idk why, but our hang man loses were to make the hangman's limbs be set on fire or to be cut. Very dark now that I think about it. Like those soldiers using war slaves as target practices
As you note, playing to "win" as the executioner is not very fun, but you don't quite make the leap to it not really being an adversarial game. The goal of the executioner is to create a customized challenge for the guesser, calibrating the difficulty to their skill level so it's possible but not trivial. Perhaps the best analogy is a game master in a table-top roleplaying game.
Exactly that. The problem with hangman is that some Game Masters get off on torturing the players, which is when it becomes adversarial and cheating/muddy game rules get encouraged. The GM that likes to give others a good experience will have fun when the word finally clicks with the guesser, especially if it is a rare in-group word or a joke. The reveal of the word is a goal then, and even a fail-state will have some satisfaction for all. The difference is that multiple guessers can compete with each other for score or as a race, which is more common and easier in hangman than in RPGs.
I like the idea that "winning" as the executioner isn't a "I drew the person you lose", it's more of "I got to spend 20 minutes doodling a super detailed person before you finally got it" like the number of lines isn't the guesser's lives, it's the executioner's score.
I love how you didn’t even mention the fact that when the guesser wins, the executioner is left with either a disembodied head, or an amputated corpse.
can we take a moment that this guy basically wrote a several pages long analysis paper and then made a full video with text and drawings for it? like, wow, that's impressive
The executioner serves a role, not as a competitor, but as a sort of _game master_ . It's the same idea as a person creating a puzzle for another person to solve. You want to give them a challenge but you also want to see them overcome that challenge. Except for in this case, the puzzle requires another entity to facilitate it, be it a person or computer. It's like the game Mastermind (or Wordle for a more relevant example), where you have to guess the colors or letters in an order, but you need something or someone else to track the puzzle for you since that requires knowing the solution already.
It’s kind of like dungeons and dragons. If the dungeon master really wanted to “win” they could just make something impossible to beat, or come up with something on a whim whenever the party was doing well, just like hangman. But that would be no fun.
You don't need another person. The solution is literally the paper and pencil, the 'word' MUST be written down BEFORE the round starts by the executioner. It is that easy. The executioner can't change the word if it has already been written down and put aside out of view of the guesser.
@@menoobslayer you need the other person to tell the guesser if they make correct guesses or not because there'd be no way for them to check without spoiling the solution. But yes, using a piece of paper does help curb the executioner from cheating. The idea, though, is that this isn't the kind of game executioner would benefit from cheating because they *want* the guesser to win, unless the executioner is the type that has fun annoying others. I tend to avoid those people lmao
I would argue that it is an extremely boring game that is only fun at the intersection of "terminally bored" and "have nothing but paper and a pencil and a friend." Which means that there is an incentive to make the game entertaining for both parties. After all, you are always 6 guesses away from being the new "game master." If they try to eff you with some BS, you either quit or do the same thing back. I would say that one thing he claimed isn't true. Winning as the executioner IS fun. But it's so idiotically easy to cheat that nobody would do it. Unless money is involved, cheating is only fun when it's difficult and adds an element of risk. People wouldn't only think you are a dick for cheating, they might even think of you as just a generally pathetic human being. So playing fairly and still winning makes you feel clever. You created a mini puzzle for yourself-- Given an arbitrary set of personal rules for what words are fair, which word would be difficult to guess?
@@lukaklasic4823 oh, you play hangman where your from? Which country? I didn't think it was a very popular or known game outside of only one or two countries 😮
@@justlivinglife1167 I am from Croatia and it is a well know game here, although we call it "Vješala" (translate it from Croatian to English) and we even, sometimes, use full sentences: _ | _ _ | _ _ _ _ | _ _ _ _ _ _ _ (Vertical lines represent spaces inbetween words) And for the repeated guesses on the letters, every repeated guess is a new line added to the hangman. If you want to know anything about Croatia, feel free to ask 😁
@@lukaklasic4823 sorry for the late reply, but that sounds really cool😁. I've heard of croatia before but never took the time to learn more. So I guess first off where is it in the world? And how much different is that language from English😮?
I agree, one side functions as the player the other works as a game master, a game masters role is not to win but to create a win/lose condition for the player, thats why we don't hear "I beat that guy at hangman". For this reason, depending on who you're playing with, extra rules or clarifications might be given at the start of the game, and if someone uses an aphostrophe as a letter in one round it will usually be understood as an explicit rule on the next round. Even then it is an odd one out among word guessing games, just like portal is a weird first person shooter and better explained as a puzzle game, hangman is better defined as simply an asymetrical guessing game, because every guess gives you new information and it is posible to form a strategy around this information.
Now that I think about it, i recall that a lot of the time, the executioner would start to make the stick figure really elaborate to give everyone time to think--really supports the 'pvd/e' outlook over 'pvp'
I agree, but i think it is more like RPGs in a cheating scenario, seeing that the GM will commonly "cheat", but not for him tom win, but to provide more fun to the players
This is especially true in classroom hangman where the actual competition isn't between the executioner and the guessers but between multiple guessers, each competing for the prize of being the next executioner.
There was a trend in my 5th grade class to use the word "rhombicosidodecahedron" as the hangman word. Unfortunately after two uses, the guessers won before all the blanks were drawn
"queue" is a surprisingly fun word to use in hangman. Things go well untill suddenly "da faq is '_ueue'? Is that even a word in english?" And i happily reassure them that it is a word they know.
@@punkgreg1388 There are quite a lot, almost all of them are foreign words. Qi, Qigong, Faqirs, Niqab, Qibla, etcetera. There are also quite a lot of words that are traditionally written in common english with a K or C that are also written with a Q in some instances.
@@SynonamessBotchKevin well I was referring to just English sense it tends to require q be followed by u. Could you give a few examples of just English words?
In school we played the one where you also draw the gallows (I can't really remember any one with a pre-made gallow, even if it's just adding the rope). And there used to be the odd executioner that'd go as far as drawing fingers until someone finally got it.
I knew the jazz thing in advance. One time my family was in a restaurant waiting for food and we were all like "let's play hangman". My stepsister pulled out her phone and googled something, then drew 4 dashes on the paper. I was like "is it jazz" and she was totally aghast. Like, maybe don't pick the word that's famous for being the hardest to guess.
Though using kanji for letters would be more akin to using, say, the universal symbol of disability or the stop sign. Hiragana is the Japanese alphabet, so using kanji would be like using one of those weird fonts of symbols.
@@pheonifire I was actually thinking that perhaps Japanese hangman would be guessed based on the radicals? The problem with hiragana and radicals, though, is that there are so many of both that it makes the game much more difficult.
@@OrangeC7 Radicals are more for Chinese, Japanese is pretty good with kana. 44 letters is not very much. The bigger problem, I think, is that Japanese roots aren’t very long.
Hangman im German is funny, where "Rinderkennzeichnungsfleischettiketierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" (litterally the law, regarding the assignment of the duties for the surveilance of the labeling of beef and yes it's one word in german, that's even Part of the Dictonary) would be a completly fine, valid word with just 79 letters and 26 vowels (if i counted correctly) And yes, i did this once. In school. Was a surprisingly fast game
Years ago, I played this with my granny on a roadtrip and she couldn't guess the word "camera". I ended up giving the hangman hair, shoes, a face, a purse, and I realised I totally skipped over the letters she guessed right because I was so focussed on dressing it up 😅
All my teachers would start with the 5 strokes, then add hair, a piece of headgear, smile, eyes, nose, shoes, and (if the stick figure was supposed to be a girl) one accessory like a hairtie
that actually make us think about the psychology of a human. will he accept killing because everybody deqls with it like it's normal ? humans are weird sometimes
@@Koptous I think because whenever we think about hangman, (the kind with the trap device and everything) its seen as that person doing a crime, something criminal. So if we instead not use that device and used a tree instead, we'd be sympathetic because the man killed himself.
In the Hungarian language there are multiple duble letter (sz, ty, gy, dz, ly) and one triple letter (dzs). We have to connect these letters line with a curve under neath. If a word contains for exaple the letter , and the guesser guess the and we consider them wrong. The is one of the least common letter (except for the , , and , bc we use them almost nowhere, exept in old surnames) P.S.:Our ABC is 44 letters long...
@@fdsjdhebjcs6726 funny, never heard of someone having nightmares because of this, it's kinda of weird if you think about it, the game idea is really brutal after all.
@@oscarchavezavellan2738 No it's not. Look at human history. People today are just spoiled and used to living in peace. Never witnessing violence and death. If the game "hangman" is disturbing to you, then I have some bad news for you.
@@WhoopsieDayZ hahaha disturbing wouldn't be the word, for me it's just curious how such a brutal concept of a game could survived within a world that's becoming more and more sensible. I meant weird precisely because how sensible we're nowadays, I'd understand this kind of games in another era, but it's weird how it could survived without a major change in this time. Btw, I've read berserk so this game is faaar away to be disturbing for me, I only think it's funny how a game with such a brutal concept is still considered a game for kids and nobody really thinks how dark the idea of the game is.
I don't think the reason the executioner avoids cheating in most cases is due to the fun level of winning. It's clearly a social pact where there's an unspoken agreement that you are playing in good faith. Even kids understand quickly that if you cheat, no one wants to play games with you.
@@mayoactual2065 that's bc in games without anti cheat, hackers aren't punished, a kid will run out of friends to play hangman with, but hackers have the entire internet world to mess with
No one wants to play Hangman with me? Sounds good to me. If anyone ever asks to play hangman, I'll say yes then do all the cheats. My favorite is the random letters and the letting them go 5 turns without actually picking a word
Someone once tried to use "Antidisestablishmentarianism" on the belief that no one would ever guess such a long word. I managed to guess the word without needing a single letter because there are no other 28 letter words in the English language. Honestly, it was more impressive that they knew how to spell it then my being able to guess it.
Yep. I did that in primary school, except that I won because nobody knew that word. I mostly just enjoyed the thrill of people getting more and more incredulous as I kept adding little dashes.
My go to word when I’m playing Hangman against people that don’t know any better is “Uncopyrightable”; it’s the longest word in the English language with no repeating letters.
That’s kind of counterproductive because since you used so many unique letters the guesser has over a 50% chance of correctly guessing a letter. You also used all 5 vowels
@@bostoncox8757 jerkish you mean? Given the letters, the chances of losing is higher because you're only filling in one space each time you get a letter correct. People will get hung up by the word trying to figure it out; uncopyrightable would never cross their mind because you usually wouldn't say that under typical circumstances and borders on not sounding like a word.
I've always thought of Hangman like if the guy hangs then no one wins, but if the guessers guess the word, then they win, and the "executioner" is just someone who does the game.
The best word is OAT. Sure, they guess the A and T, but there are over 20 3-letter words ending in AT. It's unintuitive to guess a vowel, so you have time to make a detailed hangman. Then reveal the simple word and leave them completely demoralized.
If you use "queue", when someone guesses the letter "q", they put the q down, but when someone guesses the word "queue", you can say that they already guessed it lol
"You won't be able to convince them that's how hangman works, but the rules are vague enough that you can convince them that you *think* that's how hangman works" Never has someone so succinctly explained trolling/concern trolling before
Uno is so confusing Like I'm just playing a normal game of uno, then outta nowhere my opponent throws a 0 (let's say it's blue) and then they put all their blue cards down. I ask where tf they heard that rule from, and they said its common and that's how we play the game. Somebody PLEASE tell me if they ever heard that rule and if yes, if it was ever common. BECAUSE I JUST SAW IT AS A WAY TO CHEAT AND PUT MORE CARDS DOWN LIKE NO SARAH, PUT THOSE CARDS INTO THAT DANG PILE YOU CHEATER!!
@@ora2488 that's definitely cheating oh my god! XDD and I actually have read the rules and actually have a screenshot of the official (Mattel) Uno rules to reference when playing with non family members because seriously, no one plays the same rules (tho "house-rules" do make it more interesting sometimes)
Let me give it a try. A B C D E F G H I J K LMNOP Q R S T U V W X Y Z ampersand apostrophe semicolon double quotation hyphen question mark exclamation mark colon full stop comma brackets slash Now I know my ABC's Next time won't you sing with me EDIT: Extra blank lines deleted.
also, make sure they don't forget there are multiple cases of a letter in a word. idk how many times I played with my younger brother and lost, only to find out he only marked 1 case of each letter, even if there were multiple versions of it
Also also, make sure the executioner knows what they’re doing. I have this cousin who play hangman and never tells me where the other repeating letters are.
As a former guesser, I can attest that after losing a few times to the executioner, guessers stop guessing--and that robs the game of all joy for the executioner. So the executioner is motivated to pick simple-ish words that can be guessed, leading the guesser to build up confidence until they inevitably fail to guess a moderately easy word, which allows the executioner to never let them forget their loss.
I always join in on games where they've already gotten to the point of trying to stump each other with hard but legitimate words, so I'll pick french or italian words with a lot of common letters. It's fun to watch peoples' brains break when they can't figure out the last letter or two.
Lmao whenever the deck runs out we dont end the round, we put every card on the discard pile except the top card, and then continue(we also dont have points)
The worst part about the differences is everyone insisting that their set of rules is THE correct one, even though it’s not even close to the set in the rule book. (which, might I add, involves points and is overall a lot more complicated than it needs to be.)
In Portuguese we use til and accents in a lot of words and when we play hangman we tend to include them when the player says the original letter like the word Não (no) if a player says "A" we mark it as à because it wouldn't make sense to play it otherwise. we also have "ç" which is it's own letter but we consider when people says "C"
*distracts you by going into a 19-minute rant on the game, then proceeds to destroy you when you've forgotten completely what you thought the word was.*
@@nej.1190 the stickman wasn't getting hanged I'm guessing. I think the commenter meant to say they weren't getting hanged but instead they were on the floor
@@footlover9416 good piont but i seriously think that it would be better to teach children that getting haged is bad and not good. Or just not play a game where if the childern guess the letters wrong the teacher kills a man.
My teachers played “hang spider.” It was the same thing except it was a spider hanging from silk. Not only did it make it easier for us dumbass kids to get the word, (more appendages to draw) but it also made it less morbid. We all liked the human kind better though.
In elementary school, if we weren’t even close to finding the word, our teacher would give us more ‘chances’ by also burning the stick man. As in: ‘I lit a match’, ‘I placed the logs’, ‘I lit the fire’ and then crossing out the eyes. I never found it weird, but I guess it was.
I've never thought of hangman as competitive or cooperative. In my mind, the executioner was just there to facilitate the game as opposed to actively try and win it. Though I suppose that makes sense, since they do have say over what word is chosen. But the fact hangman isn't fun winning in the role of executioner has always meant people play it to see the guessers' reactions, in my experience; not to actively make them suffer. :D
True, hangman can often be played as a man vs environment kind of game rather than man vs man. The executioner is not a player, just the arbiter. The guesser's opponent is not another player, but the game itself
So hangman's executioner being adversarial is more akin to being a DM in D&D games. You act as the enemy, but really you want the other players to ultimately win. The goal isn't to win, but to provide just enough challenge so that your players need to play well in order to succeed, and as such feel a greater sense of accomplishment for doing so.
This is a perfect parallel! But the distance between a pen and paper hangman game and a full blown D&D campaign is very vast. Then again, I guess that's what makes hangman so interestingly weird/unique. It's exactly what makes D&D so unique. This also means that a friend group could play a few sessions of hangman to determine who would most likely function best as the DM among them!
I always played it with the winner becoming the next executioner. you chose difficult words because you wanted the next executioner to present you with a challenge. which has a parallel with DnD, where it isn't uncommon for groups to take turns DMing. DMing is a lot of work, and while it is fun, playing DnD is objectively a better ratio of fun to work. the same is true of hangman. You may find choosing the word fun, and even take sadistic pleasure in watching your friend struggle to guess it, but the algorithmic tasks you have to take to communicate the right and wrong guesses aren't interesting. so yeah, all that to say its a really good comparison. both games have very similar social characteristics, I think.
During the last week of senior year we played hangman. At first it was all fun with simple words, usually references to inside jokes and topics in class. Then our teacher picked "axt" (german for axe) and NOBODY guessed it. It was a massive defeat. After that nobody played fair anymore, it was all about how much you could destroy peoples will to live. I love the chaos that hangman can cause in a group of people. So simple yet so beautiful.
One thing you didn’t mention as part of the strategy is context. Some people will choose a joke word, the smart friend might choose a harder word, etc. Someone’s personality can help you figure out what words they’re likely to choose.
A way to make the game more cooperative would be to try and get streaks of correct words with no/few incorrect guesses, or you only get one "hangman" and have to stretch it across multiple words. By introducing the importance of series as an element of the game, it becomes even more weird, since very few other games do that. Call it Titanic or Flotilla or something, and every missed guess is a hole in the boat.
@@Bingo_Bango_ we played exactly that when playing hangman in primary school. We also did the simulatanious competitive hangman they mentioned at the end and also having a different gallows for each cluster of desks. Obviously we just were more creative than your average class... Apparently.
I loved this game as a kid. Back then, the fact that it was a person being hanged... didn't bother me at all. I didn't even think about it. It was just a game.
Simply put, it was normalized. We never thought it was morbid because no one around us thought it was either. This video is the first time I’m thinking about how weird the concept of hangman is, genuinely.
@@pokaay3163 True but I didn't see anyone being hanged really. So how is it normalised? I think it only implied that the guesser dies if they can't make it and not so morbid at all.
Growing up in Greece, my favourite children's song was about a ship that was out to sea for so long that they ran out of food and eventually had to decide who to eat. In the French version, the young man chosen to be made into dinner is miraculously saved. In the Greek version, the boys nominate the girls, and the girls nominate the boys. Whoever yells for the other side to be eaten the loudest wins and the other side loses (aka turns to dinner). We thought it was fun because we got to shout real loud 💀
What’s crazy is that we’ve completely sanitized life for kids now to the point that they think mean words are the same as violence. The reason kids stories have traditionally been on the macabre side is because that’s the reality of life. Kids are curious about it and these stories and games help them make sense of it. Pretending life’s just a bunch of flowers never helped anyone.
Because nursery rhymes are meant to teach kids about complicated topics. Ring around the rosy teaches kids about germs and disease in an age where plagues were common.
@@desertrose0601 “Crazy”? “sanitized”? Adults freaking out whenever a word like “death” or “hell” is mentioned around kids is nothing new mate. Kids have dark culture like messed up games, ditties and parody songs, because they go all-in on the freshly-learned topics of mortality, shock-value jokes and dark humor. Had it for a while, and I’m sure still have. Adults just don’t want it to get out of control so kids don’t grow up with it as a benchmark of “normal” humor. That’s also how kids learn context, etiquette, and the impact of certain topics.
This makes me think of Hangman as being a bit like D&D. The executioner is like a Dungeon Master, they aren't trying to beat the guesser, only trying to give them a fun challenge.
Was about to comment the same thing. The quote at the end "nobody knows exactly what the rules are" and "one player has nothing preventing them from cheating, something which they will only take advantage of to prevent themselves from winning" stuck out to me especially
In all my years of playing hangman, I never once thought to change the word in the middle of the match just to say the opponent has lost. What an incredibly devious play.
People did this all the time in school and it was a horrendous crime- also it‘s difficult to do, as the changed word still has to fit what you‘ve already admitted
In my school that was commonplace. I still remember my favourite switch-triplet: Slave, Slate, Slake. Same 5-letter word, with 1 consonant difference. Kettle, Settle, Mettle was also a backup plan. Some classmates saw right through it - others never realised a thing. Revealed it to my 6th grade teacher when I left Junior school to go to Middle school - he just laughed :P
My teacher called it “hang-spider” and made us draw a spider instead of a man. I honestly never would’ve thought abt the fact that we were drawing a live execution if she hadn’t brought attention to it though
I disagree on the fact that being the executioner is no fun. When I used to play it in elementary school, I always wanted to guess the word JUST to get the power to become an executioner for the next round, choose a word and help the others guess it. In the end, classroom hangman is not a competitive game, but rather a collaborative game.
@Deh Alcântara ya that’s what everyone and I did growing up, who the hell didn’t want to be the executioner? It was just a competition to see who could guess the word and be the next one to make the word😂 the incredulous look you’d get when you reveal the world and people start saying ‘we never would have gotten that’, ‘that’s not fair’, ‘pick a different word’😌. And start complaining to others or (depending on your age) complain to the teacher, *cue whiny child voice* “MISSSSSSSSS”. The word is echoing in mind as I type this, can imagine the exact sing-song whiny tone it’s spoken in😂
@@hopelesslydull7588 hey, if u can’t beat ‘em then join em. I’m just doing what everyone else does and instead of complaining and whining about it I take it in stride and find the humour and fun in the situation😅😂
I liked wining as executioner, and I won a lot as a would throw hard words for 3 graders like "neutrophil" and "cricanthopelta" (I have hyper-fixations)
when i was in outpatient for anxiety management, we did one called “build a house”. that’s when I personally realized how strange hangman was. Great video!
"everyone has played it, but nobody knows the rules" I'd argue this is true for basically any oral tradition game. There's a million little variants you could add to each, some of which become core to different groups of people. Even with Tag, "no tagbacks" was the default way I played it, with potential qualifiers like "for 10 seconds". Does pure Tag have tagbacks? Does that rely on the release of contact, or can tagging only happen with the hands? I could not be sure that I have the same rules as another person without asking.
Tag is really interesting with all the variants kids come up with. You can take freeze tag and turn it into pose tag or turn it into toilet tag. There’s zombie tag and secret tag and gravel and zoobreak (which are basically tag) I guess that sort of game just evolves however you want
At school, we had "no tagbacks" for any length of time, but at karate, before things started, skilled tagbacking was the cornerstone of the game. With occasionally tense standoffs of tagging someone an even number of times and dashing away because you expected them to tag you back an odd number of times.
It is because variety is in the nature of games; there are many different rulesets for what goes by one name, but is actually a collection of closely related games. Almost all games are folk games or become folk games.
Even UNO can have different rules depending on who's playing. Nobody really reads that rule sheet. Sometimes people get rid of a rule they don't like too.
17:21 There was a Wheel of Fortune episode where the contestant immediately guessed the correct answer without any letters because it was for the category fictional characters and it was "Shaggy and Scooby-Doo", they were required to put the dash on the board automatically because it wasn't considered a letter, and the answer actually did look very obvious because of it.
@@PandaXs1 Dunno if you're deliberately joking but they meant that the dash could've indicated Scooby-Doo or Spider-Man. Putting Shaggy with Scooby narrowed it down.
reminds me of that wheel of fortune screenshot (not sure if it was real but the point stands either way) where the category was “80’s song lyrics” and no letters were guessed but the answer was very obviously “never gonna give you up”. but the thing about wheel of fortune is that guessing the answer immediately is a bad move strategically because you don’t win any money (i think. you might win 1,000 dollars. it’s been a while since i watched wheel of fortune)
One problem with your guesser strategy: It gets completely demolished by certain executioner strategies. For example, if the executioner figures out your strategy, they can just pick words that deliberately counter it, and you will always lose. To make a truly "perfect strategy" from a game theory perspective, you would need to introduce an element of randomness to your guesses.
Consider this: Hangman is actually a 1 player game with a host. Assuming that the host don't "cheat", there's not much they can do after the initial setup. Winning is also not fun for them, as established. It's also funny that this is included in your terminology, they are executing the rules not playing the game.
@paula i guess winning in a game where you have so much more possibilities to win than your opponent is kinda lame. But if we count out any possibility to cheat then the will to win actually can be taken into consideration. Though in my very personal opinion hangman is still a pretty lame game
playing it in german is allways funny, because most times its agreed on that ä,ö and ü are spelled as ae, oe, ue and ß as either ss or sz, so words that usually look like this äußere, become aeuszere, basically they look completely different and get really hard to guess
@@Benutzername474 i know the version where you replace ß with sz instead of ss to avoid confusion, because there are so many words who already have ss in them, that's why I mentioned that there are two versions
I always played where the executioner would have to write their word down on a hidden piece of paper at the start, to prevent them swapping it mid-game. I’m pretty sure this called way more attention to that way of cheating really
I am an English teacher in Japan. As many may know, Japan has a reputation of high suicide rates, particularly by hanging. Being of Western (non-Japanese) birth, I remember from our initial teacher training that we were strongly advised to NOT use hangman as a classroom activity, for obvious reasons. (As a side note, not all Japanese schools are hardcore and purely academic focused. I teach at “non-academic” high school, and my kids are very happy, spend time doing things they like, and generally don’t care much for academics. They enjoy their lives!). It was really only then when it dawned on me that hangman had an incredibly morbid theme and made me question why out of all possible situations, SAVING A PERSON FROM HANGING has become the most popular fictional goal for a schoolchildren spelling game??? Who thought of that!?!
@@MathStringInputOutpu There are essentially 2 kinds of high schools in Japan. 1.) Academic high schools. Students put heavy focus on study to prepare for university. Usually the whole final year of academic high school is devoted to studying for entrance exams. Because of this, the students are usually passive, well-behaved and either naturally intelligent or at least well studied. But they also tend to be depressed, overworked, anti-social and generally exhausted all the time. 2.) Non-academic high school. These schools mainly serve to prepare students for work right after graduation; civil service, clerical, or infrastructure related jobs. Usually these schools take the form of “Technical”, “Commercial”, and “Agricultural” High Schools. The students are not expected to study that hard (or at all), so they live and breathe their club activities (sports, music, art, cultural performance, etc.) which can be hardcore (I am a member of my school’s big band, and we practice every day after school, and on Saturday mornings, for 3-4 hours, even during vacations.) So, the students generally are not interested in learning (which is frustrating for me, their teacher). But they also tend to be much more happy, funny, and outgoing (which makes me happy). My kids might not change the world or be the best in their fields, but they enjoy their lives and grow up to do jobs that support their communities. It can be a pain in the ass to teach them English, but I wouldn’t change a thing about them.
@@matthewgumabon7498 sounds similar to some European schools as well. It seems to me the non-academic schools would really fill the gaping hole in the American system
@@MathStringInputOutpu America (and probably most other places) has a serious problem with the decline of trades and skilled labor that could be helped by encouraging/allowing more technical education after middle school or so. Four years of job training and early work experience would be far more beneficial than four years trying to teach basic algebra and random historic anecdotes
@@matthewgumabon7498 Honestly they are learning. In those clubs and activities they are learning many things and is very educational esp for jobs that are more into labor and art. More schools should honestly have more focus on activities and clubs and sports because it helps with confidence, communication, opening up perspectives, puzzle solving, etc. Those are all important in life and also important when you are going into fields where you may need to think outside the box and in a lot of cases working along side a team. Normal studies are also important but I dont think enough schools really focus on the "fun" aspects because they are just as equally beneficial.
In my class, we kept using the word "Otorhinolaryngology" all the time and thought we were clever even though it was literally the only word of that length that any of us knew, and obviously guessed in the first round.
12:45 is such a funny fucking screenshot like this just screams the tumblr/homestuck era humor that flows so strongly through this channel and I love it
Idea: the two-way version of hangman you mentioned at the end, where each player picks a word and they take turns guessing, but whenever either person guesses a letter they have to fill it in on their word AND their opponent’s word. That would make word choice and letter choice far more difficult so as to figure out the other person’s word but not give away your own.
@@isky6541 I believe I can make a PC/Android game about that, been working with Unity for a while. If she agrees we can make it free. The only weird part is that the game must ask the players the word first so they could cheat. An online version would be better.
Talk about weird childhood games. In Finland we had "Whose afraid of the black man?" Idea is that there is two lines with 10-15 meters space between. Players go to one line, and the "black man" tries to touch you after saying that rhyme. Players need to hurry to the other line. If you are caught, you join as a black man. Game ends when everyone is the black man. TBH, I never thought of the "black man" as being literal black man, I always thought it was like some shadowmonster or something. Until I grew and figured it out. I think children don't quite understand the racism or morbidness of games, they just like to play.
Nykyään kouluissa ei enään mun mielestä pelata "kuka pelkään mustaa miestä" ymmärrettävästi, mutta "kuka pelkää jää miestä" on korvannut sen. Joka on omasta mielestä paljon parempi nykyiseen koulumaailmaan
I love how he was so specific “ revealing the word is Fhqwgads then the they complain it’s not a real word, the argument then escalates in the family restaurant” was💀
To me hangman (as the executioner) can say: “Hey you’re my friend and I love you, so I’m helping keep you entertained while we wait for what ever we are waiting for and seeing you have fun is keeping me entertained too.”
Damn this guy sounds like he would use logic to defend the idea of using a tazer in tag because of there being no standardized rules which prohibit it.
I used to love hangman so much as a kid. Never really thought about how bizarre the theme was. As I’ve grown up now, it’s quite odd to me and got me really curious how everyone is still open to play this game, but tbh I still sometimes miss those days playing hangman without any other stress lol.
Your perfect strategy isn't actually optimal at winning hangman. It is optimal at maximizing the probability that you guess the next move right, but that isn't synonymous with maximizing the probability that you win the game. Allow me to provide an illustrative example. We'll use the dictionary of legal words {Az, Ay, Ax, Bc, dB}, with all canonical english letters being fair game, and also assume they are equally likely to be chosen. Notice that A and B are the only letters that appear in multiple words. Say the current board state is _ _, with the guesser having exhausted all but one last guess. By your strategy, the player guesses A, the most likely choice of a present letter. We then see that the probability of there indeed being an A is 3/5, and in that case there is a 1/3 chance of winning. There is a 2/5 chance that no A is revealed, in which case there is a 0% chance of winning. That means the total probability of winning after having chosen A is 1/5. If alternatively we choose B against the recommendation of the "perfect strategy", we then have a 3/5 chance of losing outright, if there is no B. However, if a B is revealed, the information presented by the location it takes inside the word guarantees a 100% chance of winning, meaning the win probability having chosen B is 2/5. You want to maintain a high probability of guessing correctly, but it is also crucial to optimize also for the information gained by making a move. A balance has to be found between the two.
hangman with depth-first search you need to identify all the places in your wordlist where the letter may show up, then have a new list of probabilities for each combinations of where that letter is in other words, you don't need to split on yes/no "is 'z' in the word" you need to split on each combination of z's so for instance, "_ _ Z Z" (the one that includes "jazz" and "fuzz") is a different distribution from "_ _ _ Z" (the one that includes "putz") I bet we could figure out a better way to organize the wordlist so you don't need to do regex math for every single entry in it if you put the words into some kind of structure. In computer science there's a time/space tradeoff, so if you include "jazz" with both the J's and the Z's you'd spend less time looking for jazz but you'd use more hard drive space I want to try to find a truly optimal hangman strategy now lol
I was going to comment something like this, but with a different argument. Jan Misali's "perfect strategy" is, in game theory terms, a pure strategy. It might perform well against an executioner who is picking randomly from a dictionary, but if the executioner is an intelligent opponent who knows the guesser's strategy, they could employ a counter strategy by picking whatever word would rack up the most wrong guesses. The Nash equilibrium strategy, where neither player could gain an advantage by changing just their own strategy, would have to be a mixed strategy, where each pure strategy is assigned some probability of being chosen. Someone elsewhere in the comment section mentioned Shannon entropy as a way of estimating how much information each guess would give you.
A similar argument helps explain why "jazz" might indeed be harder to guess than "jizz". 'A' is an easier letter to guess than 'I' but guessing it gives less information.
We had a game, as children, "Pencil Wars." We drew characters, weapons, attacks, and frought by turns. Damage depended on if it looked good. Basically to win you need to convince your opponent that you won. So, to win you need to sometimes loose, cuz if you always winning, your opponent wont play.
Insert Jordan Peterson talking about how when rats wrestle, the big rat has to let the little rat win 30% of the time or the little rat won't want to play.
Lol sound like you had fun xD We usually played 2 games in class. One was... you turn around to the table behind you and give them a sheet with a table (city, capital, country, plant, I cant remeber the rest lol) and then you randomly choose a letter. The first to write the name of everything in the table that starts on the letter you have chosen is the winner. Second game was just battle ships drawn on paper :P Ofc there us also tictactoe but after filling the entire back page with that it gets boring xD
This channel is magic : what channel has a focus on conlangs , becomes famous for being the biggest advocate for base six numerals , does shitpost half of the time and then pulls out a 20 minutes video on hangman ? I forgot the most beloved video on this channel is about the letter W ...
This is the first video from this channel I've ever seen, and I notice that 6 of the top 7 recommended videos on the right are all from this channel. I don't think I've ever seen that, and from it I gather that the UA-cam algorithm has no idea what else is similar to this video, except that if I like it I probably will enjoy them all.
@@kindoflame yeah , nowvthat you make me think about it they share some carachteristics : minimalist style , talking very rationally about really abstract things and publishing videos about many subjects . The part that didn't make me connect the two is probably both the sub gap , i mean CGP is almost a youtube god alongside Vsauce and kurgasast while this is a baby channel , and the humor , yan misaly has a lot more self deprecating humor while CGP makes a lot more "blink and you'll miss it" animations jokes ...
the more "details" me, my friends, and my family added on hangman were: •wood •gasoline •a few flames •a bunch of flames I had a great childhood edit: I just remembered, the person that we were drawing being hanged was the guesser, and if the guesser lost, we were laughing in their face saying that they're dead
We did this in class once and I was the guesser I won, the girl who tried to hang had to guess the word 'bioremediation' It wasn't my funeral we celebrated that day
It’s easy to make hangman an asymmetric competitive game. Just standardize the number of turns, settle on dictionary of words to use, and have the executioner write down the word and hide it ahead of time. That’s the scenario I want to look it, mathematically it most have some sort of equilibrium strategy. It’s interesting to think about because the optimal strategy for the executioner is NOT to choose the hardest word because then the guesser would know to just guess that word, some sort of randomization would be involved but it’s not clear how.
My schools didn’t “censor” it when we played. Gallows were almost always included
Gallows was the only required rule at my school.
Mine neither.
Mine neither
idk why, but our hang man loses were to make the hangman's limbs be set on fire or to be cut.
Very dark now that I think about it. Like those soldiers using war slaves as target practices
Simón Aguilar jesus christ
As you note, playing to "win" as the executioner is not very fun, but you don't quite make the leap to it not really being an adversarial game. The goal of the executioner is to create a customized challenge for the guesser, calibrating the difficulty to their skill level so it's possible but not trivial. Perhaps the best analogy is a game master in a table-top roleplaying game.
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"hangman is a simple ttrpg" is quite the take but I am here for it
Now I kinda want to design a barebones ttrpg with Hangman mechanics.
@@zrrion6the6insect6 my mind has been opened
Exactly that. The problem with hangman is that some Game Masters get off on torturing the players, which is when it becomes adversarial and cheating/muddy game rules get encouraged. The GM that likes to give others a good experience will have fun when the word finally clicks with the guesser, especially if it is a rare in-group word or a joke. The reveal of the word is a goal then, and even a fail-state will have some satisfaction for all.
The difference is that multiple guessers can compete with each other for score or as a race, which is more common and easier in hangman than in RPGs.
"the guesser"
oh ok that name makes sense
"the EXECUTIONER"
oh ok
I'm sensing a difference in severity here...
It went from 1 to 100 REALLY FAST
Well he isn't wrong, since the goal of the executioner is to hang the hangman¯\_(ツ)_/¯
www.quora.com/What-is-the-origin-of-the-game-hangman
my dumb ass: the guesser and the guessee
I like the idea that "winning" as the executioner isn't a "I drew the person you lose", it's more of "I got to spend 20 minutes doodling a super detailed person before you finally got it" like the number of lines isn't the guesser's lives, it's the executioner's score.
“I was able to give this dying man a backstory, a home, a family, and you STILL haven’t learned that the word was ‘jizz’!”
@@WuhHuh🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
@@twelved4983what jazz is called in the Star Wars universe, clearly (no but for real, that's the canon name for that type of music in those films 💀)
Who draws a detailed person dawg that’s just odd
what
I love how you didn’t even mention the fact that when the guesser wins, the executioner is left with either a disembodied head, or an amputated corpse.
Or just an empty gallows if the guesser is both lucky and smart enough.
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When I and the guesser wins I erase or scribble out the half hanging man and draw a guy who is very happy because he avoided the noose
Profit then lol
can we take a moment that this guy basically wrote a several pages long analysis paper and then made a full video with text and drawings for it? like, wow, that's impressive
and the special thanks?
It *is* his job... at least part time.
Why use vowels at all? Allow "nth" to introduce itself.
Gonna use this when a teacher gives us a free project (choose your own topic)
@@littleamig0 🤔 I choose ‘Choose’!
how to win as a guesser: use an incredibly complicated strategy
how to win as executioner:
be a *jerk*
how to win as a guesser: *see that smug face of them and realize they used their favourite "meme" word*
Fhqwhgads
be hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia
Jazz
Kiwi
The executioner serves a role, not as a competitor, but as a sort of _game master_ . It's the same idea as a person creating a puzzle for another person to solve. You want to give them a challenge but you also want to see them overcome that challenge. Except for in this case, the puzzle requires another entity to facilitate it, be it a person or computer. It's like the game Mastermind (or Wordle for a more relevant example), where you have to guess the colors or letters in an order, but you need something or someone else to track the puzzle for you since that requires knowing the solution already.
it's like a challenge lock in locksport. Hangman is a puzzle game in disguise as a word guessing game.
It’s kind of like dungeons and dragons. If the dungeon master really wanted to “win” they could just make something impossible to beat, or come up with something on a whim whenever the party was doing well, just like hangman. But that would be no fun.
You don't need another person. The solution is literally the paper and pencil, the 'word' MUST be written down BEFORE the round starts by the executioner. It is that easy. The executioner can't change the word if it has already been written down and put aside out of view of the guesser.
@@menoobslayer you need the other person to tell the guesser if they make correct guesses or not because there'd be no way for them to check without spoiling the solution.
But yes, using a piece of paper does help curb the executioner from cheating. The idea, though, is that this isn't the kind of game executioner would benefit from cheating because they *want* the guesser to win, unless the executioner is the type that has fun annoying others. I tend to avoid those people lmao
I would argue that it is an extremely boring game that is only fun at the intersection of "terminally bored" and "have nothing but paper and a pencil and a friend." Which means that there is an incentive to make the game entertaining for both parties. After all, you are always 6 guesses away from being the new "game master." If they try to eff you with some BS, you either quit or do the same thing back.
I would say that one thing he claimed isn't true. Winning as the executioner IS fun. But it's so idiotically easy to cheat that nobody would do it. Unless money is involved, cheating is only fun when it's difficult and adds an element of risk. People wouldn't only think you are a dick for cheating, they might even think of you as just a generally pathetic human being.
So playing fairly and still winning makes you feel clever. You created a mini puzzle for yourself-- Given an arbitrary set of personal rules for what words are fair, which word would be difficult to guess?
I want to be this kinda person, that takes a random subject and can talk so interestingly about it that keeps me with them for 19 minutes
That's not an inherited trait, it's a built up trait. Just practice
Like trying to meet a word count on an essay
I was literally just thinking about that, me too
@@SamuelTrademarked acquired*
@@kedamono8616 Thanks
"To make it extra hard, don't even write down their wrong guesses, force them to remember it by themselves"
This man is evil
In my part of my country, we don't mark the letters that are not in the word or the repeating word (our alphabet has 30 letters)
@@lukaklasic4823 oh, you play hangman where your from? Which country? I didn't think it was a very popular or known game outside of only one or two countries 😮
@@justlivinglife1167 I am from Croatia and it is a well know game here, although we call it "Vješala" (translate it from Croatian to English) and we even, sometimes, use full sentences:
_ | _ _ | _ _ _ _ | _ _ _ _ _ _ _
(Vertical lines represent spaces inbetween words)
And for the repeated guesses on the letters, every repeated guess is a new line added to the hangman.
If you want to know anything about Croatia, feel free to ask 😁
@@justlivinglife1167 We here from Mexico play the hanged man too
@@lukaklasic4823 sorry for the late reply, but that sounds really cool😁. I've heard of croatia before but never took the time to learn more. So I guess first off where is it in the world? And how much different is that language from English😮?
Hangman *is* a word-guessing game, but under "no-cheating" rules, it's more like a player-vs-dungeon-master rather than player-vs-player game.
I agree, one side functions as the player the other works as a game master, a game masters role is not to win but to create a win/lose condition for the player, thats why we don't hear "I beat that guy at hangman".
For this reason, depending on who you're playing with, extra rules or clarifications might be given at the start of the game, and if someone uses an aphostrophe as a letter in one round it will usually be understood as an explicit rule on the next round.
Even then it is an odd one out among word guessing games, just like portal is a weird first person shooter and better explained as a puzzle game, hangman is better defined as simply an asymetrical guessing game, because every guess gives you new information and it is posible to form a strategy around this information.
Now that I think about it, i recall that a lot of the time, the executioner would start to make the stick figure really elaborate to give everyone time to think--really supports the 'pvd/e' outlook over 'pvp'
I agree, but i think it is more like RPGs in a cheating scenario, seeing that the GM will commonly "cheat", but not for him tom win, but to provide more fun to the players
This is especially true in classroom hangman where the actual competition isn't between the executioner and the guessers but between multiple guessers, each competing for the prize of being the next executioner.
Unless you take turns switching who's the guesser and who's the executioner.
There was a trend in my 5th grade class to use the word "rhombicosidodecahedron" as the hangman word. Unfortunately after two uses, the guessers won before all the blanks were drawn
geometry, biology and chemistry are the king dictionaries for hangman
spherical pentagonal icosikaitetrahedron
stella octangula
*makes the word rhombicosidodecahedrons*
ya like jazz?
"queue" is a surprisingly fun word to use in hangman. Things go well untill suddenly "da faq is '_ueue'? Is that even a word in english?" And i happily reassure them that it is a word they know.
But then you realize u always go after q,, so eh
@@souheki_ A 'q' (debatably) is always followed by a 'u', but a 'u' is not always preceded by a 'q'!
@@frznbxy thank you, but you claim it is debatable. Do you know any examples?
@@punkgreg1388 There are quite a lot, almost all of them are foreign words. Qi, Qigong, Faqirs, Niqab, Qibla, etcetera. There are also quite a lot of words that are traditionally written in common english with a K or C that are also written with a Q in some instances.
@@SynonamessBotchKevin well I was referring to just English sense it tends to require q be followed by u. Could you give a few examples of just English words?
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i'm now the world's best hangman player
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Multiple times i legit did the word "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" just to make people hate me.
In school we played the one where you also draw the gallows (I can't really remember any one with a pre-made gallow, even if it's just adding the rope). And there used to be the odd executioner that'd go as far as drawing fingers until someone finally got it.
i always add a top hat, bow tie, cane, shoes, etc until they FINALLY figure it out
Yeah that’s how we played too
That's the system my family used. Fingers, toes, hair, facial features... These poor guys got themselves a lot of detail. Including poses, sometimes.
Oh hey, I recognize your pfp! I don't speak toki pona but it always sounded interesting.
*have you all forgotten about the hair and many accessories on the man*
My school banned hangman due to the nature of hanging someone, so a group of students created a new word guessing game called: "Car crash"
How do you play car crash?
Man I wish there was a way to make driving more fun
A children's spelling game:
@rock12419 You just gotta love a child's imagination.
We should publicly shame schools that ban Hangman. SCHOOLS OFFICALLY HAVE NO RIGHTS TO BAN HANGMAN.
@@mako8091You gotta thank the abusive parents for that
I always thought the "don't be a dick" rule was generally universal
they always start out with "I always thought..."
Mazarin IV
I’m kinda confused but it’s still funny.💀
@@mazarinivmikeoxlong-dedica969 ?
If only!
If someone uses joyousness I’m slapping the shit out of them.
I knew the jazz thing in advance. One time my family was in a restaurant waiting for food and we were all like "let's play hangman". My stepsister pulled out her phone and googled something, then drew 4 dashes on the paper. I was like "is it jazz" and she was totally aghast. Like, maybe don't pick the word that's famous for being the hardest to guess.
Instead, pick 死ぬ, the Japanese word for death.
When they fail to guess, they've died.
@@OrangeC7 or just use kanji in general. 1997 in 2000 (embracing the 3 line hangman) would be good odds of winning
Though using kanji for letters would be more akin to using, say, the universal symbol of disability or the stop sign. Hiragana is the Japanese alphabet, so using kanji would be like using one of those weird fonts of symbols.
@@pheonifire I was actually thinking that perhaps Japanese hangman would be guessed based on the radicals?
The problem with hiragana and radicals, though, is that there are so many of both that it makes the game much more difficult.
@@OrangeC7 Radicals are more for Chinese, Japanese is pretty good with kana. 44 letters is not very much. The bigger problem, I think, is that Japanese roots aren’t very long.
Strengths is a good one - nine letters, one vowel. Players assume there must be more vowels in it, and so waste turns guessing them.
Yeah, but it's also almost entirely composed of the most common letters. Not super hard to recover from even if you start with all the vowels.
@@dannykent6190 True! I guess “strengths” is best suited to variants with a strict guess limit.
bold of you to assume i didnt pick my letters randomly lmao
ya like jazz
Hangman im German is funny, where "Rinderkennzeichnungsfleischettiketierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz" (litterally the law, regarding the assignment of the duties for the surveilance of the labeling of beef and yes it's one word in german, that's even Part of the Dictonary) would be a completly fine, valid word with just 79 letters and 26 vowels (if i counted correctly)
And yes, i did this once. In school. Was a surprisingly fast game
Years ago, I played this with my granny on a roadtrip and she couldn't guess the word "camera".
I ended up giving the hangman hair, shoes, a face, a purse, and I realised I totally skipped over the letters she guessed right because I was so focussed on dressing it up 😅
We all knew that good guy who put a smilie face, hair, clothes until you got it
Ofc i know him. He's me
HappyBalaga you angel
All my teachers would start with the 5 strokes, then add hair, a piece of headgear, smile, eyes, nose, shoes, and (if the stick figure was supposed to be a girl) one accessory like a hairtie
that was me
I did that
> "I've been thinking about hangman a lot recently,"
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are you okay
That's something jschlatt would post on his community tab tbh
@@avo1675 "Thinking about hanging men."
Buster wolf
Quarantine takes a lot out of you
it’s quarantine
I've literally never considered how morbid the game is. I just accepted it
Same.
It's that game where we all know from young.
that actually make us think about the psychology of a human. will he accept killing because everybody deqls with it like it's normal ? humans are weird sometimes
@@Koptous I think because whenever we think about hangman, (the kind with the trap device and everything) its seen as that person doing a crime, something criminal. So if we instead not use that device and used a tree instead, we'd be sympathetic because the man killed himself.
yeah same
In the Hungarian language there are multiple duble letter (sz, ty, gy, dz, ly) and one triple letter (dzs). We have to connect these letters line with a curve under neath. If a word contains for exaple the letter , and the guesser guess the and we consider them wrong.
The is one of the least common letter (except for the , , and , bc we use them almost nowhere, exept in old surnames)
P.S.:Our ABC is 44 letters long...
"A teacher takes the role of executioner"
classic
bruh
My god I love Danganronpa.
Monokuma
If that doesn't describe school in a nutshell, nothing can.
I’ve never seen hangman done with anything other than a man being hanged, even in a classroom.
my German teacher in primary school thought the hanged man will give us nightmares so she drew a hanged spider
@@fdsjdhebjcs6726 funny, never heard of someone having nightmares because of this, it's kinda of weird if you think about it, the game idea is really brutal after all.
@@oscarchavezavellan2738 No it's not. Look at human history. People today are just spoiled and used to living in peace. Never witnessing violence and death. If the game "hangman" is disturbing to you, then I have some bad news for you.
@@WhoopsieDayZ hahaha disturbing wouldn't be the word, for me it's just curious how such a brutal concept of a game could survived within a world that's becoming more and more sensible. I meant weird precisely because how sensible we're nowadays, I'd understand this kind of games in another era, but it's weird how it could survived without a major change in this time. Btw, I've read berserk so this game is faaar away to be disturbing for me, I only think it's funny how a game with such a brutal concept is still considered a game for kids and nobody really thinks how dark the idea of the game is.
In my elementary school we called it “Build-A-Man”
My favorite hangman word is “Sphynx” or “Zookeeper”. People almost never guess x or z so I win most of the time
Try quasar and pulsar. Also syzygy. They’re all terms for different things or events in space.
yeah it's really hard to guess a word when it's not spelled correctly
betterert How did it take me this long to realize I made a typo😂
@@alliell oh my gosh I just realized too lmao
I now wish there were more words with X on Spanish.
The “there’s a better word than jazz by just changing the vowel” joke is underrated
What does it mean ?
That word is probably zippers.
@@dextreme7186 hmm yes.. you very clearly *just* changed the vowel.
Juzz
Never let them know you next move
@@beanids Jozz
I don't think the reason the executioner avoids cheating in most cases is due to the fun level of winning. It's clearly a social pact where there's an unspoken agreement that you are playing in good faith. Even kids understand quickly that if you cheat, no one wants to play games with you.
Looks like hackers in video games didn’t pick that up in school
@@mayoactual2065 that's bc in games without anti cheat, hackers aren't punished, a kid will run out of friends to play hangman with, but hackers have the entire internet world to mess with
Haha tell that to my siblings
No one wants to play Hangman with me? Sounds good to me. If anyone ever asks to play hangman, I'll say yes then do all the cheats. My favorite is the random letters and the letting them go 5 turns without actually picking a word
@@zepharephic5381 just say no it isnt that hard.
Someone once tried to use "Antidisestablishmentarianism" on the belief that no one would ever guess such a long word. I managed to guess the word without needing a single letter because there are no other 28 letter words in the English language. Honestly, it was more impressive that they knew how to spell it then my being able to guess it.
Yep. I did that in primary school, except that I won because nobody knew that word. I mostly just enjoyed the thrill of people getting more and more incredulous as I kept adding little dashes.
r/iamverysmart
@@adrianpaul1985 He’s not just smart, his classmates were stupid
@@moistedits4455 I had never heard of that word until earlier today, and I’m 20 years old. I must be fucking retarded
@@fecalmatter442 ahhhhhh, yeah....... I don’t think I know a single person who doesn’t know that word. It was a pretty big meme when I was like 10
My go to word when I’m playing Hangman against people that don’t know any better is “Uncopyrightable”; it’s the longest word in the English language with no repeating letters.
smart man
You’re satan himself
Satan himself fears you
That’s kind of counterproductive because since you used so many unique letters the guesser has over a 50% chance of correctly guessing a letter. You also used all 5 vowels
@@bostoncox8757 jerkish you mean? Given the letters, the chances of losing is higher because you're only filling in one space each time you get a letter correct. People will get hung up by the word trying to figure it out; uncopyrightable would never cross their mind because you usually wouldn't say that under typical circumstances and borders on not sounding like a word.
I've always thought of Hangman like if the guy hangs then no one wins, but if the guessers guess the word, then they win, and the "executioner" is just someone who does the game.
Executioner is the _dealer_
The best word is OAT.
Sure, they guess the A and T, but there are over 20 3-letter words ending in AT. It's unintuitive to guess a vowel, so you have time to make a detailed hangman. Then reveal the simple word and leave them completely demoralized.
I always start with vowels though.
@@eveakane6563 who doeent start with vowels right?
@@djneonreaper4990 Though you generally don't guess O at the start
@@davinchristino why not? It is still worth saying especially if it's a longer word where E is more probable
@@eveakane6563 would you continue guessing vowels if its a 3 letter word and you already have the a in the middle?
If you use "queue", when someone guesses the letter "q", they put the q down, but when someone guesses the word "queue", you can say that they already guessed it lol
Works with stuff like “see” and “why” as well
@@gobleturky6192 It doesn't always work with "why" since not everyone pronounces Y the same as "why". Most people do though.
@@randomclownguy6 Hwil Hweaton.
😂
@@randomclownguy6 😄 theres a reason why see and why cant be guessed
Brb about to win some hangman
1. You watch jan Misali?
2. Kay, are you back?
wasnt expecting to see you here
Do Hurrian Hymn 6
Now make hangman a song
henlo
"You won't be able to convince them that's how hangman works, but the rules are vague enough that you can convince them that you *think* that's how hangman works"
Never has someone so succinctly explained trolling/concern trolling before
Or uno
@@Muho_is_me Uno's rules are not unwritten
@@MeemahSN but every people i play the rules seem to be different
@@MeemahSNNobody follows the rules though
this is actually a textbook example of gaslighting
"hangman is a game that everyone has played, but no one knows the rules to"
uno:
[tehe] lmao
Uno has caused so many arguments for me. Nobody reads the rules. For dos, you kind of have to
I-I read the rules....
But I forget oopsie ( ✌︎'ω')✌︎ ♪(´ε｀ )
Uno is so confusing
Like I'm just playing a normal game of uno, then outta nowhere my opponent throws a 0 (let's say it's blue) and then they put all their blue cards down.
I ask where tf they heard that rule from, and they said its common and that's how we play the game.
Somebody PLEASE tell me if they ever heard that rule and if yes, if it was ever common.
BECAUSE I JUST SAW IT AS A WAY TO CHEAT AND PUT MORE CARDS DOWN LIKE NO SARAH, PUT THOSE CARDS INTO THAT DANG PILE YOU CHEATER!!
@@ora2488 that's definitely cheating oh my god! XDD and I actually have read the rules and actually have a screenshot of the official (Mattel) Uno rules to reference when playing with non family members because seriously, no one plays the same rules (tho "house-rules" do make it more interesting sometimes)
I'll side with you if you can get people to start singing "apostrophe" as part of the alphabet song
people used to include ampersand (&) in the alphabet
a b c d e f g
h i j k lmnop
q r s
t u v
w x y
z apostrophe
An apostrophe is punctuation, not a letter
🎵A b c d e f g, h i j k apostrophe, l m n, o p q, r s t, x y z, now I know my ABCs, next time won't you sing with me🎶
Let me give it a try.
A B C D E F G
H I J K LMNOP
Q R S T U V
W X Y Z ampersand
apostrophe semicolon
double quotation hyphen question mark
exclamation mark colon
full stop comma brackets slash
Now I know my ABC's
Next time won't you sing with me
EDIT: Extra blank lines deleted.
One big point: Make sure the executioner had spelled the word correctly.
also, make sure they don't forget there are multiple cases of a letter in a word. idk how many times I played with my younger brother and lost, only to find out he only marked 1 case of each letter, even if there were multiple versions of it
Also also, make sure the executioner knows what they’re doing. I have this cousin who play hangman and never tells me where the other repeating letters are.
As a former guesser, I can attest that after losing a few times to the executioner, guessers stop guessing--and that robs the game of all joy for the executioner. So the executioner is motivated to pick simple-ish words that can be guessed, leading the guesser to build up confidence until they inevitably fail to guess a moderately easy word, which allows the executioner to never let them forget their loss.
I don’t think any 8-year-old gives it that much thought dude.
@desertrose0601 have you met 8-year-olds?
My teacher called it “hang person” she believed in everyone being hanged equally.
Props to her 😂
as an enby, i approve
But... hangman is a profession. A hanged person is just a criminal.
@@randon19yearold how dare you assume the teacher's gender :o
@@raghuvenkatesan6792 bruh the original comment literally says “her”
I like telling the guesser the subject is Disney characters and picking “Quasimodo”
I always join in on games where they've already gotten to the point of trying to stump each other with hard but legitimate words, so I'll pick french or italian words with a lot of common letters. It's fun to watch peoples' brains break when they can't figure out the last letter or two.
I’m actually thinking about that musical before reading this.
I watched the movie, live action musical and read the book. If I didn’t get that I’d be so annoyed
But it has four of the five vowels, wouldn't people guess that easily?
@@speccysquaregolike9629 no one remembers his name
"everyone has played it, but nobody knows the rules"
That's just Uno for me. I mean, I know there *are* rules, but every group has their own.
Uno is an extremely cultural game. Every family and friend group will have small tweaks to the rules
@@brunopereira6789 That's one of the things I love about it.
Lmao whenever the deck runs out we dont end the round, we put every card on the discard pile except the top card, and then continue(we also dont have points)
@@joseflabajo7739 Yeah same!
The worst part about the differences is everyone insisting that their set of rules is THE correct one, even though it’s not even close to the set in the rule book. (which, might I add, involves points and is overall a lot more complicated than it needs to be.)
In Portuguese we use til and accents in a lot of words and when we play hangman we tend to include them when the player says the original letter like the word Não (no) if a player says "A" we mark it as à because it wouldn't make sense to play it otherwise. we also have "ç" which is it's own letter but we consider when people says "C"
Is "ç" is normaly spelled like when you put a "ch" in a word?
@@Muho_is_me no its more like a SSS like SAo
That's really interesting, thank you for sharing!
No, Ch sounds more like "sh" as in "fashion". Ç sounds like S.@@Muho_is_me
I like how you used the word “executioner” because not only are they preforming the task, they are executing a man.
That’s the point…
@@makaylaggg yeah lol
@@makaylaggg That’s the joint...
Congratulations you understood the very easy to understand the joke
you may now applaud
That’s PERforming. Not PRE.
Note to self: Never play hangman with this guy
i am surprissed that this man can talk about hangman for 19 minutes straight.
@@blauwbeer556 ikr
*distracts you by going into a 19-minute rant on the game, then proceeds to destroy you when you've forgotten completely what you thought the word was.*
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@@blauwbeer556 That's why I clicked on this video
in primary school my teacher would draw clothes, hair, and a big smile on the stickman when we weren’t getting the word
A man geting hanged with a big smile in front of primary schoolers...... great teatcher
@@nej.1190 the stickman wasn't getting hanged I'm guessing. I think the commenter meant to say they weren't getting hanged but instead they were on the floor
@@collideascopeii lol
@@nej.1190 bro what was he supposed to be crying n screaming tf
@@footlover9416 good piont but i seriously think that it would be better to teach children that getting haged is bad and not good. Or just not play a game where if the childern guess the letters wrong the teacher kills a man.
Fhqwgads will always be a real word in our hearts.
its also a homestar runner reference
@@MarshuTheBurninator KyafwonyA
I said a come on Fhqwgads
@@MarshuTheBurninatorNEOW
Everybody to the limit!
"usually in a classroom you would just cross out apples"
WHAT, I'VE BEEN KILLING MEN SINCE I WAS 3 YOU TELLING ME THIS JUST NOW
Yeah I've never seen that
same
My teachers played “hang spider.” It was the same thing except it was a spider hanging from silk. Not only did it make it easier for us dumbass kids to get the word, (more appendages to draw) but it also made it less morbid. We all liked the human kind better though.
why does this feel like an over-analyzed subject for a school video essay
and why do i love it
In elementary school, if we weren’t even close to finding the word, our teacher would give us more ‘chances’ by also burning the stick man. As in: ‘I lit a match’, ‘I placed the logs’, ‘I lit the fire’ and then crossing out the eyes.
I never found it weird, but I guess it was.
My teachers gave the man clothes and accessories.
My teachers used apples :(
My teachers would add more parts to the stickman. Instead of just the limbs, head and torso, they would also draw hands, feet, eyes, etc
My teachers just let the dude die.
How cute Christian teachers are!
I've never thought of hangman as competitive or cooperative. In my mind, the executioner was just there to facilitate the game as opposed to actively try and win it. Though I suppose that makes sense, since they do have say over what word is chosen. But the fact hangman isn't fun winning in the role of executioner has always meant people play it to see the guessers' reactions, in my experience; not to actively make them suffer. :D
True, hangman can often be played as a man vs environment kind of game rather than man vs man. The executioner is not a player, just the arbiter. The guesser's opponent is not another player, but the game itself
So hangman's executioner being adversarial is more akin to being a DM in D&D games. You act as the enemy, but really you want the other players to ultimately win. The goal isn't to win, but to provide just enough challenge so that your players need to play well in order to succeed, and as such feel a greater sense of accomplishment for doing so.
This is a perfect parallel! But the distance between a pen and paper hangman game and a full blown D&D campaign is very vast. Then again, I guess that's what makes hangman so interestingly weird/unique. It's exactly what makes D&D so unique.
This also means that a friend group could play a few sessions of hangman to determine who would most likely function best as the DM among them!
Eh
I always played it with the winner becoming the next executioner. you chose difficult words because you wanted the next executioner to present you with a challenge. which has a parallel with DnD, where it isn't uncommon for groups to take turns DMing. DMing is a lot of work, and while it is fun, playing DnD is objectively a better ratio of fun to work. the same is true of hangman. You may find choosing the word fun, and even take sadistic pleasure in watching your friend struggle to guess it, but the algorithmic tasks you have to take to communicate the right and wrong guesses aren't interesting.
so yeah, all that to say its a really good comparison. both games have very similar social characteristics, I think.
@@cheeseboi8769 wow
the contrast between your reply (in terms of size), and the replies around you is funny.
A
Alternative title: Most efficient way to lose all your friends
Nah, that game ain't mario party
This isn't Uno...
This is not mario kart
Yes but this is a strategy to always win at one of the simplest games. That's why technically it's the most efficient
Or the most efficient way to have your mom disown you
The weirdest part is that it hasn't lauched any updates since its release
That's because it's still in beta testing
it already dropped, but the optimal version for the speedrun is 1.0 so we use that instead of 1.3
It actually has semi frequent updates, but they’re just patches to add new words.
It's because they will get to it once the Elder Scrolls VI is out.
I heard that the developer tried to make it more realistic but we’ve never heard of them since then.
During the last week of senior year we played hangman. At first it was all fun with simple words, usually references to inside jokes and topics in class. Then our teacher picked "axt" (german for axe) and NOBODY guessed it. It was a massive defeat. After that nobody played fair anymore, it was all about how much you could destroy peoples will to live. I love the chaos that hangman can cause in a group of people. So simple yet so beautiful.
0:10 "I've been thinking about hangman a lot recently"
are you okay man? Do you need to talk to someone?
I wanna like but I’m just gonna leave it at the number it is 😂
okay who ruined it?
The Twilight Phoenix
“Who broke it? We’re not mad, we just wanna know.”
ᗪEEᖇ Ḁͦi̥ͦs̥ͦh̥ͦḁͦ not mad, just disappointed.
I'm going to hangman myself
One thing you didn’t mention as part of the strategy is context. Some people will choose a joke word, the smart friend might choose a harder word, etc. Someone’s personality can help you figure out what words they’re likely to choose.
and that was why my class always choose a theme for hangman xD
A way to make the game more cooperative would be to try and get streaks of correct words with no/few incorrect guesses, or you only get one "hangman" and have to stretch it across multiple words. By introducing the importance of series as an element of the game, it becomes even more weird, since very few other games do that. Call it Titanic or Flotilla or something, and every missed guess is a hole in the boat.
@@Bingo_Bango_ we played exactly that when playing hangman in primary school. We also did the simulatanious competitive hangman they mentioned at the end and also having a different gallows for each cluster of desks. Obviously we just were more creative than your average class... Apparently.
I loved this game as a kid. Back then, the fact that it was a person being hanged... didn't bother me at all. I didn't even think about it. It was just a game.
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huh
Simply put, it was normalized. We never thought it was morbid because no one around us thought it was either. This video is the first time I’m thinking about how weird the concept of hangman is, genuinely.
@@pokaay3163 True but I didn't see anyone being hanged really. So how is it normalised? I think it only implied that the guesser dies if they can't make it and not so morbid at all.
It was much more controversial way back when you knew someone who was hanged. It really added tension to the game.
Jim Crow Era game...
I feel like most creepy things or whatever are always for children like some nursery rhymes just have the most spine chilling meanings it's crazy.
Growing up in Greece, my favourite children's song was about a ship that was out to sea for so long that they ran out of food and eventually had to decide who to eat. In the French version, the young man chosen to be made into dinner is miraculously saved. In the Greek version, the boys nominate the girls, and the girls nominate the boys. Whoever yells for the other side to be eaten the loudest wins and the other side loses (aka turns to dinner).
We thought it was fun because we got to shout real loud 💀
@@egg_2705 who got eaten?
What’s crazy is that we’ve completely sanitized life for kids now to the point that they think mean words are the same as violence. The reason kids stories have traditionally been on the macabre side is because that’s the reality of life. Kids are curious about it and these stories and games help them make sense of it. Pretending life’s just a bunch of flowers never helped anyone.
Because nursery rhymes are meant to teach kids about complicated topics. Ring around the rosy teaches kids about germs and disease in an age where plagues were common.
@@desertrose0601 “Crazy”? “sanitized”? Adults freaking out whenever a word like “death” or “hell” is mentioned around kids is nothing new mate.
Kids have dark culture like messed up games, ditties and parody songs, because they go all-in on the freshly-learned topics of mortality, shock-value jokes and dark humor. Had it for a while, and I’m sure still have.
Adults just don’t want it to get out of control so kids don’t grow up with it as a benchmark of “normal” humor. That’s also how kids learn context, etiquette, and the impact of certain topics.
This makes me think of Hangman as being a bit like D&D. The executioner is like a Dungeon Master, they aren't trying to beat the guesser, only trying to give them a fun challenge.
That analogy was perfect
It's also pen and paper
By hanging a man
Was about to comment the same thing. The quote at the end "nobody knows exactly what the rules are" and "one player has nothing preventing them from cheating, something which they will only take advantage of to prevent themselves from winning" stuck out to me especially
_Wait so is my group's dm just an absolute dick?_
Imagine hangman in chinese, where there are 2000 individual characters whose meaning is specific to words
On top of that, most words in Chinese (not including compound terms) aren't even longer than 3 characters.
Inevitable death
They’d be drawing individual blades of grass on the ground
They could use pinyin if so inclined haha
@@Eyeofthetiger4072 LOL
In all my years of playing hangman, I never once thought to change the word in the middle of the match just to say the opponent has lost. What an incredibly devious play.
Change spelling during a game :D
People did this all the time in school and it was a horrendous crime- also it‘s difficult to do, as the changed word still has to fit what you‘ve already admitted
That's because you're a normal human being. Only psychos think up shit like that.
In my school that was commonplace. I still remember my favourite switch-triplet: Slave, Slate, Slake. Same 5-letter word, with 1 consonant difference. Kettle, Settle, Mettle was also a backup plan. Some classmates saw right through it - others never realised a thing. Revealed it to my 6th grade teacher when I left Junior school to go to Middle school - he just laughed :P
You (and me) are too good, i mean not evil
My teacher called it “hang-spider” and made us draw a spider instead of a man. I honestly never would’ve thought abt the fact that we were drawing a live execution if she hadn’t brought attention to it though
Remington?
I disagree on the fact that being the executioner is no fun.
When I used to play it in elementary school, I always wanted to guess the word JUST to get the power to become an executioner for the next round, choose a word and help the others guess it. In the end, classroom hangman is not a competitive game, but rather a collaborative game.
he didnt say “being” the executioner isnt fun. he said “winning as” the executioner isnt fun
@Deh Alcântara ya that’s what everyone and I did growing up, who the hell didn’t want to be the executioner? It was just a competition to see who could guess the word and be the next one to make the word😂 the incredulous look you’d get when you reveal the world and people start saying ‘we never would have gotten that’, ‘that’s not fair’, ‘pick a different word’😌. And start complaining to others or (depending on your age) complain to the teacher, *cue whiny child voice* “MISSSSSSSSS”. The word is echoing in mind as I type this, can imagine the exact sing-song whiny tone it’s spoken in😂
@@kawansiesquad6659 Found the selfish sadist.
@@hopelesslydull7588 hey, if u can’t beat ‘em then join em. I’m just doing what everyone else does and instead of complaining and whining about it I take it in stride and find the humour and fun in the situation😅😂
I liked wining as executioner, and I won a lot as a would throw hard words for 3 graders like "neutrophil" and "cricanthopelta" (I have hyper-fixations)
jan Misali: My word is __. what is my word?
guesser: guesses the 26 letters of the alphabet
jan Misali: FOOL my word was " ' "
underrated
NANI!?
ACKSHULLY there are only 20 letters in the alphabet.
@@wildfire9280 I think you forgot U R A Q T
Then I pick &, the 27th letter.
“Many children’s games have dark themes, from ring around the Rosie to Fortnite”
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It's true
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when i was in outpatient for anxiety management, we did one called “build a house”. that’s when I personally realized how strange hangman was. Great video!
"everyone has played it, but nobody knows the rules"
I'd argue this is true for basically any oral tradition game. There's a million little variants you could add to each, some of which become core to different groups of people. Even with Tag, "no tagbacks" was the default way I played it, with potential qualifiers like "for 10 seconds". Does pure Tag have tagbacks? Does that rely on the release of contact, or can tagging only happen with the hands? I could not be sure that I have the same rules as another person without asking.
Tag is really interesting with all the variants kids come up with. You can take freeze tag and turn it into pose tag or turn it into toilet tag. There’s zombie tag and secret tag and gravel and zoobreak (which are basically tag) I guess that sort of game just evolves however you want
At school, we had "no tagbacks" for any length of time, but at karate, before things started, skilled tagbacking was the cornerstone of the game. With occasionally tense standoffs of tagging someone an even number of times and dashing away because you expected them to tag you back an odd number of times.
That's true. It's happening with a popular card game (at least in my country): Uno. Everybody have played it, but every one has different rules to it
It is because variety is in the nature of games; there are many different rulesets for what goes by one name, but is actually a collection of closely related games. Almost all games are folk games or become folk games.
Even UNO can have different rules depending on who's playing. Nobody really reads that rule sheet. Sometimes people get rid of a rule they don't like too.
"After all, there's another word that's exactly the same as jazz except that the 'a' is replaced with a less common vowel."
Oh man, I am so juzzed.
The joke was so good I jozzed my pants.
I went searching for this comment and the first reply was even better
this comment gave jizzes!
For those wondering, it's "jwzz".
Jezz
17:21 There was a Wheel of Fortune episode where the contestant immediately guessed the correct answer without any letters because it was for the category fictional characters and it was "Shaggy and Scooby-Doo", they were required to put the dash on the board automatically because it wasn't considered a letter, and the answer actually did look very obvious because of it.
@Axtwyt Starkiller ah yes, scooby and spider-man, name a more iconic duo lol
@@PandaXs1 Dunno if you're deliberately joking but they meant that the dash could've indicated Scooby-Doo or Spider-Man. Putting Shaggy with Scooby narrowed it down.
reminds me of that wheel of fortune screenshot (not sure if it was real but the point stands either way) where the category was “80’s song lyrics” and no letters were guessed but the answer was very obviously “never gonna give you up”. but the thing about wheel of fortune is that guessing the answer immediately is a bad move strategically because you don’t win any money (i think. you might win 1,000 dollars. it’s been a while since i watched wheel of fortune)
699 likes ;)
One problem with your guesser strategy: It gets completely demolished by certain executioner strategies. For example, if the executioner figures out your strategy, they can just pick words that deliberately counter it, and you will always lose. To make a truly "perfect strategy" from a game theory perspective, you would need to introduce an element of randomness to your guesses.
Consider this: Hangman is actually a 1 player game with a host. Assuming that the host don't "cheat", there's not much they can do after the initial setup. Winning is also not fun for them, as established.
It's also funny that this is included in your terminology, they are executing the rules not playing the game.
@paula
That's interesting. I have never found it fun to play as the executioner. Why do you feel that way?
Dávid Gábor Bodor it’s like D&D with one player
I like this take
Nah
@paula i guess winning in a game where you have so much more possibilities to win than your opponent is kinda lame. But if we count out any possibility to cheat then the will to win actually can be taken into consideration. Though in my very personal opinion hangman is still a pretty lame game
That moment when the example word was "fhqwhgads" made me die.
SBEmail for the win.
Everybody to the limit. The Cheat is to the limit. Everybody come on Fhqwhgads.
It doesn't sound like it looks.
Come on fhqwhgads
Fhqwhgads
playing it in german is allways funny, because most times its agreed on that ä,ö and ü are spelled as ae, oe, ue and ß as either ss or sz, so words that usually look like this äußere, become aeuszere, basically they look completely different and get really hard to guess
I think it just becomes aeussere not aeuszere
@@Benutzername474 i know the version where you replace ß with sz instead of ss to avoid confusion, because there are so many words who already have ss in them, that's why I mentioned that there are two versions
That's pretty genius
Why can't you just use the original letter?
@@eduardoledesma5568 to avoid the debate whether an ä also has to be written down when someone guesses a for example
I always played where the executioner would have to write their word down on a hidden piece of paper at the start, to prevent them swapping it mid-game. I’m pretty sure this called way more attention to that way of cheating really
I am an English teacher in Japan. As many may know, Japan has a reputation of high suicide rates, particularly by hanging. Being of Western (non-Japanese) birth, I remember from our initial teacher training that we were strongly advised to NOT use hangman as a classroom activity, for obvious reasons. (As a side note, not all Japanese schools are hardcore and purely academic focused. I teach at “non-academic” high school, and my kids are very happy, spend time doing things they like, and generally don’t care much for academics. They enjoy their lives!).
It was really only then when it dawned on me that hangman had an incredibly morbid theme and made me question why out of all possible situations, SAVING A PERSON FROM HANGING has become the most popular fictional goal for a schoolchildren spelling game???
Who thought of that!?!
Can you elaborate more on the "non-academic" high school? What's the objective? Are there any expectations?
@@MathStringInputOutpu
There are essentially 2 kinds of high schools in Japan.
1.) Academic high schools. Students put heavy focus on study to prepare for university. Usually the whole final year of academic high school is devoted to studying for entrance exams. Because of this, the students are usually passive, well-behaved and either naturally intelligent or at least well studied. But they also tend to be depressed, overworked, anti-social and generally exhausted all the time.
2.) Non-academic high school. These schools mainly serve to prepare students for work right after graduation; civil service, clerical, or infrastructure related jobs. Usually these schools take the form of “Technical”, “Commercial”, and “Agricultural” High Schools. The students are not expected to study that hard (or at all), so they live and breathe their club activities (sports, music, art, cultural performance, etc.) which can be hardcore (I am a member of my school’s big band, and we practice every day after school, and on Saturday mornings, for 3-4 hours, even during vacations.)
So, the students generally are not interested in learning (which is frustrating for me, their teacher). But they also tend to be much more happy, funny, and outgoing (which makes me happy).
My kids might not change the world or be the best in their fields, but they enjoy their lives and grow up to do jobs that support their communities. It can be a pain in the ass to teach them English, but I wouldn’t change a thing about them.
@@matthewgumabon7498 sounds similar to some European schools as well. It seems to me the non-academic schools would really fill the gaping hole in the American system
@@MathStringInputOutpu America (and probably most other places) has a serious problem with the decline of trades and skilled labor that could be helped by encouraging/allowing more technical education after middle school or so. Four years of job training and early work experience would be far more beneficial than four years trying to teach basic algebra and random historic anecdotes
@@matthewgumabon7498 Honestly they are learning. In those clubs and activities they are learning many things and is very educational esp for jobs that are more into labor and art. More schools should honestly have more focus on activities and clubs and sports because it helps with confidence, communication, opening up perspectives, puzzle solving, etc. Those are all important in life and also important when you are going into fields where you may need to think outside the box and in a lot of cases working along side a team. Normal studies are also important but I dont think enough schools really focus on the "fun" aspects because they are just as equally beneficial.
never lost with “zephyr”
I used this word and I had to keep adding things till they got it so we had went through most of the alphabet and it was hilarious.
I guarantee your first loss will be to a Spyro fan
@@hyrulehero2773 or someone who plays warframe
@@SStarry_Days the gam ends when you fail enough times so how the hell did you go through the whole alphabet of remaining letters
@@illford cus we just cept going till someone got it.
Isn’t hangman like Monopoly, everyone knows how to play Monopoly yet no one knows how to actually play Monopoly
at least monopoly _has_ official rules
@Ivar I dissagree.
@@HBMmaster And yet, few people actually read them. It took me years to realise you're supposed to auction off a property whose purchase is declined!
@@DrRank I know, I just never have enough people playing to make it worth not skipping
Ívar just get lucky and buy the last set of terrains in the second street, lol
The fact that "Jizz" is the true hardest word to guess in hangman is very amusing to me
The way he says 'fhqwhgads' with such a neutral and serious tone got me choking jdhdgshsgdggd
It is actually a homestar runner reference
@@mennaalragaby8498 I also end up in the random side of UA-cam
@@Duckyletsplay it could be you ;)
@@Duckyletsplay fair
I mean, if everyone liked me the best, I would be very overwhelmed
Fu qu he gads
In my class, we kept using the word "Otorhinolaryngology" all the time and thought we were clever even though it was literally the only word of that length that any of us knew, and obviously guessed in the first round.
lol what does that word even mean
@@lotusflower2062 it’s a medical specialty for nose, throat and ear problems ;)
Omg sameeee we used otolingolaringorog all the time
Gonna use pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis for my next hangman game
@@tendrilitis I’ll use Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia
this sounds like he's trying to explain earth games to aliens
Who told you he isn’t?
Yes, that was very helpful to me.
Your tooth brush is in the toaster. You better take it out before the house lights on fire.
@@lennygirlthetruesavvysavag2410 gotcha, eat the toaster
Yes.
12:45 is such a funny fucking screenshot like this just screams the tumblr/homestuck era humor that flows so strongly through this channel and I love it
When did UA-cam allow the video timeline to be split up according to parts, that's pretty neat
The people at the hub did this too
@@Nerkolly They did it first, youtube just took the idea :P
For some time already but now it looks differently
(Unless u wrote The comment when The feature was fresh
@@stanisawkrzyzaniaktheoviraptor yeah, it says 1 month ago. PL
@@astrax2426 yes but I don't remember when was it introduced
It wasn't very Long ago but it could be more than a month
in the mental hospital we weren’t allowed to talk abt hanging (for obvious reasons) and we called it butterfly man 💀
Bro?
You good fam?
lmaoo
plS
lmfao
Idea: the two-way version of hangman you mentioned at the end, where each player picks a word and they take turns guessing, but whenever either person guesses a letter they have to fill it in on their word AND their opponent’s word. That would make word choice and letter choice far more difficult so as to figure out the other person’s word but not give away your own.
Omg yes!! Amazing idea
battleship?
nice idea, that'd be a very interesting game
Damn, I wonder if someone will capitalize on your idea.
@@isky6541 I believe I can make a PC/Android game about that, been working with Unity for a while. If she agrees we can make it free. The only weird part is that the game must ask the players the word first so they could cheat. An online version would be better.
Talk about weird childhood games. In Finland we had "Whose afraid of the black man?"
Idea is that there is two lines with 10-15 meters space between. Players go to one line, and the "black man" tries to touch you after saying that rhyme. Players need to hurry to the other line. If you are caught, you join as a black man. Game ends when everyone is the black man.
TBH, I never thought of the "black man" as being literal black man, I always thought it was like some shadowmonster or something. Until I grew and figured it out.
I think children don't quite understand the racism or morbidness of games, they just like to play.
We used to calls this
"What time is it Mr Wolf"
Nykyään kouluissa ei enään mun mielestä pelata "kuka pelkään mustaa miestä" ymmärrettävästi, mutta "kuka pelkää jää miestä" on korvannut sen. Joka on omasta mielestä paljon parempi nykyiseen koulumaailmaan
@@biojate7680 Onhan se tottakai parempi. Tarkoitin vain etten kyllä pienenä miettinyt että se on "musta mies".
@@aski551 Juu en mäkään lapsena tajunnut xd
@@biojate7680Omassa koulussani pelattiin "kuka pelkää mustekalaa"
I love how he was so specific “ revealing the word is Fhqwgads then the they complain it’s not a real word, the argument then escalates in the family restaurant” was💀
An apostrophe is definitely a letter
@@vincenzofranchelli2201 wait, where did I add an apostrophe?
@@Theo-s_rifle. i meant that it feels like that was a major point of contention in said family restuarant argument
Bizarre to add a homestarrunner reference in a random video about hangman 😂
@@WilliamKoepke I haven't seen that in AGES! Thanks for a reminder.
To me hangman (as the executioner) can say:
“Hey you’re my friend and I love you, so I’m helping keep you entertained while we wait for what ever we are waiting for and seeing you have fun is keeping me entertained too.”
Damn this guy sounds like he would use logic to defend the idea of using a tazer in tag because of there being no standardized rules which prohibit it.
@Redbeard -TLoPO Life Until someone gets a concussion...
@Deborah Ajao still funny af
@Deborah Ajao What kind of buzz-kill policemen patrol your locality?
@Deborah Ajao Twas merely a jest.
I'm pretty sure there are.
I used to love hangman so much as a kid. Never really thought about how bizarre the theme was. As I’ve grown up now, it’s quite odd to me and got me really curious how everyone is still open to play this game, but tbh I still sometimes miss those days playing hangman without any other stress lol.
Your perfect strategy isn't actually optimal at winning hangman. It is optimal at maximizing the probability that you guess the next move right, but that isn't synonymous with maximizing the probability that you win the game. Allow me to provide an illustrative example.
We'll use the dictionary of legal words {Az, Ay, Ax, Bc, dB}, with all canonical english letters being fair game, and also assume they are equally likely to be chosen. Notice that A and B are the only letters that appear in multiple words.
Say the current board state is _ _, with the guesser having exhausted all but one last guess. By your strategy, the player guesses A, the most likely choice of a present letter. We then see that the probability of there indeed being an A is 3/5, and in that case there is a 1/3 chance of winning. There is a 2/5 chance that no A is revealed, in which case there is a 0% chance of winning. That means the total probability of winning after having chosen A is 1/5.
If alternatively we choose B against the recommendation of the "perfect strategy", we then have a 3/5 chance of losing outright, if there is no B. However, if a B is revealed, the information presented by the location it takes inside the word guarantees a 100% chance of winning, meaning the win probability having chosen B is 2/5.
You want to maintain a high probability of guessing correctly, but it is also crucial to optimize also for the information gained by making a move. A balance has to be found between the two.
hangman with depth-first search
you need to identify all the places in your wordlist where the letter may show up, then have a new list of probabilities for each combinations of where that letter is
in other words, you don't need to split on yes/no "is 'z' in the word" you need to split on each combination of z's
so for instance, "_ _ Z Z" (the one that includes "jazz" and "fuzz") is a different distribution from "_ _ _ Z" (the one that includes "putz")
I bet we could figure out a better way to organize the wordlist so you don't need to do regex math for every single entry in it if you put the words into some kind of structure. In computer science there's a time/space tradeoff, so if you include "jazz" with both the J's and the Z's you'd spend less time looking for jazz but you'd use more hard drive space
I want to try to find a truly optimal hangman strategy now lol
I was going to comment something like this, but with a different argument. Jan Misali's "perfect strategy" is, in game theory terms, a pure strategy. It might perform well against an executioner who is picking randomly from a dictionary, but if the executioner is an intelligent opponent who knows the guesser's strategy, they could employ a counter strategy by picking whatever word would rack up the most wrong guesses. The Nash equilibrium strategy, where neither player could gain an advantage by changing just their own strategy, would have to be a mixed strategy, where each pure strategy is assigned some probability of being chosen.
Someone elsewhere in the comment section mentioned Shannon entropy as a way of estimating how much information each guess would give you.
I think there's a term for this..."greedy algorithm" or something
Thank you for writing this comment!
A similar argument helps explain why "jazz" might indeed be harder to guess than "jizz". 'A' is an easier letter to guess than 'I' but guessing it gives less information.
We had a game, as children, "Pencil Wars." We drew characters, weapons, attacks, and frought by turns. Damage depended on if it looked good. Basically to win you need to convince your opponent that you won. So, to win you need to sometimes loose, cuz if you always winning, your opponent wont play.
Insert Jordan Peterson talking about how when rats wrestle, the big rat has to let the little rat win 30% of the time or the little rat won't want to play.
Pathetic,
My school builds paper guns and starts a friking war againts the other class
I would pay to buy a game like that. In fact, im a game dev, maybe ill make it one day
My friend and I played something similar, but there was no winner/loser, just running out of space on the paper. XD
Lol sound like you had fun xD
We usually played 2 games in class.
One was... you turn around to the table behind you and give them a sheet with a table (city, capital, country, plant, I cant remeber the rest lol) and then you randomly choose a letter. The first to write the name of everything in the table that starts on the letter you have chosen is the winner.
Second game was just battle ships drawn on paper :P
Ofc there us also tictactoe but after filling the entire back page with that it gets boring xD
I just realized something
Wheel of fortune and the hanged man are both tarot cards
I, too, have watched stardust crusaders.
You thought you'd find an interesting conversation here, but no, it's just the dio reference.
@@TheEvilCheesecake lmao
HOLY SHIT! IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO'S REFERENCE?!
The Binding of Isaac?
Fun fact:
It is completely possible to play connect four on paper if you use x and o rather than red and yellow disks.
i mean yeah
connect 4 is basically bigger tic-tac-toe with gravity
Same with battleship, you just need a grid
fun fact: you can watch youtube without a computer, just tell them to send you every frame on paper and flip them like a flipbook
@@MaxLai_0104but what about the audio
@@SuperHGB tell them to send you a soundboard
This channel is magic : what channel has a focus on conlangs , becomes famous for being the biggest advocate for base six numerals , does shitpost half of the time and then pulls out a 20 minutes video on hangman ?
I forgot the most beloved video on this channel is about the letter W ...
What about wynn
"jan Misali is a weird channel"
I would say CGP Grey is a lot like this, but both channels are pretty wonderful.
This is the first video from this channel I've ever seen, and I notice that 6 of the top 7 recommended videos on the right are all from this channel. I don't think I've ever seen that, and from it I gather that the UA-cam algorithm has no idea what else is similar to this video, except that if I like it I probably will enjoy them all.
@@kindoflame yeah , nowvthat you make me think about it they share some carachteristics : minimalist style , talking very rationally about really abstract things and publishing videos about many subjects .
The part that didn't make me connect the two is probably both the sub gap , i mean CGP is almost a youtube god alongside Vsauce and kurgasast while this is a baby channel , and the humor , yan misaly has a lot more self deprecating humor while CGP makes a lot more "blink and you'll miss it" animations jokes ...
the more "details" me, my friends, and my family added on hangman were:
•wood
•gasoline
•a few flames
•a bunch of flames
I had a great childhood
edit: I just remembered, the person that we were drawing being hanged was the guesser, and if the guesser lost, we were laughing in their face saying that they're dead
Kinda sadistic family, but at least they taught you to eat your cereal.
We did this in class once and I was the guesser
I won, the girl who tried to hang had to guess the word 'bioremediation'
It wasn't my funeral we celebrated that day
Oh, the good old days
Haha...Ha
*Starts Tipping the FBI*
We were adding eyes, nose and mouth😂
"Pencil and paper games take only a few seconds to learn"
This video: *20 minute explanation of hangman*
Only takes a few seconds to learn, but 20 minutes to explain the small nuances in depth.
Its more of an analysis
It’s easy to make hangman an asymmetric competitive game. Just standardize the number of turns, settle on dictionary of words to use, and have the executioner write down the word and hide it ahead of time. That’s the scenario I want to look it, mathematically it most have some sort of equilibrium strategy. It’s interesting to think about because the optimal strategy for the executioner is NOT to choose the hardest word because then the guesser would know to just guess that word, some sort of randomization would be involved but it’s not clear how.