I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.
Crazy thing is midrange power was high power in days of old. When I first clicked on the video I was expecting a conversation about the 2-10 line with the 1-10 sprinkled in there. Interesting topic and video nonetheless.
Yeah, it ain't high magnification anymore unless it goes much over 20x. Of course that seems (in my mind) useless for anything other than bench shooting
It's not that he's cheating on you, it's that he's not that in to you, and has decided to see other people. You're free to do the same. Trust me, he's doing you a favor. Move on. It was fun while it lasted.
Hunters in the eastern part of the country are looking for a scope that tops out at no more than 10 or 12 and has a low end below 3x. Ideal would be a 1-10x44HD in ffp with a workable reticle and an illuminated floating aiming point inside the crosshairs. The large objective for the bigger eyebox and to bring light in, lower power for snap, offhand shots...and make it light please.
I used to be all about the high mag scopes but have started to lean towards mid mag scopes for hunting now I think 2-12 or 3-15 are probably the best mag ranges you could put on a hunting rifle weather you hunt in the timber or out west.
I know it's at the lower end of mid-magnification, but I think a 2-12 is probably some of the best bang for your buck, as well as the best use for it's size and weight.
I was part of a scout platoon in Ramadi 05 and 06. An aimpoint on a 14.5 inch m4 was fine out to 200 meters. Longer engagements were handled with machineguns, artillery, and snipers. Edit: our snipers used fixed 10x power leupolds.
@@Huckleberry_Hunter maybe in Afghanistan. Ramadi engagements were rarely over a few dozen meters. We had a choice of the aimpoint or the acog, and only 1 guy chose the acog. An m4 with today's optics is still probably barely good enough for anything over 500 meters. Keep in mind that combat shooting is way different than target shooting.
Just got the strike eagle 3-18x44 amd honestly the glass and parallax is phenomenal...cannot tell the difference between it and my razors. I'm truly shocked as to the quality of glass on the new 3-18x44 34mm strike eagle!! Bravo vortex
Any chance the Razor LHT line will be updated soon with that reticle? IMHO, a Razor LHT 2-10 FFP with that reticle would be optics perfection. Leupold just updated their MK5HD line with a 2-10 and its amazing. A response from Vortex would be great to see. Love the podcast. I listen every Saturday while driving to the desert to shoot.
Really enjoyed this talk. As someone who hunts deer and coyotes in the east, I couldn’t be happier with my Viper HS 2.5-10. I have killed coyotes at 50 yards and and 250, and deer 25-125. Everything I could need for everything I do.
As a Canadian bow hunter that shoots moose every year and has converted to occasional rifle use. Mid range is the way to go. Problem is the attitude and sales tactics in the stores. I walked into a store a few months ago with my new rifle. I explained my hunting experience of usually taking game within 50m. Now with rifle a long shot would be out to 250m. First thing the salesman grabbed is the Razor 6x36. I said no I was thinking more 12 to 16 power max. His words "don't you want to shoot long range". There is no long range in the bush I hunt. Despite his persistence eventually I walked out with a diamond back 4x16 FFP. Great scope but even wonder if I need the ffp. On another note I just sent in a scope in for a warranty repair. The service and experience was awesome.
I understand that these gentlemen are coming from a military/tactical background. For hunting, a 3-9x scope was considered a great general purpose solution for decades. Today you can get 2.5-10x scopes ranging from budget offerings under $200 to a $1,600 Nightforce. There are a lot of high quality offerings in the $600-1,000 range. That’s a reasonable price point for many hunters. Today a 1-4x or 1-5x magnification factor seems very practical without too many trade offs in terms of optic quality or cost. When you go up to 1-8x or 1-10x mechanical and optical constraints come into play. Another thing to consider is that making a first focal plane reticle you actually can see and use across the full magnification range gets a lot more challenging with 1-10x magnification. What I’m trying to say is that I’d hoped for a discussion of 2.5-10x or 2-12x scopes for hunting applications and this video wasn’t that.
Got to look through this optic yesterday. Was absolutely blown away with the glass quality and field of view. I'll hopefully have this on a hunting rifle by the time the fall comes around.
I shot a 4-16x optic all year last year in prs. Honestly never came off about 14x the whole season. Enough to engage a 2moa plate at 1100 yards but enough field of view to move around all the other targets without getting lost in mag.
I emailed Vortex about the possibility of a compact 3-18-ish scope, something in the profile of the Eotech Vudu 5-25. I have to work around a 10" handguard, and if I throw a 12-14" scope on that I run out of rail space quick, and the 5-25 is just too much glass imo. Im all in on the medium optics, they arent a replacement for higher magnification glass if its needed, but I'm only using a 5.56, my concern is just being able to positively ID whatever I'm shooting at and doing accurate ranging.
The new strike eagle seems like a nearly perfect DMR scope or a versatile hunting scope. But for dedicated hunting, I would probably want something lighter, and for dedicated PRS I might want a little more magnification.
People talk about 1x per 100yds/m, but for my aging eyes wanting good PID I prefer closer to 3x per 100yds/m. That makes a 9x to 12x range great for realistic personal abilities for MY top end of range/distance shots. Even 8x (for me) is enough for as far as I'm able to shoot with any degree of accuracy.
I would love to see a 2.5-10x44 or 3-12x44 FFP using a VMR1 style recticle maybe with 1/4 MOA/MRAD graduations in the Diamondback Tactical range, it would be a great hunting scope for most people. I believe that field of view is very important in hunting over high magnification.
Mid range optics. A Jack of all trades, master of none. A pair of Jack (shooter and firearm) is great to draw to. This is a good discussion. It's gray areas in a world looking for black and white.
I put the 5-25 on my delta 5 pro 18in 6.5 creedmoor I always use it around 18 to 22 around 200 yards I just like how clear I can see the impact on steal targets center headshots so fun I Dnt dial in I just hold over I’m used to the acog so it’s fun for me
This is a awesome video!! I have the exact same rifel and I bought the exact same hand gard!!! I'm where you were before all the work you did to it!!!! Lol could you please make another video showing how you got the hand gard to fit and how everything came apart and went back together!!! Thanks man good stuff!!!
Did anyone else chuckle at the silly notion that Mark & Jim together somehow overpower Ryan on the other side of the table? Please don’t take that as me saying Jim and/or Mark are lightweights in these discussions. Far from it - both are highly experienced shooters and hunters, and I am very interested in their explanations and opinions. It’s just that Mr. Muckinhern is in a class all his own. His knowledge base relating to cartridges, ballistics, and rifles and their application to different hunting scenarios is simply encyclopedic.
6-36 so you mean adding a Hubble telescope to your rifle LOL, I will say as a long time 3x9 user the 4x14 is pretty amazing for small targets at range like coyotes. But I could also go for a really well made light simple 6x fixed power most of the time as long as I don't have to beat the bushes.
Savage sells Savage 110 Apex Hunter XP .350 Legend with a 3-9x40mm Vortex Crossfire II Riflescope factory Mounted and Bore sighted for $600ish Which is perfect for Ohio straight wall cartridge deer hunting regulations. prolly 300 yds and in. they chose a 3x9 scope to pair with it. obviously 20x would be way to much for the caliber and conditions, so you have to take many things into consideration to determine what you need
I just bought an Arken EP5 for my 20" White Oak Armament upper. It's basically just a long range toy. I'd never walk through the woods with it and expect to need 25x magnification. Also, it weighs 17 pounds with the 3.5 pounds of lead in the A2 stock... 🤣
Idk what price point your looking for but Leupold VX6hd comes in a 2-12 in a really light weight package the reticles are kind of basic but glass quality and weight is hard to beat at 19.9 ounces.
44:40 TBH I have a cheap 3x9 scope and I'm not sure I need much more for the distances I have available. prolly never more than 300yds, mostly less than 100yds and for hunting purposes mind you. maybe a 1x8 or 1x10 would be better and a 3x18 would be awesome but still I'd focus on the low to midrange of that for most of the distance I see deer at
Now if only that was in the viper family of glass quality instead of the strike eagle.. Oh wait.. maybe I should go look through it to see if it has the glass quality I like and want.. 4-5 power can be way to much for the low end hunting.. getting to 18 is way better than only 9 -12 power…. I like it.. seems like a great optic.. but. I’m also the guy who shoots 50 yard dot drills with a 22 lr on 30-36 power razor gen iii…. Cause I don’t want to see anything except the 8.5 by 11 paper I’m using to print targets! 😂. I have a 3-9 and two 4-16’s on hunting rifles and I’d swap out to this mag range on at least two of those…. Probably both second focal plane 4-16’s. The 3-9 is on a fairly light weight build and does exactly what I need it to…. Good stuff guys keep up the good work!
This complete podcast is a blatant sales pitch on a new Vortex product... You used to be more subtle and include other products, but this time, you missed that mark. There are so many mid range scopes in the Viper and Razor lineup that would fit the bill, but you never mentioned them. I love your podcasts, but please don't turn commercial and stay with your original and brilliant format.
I don’t agree with the 1-10 being a mid mag scope because a LPVO has a very different use case than a 3-18. I have the SE 1-8 and the Viper PST 3-15 and they don’t feel like they compete is the same game at all.
Most of the people I talk to say more is better and they have no idea why 3-15 3-18 will do everything you want and the more plus you'll save a few bucks
I just glued my windage in place on both my PST vipers. Used a few dots of black permatex and Iv almost got what I wanted. Noone makes 12”,capped windage,ffp, adjustable parallax that is at or under a grand. So I made my own. My gassers catch hell and the glue is good enough for the girls I go with
anyone commenting and crying about your bolts/mags/whatever should just stop watching... Holy shit, the camera shifted and I thought we were watching Tiger Belly for a second...
Idk.... For the extra 50 bucks I would just go with the Strike Eagle 5-25. At that point, it makes it a way better value. Seems to me that you're giving up a whole lot to save 50 bucks. If the budget is a bit tighter then the Venom 5-25 would fit the bill nicely. If you're looking for a mid, then the Diamondback 4-16 would work well. I'm not really sure what roll you guys are trying to fill with this that isn't already filled elsewhere.
Personally I still think that the higher powered optics are the only way to go... yes the higher magnification optics are heavier and cost more. Wait a few extra months to save that extra hundred bucks before you buy a scope... One thing I learned many years ago that in the long run never EVER try to save a few bucks especially on optics. Eventually you will one day buy the scope that you should to get the quality and functionality you need. I honestly have never met a satisfied scope owner that bought the cheaper optic to save a hundred bucks. I believe that hunting could be the only factor in a lighter scope. We all know that all scopes have a percentage of glass quality change at higher magnification... No matter how expensive or how inexpensive the optic they all change when turned up. Now a lot of people say well I never shoot over 14 or 16 power anyway... Ok but wouldn't you rather have a higher magnification scope adjusted to a mid range adjustment in the center of adjustment then maxed out on the highest end of a 16 power variable? 16 power on a maximum 16 power adjustment will have the fuzzy edges. but a 25x scope adjusted to the center of adjustment of 16x will be as clear as the optic can be. Now I promise that you'll one day want more power when you're on the bench... You don't have to pack along the spotting scope or worse go out and buy a spotting scope to site in... But if you need your steps using your smart watch I guess a dozen trips to the 100 yd. or heaven forbid the 200 yds. target is what you want... I guarantee you there will be several times in every shooting season that you'll wish you had that 25x adjustment just so you can see that last shot... I truly believe that your at a noticeable disadvantage with a lower powered optic. Go with the most power that your application offers and use your scope to its maximum potential.
All of that goes out the window the day you get up from the bench and take a walk in the woods with your rifle. The man who hunts in woods has no need for a 25x scope and though the conversation today was dominated by "tactical" applications, it was about mid-mag scopes, 16x isn't "mid-mag", 9-12 is mid-mag. Deer hunters want something that has good light transmission and big field of view and much lower power at the bottom end. That's something you'll never get with a LR bench scope.
I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.
Crazy thing is midrange power was high power in days of old. When I first clicked on the video I was expecting a conversation about the 2-10 line with the 1-10 sprinkled in there. Interesting topic and video nonetheless.
I agree, I considered my first 4.5x14 scope to be a "high magnification" scope since 3x9's were midrange.
@@jfess1911 😂 I still consider my 4.5-14x as my “high power” scope. Got my first 2.5-10 recently and that fits “midrange” in my mind.
Yeah, it ain't high magnification anymore unless it goes much over 20x. Of course that seems (in my mind) useless for anything other than bench shooting
It's not that he's cheating on you, it's that he's not that in to you, and has decided to see other people. You're free to do the same. Trust me, he's doing you a favor. Move on. It was fun while it lasted.
Hunters in the eastern part of the country are looking for a scope that tops out at no more than 10 or 12 and has a low end below 3x. Ideal would be a 1-10x44HD in ffp with a workable reticle and an illuminated floating aiming point inside the crosshairs. The large objective for the bigger eyebox and to bring light in, lower power for snap, offhand shots...and make it light please.
I used to be all about the high mag scopes but have started to lean towards mid mag scopes for hunting now I think 2-12 or 3-15 are probably the best mag ranges you could put on a hunting rifle weather you hunt in the timber or out west.
I know it's at the lower end of mid-magnification, but I think a 2-12 is probably some of the best bang for your buck, as well as the best use for it's size and weight.
I was part of a scout platoon in Ramadi 05 and 06. An aimpoint on a 14.5 inch m4 was fine out to 200 meters. Longer engagements were handled with machineguns, artillery, and snipers. Edit: our snipers used fixed 10x power leupolds.
Now imagine everyone on your team being able to engage to 400-500 meters with todays optics
@@Huckleberry_Hunter maybe in Afghanistan. Ramadi engagements were rarely over a few dozen meters. We had a choice of the aimpoint or the acog, and only 1 guy chose the acog. An m4 with today's optics is still probably barely good enough for anything over 500 meters. Keep in mind that combat shooting is way different than target shooting.
@@KBell119 in that case, I think I’d opt for the aimpoint also
I love mid range scopes! My Viper HST 4-16x44 delivers a perfect image from 30 to 1000 yards!
Just got the strike eagle 3-18x44 amd honestly the glass and parallax is phenomenal...cannot tell the difference between it and my razors. I'm truly shocked as to the quality of glass on the new 3-18x44 34mm strike eagle!! Bravo vortex
I jusr ordered a 3-18 today for a ar build
Is it better glass then the 5-25 Strike Eagle or the same?
@@Mkkboi not sure i sold it and went a different route
The Strike Eagle line all utilizes the same glass in the optical system!
I love my Strike Eagle 3x18. Dials are tactile, glass great, most notably the retical on the FFP is nearly as fine as some extremely high-end scopes.
Any chance the Razor LHT line will be updated soon with that reticle? IMHO, a Razor LHT 2-10 FFP with that reticle would be optics perfection. Leupold just updated their MK5HD line with a 2-10 and its amazing. A response from Vortex would be great to see. Love the podcast. I listen every Saturday while driving to the desert to shoot.
A razor 2-10 would be amazing. Perfect for an AR 10 type rifle. Or a great Midwest hunting scope. I have a scar 17 I'd love to put it on
Really enjoyed this talk. As someone who hunts deer and coyotes in the east, I couldn’t be happier with my Viper HS 2.5-10. I have killed coyotes at 50 yards and and 250, and deer 25-125. Everything I could need for everything I do.
As a Canadian bow hunter that shoots moose every year and has converted to occasional rifle use. Mid range is the way to go. Problem is the attitude and sales tactics in the stores. I walked into a store a few months ago with my new rifle. I explained my hunting experience of usually taking game within 50m. Now with rifle a long shot would be out to 250m. First thing the salesman grabbed is the Razor 6x36. I said no I was thinking more 12 to 16 power max. His words "don't you want to shoot long range". There is no long range in the bush I hunt. Despite his persistence eventually I walked out with a diamond back 4x16 FFP. Great scope but even wonder if I need the ffp.
On another note I just sent in a scope in for a warranty repair. The service and experience was awesome.
I understand that these gentlemen are coming from a military/tactical background. For hunting, a 3-9x scope was considered a great general purpose solution for decades. Today you can get 2.5-10x scopes ranging from budget offerings under $200 to a $1,600 Nightforce. There are a lot of high quality offerings in the $600-1,000 range. That’s a reasonable price point for many hunters. Today a 1-4x or 1-5x magnification factor seems very practical without too many trade offs in terms of optic quality or cost. When you go up to 1-8x or 1-10x mechanical and optical constraints come into play. Another thing to consider is that making a first focal plane reticle you actually can see and use across the full magnification range gets a lot more challenging with 1-10x magnification.
What I’m trying to say is that I’d hoped for a discussion of 2.5-10x or 2-12x scopes for hunting applications and this video wasn’t that.
Got to look through this optic yesterday. Was absolutely blown away with the glass quality and field of view. I'll hopefully have this on a hunting rifle by the time the fall comes around.
I’ve got a viper hs 4-16x50 on my Tikka hunting/sniper rifle and it’s perfect!
Would love to see an episode on precision pistols- TC Contenders and XP100. Little interest nowadays but very cool guns.
Hell ya, I have a shit ton of t/c stuff it's awesome, really under rated, xp-100, also
I shot a 4-16x optic all year last year in prs. Honestly never came off about 14x the whole season. Enough to engage a 2moa plate at 1100 yards but enough field of view to move around all the other targets without getting lost in mag.
I emailed Vortex about the possibility of a compact 3-18-ish scope, something in the profile of the Eotech Vudu 5-25. I have to work around a 10" handguard, and if I throw a 12-14" scope on that I run out of rail space quick, and the 5-25 is just too much glass imo.
Im all in on the medium optics, they arent a replacement for higher magnification glass if its needed, but I'm only using a 5.56, my concern is just being able to positively ID whatever I'm shooting at and doing accurate ranging.
Strike eagle 1x8 =$800 + venom red dot = $350 = $1150 + $200 in optics mounts = $1350
Strike Eagle 3x18 = $850 + venom red dot = $350 = $1200 + $200 in optics mounts = $1400
Razor 1x10 LPVO = $3600
A 3x18 illuminated scope + an offset Red Dot seems like a real bargain for the capability
The new strike eagle seems like a nearly perfect DMR scope or a versatile hunting scope. But for dedicated hunting, I would probably want something lighter, and for dedicated PRS I might want a little more magnification.
Mate I just bought my 3-18x44 strike eagle, picking it up soon from the local gun shop. Can't wait to kick arse with this thing.
I think 3-15 or 18 is the perfect hunting magnication range.
Vortex Razor LHT and Leupold VX5HD are my favorite hunting scopes.
MPVO and piggyback RDS is a Chad move.
People talk about 1x per 100yds/m, but for my aging eyes wanting good PID I prefer closer to 3x per 100yds/m. That makes a 9x to 12x range great for realistic personal abilities for MY top end of range/distance shots. Even 8x (for me) is enough for as far as I'm able to shoot with any degree of accuracy.
I would love to see a 2.5-10x44 or 3-12x44 FFP using a VMR1 style recticle maybe with 1/4 MOA/MRAD graduations in the Diamondback Tactical range, it would be a great hunting scope for most people. I believe that field of view is very important in hunting over high magnification.
Mid range optics. A Jack of all trades, master of none. A pair of Jack (shooter and firearm) is great to draw to. This is a good discussion. It's gray areas in a world looking for black and white.
I put the 5-25 on my delta 5 pro 18in 6.5 creedmoor I always use it around 18 to 22 around 200 yards I just like how clear I can see the impact on steal targets center headshots so fun I Dnt dial in I just hold over I’m used to the acog so it’s fun for me
I am justing getting into guns and shooting and honestly for my needs it doesnt make much sense to go beyond 10x
This is a awesome video!! I have the exact same rifel and I bought the exact same hand gard!!! I'm where you were before all the work you did to it!!!! Lol could you please make another video showing how you got the hand gard to fit and how everything came apart and went back together!!! Thanks man good stuff!!!
Did anyone else chuckle at the silly notion that Mark & Jim together somehow overpower Ryan on the other side of the table?
Please don’t take that as me saying Jim and/or Mark are lightweights in these discussions. Far from it - both are highly experienced shooters and hunters, and I am very interested in their explanations and opinions. It’s just that Mr. Muckinhern is in a class all his own. His knowledge base relating to cartridges, ballistics, and rifles and their application to different hunting scenarios is simply encyclopedic.
You're right though 😂 Ryan, "Muck", "Muckopedia", is in a class all his own! We like to think of ourselves as a very balanced trio 🤓
I love my 3-12 scope. (Sorry it’s not vortex brand 😔)
6-36 so you mean adding a Hubble telescope to your rifle LOL, I will say as a long time 3x9 user the 4x14 is pretty amazing for small targets at range like coyotes. But I could also go for a really well made light simple 6x fixed power most of the time as long as I don't have to beat the bushes.
Savage sells Savage 110 Apex Hunter XP .350 Legend with a 3-9x40mm Vortex Crossfire II Riflescope factory Mounted and Bore sighted
for $600ish Which is perfect for Ohio straight wall cartridge deer hunting regulations. prolly 300 yds and in. they chose a 3x9 scope to pair with it. obviously 20x would be way to much for the caliber and conditions, so you have to take many things into consideration to determine what you need
I just bought an Arken EP5 for my 20" White Oak Armament upper. It's basically just a long range toy. I'd never walk through the woods with it and expect to need 25x magnification. Also, it weighs 17 pounds with the 3.5 pounds of lead in the A2 stock... 🤣
Hey is that a Reptilia Recce Stock on that AR10 in the thumbnail? If it is how do you like it?
yes
I have only visited Michigan twice and I know what a UPer is. However, I have a very long time friend who’s from Traverse City….
I've been looking for a 2-12 for both my 18" 5.56 and a 16" 308. Also it would be nice to keep them under 24-25oz.
Idk what price point your looking for but Leupold VX6hd comes in a 2-12 in a really light weight package the reticles are kind of basic but glass quality and weight is hard to beat at 19.9 ounces.
@@BMXrider915 That is a SFP optic, which makes it a non starter for me.
44:40 TBH I have a cheap 3x9 scope and I'm not sure I need much more for the distances I have available. prolly never more than 300yds, mostly less than 100yds and for hunting purposes mind you. maybe a 1x8 or 1x10 would be better and a 3x18 would be awesome
but still I'd focus on the low to midrange of that for most of the distance I see deer at
Brass facts says urban is not cqb, great video
Now if only that was in the viper family of glass quality instead of the strike eagle..
Oh wait.. maybe I should go look through it to see if it has the glass quality I like and want.. 4-5 power can be way to much for the low end hunting.. getting to 18 is way better than only 9 -12 power…. I like it.. seems like a great optic.. but. I’m also the guy who shoots 50 yard dot drills with a 22 lr on 30-36 power razor gen iii…. Cause I don’t want to see anything except the 8.5 by 11 paper I’m using to print targets! 😂. I have a 3-9 and two 4-16’s on hunting rifles and I’d swap out to this mag range on at least two of those…. Probably both second focal plane 4-16’s. The 3-9 is on a fairly light weight build and does exactly what I need it to…. Good stuff guys keep up the good work!
Y’all gotta bring something out to run with that new mk5.
It's basically Canada/Wisconsin had a baby that's a yooper. Love the cast guys can't wait for two a week.
Jim you are thinking of PS4's or PS4S. Good right up until then it snow, and then, not so great.
I believe that the UPR is a model of rifles from Uintah Precision. Just FYI.
Tell Ryan I’m still waiting for that 300 WinMag
Some one breevin heavy.
Sold me on the 3x18
This complete podcast is a blatant sales pitch on a new Vortex product...
You used to be more subtle and include other products, but this time, you missed that mark.
There are so many mid range scopes in the Viper and Razor lineup that would fit the bill, but you never mentioned them.
I love your podcasts, but please don't turn commercial and stay with your original and brilliant format.
Another Vortex optic? Count me in.
South African North Western and western province hunting: 4 - 12 x 40. Happiness
I don’t agree with the 1-10 being a mid mag scope because a LPVO has a very different use case than a 3-18. I have the SE 1-8 and the Viper PST 3-15 and they don’t feel like they compete is the same game at all.
I noticed how you all avoided using “MPVO” to describe this class of optics. ;-)
Don’t worry I won’t be watching the edge podcast. Where do I find it again.
I made it 23 minutes and still don't know what they consider to be "mid-magnification." 😔
Where 2-10PST Gen II and VHS 2.5-10?
Most of the people I talk to say more is better and they have no idea why 3-15 3-18 will do everything you want and the more plus you'll save a few bucks
In that case open sights
The capped windage turret doesn't make any sense to me.
MAX MAG MARK!
I just glued my windage in place on both my PST vipers. Used a few dots of black permatex and Iv almost got what I wanted. Noone makes 12”,capped windage,ffp, adjustable parallax that is at or under a grand.
So I made my own.
My gassers catch hell and the glue is good enough for the girls I go with
Just a bead around the outside?
3-18 strike eagle or 3-15 viper pst II. 🧐
PST... Turrets are MUCH nicer!
anyone commenting and crying about your bolts/mags/whatever should just stop watching...
Holy shit, the camera shifted and I thought we were watching Tiger Belly for a second...
Is Chris from defensive concepts
Negative.
for me anything over 10x is a waste
Idk....
For the extra 50 bucks I would just go with the Strike Eagle 5-25. At that point, it makes it a way better value. Seems to me that you're giving up a whole lot to save 50 bucks.
If the budget is a bit tighter then the Venom 5-25 would fit the bill nicely.
If you're looking for a mid, then the Diamondback 4-16 would work well.
I'm not really sure what roll you guys are trying to fill with this that isn't already filled elsewhere.
6X mil dot is the way... #MakeFixedPowerGreatAgain
Personally I still think that the higher powered optics are the only way to go... yes the higher magnification optics are heavier and cost more. Wait a few extra months to save that extra hundred bucks before you buy a scope... One thing I learned many years ago that in the long run never EVER try to save a few bucks especially on optics. Eventually you will one day buy the scope that you should to get the quality and functionality you need. I honestly have never met a satisfied scope owner that bought the cheaper optic to save a hundred bucks. I believe that hunting could be the only factor in a lighter scope. We all know that all scopes have a percentage of glass quality change at higher magnification... No matter how expensive or how inexpensive the optic they all change when turned up. Now a lot of people say well I never shoot over 14 or 16 power anyway... Ok but wouldn't you rather have a higher magnification scope adjusted to a mid range adjustment in the center of adjustment then maxed out on the highest end of a 16 power variable? 16 power on a maximum 16 power adjustment will have the fuzzy edges. but a 25x scope adjusted to the center of adjustment of 16x will be as clear as the optic can be. Now I promise that you'll one day want more power when you're on the bench... You don't have to pack along the spotting scope or worse go out and buy a spotting scope to site in... But if you need your steps using your smart watch I guess a dozen trips to the 100 yd. or heaven forbid the 200 yds. target is what you want... I guarantee you there will be several times in every shooting season that you'll wish you had that 25x adjustment just so you can see that last shot... I truly believe that your at a noticeable disadvantage with a lower powered optic. Go with the most power that your application offers and use your scope to its maximum potential.
All of that goes out the window the day you get up from the bench and take a walk in the woods with your rifle. The man who hunts in woods has no need for a 25x scope and though the conversation today was dominated by "tactical" applications, it was about mid-mag scopes, 16x isn't "mid-mag", 9-12 is mid-mag. Deer hunters want something that has good light transmission and big field of view and much lower power at the bottom end. That's something you'll never get with a LR bench scope.
@@mikemelina7395 like I said. hunting would be the only passion that would change my experience...
@@mikejensen2598I've never complained about needing or wishing I had anything higher than an 18x magnification on the top end.
Kind of a sales presentation....
Hey bros thanks for the info