Hey Neil! Since you like to experiment with various techniques, may I come with a suggestion? Your leg power. Right now, you almost completely jump over your trail leg and land into your brace. And this is my uneducated guess-opinion watching ballgolf coaching for inspiration on forces with vectors, not as efficient. When you come in like that, your throw is very dependent on lateral force, coming in fast, and after the brace, that you are able to explode upwards. You have very little room for creating rotational force between the lateral and vertical forces. And your leg isn't really loaded for creating a lot of rotational force. Rotational force is initiated by inner hip rotation of the trail leg. So, in the xstep, try to sit into the back leg and then reach out with your front leg. But you need to get into a balanced and loaded position. You need to really stand on the backleg slightly squatted. I think you will do it naturally if you put yourself in the right positions and just feel where you are most explosive, so I'm not going to go deeper into that (no pun intended). Look at Kristian Kuoksa and his video Fieldwork. There are some nice angles there to watch his form. Now, he goes down VERY deep, but I think it has alot to do with his short limbs.
I’ve hit my high speeds with slow walk ups before so I was probably doing more of that then. I’m focusing on some other coiling stuff now so I’ll go back to a slower walk up and try this too.
Here's the one, def looks like my back leg is bent more / crouching into it mostly because I don't have as much forward momentum to glide over it. Was still a bit of a fast walkup but not a runup: ua-cam.com/video/a94MD1-SKSw/v-deo.htmlsi=3HoG_3dTri-f2KbZ
@@stepwise-dg Yes, you are definitely sitting into it ever so subtly. It doesn't take much I have noticed. Looking at the other ones you can see that your centre of mass has already started falling forward, so you have nothing left to sit into. So, the faster you go, the more of an angle you need to land into the xstep. I have done some homemade exercise since have a new baby in the house and haven't gotten out that much in a couple of months. So I xstep faster and faster and I try to land on the xstep on one leg and stop there in perfect balance to exaggerate it and see how much force I can take. I'll add a link to a video with Kuoksa and his coach Merelä where they talk about things like this. And looking at the ballgolf "science" of the backhand and trying out the feels of it, I would say this is more efficient. I did hit the field the other day with some putters just to feel it out and go almost deeper than I felt comfortable with in a 2step. And not only do I get more control of the lines, but when I hit the sweet spot it's just easy distance and power. ua-cam.com/video/sqKfdxQ8Kb4/v-deo.htmlsi=loKq4eWXz6P0KvrS
This is what I was saying to you about the efficient speed/nose/launch. You had a 67mph throw that was -10 nose but only went 387 vs later you had a 64mph with -5.3 nose that went 415.
Calvin Heimburg reachback stuff was very interesting though. It's not as different as it looks, it's just a bit of internal rotation away from already being in a good pocket position and it looks higher / more externally rotated due to the elbow being bent and side-bend during coiling. Trying to keep the elbow more bent makes you realize how much of a distraction elbow extension kinda is because you end up focusing on other, more important things like coiling and scapular protraction--put your elbow against the outward corner of a wall or on a doorframe and then full scapular protraction, then rotate your torso to the right and feel the deep stretch but the shoulder doesn't collapse horizontally like it easily does if you repeat with scapular retraction.
@@stepwise-dg Yeah based on my analysis of Calvin it looks like he keeps the disc at the 90-90 position on his coil and swings it through the power pocket. He leverages the pendulum of his throwing shoulder to his elbow and the pendulum of his head to his hips to take advantage of gravity, then explodes through using his insane brace
Hey Neil! Since you like to experiment with various techniques, may I come with a suggestion?
Your leg power. Right now, you almost completely jump over your trail leg and land into your brace. And this is my uneducated guess-opinion watching ballgolf coaching for inspiration on forces with vectors, not as efficient.
When you come in like that, your throw is very dependent on lateral force, coming in fast, and after the brace, that you are able to explode upwards. You have very little room for creating rotational force between the lateral and vertical forces. And your leg isn't really loaded for creating a lot of rotational force. Rotational force is initiated by inner hip rotation of the trail leg.
So, in the xstep, try to sit into the back leg and then reach out with your front leg. But you need to get into a balanced and loaded position. You need to really stand on the backleg slightly squatted.
I think you will do it naturally if you put yourself in the right positions and just feel where you are most explosive, so I'm not going to go deeper into that (no pun intended).
Look at Kristian Kuoksa and his video Fieldwork. There are some nice angles there to watch his form. Now, he goes down VERY deep, but I think it has alot to do with his short limbs.
I’ve hit my high speeds with slow walk ups before so I was probably doing more of that then. I’m focusing on some other coiling stuff now so I’ll go back to a slower walk up and try this too.
Here's the one, def looks like my back leg is bent more / crouching into it mostly because I don't have as much forward momentum to glide over it. Was still a bit of a fast walkup but not a runup: ua-cam.com/video/a94MD1-SKSw/v-deo.htmlsi=3HoG_3dTri-f2KbZ
@@stepwise-dg Yes, you are definitely sitting into it ever so subtly. It doesn't take much I have noticed. Looking at the other ones you can see that your centre of mass has already started falling forward, so you have nothing left to sit into.
So, the faster you go, the more of an angle you need to land into the xstep. I have done some homemade exercise since have a new baby in the house and haven't gotten out that much in a couple of months. So I xstep faster and faster and I try to land on the xstep on one leg and stop there in perfect balance to exaggerate it and see how much force I can take.
I'll add a link to a video with Kuoksa and his coach Merelä where they talk about things like this. And looking at the ballgolf "science" of the backhand and trying out the feels of it, I would say this is more efficient.
I did hit the field the other day with some putters just to feel it out and go almost deeper than I felt comfortable with in a 2step. And not only do I get more control of the lines, but when I hit the sweet spot it's just easy distance and power.
ua-cam.com/video/sqKfdxQ8Kb4/v-deo.htmlsi=loKq4eWXz6P0KvrS
This is what I was saying to you about the efficient speed/nose/launch. You had a 67mph throw that was -10 nose but only went 387 vs later you had a 64mph with -5.3 nose that went 415.
Yeah of course. -10 could go same distance at same speed if its launch angle was high enough.
Sooo, what did you learn?
too much to keep track of 🤣
Calvin Heimburg reachback stuff was very interesting though. It's not as different as it looks, it's just a bit of internal rotation away from already being in a good pocket position and it looks higher / more externally rotated due to the elbow being bent and side-bend during coiling. Trying to keep the elbow more bent makes you realize how much of a distraction elbow extension kinda is because you end up focusing on other, more important things like coiling and scapular protraction--put your elbow against the outward corner of a wall or on a doorframe and then full scapular protraction, then rotate your torso to the right and feel the deep stretch but the shoulder doesn't collapse horizontally like it easily does if you repeat with scapular retraction.
@@stepwise-dg Yeah based on my analysis of Calvin it looks like he keeps the disc at the 90-90 position on his coil and swings it through the power pocket. He leverages the pendulum of his throwing shoulder to his elbow and the pendulum of his head to his hips to take advantage of gravity, then explodes through using his insane brace