a lot of things make more sense.
This. It's odd seeing people complain about fan service etc when it's exactly what the target demographic wants. Alot of people don't seem to realize nothing can be made for everyone and maybe this just isn't made for you. I think alot of it is people being embarrassed to admit they enjoy the fanservice and protesting too much as to not be stigmatized as the weird guy.
@@thisisobviouslybait also, if they look they will find plenty of shows made to their own demographic. It’s just usually not the biggest names (which are obviously shounen titles).
Plenty of people watched anime in that age group before it was filled with cringe amounts of nudity so I find it difficult to take that argument seriously. The perversion just comes off as a cheap and desperate way to lure people through soft core porn. Western animation like Avatar the Last Airbender, Adventure Time etc are far more popular that many Japanese anime and they don't rely on that shit to succeed.
@@sirbear9396 Idk man, early 2000 was filled with school harem and stuff walking at the line but if you are talking about 80 90s anime I can't speak much about it since I was not even born yet(98). It's not an argument to justify anything but a statement of what it is. If you preferred shows like Avatar then there are plenty of Shonen Jump series or things like Gundam, AOT etc for you.
@@sirbear9396 Source... trust me bro... You've clearly not been watching anime long if you seriously think this. Have you considered maybe going and watching something else that targets people like you? No? Just want to cry about something that clearly isn't for you and pretend it's a problem and just recently started. Ok. Enjoy your self imposed misery.
They must have recorded this episode before the release of Cyberpunk Edgerunners. This anime is definitely one of the best sci-fi anime to have ever existed!
I think it’s on par with other of the same genre. A very nice addition to the list of good sci if anime to recommend like Akira, GITS, PsychoPass and Ergo Proxy.
To ever exist*
1:36 sums up my feeling for Cyberpunk Edgerunners. My immersion is completely shattered when there's a random ass 5 second VR sex scene for literally 0 reason. It adds nothing. Like I can't even recommend this to anyone that I know personally now.
@@Xtreme-yb9yo I disagree, I think it makes sense within the context of the cyberpunk 2077 world
@@TsukatsukiRio he said it's one of the best for the love of God read dude
Summer time render and Aoi ashi were solid for me. I feel like people keep looking for the next big thing and constantly down play a 7/10 show to a 3/10 because it wasn't perfect
I feel the opposite, seems like people are so fast to rate a mediocre show a 7/10 - 8/10
@@BeastCanaian spy x family for example feels like an 8/10 but people think it’s the best shit ever made
@@valorrous04 if we wanna be real Demon Slayer is a 7/10 at best but people are quick to say it's a 10/10 because of the animation completely ignoring that the plot is like a 3/10 and characters are like a 5/10
@@BeastCanaian it’s actually crazy that people compare demon slayer to aot in terms of rating. Aot has strong character development and moving plot points throughout all 4 seasons and demon slayer seems to add stuff on at the beginning of every season with no real build up
Hell yeah, Ao Ashi was my anime of the past 24 weeks, it just hits good
"They didn't have to, tho." Anime is basically yelling "WHY THE HELL NOT" in your face, lol
I gotta say I genuinely love To Love Ru it was one of the anime I watched as a kid and I just mainly saw it as a goofy romcom that was ecchi. I didn’t realize until much later how much ecchi there was. However, now that I’m older I can still enjoy the series now that I understand more of what’s happening.
P.S. Gotta say Yami was my favorite.
Well, I saw it as a kid and loved the ecchi and the random comedy stuff. Yami was also my favorite.
I'd take Yami and Nemesis. Best girls tbh
Reading To love ru after watching Black Cat feels different though with Yami
Ok, I'm an old and I remember when casual nudity was just part of anime, even broadcast anime. Urusai Yatsura had Lum losing her top in the finale of the first episode and big shows like Macross and even Space Battle Ship Yamato had nudity. I think etchi anime evolved out of the immense fan response to those scenes. The original Cream Lemon shows we're far more story and actual content than the later hentai episodes became. It was always just considered part of the anime culture. Fan service was literally that- serving the fans what they had requested. It has since devolved into echi just for the sake of echi tho, and I think you have to blame the Eiken OVAs for that. After Eiken, fan service became not just a genre, but a full on industry.
Yeah i'm surprised at how common nudity was back in the day. As a kid i grew up watching shows like Project A-ko, Blue Seed and only when i rewatched some of this stuff again as an adult i realized how much nudity was thrown in for not much reason. Also when i watched the original Gundam, one of the things that most stuck out to me is that they pretty much gave all the female cast a bath scene like they need to fill a quota or something. And they showed nipples in these shows back then too, no rays of light like we have nowadays.
Og Dragon ball and ranma 1/2 also both had nudity
Also have been watching since the 80's. Mid to late 90's saw an increase in ecchi anime. There also just more anime in general as more money was making that possible. It is just a thing. I find these kids complaining about it as a waste of time. We didn't get that option. If fan service works in the show, but makes someone annoyed GTFO. If the fan service makes the show weird or bad, then it does that and people won't like it. I can't sympathize with this subset of anime fans.
@@cicili6869 how are bath scenes sexual?
Enjoying reading this comment bring back memories
thats on you guys, new amazing stuff keeps getting made and theres always old gems you missed to go back and see as well.
Psycho pass is so underrated.Loved that u guys mentioned it.
Too bad Gen Urobuchi ( writer of Madoka Magica and Fate Zero) only wrote S1 of Psychopass.
Thou he has a new Sci-Fi called Eisen Flugel.
@@ouranioszefs5931 really hyped for it
wat got me interested in psycho pass was their level of care handling a sexual assault scene. the main character expresses kindness to the victim, defends her with her life, and we're shown that the victim can eventually move past the tragedy that happened to her. psycho pass is an anime about rehabilitative justice instead of pure punishment
Kill la Kill was a rare anime where the plot is so good, the fan service felt like part of the plot..
Maybe not the plot, but it literally is parodying fan service tropes.
Yeah, Kill la Kill is one of my faves. It's just where they put fan service and you don't get irritated because it works and it's not randomly placed without context.
I mean the fan service was the main part of the plot
Idk ir was pretty trash and boring. Random scenes of child molesting for literally 0 purpose
The animation was wack
I love it how in mob psycho, no minor is ever sexualized. That’s pretty rare in a shounen anime itself
That's a Pretty sad statement when you think about it.
@@silverhawkscape2677 it’s not when you understand what Shounen is. It’s a genre defined by its target demographic, adolescent and teenage boys, and what does said demographic like… girls and action. They are going through puberty and being sexually attracted to their peers of the opposite sex (so adolescent and teenage girls, AKA minors) is completely normal and natural. Nothing sad about it. The sad part is where grown ppl no longer in that phase of their life are trapped mentally and forget themselves, leading to a situation where you have hordes of 20s and 30s year olds consuming a nonstop supply of what can be described as Soft Child P*** (some of it not so soft) and refuse to take their viewership elsewhere. There’s also something to be said about some of the creators of these shows too, but that’d need its own conversation. I think people just need to know when it’s time to accept their maturity and move on to another genre (not medium. Genre.). 18+ ppl watching Ecchi Shonen (or let me translate… Soft Child P***) is what’s weird.
A good Anime/series that does that well for the genre (teen boys which is the target demographic for shounen) is D.Gray Man. Underrated but still top tier gem.
I do not consider Mob Psycho 100 a shonen anime. You can only make that claim with the strictest and literal definition of the genre, and only then if you ignore all other demographics which would find the show appealing (Mob Psycho 100 is certainly not "targeted" at adolescent boys, even if they may enjoy it). Which I think we can safely conclude, given the context of your statements and the content of the video, is not the definition being used.
@@Larindarr D. Gray Man was so good but unfortunately, the hype died when it took long to continue.
Connor wanted to be Light when he was 14? When I watched Death Note at the age of 14 I went from rooting for Light AND L to just wanting to see Light get defeated from the episode where he kills the agent's wife onward
It's cause there is no sigma grindset spirit in you
@@superioropinion7116 He doesn’t have that dog in him fr xD
" Making the mother of all omelettes here Jack. Can't fret over every egg"
no rly
Its honestly frightening and depressing how many people refuse to see the bigger picture.
Well I never thought about wanting to be Light (I thought other people did think so too), rather I found the subject very interesting.
And what or who is in the right/ wrong. Light or L.
Because Light's first actions seem to be super logical/ even good for society, but then you see the suppression and his ongoing corruption. Becoming a character with a god complex.
I've always treated this stuff like scrolling through pirating sites, you got stuff like zombie strippers and then you got stuff like the matrix where it's something you'd actually want to watch
I think you got the names twisted dude, Zombie Strippers sounds infinitely more fun than Matrix ever was :^)
"It's immature. It looks like you're making something meant for a 15 year old...". Well it's cuz they are. Teens are the target audience for most anime, especially shounen anime.
Literally. They are watching thing they are way to old to be watching at this point.
There isn't a set target age for anime most of the time. Shounen Anime more often than not goes to teen to mature and even then they're aiming for both in that case.
There isn't a standard target age demographic
@@NexhiAlibias There is. It's called Shonen for a reason. It may take serious and mature subject matter but thier target audience is still young men hence the name.
As much as I hate Darling in the Franxx for it's final episodes, I do think the two person piloting was in theme with the idea of children growing up. At the start of the show, most of the pilots are literal children and didn't have sexual feelings towards their partners, but over time their viewpoints changed about each other and realized the romantic feelings.
Yeah but I still can’t get over it 😂😂
It’s so ridiculously ridiculous
@@thewovenmantis6813 That's what makes it more interesting to me regardless of execution, than just another grounded robot anime about how war is bad
its*
The boys are getting harder to watch. They're too grown up, too sophisticated, too rational for discussions about anime. And unfortunately a lot of us no longer have any time to watch anime either
This tbh
I think the term you are looking for is old fogey. Sophistication is just the polite form of picky or English keigo.
What do you expect. The channel name is trash taste.
They are getting too stuck up more like, the general feel they radiated these days are like kind of condescending and haughty. I know they're familiar with the culture but it seems like they're using the Western mindset when assessing anime which is totally off-course since the demographic for most of those products are the Japanese people.
But it's alright, I've long since accept that when those boys truly turn watching anime into a career they're bound to stray off the psyche of those who just want to watched for a good time and not being lectured about.
P/s: my apology for the lengthy ranting.
Same I left anime years ago
I like how Fairy Tail was briefly mentioned as being in the same vein as 7DS but FT has recently gotten a more vocal fanbase that appreciates the show for it's good at and why people love it, myself included
Yeah, like i see the community and it's always amazing!? I recently just started interacting with the fairy tail community and they are really awesome and the anime is also good but not as serious as the other shonen anime, and i like fanservice to anime (most people i know like that) so i don't really see the problem, if others feel uncomfortable, i understand 👍
Fairy tail has that good vibe to it with good adventure, my biggest problem with that series though is how the fight scenes are won or how the fights are lost. There seems to be a literal formula where the fairy tail guild always has to be destroyed and the members defeated just for them to
come back and defeat the enemy that defeated them. Then there is characters that are just not creative on how they use the magic, it even goes so far where characters dont use magic at all somehow, when I wanted to see magic and sh!t go brrr.
For example, natsu always rushes in with fire dragon iron fist and when opponent is stronger he always loses because of that, when he could start with fire dragon roar in the fight for that long distance damage. Then he comes back and wreck the enemy like they are nothing, like why couldn’t you just do that earlier?
@@DemiCape because that is natsu, he is dumb and fights like that, though in 100 year quest he improved a lot (atleast that's what I think)
Trigger did NOT make Darling in the FranXX, it is a Cloverworks anime. Trigger only worked on the first 10 or so episodes and thats mostly the action scenes, before dropping it. The Boys honestly really need to do their research.
Lmao, wasn't it Joey even visited that Cloverworks studio? And showed some Darling in the Franxx frames??
@@desuyodesuyo60 You just made me remember, bro was talking to the director himself, how did he just forget something that important.
trash taste? research? the whole premise of the show is that theyre just 3 dudes talking out of their ass for two hours,and usually, because of their characters, its entertaining. Problems start when they or the fanbase begin to think those takes have any value.
Go Nagai created like 10 different genres. He’s pretty diverse creator. He also adapted Dante’s Divine Comedy into a manga. Yes, that Dante from Medieval Times.
I started watching anime back in october 2019 and i have been consuming a lot of shows both old and new at the time and then i stopped watching old anime in around mid to late 2020, and then i started pacing with new anime releases in very early 2021, since early 2021 to now, the number of shows that i have been watching since then to now have been mostly the same, i pick ones just before a season starts then watch it. Also, about meliodas groping Elizabeth, he and her have been in an intimate relationship for over 3000 years but only meliodas remembers every single time Elizabeth gets revived, it might be a comedic affection that he has seen her die hundreds of times that he just blankly goes to grope her. but then again, it looks so random when it happens the first couple times.
No lie, I actually cried at the end of Darling in the Franxx when they set up the farm and had families. Sometimes shitty shows can still be cathartic.
Ngl I didn't even notice the sexualazation in franxx I guess I got so used to it I don't pay attention to it anymore
I thought it mixed well with the overall story. It was sort of jarring to us to see sexual euphemisms in the first few episodes especially with how they pilot the franxx and connect the stamen and pistils but for the characters they had no framework to see this in a sexual way. Over the course of the story they learn more about information regarding sex and procreation that was withheld from them and in turn the humanity and hope that was kept from them and the reasons for this. I dunno, personally I liked the show and was interested to follow these characters as they navigate relationships in their world.
In general, for me whether or not sexualization is gratuitous anime depends on the story itself. I think a lot of anime (specifically isekai) do throw it in just because and I think that’s lazy but I don’t think this is always the case. No hate though on anyone who is just sick of it. It could definitely be reined in and used more strategically.
@@dumdumer892 well said
@@neutron4993 it's so true cause when I rewatch shows with my friends they point out all the fan service I never noticed the first time round
Is it maybe a thing where these guys are all North American and are hypersensitive of anything sexual?
The good seasons of game of thrones had also a lot of nudity and sex and stuff but I didn't see people say that having that makes it lesser of a show.
I can take their opinions even less serious when I see that Ninja Batman figure... That movie was so ludicrous but in a bad way.
Garnt a month ago " theres no such thing as mid anime anymore " Garnt 2 weeks ago " Anime is getting harder to watch " .... k
I will defend Kill La Kill to this day, it’s one of my favorite shows all time and it’s cause at a certain point the actual plot of the show overtakes the fanservice and you don’t even notice it anymore, the fights and music and Art/animation are so good.
Anime is trash, just like your taste.
Bro, I think looking for reviews is just the worst idea ever. Read a non spoiler synopsis, then watch it. Period.
This attitude of "I need to be sure I'm gonna enjoy watching it" is just an obstacle to actually enjoying things, it's incredible he doesn't see it.
agreed. I dont understand why people cant just think for themselves from reading a synopsis and thinking "ok will I like this" while also looking at the genres. Between the genres and synopsis a person should be able to tell if they will enjoy it for the most part.
I agree for a while i was looking for reviews and stopped enjoying things, after a little while i stopped getting online and just watched or read what looked good to me and enjoyment started coming back
@@valenten89 Yeah man, although I complain about genres because genre contamination is just about one of the best things to ever happen for someone who enjoys all sorts of fiction, they still exist for a reason. If you like stories with military, you look for the military tag. If you like historical it's there. Sure, you're gonna like some tropes more than others *and that's what people look for in reviews* , but being pleasantly surprised every now and then is better than having 0.5 stress about finding the right anime or story. It piles up over time.
For websites like novel updates you can even look for specific tropes but anime doesn't have that.
I admit that I am negatively biased towards people who feel anxiety and need spoilers though. Just can't stand those people.
The worst is when it looks interesting and then it's a loli anime, i definitely don't like that.
@@TwistedTZ Yep, I still read synopsis now but apparently that's unusual for anime fans. I just don't like being disappointed by what I watch if the synopsis seems cool.
For example, I watched chrome shelled regios and it was so painful. Only the last episode was hype. It's rare for this to happen though.
Subete GA F Ni Naru isn't the best thing I watched but if I stressed about the bizarre premise of mathematics and murder mystery I don't know if I would have watched it, but I do enjoy weird stuff so who knows.
Same for stuff like kamisama no memochu, i couldn't tell you much about it. But it wasn't a bad time.
I think you meant Gunbuster. But it was pretty mild till the end where the pilot tears her suit open because she’s making the robot tear its chest open.
I was born in 1992, but my first anime would technically have been Speed Racer because of late night Cartoon Network reruns.
i love this guys, but this video is a full tangent of "I'm to horny to actually understand Kill la Kill"
This the definition of that meme "i love anime, but, ohhh the fanservice, I cant take the fanservice" .
I mean. The plot and characters in anime can be really good. However random hand falling on chest in a serious moment and other similar situations really takes away from the story.
@@asdfgh9985 this is my main gripe
Imagine if they did that in naruto or bleach right in the middle of a battle?
It would be absurd, fan service has its place for dudes but the random bits where its inserted is ridiculous
@@HackersSun I bet you watched 20 series at most before making this comment. Maybe your “good” series with fanservice just sucks?
@@johnnysavior4538 Maybe its just the fanservice.
Yeah fanservice type comedy bits in anime have me straight faced. Somehow I got tired of anime along the way, too much fan service played part
no offense but is this a joke?
Ive watched anime since i was 5 (and no its not all i do)
And i havent been hit by fatigue yet, Tho i do drop shows pretty fast if they dont hit my interest and just try something else,
Recently just watched Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, Spy x family, Jujutsu kaisen 0, and the latest Baki season on netflix, I think the fatigue comes from being a anime youtuber, You HAVE to watch certain shows because its expected, And if you dont finish it you cant really make a review.
For us who just finds an anime and enjoys it when we have free time arent forced to sit through shows we would otherwise have skipped.
4:52 this reminded me, I watched this anime called Monochrome Factor ages ago. The anime was a supernatural/action show with a side of bl. I really liked it and went to read the manga but when I did, I saw that manga had 0 bl, none at all. When it was made into an anime, ig the production team just decided to make it a bl??? Maybe it was too bring more attention to it, who knows. So I guess anime teams do have options and have heavily altered stories, so maybe they was a possibility to make meliodas less gross
The manga might have BL done the line and the anime just brought that forward?
oh my god you just reminded me of my shirogane x akira shipping years 😭💀 my experience with monochrome factor was the same as yours-- i binged the anime and enjoyed the bl aspects and wanted to know how the whole thing ends to i went and read the manga and it was such a shock??? how different it was tonally??? the manga was almost tragic in how shirogane didn't actually see akira for akira but his dead black haired other half whose name i can't recalled atm... (also the shift in art style like holy shit the art of the manga is so good towards the end actually). like. the anime did get me to read the manga so the anime studio got smth right ig???? but yeah big rip to my shirogane x akira shipping middle school self fr
tbf i do think the manga had bl tones in the way shirogane was so obsessed with his black haired partner who got reincarnated as akira (or smth,, my memory is hazy). like. he didn't just think of him as his bro bestie that's for certain
Okay so I took Darling in the franxx seriously as the series went on BUT when I first saw how they pilot the mechs, I couldn't help but bust out laughing and ask why
"Because why not" was probably the reason xD
Like the entire show, that position for piloting the mechs, in and of itself, is an allegory with deeper meaning. Which is pointed out in the show, by the characters, immediately when that scene takes place. It has been a few years since I watched Darling in a Franxx, but I certainly understood at least that much from that scene. Furthermore, there are even personal dilemmas, conflicts and struggles that characters face because of that very position. I felt it was all rather obvious it was a plot device to make a point by the authors/writers.
Darling in the Franxx didn't even do perv-mecha first. Aquarion has very blatantly climaxing pilots as the mecha merged, and Kenzen Robo Daimidaler makes fun of perv-mecha by being powered by 'Hi-ERo particles' and parodying mecha as a whole.
I wish I could insert that meme of the chick crying in the car with the other chick pressing her chest into the window.
0:55 They really said Diebuster instead of Gunbuster. So much for being 'anime veterans'
Diebuster wasn't directed by Anno, it was by FLCL's director Kazuya Tsurumaki
omg 1 mistake!!!!!1111!!1!
@@franjj9803 It’s a pretty glaring mistake, especially if they think its director created mecha.
@@franjj9803 Lore Lord Larry and Archive Andy coming for their jobs lol
Man, both names are similar, it’s easy to be mistaken here. Give ‘em a pass
@@franjj9803 Only novices make mistakes like that lol
Also, Kill La Kill had a whooole moral about being who you want to be (and dressing the part)
I used to have this conversation at art school with the disney animation kids trying to convince them to try anime. The easy answer is "different cultures," but Takashi Murakami wrote a book called "little boy" that goes over the history of post war Japanese art. Everything from Anime, figures, contemporary art, manga, video games etc.. from the 1940s to now.
The biggest thing I noticed when I really got into Japanese art history was their outlook on art & "fiction" is very different from the west. A homogenous culture with 99% natural black hair & brown eyes but anime characters are anything but. Fiction is fiction & doesn't in anyway correspond with real life. We can empathize with characters while still understanding they aren't real nor are they a representation of something in the real world. It's just Art. Japanese media doesn't have power over how real people think.
It's interesting looking into the west & mainly Americas history with television & marketing. With the rise of television it became easier to sell products to people but in order to do that they need to believe what they see on a screen. Want clear skin, here's a model with perfect skin who was sponsored to tell you how you can too. Coca cola & Disney put billions into marketing & honestly are the founders of modern advertising. This bleeds into Art. Fiction should feel more "real" & "real" should feel like our "fiction."(that we made & are now selling - disney (probably) Lara croft was redesigned to look more "normal/contemporary"(im definitely not against the change) the last of us deliberately gave characters unattractive features to show diversity & not every one is a model/actor (shown in concept art for the game compared to production art). Theres nothing wrong with any of this but its the difference in cultures when the west tries to make art more like reality. Our conflicts & ideals in reality get blended with art. In alot of ways this enhances a film, book, a game, more immersion, but in others our issues in reality are in art too. People chant for art to fix real life problems.
I think the side effect is sometimes we look at anime this way. Sex is always touchy & narrow minded in western culture, but in others it's normal, it's not always a marketing tool to get eyes, it's another element of style in a project, or it's all of these at once. Ive always seen 'Sexualization" in anime as another element of style. Like how super hero movies never mention property damage & civilians killed, how every actor is technically a model but no one seems attracted to any one out side of a disney fairy tale way, I could go on but Art embellishes elements in order to heighten others. Sex is one of those elements. Anime exaggerates it, turns it into stylized visuals, & gets some people aroused. its just another element that makes up Japanese art & not necessarily real people. if something makes you uncomfortable or breaks immersion in someone else's art its cool, it may not have been for you & neither side should judge the other. Is Keanu reeves killing a man with a pencil necessary..no but its cool af. Is fan service in fire force necessary..nah but its a visual trope that isn't always deep. I think kill la kill its just a parody on fan service by giving "plot" actual plot & purpose.
I'm open to being 100% wrong & would love to hear any other thoughts. I miss these conversations when the whole school is filled with other artist.
TL;DR
Sexualization is a western problem & sex in media is touchy but anime doesn't come from that school of thought & god fathers like gianax & trigger use sex as another form of style. Just like how john wick uses violence, superheroes uses morals to justify saving people & grand superpowers, sex is normal & can be exaggerated, emphasized, & if it turns you on thats a bonus
😂if it makes you uncomfortable or breaks believability try a different show, it all good.
Yoko Taro said the reason he designed 2B in Nier the way she is is because "I Just Really Like Girls." & thats all the reasoning an artist ever needs to give.
I think the biggest two problems with that sort of thinking tho is:
1) You get silly excuses like Hideo Kojima swearing that Quiet totally had a serious and dramatic reason for her fetishistic design. If he went the Yoko Taro ie honesty route he wouldn't have been as laughed at by critics and fans.
2)"You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, “Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life.” If you don’t spend time watching real people, you can’t do this, because you’ve never seen it.
Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves. Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know. It’s produced by humans who can’t stand looking at other humans. And that’s why the industry is full of otaku!"
-Hayao "Anime was a mistake" Miyazaki
@@fluidthought42 I agree with 1 as a problem. But 2 is a problem, only if you think realism should be valued more.
Art in general can influence how people behave and view the world though. A good and grim example is how Jaws changed how the west views sharks, making them out to be bloodthirsty monsters. This has impaired conservation for sharks in the wild and has endangered them greatly.
@@fluidthought42 but that’s what i mean, why is Quiet’s design considered ridiculous or sexualized. More so than snakes robotic arm, or him abducting people with a balloon, or a virus that kills people who speak certain languages 😂it’s all exaggerated & stylized but sexual themes get more criticism weather it is creative or not.
Personally i think. 2Bs design is style but Quiets a bit…boring. I’d love to see a cool adaptive suit or something like MGS4 that has like gills or something so her skin can breathe. That’d be more creative than a bikini but Yoji Shinkawa tends to design one character with some sort of appeal. 90s action movies would do that too. Is it bad design? Arguably, but i try to be open & see the style behind it rather than it’s just being horny on main.
@@TANKYU
It's pretty hard to argue that Quiet's design isn't sexualized, she's a half naked woman in a bikini top and short shorts with ripped nylon stockings in a semi-realistic battlefield. You can argue its stylistic, but to deny the fanservice element in that style is an exercise in denying the obvious.
I’ve looped around on ecchi. Loved it when I was 14, hated it when I was 17 (I went through an elitist phase and thought “I’m an adult now, I want to watch mature anime” lmao) and now in my 20s I’ve returned to ecchi and am loving it again. I’m going back and watching/reading the ecchi I missed out on, as well as re-visiting ones I liked and it’s weirdly nostalgic and entertaining. Tsugumomo, To love-ru, Okusan, etc, this is the stuff I’m reading now. Anime with deep and serious plots are cool and all, but sometimes its nice to just escape from seriousness and just get horned up lol.
Planning on Watchin' Vermeil in Gold! I have no shame!
This so much, buncha people on this comment section playing the elitist part tho
"Oh it ruined X anime for me", "it takes me out of the story" like how little attention you must have to be that distracted by a 0.2 seconds panty shot
@@4idenn It's about fitting in with the tone and setting of the series. If you're gunna do a horney show, go for it, more power too you. The thing is, when you insert random fanservice into serious and dramatic shows for no reason you get tonal whiplash and it takes you out of the story. That's not to say that serious shows can't have moments like that in it, but it needs to make context in the world they are presenting. For example, even Highschool DxD (or at least the first couple seasons) work well as a serious show because one of the main characters is a literal succubus and the world built around that makes it all work logically in context. So, you can have the serious scenes that aren't undercut by the sexualization, because that is a relevant part of the story. However, when you toss it into something like Fire Force where it's just LoL this character pratfalls into panty shots for no reason, the tone doesn't mesh with that of the rest of the series and it just comes off awkward when you have the majority of a scene dedicated to this out of place recurring gag that often steps on the toes of the dramatic moments going on when they happen.
@@4idenn
I actually agree with you! Elitists and the hyper horny-types are 2 sides of the same coin: one acts ashamed of even the most harmless TNA (sometimes it isnt meant to be taken sexual), the others are a bunch of assholes with little to no self-control at all and can't help but get off to something then accuse even the slightest amount of skin showing as oversexualized. If that isn't immaturity then Idk what is.
@@immortalgamer3960 I got you the perfect solution: stop watching shounen. You know how Psycho-Pass doesn't have any fan service? It's a seinen.
If you don't like the content you consume then don't consume it. I personally don't watch shounen because I couldn't care less about fighting in anime, but by now the fan service is a staple on shounen anime, so you'll have a better time just embracing it or watching other stuff. Every rose has its thorn at the end of the day.
When they were talking about just switching to porn instead of liking perverted stuff in anime, Spartacus and Game of Thrones we're some of the most popular shows in the U.S. and there was a lot of perverted shit. It's not just anime.
As a 24 year old I still feel like the inner 15 year old inside me is still alive. So much so I could never say fanservice (or sexualization) could ever ruin something like anime or games for me. The idea of "I love this show, but the tits RUINED the show for me" sound so fucking stupid, there are many things that ruin a show but tits? Nah
ok coomer.
The thing people don't get about anime is that most of it is low-brow entertainment. It's like exploitation films as cartoons.
This guy took the permanent viagra pill
ig the "anime is for kids" notion made people consuming anime content want more adult stuff in general in a competitive sort of way, which inturn boosted the market for ecchi,harem,gore and the likes... but it also helped the surge of psychological stuff too, so it's kind of a win win
This is kind of funny when you have the figures right behind them lol
For such a popular show about anime I'm impressed with how terrible the media analysis is. Where's the meat bois?
In the last 10-15 years, anime has really become hard to watch because you don't know if you're watching an ad for a manga or if you are seeing something that will actually be followed through with. Who wants to start watching a series only for it to be thrown away after one season. This certainly used to happen as well, but it has really been cracked up to eleven in more recent years.
agreed, part of the problem is over-saturation and chasing the most recent breakout lightnovel or manga and dropping last years big hits when they drop viewership even slightly
I think you guys just became boomers, and i'm more older than you guys.
anime has alot of types, so you just watch what you want and there is public for all of it.
i just dont think you guys undestand the industry, i think you guys just want to be smart and mature to enjoy shows that and smart and all but lets be honest this shows dont pull people like high school dxd... it is just facts.
i dont like when people say that some show suck or something, it is just not for you my guy.
just dont watch it... sometimes it sounds like you guys dont watch anime at all, it is just elitism.
7:13 Y'all really got the perfect guest to live up to the podcasts name
I honestly didn't like it too. My friends clown me all time but I stand by it.
As we're getting old, our interests shift to something else. When I was a teenager, I've never understood why my parents were so invested in stock markets. And here I am in late twenties, also following the same path...who've ever thought that learning/investing on stock markets are more interesting than watching anime?! There is nothing wrong with watching anime. It just that life happens.
Connor is totally right. The fanservice in Fire Force is absurd. Great show, and one of my favorites. But even I can admit, Tamaki did nothing for the story. It got to be a bit cliche by the end.
Literally the one thing keeping me from recommending it to others. I hate when authors stuck in 2005 still put it everywhere for comedic effect. If it's not going to be done right and in a way that's important to the plot, don't do it at all. Half-assed fan service is just lazy clickbait.
@@SuperCatacata no it isnt
If you think tamaki did nothing for the story you are a mo ron
@@lolsnez7542 Really compelling argument you got there little nez you just changed my entire view bro.
The fan service was easy to ignore i was so invested in the story and fights
Reading these comments made me think that they should do a episode where they have an existential crisis about how old and not up to date they are. I'm younger than them and even I feel old and out of touch.
I mean Garnt at least gives most shows 1-3 episodes but thats not enough in a lot of cases. Joey doesnt really watch anime anymore unless its obscenely popular. Connor im not to sure about tbh. I was actually shocked that all 3 of them watched and enjoyed mushoku tensei. I figured Garnt would like it because its one of the best if not the best iskeai written in the past decade. Connor and Joey I figured wouldnt enjoy it because of Rudy and his shenanigans. To this day I still dont understand the "mental age" thing that people complain about with the series. The only thing I can think of is people who complain about it expect a self insert MC and Rudy aint that at all. Which is one of the things I like about Mushoku Tensei they are all their own characters and for the most part realistic people. All have flaws and all have struggles they go through and the viewers get to see it and see them grow over the course of the whole series as well as the first full season of the anime
Need more action horror anime
More like parasyte
Why is the thumbnail so right and wrong at the same time?
I mean there are a lot of shows that has minimal fan service but only the shows with fan service get the eye balls so I guess it’s more of the consumer’s fault and I’m just guessing here, for UA-camrs, y’all gotta watch the popular ones which typically will have the waifus and fan service. Also I think only Gigguk watches seasonal anime nowadays so id think others’ opinions would be skewed towards what they here about animes online. And most of the things that blows up online are the really good animation ones or the one with fan service.
An example, we had some good shows this past season but the only videos/clips I keep getting recommended is about the slave harem one.
Also don’t watch anything with ecchi tag if you don’t want ecchi😂
If you go back a couple of decades, ecchi was there, just accepted with the show. If you're getting those recommendations, I think you've been searching too much of the H, and not the A.
@@RionAgrias maybe it remembers my previous searches from years ago but idk, I buy a new phone yearly so don’t make sense. I don’t even got time to watch H no more. I used to watch a bit back when I got laid off cause of covid but I’ve been an engineer for the past 2 years now and you know how much time consuming corporate jobs are🤦🏽♂️
Past three months, I just been out here tryna watch one episode of one piece a night until I catch up. I’m sitting at around ep 360… pacing is kinda draggin rn😅 does it get better?
also some other seasonal during break time/lunches🤦🏽♂️
@@RionAgrias also yeah I’ve watched lots of older animes and ecchi sometimes is part of the jokes. Some tropes still lives on today as well, especially the one with walking into someone changing and MC getting slapped🤦🏽♂️😂
Harem Labyrinth in another world is really good though.
Eh anime has always been like this it's just the boomer logic of back in my day it was better that causes a lot of older fans to think differently. Or to be more polite maybe you just matured and can see things differently. Either way there does seem to be a bit of hypocrisy. Like complaining about Meliodas groping his wife while praising stuff like Monogatari when the main character gropes a child.
It's the same reason you see old fans shit on the new school of shounen while sucking off the big three.
Yeah I kinda agree it’s really just boomer brain here because anime’s quality always been the same, we are just getting more of it today so it seems like there’s less good shows
Facts are we really gunna forget about all the terrible ovas back in the 80s and 90s that was nothing but fan service and gore? Golden Boy? They literally quoting diebuster which was a 90s show that was filled with it lmao Joey also states how he's a man of culture and how kiss sis is one of his favorite shows he's seriously ALL OVER the place
Bro the shounen thing actually pisses me off. Not that I think any new gen shounen(except jjk and csm) are really that great, but you are smoking weed if you think bleach is any good either. Naruto is decent at best, but one piece tops any day every day
@@Apostle_47 Hey man if you think that great for you and good you have an opinion
Started watching Darling in the Franxx BECAUSE I thought that Mecha engagement stuff was funny. A little while later, getting attached to the characters and the ending got me rolling tears. Little did I know I would seemingly turn out to be one of the only individuals to appreciate the ending and the anime itself as a story being told.
I love it that show is definitely overhated
Same our experience is very similar
I loved the show, but I got to binge it instead of being disappointed in the ending for weeks
It was my 2nd anime (I just watched stuff with an AMV for a song I liked). At 1st I just cringed all the way through but I was committed. Then I got super invested in the characters so I was able to ignore it. Then it went balls to the walls out of nowhere with no foreshadowing, but it was watchable and if you took it separately, the ending was pretty solid and the epilogue bit was well done.
The ending was stupid and made no sense but that's just me personally lol
The genius thing about fanservice is that it alienates the right kind of people, boobs and ass are just an eye candy for the viewer and at the same time keeps anime in general away from the mainstream attention, which consistently deteriorates a medium overtime.
That's Japanese creators way of saying "no, manga and anime shouldn't be for everyone and that's ok" without coming up and saying it out loud and get flak for it.
Only that it has become more mainstream 😂
@@sammyruncorn4165 Western entertainment might hate it, actual westerners like it a lot.
True but you could argue that there are other ways to do that sort of stuff.
@@hassathunter2464 Well I don't really know who falls under the category of "actual westerners", my guess would be that older people and/ or people with a more conservative behaviour/ strict moral views are more likely to dislike it (as well as probably feminists?) soo maybe we shouldn't generalize and assume it's only the high-headed critics/ entertainment.
+ yeah "actual westerners" is a pretty vague word.
Maybe "actually a lot more westerners than previously like it" would be more fitting.
@@ewoma8234 agreed, but not just incels. Anybody who has enough confidence in themselves to admit they like what they like, i mean normies live a life of societal restraint and lash out easily at geeks when they enjoy sth. But I say, go ahead and enjoy what you want.
Risky Anime been around for decades.
Maybe I should try Psycho-Pass again? I loved it at first, because the premise is so solid. When I watched it a second time with my brother (maybe a year later) it felt insanely slow. It's a fascinating idea but the storytelling and pacing aren't exactly elegant.
I've never even attempted to watch S2 or S3.
The next 2 seasons were a little off, but do watch the movies. Sinners of the System. They are good
2:44 "Trigger never take themselves seriously"
Me after watching CPER: are you sure about that?
Trigger takes itself plenty seriously. Unless we are talking about Panty and Stocking, there they just decide to go nuts with degeneracy,
This podcast is getting harder to watch.
I binged watched all of JOJO for the very first time this summer, and I had a really good experience. Here’s my overview;
Part 1 - A simple start with an awesome OP
Part 2 - JOSEPH JOESTAR IS MY FAVORITE JOJO OF ALL TIME!!!
Part 3 and 4 - The true meaning of “Maybe the real treasure were the friends we made along the way”.
Part 5 - Bruno Buccellati is the real star of the show
Part 6 - Simpin’ on 🎶Jolyene, Jolyene, Jolyene, Jolyeeeeeene🎶
You could say it was golden
nice
i find this funny cuz i did too
OP turned into Anasui
You could say you expirenced heaven
I can’t watch most modern anime because of all of the unnecessary sexualization and fan service. I’m more than fine with romance and sex when it’s written correctly, but anime is just “I grope woman” or “woman is NAKED????” Like, I get it makes it easy to retain a fan base and sell merch, but it just absolutely ruins the watching experience for me.
Gotta say, a year or so after I started to really get into anime, I found out about the "3 episode" rule. I still follow that rule, if an anime can't keep my interest after 3 episodes, there is a good chance that I'm going to drop it.
You will miss out on alot of top tier slow burn shows if u keep on sticking to this rule.
@@desmondgovender3142 what shows is that?
@@blkxbr an example will be fruits basket,plot takes time to develop and at the end the pay off is great(well I thought it was great)
@@desmondgovender3142 I mean rom coms are kinda the shows that are supposed to be long hauls but other genres are good for this rule
@@blkxbr yeah generally romcom/rom dramas are related to "slow burn" shows,op might miss out on some of these(that's if op is interested in those genres)
"trigger never takes themselves seriously" - Cyberpunk Edgerunners...
This was unfortunately recorded before Edgerunners came out
the instant disapproval that he got when he said he didn't like death note, xD.
Trigger never takes their shows seriously.
"Cyberpunk: Edgerunners" appears.
No one remember Kiznaiver.
Congrats you proved what people have said for years you are just clout chasing trend chasing hobby tourist we are mature no your not anyone who has to explain why there mature is not mature your 14 year olds playing at adult
you can't even spell right
I’m 16 and find it really annoying when some shows have ecchi things in it, I don’t have anything against it in general but sometimes it’s just unnecessary for the show. And I really hate it when I buy some show on dvd or watch it with my parents and then there’s such a random ecchi scene…..
Watching anime with your parents is ballsy lmao. You never know when an ecchi scene appears
I have the same thought. Many shows have unnecessary sexualized moments that do not add to the show. It just make people with brains cringe.
No they dont you are just weak and a coward
Chill cringe brain
@@kagomehigurashi693
'separation of church and state' almost sums up my view on it, when it comes to keeping ecchi for the sake of ecchi away from seriousness.
Serious shows don't need ecchi/sexualization. Keep the ecchi in it's lane, and the serious stuff separate, and things will be more enjoyable in general, because you don't have to deal with tone whiplash or awkwardness.
I don't want, let alone need a shot of someone's cleavage bouncing in the crowd in the middle of a fight scene or drama/tension moment. It just takes you out of it. Now, doing that same shot of one of the fighter's cleavage bouncing mid dodge, or having one of the characters in the drama/tension trying to use their assets to defuse (or escalate) the situation (or even just making motions that would naturally result in some movement, like stamping their feet harshly or waving their arms), that works fine. You have to work it in as part of the scene, not just slap a panty shot over the screen and call it good.
Fans: You didn’t HAVE to add ecchi scenes tho
Author: It’s MY series, I can do what I want
and they criticize whatever the author wants
@@Degeneraristocracy6079 At that point their "criticisms" are worthless.
@@Hyperslayer_X Depends
@@Degeneraristocracy6079 True. Don't get me wrong I ain't saying that an author is free from criticism. Fire Force for example is just a shounen battle manga, so the random ecchi is understandably criticized. However To Love Ru and High School DxD are literally ecchi, so criticizing the fan service is pointless.
@@Hyperslayer_X True True True I guess
Wasn't the big twist for deadly sins, im ok with spoiling it cause people claim its a flaw, actually tragic...like the dude has seen his wife pass on so many times, and intimacy for him is lost, he only cares about her and never does that stuff to anyone else and also the show showed that he is devoid of most emotions till he met her as in humanity or humans help demons remember their softer side etc. Tons more but i agree, in our society atleast puritan breed, its very taboo to do sexual things vs violence...so they should have kept it out to appeal...but those who like it don't mind and stayed long enough to learn why it was done, so i hate when people lable those fans pervs...cause they "read long enough to understand the story???" before judging.
7:54 Bro Connor I watched that shit when I was 15 and was highly impressed by everyone's IQ in the show and only found Mellow and near annoying because they were absurdly gifted while light and L had to do their fare share of work to get to know each other. So in these type of shows age doesn't matter, your taste does!
Death note is like criminal minds. It seems smart until you think about it after, and you realize how actually illogical and stupid the show is.(psychology is pretty spot on in criminal minds though) It's one of those shows where you don't try to use your brain too much .
@@gandalainsley6467 very true like I can say that some of the choices light in the beginning were definetly his downfall
@@gandalainsley6467 no
OK with Franxx the first like 6 or 7 episodes is one long innuendo. BUT if you pay close attention like real critics, you will notice that goes away fast. They start to peel away the layers of the story and dive into everything. You are literally saying don't take a story seriously because if the first 1/4 of it. If you watch it again you will only think of 1/3 of it and then realize...holy crap I forgot about almost ALL of the deep story and world! I hate how anime "fans" and "critics" (not ever single person but so many public voices) have one, or a handful of, stupid formula(s) in their heads and if an anime doesn't fit one of them, the anime is stupid or shouldn't be taken seriously. It comes from people in a bubble not understanding real story telling. There are silly things in Franxx yes, even things taken from Evangelion, but the makers are honest about it and that doesn't mean it us amazing story, character, or quality wise.
Really wanting to watch Dress up Darling because cosplay is super super awesome and so many people put their blood sweat and tears into it - but all I get is people telling me to not watch it because it just seems to be fan service that features underage characters which I just find extremely uncomfortable now as someone in their early 20's. When I was a teen I didn't mind because I was the same age, but its just...uncomfortable as all hell to watch now.
Yeah s1 seemed abit too much..if u can get past that then I can guarantee you s2 will tone it down alot and focus more on slice of life(coming from reading the manga)
Yeah I went on because I thought it was one of those “hobby anime” but dropped it because it’s a ecchi romcom featuring some cosplay tips sometimes. My feeling was that cosplay in this was a mean to get to ecchi scenes rather than a subject to explore
Wait a few years and hopefully you'll enjoy it again, once you stop thinking of characters as real people
Cause let's be honest, if you took Marin and changed absolutely nothing about her appearance but just said she was 20 and replaced the school uniform for an office outfit most of y'all would have no problem with it, proving it's not that you don't find the character attractive but you're too engrossed in a fictional character's "age"
Lmao nah ? I literally just said I dropped it because it wasn’t about cosplay like I though it would. I have no use for yet another romcom where the main duo will dance around each other for a decade, there’s better one out there
@@4idenn I mean, no, I will feel even more uncomfortable at the thought of these 16/17 year olds being treated like 20 year olds. Yes they're not real people but it's no different if a 25 year old plays a 16 year old - that character is still a minor and the story is still portraying an underage individual in a mature light. Just because it's animated doesn't take away that creep factor.
Also I agree with the other commenter that the show doesn't seem to show much in terms of cosplay, only to really use the sexual side of cosplay to amp up the echie nature of the show - which is annoying because cosplay isn't just sexual, a lot of people cosplay for something other than the sexual side and it's only really a minor few in the overall fanbases that use it in that nature
I dont think anime has gotten more riske especially when you compare 80's and 90's anime to modern one where they flat out showed nipples
Heck if anything anime is slowly going back to that era and getting less tamed compared to the 20th century
Yeah lol
Trash taste titles are like:
How do I title this so anime fans don't kill my guest?
Unfortunately, this is a BIG reason why I'm just not invested in anime much any more.
Your loss tons of great stuff coming out and has been coming out for years
I recommend watching violet evergarden if you have netflix account
One piece is such a good anime as well
@@senajabeen1076 That's one if my favorites!
@@philo2189 Do you have any recommendations that aren't so horny and trope-y?
1:38 joey is so fake he just copies the crowd and environment he’s in … what do you mean you don’t enjoy stuff like that YOU FAVOURITE ANIME IS MONOGATARI
He also loves kiss sis. Dudes a grifter.
@@philo2189 this is not the first time i caught he faking stuff he really is a grifter
For some reason I've always picked up that vibe with him, like this man is faking.
My opinion on it is the fact that I feel like there’s less and less fan-service by the year it’s just being separated into different genres like if you wanna go look for fan service and hentai there’s a place for it. It’s just not everywhere now I see less of it every season I don’t actually see more of it. and I’m glad. I don’t know what you guys are watching🤷♂️
If you mean the TT crew, only Garnt watches anime anymore. The rest just peaced out ages ago. Some people joke Joey is the “Manga Man” now, but I dare say not even that anymore since it has been ages since he has actually reviewed manga at all.
3 out of 4 people here say they don't like anime these days, even though they rarely watch anime.
modern anime is bad and ppl with good taste prefer old stuff and venture into other genres where they aren’t the target audience.
@@sinew1000 yet newer anime have more high ratings now than they did in the 90s and 80s lmao
@@sinew1000 a silent voice is modern anime wich auromatically makes your statement objectively wrong.
The problem with modern MEDIA has is the saturation. With increase of demand increases the quantity of production wich leads to an increase on the volume of uninspired products but that doesnt necesarely the lack or decrease of good products.
People that only focuss on triple A say that video games suck now, then remember that dark souls, witcher, hollow knight, doom 2016, brotherw a tale of two sons, Bastion, Pyre, Undertale, FF XIV, Breath of thr Wild and many other great games have come in the last decade.
Think about the last film that resonated with you, then think about how many uninspired blockbusters were realesed in the middle
Between the volume of production and the lack of information, it was easy to find gems since anything that wasnt up to standard was quickly forgotten and often that meant the west would never even see it.
@@sinew1000 The most boomer comment i ever read
@@philo2189 A moot point being that anime barely existed outside of Japan in 80s and 90s.
They said the word "like" more often than the number of hentai doujins I've seen.
I love that the default anime to shit on for echii is 7 deadly sins because meleodis gropes his wife of 3000 years..... It does come off as werid in sesson 1 but does make a lot of sense by the end (and at no point does he ever grope another character only his wife)
The issue with the Meliodas hate is they act like that's all his character is when Connor and Joey didn't even watch or read it and base their thoughts on what Garnt said and Garnt only remembers the first time he watched episode 1 nearly fucking 10 years ago. If they actually gave it a chance, even just the manga and got past the few times meliodas gropes her in the first arc, they'd see its not even that bad. I love the boys but they have some takes that just don't reasonably stand up anymore.
My issue is the animation quality for the anime went downhill so bad from what ive seen...
@@WeebSenpai2431 I think their takes dont stand up anymore because they dont really give animes a solid go. They think of it as more of a hassle than just going into it and immersing themselves in it. I get that at one point the watched it as their main job so it burnt them out but they should honestly reset their mindset about it and actually try watching shows with an open mind and stop thinking about the show too much while watching and then after the episode is over think about what they watched. Its what I do and Ive been watching anime for just about as long if not longer than them and still enjoy it.
I think the best way to describe Psycho-pass is that it's about law enforcement in an Orwellian society, having read 1984 much later on I was surprised just how much of an example of such a world within our modern trajectory the show paints, and does it better than any other media I remember watching
Also, in Death Note Light is essentially the villain and only became so because he got some powers and has a massive ego so the criticisms about him are kinda the point of his character I guess, would be useful to mention that if someone didn't get past a few episodes of the show
We need to have anime conversations. Hmu