@@nexyo118 yeah but it kinda ruined the game too because in the name of balancing they made it pointless to even choose a class essentially. However when one class is OP asf that’s pretty annoying too or to have 1 class that always beats u when you try to PvP them. Wotlk is much more balanced atleast u have a chance.
@@gg025 preg comps zug zug unless they're played at the very top level of skill, where the preg plays much closer to how holy plays. its kinda wild how different r1 pregs plays to us normal plebs
rm is one of the highest skill ceiling comps, chemistrical macro, calculating DRs, cooldowns, enemy cooldowns, trinkets, methodical thinking, reaction, knowing when to take opportunities, risks etc, playing off of eachother, peeling, the list goes on, no other comp has the chemistry needed in order to execute than rogue/mage, it is literally the two highest skill ceiling classes in wow history paired together, compare it to any cleave comp where its borderline ONLY pve rotation off cooldown saying something is broken when the skill ceiling is so high is just flat out stupidity, and you definitely have zero idea about skill entry/skill cap, technicality, macro, and balancing within competitive gaming
@@Tucnacicek well for example I play sub Rogue with good gear (ulduar HM weapons, 40% ARP and with trinket proc 95% ARP) and I can kill a pvp geared mage in, no joke, 2 ambushes and 1 eviscerate.. warlocks and ele shamans kill people in 2 globals, if a warrior connects to your healer he will kill it in 10 seconds if your healer is a shaman or priest and there's so many more examples of how unbalanced wotlk pvp is
@@sdruba90 oh ur right, the nova didn't break it. Regardless, there are other points with blind break like in third game. Thats the kind of thing where it's nice to be in voice to communicate it
i think the fact that resto druid and resto shaman are irrelevent atm really brings down variability at the higher mmr's. hopefull in s2 something changes so you dont this pala and x-class every game. the burnout is totally understandable.
Kinda frustrating how they only released x patch with low effort. People had plenty of time to grind up OP classes,read paladin, because solved meta. Not even class rebalancing
Funny thing how things change from one another. For me what makes arena extremely boring is fights going longer than 3-4 minutes, for example i hate 2v2 arena with healers, healers shouldn't be allowed in this shit, when i'm full BiS on my character and an 2v2 arena pops up with a healer i immediatly quit since i don't care about ratings and points... Nowadays healers in 2v2 are so meta (back in the time it was quite rare to see a healer in 2v2) that i'm actually prefering going full BG for PvP.
I really thought Wotlk was gonna be better based on the community hype... I started playing in Cataclysm so I wanted to play Wotlk as people said it was the best expansion ever... I leveled up my char to 80, did some dungeoning and Raiding, a few BGs and arenas... but sadly I got bored very quickly, I decided to give DF a chance as I hated Shadowlands and man I'm loving it... I'm having infinitely more fun in Dragonflight than I did in Wotlk.
Indeed playing Forever-CC-Cheese comp must be boring... try playing something where you have something else to do besides doing the same 4 CC in a row... yes, this is hard, because in case you fuck it up you can pray that the enemy fucks up too or else you are done... This is basically robot-check comp... if you can repeat the same thing over and over again you win... don't be surprised that it gets boring...
i was in phase 1 BIS within 1-2 week(s) of wrath classic, grinded my heart out, so ready to pvp, played against warr/hpal 95% of games, literal keyboard drool composition pve rotation = autowin, barely played over 200 arena games before quitting in p1 lol, id just hop on every now and then to duel people in the underbelly or an hour or two
@@Weavelol I played in WotlK. I rememeber when 50% if the entire 2v2 bracket was made up by rogues and priests. It was so much mage/rogue, rogue/priest and mage/priest. Mages and rogues have been OP in this game since 2004. How many bad season for rogues can you remember? You need to get a grip if you don't realize this, lmao.
@@hansbystrom9983 Ah now it all makes sense, you're basing your statement on your exp from the original wotlk. That's fair, but this video is on classic wotlk and if you actually play it, you'll see the meta is wildly different compared to back in the day, since people are now much better at the game and strats have evolved. I've played every season so far and almost reached glad range, the ques are 50% warpal , 40% is either disc/feral, rogue/disc (or sp) and dk/pala. The remaining 10% is different comps. Now for RM specifically, there's max 1 or 2 RMs getting glad (not even r1) every season, and I face one about once in 150 games. Both rogues and mages have much better comps to play instead currently, as mages mostly play with sp (disc is kinda trash as mage lacks damage) ironforge.pro/pvp/leaderboards/EU/2 This is a live ladder for wotlk classic, feel free to check it out if you think I'm talking nonsense
You also run into the class design problems. Most likely if it isn’t on the top of the ladder. It’s because of balancing. There are plenty of people that play at rank 1 level. Each class has people of that skill level but the meta won’t let them compete in that meta
@@iN8k there's no irony in wanted an individual to do something and then they do it. You can't simply apply the back half of the definition and attempt to say it fits the definition.
The fact that you’re still harassiNg me, even though I’m correct, & you’re iNcorrectly attemptiNg to correct me, is proviNg your desper8ion to protect your ego@@MrXennon1
It says online that Hpal and Armswar are the best, but i think its farily mid at best. Tbh your comp rogue mage should beat it everytime, only chance they have against you is gross misplays from your team.
it's one of the top comps when S8 comes out, but still I tihnk casters and rogue + spriest are gigabroken too. It's a fun expansion for me tbh, everything's cool except for shammy and resto healers in 2s.
You might be playing against some of the smartest players, I mean going out and having a rogue be able to stun you when he wants would be kinda dumb right?
Playing 2s comps that are dps+offhealer (Melee /w Caster), and playing MCH 3s comps: is fun. Playing anything else is boring (double dps 2s without an offhealer, 2s with an healer, melee cleaves, caster cleaves)
5:10 And what's funny about that is if you were relying on UA-cam guides you would of thought it was gonna be tsg teams. Good thing I didn't care and still rolled my fav class a druid anyways. I do not regret it one bit.
+ warriors are at the bottom of pve dps charts atm cos of low crit and armour pen just imagine what that’s going to be like in pvp when they’re pumping in pve lol
the team that beat you 2 times that you mentioned if you played with a shadowpriest by your side it was going to be different :) mage can't cant dispel the divine shield of the pala so priest is better plus the disarm
Add magic dispell on a CD to all healers, and give priests their separate Purge to not cuck them from the new magic dispell CD. Maybe we will see more than just hpal/disc
защото има много класи дето могат да го супукат от бой вече :Д и не му е толкова лесно, уарлоци, паладини и дкта в арените ще са му тварежни особено като играе с мейдж, вместо да си вземе някакъв съпорт дпс, шадоупирест, друид да речем
I see your point. Rogue / Mage is obnoxious and boring.
its like the only duo that isnt just DPS racing lol
What? Lol said no one ever. All true pvp ers agree that rogue/mage is the hardest and the same time most fun comp
Yet to hear anyone say how fun rogue mage is.... everyone thinks it's boring
rogue/mage 2s is boring and war/pala , dk/pala is fun? :DD@@Coombi93
Rogue mage is super fun ... what?
You're right mage/rogue is what makes arena boring
After TBC I will never feel sorry for rogue/mage getting trashed by a OP comp.
And maybe in Wotlk u have same Comp in many Games but Retail every Class is the same so it dont matter what u fight
@@nexyo118 delusional lol.
@@nexyo118 yeah but it kinda ruined the game too because in the name of balancing they made it pointless to even choose a class essentially. However when one class is OP asf that’s pretty annoying too or to have 1 class that always beats u when you try to PvP them. Wotlk is much more balanced atleast u have a chance.
as much as i hated TBC RM and RMP at least it takes setup and coordination to do well. i hate wrath war/pal, dk/pal, and preg comps way more.
@@gg025 preg comps zug zug unless they're played at the very top level of skill, where the preg plays much closer to how holy plays. its kinda wild how different r1 pregs plays to us normal plebs
I assume your title is talking about the bullshit 15-20 second chain cc's that your team is able to do as mage/rogue?
skill issue
rm is one of the highest skill ceiling comps, chemistrical macro, calculating DRs, cooldowns, enemy cooldowns, trinkets, methodical thinking, reaction, knowing when to take opportunities, risks etc, playing off of eachother, peeling, the list goes on, no other comp has the chemistry needed in order to execute than rogue/mage, it is literally the two highest skill ceiling classes in wow history paired together, compare it to any cleave comp where its borderline ONLY pve rotation off cooldown
saying something is broken when the skill ceiling is so high is just flat out stupidity, and you definitely have zero idea about skill entry/skill cap, technicality, macro, and balancing within competitive gaming
@@sparda_ 🤓
@@max7971 good job proving to everyone that reads this thread all you’re capable of is a low iq input and not a genuine valid argument, touche 👍
@@max7971not an argument
L
This is what you feel when u play this game for 12h a day
i would stop feeling anything at that point.
Finding arena partners feels a lot harder than it did last year.
It's because wotlk arena is trash compared to tbc arena xd people don't enjoy playing it so they don't play it
@@Mammel248 Why is that?
@@Tucnacicek well for example I play sub Rogue with good gear (ulduar HM weapons, 40% ARP and with trinket proc 95% ARP) and I can kill a pvp geared mage in, no joke, 2 ambushes and 1 eviscerate.. warlocks and ele shamans kill people in 2 globals, if a warrior connects to your healer he will kill it in 10 seconds if your healer is a shaman or priest and there's so many more examples of how unbalanced wotlk pvp is
@@Mammel248 Ah, that sucks
@@Tucnacicek That is why you play 3v3 in arena. Plenty of options there.
hey whats the addon that shows how long someone is in CC for and whats showing your deminishing returns on top of name plates?
11:01 The shadowstep into gouge on paladin, sheep on warrior into dance on paladin *gasp*
nothing crazy bout it tbh, ita the base strats vs that comp, lol
if youre impressed by that you are hard stuck at like 1200 or something lol
Why discredit plus that seems fun sure it's low rated but who cares
@@PigmarDengar Those 2 guys/girls represents the reason why wow is ruined these days
virgin@@krispy3790
4:21 WTF Pshero showing a emotion besides sniff? unbelievable
wym? this guy is constantly depressed and miserable those are emotions
I don't get how you guys are coordinating these switches without voice chat. Amazing stuff
Still the mage broke blind in first game. Wasn't anything too crazy imo he largely waits stealth for mage to get poly on warr then opens
@@vaels5682 no he didn't, he got bopped
@@sdruba90 oh ur right, the nova didn't break it. Regardless, there are other points with blind break like in third game.
Thats the kind of thing where it's nice to be in voice to communicate it
By looking the DRs
I am confident they have voice chat. Pshero said "I need you to CS" and the mage counterspelled the paladin almost instantly.10:33
i think the fact that resto druid and resto shaman are irrelevent atm really brings down variability at the higher mmr's. hopefull in s2 something changes so you dont this pala and x-class every game. the burnout is totally understandable.
It will be r/m/p during the entire expansion
@@LowerYourExpectationsPleb rmp loses to spell cleave everytime lol
Once the healing legendary + haste continues to bump it will improve rdruid and rsham viability.
Kinda frustrating how they only released x patch with low effort. People had plenty of time to grind up OP classes,read paladin, because solved meta. Not even class rebalancing
Rls, lsp, thunder cleave>rmp
plays op pvp class during vanilla for years > plays private servers for years *complains about the same boring cleave groups*
its not him doing the titles
@@alexandrmakarov2368😂
that shadow dance kite onto paladin was sick, you've made that warrior leave
Funny thing how things change from one another. For me what makes arena extremely boring is fights going longer than 3-4 minutes, for example i hate 2v2 arena with healers, healers shouldn't be allowed in this shit, when i'm full BiS on my character and an 2v2 arena pops up with a healer i immediatly quit since i don't care about ratings and points...
Nowadays healers in 2v2 are so meta (back in the time it was quite rare to see a healer in 2v2) that i'm actually prefering going full BG for PvP.
I see nothing boring here 😂
Same.
Baffled he'd say this of WotlK but then enjoy Classic..
@@fistofram5526 he allways crying about every expansion, he doesnt like wow
Spellcleaves ? Replace spellcleaves with thundercleave and you got an accurate representation of modern wotlk arena tournaments
can some 1 tell me what´s the name of the war´s mount? 1:44
/spit
I really thought Wotlk was gonna be better based on the community hype... I started playing in Cataclysm so I wanted to play Wotlk as people said it was the best expansion ever... I leveled up my char to 80, did some dungeoning and Raiding, a few BGs and arenas... but sadly I got bored very quickly, I decided to give DF a chance as I hated Shadowlands and man I'm loving it... I'm having infinitely more fun in Dragonflight than I did in Wotlk.
Drago Flight is a great xpac. Some folks are just stuck in nostalgia and refuse to move on.
@@adobetube5558 Some are denialists and keep telling after every expansion "I like this expansion" and they quit after 3 months
Wait for 3.3.5 :/
WOTLK hasn't even started yet, the good raids and pvp are coming in P2+
@Tuomas R Yes, more classes become viable, so there is a lot less of seeing the same comps over and over
Maybe it's the fact that you have 30k hours and never touch grass, my guy.
Nah fam Wotlk arena has been one of the worst in terms of balancing and variety.
ok having to sit and wait for two minutes while they were in start like that was actually funny
Most of the time as non-stealthies its just waiting for the fucking rogue to actually open
@@gairtonplayspoorly5263 100%. Rogues are the worst
its not fun at all, always have to wait for cowards to do something
Mage/rogue is the biggest cancer in arena right now. No respect for rogue players tbh
Indeed playing Forever-CC-Cheese comp must be boring... try playing something where you have something else to do besides doing the same 4 CC in a row... yes, this is hard, because in case you fuck it up you can pray that the enemy fucks up too or else you are done... This is basically robot-check comp... if you can repeat the same thing over and over again you win... don't be surprised that it gets boring...
can you buy the weapons with 2v2 rating in wotlk classic?
Yes
Of course you are going to find it boring when you've only played 1 class for as long as you have and played the game for as many hours as you have xd
Hey bro what addons are u using ?
And how did you get your gladius ui to look like that
i was in phase 1 BIS within 1-2 week(s) of wrath classic, grinded my heart out, so ready to pvp, played against warr/hpal 95% of games, literal keyboard drool composition pve rotation = autowin, barely played over 200 arena games before quitting in p1 lol, id just hop on every now and then to duel people in the underbelly or an hour or two
What addon is that he uses like Gladius?
what were the paladin and warrior doing in the first game?????
Trying to bait opener from rogue.
Can somebody tell me what addon his arena unitframes are? For his enemies i mean. Is it gladdy or gladiusex? Or is it something else?
can't always be the OVERPOWERED comp that you want it to be
Can someone please tell me the addon pshere uses for the arena countdown before the gate opens
Stop complaining I’ve seen you run around an hide for 5 minutes over an over again
babes whats dr on name plates addon called? i need it so bad in my hole
hey guys, how does he setup his gladius like this?
pshero do you have a link to your spec?
this is how people feel against rogues in general.
Disarm works on feral druid? serious question xd
Yes
Hearing mage/rogue complain in arena is rich. But please continue, your tears sustain me.
Ah yes so rich since RM is OP in wotlk right? Lmao get a grip
@@Weavelol I played in WotlK. I rememeber when 50% if the entire 2v2 bracket was made up by rogues and priests. It was so much mage/rogue, rogue/priest and mage/priest. Mages and rogues have been OP in this game since 2004. How many bad season for rogues can you remember? You need to get a grip if you don't realize this, lmao.
@@hansbystrom9983 Ah now it all makes sense, you're basing your statement on your exp from the original wotlk. That's fair, but this video is on classic wotlk and if you actually play it, you'll see the meta is wildly different compared to back in the day, since people are now much better at the game and strats have evolved. I've played every season so far and almost reached glad range, the ques are 50% warpal , 40% is either disc/feral, rogue/disc (or sp) and dk/pala.
The remaining 10% is different comps. Now for RM specifically, there's max 1 or 2 RMs getting glad (not even r1) every season, and I face one about once in 150 games. Both rogues and mages have much better comps to play instead currently, as mages mostly play with sp (disc is kinda trash as mage lacks damage)
ironforge.pro/pvp/leaderboards/EU/2 This is a live ladder for wotlk classic, feel free to check it out if you think I'm talking nonsense
@@hansbystrom9983You didn't watch the video then? Or are you too stupid to comprehend what he says?
No voice?
Are you serious?
sick play man hilarious bit at the end
DUDE ARE YOU THE GUY FROM CATFISH? THE HOST!?
There is only one way to not be boring and demonstrate true skill. Play some other classes on this level of gameplay.... IF U CAN BRO
IMO rogues are one of those classes where if you can play it to a high level, you can play any other class to a high level.
You also run into the class design problems. Most likely if it isn’t on the top of the ladder. It’s because of balancing. There are plenty of people that play at rank 1 level. Each class has people of that skill level but the meta won’t let them compete in that meta
13:49 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 It’s so ironic, I wanted you to use slice & dice at this moment & soon after you did😂🤣😭🌊
I don't think you know the meaning of the word ironic lmao
where’s the irony in that
Irony: a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.
@@iN8k there's no irony in wanted an individual to do something and then they do it. You can't simply apply the back half of the definition and attempt to say it fits the definition.
The fact that you’re still harassiNg me, even though I’m correct, & you’re iNcorrectly attemptiNg to correct me, is proviNg your desper8ion to protect your ego@@MrXennon1
Where you can play at woltk ?? Now there is only cataclysm :(
@@enrynerd8150 this video is a year old
Pshero, what about trying mutilate in higher rankings? With one of your accounts.
"Pshero down to 6%, GG"
**Moments later**
"nvm"
BGs have always been my go to as a BM hunter. You can just obliterate people left to right.
that warrior was in my old guild. I tryed to talk to him many times. I even complimented him his rating. We always ignored me XD
It says online that Hpal and Armswar are the best, but i think its farily mid at best. Tbh your comp rogue mage should beat it everytime, only chance they have against you is gross misplays from your team.
it's one of the top comps when S8 comes out, but still I tihnk casters and rogue + spriest are gigabroken too. It's a fun expansion for me tbh, everything's cool except for shammy and resto healers in 2s.
if played absolutely perfectly i think DP + Feral is the best comp.
hey mr rogue ;D - Forsen is forcing trinkets with his Forsen cleave - but i didnt get it - what makes it boring? u win all the time? ^^
What server is he playing?
Can u share ur addons please?? Many addons for the ild wotlk are bugged for those whom play on bot oficial servers. Thanks a Lot
so is boring becouse u dont wanna play until YOU have the adventage to SAP????
@4:25 A prime example of "All Bark No Bite". LMAO!
You might be playing against some of the smartest players, I mean going out and having a rogue be able to stun you when he wants would be kinda dumb right?
Honestly what is boring is all the stun, sheep, snare, freeze, silence etc. Never understand how people could have fun playing this game. How fun.
Nice mage
Can kill another player in just a Cheap/Kidney and is complaining. Cry more.
when he plays the cheapest most annoying class and says arena is boring. People today need to stop complaining about everything.
rogue? the cheapest and most boring? you meant to write paladin here because rogue is hard as fuck to play, try it sometime and see for yourself.
@@Xxhermitxxrs you cheap shot, kidney and win. easy class.
@jake3922 maybe thats what ignorant pve dumbasses think but the reality is much different.
@@jake3922 That's vanilla, my dude. Those days are long gone.
What happened to all that paladin & warr op comp hype 👀 ?
rbh mage played in 1'st match as best as he could possibly play, from my perspective and understanding
why dont you play hunter
ah yes, warmane classic aka 2x human female arms holy tryhard combo :))))) i love arenas
bro send me the link for the dog clip please :D
Playing 2s comps that are dps+offhealer (Melee /w Caster), and playing MCH 3s comps: is fun.
Playing anything else is boring (double dps 2s without an offhealer, 2s with an healer, melee cleaves, caster cleaves)
says "This is what makes WOTLK arena boring" is it your face or what? i dont get it
why?
컨트롤 하는거 보면 진짜 찐 도적 틀이네 ㅋㅋ 정말 자연스럽다
I don't speak anime
Big true
@@uhjeff3651 basicaly a comment on how smooth and natural psheros movement is
watching rogues in 2s is what is boring lol
Lel someone didn’t roll rogue
@@jackcaffrey8493 Yes, because he isn't a coward
This glorious arena skin with tight rope and wonderful color for visibility. I hate blades edge.
can you share ur macros? youre so good
Rogue + Mage...yes that's boring
wotlk boring, but he play classic wow nice logic (and nice low mmr )
5:10
And what's funny about that is if you were relying on UA-cam guides you would of thought it was gonna be tsg teams. Good thing I didn't care and still rolled my fav class a druid anyways. I do not regret it one bit.
tsg gets more popular later with more resi
+ warriors are at the bottom of pve dps charts atm cos of low crit and armour pen just imagine what that’s going to be like in pvp when they’re pumping in pve lol
@@cbx01 Ever been on warmane? You are going to see 99% of the games vs shadowmourne warrior and holy paladin/disc priest
I just realized the usernames in the comments all have####s
Imagine playing rogue mage and complaining about arena being boring
arena is boring in general. world pvp ftw.
wut is that accent? sounds brazilian.
Bulgarian
Mage does 80% job here.
Dps one sure, rogue is more about control (here)
jfc I forgot how shit arena turned out
you should try mist of pandaria, the pvp is more balanced, in this shit expansion you practically die with only 3 hits
Playing rogue from wow classic till wotlk now till Data, is the boring factor
ppl swear this is better than retail too
doges trash talkin each other
this is what it looks like playing the same game twenty years of your life... look your face now
Your preferred 2s team not being as popular as youd like makes wotlk boring? xD. That streaming is prob the most boring thing of this, jkjk :p
its only boring for you because your not beating everyone with rogue/mage like in tbc. go to retail and boast about how good you are with OP rogues
Comment sections of ret mains, whining that they are not winning a class that has more than 4 buttons.
the team that beat you 2 times that you mentioned if you played with a shadowpriest by your side it was going to be different :) mage can't cant dispel the divine shield of the pala so priest is better plus the disarm
sh priest and rogue is super hard for warr + hpal, true
he was Wrong about spellcleaves winning it tho
plays it 12h a day still hasnt hit rank 1
Pala Heal and Warri --- classic
1st battle you almost died, lucky you !
Add magic dispell on a CD to all healers, and give priests their separate Purge to not cuck them from the new magic dispell CD. Maybe we will see more than just hpal/disc
This game and its changes already occurred mate
if i played a cowardly rogue like that i would be bored too lmao
But thats the idea of What "rogue" means, playing in the shadow 🤷♂️
Жалко че не работят в ретеила тия адони :( Иначе благодаря за видеото. Не виждам защо намираш арените в лича за скучни.
защото има много класи дето могат да го супукат от бой вече :Д и не му е толкова лесно, уарлоци, паладини и дкта в арените ще са му тварежни особено като играе с мейдж, вместо да си вземе някакъв съпорт дпс, шадоупирест, друид да речем
Mans playing rogue/mage complaining about OP comps.
Rm sucks lol
Having the same arena for 20 years makes me sick and loathsome feeling.
Resident whiner. Everything is boring for you in the game, why dont you go outside?
The dog clip lmao