I used to work at Patagonia, The Nano Air is the favorite amongst the employees. Walking around the office in the winter you’ll see them everywhere lol.
How does it compare to the better Sweater in sizing? I have large for better sweater but unsure with Nano air as I have a little beer belly 😅 Would you recommend going one size larger because it’s slim fit?
@@Atran11 it depends on how that Better sweater fits. If it’s snug at all I would recommend sizing up for the nano air. Also depends on how you want to wear the nano air though, if you want a true mid layer, you might appreciate the more trim fit, if you are looking at wearing it as a stand alone piece, I would go with the larger size.
Bro I think your reviews are better than channels w/ 100x more subscribers. I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel. Also, I was getting FOMO w/ the patagonia sales at REI, but I think I'll wait and buy an arcteryx midlayer instead!
Thanks so much for the kind words, means a lot, and glad it has been a benefit for you. Yes this Arcteryx is a great jacket. Got a many more jacket reviews coming too.
Both of these are the newer versions of their jackets. I owned both for 4-6 years. The nano-air started it all and it was pretty awesome for the first year or so. I don't even rub it up against rocks that much, it was mostly for running, skiing and hiking. The insulation really packed down and the fabric frayed under the armpit, beltline, and shoulder. Pretty much at the spots where anything is rubbing up against it. It's definitely a shadow of its former self. I don't wear it anymore because it's not a warm as it used to be. It used to be very breathable on its own and acts like a puffer under a shell. The Proton LT has held up much better. Some insulation packed down near the shoulder, and some fabric threads were pulled by jagged ski edges, but overall, it functions pretty similar to day one. Unless you're running or cross country skiing, the proton is your jacket. Yes, that hood is pretty amazing. It baggy when you want it to be and it cinches down to a scuba hood when you need it to. I did some reading to see the difference between the old and new Proton LT. The old one uses a 40D fabric, the new one use 20D, I am not sure if the fabric has been improved. They change the type of insulation they used, but overall, not much has changed. The nano-air has changed a lot. I thought the old fabric was nylon, but the new fabric is polyester for sure. The insulation has been swapped from their proprietary full-range to Thermolite. The fit has slim down quite a bit. It's almost like a new jacket. It looks like Patagonia made changes to address the issue I had with the jacket. My experience with Thermolite has not been great so it'll be interesting to see what people's experiences are. I've tried many active insulations over the years and I have to say that they are a big improvement over the hybrid construction of softshell and fleece of yesteryear.
I also got ole versions of them both. The new Proton LT has the same outer fabric as Proton FL, which has been good so far. The old fabric seems overkill and affects the breathability too. Overall I would opt for the new Proton LT if in need of an upgrade. The old Nano Air is still useful and the vreathability remains superior though. The lightest Proton FL is even more technical though, but not as warm as LT or Nano.
@@Neonomide Totally agree. I am not in need of an upgrade, but my size has shrunk since the gym shutdown. The had the Proton FL for almost a year now, it has since replaced my Atom SL. I'll probably upgrade while I go down a size. The Proton FL can practically be used year-round. With a fleece underneath it can pretty much replace the Proton LT. I honestly don't use my Nano-air anymore.
Sorry, I understand it's been a while since this comment was posted but, I'm curious about one of your statements: '(...) Unless you're running or cross country skiing, the proton is your jacket'. I'm looking for a insulation layer for xc skiing, and I was thinking about the Atom. Yet, I also heard about these two options, and I decided to check their details. Now, your comment caught my attention and I wonder if you have any recommendation/experience with insulation layers for xc skiing? Thanks
The most breathable jacket with a good amount of insulation is the nano-air, but between the atom LT and Proton LT, the Proton is more breathable. If it's warmer than -7c, I wear the atom SL or Proton FL.
Good review! Note about the heat transfer vs embroidered logo, it's because of the material of the jackets. The stretch pocket will hold a heat transfer for longer than an embroidery, which will also feel weird when your hand is in the pocket. In general, Synthetically insulated jackets like the Atom and Proton will use heat transfers because the insulating layer will move independently from the face fabric and warp/damage the jacket over time. A heat transfer stays on for almost as long, but won't damage the jacket. This is not an issue with down insulation, which is why a jacket like the Cerium Lt has an embroidery. Hope that helps explain it 😉
Thanks for this. Since fit is important, and you specifically commented on the excellent fit of the Arcteryx, could you please share your height and weight AND what size Arcterx you were wearing in video?
i think the major con for Arc'teryx is durability, it cost a ton, and their warranty stinks. Having had many arc'teryx pieces simply disintegrate in the wash, I'm loathed to ever buy arc'teryx again. I have 20+yr old TNF and Patagucci that have never fallen apart at a glue seamed like arc'teryx. Granted this may be a cheap fabric glue issue arc'teryx uses, since all the issues are with glued seams and pockets. the last thing I care about is style when I'm looking for an active midlayer. Form over function is not a good recipe for actual active use. not sure you actually compare the active part, which is the entire purpose of these active midlayers. I have yet to actually see anyone do an abrasion test against these fabrics to hold up all the marketing claims people just parrot. Rub some sandpaper on each of those jackets and see how many passes they can withstand. Do an actual performance test. The negative of the nano-air is the cuffs or lack there of. I prefer the stretch knit cuffs of the proton lt or an elasticized cuff over the patagucci nano-air open cuff.
Love this reviews. Keep doing it! IMO patagonia wins for me. I am looking for most breathable midleyer, i am sweating like a pig. Patagonia sounds like charm for me. I am going to use it for extra heat in -20C so it is go under outer jacket. Still, Your review is gold. Thank You for Your work
This is a fantastic video, thank you so much! Quick question: do you see the Proton used as a second midlayer in very cold situations (I’m thinking base layer + fleece + Proton + down)?
Neither jacket has a hood for cold weather protection. Neither hood covers the nose for two highly useful conditions. When the nose is covered by a properly designed hood the warm, humid air exiting the nose warms the face. A covered nose area provides for goggles to protect from penetrating wind, cold wind and wind driven rain and snow. So neither jacket provides full face protection for varying weather conditions.
I used to work at Patagonia, The Nano Air is the favorite amongst the employees. Walking around the office in the winter you’ll see them everywhere lol.
How does it compare to the better Sweater in sizing? I have large for better sweater but unsure with Nano air as I have a little beer belly 😅
Would you recommend going one size larger because it’s slim fit?
@@Atran11 it depends on how that Better sweater fits. If it’s snug at all I would recommend sizing up for the nano air. Also depends on how you want to wear the nano air though, if you want a true mid layer, you might appreciate the more trim fit, if you are looking at wearing it as a stand alone piece, I would go with the larger size.
Bro I think your reviews are better than channels w/ 100x more subscribers. I'm so glad I stumbled upon your channel.
Also, I was getting FOMO w/ the patagonia sales at REI, but I think I'll wait and buy an arcteryx midlayer instead!
Thanks so much for the kind words, means a lot, and glad it has been a benefit for you. Yes this Arcteryx is a great jacket. Got a many more jacket reviews coming too.
Both of these are the newer versions of their jackets. I owned both for 4-6 years. The nano-air started it all and it was pretty awesome for the first year or so. I don't even rub it up against rocks that much, it was mostly for running, skiing and hiking. The insulation really packed down and the fabric frayed under the armpit, beltline, and shoulder. Pretty much at the spots where anything is rubbing up against it. It's definitely a shadow of its former self. I don't wear it anymore because it's not a warm as it used to be. It used to be very breathable on its own and acts like a puffer under a shell.
The Proton LT has held up much better. Some insulation packed down near the shoulder, and some fabric threads were pulled by jagged ski edges, but overall, it functions pretty similar to day one. Unless you're running or cross country skiing, the proton is your jacket. Yes, that hood is pretty amazing. It baggy when you want it to be and it cinches down to a scuba hood when you need it to.
I did some reading to see the difference between the old and new Proton LT. The old one uses a 40D fabric, the new one use 20D, I am not sure if the fabric has been improved. They change the type of insulation they used, but overall, not much has changed. The nano-air has changed a lot. I thought the old fabric was nylon, but the new fabric is polyester for sure. The insulation has been swapped from their proprietary full-range to Thermolite. The fit has slim down quite a bit. It's almost like a new jacket. It looks like Patagonia made changes to address the issue I had with the jacket. My experience with Thermolite has not been great so it'll be interesting to see what people's experiences are.
I've tried many active insulations over the years and I have to say that they are a big improvement over the hybrid construction of softshell and fleece of yesteryear.
Excellent insights. Very much agree with you assessment. Thanks for sharing!
I also got ole versions of them both. The new Proton LT has the same outer fabric as Proton FL, which has been good so far. The old fabric seems overkill and affects the breathability too.
Overall I would opt for the new Proton LT if in need of an upgrade. The old Nano Air is still useful and the vreathability remains superior though. The lightest Proton FL is even more technical though, but not as warm as LT or Nano.
@@Neonomide Totally agree. I am not in need of an upgrade, but my size has shrunk since the gym shutdown. The had the Proton FL for almost a year now, it has since replaced my Atom SL. I'll probably upgrade while I go down a size.
The Proton FL can practically be used year-round. With a fleece underneath it can pretty much replace the Proton LT. I honestly don't use my Nano-air anymore.
Sorry, I understand it's been a while since this comment was posted but, I'm curious about one of your statements: '(...) Unless you're running or cross country skiing, the proton is your jacket'. I'm looking for a insulation layer for xc skiing, and I was thinking about the Atom. Yet, I also heard about these two options, and I decided to check their details. Now, your comment caught my attention and I wonder if you have any recommendation/experience with insulation layers for xc skiing? Thanks
The most breathable jacket with a good amount of insulation is the nano-air, but between the atom LT and Proton LT, the Proton is more breathable.
If it's warmer than -7c, I wear the atom SL or Proton FL.
Great review! Thank you.
I’m looking forward to seeing your comparison between the Arc’teryx Atom LT and the Arc’teryx Proton LT! I
Thanks! Just filmed it and hoping to drop it tomorrow morning stay tuned!
Good review. I now have the proton AR LT and FL. My favorite jackets!
Awesome !
Fantastic content 👌 👏 👍
Arcteryx logo is reflective, so it looks great in pictures 📸 with a flash.
Good review thanks, Im leaning towards the Arcteryx😊. Keep up the good work👍
Thanks. Can’t go wrong with it. The proton LT may be the most comfortable jacket I’ve ever worn
Good review!
Note about the heat transfer vs embroidered logo, it's because of the material of the jackets. The stretch pocket will hold a heat transfer for longer than an embroidery, which will also feel weird when your hand is in the pocket. In general, Synthetically insulated jackets like the Atom and Proton will use heat transfers because the insulating layer will move independently from the face fabric and warp/damage the jacket over time. A heat transfer stays on for almost as long, but won't damage the jacket. This is not an issue with down insulation, which is why a jacket like the Cerium Lt has an embroidery. Hope that helps explain it 😉
Thanks! Very helpful explanation
got the proton not a huge fan of arcteyrx but gotta say this mid layer is fantastic eager to try the nano air
Great review! Would love to see some hardshell reviews from you.
Thanks! That is the plan. Getting a list of some to review and see what I can get my hands on. Any recommendations you want to see?
@@BackcountryRenegade The Arc’teryx Beta Sv. Maybe futurelight shell. And what ever you think is best as a hiking shell.
Great review thank you.
Your welcome. Glad it was helpful
Thanks for this. Since fit is important, and you specifically commented on the excellent fit of the Arcteryx, could you please share your height and weight AND what size Arcterx you were wearing in video?
Yes I’m 5’7, 143 lbs and this is a size small. Hope that helps.
i think the major con for Arc'teryx is durability, it cost a ton, and their warranty stinks. Having had many arc'teryx pieces simply disintegrate in the wash, I'm loathed to ever buy arc'teryx again. I have 20+yr old TNF and Patagucci that have never fallen apart at a glue seamed like arc'teryx. Granted this may be a cheap fabric glue issue arc'teryx uses, since all the issues are with glued seams and pockets. the last thing I care about is style when I'm looking for an active midlayer. Form over function is not a good recipe for actual active use. not sure you actually compare the active part, which is the entire purpose of these active midlayers. I have yet to actually see anyone do an abrasion test against these fabrics to hold up all the marketing claims people just parrot. Rub some sandpaper on each of those jackets and see how many passes they can withstand. Do an actual performance test. The negative of the nano-air is the cuffs or lack there of. I prefer the stretch knit cuffs of the proton lt or an elasticized cuff over the patagucci nano-air open cuff.
Hi, thanks for the review, very helpful, could you please tell me which is the name of the colour of the Proton LT in the video?
it is the called Dynasty, i believe it was offered in 2021-22
Love this reviews. Keep doing it! IMO patagonia wins for me. I am looking for most breathable midleyer, i am sweating like a pig. Patagonia sounds like charm for me. I am going to use it for extra heat in -20C so it is go under outer jacket. Still, Your review is gold. Thank You for Your work
sounds good. and thanks for the encouragement.
Someone needs to review the Pack In jacket. It’s an everyday nano air but nobody talks about it
Never heard of it, who is it by?
@@BackcountryRenegade Patagonia
@@cannibalmanimal2336 thanks I’ll check it out
While your doing it, can you also talk about the Thermal Airshed Jacket, Masoud Abdun-Noor ?
@@markusf6964 I’ll look into that
What color proton are you wearing?
its called Dynasty
This is a fantastic video, thank you so much! Quick question: do you see the Proton used as a second midlayer in very cold situations (I’m thinking base layer + fleece + Proton + down)?
Yes it can be used as that in cold situations or in a bit warm you can use it in place of the fleece
I cant seem to find this jacket anywhere! Im from australia and its not on their website
I have a link to it in the description
@@BackcountryRenegade seems to be out of stock in my country
@@BackcountryRenegade found the jacket on epictv!!
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Cuffs look bad on blue one
They are thinner, prefer the cuffs with 4 way stretch on the proton
Are these to the same size in arm length the Arcteryx has long arms
Proton is slightly longer in the arms for the guested elbows for climbing
@@BackcountryRenegade is the proton same as the atom LT on arm length
@@Scouseking tad longer by a few centimeters
@@BackcountryRenegade woo i didn’t think the proton was going be longer than the atom LT tbh
Neither jacket has a hood for cold weather protection. Neither hood covers the nose for two highly useful conditions. When the nose is covered by a properly designed hood the warm, humid air exiting the nose warms the face. A covered nose area provides for goggles to protect from penetrating wind, cold wind and wind driven rain and snow. So neither jacket provides full face protection for varying weather conditions.
neither of these jackets are made for keeping your warm in poor conditions, they're too breathable and don't block much wind or rain
Arcteryx makes Patagonia look silly