What Does it Cost to Shoot on Film? | 16mm

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  • @filmstockreel
    @filmstockreel 2 роки тому +21

    Love the content man. Keep it up. I'd love to see some footage shot on your 16mm camera. How to shoot with 16mm, how to color grade or work with footage shot on 16 or what you do after everything is scanned and processed.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +4

      Thanks for the feedback! I will definitely be sharing more footage and getting into the on set process in future videos! I’m planning to get some more film once it’s in stock and put together a small shoot to show some of the differences in stocks.
      The post process is similar to digital, in some cases I find it even easier. I will share about that in another video as well!
      Thanks for watching!

    • @PaigeOnePictures
      @PaigeOnePictures 2 роки тому +3

      I’m also interested in how you color grade.

  • @DyenamicFilms
    @DyenamicFilms 2 роки тому +62

    When I used to shoot on film, Kodak was generous with giving out 'test rolls' for free (this was back in the 90's). When I first asked for a couple 'test rolls', I was expecting a 100' roll, but was surprised when they sent 400' rolls. This gave me an idea. What if I asked friends and family to help 'invest' in a film not with money, but by simply calling up Kodak, pretending you're a student or 'indie filmmaker' and asking for two test rolls, then send those rolls to me. It worked. I got 20 rolls that way.
    Just one of the tricks you had to do when you had no money. I only did this once. I didn't want to abuse it. Not sure if Kodak is still as generous these days.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +12

      Wow! Indie film hustle thinking! Haha don’t know if you’d be able to get away with that today!

    • @Ashfielder
      @Ashfielder 2 роки тому +6

      If you tried that today they’d probably send you an angry letter and make you pay the postage.

    • @DyenamicFilms
      @DyenamicFilms 2 роки тому +3

      @@nkosiroma You do what you got to do.

    • @DyenamicFilms
      @DyenamicFilms 2 роки тому +4

      @@Ashfielder I made sure the calls were spread out over time for each person asking. You don't have everyone call on the same day. I don't think Kodak would make the connection that it's all for one person/project.

    • @TinLeadHammer
      @TinLeadHammer 2 роки тому +4

      What would God say about that?

  • @tomeksikora87
    @tomeksikora87 2 роки тому +13

    I shot a few shorts on 16 mm and 35 mm (as a director) and it was a great experience. Cool to see an artist with such passion for film! Hope to see more of your work in the future.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +2

      That’s awesome! It’s a fun format. Thanks for watching!

  • @oniriscope
    @oniriscope 2 роки тому +10

    Wow what a timing!
    Just watched the video where you just bought your dream camera!
    Great to have you review this format I’d really love to see your post production process.
    Love the aesthetic keep killing this!

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks for watching!
      I’m very exciting to share about the post process as I believe it will surprise people in it’s simplicity.
      Thanks again!

  • @austinmatthew-san4042
    @austinmatthew-san4042 Рік тому +2

    Thank you for the breakdown!

  • @grillman7170
    @grillman7170 7 місяців тому +2

    Film forces you to get better because you tire quickly of paying for bad shots.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  6 місяців тому +1

      Absolutely agree.

  • @edwardcrockett
    @edwardcrockett 2 роки тому +2

    Bro I just found your channel from this video and I love it! so sick!

  • @KidRondeau
    @KidRondeau 10 місяців тому +2

    LOVE THIS, thank you.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  10 місяців тому

      You are so welcome!

  • @smokey213964
    @smokey213964 2 роки тому +1

    Hey man I really appreciate you posting this. Its great information!

  • @Allaboutstory
    @Allaboutstory 2 роки тому +2

    In 2022, I hardly see anyone who is actually shooting on film roll. In the age of Digital 16mm is like outdated but the texture. Texture is the part I think digital is still not able to manage it. You are making so good video. It's not content it's Art.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      It’s still rare, but slowly coming back into popularity! The texture of film is undeniable! Thanks for watching!

  • @bfielding91
    @bfielding91 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for this man. So helpful, well produced, and direct, no fluff.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @CentralFloridaBigfoot
    @CentralFloridaBigfoot 2 роки тому +2

    Excellent. Thank you for the breakdown for it's been a little while for me. Jumping back in. Nice job on this - I've watched several of your UA-cams now. :0)

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      So awesome. Best of luck!

  • @HonJazzz
    @HonJazzz 2 роки тому +2

    Great breakdown! It’s important to understand the costs before going into it. Bring this out for the right project and pass the costs on to the client.

    • @jaimeduncan6167
      @jaimeduncan6167 2 роки тому

      Yep and re shoots are almost mandatory, you ain’t gonna get 11 minutes from your 11 minutes of film. Also what about b-roll ?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Most definitely!!

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +2

      @@jaimeduncan6167 Whether film or digital, reshoots can be avoided with good planning.
      That’s correct, you will likely cut down an edit from the footage you shot, so if you just have one roll, 11 minutes, your Final Cut will be shorter than that.
      Depending on what you shoot, B-roll may or
      may not be necessary. I think film is best for well-rehearsed projects, that way you can keep costs down by knowing exactly what you’re shooting.

    • @jaimeduncan6167
      @jaimeduncan6167 2 роки тому +1

      @@nkosiroma I agree that good planning can do a lot to mitigate multiple takes. And one can go with a. "good enough" police. But in general, it's unlikely that all the scenes will be crafted to the director's vision in a single take. Now all your tips for the selection of the project are valid and helpful. And I am not saying that film does not have it's place, all the contrary. I am insisting on being prepared to the costs exactly because I believe in film as a medium.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      I think my mixup is in the difference between a re-shoot, and multiple takes. Re-shoots refer to additional shoot days after principle photography has wrapped. Multiple takes, on the other hand is typical of any production and should be considered when in pre-production.
      I do agree though, film is just a different medium and right for certain projects. I’d especially like to push for it when there’s a large enough budget to comfortably cover it!

  • @kimkrohnberle
    @kimkrohnberle 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for all of these well produced tutorials. Appreciated! Keep em coming.

  • @Garritspeiss
    @Garritspeiss 2 роки тому +1

    This is awesome man! You’re really good at these videos

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      Thanks Garrit! Appreciate that!

  • @matricida1
    @matricida1 2 роки тому +2

    tnks men

  • @maliputyouon
    @maliputyouon 2 роки тому +2

    Love the vid bro

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks a lot! 🙏🏽

  • @chaserickaby5024
    @chaserickaby5024 2 роки тому +1

    Great concept for this channel. Not many out there yet. Looking forward to seeing more! Sub'd.

  • @anubratsahoo1351
    @anubratsahoo1351 2 роки тому +1

    How do u develop at edit them,pls make a video

  • @zbyszek_pitorowski
    @zbyszek_pitorowski 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the video!

  • @jackbynum
    @jackbynum 2 роки тому +1

    Great content, keep it up man!

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks a lot!! Will do! 🙏🏽

  • @Statuskuo75
    @Statuskuo75 2 роки тому +2

    if you shoot Tri-X BE SURE to ask if they process reversal. some places dont.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for the tip! I'll be sure to avoid this issue!

  • @999yuiop
    @999yuiop 3 місяці тому

    Great video Nkosi! I just bought myself an SR2 and I was wondering where you got your accessories from? Like the gimbal, shoulder rig, tripod, follow focus, etc.? Do you need a specific tripod for how heavy the SR2 is?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 місяці тому +1

      I get accessories from a variety of places. I but local from friends and use FB marketplace as well as source things from eBay, Amazon, B&H etc. Some specialty stuff for the SR I got from boutique shops while searching for SR specific accessories. Just check the weight limit for your tripod head and sticks and you'll be fine!

    • @999yuiop
      @999yuiop 2 місяці тому

      @@nkosiroma Thanks!

  • @AaronCabreroJr
    @AaronCabreroJr Рік тому +2

    Great info! Thank you so much! I’m curios if there’s any websites you recommend or know of any great places in San Diego or Los Angeles for processing 16mm film and scanning thank you 🙏😇

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  Рік тому +2

      I typically send my color negative scans to Kodak ATL, but have worked with Pro8mm and Spectra in LA. Check out my Questions about film vid, I talk about some other options as well.

  • @dalemettee1147
    @dalemettee1147 10 місяців тому

    Thanks Nkosi, you just answered my first question. Now suppose you want to add sound.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  9 місяців тому

      You need to record audio separately and sync it up with a slate during production so you can line it up in post!

  • @doctorstrobe
    @doctorstrobe Рік тому +1

    I was wondering: does UA-cam compression algorithm distort the aspect of grain/texture?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  Рік тому +1

      I haven't done any tests on this to confirm definitely, but I notice a difference in quality after UA-cam compression. That's while I try to upload in 4k whenever possible for any 16mm scans to mitigate some of that compression.

  • @diegofjedi
    @diegofjedi 2 роки тому +2

    Just bcs ur content ur gonna make popular in the youtube video word. Ma men I'm here when u r 566 subs

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you man! Appreciate the support!!

  • @ActionSapiens
    @ActionSapiens 2 роки тому +1

    great content!! so unique :) Thank you so much for sharing this.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      Thank you for checking it out!!

  • @johnpaulurizar
    @johnpaulurizar 2 роки тому +1

    Great video . I would love to see your exposure method for different lighting scenes. Reflective, Incident and spot readings.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching! Great suggestion, that could be an interesting video to make!

  • @brown2840
    @brown2840 2 роки тому +2

    Do you have to use different film if the lighting condition is different? I guess what I'm asking is abut ISO. How would you shoot in lower light vs bright daylight? Can it be done with the same roll of film?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +2

      Film stock is rated at different “iso” values indicated by the number on the can, 50D, 250D, 500T, etc. -The letter indicates whether it’s Daylight (5600k) or Tungsten (3200k) color balanced.
      As far as varying light values and scenarios, you can use neutral density filters to cut light coming into the lens if it’s too bright, and you can use artificial lights such as LEDs to raise the level on darker areas.
      There is work required to shoot properly exposed footage in multiple lighting conditions without having to change film stocks, but it is a cinematographer’s job to shape and manipulate light for the scene regardless of the format!

    • @brown2840
      @brown2840 2 роки тому +2

      @@nkosiroma thanks for that explanation! Keep up the great work :)

  • @spooky_leftist
    @spooky_leftist Рік тому +1

    a lab near me will bundle 10 rolls w/ processing and a 4k scan for $6000

  • @ClassicalRips
    @ClassicalRips 2 роки тому +2

    Have you ever used NegativeLand for developing/scanning? Any thoughts on their results?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      Sorry for the delay! I haven’t used negative land before so I can’t say anything either for or against. I know they use the laser graphics scan station just like the guy I get my scans from, so on that front, you should get good results!

  • @PaigeOnePictures
    @PaigeOnePictures 2 роки тому +3

    I believe it’s slightly cheaper/faster to send your film directly to Video & Film Solutions (they’re next door to Colorlab and do the actual developing).

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      To my knowledge, Colorlab and Video Film Solutions are essentially operating as the same entity. If you check Video and Film Solutions’ website, and click on their processing services, it will reroute you to Colorlab’s website.
      The whole process of sending film in feels outdated to me, hoping to see some website improvements for more clarity and ease of use, especially for those newer to film like me!

    • @jazlusion
      @jazlusion 2 роки тому +1

      I live near their store. It’s the same people running colorlab. They work together under one.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      @@jazlusion thanks for the further clarification!

  • @sophiajuarez6031
    @sophiajuarez6031 2 роки тому +1

    but what about home scanning and developing what that cost me? like equipment and developing chemicals.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      I can't chime in here as I don't have experience home developing motion picture film. From my knowledge its much more complicated to process and scan your own motion picture film at home, unlike with still film.

  • @SoccerAddictttt
    @SoccerAddictttt 2 роки тому +1

    Where do you get recans and/or short ends?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Check eBay and Facebook Marketplace, otherwise connecting with some people who shoot film is your best bet, they usually have some laying around!

  • @tonystellato
    @tonystellato 2 роки тому +2

    Hey Nkosi, wild that you’d pop up on my UA-cam home page, I’m pretty sure the job I’ve been working this past year hired you for a documentary shoot last fall. Let me know if I’m wrong. Love to see you working film, though, and would love to connect. Always looking for some dope film shooters!

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      That is wild, man! I remember the shoot!
      I appreciate you watching and commenting! Feel free to shoot me an email-you should still have my contact!

  • @BlaineWestropp1
    @BlaineWestropp1 2 роки тому +3

    Well, now I need an SR2

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      A worthy investment! 😆

  • @ThePodcastStudioMiltonKeynes
    @ThePodcastStudioMiltonKeynes 2 роки тому +1

    Dang bro! So do you add like $1000 to a client shoots budget just to count for what you would lose in doing all that before and after?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +2

      Forgive me if I’m not correctly answering your question, but for the most part, film costs are billed as an expense just like camera rental, lenses, lighting, audio, (etc) on a digital production.
      Before shooting, I determine with the client how many rolls will be needed (including process and scan from the lab) and factor that cost into the budget. After the film is processed and scanned, the post workflow is quite similar to digital and often requires even less work!

  • @HunterMann
    @HunterMann 2 роки тому

    Such a well-made tutorial! In all seriousness I want to ask, did you consider shooting this instructional piece on 16mm instead of video?

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому

      Thanks a lot! I would love to shoot everything on 16, but I’m so bad at talking to camera it would be so expensive to shoot any of these YT videos on film 😅

  • @secretsquirrel6718
    @secretsquirrel6718 Рік тому +4

    I may be in the minority opinion group but the costs are alot less than what I would have thought. It's very reasonable in alot of respects.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  Рік тому +2

      The cost really isn't bad for a quality cinematic format. It increases pretty linearly based on how much footage is shot, so there's a benefit to meticulous planning. I've shot a few low budget projects on just 1-2 400' rolls and I'm always impressed with how focused the work is with limited recording time.

  • @A002.
    @A002. 2 роки тому +1

    how much did you pay for your sr2?

  • @emberseye3059
    @emberseye3059 2 роки тому +1

    Really cool videos man! I have used regular 8mm, but I am curious to try 16mm. Any affordable cameras I should look into? Love the old Arriflex but they are pricey on eBay. Lol. Thanks you.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      I haven't shot on any other 16mm cameras, but I know the Bolex Reflex models are nice, and I've seen great things out of the Krasnogorsk 3 (K3) cameras as well! They are probably the most popular budget friendly options.

    • @emberseye3059
      @emberseye3059 2 роки тому +1

      @@nkosiroma awesome. Thank you. I look forward to seeing what you make next.

  • @VariTimo
    @VariTimo 2 роки тому +1

    I don’t think a $100 saving is worth shooting expired film. I’m not too big on getting 4K scans if it only goes out to the web but I think shooting fresh film is important to have a consistent product to lern with. It also keeps the medium alive.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Have you shot expired film? Sure, it's not as clean as fresh stock, but it's still a really nice look, ESPECIALLY with a 4k scan. I'd also argue web-based content looks better when starting from 4k as you will lose some quality due to compression.
      The film industry exists in multiple parts, not just fresh film stock sales, albeit that's likely the most important. Without labs and telecine services, the industry doesn't run! So whether you shoot fresh or expired film, it all helps keep the medium alive and well.

    • @VariTimo
      @VariTimo 2 роки тому +2

      @@nkosiroma I agree that the analog film industry is more than just Kodak and film production but as someone who’s shot expired film, I’d only do that if it would be completely prohibitive to shoot fresh film.
      You’re also right about the compression being better in 4K, but you don’t have to originate in 4K to upload in 4K for the web. A 2K scan upscaled to 4K will probably look even better on UA-cam since well defined grain is something UA-cam struggles with even in 4K.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      @@VariTimo I agree with most of your points here! I think the more options we have in regard to shooting film, the better!

    • @johnkaplun9619
      @johnkaplun9619 11 місяців тому

      ​@@nkosiroma I gave up on expired film (as a medium format stills shooter mind you) because I found a) the prices have gotten ridiculous and some people are now asking more than the fresh film and b) the results were totally unpredictable. Some times hard to distinguish from fresh film, other time 100% unuseable.
      I would also say, to the part about keeping film alive, that if the desire is to shoot on film and shooting older stock is the difference between being on film or not, obviously go with the shortends/expired. I also have an analog tape studio and tape media has similar prohibitively expensive cost (~$375 for a 2 inch reel is about 30 minutes of multi track recording, not including mixdown tape). I alway want to support the tape manufacturers who are now smapl businesses, but here I will always go to use a $100 used reel if it mean we get to stay analog. Its a no-brainer.

  • @LFPAnimations
    @LFPAnimations Рік тому +1

    One cost to consider here is the cost of film vs the cost of a good colorist to replicate film for digital. 16mm will probably be the cheaper option.

    • @TheHer00ne
      @TheHer00ne Рік тому

      You cant replicate film 100% and thats the problem.

  • @oleggritsev
    @oleggritsev 2 роки тому +3

    it is good but why reason use film? it is old school and colors not clear. Better use any modern digital camera.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +3

      This is a good question! It’s a debate that’s been going on forever. Film vs Digital. I like to think of it like a painter chooses paints and a canvas. Neither is better than the other, they’re just different. It’s up to the artist to determine which tools are right for the work they aim to create.
      I’ll be making a video down the line directly comparing film and digital to share in on the differences. I think you may be surprised to see how well the colors come through in film. Digital sensors on modern cinema cameras have evolved from film and have been designed to try and reproduce the look and qualities of film.

    • @oleggritsev
      @oleggritsev 2 роки тому +3

      @@nkosiroma I have experience in film photography and filming on negative and reversible film. and I understand that the film has color layers filters, but they are chemical and passive and the color range is limited. Аnd there are distortions in the rendering of color. A color mask is even introduced into the film layers to correct the color rendering. Of course, a big plus is that the film has a large dynamic range and then everything can be adjusted during development and scanning. When shooting digitally, you can set any profile and get the same film like Fuji or Kodak. The colors in digital camera shooting are cleaner and color range wider however the film has a bit of a veil of colors, it's inevitable. Also, film costs more than digital photography. but if you shoot on film, then you need to show films movie on a old style film projector. That's when it will be real! And so if you scan the film, it turns out that then you still use a digital matrix in film scanner to convert to a digit.This is already a double conversion and we lose in quality. Where is the logic? It is better to shoot with a digital camera right away. Again, the film has a grain then better use 70 mm film and it more expensive. IMAX have 70 mm film standard and it have close to 8k resolution. 35 mm have 4k resolution and again 24 frames per second!!! Why? digital can shoot up to 60 or even 120 FPS! Also, film cameras do not have optical stabilization. Any way it is good for you to try if you want. We will be waiting for new videos. Thank you.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +3

      @@oleggritsev I Believe each medium has its place! Digital is definitely more flexible, and I agree on that point. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

    • @oleggritsev
      @oleggritsev 2 роки тому +2

      @@nkosiroma Of course, everything has its place. You're doing a good job. I will be happy to follow your new video. I am your subscriber! Thanks.

  • @oldowl4290
    @oldowl4290 5 місяців тому +1

    That's a lotta cheeze for 11 minutes of sleaze lol.

  • @MrForestExplorer
    @MrForestExplorer 2 роки тому +1

    TBH, seems like it's not worth it. Particularly because you can emulate it digitally to the extent that no one would be able to tell the difference.

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +1

      Having extensively tested and experimented with emulating film digitally, I can still tell the difference between most videos shot on real film vs emulations... There's a certain quality to film that's hard to deny once you've been exposed to it.
      There ARE professionals who can create very accurate emulations out there, but they won't come cheap.

  • @jaimeduncan6167
    @jaimeduncan6167 2 роки тому +1

    And that is with zero re-shoots and no b- roll

    • @nkosiroma
      @nkosiroma  2 роки тому +2

      That is the cost of one roll of 400’ film! You can basically just multiply that cost by the number of rolls you anticipate you need based on things like shooting ratios and shot complexities.