7:05, interesting take, as a longtime Spurs fan I remember seeing an interview with Gregg Pop speaking in regards to Tony’s final season, with the hornets. Tony told pop, that he was going to play for Charlotte because they were offering 10 million with an option to retire or play a consecutive season, wheareas in SA he would only be getting 6 Mil, Pop encouraged him to take the Hornets deal so that he would have a higher payday. When Tony brought up loyalty Pop told him that he’d been taking pay cuts and displayed loyalty throughout his career so he shouldn’t worry about loyalty to the organization. It was a very nice send off as a spurs fan because it allowed us to have more minutes to develop younger guards like Forbes, Murray, White, and Patty Mills.
In other words no loyalty at all by the spurs towards Tony in allowing him to finish his career with the spurs. They didn't want to pay. Nice story and how the spurs love to hate on so called disloyal players but then love it when the spurs dump players like Green and others and don't get called on it.
JLO Lopez what’s with the fuck spurs FO hype train damn. If the spurs were still rebuilding at that point, they may as well offer him a bigger contract. But they still were a playoff team. I think Tony Parker wanted to stay with the spurs and take a pay cut but Pop suggested for him to sign with the hornets for more money
JLO Lopez I don’t agree with that at all. Tony Parker was never on anyone’s radar coming into the league and defended poorly, some often argued that he was a systematic player. San Antonio wanted to pay him 6 million to ride the bench whereas Charlotte wanted to pay him for 10 million for a former finals mvp, championship experience , being a veteran guard to backup their all-star guard. Rotational minutes are important to develop younger players. Imagine if the Warriors never got rid of Monte Ellis in 2012, would Stephen Curry even have the minutes to develop into the Stephen Curry we know today? Everyone got what they wanted, from the Spurs fans, to Spurs Players, and even Tony Parker. So why are you hating, or choosing to see in in a negative light?
Fortnite Connaisseur of course not, I remember we got him right before the 2014 championship run from Portland, I live in the Bay Area and watched him play at St Mary’s. He is younger than Parker though, and at the time of Parker’s retirement he was still seen as a young player in the eyes of the Spurs.
If Kawhi stayed the Spurs would have still been a championship contender and possibly won a chip in 2019, but as a Raptors fan i am happy how it turned out lol 😂
@@Doknot-tb9ey despite not winning anything prior they went from a shitty team to a playoff contender prior to now Champs. That's enough to be happy about.
I'd love to see u do like a top 25 or top 50 players list since 2000 because I'm sure pretty much all of us gotta' pretty accurate depiction on how good those players were
Pops knew what he had in Kawhi. Letting Kawhi go is his biggest regret. I listened to Jason Tatum on All the smoke. Pops told in on the 38 minute into the video that he could be a Kawhi Leonard. Some players think they are two-way players but they are truly not. Kawhi you should look up to.
Pop did not respect Kawhi and treated him like a kid. He talked and listened to the big three but never to Kawhi. That transition never happened. When LeMarcus told him he wanted to be traded he listened to him and gave him the team and left Kawhi out in the cold. The injury happened and they didn't respect Kawhi's concerns about the injury. They placed demands on him that he listen to the spurs doctors and shut up and do what was told of him.
@@jlolopez9623 I'm a Spur btw. I think we've been punished. Pops intentionally traded him out of the country only for him to come back with a championship
Kawhi's a beast and assuming he stayed we would've still needed to get him some more support. I don't know who would've realistically joined us to team up with Kawhi. I'm not sure if PG would've wanted to come here. But looking at things unrealistically and with a fantasy lens, I think a Kawhi/Demar (obviously he was acquired through the KL trade, I'm just hypothesizing)/Aldridge trio would've been interesting.
Imo, those veteran Spurs players coming out and speaking negative about the situation was the icing on the cake for me. As soon as they opened their mouths I knew it was a matter of time before he was gone.
Thing is, the only one who said anything negative was Tony Parker, and he reportedly didn’t mean anything by it and apologized when he realized how it sounded
Regardless, I think he still would've left SA ... that roster where they made it to the WCF in '17 was full of old vets, Manu, TP, and P. Gasol ... I don't blame Jonathan Simmons chasing a contract offer since the FO didn't re-signed him, Paul George would've been an interesting addition to the roster but not sure what assets they had at the time to pull the trade and his injury woes were still a bit concerning ... chemistry issues would've been another factor.. I recall LMA requesting a trade that offseason where him n Kawhi didn't see eye to eye
"a 47-win team without Kawhi, if they had Kawhi they would be great, sixty-something wins" As a Raptors fan, just so sad thinking about how great we could have been if he stayed... a 60-win team without Kawhi, if they had him how great could that team have been
What I don't get is how NBA fans will swear the Rockets and Spurs beat the Warriors, but then go back and say their rings are worthless and that they were unfair
Yea the difference with Kawhaii off The team was staggering. The team didn’t look like they could matchup well with the warriors, but Kawhaii being on the floor made such a huge impact. They was up 25 before Kawhaii got injured. Kawhaii is just a talent that can be replaced.
Koh Smoger better than getting swept. They were arguably one of the greatest teams to ever be assembled and taking them 6 games would’ve been monumental
Although Toronto would not have won a title last season, they'd be even better this season than they have been by adding DeRozan to this already great 2019-2020 team.
You still don't believe in Kawhi. That's a shame. I think Kawhi brings the best out of the players around him. That's what you underrate. Players play like they are Rodman while with him. Only if you watched Powell, Siakam, Lowry and co interviews. I believe all those players who step up. You forget Klay and Patty cancelled each other in game 1 cos they both had 6 and 5 points while Kawhi was on the floor. You forget that Jonathan Simmons was mental and after Kawhi left he became a G league player. You forgot Kawhi took out Durant and out played him. You forgot Bertans was shooting threes and cancelling out Steph's threes. I shot a 3 you shoot a 3. Kawhi Leonard is a two-way player. He was doing it on both ends in that game. You still underestimate him. Shame. If you saw the Raptors vs Golden State in that game KD scored 50 but in the third quarter Kawhi was on the bench for most of it. KD got going. He got is rhythm flowing. Yes he hit a big shot over Kawhi but if The Klaw was on the floor most of that game would a big shot be needed? You also forget in the past finals. We all know Golden State are third quarter Kings. They murder teams in this quarter. Only in game 2 did they win that quarter in the finals. Guess who came out in the third quarter to start hitting shots after shots in the quarter to avoid Golden State making that run? You are thinking offensive minded but not defensively that's why you kept saying I don't think Spurs would have won. When Kawhi was below his brilliance in game 4 of the bucks series what happened? The team stepped up. When he was tired in game 6 of the finals. What happened? The team stepped up. Sure the golden State warriors aren't jokes. If the Spurs were in Houston's spot. One Kawhi wouldn't have the ball as much as Harden which makes it harder to defend. Two, we all know Patty, Bertens, bertnelli, Forbes are very good spot up shooters and Danny Green is too but he's also got defense. So they cancel out Steph and Klay's elite shooting. This is exactly what was happening in game 1. Kawhi was on Durant and Green was on LA. Your analysis isn't the best man. Very time Kawhi faces either KD, LeBron, Harden and co. They struggle when he's guarding them but as soon as he goes to the bench the begin to get their rhythm. Watch the games closely. Tune out everything else. You also forgot that Kawhi asked pops for PG.
Idk about 60 wins being a guarantee. Kawhi sat 22 games with the Raps. They didn't get 60 wins, and that is an easier conference. Unless he just goes all out regular season, highest I could see them is high 50s.
No Kawhi to Raptors means he doesn't tell the Clippers to get PG. Does the Harden/CP3 problem still land CP3 in OKC and Russ in Houston? Thunder would have PG13 and CP3 if that was the case. No Shae, but how good would that team be?
He was only doing what the spurs told him to do. Not accurate to say it was only Tony. The spurs also didn't want to pay Kawhi the max because of his injury. It was never offered.
TheMissingLink I can respect that. My main problem with pop is 97% of it is the same thing. As long as it’s different I may be able to appreciate it even. But even so, I’m not sure if I’ll ever enjoy it.
Its easy to see all he really wanted was to be in LA. It didnt matter who coached him, who was on his team, that he could have been the most popular guy in Canada, had a great young coach.. Dude never commited anywhere before the trade besides Lakers and after he was traded he bolted to LA ASAP.
Also showed that he didn’t care which of the LA teams it was. He just really wanted to be in that city and the Clippers were able to put that situation together for him
7:05, interesting take, as a longtime Spurs fan I remember seeing an interview with Gregg Pop speaking in regards to Tony’s final season, with the hornets. Tony told pop, that he was going to play for Charlotte because they were offering 10 million with an option to retire or play a consecutive season, wheareas in SA he would only be getting 6 Mil, Pop encouraged him to take the Hornets deal so that he would have a higher payday. When Tony brought up loyalty Pop told him that he’d been taking pay cuts and displayed loyalty throughout his career so he shouldn’t worry about loyalty to the organization. It was a very nice send off as a spurs fan because it allowed us to have more minutes to develop younger guards like Forbes, Murray, White, and Patty Mills.
In other words no loyalty at all by the spurs towards Tony in allowing him to finish his career with the spurs. They didn't want to pay. Nice story and how the spurs love to hate on so called disloyal players but then love it when the spurs dump players like Green and others and don't get called on it.
JLO Lopez what’s with the fuck spurs FO hype train damn. If the spurs were still rebuilding at that point, they may as well offer him a bigger contract. But they still were a playoff team. I think Tony Parker wanted to stay with the spurs and take a pay cut but Pop suggested for him to sign with the hornets for more money
JLO Lopez I don’t agree with that at all. Tony Parker was never on anyone’s radar coming into the league and defended poorly, some often argued that he was a systematic player. San Antonio wanted to pay him 6 million to ride the bench whereas Charlotte wanted to pay him for 10 million for a former finals mvp, championship experience , being a veteran guard to backup their all-star guard. Rotational minutes are important to develop younger players. Imagine if the Warriors never got rid of Monte Ellis in 2012, would Stephen Curry even have the minutes to develop into the Stephen Curry we know today? Everyone got what they wanted, from the Spurs fans, to Spurs Players, and even Tony Parker. So why are you hating, or choosing to see in in a negative light?
Fred Brown patty mills isn’t a younger guy lol
Fortnite Connaisseur of course not, I remember we got him right before the 2014 championship run from Portland, I live in the Bay Area and watched him play at St Mary’s. He is younger than Parker though, and at the time of Parker’s retirement he was still seen as a young player in the eyes of the Spurs.
Keep doing reviews before the video it’s great
Anthony Funktano
😂😂
@@andybae6406 Funktony Diatano
A funky turning into the most consistent and beloved NBA UA-camr out there.
and he's a music critic too!
If he stayed I wouldn’t be crying all the time
But raptors fans would be
Koh Smoger can confirm I would
@@kohsmoger1567 Yes but they would keep being Lebronto, so they would for that
@@dusk6159 once Lebronto always Lebronto.
Why did you upload this :'(
LaMarcus Aldridge do u prefer derozan or Leonard
Joseph Lewis 2015 spurs at full potential was the champion
Lol that intro 😂
Album was really awesome worth checking out.
Making me cry on a Monday for a reason different than school
If Kawhi stayed the Spurs would have still been a championship contender and possibly won a chip in 2019, but as a Raptors fan i am happy how it turned out lol 😂
LOL Well, you should be happy since your team never won anything until Kawhi.
@@Doknot-tb9ey despite not winning anything prior they went from a shitty team to a playoff contender prior to now Champs. That's enough to be happy about.
David Francisco Also Kawhi injected a winning culture
You’re welcome
The spurs rn if Kawhi stayed
PG: Murray, Mills
SG: Green, Forbes
SF: Leonard, Bellieni
PF: Bertrans, Gay
C: Aldridge, Lyles, Metu
White?
Cameron Caves where's white and what about Marcus Morris
Mant Grta we wish we had Marcus Morris. That mf would run to New York regardless of our roster, he catted off for extra millions.
@@Hellythep yeah and Marcus Morris is Kawhi's teammate now as well
White?
I'd love to see u do like a top 25 or top 50 players list since 2000 because I'm sure pretty much all of us gotta' pretty accurate depiction on how good those players were
best album reviews on UA-cam. the basketball stuff you throw in at the end is pretty cool too i guess
That intro took EIGHT seconds smh
😂
people forget when the warriors went 73-9, kawhi and the spurs went 40-1 at home
Every single spurs fan thinks about this atleast once a week
I'm a Spurs fan, I've done some writing for a Spurs website, this is depressing :(
We legit went from contenders to rebuild real quick😳
What if the Spurs Big Two was Kawhi and Bertans? 😱😱😱
I...agree. The Charli XCX album is really good
Pops knew what he had in Kawhi. Letting Kawhi go is his biggest regret. I listened to Jason Tatum on All the smoke. Pops told in on the 38 minute into the video that he could be a Kawhi Leonard. Some players think they are two-way players but they are truly not. Kawhi you should look up to.
Mark Law tatum can be Leonard
@@mantgrta9728 yep
Pop did not respect Kawhi and treated him like a kid. He talked and listened to the big three but never to Kawhi. That transition never happened. When LeMarcus told him he wanted to be traded he listened to him and gave him the team and left Kawhi out in the cold. The injury happened and they didn't respect Kawhi's concerns about the injury. They placed demands on him that he listen to the spurs doctors and shut up and do what was told of him.
@@jlolopez9623 I'm a Spur btw. I think we've been punished. Pops intentionally traded him out of the country only for him to come back with a championship
Kawhi's a beast and assuming he stayed we would've still needed to get him some more support. I don't know who would've realistically joined us to team up with Kawhi. I'm not sure if PG would've wanted to come here. But looking at things unrealistically and with a fantasy lens, I think a Kawhi/Demar (obviously he was acquired through the KL trade, I'm just hypothesizing)/Aldridge trio would've been interesting.
Imo, those veteran Spurs players coming out and speaking negative about the situation was the icing on the cake for me. As soon as they opened their mouths I knew it was a matter of time before he was gone.
Thing is, the only one who said anything negative was Tony Parker, and he reportedly didn’t mean anything by it and apologized when he realized how it sounded
Kawhi acted like a little kid in this, dude is a grown man so talk it out instead of just leaving.
Ant I thought kids would whine he just didn't say anything
Mant Grta, adults address a situation; kids run away.
Alberto Santillan stop crying that he left
Regardless, I think he still would've left SA ... that roster where they made it to the WCF in '17 was full of old vets, Manu, TP, and P. Gasol ... I don't blame Jonathan Simmons chasing a contract offer since the FO didn't re-signed him, Paul George would've been an interesting addition to the roster but not sure what assets they had at the time to pull the trade and his injury woes were still a bit concerning ... chemistry issues would've been another factor.. I recall LMA requesting a trade that offseason where him n Kawhi didn't see eye to eye
"a 47-win team without Kawhi, if they had Kawhi they would be great, sixty-something wins"
As a Raptors fan, just so sad thinking about how great we could have been if he stayed... a 60-win team without Kawhi, if they had him how great could that team have been
I think it would be roughly the same win total because of load management, I do think they would be the fav to win the Chip again for sure.
I think it depends on the rest he would get and health. Cause watching his old highlights I generally forgot how he was more athletic
Stop hurting me
Bro I love how his intro is to the point but it always makes me laugh😂
The world feels odd with no Kawhi on the Spurs
Oof the Jazz aren't even getting mentioned among the relevant teams in the west anymore. Rough time to be a Jazz fan
Facts, no one could defend Shaq
TRUE it was
What I don't get is how NBA fans will swear the Rockets and Spurs beat the Warriors, but then go back and say their rings are worthless and that they were unfair
I don’t think they say the rings were worthless. They say Durants rings are worthless. Steph can’t totally control who joins his team
If that’s the case every team that is rediculously stacked has worthless rings
I miss him so much bro 😭😭😭
people forget how damn good the spurs were before the zaza bs
Yea the difference with Kawhaii off The team was staggering. The team didn’t look like they could matchup well with the warriors, but Kawhaii being on the floor made such a huge impact. They was up 25 before Kawhaii got injured. Kawhaii is just a talent that can be replaced.
johnson noel The spurs would of still lost the series. 1 game don’t make a series
Koh Smoger better than getting swept. They were arguably one of the greatest teams to ever be assembled and taking them 6 games would’ve been monumental
@@kohsmoger1567 the spurs were depleted too
sweptttt
That album cover was good for sure 💯
Although Toronto would not have won a title last season, they'd be even better this season than they have been by adding DeRozan to this already great 2019-2020 team.
Simple answer....they would be relevant
Would corona still happen?
You still don't believe in Kawhi. That's a shame. I think Kawhi brings the best out of the players around him. That's what you underrate. Players play like they are Rodman while with him. Only if you watched Powell, Siakam, Lowry and co interviews.
I believe all those players who step up. You forget Klay and Patty cancelled each other in game 1 cos they both had 6 and 5 points while Kawhi was on the floor. You forget that Jonathan Simmons was mental and after Kawhi left he became a G league player. You forgot Kawhi took out Durant and out played him. You forgot Bertans was shooting threes and cancelling out Steph's threes. I shot a 3 you shoot a 3. Kawhi Leonard is a two-way player. He was doing it on both ends in that game. You still underestimate him. Shame.
If you saw the Raptors vs Golden State in that game KD scored 50 but in the third quarter Kawhi was on the bench for most of it. KD got going. He got is rhythm flowing. Yes he hit a big shot over Kawhi but if The Klaw was on the floor most of that game would a big shot be needed?
You also forget in the past finals. We all know Golden State are third quarter Kings. They murder teams in this quarter. Only in game 2 did they win that quarter in the finals. Guess who came out in the third quarter to start hitting shots after shots in the quarter to avoid Golden State making that run?
You are thinking offensive minded but not defensively that's why you kept saying I don't think Spurs would have won. When Kawhi was below his brilliance in game 4 of the bucks series what happened? The team stepped up. When he was tired in game 6 of the finals. What happened? The team stepped up.
Sure the golden State warriors aren't jokes. If the Spurs were in Houston's spot. One Kawhi wouldn't have the ball as much as Harden which makes it harder to defend. Two, we all know Patty, Bertens, bertnelli, Forbes are very good spot up shooters and Danny Green is too but he's also got defense. So they cancel out Steph and Klay's elite shooting. This is exactly what was happening in game 1. Kawhi was on Durant and Green was on LA.
Your analysis isn't the best man. Very time Kawhi faces either KD, LeBron, Harden and co. They struggle when he's guarding them but as soon as he goes to the bench the begin to get their rhythm.
Watch the games closely. Tune out everything else.
You also forgot that Kawhi asked pops for PG.
STILL TOO SOON FUNKY
that warriors and rockets series did go 7
This is like Mike Korzemba's old What If Videos.
Can you go into depth on why the 60 win hawks couldn’t go to the finals
They were a regular season team and stood no chance running into Lebron simple as that
Astro OG the games were actually close . The hawks just choke or lbj man a heroic play
I really wish Cp3 had went to San Antonio and joined kawhi and Aldridge. Smh
Idk about 60 wins being a guarantee. Kawhi sat 22 games with the Raps. They didn't get 60 wins, and that is an easier conference. Unless he just goes all out regular season, highest I could see them is high 50s.
Spurs video ❤️
Imagine Zaza is the main reason why this happened lol
I don’t think the LeBron kawhi thing would be as big
Do the same what if scenario for the Raptors! Derozan, Lowry, Siakam, and Nick Nurse with Lebron out in the west could have been very interesting
They lose to Philadelphia
Yeah mtl
BADASS FISH who knows maybe the Raptors still trade Derozan, maybe the acquire Butler with their young assets and picks instead of Philly, 🤷♂️
they’re still not going anywhere with DeRozan as one of their main options
Arshdeep Singh maybe they beat philly with butler but then they would just lose to the bucks
No Kawhi to Raptors means he doesn't tell the Clippers to get PG. Does the Harden/CP3 problem still land CP3 in OKC and Russ in Houston? Thunder would have PG13 and CP3 if that was the case. No Shae, but how good would that team be?
Shit that would be nasty. PG and CP3 are both dogs. I think Harden and CP3 didn't work out because Harden isn't a dog like that.
Spurs would have won a title.
They definitely win the WCF but I think if the raptors aquire jimmy butler instead it would be a hell of a finals series
In 2019 maybe but not before that
Poor Ricky Rubio
c2.0 is good, eh funky. overall the album is decent, pretty hawt ;)
Mr.KwamiD - 86 charli?
Bro im a lifelong spurs fan. Stop. Please don’t. It hurts
I wish
Had to be the thousandth like on this video
Tony Parker is the thumbs down
He was only doing what the spurs told him to do. Not accurate to say it was only Tony. The spurs also didn't want to pay Kawhi the max because of his injury. It was never offered.
Idk I think spurs could have beat the warriors in 2018 not the 2019 warriors tho
Charli is good! 👍👍
What if Leonard is traded to Washington for Bradley Beal and Kelly oubre Jr
I thought Rudy Gay was gonna be so much better for the spurs than he has been
Blame Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. 😑😑😑
The spurs could have just got kyrie when he wanted to leave Cleveland.
If Kyrie didn't want to stay in a perfect team in Boston, why would he stay in San Antonio?
Him n Pop would b butting heads
I’m glad he’s gone, he don’t want to be there and complain about the organization so be it
Now y'all ain't even in the playoffs though
@@NealBones neither were the Raptors for a year and the spurs have 5 chips who cares we’re rebuilding well.
“Regula”
If kawhi is still on the spurs then where is PG and Russ
Zaza fault
Charlie who?
Charli XCX. Just dropped her new album. Recommend.
TheMissingLink I don’t listen to pop lol
Hello There Pop is in general my least favorite realm of music but her production is too good to not appreciate it.
TheMissingLink I can respect that. My main problem with pop is 97% of it is the same thing. As long as it’s different I may be able to appreciate it even. But even so, I’m not sure if I’ll ever enjoy it.
@@TheMissinLink She look bad as Hell on that album cover too
Nobody with at least 5 IQ: Spurs would have won the championship without the injury
Gonza Tek no u have 5 iq
Charli XCX ?
Y’all peep Dejounte? 😂💀 11:13
NBA ERA ????
Mant Grta He slapped the floor
I got an album for ya - Loose Canon vol 3 by Canon. 🔥
should’ve traded for Ingram instead of Derozan
Is Rubio that trash?
do people even still listen to charli xcx
She has a pretty faithful, if heavily simping, fanbase
Aidan she’s as big as she’s ever been after releasing her ST.
The Raptors still win 55+ and maybe even make the Finals although Philadelphia and Milwaukee have better chances.
Raptors were never making the finals without kawhi come on bro
Funkthony funktano
Its easy to see all he really wanted was to be in LA. It didnt matter who coached him, who was on his team, that he could have been the most popular guy in Canada, had a great young coach.. Dude never commited anywhere before the trade besides Lakers and after he was traded he bolted to LA ASAP.
Also showed that he didn’t care which of the LA teams it was. He just really wanted to be in that city and the Clippers were able to put that situation together for him
Tom Baxendale Kawhi actively avoided the lakers because of Lebron
Except the Rockets were and still are a horrible defensive team