The skill-capped videos have been amazing for wrath classic! Looking forward to your shadow priest specific video, I can’t find anyone playing it except maybe Stahp and Anboni but both are pretty hit or miss
3 months later after the season ended and this list was not wrong at all. Feels like everything was scored/ranked perfectly lol. EDIT: Waiting for the S6 tier list now :)
Their sp guides are notoriously lacking. They were practically abandoned after they fell off meta in SL, so I doubt they will get proper treatment in wrath/DF.
Can someone give some tips for pally / war vs double dps caster teams? Setups like boomkin / ele shammy etc. have been extremely difficult to deal with.
Wrong in both accounts. Both are heavily gear dependant specs. ESPECIALLY destro. Against other low res targets, yah an ubdergrared destro can blow someone up. But against targets with resil? Ur chaos bolts tickle, and that’s even if ur innovate doesn’t get dispelled
Overal retri benefits very little from 2h, since main source of dmg is seals and judgement that scale from AP only. With shield you get 1 more DPS button (shield of righteousness) that actually hits pretty hard. Other obvious benefits are increased survivalibility against physical DPS ofc.
I thought FERAL/ROGUE was like at least A tier, specially in S5 where resil is Still low… deadly setups, nasty burst… Also, there are some ROGUE/DK comps REALLY high rated in some private servers.
the thing about comps is ... if its good against 50% of comps but rly bad against the other 50% ... the comp is gonna be trash. and on the example of feral+rogue .. its garbage against the #1 toptier hpally+ms the most played comp of em all
i thuoght sub rogue shadow priest had much more than a 13 sec cc window... What about sap > fear> silence > psychic horror> gouge > blind> full sap again
Did you count Ret/Frostmage not in because it’s for the later seasons, or did you forget about it? You said B Tier is chaotic and not so consistent, but Ret Frostmage is pretty strong and relies on control and lockdown. And it’s insanely strong
Wow seriously not a single mention to the comp destro lock - frost mage? This is top tier comp, very few to none can counter that if played properly. Also there are other comps that synergize very well and you didn't even mention them.
Your not going to see that comp whatsoever in season5… the lack of haste gear makes mages awful. Disc priest feral Druid is by far the best comp in 2s for season 5. Enhancement rogue and enhancement preg is broken too.
Any half decent team with mortal strike will shut that down with pressure. Mage rogue? Reset on kidney dr, and cross cc on the Druid, and keep doing so until they run out of cd’s. Warrior pally? Constant pressure with mortal strike while pally lines cc. The healers will oom, or a kill opportunity will present itself. Pretty much any good double dps or healer dps comp will absolutely body a double healer comp
I assume FERAL + DISC is in S + tier that's not in the video since its not in S tier right? That comp is bullshit EDIT : nvm I made a comment before i saw A tier...that comp is so dumb
Friendly reminder to us SL guys looking for something to do before DF… all the scumbag tactics in trade and auction house are back in effect. Don’t just click and buy. Thank me later.
@@stormskye3578 Not about if you care, they asked us to comment. Even if I don't like the expansion I like how SC breaks the info down for people. It's called an opinion lol.
@@bigbobam8857 "its called an opinion" proceeds to make an objective statement in "wrath sucked". Include "i think" or "in my opinion" if you want to not get called out for dumb comments.
I used to run Ele Sham / Resto Druid to great effect. You simply alternate cyclone DR until one of them is dead. Cyclone stops the healer, cyclone stops the target from being healed, cyclone pauses their ability to work at the same time, and then theres also root in a pinch. Tstorm is used to control their positioning and give you more time to cast as well. I would hands down take a resto druid over a holy pally as an Elemental shaman. 1h ret sounds like something interesting i'd like to try out too.
Yeah resto druids were good back in the day when we didn’t know better. Now Druid is super behind every other healer and is hard countered by rogues, especially s5. I’m not playing with a resto Druid ever this xpac
@@hamm8934 food back in the day? buddy, it sounds like you didnt play a single day of wotlk. druids were the go-to healer for 2s, maybe not on release, but definitely by the second/third season. dru/lock and dru/war were like 50% of our matches, and we beat them too. ground/tremor/cyclone/hex and positioning win the matches, but the matches are long and contrition based. we were no stranger to 20 minute matches, no joke!
@@TheMarcosvolta I’ve played wrath private servers quite consistently for the past decade. Resto druids are the worst healer in wrath. They have no magical dispel, have no defs (they can get deleted by a rogue or dk in s5), and are hard countered by priests 2x offensive dispels or shaman purge. All resto Druid has going for it is NS clone (assuming someone doesn’t insta purge the NS off). These days, resto druids spend the match rebuffing because they are purged to death and can’t put out solid heals and tunneled into the ground because of their poor defense or sit in bear form until they or their team dies from cleave. They can’t even dispel polymorph or a basic frost nova lol no melee is gunna wanna have a resto druid healer. People are much better these days. Resto Druid was only “good” because the average player didn’t know what they were doing. Blizzard has mentioned they’d be open to #somechanges for classes that are performing poorly and honesty I wouldn’t be surprised if they buff restore druids in some way
Dispel flame shock, and line shaman. Wow I just survived ur cyclone. Now I’m on cyclone dr, and I’m sitting your rdruid with full bleeds and mortal strike up, and my healer just cc’d u. What do you do? No magic dispel and all ur damage is tied to a dispellable debuff. Any comp that stacks magical debuffs will give you a rough time. Shadow/affliction, shadow/rogue, warrior hpal, Mage rogue.
@@raffydoe Ret paladin with casters hitting for 5k ice lance and 12k with lava burst etc. The bgs people get wiped out in seconds. The game is unbalanced af.
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no shadow priest movies yet
Why hunter+rdruid is not a thing? What is nonsynergetic about them?
The skill-capped videos have been amazing for wrath classic! Looking forward to your shadow priest specific video, I can’t find anyone playing it except maybe Stahp and Anboni but both are pretty hit or miss
check out Hozitojones. he is a rank1 player and said he will play a shadow and a healpala in wotlk as mains. he already has shadow footage uploaded
@@johng2794 thank you! Those are my two mains this expac as well, so that’s awesome.
Prove it.
@@PULAG prove it
"Every specc has its own A-Tier spot!" - Cries in Moonkin
Moonkin is core raid member now
Moonkin is good lol. You have to play like aggressive healer
Play double moonkin lol
Wotlk Rogue-mage will always be art
imho absolutely counters warr-hpala
3 months later after the season ended and this list was not wrong at all. Feels like everything was scored/ranked perfectly lol.
EDIT: Waiting for the S6 tier list now :)
I just started playing destro lock pvp and this channel is top tier. Thanks
I made my Hpal Lv70 before Wotlk start. but a friend of mine told me that Warlock was very good and made me play it.
I'm 40lv Warlock now.
The best class is the one you feel most comfortable with.
bro rogue is good.. go play it
go back to holy pala, or u will get smashed by overpopular melee classes... warlocks lacks a lot actually in dk/warr meta
Warlock is good, but this expasion is full of dks, and they crush you easliy
"One handed ret-paladin" Give Preg his credit!! The spec is named after him
Is preg really pve gear reliant ?
@@goldenmemes51 It is you need pve shield spell power weapon and some crazy trinkets to do proper dmg
@@alejandroferrer7128 Its also unplayble vs casters
@@jeremyrowe8224 umm the complete opposite. It crushed casters. Doesn’t take any damage. Hard to cc. Preg is great against melee and casters.
@@hamm8934 absolutely wrong. It struggles against casters. That's why it's good with enhance. Enhance is good into casters.
What about Arms Warrior/Disc Priest? I had best experience in 2s playing that long time ago. I see that nobody is mentioning that combo
Ret+MM and Feral+Disc should be on S
Are there SPriest arena guides on Skilled-Capped ? If yes I will for sure sub
Id like to know that too
Their sp guides are notoriously lacking. They were practically abandoned after they fell off meta in SL, so I doubt they will get proper treatment in wrath/DF.
@@rationalcoder Really sad to hear that. They should do guides for all specs no matter how viable they are.
SP are faking broken.
Best comp is the one where both you and your friends play the specs you enjoy and you try to push as far as possible.. stop min-maxing for a second
I mean sure but losing isn’t fun lol
That's just not true. Best =/ most fun
it is also a number game. need to have good gear
“Losing aint fun” you will quickly climb to your skill level mmr and lose half your games regardless of the comp you play.
@@znj1963 for the most part in wrath, if you’re losing, there are bigger problems than your comp
i play enha+disc and it pretty good
Can someone give some tips for pally / war vs double dps caster teams? Setups like boomkin / ele shammy etc. have been extremely difficult to deal with.
pray you're not at blade's edge.
Going to run Hpriest/BloodDK
When I was young when lk came out i solo dk and druid as ret pala xD remember kids wanted to teak photo with me ^^ good old days hehe
Why hunter+rdruid is not a thing? What is nonsynergetic about them?
Warlocks were one of the most powerful PvP classes in vanilla and TBC. I feel that in Wotlk they are significantly weaker but that's life.
Said two feral druid comps and then only said feral/disc priest... whats the other one??
Feral/sub maybe - stealth cleave
Isn’t Resto Druid/ Destro really strong early on? Like S tier or close? Both specs do well without insane gear.
Wrong in both accounts. Both are heavily gear dependant specs. ESPECIALLY destro.
Against other low res targets, yah an ubdergrared destro can blow someone up.
But against targets with resil? Ur chaos bolts tickle, and that’s even if ur innovate doesn’t get dispelled
Does the feral druids in this video have twitch ? Can u link ?
wasnt rogue priest in s tier? then talking bout them in a tier? i didnt understand that
We're playing Ret Pally and Shadow Priest in 2vs2 :)
what happened to ret mage ? :D
No ret hunter in S tier?
I was looking for this comp aswell.
Let's get that preg spec goingggggg
What about ele + sub. Is that anywhere viable?
Why spriest/rogue won’t Stier
What is the benefit going 1h ret? I can't find any videos or guides about it
Overal retri benefits very little from 2h, since main source of dmg is seals and judgement that scale from AP only. With shield you get 1 more DPS button (shield of righteousness) that actually hits pretty hard. Other obvious benefits are increased survivalibility against physical DPS ofc.
So ret feral is good aye?
Whats ur thoughts on Enhance + Rogue in 2s ?? I thought it is a tier atleast xD
Could have swore you originally mention destro ele as a 2s comp but didn’t mention it here at all. 😢
10:25, bottom right corner. Elemental Shaman + Destro Warlock in the A tier.
@@skillcappedwowpvp that’s what I get for trying to listen while working. Thanks for your time I really appreciate it!
I thought FERAL/ROGUE was like at least A tier, specially in S5 where resil is Still low… deadly setups, nasty burst…
Also, there are some ROGUE/DK comps REALLY high rated in some private servers.
Yeah double rogue is also very very good in s5
the thing about comps is ... if its good against 50% of comps but rly bad against the other 50% ... the comp is gonna be trash.
and on the example of feral+rogue .. its garbage against the #1 toptier hpally+ms the most played comp of em all
Where is spriest/rogue?
i thuoght sub rogue shadow priest had much more than a 13 sec cc window... What about sap > fear> silence > psychic horror> gouge > blind> full sap again
13 sec on kill target
Hey, what about unholy dk + resto druid? Thanks! 😊
resto druid will just get trained and dk can't help much re cc
What tier is scooby doo (ret-rogue)
Is it possible to do well as feral and elemental shaman?
no ret hunter? no lock/sham? we missed a couple here
They did mention ret and hunter. 5:40
Both of these comps appear in the A tier at 10:25.
Arms+Disc?
Did you count Ret/Frostmage not in because it’s for the later seasons, or did you forget about it? You said B Tier is chaotic and not so consistent, but Ret Frostmage is pretty strong and relies on control and lockdown. And it’s insanely strong
ret mage is mediocre at best. Every other traditional comp outclasses it.
0:55 we work together with the bestest of the best but wont name a single one :DD
Why no guides for all specs?
HOW DO U PUT WARRIOR S5 IN S TIER FOR 2V2 WTF
Wow seriously not a single mention to the comp destro lock - frost mage? This is top tier comp, very few to none can counter that if played properly. Also there are other comps that synergize very well and you didn't even mention them.
Your not going to see that comp whatsoever in season5… the lack of haste gear makes mages awful. Disc priest feral Druid is by far the best comp in 2s for season 5. Enhancement rogue and enhancement preg is broken too.
Dont know how frost mage - disc priest aint S tier.
frost mage marksman ?
no jungle?
Ui addons interface dk link ?
He talks about season 5 but shows items that fall in Icecriwn Citadel and RS
Warlock DEMO + shaman? Didnt see any demo warlock higher than 1900mmr
If you see ciqo and pshero combo play? You really won’t care which is the best, because they are
Shadow priest/frost mage should be S tier instead of DK/H. pala :x
Yes it should be but that duo needs to be expetional good and DK/pala is a brain dead duo
Well I am looking to play with a partner! Lost mine... Hpally LFG
preg ench not s tiers ? lol
Not me thinking Lock => warrior was a good setup to =|
Definately bringing back the disc priest/resto druid combo. Heal for days then stun fear burst. Rinse and repeat until they die or they quit 😁
Any half decent team with mortal strike will shut that down with pressure.
Mage rogue? Reset on kidney dr, and cross cc on the Druid, and keep doing so until they run out of cd’s.
Warrior pally? Constant pressure with mortal strike while pally lines cc.
The healers will oom, or a kill opportunity will present itself.
Pretty much any good double dps or healer dps comp will absolutely body a double healer comp
Non double rogue noob ?
Destro / Rogue inc
Ele sham disc is better than ele Holy paladin. It's also a tier.
do you have wotlk pvp teaching going on, i dont care about cataclism, ust wotlk on Warmane.
damn i dont see my ret/mage comp xD
This video is basically: physical damage rules, spell power meh
I think the top 2s comp back then was mage/priest
Thought it was HPal/War?
@@iblisellis7114 nah mage/priest countered us pretty hard in wotlk
@@romascopa8461 one of the only counters and it was closer to 60/40. It felt bad in S8 with shadowmourne though lol
@@romascopa8461 how exactly? paladin has blessing of freedom. what stops the paladin war from running the priest down?
@@Xxhermitxxrs sheep, mind control, fear, mana burns, frost spell galore. I can't remember if it was arcane or frost, so long ago.
I assume FERAL + DISC is in S + tier that's not in the video since its not in S tier right? That comp is bullshit
EDIT : nvm I made a comment before i saw A tier...that comp is so dumb
how is warr / hpala top tier in season 5?? yall been playing too much season 8.. and you dont even mention rsham / feral or feral / rogue
... i had to pick druid
Im gonna play feral+sub whith my friend.
Lol you dont even mention frost and destro team
A war and h Pala, say no more!
Friendly reminder to us SL guys looking for something to do before DF… all the scumbag tactics in trade and auction house are back in effect. Don’t just click and buy. Thank me later.
I went 2.4k+ on 2s and 2.1k on 3s multiple times as frost dk with hpal on final phase wrath lol
Shadow/Unholy who easy top
Hm this isn’t looking good. Plus, I’m gay.
This video is so bad it's hilarious
Fucking give us season 4 retail rankings.
Don't bother PVPing in classic WOTLK if you don't have time to raid.
Raids are puggable. That helps people who can’t commit to a schedule.
brain dead classes make s tier comps. well i never
pretty inaccurate video
first!@
None, because Wrath sucked. Won't be dipping into Classic till Cata comes out.
we care because?
Why did he even bother to write a comment when he does not care for wrath lol
@@stormskye3578 Not about if you care, they asked us to comment. Even if I don't like the expansion I like how SC breaks the info down for people. It's called an opinion lol.
@@Starplaya Because they asked us too. I'm a fan of SC even if they are covering something I'm not a fan of.
@@bigbobam8857 "its called an opinion" proceeds to make an objective statement in "wrath sucked". Include "i think" or "in my opinion" if you want to not get called out for dumb comments.
I used to run Ele Sham / Resto Druid to great effect. You simply alternate cyclone DR until one of them is dead. Cyclone stops the healer, cyclone stops the target from being healed, cyclone pauses their ability to work at the same time, and then theres also root in a pinch. Tstorm is used to control their positioning and give you more time to cast as well. I would hands down take a resto druid over a holy pally as an Elemental shaman. 1h ret sounds like something interesting i'd like to try out too.
Yeah resto druids were good back in the day when we didn’t know better. Now Druid is super behind every other healer and is hard countered by rogues, especially s5. I’m not playing with a resto Druid ever this xpac
@@hamm8934 food back in the day? buddy, it sounds like you didnt play a single day of wotlk. druids were the go-to healer for 2s, maybe not on release, but definitely by the second/third season. dru/lock and dru/war were like 50% of our matches, and we beat them too. ground/tremor/cyclone/hex and positioning win the matches, but the matches are long and contrition based. we were no stranger to 20 minute matches, no joke!
@@TheMarcosvolta I’ve played wrath private servers quite consistently for the past decade. Resto druids are the worst healer in wrath. They have no magical dispel, have no defs (they can get deleted by a rogue or dk in s5), and are hard countered by priests 2x offensive dispels or shaman purge. All resto Druid has going for it is NS clone (assuming someone doesn’t insta purge the NS off). These days, resto druids spend the match rebuffing because they are purged to death and can’t put out solid heals and tunneled into the ground because of their poor defense or sit in bear form until they or their team dies from cleave. They can’t even dispel polymorph or a basic frost nova lol no melee is gunna wanna have a resto druid healer.
People are much better these days. Resto Druid was only “good” because the average player didn’t know what they were doing.
Blizzard has mentioned they’d be open to #somechanges for classes that are performing poorly and honesty I wouldn’t be surprised if they buff restore druids in some way
@@TheMarcosvolta resto druid has only 1 noteworthy comp both in 2s and 3s, and is actually easily replaced by an hpala even in those.
Dispel flame shock, and line shaman. Wow I just survived ur cyclone. Now I’m on cyclone dr, and I’m sitting your rdruid with full bleeds and mortal strike up, and my healer just cc’d u. What do you do?
No magic dispel and all ur damage is tied to a dispellable debuff. Any comp that stacks magical debuffs will give you a rough time.
Shadow/affliction, shadow/rogue, warrior hpal, Mage rogue.
I was excited for pvp but I just get 1-shot in bgs. It's so unbalanced it's a joke.
Cuz ur not geared, there is no boosting ilvl system in wotlk like in modern expansions, if ur not geared u can be one shotted
definitely 0 resilience as a cloth caster
@@gladcomming Bro warlocks hit for 12k let's say we half the damage with full pvp gear. That's still 6k and you're dead in 3 hits LOL
@@raffydoe Ret paladin with casters hitting for 5k ice lance and 12k with lava burst etc. The bgs people get wiped out in seconds. The game is unbalanced af.
Dude what are you talking about? It's balanced until Shadowmourne and ICC trinkets. Learn to play and stop whining.