Ranking classical composers - Tier List
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2024
- Hey guys, I thought it'd be fun to make a big video ranking classical music composers. We got Bach to Beethoven to Mozart to Schubert to Rachmaninoff, and bunches of others. I'll give them all a letter grade and fill you in on some fun details about them as we go along.
Let me know what you'd change. Of course, recognizing that we are all unique and have our own styles/preferences...blah blah blah. Enjoy!!!
0:00 - Getting ready
0:31 - Making some cuts
1:28 - The tier list!!!
#classicalmusic #piano #tierlist #music #rankings #beethoven
Great video! I love how you're not afraid to express your subjectivity here.
I feel like French composers have been done a disservice here though - Saint-Saëns is underrated and Fauré wrote MANY amazing piano works! (I recommend Hamelin's album of his Barcarolles and Nocturnes). Poulenc too - he is one of my favourites - amazing chamber music. And my favourite French composer of all is actually Alkan - really underrated composer that is gradually becoming more well known. His Concerto for solo piano and Symphonie for solo piano are 2 of my favourite epic pieces.
Entertaining list though and it's good to embrace the subjectivity! it's a much more fun video that way, rather than trying to minimize offense to anyone! 😂
Alkan is really underrated these days, he should really get more recognition, his pieces are amazing, his Douze études dans tous les tons mineurs for example is in my opinion a work of all times.
Glad you appreciate it! Clearly I've offended some people, lol. I think most who are offended probably didn't listen to the part about practically all the composers are A or S tier, but I have to rank them relative to each other and someone has to fill the lower ranks.
I did a pre-made tier list, and it did have a lot of French composers. My musical style has always leaned a little more Baroque, Clasical, and Romantic, and also more German than French style. So it did end up piling on a little because there were just so many French composers on the list.
It makes it seem like I don't enjoy French music though, which isn't true. Even if I prefer the one style doesn't mean I hate the other. But I do admit sometimes videos like this have the effect of piling on. Like Schönburg. I could go on a 10 minute rant about the intricacies of what I like and don't like about him (I took 20th century harmony in undergrad and graduate school and LOVED it). However, I don't love listening to his music much. My default style is to ramble and talk 10 minutes about each composer, but the audience wouldn't stick around for 4 hours for me to explain each composer.
So, I oversimply some and the nature of that is some composers get the short end of the stick.
Thanks for checking out the video and your well though out comment!
@@ryanabshier It's more fun to have a slightly controversial video anyway, at least it's your honest take. And for all my defence of French composers - I'm actually not THAT massively into Debussy. I do love some of his works but he's not a favourite. I prefer the style of Ravel way more and I find it funny how the two are always compared side-by-side like they're meant to be similar - but I hear them as having completely different styles.
Ravel in C is heart wrenching
I know. He was a victim of the balancing act. He would move up if I allowed for more composers per spot.
@@ryanabshierYou don't like Gaspard de La Nuit, Tombeau de Couperin, Miroirs, Piano Concerti, Piano Tiro etc etc?
Brahms and Rachmaninov on S tier and Mozart on A tier is the laugh of the day.
They are both better than mozart, stay mad
Made me laugh too - Rach deserves an S+ tier just for himself.
I'd put Mozart in C. Never found his music interesting at all.
@@alans98989 some of it is okay but mostly I think D!
@@epointerwinboie Maybe, if you have absolutely zero taste or knowledge
Mendelssohn in C tier is crazy
Yeah I know. Who would you move down though if you moved him up?
yeah he needs d tier
@@rohinagrawal9727 🤣🤣🤣
Schubert is a minimum A level composer as he is, after Beethoven, the second greatest piano sonata composer. He also wrote the beautiful 8 impromptus and the Wanderer Fantasy. You erred to classify Schubert as a B level.
That was a tough one. I really tried to keep somewhat equality in the totals from each category, so the rankings kept value. So I guess that means I slightly prefer Schumann and Grieg, because if Schubert went up one of them would have to fall for me. But yeah, Schubert hanging out down in B is hard to see. Before I started filming I didn't anticipate such a crunch at the S and A tiers.
@@ryanabshier , I take issue with the Schubert classification because, besides his piano music, Schubert was also a great writer of chamber music, lieder, and symphonic works. He needs to be at least classified as A level. And Rachmaninoff greater than Schubert??!! That makes no sense to me. But thank you for sharing your opinion.
Going out on a limb here to say that Schubert's E-flat piano trio is the GOAT in the genre, with the Shostakovich E-minor a close second.
good list. I agree with most of your placements
Thanks. Hope you enjoyed the video!
Great video! My top composers are Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Liszt, and Beethoven so nice to see them up there at the top!
Thanks, glad you liked it. And all your top composers are in my top 2 tiers, so it seems like we have similar taste.
You should totally do one for the modern film composers like John Williams, Hans Zimmer, Danny Elfman, James Newton Howard, Howard Shore etc
Obviously my list would be different because our tastes would be different, and i respect different opinions.
But to hear that Schönberg and serialism are just "garbage" is not offensive, no one cares, it's just ignorant. I don't enjoy much that style of music either, but it's not as you make it sound, just random notes in random keys "experimenting" (what kind of experiment would that be?) with obsessive music science. They were not just idiots, they were not just making random noise to seek for attention (especially because most of the attention they received was negative, like from you), they were not just doctors playing with math. Schönberg and his school opened the doors of harmony to infinity in classical music, they were much more revolutionary than our beloved Beethoven could ever wish to be.
Where you fall, is thinking that music is supposed to "sound good", and if it doesn't it's garbage. Music is an art, and like every art it is first of all a language, a way of communicating; and not every word, not every feeling, not every philosophy can be spoken with nice simple tonal words. Not every poem has to rhyme, not every painting has to be pleasing to the eye (in fact, in the same time as Schönberg, Cubism, Expressionism, Dadaism, Futurism, a lot of "ugly"-looking painting styles were born, breaking the boundaries of visual arts forever). And you saying that Schönberg is garbage is just as ignorant as saying that Picasso is. Just to put in perspective.
That whole historic period was going through the deepest artistic revolutions we had ever witnessed, and it was the mirror of a confused, atonal, ugly, tired, decadent society that was seeing all of its old traditions crumble in front of an upcoming mechanic, cold, capitalistic, indifferent, insignificant society. Serialism and atonality can be used profoundly and beautifully, and they do express feelings too, they just are very complicated, harsh, depressed, hopeless, deep and real feelings, that you may not be getting. Everything has its context.
That is all i have to say, and mind that i don't mean to insukt you or 'hate' when i say "ignorant". To ignore literally means 'to not know', and that's how you sound when you say Schönberg is garbage, like someone that simply doesn't fully know. It is your opinion and i respect it, but it's an ignorant one
@@mellcrawlerYou're entitled to your ignorant opinion too, I won't judge you can't be bothered. At least you're not trying to pass your content as educational
@@mellcrawlergod you must have very very boring evenings
@@mellcrawlerjust to be clear shoenberg didnt just make atonal music...
@@mellcrawlerbut here, good atonal piece by shoenberg: piano concerto klavierstücke, (op 42 andante is a good part)
good non atonal piece by shoenberg: insights (op 7: nicht zu rasch best bit)
open your mind a little and look up picasso's early oil works, they were very impressive and he had a great grasp on lighting and contrast, he is definitely not an awful painter in any academic sense and then he took his skills in a different direction and created very influential and original works so idk what you're on about really
Why do people like Mozart so much? I think A tier is already very good for mozart
Thanks. I think he's top 10 for me, which is really good. But a lot of people consider him the GOAT so A tier seems to have rubbed people the wrong way.
Loved the video as always! Surprised you didn’t include Saint-Saëns, he wrote some great music yet is criminally underrated
Thanks! Glad you liked it. Mostly just want people to have a good time chatting about composers.
Yeah, you know, he's the only one that looking back on I regret cutting a little. I did it mostly as a joke (I like butchering French pronunciation because it's sooooo incredibly difficult), but of the people I cut he actually did contribute quite a bit to the piano. I mentioned in another comment replay somewhere that I simply don't know his music well enough, so I would have given him a generic C/B just out of ignorance and it would have been not that helpful.
The take away here i think is I need to give his music another shot.
I dont listen to classical, admittedly unsophisticated ear but even I get Beethoven and Rachmaninoff. So powerful
can you give an honorable mention to Gyorgy Cziffra (he made some crazy arrangements: Tritsch Tratsch Polka // Concert Paraphrase On Il Trovatore // and Flight of the bumblebee) those are my favorite compositions from him. Would you mind giving me your opinion about Cziffra.
i didn't even start the video but if there is any mozart slander i swear to god
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Beethoven is above everthing and everybody. An special Tier above the rest must be destinated for him.
Boom! No argument here. He's my fave
Beethoven is the greatest composer and artist, ever.
100% agree here!
Totally in agreement!!!
Ooof it’s so hard to see Liszt in the A tier 😭
Trust me, I know. ☹ Why did I impose stupid rules like balancing our the tiers, lol. I guess from the list that makes Liszt somewhere in my 6-10 favorite composer.
Messiaen is obviously a S tier. You have to listen to the music he composed when he was young, like "8 préludes"
Mozart on A tier you gotta be kidding me. Jupiter Symphony, Don Giovanni, Magic Flute, 40th sympohny, Requiem, one breathtaking master piece after the next. The Jupiter symphony has 5 movements all beautifully intertwined what other composer can compete? He's also the most prolific of all composers. Should be an automatic S.
I mentioned at the beginning that I was ranking only based on piano output, so hope that clears it up. I know many people feel he's strong enough with just piano rep as well, but I happen to have him in my top 10, but not top 5 piano composers.
What about the Faure Nocturnes for piano? Those are sublime. This list seems a bit off.
Indeed, some of the nocturnes are masterpieces in my opinion
“Saint See-ins” 💀💀💀
I started saying that at a music festival one time and it always gets a laugh or at least annoyed people.
Might seem a bit pedantic, but that isnt a picture of Rossini. Regardless, good job to you, and whoever made the list.
Lol, you're the first to point that out. He lost a lot of weight for the photo 🤣🤣🤣 I just used a premade tierlist on and wasn't really focused on him because I was removing him. I wonder who it is? At first I thought thought it might be Ashkenazy, but not so much when I zoomed in.
Thanks for checking out the video and the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it!
It’s a colorized photo of Ravel.
@@markwilliamson8047 oh man it is! The color threw my off. Thanks
"I really like science but it's not music"
Schoenberg laughs in "Style and Idea"
🤣🤣🤣 oversimplification on my part for sure, didn't want the video to be 4 hours with a long rant on each composer. You, however, have the best comment about my Schönburg dig!
Not having Tchaikowsky (or even mentioning him once) in here I see as an oversight... so I will wait for this list to be completed in the future. However, if this choice is intentional I regard your list, and sensibilities, to be E tier - with good behaviour a possible D.
putting ravel in C and mozart in A and not S should be punishable by having your musical degrees removed
and shoenberg at the bottom of d? are you tripping?
Yeah, as I mentioned in the video i tried to make all the categories the same size. So only 5 S tiers. If you move some up others have to go down. It's a tough challenge, but I think I'll keep my degrees 🤣
@@mellcrawlerare you the dude who said picasso is trash on another comment 😂 you're boring bro
@@mellcrawlerif you think daphnis and chloe by ravel is awful you need your head checked
@@mellcrawlerRavel and Mozart definitely deserve better.
Saint Saen's piano concertos are just awesome !! I think he could be a solid C
Where’s Mahler!?
no scriabin 😶
I know! I did a pre-made tier list online (so it had the pictures and text already loaded) but them not having him is a big miss.
This could get controversial
Haha, and it does! I mean, not really, but some comments are. 🤣
8:30 do secondary school in Singapore, a “B” is a >= 60% 😂😂😂 (“A2” is a >= 70% and “A1”is a >= 75%, “C” is a >=50%)
So it’s
A1 A2 B3 B4 C5 C6 D7 E8 F9 where each grade goes down by 5%, starting at 75% for the best grade
(This for secondary sch btw, primary school is different I think)
Haha great, now people are going to think I hate Mozart even more 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the hillarious anecdote about Handel!
But I have to ask: Why do you consider Saint-Saens to not be a piano composer? He wrote many etudes, a truckload of salon pieces and 5! piano concertos, was Professor of Piano at the Paris conservatory. I can really recommend no.5 , the "egyptian" concerto by Saint-Saens!
This one I need to explain. I realized in editing that I didn't give an explanation during the video and this comment is well deserved. Of all the composers on this list, I know the least about Saint-Saens. We all are going to have different relative strengths and gaps, but my lack of knowledge of his music is pretty big so I don't feel I can adequately rank him.
Part of the reason for that is I honestly haven't enjoyed what I've heard. But, I can't give him a D or C tier without having listened and studied his music more. So I just thought it was best to leave off. Basically all the other composers I've listened to extensively and have at least played around with their music (so I have my own opinions separate from recordings), but his I never played for myself.
I'll check out that concerto, I'm down for discovering more. Thanks for the recommendation!
Basically, I cut him out of respect of realizing I can't properly rank him, but then failed to give a good reason in the video. 🤪
@@ryanabshier I see, that is a very valid reason to exclude him! I hope you will enjoy the concerto haha.
One criticism I've heard made a lot against Saint-Saens's music is that it's mostly all shallow technique and no originality/heart, similar to Medtner or Mendelssohn. Personally though, I think a lot of what I've heard of it is gorgeous...
What about Scarlatti? Isn't he a keyboard guy? Or just too inexpressive for you?
Hi, thanks for checking out the video. I used a pre-made tier list and Scarlatti wasn't on there and the website makes it really hard to add anyone. But yeah, he should be on there.
That Messiaen ranking is absolutely criminal
Mozart in A-tier is crazy, but music is subjective afterall.
Ar least I had Bach in the top tier, being your profile pic and all.
But yeah, poor Mozart. He's just not in my top 5 composers, so he didn't make the cut.
Your photo of "Rossini" is in fact Ravel 😉
Haha yeah, someone mentioned that. In my defense this is a pre-made tierlist on tiermaker. So I'm lazy, not mistaken.
Or maybe Rossini went on a big diet 🤣
@@ryanabshier 😅
Bach needs his own tier, S. In tier A I put Chopin, Schumann.
Great list. Prokofiev and Debussy up to A (Prokofiev borderline S), Brahms down to A (piano music only) Grieg down to C (piano music only) Schumann to D (the actual worst) ravel to B/A. But you nailed it for the most part!
Thanks. It's fun to hear people's thoughts and good job finding a few to move down (rather than just saying people should move up, which I clearly agree with). Brahms was a tough one for me, I think I even mentioned on his that I could see him in A based only on his piano music, but I do love 2 concertos, the variations, a sonata, and a bunch of later works, so I think he barely cracks S for me.
Schumann is funny. I guess I didn't realize that I like him more than most. Multiple comments have mentioned moving him down, poor Bob. In my head everyone had him pretty high, guess not. Thanks for checking out the video!
Schumann is the greatest romantic composer. Your musical taste is very questionable.
true musicians know all of these are s tier
Lol, yup. Not arguing much on that one. I mention in the video my challenge was to balance to rating though. But yeah, I say basically all of them are S tiers if compared to other composers.
if i was doing this list i would have switched rach and liszt but other than that the exact same
Cool, glad you liked it! Yeah, it's hard to see Liszt in the A tier, but not everyone can be a winner, haha.
Is it OK to put everyone is S-tier?! 😅❤
It would make the video less controversial, haha.
Where’s Sibelius and Peterson-Berger?
What about the brothers of Bach and Haydn? CP and Michael
Where are Scriabin and Medtner :(
Yeah, there are a few unfortunate omissions. Though I'm super thankful for whoever put the tier list together for everyone to use, I'm sure it's tough to decide who to include.
why didnt u include piano in the title
Oh man, titles are hard. I included solo piano and concertos. So if I wanted to be completely accurate I could say "Ranking Classical Composers based on their piano music including concertos" but that's too long. I did say my method at the beginning of the video however. But yeah, trying to sum up a video in a few words and always balancing being succinct with accuracy is one of the least fun things I do. I would not make thumbnails and titles in a heartbeat if I could.
@@ryanabshier fairs
Not easy - better to say the best piece (as Bach: dona nobis pacem, mass b minor/Chopin: op.10 no.10/Rose Marie, Eddy Nilson).
Yeah, not an easy job. You're always insulting someone by moving someone else up. Cool idea though, but then people would argue about which piece i call their greatest 🤣
You're telling me that in a tier list where composers are ranked based on their contribution to piano music and you don't include Liszt in S?
But but but but but....yeah I know. I didn't want too many composers in S tier, and I do like Chopin and Brahms more than Liszt. Maybe I should redo this and add in 20 not as good composers (like Clementi) to bump up everyone else 😀
@@ryanabshier clementi is very good
Faure's piano music is better than you think!
For sure the best French composer between the careers of Berlioz and Debussy. He was also a great teacher at the Paris conservatory too! Very underrated.
You really hyped up liszt for FOUR MINUTES to give him an A
I did 🤣 Not everyone can be a winner. Haha. But to be fair, the reason I used the S tier was that composers like Liszt could still be an A.
if you like piano, how about the Russian Chopin? Scriabine
Great suggestion. I used a pre-made tierlist and not everyone was included.
Ughh, surely you jest lol.
Russian “Chopin”??? This is blasphemy
@@Skrjaboutright stupidity, rather
Having no Scriabin in this list is unacceptable.
Its odd I know, but I used a pre-made tier list and didn't add any of my own. I don't know why he wasn't included, but possibly because the tierlist I used was not piano specific.
ravel in c is a disservice
And was rather harsh of you to put Mendelssohn in the C category. And you also lost me when you demoted Schubert from the B list down to the C list that was uncalled for.
Hi Greg, sorry to rank your favorite composers so low. I hope you saw the part of the video where I mentioned balancing the tiers. So for Mendelssohn or Schubert to move up someone else would have to drop down. Difficult decisions for sure, but if I gave every composer an A or S it wouldn't mean much. Hope that clears things up.
On the top there can be only 2, Bach and Beethoven, then on A Handel (even Beethoven consider him the greatest composer, how he can be on C!), Chopin, Scarlatti, Wagner, Scriabin (we are talking the most original and creative here)- B Mozart, Schubert (both living longer may had evolved and be on the top) Rameau, Vivaldi, Couperin, Strauss, Rachmaninoff, Debussy C - Haydn, Prokofiev, Schumann, Liszt,
Interesting. I'm curious if you are ranking that all around, or just piano music. In this video i just ranked based on only piano music, so that's why Handel is so low and Chopin/Liszt are so high.
Mozart is second only to Bach. That's not about taste, but skills. And Bach is on a tier of his own.
Yay votes for Classical and Baroque composers. Mozart being left out of S tier was (i thought) the most offensive thing I did. I don't know who I'd move down if he went up. It's a struggle.
Bach is the GOAT.
Very bold of you lol. But Chopin on S tier, above Mozart and Schubert its simply absurd.
Interesting. I'd probably put them on the same level overall, at least Mozart. But looking at just keyboard music makes me give Chopin a bump.
@@ryanabshier I see, maybe from a pure keyboard perspective i could agree that they might be on the same level, but besides the keyboard repertoire Chopin doesn't hold a candle to neither Mozart or Schubert.
@@ryanabshier But thanks for engaging with the audience, its always fun to have these conversations!
@@andreyandreiko8553 Cool, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for checking out the video. Yeah, in this video I was just focusing on piano rep, which is kinda what Chopin does...it's practically all he does, lol. That's an interesting thought though. If I did one trying to judge all a composers output (symphonic, choral, solo vocal, opera) which composers would move up or down. Obviously someone like Beethoven remains strong from all points of views, but Liszt and Chopin would take a hit.
I love Chopin but you don’t put him over Mozart
I do, but understand if others don't. Do you love Mozart piano music, or all of his works (operas, orchestral...)?
If it was just a matter of who has more prowess as a pianist/composer, then it’s Chopin, no contest. If it’s a matter of star power/cultural relevance it’s Mozart, no contest.
If somenody sais "... is not music" theur opinion is instantly invalidated
Mendelssohn C💀
I know man. Did you hear my reasoning? Someone's gotta fill each tier and I think his piano music is weaker than some of the others.
Brahms in C tier. Mendelssohn up to B tier.
Not too many adjustments, I'll take it 😄 Why so down on Brahms though?
One more adjustment. I know it seems sacrilegious, but Mozart down to B. Brahms just doesn’t reach me on any level…the best he’s ever done was to steal from Beethoven.
Bro Schönberg d Tier. You kidding 😂😂😂😂
I love all the support Schönburg has gotten, but I gotta say I called it, not a lot of comments about Messiaen. Poor guy
@@ryanabshierMessiaen's préludes are Debussian.
Beethoven is in C tier for me. Mozart and Debussy are the best keyboard composers of all time. Did you forget Mozart Piano sonatas and concerti? And yeah, I like Messiaen and Ravel a lot.
Also, Brahms never sounded simmilar to Beethoven, not in piano, not in orchestral music, not in chamber music, etc. Can someone tell me if you ever mistaked a Brahms piece for a Beethoven piece, like ever?
Appreciate the Haydn in A. Also, Poulenc is not an impressionistic composer. Only Debussy can be called that, even if he hated the label, and maybe Ravel, but to a much lesser extent. But Poulenc? No, not at all.
Really agree with Schubert.
Your attitude towards Atonal, Serial and 20th century music is really strange. "Garbage and not msuic" huh? Schoenberg 3 piano pieces, Op. 11 is really nice.
And Satie wrote some nice pieces that are not Gymnopédies and Genossinnes.
Also, why did you leave out Fauré? He wrote a lot of piano music.
Enjoyable video though.
Mozart low A tier? Unsubbed. I'm just kidding😂😂Great tier list and commentary.
You had me for a sec, not gonna lie. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Bro the fact that Liszt is a Tier made me cry😩. Bro you literally cant even compare him to most of the composers!! I really dont understand people nowadays goating him that much. I mean sure he was really good at playing piano but he was not a real composer. Just because his pieces were virtuos it doesnt contribute that much to the music behind them.
Same thing with Rach btw
Haha, I thought at first you were going to say he was so good he was in a tier of his own 🤣🤣🤣 All cool though, not everyone has to like everyone, you can hate Liszt all you want...now Rachmaninoff on the other hand...lol
@@ryanabshier Not hating them at all. But there is a difference between pianist and composers. Liszt, Rach and you could argue about that but also Chopin really were great pianists and they wrote mindblowingly difficult and virtuos pieces. But take Schumann for example. His music is so progressive and nouanced for his time and not everyone could understand it at all, just like nowadays. He was not all about writing pieces that would appeal to a major audience at all in the first place. Whereas Liszt got „viral“ for writing insanely difficult pieces. There is now music behind them. It is circus, its a show! But your Vid was good btw
@@Sandymankiller Cool, thanks for fleshing out your thoughts. Yeah, in general I agree, Liszt can be a bunch of flare and flash. I think I even told a story in this video (or maybe it was another) of going to an all Liszt concert and not really enjoying it. I do enjoy a lot of Liszt's music however, so I don't feel bad about putting him in A tier for that. When studying Liszt you do tend to have fewer "Wow, that's a brilliant idea" moments, but there are many pieces I do like. Actually I just did a question and answer video where someone asks if I like the Transcendental Etudes and I said #12, but many of them I'm not super fond of.
You're right about compositional innovation with Schumann. When my students study Schumann they are often confused...and sometimes I join them, lol.
Bach kind mid tier lmao. I mean, I understand that he is important and he founded in some way classical music but just musically I'm not a big fan of him. This year I'm listening to his hole catologue. For now I listened to 721 pieces. I have 50 cantatas left and I will have listened to all his vocal works. I have a Yt list to add the pieces I liked about him and for now I liked 68% of his production. I still didn't hear his harpshichord and orchestral works so maybe that would rise my ratio. But I cannot understand people that says he never a single bad piece.
He’s hasn’t had a single bad piece from a theoretical standpoint because the counter point is so phenomenal
Lol, strong take! I get why he's not everyone's favorite to listen to. It'd be fun to separate out the tier lists. 1. Top composers to play. 2 Top composers to listen to.
I'd be curious to see a list of some of Bach's bad pieces.
You made some mistakes. Debussy is S Tier.
If you don't have Rachmaninoff and Chopin in S tier don't talk ro me 😂
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butchering the names, bruh
I know. I stopped trying with French names 🤣 You can either just go full American with them and get picked on, or try to say them right and get picked on more. There are only 2 options.
@@ryanabshierthat's funny, but saying them right in French is not hard.
Schumann is by far the most overrated composer.
S - Bach, Mozart, Beethoven
A - Handel, Haydn, Schubert, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Dvorak
B - Vivaldi, Rossini, Verdi, Mendelsohn, Wagner, Bizet, Debussy, Ravel, Elgar, Vaughan Williams, Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich, Grieg, Sibelius, Liszt
ranking composer in the first place is just pointless and cringe and you're ignorant af
Listen to Schumann's piano quintet or his piano concerto or his piano sonatas or his songs: you will find that he is maybe the most underrated composer.
No. Maybe our tastes are different but romantic music is much better and complex than baroque and classical
Which means Mozart should go down and Rachmaninoff should move yp
@@justintimetoclashandbrawl3348 cringe