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Found it. Her first tip. m.ua-cam.com/video/foYvNx5XozY/v-deo.html

@@brianc1651 holyn handley has a protiptuesday reel on IG mentioning to ‘bear hug’ in the pocket.

@@aylarue1536 let me know how it feels when you try it! I had to revisit it / put extra focus on it multiple times to feel like I really started taking advantage of it.

I think it could help with that but it all depends of course on what other issues you have and how you practice to break and form habits. For example, if you don’t coil or brace well, you might not feel like you get power without arming the disc, so this might not help a lot in that case since you don’t have power from other places. However, if your coiling and bracing is decent then I think this could help feel less need to arm the disc, but to actually break the habit you’d still need a lot of practice probably. Like throwing slow lots of reps with this scapular protraction feeling and gradually increasing the speed until you can do the new form at higher speeds. Side note, I think if the arm is in a good position, trying to arm the disc for BH isn’t all that dangerous if it’s not already damaged / limited. I don’t really feel that much added strain when I’ve tested more arming cues for a while, but if your elbow is pinned to down and to the side then arming the disc is cranking way too much on external rotation. And if your arm is injured / limited then you may still need PT and training even if you fix form.

Thank you for the very thoughtful and thorough response. It gives me some things to consider!

Good to hear. How did it feel different in your swings when you tried it?

Oh sick I’ll, check that Luke Taylor vid. Can’t wait to see more of him in the upcoming seasons.

@ Yea check it out and tell me what you think. I screen recorded it so I could slow it down even more. When you freeze it on his pull through you can really really see it.

Thanks. “I’ll be protracting my scapula tomorrow” 🤣 Let me know how it feels.

BTW: no I have not heard this explained so fundamentally.

It’s from ikea. Large sit stand electric. Not sure if they still have this model. Not seeing it.

Yeah you probably just gotta do lots of reps at that slow speed where you are able to do it to build up the muscle memory and then only slightly increased the speed and do lots of reps again and keep repeating that progression until you start having problems, then go 1 step down in speed and do more reps. That’s the most reliable method I feel like to introduce a new form change, but sometimes you get lucky or have a good coach that can find a cue that really connects with you and get faster results. Check out my vid a few back ‘experimental collapse cues’ where I try some stuff related to this on a friend. Perhaps having the visual markers (discs lined up on floor to think about a wider protracted swing path line to follow) might help.

If it’s true that you shouldn’t have as much of it later in advanced form I think it’s still a useful step for feeling how to create space, and like I said in the vid. I’ve focused on it a lot all the way up to 69.7mph so it’s been enough for 500 feet for me, but maybe beyond that I’d have not be so strict with it.

Seems to be diff in one hand bh topspin swings where horizontal collapse is pretty normal and doesn’t seem to be an issue. I have a short pickleball 1HBH topspin swing comparison a few vids back and I have some initial horizontal collapse in pickleball. When warming up with the pickleball paddle for DG though I try to swing more like my DG throw though.

Where does the appearance of a rounded upper back during the pocket come from if there's no protraction in the pocket?

Maybe this issue is more present in players who aren't starting out protracted. As someone with a weak spot in this area, I think I'm not even doing that. So my arm never goes from protracted to retracted at the shoulder in any part of the throw. Maybe there needs to be that transition to make this work.

Coach: What is "change in direction" here? My apologies for not knowing the answer. Is that going from backswing to swing? Or is this something mid-swing. Say going from in to out. Thank you in advance!

@@NickCarroll what I’m trying to emphasize is to focus on the timing of upper arm horizontal abduction from the beginning of the pull. David Wiggins barely gets to even 90° from pull to power pocket. His horizontal abduction is happening from the instant he applies force. He goes from near 90° to 150° at release. GG is about 165°. Get your arm moving faster than your shoulders can rotate. Make it feel like it is leading your shoulders.

@@coach_chris_taylor Awesome, thank you!

Yeah that’s why I mentioned that bit about if you learn stuff intuitive you might not even realize you are doing it, which is probably the case with many pros. Definitely heard nick and blitz talk about it directly, but usually it seems like when it comes up it’s more indirect like ‘make space’ or a drill that may get you to do it but it’s usually not very directly focused on with a lot of attention.

Good luck! Let me know how it goes even if it’s a struggle. As always, when actually starting to throw with it, it will probably take lots of lower power reps to get used to it and build the new muscle memory depending on how used to changing form you are. This definitely helped me break 400 for the first time and then I felt like I had learned the lesson, but upon focusing extra on it again it helped again to get me more consistently throwing 400 and touching 450. Of course I’ve worked on many other things but it was one of the most important for me since the rest of my form was already decent.

@@disc-golf-neil I think this is really one crucial thing. The connection between the strong body muscles and the disc... Never really paid attention to this. I try to implement your nose down tips, too! I mean, somehow it has to be possible to throw 500..! Its insane, on how much thing you can concentrate, when u try to fix your form... your videos really give valuebale inspirations!

This is interesting video. I feel most control this way, but it seems everyone is talking about arming the disc and getting arm through first. Various cues such as delaying/stopping off shoulder, arm disc ahead of shoulders, but this video if I’m understanding is saying protract, plant, rotate body and protraction and rotation move disc?

@@julianseyal I think what I’m saying in this vid is can still be compatible with getting the arm ahead of the rotation. This mostly address how you can have some initial ‘lag’ that instead of collapsing and having the arm get stuck behind, you get a deeper stretch and no collapse and then after that initial rotation has happened and you are coming into a good spacious power pocket you can try aim to be more closed with the chest / shoulders not swinging open too far ahead and instead having the arm go ahead and focusing on abduction. I mentioned in the pulley exercise section that at higher weights you do have to start driving the elbow across the chest so that was kind of eluding to this. The biggest part to me is how to get a good stretch and survive the initial forces to get into a good pocket without collapse.

Appreciate it! I think at least part of the reason I get more speed with anhyzer is because anny posture makes me want to raise my arm higher so I end up with a better elbow up position. Lately I’ve been trying to actively raise my arm during pull through to be higher when throwing on hyzer and then got a new speed PR.

I almost made that exact video but was lazy and posted a 20s video on the forums showing the motion of pouring a heavy laundry detergent and basically said that pour the coffee would be a good cue if it was more about that, or maybe it used to be about that and got lost in telephone translate over the years. Cool to see that Cam also thought about the same thing in parallel!

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did my reply with my email go through? not sure if YT removes it or something.

@disc-golf-neil yea I didn't see it Neil! They must automatically remove it. Do you have IG

@ yeah disc_neil on ig Or you can look at my yt account page and view my email address there.

I was trying to get lower on the back leg a bit here and in previous sessions which should help keep weight lower down and more easily behind the brace, but it probably caused me to also get lower overall on the front leg too. Just took a look at kuoksa and see him getting pretty low in the back leg but by the time the brace lands the brace knee isn’t very bent. I tried a few weeks ago a longer brace stride and felt a little discomfort in the front hip so I’ll probably have to try it some more on lower power to work up to it.

@disc-golf-neil Kuoksa is interesting. But look at his legs. He is not human and can power up where we mortals can't I think. So, I think his comfort zone is low because he is just very strong in the legs. I mean. He hit 90mph on xstep. Doesn't matter if if was 130g disc. That is insane. Anyway. I'm not running a channel here on youtube, so everything I do is not as open as your work. But if you look at my latest loop video. Does it look like I am pushing off the front leg? I do believe I can get even more power pushing even harder from the front leg to get more vertical force. But looking at the leg. It's almost static. I am pushing though. Hard. But I am pushing with both legs just as I feel my weight is even between the two legs. Imagine you were preparing to jump. Would you land on the front leg first and then jump, or would you set yourself up to jump with both legs? I "stole" this idea directly from ballgolf power driving. Jump twist. But it only works if you set yourself up properly in the xstep. Which I noticed worked perfectly when imitating Kuoksa. I also already had the feels from before in the standstill. Something you can see in one of my shorts where I'm in my shorts😋 I sit down and stand up explosively and hit 68mph and it feels like nothing.

@@disc-golf-neil Another tip. If you feel like you straighten your back leg before landing into the xstep, you should also feel that your body wants to coil when you sit into the leg. Almost like the leg is a hydrolic for your coil. At least it's a good timing que for me.

@@disc-golf-neil AI response on the kinetic sequence of the legs: Certainly! Let's break down the kinetic sequence in the legs during a powerful golf swing in great detail: ### 1. Backswing - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **External Rotation**: As the golfer takes the club back, the back leg externally rotates to store energy. The golfer's weight shifts onto the inside of the back foot. - **Loading**: The back leg supports the majority of the golfer's weight, creating a stable base. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Internal Rotation**: The front leg internally rotates slightly. - **Light Loading**: The front leg bears less weight but remains engaged to maintain balance. ### 2. Transition (Top of Backswing to Start of Downswing) - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Initiation of Internal Rotation**: The back leg starts to internally rotate, initiating the downswing. This rotation helps to generate torque. - **Shift of Weight**: The weight begins to transfer from the back leg to the front leg. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Brace and Support**: The front leg braces itself to prepare for the incoming weight transfer. - **Stabilization**: The front leg stabilizes, creating a firm post for the hips to rotate around. ### 3. Downswing - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Continued Internal Rotation**: The back leg continues to internally rotate, driving the hip rotation. - **Push-Off**: There is a push-off action from the back leg, helping to transfer energy up the kinetic chain. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Absorption of Weight**: The front leg absorbs the weight shift from the back leg. - **Extension (Push-Up)**: The front leg pushes up and back, straightening slightly. This action aids in rotating the pelvis and generating more clubhead speed. ### 4. Impact - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Stabilization**: At impact, the back leg stabilizes, providing a strong base. - **Support**: The back foot remains grounded to support the overall balance and stability of the golfer. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Full Extension**: The front leg is almost fully extended, helping to maximize the hip rotation and clubhead speed. - **Anchor Point**: The front leg acts as an anchor, allowing the upper body to rotate around it. ### 5. Follow-Through - **Back Leg (Trail Leg)** - **Release**: The back leg may release some of its tension as the swing completes. - **Rotation**: The back foot might lift slightly off the ground, following the rotation of the hips. - **Front Leg (Lead Leg)** - **Balancing Act**: The front leg helps maintain balance as the golfer completes the follow-through. - **Stabilization**: The front leg continues to stabilize the golfer, preventing them from falling forward. ### Forces Involved - **Torque**: The internal and external rotations of the legs create torque, which is a critical force in generating power. - **Ground Reaction Force (GRF)**: Both legs interact with the ground to generate GRF, which is the force exerted by the ground back onto the body. This force helps to propel the golfer upwards and forwards. - **Push and Pull**: The push from the back leg and the pull from the front leg work together to create a dynamic and powerful movement. This sequence ensures that the energy generated from the legs travels up through the body, resulting in a powerful and efficient golf swing. The coordination and timing of these movements are crucial for achieving optimal performance. Let me know if you need further details or have any other questions!

Yeah that’s very similar to this! Out in out can still be useful but I fear it may contribute to a lot of people’s tendency to collapse due to feeling the space crowded from coming ‘in’. Interestingly, a straight line pull through cue is also similar in that you need space for the line. But the cue is often conveyed with too much focus on the pulling and not enough focus on the line being out further away from you to create the space.

I’ve mentioned it here or there but am planning a full video dedicated to it because I think it’s one of the most important topics on the pocket but it’s not one of the really common topics discussed.

Yeah I knew coiling more could add power but not sure if it’s worth it vs approach throw form at that point due to it being harder to aim, but I’m sure there’s still a place for it when you don’t feel comfortable with either option. I’ll give it a try.

hey 1Minioner I just want to say your advice is something I'll take into account, myself. I feel like I learned how to putt properly, but it's still a style that's not designed for distance, only accuracy. I'll try to blend in some of your advice to help with distance. Thank you!