**HOLY SH*T** I Just Watched Full Metal Jacket (1987) For The First Time Ever
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The drill sergeant was an actual drill sergeant he was there to help the actor out but they used him instead
How the military should be!!!! Welcome to the military what protects America except well now days blm and looting riots burning is ok.
It's drill instructor, not sergeant.
It's either or because the instructions will play mind games on the titles so it's not wrong yet it is.
The machinegunner in the helicopter was asked (while shooting at civilians in the rice patties) if he ever SHOT any women or children. He said sometimes. Joker asked how he could do that, talking about the morality of the act. The gunner (who originally was supposed to play the drill instructor) turns it around and says it is easy because you just don't lead them as far...a reference to shooting slightly ahead of a moving target... basically saying they don't run as fast as the men do. AND THAT is why Rastaman was puking in his helmet.
This drill instructor didn't go off a script. He did all of it on his own based in his experience as a real drill instructor.
When the PTSD kicks in and makes you a star.
@@npc2153. Hard men make life easy. Weak men make life hard.
Hard men makes peoples lives hard. Not easy. @@tallwalls76
@@npc2153 I am sorry you have to live with the condition of being a debbie downer.
he said that he hopes this is a show case of what not to do as a drill instructor.
R. Lee Ermey who played Sgt. Hartman was once a real Marine D.I. He said that yes, it was rough. He used a lot of his own lines in this movie. He was a real life bad ass mo fo
YOU GOT A WAR FACE ?
I used to work with several ex-Marines. They were "different" LOL.
As far as Hartman's insults.........between the ex-Navy and USMC guys I worked with, I'd heard almost all of those insults before I ever saw the movie.
(The "common courtesy to give him a reach-around" was a new one....LOL)
@@bizjetfixr8352lol yep my dad was nam era army .. I heard all this a lot lol .. not that he drilled us kids just dad talking shit .. he was a construction worker too so he had a mouth .. one of the funniest men you could meet .. until he needed to be serious then look the hell out lol
I went through Marine boot camp in 1969 and without question, this is by far the most realistic depiction of what we went through. Training was harsh, very harsh. The DIs' job was to instill discipline, military bearing and make us all killers in 13 weeks. Not an easy task for a bunch of 19 year olds just out of high school.
@boosuedon, I hear you Brother, I went through Army boot camp at Ft Jackson SC in Feb 1965, and yes it was realistic but just an overview, we did 16 straight weeks, 8 weeks boot camp and 8 weeks of AIT with jungle survival training 6 days a week average 16 hours a day, they were they were taking us to near total exhaustion every day. I had always heard that jump school at FT Benning was was tough training, I was pleasantly surprised, compared to what I had been through at Jackson that was like spending 3 weeks at Disney world.
Parris Island?
Yeah, Lee Ermey the Dude who played the DI was a real USMC DI at Paradise Island right through the Vietnam War! He was only supposed to be an advisor for the film. However, he expressed interest to Kubrick about playing the role of the DI himself when Kubrick phoned him about the consulting position. Kubrick rejected him as the role had already been cast. Subsequently Ermey recorded some interviews with potential cast Members in Character wearing his DI persona. Kubrick saw the footage and the poor dude who had the role was immediately replaced! Kubrick did however give him a Camino as the helicopter transport gunner when the film transitions into Vietnam.
@@jaydouglas8845 They are currently training losers who will not be hard enough to win wars against enemies who do not subscribe to the woke ideology that dominates current US training doctrine. --- I went thru PISC RTR 3rd Bn Lima Co Plt 3037 USMC 1989. Co-ed training for Marines is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of, and Gen. Berger's re-structuring of the Corps by removing armor, artillery, and more units is running a close second for stupidity.
I was in the Marines from 1985 - 1989 and again in 1991 Semper Fi
First movie I ever saw with my wife. She picked it. 4 months later we got married. Almost 36 years, 4 kids, and 9 grandkids later going strong.
Damn that's some movie to go on a date first time
Damn, bro! I’ve never seen somebody watch the first half of the movie and think it was a comedy 😂
Some people(many Americans) are brought up a certain way. I dont think he comprehends the depth and seriousness of it.
But, it is a comedy...?
The more creative lines DIs use are supposed to be ridiculous. They can be real comedians that you're not allowed to laugh at.
In basic the DS's were hilarious. As long as it wasn't directed at you of course.
I think the first half is meant to lure in Americans who don't think critically about all the negative reinforcement, brainwashing and abuse, and shock them when that all results in Pyle's murder-suicide, maybe even get someone to rethink some of their assumptions. But obviously it doesn't always work :/
The drill instructor had EIGHT WEEKS to get you ready to go to Vietnam. So he HAD TO BE extra hard on the recruits.
"nobody told me this movie was this funny"
Uhh... Yeah. You'll see.
I love when people say they’d hit a drill instructor because even if you could manage to attack one, there’s 2 more that are gonna probably put you in medical for so long you’ll fulfill your contract
Also keep in mind the Instructor is trained to fight and subdue!!!
Especially Vietnam war era boot camp.
yeah i laughed when he said that. he has no idea lol.
Excactly you'd of got your ass stomped.
And remember most Dis were WWII veterans who were career military. Some green kid from California would get a time in the brig, dishonorable discharge when he got out of ICU.
People always talk about how harsh the drill seargeant was. What a lot if them dont realize that there was a reason.
In an interview, Ermey talked about his days as a Drill Instructor. He talked about the fact that they did hit soldiers and it was actuslly worse than the movies. But he said, you have to understand. It was during Vietnam and these men were going to be sent straight into combat. If they werent hardened, if they hesitaded for even a second in battle, they were dead.
He also said that every week, a list of killed,wounded and missing would come out. And every week one or more men would show up on the list that he had trained. He felt like he failed those men, so he trained them hard. He cared for every one of them.
Pyle isn't pissed off or mad. He snapped. He's having whats called a dissociative reaction in psychological terms. He can no longer reconcile his personality with the reality around him. In today's military he wouldn't pass the psych exams that get you into basic.
Psychology testing to get into the military? Where are you from?
@@briandavies-wo1mn Bro they do psych evaluations at processing intake centers. They are mandatory.
I always believed Joker killed the sniper not out of anger, but more of a mercy-kill.
Yeah, she was asking to be killed
It is strongly implied that is what happened
no duh. she was dying anyways but he probably would have wanted to save her if she were not dying. then Animal Mother would have fragged him for it. I love Animal Mother. I would have left her for the rats.
Vincent Donofrio absolutely crushed his role in this movie. Including gaining a bunch of weight for it. Check out Adventures in Babysitting, where he’s cast as a mechanic who the little girl thinks is Thor, her favorite comic book character. He’s chiseled Adonis in it.
He said he had to put on 80 lbs to be private Pile
My dad was in the army in the 1960’s and he called that a blanket party what they did to Pyle and he said when he watch this movie it was a pretty accurate description of what boot camp was like the drill instructor was there to weed out problems and break soldiers down and rebuild them up,the gunner on the helicopter was originally slated to play the drill instructor,
It is. The blanket party, I mean; still happens today in the Army, and aye, it's quite accurate
That’s what we called it in 77
same in 93@@aubreyjones2206
Still a blanket party in 97.
went through in 07. didn't have blanket parties but we were allowed to call out another soldier and roll on the mat. Problem soldiers were choked out by other's if they caused too many problems. One problem soldier could beat a couple guys on the mat but not 40+ over and over.
the saddest part in this movie is the moment that you see Pvt. Pile's mental break. From one scene to the next you can see his sycosis take root. this kind of stuff can and will happen in some instances like this.
he was being trained to be an emotionless killer. Every once in a while you create a Frankenstein.
My father is a Vietnam Vet and he told me this is the most realistic portrayal of boot camp in the late 1960s during the war.
I had the experience of Marine Corps bootcamp at Parris Island in 1977/78. On the island for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years. I was all of 5'1" and 117lbs. I ended up serving 6 years as an Expeditionary Airfield Equipment Specialist. I wouldn't trade that experience for anything.
"Swing with wing."
Damn you must be a hard mfer to do all that at 5'1". Respect
I was at Fairchild AFB while you were at Parris Island, Thank You for serving Sir!
The “looking at the feet” was the nightly hygiene inspection. They checked to see if anyone had any issues. They also made us chug a canteen of water without stopping every night. If you stopped drinking before it was gone, you had to fill it back up and drink it again.
What’s the deal with chugging water? So you naturally have to wake up early to pee or something?
@@mattalibozek7258 It may sound weird but so many just don't realize they haven't drank enough water. SO many people faint on ruck marches due to dehydration and still have plenty of water on them.
@@mattalibozek7258 You need the water and salt in your body the night before you hump w/a full load of gear. I've seen men pass out due to heat and dehydration.
They were constantly making us drink water. I went to basic in the summer months and guys would fall out all the time from dehydration. Failure to take care of our bodies was considered destruction of government property. Remember not to lock your knees, LOL.
@@mattalibozek7258 you should weigh yourself before you go to bed and right when you wake up. all of the weight you lost was water weight.
you notice this in a buttoned up tent with all the goddamn condensation on your tent walls.
add that to what the other fellas said. dehydration sucks. I've been so dehydrated and down from heat I've puked and felt cold.
The whole film including the Vietnam scenes was shot entirely in England. Director Stanley Kubrick had a fear of flying and never left England.
It's actually funny thinking about that considering the dude wasn't even from the UK. He had his one flight and said "aight, that's it"
I once went to school with a former drill sergeant in the British Army. He said their preparation for meeting a new group of trainees was to have a pint of beer and watch the first 45 minutes of this movie "to get in the mood." 😂
She was a sniper. She fought for her country as a soldier and she deserves a soldier's death. I think the real meaning of this scene was to let civilians know women and children die in war. They are often raped and killed without merit. The point being is once you are willing to kill life bearers, there is little hope for the species.
She was a soldier, like you said.
This is back in the day when a drill instructor was responsible for breaking down the civilian and building up someone worthy of combat. Standards are very different today.
Yeah because this country has gone soft
@@taylordunn5608very soft.....America is all about feeeellliinnggss now.....
This thread reads like a boomer facebook post lmao
A family member of mine had to take sensitivity training as a Drill Sergeant. Times have changed. 👍🍻
@@ben9and1-3rd And they wonder why they can't fill recruiting quotas.
Fun fact: The guy shooting the M60 saying "Get Some" has appeared in several War themed Movies and Shows, including the Sgt who served with Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan. He was also suppose to be the Drill instructor but R. Lee Ermey got it instead. Also R. Lee Ermey was a Staff Sergeant when he retired but was promoted to Gunnery Sgt in 2002 after the fact that he had retired by Marine Corps Commandant James L. Jones. This was the only time the Marine Corps promoted someone after they retired
That is an actual retired drill instructor. He was supposed to be the expert, but every actor that went for the part quit, so he got the part.
It was an unspoken rule that before you went to basic training you had to watch this movie. I know I did. My DS called me Jethro because I was as big as Pyle in this and from Kentucky. He's hard on him because the team is only as strong as the weakest member. Speaking of booby traps. On the forth of July when I was in Iraq we were going down the road in a convoy. I spotted an American flag laying on the ground about 100 meters off the road. Thing is you see the shape of an artillery round under it. We of course called it in and EOD came out and took care of the IED.
I only wish the round would have gone off as the idiot was making the trap, and how dare he place our flag on the ground!!!
I went through boot camp in ‘99 and the shit the DI’s came up with for insults was impressive. It was the best combination of ruthless and hilarious.
The whole time Adogg is saying, "Oh he's getting it together. What they did to him must be pushing him to get it right, etc." I'm just shaking my head harder and harder. LOL
best part is that boot camp was not scripted . this shit just spilled out of him cause of his actual career as a drill sergeant . Rip R lee
That drill instructor loved all of them. He was only tough on Pyle when he didn't do things right. Once he started doing good, he gave him compliments
Ultimately, the success or failure of the recruit is a reflection of the DI. They need to know what the strengths and weaknesses of the individual are. They need to know when they are at the breaking point. If a Marine snaps under pressure, like in combat, he or she becomes a danger to themselves and their fellow Marines.
@@knoahbody69 - And if the DI would've recognized that Pile was already off the deep end, he should've tried due process, call in the MPs and have him psychologically evaluated. But... this was the Vietnam Era. Some scanning was still in development.
Is that why he started talking shit to a guy with crazy eyes holding a loaded rifle?🤣 if he cared he would’ve de-escalate the situation in the bathroom🤷🏽♂️
Loved them so much he convinced one of them to murder him lol
@@crazydrummer181 no.. dummy. The guy was just crazy
The drill sergeant's opening scene was almost entirely improvised. When he talks about giving the reacharound, Kubrick called cut and ran up to Ermey and demanded to know what that phrase even meant.
not drill sgt in marines... drill instucter in my marine corp..
@@hvac0Marine Corps...not corp
That's hilarious because I have used that phrase in the Army during meetings. Command would pass down some bullshit order and I'd ask if we were getting a reach around.
My dad is a retired Army Warrant Officer and a retired elected Sheriff. He took me to see this movie in the theater when I was 12, and I was hooked. I became a Navy Seabee Master Chief, and served for 26yrs, 2 wars and several conflicts. I'm retired now, but my oldest son is keeping up the tradition as a Marine, and one of my younger brothers just became a command Sergeant Major in the army.
Thanks for your service, Master Chief. fellow sailor here. Although not as long as you. . My Grandfather was CPO, Uncle was GM2 , Father was YM2 and brother was also CPO. So my family were all Navy and my nephew went Army.
I will represent the Air Force as a Staff Sergeant veteran, Please covey a huge Thank You to your living family that are or have served!!
The way it was set up that shooting the wounded young girl is the merciful and a morally "good" action was well done. The girl had intentionally wounded soldiers to lure out others attempting to rescue only to wound them. Joker treated her better, by putting her out of her misery, than how she had treated others. So you could say that is a morally "good" action by shooting her.
Such a well done movie.
This movie is so wonderful for exposing the uninitiated to the magical education process that basic training or boot camp provides for the lucky few. How ridiculous is it for a movie director to think that any actor could ever emulate the divine gift that Drill Sergeants/Drill Instructors are born with?
Vincent D'Onofrio, "Gomer," was working as a bouncer when he heard about this role. He was also an aspiring actor and gained 60lb to get the role. The dude was a beast and had to train DOWN to get the role. Gomer for the win!
The guy who played Joker told him about it, Matthew Modine is friends with him. Told him what he was working on and for him to audition for a role
That dude is an amazing professional actor. He has a gift where he can memorize pages of lines in one reading.
What's crazy is that D'Onofrio was also in the movie _Adventures In Babysitting_ which came out the same year but he looks totally different.
D'Onofrio also played the bug in the "Edgar" suit in Men In Black.
@@rc1363 the only thing that pulls it’s weight around here is my god damn truck
Wow, I’ve probably seen this movie probably 30 times and never thought of it as being funny. My father was an Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, Okinawa island hopping Marine during World War II. He passed away in 1977 at 57 years old. I wish he would’ve been around to watch this movie and Private Ryan, and several others. He never really spoke about his time in the Marine Corps, but I heard him talk to others, and there was nothing to laugh about. RIP to my dad a USMC Marine Corps veteran an American hero Warrior. Totally respected in my neighborhood, nobody ever F’d with my dad or his family…
Lighten up. Those lines are undeniably funny
I agree...it's a bit strange to see people laugh at this, despite how the lines may be funny in another context.
I think it's a matter of differing perspectives. I had one grandfather at Midway, a survivor of the USS Hammann, and one at the Battle of the Bulge.
They couldn't find it in themselves to laugh at _everything,_ but you'd be surprised what they found humor in to cope with what they'd seen.
You can laugh it up but this is real shuff
Back when I went to basic training this was pretty much how it was. It was hard but we also had a lot of fun if you can believe that. There were different drill instructors in the company, and they had different approaches depending on what they were there to teach us. But our senior drill was a bastard. That guy hated puppies and kittens! But his job was to prepare us for war and try to keep us from getting ourselves killed. We were very young, and we had stumbled into a world of very serious business. Sergeant Grant if you are still out there, thanks for straightening me out. Ft Dix 1979.
I have read that many of the harshest, intimidating Drill Sergeant's used such tactics. So their men could have a hatred of the Sergeant, thus providing a bond together.
@@laudanum669 Absolutely. All of it was part of breaking down rebuilding making all work together against an ultimate enemy as parts of an organized force. Now Pyle there, he was trying to fix but he went a bit too far with an unstable man.
@@laudanum669 You are correct. They threw young men together from all over. Many times, we had little in common. By giving us a shared source of pain, we created bonds. Also, the longer we were there the less motivation we needed.
In real life, instead of just one drill sergeant screaming at the platoon, there would be four of them. Anxiety level X4.
When I went through bootcamp, the major goal was to blend in, low profile and disappear. Do not attract any attention.
I served 84 to 96. Boot camp part is perfect. I was In aviation, in the rear with the gear. Did 4 far east tours. 1% Marine stuff, 30% aviation work. 69% partying and women.
R. Lee Ermey was just a technical adviser. The helicopter door gunner was the original Sgt. Hartman. When Ermey showed him how to act a scene, he was immediately given the role. The rest is history. He said in an interview that they weren't supposed to hit recruits but they had twice as many recruits to train in half the time so they improvised a lot.
If this movie came out today it'd be cancelled so hard it wouldn't even see the light of day
"Your so ugly you could be a modern art masterpiece" In Netflix Daredevil the first time we see Vincent d'onofrio (Pile), he's in an art gallery, looking at a modern art masterpiece
R. Lee Ermey the man playing Gsgt Hartman was a real Marine Corps Drill instructor. That was his real uniform he was wearing.
Two of my best friend's (brothers a year apart) dad was a Marine Drill Sargeant during this time period, Vietnam War years and Drill Sargeants did talk like that. My friend's dad had cassette tapes of Marine Drill Sargeants from the 60's going off on the Recruits that he used to play for us when we were in high school in the 80's. The tapes were pretty funny, brutal and extremely politically incorrect.
RIP Gunny
R. Lee Ermey (Gunny Hartman) was a real Drill Sergeant back in the days.
He's the only Marine who got honorrary promotion from Staff Sergeant to Gunnery Sergeant (in 2002 - 30 yerars after medically retirement) while in non active duty.
I love all these people who say they won’t be yelled at or they would fight back. You woulda got utterly destroyed then thrown in the brig.
Fun fact: entire movie was filmed in England, as Kubrick has a fear of flying.
The drill sergeant was an actual drill sergeant in real life he was there to train an actor but they used him instead!
R.Lee Emery was a real drill sergeant. He was also in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake. He also had a tv show called Mail Call
MAIL CALL!!! Lock and load (both were on the History Channel.) Mississippi Burning, Toy Story. Switch back, Prefontaine, RIP Sir.
I didn't know that,
Thank you, 😊
@@bpankey1976Gunny! Legend!
No he was NOT. He’s a Marine. They are Drill Instructors. Drill sergeants are in the US Army.
your reactions are priceless. R. Lee Emery was a marine drill instructor and Kubrick actually let him write his own dialogue. RIP to a great man.
AMEN! SEMPER FI!
There is always someone in the troop that can't help but smile when being shouted at.
If you've already re-watched FMJ, you'll know this already, but the first time you watch this movie, you pay the most attention to Private Joker, since he's clearly the movie's main character. However, every time you watch this movie in the future, every time Gomer's on the screen, he WILL be the focus of your attention, because you can't look away from the oncoming train wreck that is the ending weeks of his life.
Marine boot camp in 1975, heard things to this day I won't repeat. Outrageous fun, helped me survive four wars.
This was like watching Gomer Pyle watch a movie about Gomer Pyle 😂
the opening shot of the haircuts...kubrick waited till the end of filming then made all the guys get their haircuts again when they thought they'd finally finished. The looks on their faces was real
Their hair was long as shit in that beginning scene….how could that have been the last thing they filmed? They didn’t have long hair during the rest of the movie. That just doesn’t make sense
@@jamesmoore4003 The movie was filmed out if sequence.
@@flobp2381 I'm too lazy to look up any filming schedule, but the head shaving had to be _before_ "Parris Island" filming and _after_ "Vietnam." So he's right to question how the haircuts had been the last to be filmed. Unless Joker and Cowboy had their head shaved twice during filming.
@@tigerburn81 According to the production notes filming went from August 1985 through August 1986. Add to that R.Lee Ermy was in a car accident and was out for four months due ti injuey and the movie was likely filmed out of sequence, anything's possible.
@@flobp2381 still doesn’t make sense…they would have had to film everything else and then waited months for their hair to grow back out and then shoot that scene…and maybe they did but that just wouldn’t make sense to wrap with filming and then call everyone back months later just to film a haircut
I went through boot camp in 2000. This is quite an accurate representation of how it was. The only things I can add is that there were extensive measures taken to ensure live rounds didn’t make it back to the squad bays and the haircuts were faster and more aggressive.
I went to Army boot camp back in 1979, and they did not allow us to have our rifles in the barracks. We had to check them in and out of the armory every day we needed them. Ammo was only every issued at the ranges. I do remember a guy lost his rifle one time when we were in the field. A drill instructor snuck over and grabbed it. The DI's jammed it into the ground like a fence post barrel first, over were we had company formations. The weapon was completely full of dirt and sand!
They called a formation and told us that we would have weapon inspections in 10 minutes. Any squad that didn't pass would repeat that hell week out in the field. Together that squad broke the weapon down and cleaned it to perfection inside of 5 minutes. Talk about a team building exercise, LOL.
BTW those old Vietnam era M-16's were complete shit. If you so much as dove to the ground the hand guards would come loose, and the buffer spring would slip over the buffer. We got better equipment once Reagan was in office.
@@mattsmith7490 the Marine corps is a little different. There went with us everywhere we went. At night they were locked to our bunks.
I always thought that if Pyle hadn't broken and snapped, he would've ended up as that door gunner in the helicopter laughing about shooting women and children. Just something that always stayed in my mind since I first saw this movie.
Vincent D'Onofrio is one of the most under rated actors in Hollywood.
The Drill Instructor in the movie was a real Marine Drill Instructor.
They took a risk shaving their heads. All those actors had no idea they were about to have their heads shaved. Those were all genuine reactions. 😂
It must have been done after filming the Vietnam half of the film.
That sounds like a movie myth. What's your source for that?
When joker asked the guy shooting people out of the helicopter if he does women or children. He meant does he kill them
This isn't a war movie, it's an anti-war movie.
This is DEFINITELY one of my top 10 favorite movies of all time. I had a crush on R Lee Ermey!!!!!
Name a pro-war movie.
@@kinghadbar probably some nazi propaganda films
@@kinghadbar "300"
They always were war movies until virtue signaling became a currency...
After the grilling of Snowball in the opening scene, he was appointed squad leader as revealed iin the Virgin Mary incident.
R. Lee Ermey actually came up with the dialogue insults himself.
My dad was career Navy. He used to refer to the USMC as Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.
That's Ok, because whenever the Marines needed to somewhere to fight, the Navy always gave them a ride.
In 1987 there were THREE Vietnam war movies that came out, Full Metal Jacket, Platoon, and Hamburger Hill. My friends and I went and watched them all at the cinema that year when we were in our 20's. I suggest you go take a look at the other two as well.
Stanly Kubrick said that R. Lee Ermey made cursing into an art form.
A bar of soap in a sock makes a terrible weapon.
Watching the haircut scene always reminds me of my childhood lmao. Every year when school started, I'd get a nice haircut and just get cleanups throughout the year. Then when summer started, dad and I would go in the backyard or to the barber on base and I'd get the exact same cut.
That's a real drill sergeant. He had so many one-liners on-the-fly that it kept the film crew busy laughing for quite some time.
Please make that Drill Instructor for the Marines!
Full metal jacket is the designation of the bullets they used not a jacket
Also known as ball ammunition. FMJ is the only ammunition allowed by the Geneva Convention as other types are cruel against humanity.
@@prollins6443 I suppose in the old days, paper magazines were used instead of a powder horn a few generations back. Then they had paper cartridges attached to bullets, and then the "full metal jacket" cartridge was the pinnacle of technology. I hear that they are experimenting with polymer jacketed rounds that explode with the propellant so "policing brass" will be a thing of the past, plus make ammo lighter.
@@knoahbody69 that could be a possibility for how it was named to begin with.
Nowadays, it refers to the projectile. FMJ, Hollowpoint, Armor-piercing, Sabot tungsten penetractor. All refer to the projectile and its designed mission. A.k.a. the pew section - according to Donut Operator!
The worst part is they didnt UN-program returning vets from being killers back then.............wished all vets could have taken a few months to decompress and then be released. "You guys are assigned 72-hour guard duty of this nice secluded beach...."
Bootcamp is about training the troop to act as a unit and to stay alive. Marine bootcamp was probably the toughest. Me, U.S. Navy 1967-1971, not easy but not Parris Island.
What kind of drugs do you have to be on to think that FMJ is a comedy?
Dark, Dark comedy
gallows humor
There are definitely parts of it that are funny. Maybe not the whole movie, but a large part of that boot camp segment with some exceptions, is funny. To me, at least. Maybe I'm crazy or something.
I went through boot camp in 90. The beginning of this movie makes me laugh. A smile always comes to my face when I remember those days
Originally R. Lee Ermey(drill sgt Hartman) was supposed to play the helo gunner. He convinced Stanley Kubrick to give him a expanded role and got the role of drill Sgt Hartman. R. Lee Ermey built a whole movie/tv career because of this role.
RIP Gunny 🇺🇸
“ hell I like you you can come over to my house and 🎉 my sister”😂
The beginning shave scene always brings me back.
I had enlisted in the Navy and, I was fully aware, I’d have my head shaved, hated the thought of it, but I arrive and the time comes and I’m in line, and I strategically maneuver myself two guys back as if the barbers will say “Ah maybe next time, keep the hair bud”
And then I step aside to tie my shoe, my shoe that was already tied but I’d stepped on the lace to untie it. Realized nothing I could do would spare me the clippers and finally they did it, took seconds, tap my shoulder, I move on, look in some glass and I just thought “Fuck me im bald..”. What’s not shown is the shots. Jesus. If you’re not good with shots or needles, that part will shake you up. Haha
The 'square needle in the left nut' rumor goes back at least to the 30s.
My second favorite Kubrick flick next to "The Shining." Joined the Navy 3 years after it came out in theaters. Watched it once a month during deployments.
If you DID hit the drill instructor back, that would be a HUGE deal. You would be locked up.
I'm ex-Navy, and did RTC in Orlando, back in 1992. And while Navy basic is in no way comparable to Marine basic, there's still plenty of yelling, plenty of pushups (and eight-counts!), and plenty of information to take in.
I sometimes marvel at how much I retained, despite (or is that because of?) how off-kilter they kept us, all the way from RIF to graduation.
One of my favourite movies, know every line.
I also love the theory someone proposed that the blanket party where Pile is hit with the soap, as well as the scene in the bathroom where he kills SGT Heartman are both dream sequences, and that Animal Mother who apparently looks similar to Pile, is the ideal Pile, or rather, what Pile might have become if properly moulded by the Marines. Such amazing acting by all involved, particularly by R. Lee Ermy who wasn't even acting due to his being a former Gunnery sergeant.
R. Lee Ermy improvised most of his lines.
Thing with Pyle was that he was mentally challenged. In the 60s and 70s and no lie, even up till today, a lot of people don’t see or recognize this. All the things that were done to him during boot camp just made him break from reality. They don’t say it during the movie but in the book they say he might be a section 8 due to his handicap.
There’s a quick scene in the movie where they mention it. Joker is mopping the bathroom with another guy and says “I don’t think Leonard can hack it anymore, I think Leonard’s a section 8.”
This is believable since McNamara decided to lower the acceptable IQ scores during this time period. Proved to be a very bad idea that resulted in plenty of deaths. Funny thing is a variation of this policy is supposedly in use in LE. The theory is lower IQ people will follow orders without asking questions more readily. Well we've seen how that is working out.
This is the Marines at their best. The training is intentionally high stress to produce true war fighters.
pyle wasn't mad as in angry, he was mad as in breakdown of mental health. He was childlike anyway and just lost it.
R. Lee Ermey himself said as a former Marine, anyway that a drill instructor is basically just an actor for us to play the role of a hard hearted, maniac
That guy used to be a drill sergeant for real. Stanley Kubrick, the Director, told him he would have no lines and just to play it as he would have in real life, so that's what he did.
Kubrick didn't like traveling so the battles were filmed in London Docks complete with imported palm trees !!
R Lee Ermey, who was a legit Marine Corps drill instructor, was the "military consultant" on set for Kubrik, and the original guy cast as Gunny was out sick but Kubrick still wanted to do some practice takes, so he had Ermey step in and run lines with the cast. The next day, the original castmember was dismissed, and Ermey took the role. Most of the opening bits were completely unscripted.
From what I heard R. Lee Ermey was a consultant for the part of the drill Sergeant play by someone else but he couldn't replicate Erney's intensity so he was replaced by R. Lee Erney who had never acted before. Whatever the case may be he nailed it like no other could.
This is the Marine Corps during the Vietnam War Era. They had to be tough on the recruits because they were going to war.
The helicopter gunner didn't say he has a wife and kids "sometimes", he meant he shoots women, and children sometimes. And when Joker asks him "how can you shoot women and children", his response is "you don't lead 'em so much"
you seemed to think this was a comedy at the beginning...lil bizarre...thank you to all the vets that served and commented on this movie review as im a proud grandson of a WWII vet, and your services are invaluable!
Private Pyle was drafted more than likely. Back then people were getting drafted to go to Vietnam, so he probably did not have the mental attitude to be able to survive.
Pyle was a volunteer. The Marine Corps did not take draftees until after the Tet Offensive.
27:26 Fun fact, the door gunner actor was the one who originally landed the role of SDI Sgt. Hartman! Yep! hahaha!
His weapon jammed, which was a problem with early version M16 platforms.
Csn you imagine talking to teenagers like this today? 😅
Umm, with the exception of sucker punching recruits, not much has changed. Although I will say teenagers say motherF*cker and F*ck a lot more than they used to.
Keep in mind that movies exaggerate everything. When I went into basic training, one of the first things they did was separate the overweight guys into their own training group. They had to spend an extra month or two just to lose weight before they entered official basic training. Training officers were not permitted to slap or hit the recruits. And though the training officers yelled and cursed a lot, there were boundaries.
That scene where they hit him with soap was at the time called a Towel Party..
The final confrontation with the sniper reflects the fact that the US expended about 50,000 rounds of ammunition for each confirmed VC killed.
Something like that happened to me during USMC bootcamp, Parris Island, SC in 1988. Two punches to the face! Hard core!