Let's be honest. Traditionally it's tattoo trends that become popular with women that receive this sort of hate, and these tiny tattoos are no different. Tramp stamps, Ho handles, and now these sticker sleeves.
God, It's ironic how a big part of the tattoo community is so gatekeepey, closeminded and almost elitist. They reject new things, judge them and act exactly like the people who judge and stigmatise tattooed people as a whole. It's such a bad look for the other people who just want to share their love of tattoos and normalize it.
it’s this “I was borne in the wrong generation” bs that weirdos adopt when they get super defensive about other people wanting something new. like jeeeezzz brotha its not about u, people just want what they want
I just got my elbow done and my artist offered me lidocaine before shading it. For some reason I hesitated, then I said "fuck it, this hurts, why not". there's so much machismo stigma around tattooing. its dated, fuck em.
Not necessarily, there are couple of tattoos that will get your ass beat or worse, unless your earned them. Think of them like military service medals, but for criminals. Like technically all you need to do to wear a medial is buying it, but if you wear some of them without earning it, it ain't gonna end well. Just saying do your research before you "earn" your swastika tattoo, or something similar.
The thing I love about "sticker sleeves" is that you have infinite possibilities. You could get all the pieces tattooed by the same artist, or have a bunch of different artists each add one. You could get them all in the same style, or you could have many. It's so much more "flexible", in a way, as opposed to getting a full sleeve. Plus you get to take your sweet time planning the next one, so it's super exciting!
I’m slowly getting one. The goal is to have random line art that when I am bored or going to an event, I can colour it in with markers and change how they look whenever I want.
I totally agree! I’m currently building my left arm sleeve and it’s a patchwork done by many different artists with different styles where the leitmotiv is the colour scheme (sunset colours and black)
I'm not a fan of the modern patchwork sleeve look, but I would never comment on it because to each their own. It's honestly crazy how elitist the tattoo community is, considering that the very concept of the community is to bring together people who have unconventional looks and thus are often looked down upon by the average person. You'd think tattooed people would be the last ones to bring other tattooed people down for the type of tattoos they want on their bodies, but nope. The cycle is almost funny to me, because I used to be made fun of by older artists before because I have a bolder kind of patchwork sleeve (10+ tattoos), and to them the only acceptable kind is 2-3 big trad pieces; and now the generation of artists who were once made fun of that way is doing the same thing to a newer generation.
This woman obviously scrolled through her video comments to find something to create her next video. There is no "tattoo community" anymore. People just get tattoos.
I feel like the tattoo community has always been elitist. They always come off as so grumpy and not happy you’re even in their shop about to give them a lot of money. Tattoo artist like to think they scare people with their looks, but really they seem to have bad attitudes about everything related to tattoos. Tattoos are so common and for the most part accepted these days that you’re skull tattoo isn’t scaring anyone anymore. Like my dude, the real reason people might be turned off by you is because you’re an arrogant dick for no reason.
@@felix-ve8jk i don't necessarily think that's true and it's evident that there IS a tattoo community by countless online groups, forums, and conventions still being a thing. obviously there are still people who just get tattoos -- just like there's some people who play video games and there's still a gaming community. it can be harder, i think, to find the communities because of the added noise with people who just want tattoos, but that's fine. tattoo communities can exist alongside the outliers who just want tats.
I hate when people deem something as "bad" or whatever just because it isn't their personal preference or taste. I adore the look of patchwork sleeves, and haven't always been a huge fan of a sleeve that covers the entire arm. That's totally fine!! Tattoos are supposed to be a representation of personal expression and taste. 🤷♀️ IMO unless you are getting something offensive GET WHAT YOU WANT! It's your body.
Exactly. I'm patchworked. When tattoos cover all of the skin pretty solidly, my brain tricks me into thinking that person has an actual sleeve on and must be hot outside in summer. Because my brain does a dumb like that, I don't want those types of tattoos. I also have many interests and things I love and want and if I get lots of palm sized subject matter, I get more things I like on me
@@LisianthusbloomI have 2 patchwork sleeves too! But I honestly like it because I have a dad bod and I noticed bigger people like myself with cohesive sleeves it makes their arms look skinnier. For a long time I hated the patch work but now I’m glad I got it done
@@Lisianthusbloom exactly! Both styles are beautiful and there is absolutely no need to be judgmental. A collection of small tattoos is so cute, imo, especially if they are ollected over time when something special happened in a persons life, or when they were traveling or when they just got a spontaneous little tasty with a friend.. they tell a story and are fun to look at, just as big pieces are also amazing to look at. Both are nice.
i'll put a defense out there for sticker sleeves: Not everyone wants one artist or style dominating their whole arm. Sometimes it's nice to get smaller bits and pieces that slowly adds up. Like mentioned in the video, trends and styles change quickly. So if you're getting stickers slowly over time, it's kinda nice to see your arm or leg as a collection of styles/trends that reflect the time you got them! But maybe I also have this opinion because I work as an artist and have a hard time selecting one artist to be the the art style represented on my body.
My style is more traditional but I'm a collector and like to travel for like small/medium sized pieces from artists I follow all over the place. I could easily sit for a sleeve by one artist as one piece but that's not what I WANT. And that's not what these people getting sticker sleeves want either.
That would have merit if it wasn’t for 99% of these people getting these done get every single piece in the same style lol Also people have multiple artists work one sleeve and/or piece all the time so that options available either way
I've been a body piercer for over 6 years. I worked in a "traditional" tattoo shop with 5 men who have been tattooing for many years. There is definitely a huge bias against the "Pinterest" tattoos. The amount of times the guys would laugh at and make fun of clients behind their backs about them was pretty gross. These old school tattoo artists have such egos and want to gatekeep everything. Afew months ago, two women opened a shop near ours. They do hair, permanent makeup, microblading/tattooed eyebrows. The one owner who did the eyebrows moved onto slowly learning small fine line tattoos. (Which honestly seems a like a natural transition to me) The guys at my shop made fun of her so bad and said a lot of the things that were said in this video. Including how she never had a "real" apprenticeship (which in the industry, an old school apprenticeship is very expensive and the apprentice is usually hazed and abused truthfully) and how she wasn't even doing "real" tattoos. I have lots of respect for tattooing. I think the talent and dedication it takes to do some of the large pieces of art that people have, is just amazing. I also don't see anything wrong with getting smaller tattoos. Everyone is different and yes, tattoos aren't as "alternative" as they used to be. A lot more people get them and maybe don't want large pieces. I will say I'm not a fan of people getting large tattoos on their hands/neck/face unless they have a significant part of the rest of their body covered. But it's not my body. I could go on forever about this subject. But I did end up leaving the shop I was working at and going to pierce for the two women I spoke about who opened the other place. It's like a whole different world and my mental health is steadily improving. If people knew the things that are said and joked about in a lot of the traditional old school tattoo shops, they'd never go back there. And it wasn't just mine. I've guess spotted at many, and they are almost all the same. And will probably never grow. Meanwhile I love watching the woman I work for now, do these adorable little tattoos while she's also drawing and getting amazingly good at art. She's gonna blow those guys away one day and I hope they choke on the words they were saying. I'm not usually so mean but they have been horrible to me ever since I left and sending all of my clients I've had for years to other places saying I don't work at a "real" shop anymore and making up lies. Anyway. Get whatever tattoos you want and forget what anyone else thinks of them. Being a heavily tattooed woman in the early 2000s wasn't easy. People had a lot to say about it. I'd never want anyone else to feel the way I sometimes did from their words. I love that tattooing is becoming more mainstream. Let's not go backwards and make tattoos a reason to spread hate.
A friend and I went to go get our first tattoos when we were 18. We found this random tattoo place on the side of a highway (bc their minimum was the cheapest lol) and my friend got a tiny solar system on her wrist because she really identified with the space theme and wants to someday get a full space sleeve. The tattoo artist immediately made her feel bad about it “a little basic” and she’s felt shitty about it ever since :(
I got a tattoo this summer and I hated what the guys at the shop were saying. This one young tattooer was talking to another older tattooer about a woman's number he got the previous day. Apparently she was a stripper and they were going on and on about her hot body. Which is just creepy. Anyway, I appreciate your comment, I'm sorry your former co-workers are dicks, and I hope you're enjoying your new place of work.
Yeah like I loved getting tattooed by my artist when he had his own shop & it was just him, you couldn’t get in the place without him physically letting you in. Now he works in a studio with others & I just can’t bring myself to go there because it’s a load of men
these "traditionalists" are so obnoxious and their obsession with "being unique" while demanding other people limit their creative expression by following arbitrary rules and sticking to old styles is so hypocritical.
these people are hypocrits for sure, i mean they use the exact opposite arugment when hating on cyber siglism and more new age styles of tattooing in general, and then they go bang out the same american tradiational eagle they did 2 weeks ago for a different client
One could argue that this tiny tattoo is traditional, its the full sleeve or full body suit belongs to Japan ECT. But the Europeans had patchwork tattoos one here one there and is a travel through time.
@@TryingtoTellYou as many do. No Problem with feeling that way but saying this to a tattooed person when you're not asked does not do anything but potentially making someone feel bad. Not saying that you do that, but that is where I am coming from.
Yeah, those" fine line " tattoos are not meant to last long. They are small. The smaller you go, the more likely it is to get a mole on you. Get more color and bold tattoos. Like American traditional or realism. Something to last and something to earn
@@jasondeleon3182 U dont have to "Earn" a tattoo thats just a shitty outlook to have on other people and just seems like a way to big up ur own ego by putting a hierarchy for no reason. Let people have what they want if u dont like it dont comment on it 😆
Let’s be real, how many of us can afford a full sleeve done in one session anymore anyways. I personally don’t want to go around with a half done tattoo for 1-5 years, or until I can afford to get it worked on again. Smaller tattoos are the way to go in this economy
This and I like having a bunch of small pieces that each represent a little piece of me. I also have a problem deciding on just one thing to fill a whole arm 🤷🏻♀️
That's literally the point of a (traditional) patchwork sleeve. You collect artwork from different artists over YEARS. Gotta be creative in fitting them in together. She just puts 0815 mini stickers (way too far apart) on her arm. Good for her, but it's neither patchwork nor a sleeve
I don't think it's the lack of a full design sleeve, but rather the style of tattoos. I don't think anyone talks shit about "patchwork" if its traditional...in fact I'd say most people don't have custom one design sleeves, personally I prefer the patchwork way of doing (also cause I'm impatient and impulsive)
You don't have to get a full sleeve done at once though, and the smaller Pinterest ones are lacking any skill thats why people are judgy, you get what you pay for.
I think its ok to not like patchwork style but outwardly expressing hate for something that isn't even on your own body is unnecessary. I'm currently devoted to a Japanese bodysuit and completely immersed in the style, its storied history and overall aesthetic. Although I personally believe the Japanese style is aesthetically and conceptually superior to a style like patchwork, it doesn't suddenly make me a hater who's going to deliberately go out and criticize others. I wouldn't get it because I'm dedicated to another style, but all art is worth exploring, appreciating, and critiquing (nicely).
I love patchwork sleeves it's really adorable I don't have it technically because my tattoos are on my inner forearm but it definitely is cute, I personally don't like full sleeves on myself because to me it looks masculine but I don't care what others do with their tattoos it's on their body and they have every right to do whatever they like it's their preference I don't judge that would be crazy if I did.
@@EsmeraldaWolfsbane7777they’re actually really cool to see on someone. Also a sweet way for parents to wear their kids’ ‘silly sketches’ on their arms permanently. I think there’s definitely a crowd for patchwork and they don’t deserve to be ridiculed for getting what they like :)
@@10water I'm not a fan of patchwork tattoo, or fineline in general, but i always think its so cool whem parents pick a draw of their chidrem and tattoo it on skin, such a cool vibe.
I have nothing against patchwork sleeves but I prefer full sleeves as a personal preference I think patch work sleeves look like a scribbled on school desk. However I think people should be able to get either without being judged like I said it’s my person preference but I’m not gonna be rude to someone just because they have a patchwork one instead of a full sleeve there’s potential for both and as long as your happy with the outcome that’s what matters there’s always gonna be a person out there who’s gonna give looks or judges tattoos or not you do you
Sticker sleeve or patchwork seems like a great alternative to get art from multiple talented tattoo artists… at the end of the day, it’s my money, my body, my time🤷♀️
I wouldn't consider it a sleeve, only because sleeve means fully covered or like 80% tattooed, like the long sleeve of a shirt. I think the style is cute, is more 'sticker book' than 'patch work' and I think that fits the vibe for the people who like it. Nothing new with art theft though, that's plagued the industry for years now.🌹
Same. I kind of consider a sleeve a collection that turns into one piece. You get enough, close enough together I think your stickers turn into a sleeve. The 80% coverage I think you are right on about.
Yeah, sleeve as in the long sleeve of a shirt. You wouldnt stick a bunch of pieces of fabric on your arm and think its the same as a long sleeve shirt. If theyre patches that all go together then yea. And nothing wrong with the loose collection but it just cannot be classed as a sleeve
I think it just depends on the style of patchwork. I’d consider what I have a sleeve. It’s about 30-40 tattoos and the only big gap on my arm is the inside of my upper arm which I’m planning to get filled. My tattoos also aren’t considered fine line and they range from the size of a quarter to an open hand. Aesthetically it looks more like a traditional style patchwork sleeve bc of the thick lines and shading. It’s still a patchwork look just not as dainty as the “sticker” sleeves that were mentioned in the video. It really just depends on the overall look of the patchwork in my opinion
Yeah I understand the sentiment, but at the same time it does cover the sleeve part of their arm as much as that style realistically can. I don’t think anyone’s trying to equate it to a traditional sleeve in terms of time, effort, amount of ink, or pain. And even if they did I think the difference is visible enough that no one would believe it!
I'm currently getting a patchwork-sleeve and I love the style, especially with bigger and bolder tattoos (like on celle's left arm). Other commentators already mentioned some pros of the patchwork-style but I want to add that I love that my sleeve isn't finished in two x-hour-sessions - it is rather a journey of multiple years. And with every new tattoo I get excited. There is definitely too much hate and envy in tattoo-culture
So I absolutely hate the aesthetic of the patchwork sleeves. They just look so absurdly ugly to me. That being said, I think they still count as a sleeve if that's just the style of tattoo that the person wanted. And I totally agree with that lady's point about certain people in the tattoo community who are really just mad that tattoos are no longer edgy and that basically everyone gets them these days. They actually have to go get a personality outside of their tattoos now lol.
My first tattoo was a tiny water symbol of my wrist. I got it for religious reasons and I have had so many people tell me it doesn’t count as a real tattoo because it’s so small. Now that I have a large tattoo on my leg they ask me if I regret the tiny one and no I don’t, I love it just like I love my other two. Let people get what they like tattooed and leave your tastes out of it.
These videos really helped me realize how much the use of internet and technology had really changed the world in so many ways, including the tattoo industry. For me personally, I love dotwork tattoos/neotraditional, and i found myself financially in a place where "patchwork" sessions makes the most sense for affordability purposes. My chest tattoo, for example, is a full piece, but was done in 2 sessions, 3 hrs each. I plan on doing the same for my arm sleeve, which i have already started. I have a senior dog with special needs that is going to get my finances before my tattoo obsession does, and to each their own, but i am saying all of this because we are entering a generation that is so judgemental about so many things, to a point where people just enjoy being cynical, and it irritates me. Art is supposed to be fun. Why can't we enjoy tattoos together and be respectful of the art without "aesthetic" getting in the way, or having it be some sort of weird competition? The whole point of creative expression is to have fun. What happened to this culture?!
I use it as a derogatory description for a random collection of super cliché doodles.. The only thing worse IMO is text and quotes all over.. Who TF wants to walk around looking like the main character in 'Memento'?
As a tattoo artist I’ve never used the term Pinterest tattoo I call them tiny tattoos or fine-line or dainty or patch work, scatter style, depending on what it is. Just like traditional gets called cartoony there will always be opinionated people, we all need to remember to be kind to ourselves and one another.
I LOVE patchwork because you can piece tiny bits of your life, memories, hobbies and loves all into one area and create an entirely unique sleeve that could be done over the course of your entire life and if you dislike one it's easy to cover as opposed to a massive botch job. It reminds me of the projects I knit/crochet which are heartfelt. They also leave a lot of open skin if you don't want heavy coatings of ink and you can have many, many diverse artists tattoo you.
Tbh, it's no coincidence it's a style generally popular with women. This is how it always goes, unfortunately. You see a lot of the usual sentiments here, like how they're "basic". Why do people hate rose tattoos? Anything Pinterest related? Pumpkin spice? No reason, just things women are into, so they must be basic and worthless. I agree that people should just get whatever they want, it's their body at the end of the day. Who cares, as long as it's done safely? 🌹
This is such a weak argument. People give a load of hate for lion tattoos, pocket watch tattoos and greek themed tattoos, which are predominantly done on male customers. They call them the same thing; basic. The primary difference between these two is not sexism.
I think this hate is a proxy for misogyny, including internalized misogyny by pick-me girls. Excuse the generalization, but it tends to be women who get tiny fine-line tattoos and go on Pinterest. Dudes are becoming insecure about losing their perceived hegemony over tattoos and tattoo culture. Like you said, now dudes can no longer telegraph how "tough" or "countercultural" they are just by virtue of having tattoos so, in order to distinguish themselves, they have to attack the legitimacy of certain genres of tattoos and the people who get them. You see the same sort of thing happening with historically "male" interests like rock music, where if you have a band that women or girls tend to like (MCR comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others) there's a hate bandwagon consisting of self-professed "real" rock music connoisseurs. Ironically, if a woman/girl expresses an interest in what asshole neckbeards deem to be "real" rock music then they randomly quiz you on how many songs by that band you can name OR they treat you like a special unicorn and fetishize you against your wishes. But if you like stereotypically girly music, like boybands or Top 40, you also get shat on for being "basic". All you have to do is be a woman with interests for dudes to want to delegitimize you and knock you down a peg.
Men feel entitled to do so. I was a musician from the late '70's until about 2010 or so. In 1980 I was in a band, we had a rehearsal space we rented. We were the only band with females in it that used this space. There were men's and women's bathrooms. Invariably, when one of us girls would use the washroom, we'd either find the toilet seats taken away, or there would be a toilet seat, but it would be smeared with shit and hockers. Yep, men hate having their territory intruded on by girls/women. And they're little to no better about it today.
@@florato9387 Oh thanks. It just made us more determined. And also, we blew up the men's toilets with M-80's. So then they only had the ladies room to use. Amazing how clean it was kept after that!
For sure! I totally agree with what you are saying. Tattoos are becomming more wanted and I feel like that should be appreciated rather then shitting on styles/forms of tattoos an individual wouldn't personally prefer. Anyone can get any sort of tattoo they would like!
It’s crazy to me that these people who are heavily tattooed are typically the ones used to be prosecuted and made fun of, and treated differently because of their tattoos, and now they wanna do the same thing to other people? If you want people to not judge you for your appearance maybe don’t do it first?😅 I love alternative communities because they are usually more welcoming and accepting/less judgmental. people say they’re scared to go in the freaking hot topic because the people there look scary when they’re usually the least judgmental people in the mall because we know we’re different and we’re not trying to come after you for being different. That energy has left the room ig lmao 🌹
It's the same energy you get from nerds who used to be picked on and then when games went mainstream tried to gatekeep them from women and minorities. Hurt people hurt people and all that jazz.
Hot topic is literally a store that sells what's trendy, hence the name. I shop there too. There is nothing weird, different or special about it though. You look like a million other people and that's ok.
Wow I didn’t know there was such a stigma towards patchwork ink. That’s what I’ve been doing and I enjoy the journey of slowly filling up my canvas from different places from different inspo. Some designs took an hour and others took 4+. The next design I’m planning will take about 17 hours. Even so the length of the sessions are a moot point. It just boils down to preference at the end of the day. It’s a unique form of self expression and art and people should just chill tf out and mind their own.
I think one reason the sticker sleeve is so popular these days is financial. Getting a whole sleeve done by one artist can be a major investment and commitment. I think that makes a lot of people anxious, because what if an unexpected expense crops up after the work has started and you can't afford to finish it? I think fewer and fewer people can afford to drop a big chunk of $$$ on a single big tattoo. Getting a bunch of small ones isn't as risky.
But I think that's also half the reason people don't like them, like you wanna get a "sleeve" done real quick but don't wanna save up and wait and get a good original design? So you get cheap, generic, tiny, spaced out ones instead? People have been getting sleeves of trad tats for decades, not all from one artist, and they actually cover the arm. I can see why people think its like a quick, easy, cheap and safe fix, and you can really tell they're gonna be dated really soon
🌹 I think the "discrimination" she is facing in the beginning of the video is because she's calling it patchwork sleeve. Those terms mean very different things than what she has on her arm. The definition of sleeve, and patchwork sleeve mean alot more coverage than she actually has. If she called it sticker sleeve, people would be more forgiving. She doesn't have "sleeves" in my opinion, because sleeves have been defined as tattoos covering the whole area, as if you were wearing long sleeves... Celle has one sleeve, and on the other arm she has tattoos. I have no sleeves, I have arm tattoos. I have a leg sleeve in progress etc. Just because you have a few tattoos on that part of the body, doesn't mean the whole thing is a "sleeve." Patchwork and sticker are also very different terms that most people think are interchangeable. A majority of the tattoos in this video are sticker tattoos being called patchwork. There's nothing wrong with those, but the terminology difference is what most older tattooers have a problem with. They see it as an offense because those tattoos don't fit their definition of the words. I think a huge difference between sticker sleeves and patchwork sleeves are design size, and shading. You don't see alot of shading in sticker sleeves, and all the designs are usually under 2 inches. Patchwork is around 3-6 inches, and usually has some shading I myself have tattooed a sticker sleeve on someone. He had over 50 little quarter sized designs that we put all over his arm. It was pretty fun to do, but no where near as time consuming or labor intensive as a full sleeve of any other style.
She's not facing discrimination. She just gets comments on tattoo content TikTok videos she makes that don't align with her personal view. None of the comments shown were even discriminatory or rude. I have "patchwork" arm and leg sleeves because yeah, when I started it's much cheaper to get smaller pieces and build into a sleeve. It's the American traditional way. I think a lot of people who put themselves online the way that first girl does are just trying to cope with getting comments that aren't 100% agreeing with her outlook. These people aren't that knowledgeable about tattoos to begin with, but they want to be tattoo content creators.
@@felix-ve8jk I agree, it's not really discrimination. They are not being told to get to the back of the bus, or that they cannot use the same entrace than a person with a well done sleeve. They are just being judged/mocked for looking like the desk in the detention class and calling it a sleeve.
Discrimination was clearly the wrong word but the gatekeeping is fairly obvious. and getting hung up on definitions is silly because language changes, the small tattoo sleeve fits the definition of what "sleeve" the literal word means and it conveys the message well to people that don't know a lot about tattoos, that's all that matters. The "you gotta earn it crowd" are from the old school era and it's pure obnoxiousness. Nobody cares who has tattoos anymore, and nobody cares if you earned them and how time consuming or labor intensive they were.
@@katesperinck1401 as a tattoo artist myself, the definitions of what things are helps me to figure out that myself and the client are on the same page. Language definitely does change over time, but not overnight. As language develops it changes collective and culturally. Calling it a sticker sleeve would be accurate, but calling one tattoo on your arm doesn't make a sleeve. Not everything has to be a sleeve. Why can't she just have arm tattoos? Tattoo enthusiasts, such as myself, care about time and labor. I think its a connecting experience to talk about how much a tattoo sucked to get, or complain about spots that were painful. For some people tattoos are about the art, and for some they are the aesthetic
@@katesperinck1401 She scrolls through her comments and finds one so she can create a reaction video to it. She puts herself online, as she's a personal trainer and runs several social media accounts. Then at the end, she needed to make some snarky remarks about traditional artists, even though nobody who commented was anything like that. The "old school era" has never had a "you gotta earn it" mentality. Every time these kinds of videos pop up (and they are certainly abundant because people want to watch drama) there's always a straw man about the old school, traditional artists. Elevating a vocal minority comment section online is what perpetuates all this social media drama. The best thing is to ignore it, but how would she get even more followers and attention if she did that? Most *REAL* traditional artists do everything that comes in the door. They certainly do not care about doing a 10 minute outline for $100 shop minimum.
To me, a sleeve is an entire arm full of tattoos joint together, usually making them cohesive. A sleeve is not a part of American traditional tattooing. Sleeves are traditional to Japanese gangs and the tribes of South America, Asia, Pacific Islands, and maybe Africa etc. Patchwork and line tattoos are more my style, as I prefer the minimal look and they're easier to design, personalise, hide and remove. Americans criticising patchwork tattoos and flash tattoos when they've been a part of US/Americana culture (and many other cultures) for over a century now are ignorant of history and gatekeeping something that originated elsewhere and existed for millennias. Tattoos are not just a part of the metal/rock music subculture.
"easier to design, personalise, hide and remove" Come on! They're the same, done to death carbon copies of others designs as America trad. for example. And by saying hide and remove suggests to me that person probably shouldn't get a tattoo in the first place.
@@Larry_Mott If you watch her latest video about blackwork, you'd see even famous tattooists get their tattoos removed or covered up. The line tattoo I want is very personal to me and very unique, far from a copy of other designs, and it can only be done in line work. But I know there might be a time later in my life where I might become more religious or traditional, and line tattoos would be easier to remove in this case. It's called taking precaution. People change.
I personally don’t like this style but the beauty of tattooing is that there’s a huge variety of styles that people can choose from. There’s no need to put people down for their preference in style.🌹
My first tattoo was an 1x1” Pinterest tattoo. This was long before the trend and I didn’t get any negative comments about it. It took maybe 6 months for me to realize it’s not what I want on myself, and I had it covered. Tattoos are an art. Personally, I would rather have fewer large pieces that the artist, and myself, have spent time pouring details into. Stickers have their own art style and level of detail. There is nothing wrong with it, it’s just not for everyone. Large pieces make one statement, lots of little line work stickers make another. As long as they are done safely, both are valid.
I think a sleeve is more about coverage than style. There's so much space between her tattoos that I just wouldn't call it a sleeve. I like the look - I have a fine-line seagull in a couple clouds and one day I want more seagulls and clouds to join it. Getting one small 3.5" x 3.5" tattoo at a time is the only way I will be getting a tattoo because that's just the way I can afford it. However, I wouldn't call it a sleeve when there's so much space between the tattoos.
I’ve been in the industry for a looooong time. Around 20 years, I have no problem with patchwork. The thing I do have a problem with is the newer artist who are doing ones far to detailed for the size. A tattoo is about longevity. I could do a micro portrait make it look amazing at an inch or two. But in 6 months to a year it will look terrible. Some of the newer artist are amazing and do great small tattoos, and believe every client should get whatever they ask for. I don’t know if I’m explaining myself correctly, I don’t want to spread hate. I just want tattoos to last as long as they’re supposed to, forever.
Hey Celle, I stumbled upon your channel not long ago and I love your calm approach to these topics and how respectful you are to everyone in the community 🌹
I'm new tattoo artist in Brazil, and I use Pinterst a lot to research all kinds of things, from traditional or completely crazy tattoos to nature photos, illustrations and photos from all eras and all kinds of inspiration for art in general. People are greatly underestimating both the form of research and people's free will. Everyone is free to get the tattoo they want, you're the one who has to wear and like it. I think the diversity of tattoos that exist is really cool. Here in Brazil this is very mixed, but of course there will always be those who hate “non-tradition”... Beijos Celle, love your work and I’ve been following you for a long time
It's basically the same thing as when one generation thinks the younger generation's clothing style is silly except tattoos are permanent. I think the "tattoos aren't alt anymore" take is also spot on. When you get hate for something you tend to ride or die for it and gate keep it so them seeing the types of people who used to hate on them for tattoos start getting them but in a different style it feels personal. Just get tattoos you like because you like them and don't be an ass to people who have tattoos you don't like.
Having individual tattoos gradually filling your arm or wherever can be like a memory album taking you back to different times in your life … so enjoyable to look over, I could imagine. I myself don’t have that sort of sleeve, mine is all one pattern but not traditional at all (covered from collarbone/shoulder all the way down to my thumb in one botanical pattern … whatever would these artists say about that? It’s not patchwork, it’s not trad but done in one piece in one seven hour and one three hour session? If tattoos are supposed to be different and not Pinterest copies etc then why so negative to anything new? I’ve never seen anyone else with a sleeve like mine … is that ‘good’ or ‘ bad’ in their eyes?!
I love having patchwork sleeves to work on because it's like adding a new puzzle piece of self discovery art to your body. I also like collecting art from a different artist each time
Part of a bigger problem of people projecting their own opinions onto what they believe is acceptable for other people to do. Like patchwork isn't an aesthetic I personally want for myself, but if other people like it they should get it; it's their body, I hope it makes them happy.
🌹I actually only plan on getting patchwork for my legs and arms and my current tattoos are already set in place for that something I don't think gets brought up is that with patchwork you get a lot more of your skin showing thru than say a full blown image and that appeals to me
I have one tiny tattoo on my wrist. My husband (he has several including a full sleeve) and I went through a really tough situation together and we decided to get tattoos as a sort of catharsis. And it was cathartic. And I still love it. I don’t really care what anyone thinks. It was for me anyway 🤷🏻♀️ Also I got it at a traditional tattoo shop in CO and I’m sure the artist who did it may have thought it was lame but she gave zero indication of that. She was super chill, super sweet, and I had a really good time talking to her 😊
Honestly I'd love a channel fully dedicated to going to different tattoo parlors and flipping through their flashbooks. I'd never get a tattoo personally, but it's really cool to think of all the people past, present and future you'd be connected to who's had your same tattoo. Edit: personally I think they look really dainty and satisfying. Sometimes you don't want a giant dragon snarling at people on your wedding day, you know?
I think it would be really fun to find a bunch of strangers with the same flash tattoos. I got my first flash, all my other pieces are of my own art, and it would be super interesting to find a person Irl with the same flash
My first two tattoos were tiny tats. My first tattoo I got was IN Utah by an unregulated tattoo artist who was scamming other prospective tattoo artists. She even tried to convince me to sign up for this training after getting my first tattoo 🤦🏻♀️ It’s not my favorite tattoo style now, but my experience with tattooers with several years of experience (who weren’t tiny tatters) was WAY more comfortable than my first two tattoos.
The very first tattoo shop I went to I was insulted for wanting "a Pinterest tattoo" (a word on my wrist facing "backwards" so I could read it) and the artist was that classic old-school guy. He talked shit about me within earshot to me and to talked shit about me to other people. I didn't even know it was a 'Pinterest tattoo' at the time as I wouldn't use Pinterest for a few years after that. Needless to say I didn't get the tattoo and I didn't go back to that shop. Like what was I supposed to say? Sorry I wanted my first tattoo to be a small one so I could test the waters of tattoo pain? What the heck? It was a meaningful tattoo to me too but that didn't matter to him. This was around 5 or so years ago too. You'd think people would get over it by now XD There's nothing wrong with wanting smaller tattoos for whatever reason.
these sticker tattoos are not necessarily more affordable than say traditional tattoos. a lot, A LOT of small fine-line artists are taking advantage of the surge in these tattoos' popularity and charging clients exorbitant prices.
I am not tattooed, but I draw a lot, and I draw tattoos for people sometimes. I was interested in learning how to tattoo and asked some tattoo artists acquaintances how to get internship, how to get started etc. They had such a gatekeeping attitude and were so posh about it, it kind of grosses me out. Also, the fact that I didn't especially want any tattoo on me for now was apparently a big scandal. I tattooed a few people since then at parties with a tattoo machine, unregulated, and it was fun, they were happy with the designs, but it is not the same than to learn a craft I was really interested in. I'm socially very blunt, and it is very har for me to not say fuck off when something looks ridiculous to me so I abandoned the idea to find someone to teach me. I really need to respect my teacher and look up to them, that's a relationship I treasure. I don't think I could have that with someone from the tattooing world. At least not from what I saw until now. The holiness, the seriousness, the angst, the elitism of it, the way everyone gets offended so easily, ugh So many rules for something that was supposed to be so wild and personal...
Each tattoo I have has a meaning. They are unique to me and I have a story for each. That said, if I saw someone with a small tattoo (or tattoos) and they told me 'I just liked it (them), so I got it (them)', I have no issue with that. I wouldn't personally do that, but they are welcome to and all good. In some ways I am a bit jealous of those folks. I have a spot i want to fill up and it would be nice to just say 'that's cool and would look good here' and get it done. I fret over the deep meaning of everything I do, so why should my tattoos be any different. 😆
i would say this is about terminology. A sleeve is full coverage on your arm (or leg), a "patchwork" sleeve would be full coverage but separate images/styles, not one large tattoo such as on Celle's arm. having that much blank canvas does mean that she does not have a sleeve. and that's fine! it might be a sleeve in progress, but no, it is not a sleeve. YET!
🌹TW: violence, murder-suicide This really pisses me off. I’m 33, got my first tattoo three weeks ago - it’s a fine line tattoo that’s about three inches long. It’s an ogham tattoo that was on my best friends spine. She was stabbed to death and her body burned last year in a murder suicide by her husband. Maybe some people are getting a small, cute tattoo because they thought it looked nice and affordable. Or maybe they’re like me, where it means something. Either way, whether or not I “earned” my tattoo is none of anyone’s f***ing business. And sorry - let’s got even deeper than that. Tattoos were very different historically. So, if we want to get nitty gritty in “earning tattoos” maybe we should talk about cultural ramifications of tattooing to begin with. Such as the history of Wabori tattoos of Japan. Or facial tattoos of Africa. Or the tattoos of PI and Māori culture. Undergoing excruciating hours of needle fasten bamboo sticks and the like marking punishment or warrior status. If a tattoo artists or someone who has a tattoo wants to judge, maybe they should look in the mirror and ask themselves “did I really deserve this tattoo?” But that’s a whole other discussion.
Jesus that’s horrible, I’m sorry you lost your friend in such a horrific manner. I have a fine line tattoo that I got back in 2006 with my best friend at the time, we got matching Celtic line tattoos (who knew they’d become so scrutinized in 2023). But that friend is now also passed from suicide. People can be real superficial assholes. You will never know if or what kind of meaning a tattoo has to someone.. So maybe what it is shouldn’t matter as much as why it’s there.
I want a small-ish tattoo to symbolize some mental struggles I've been through with life. It'd be a pretty flower that I like and think would be a good reminder for me. I'm worried people will think I just want it bc it's cute, which while it is cute and I do like it for that reason, I also like it for the personal meaning it holds to me
as a non-american, im honestly kinda scared of americans. it's like we literally cant do anything there without getting hate, the gatekeeping culture is so big there its so mean and childish
I think there's way too many gatekeepers in the community. Artists either adapt or stay in their zone, either is fine. But to be so pissy about any other style than what they do is so small minded. Also, it's videos of them ripping on people/styles, keeping money from walking through their door and automatically shutting down what could be a cool person who really gets into ink, coming back again and again with something different in mind! P.S. So close to 80k subs!!!
I agree with you I feel discrimination is not the word for this like someone saying they don’t like your tattoos is not discrimination it’s very much a privileged standpoint to think that qualifies 😅 I have more conventional patchwork not sticker because I personally don’t like the full coverage look on me. “On me” being key there because people need to realise that it’s not your business what other people do (provided it’s not offensive) like it’s weird to me that people care so much when it’s none of their business. Also I find the “earned it” thing is so cringe and edgelord like you aren’t cool because you sat for longer and were in more pain. You went to a shop and paid someone for what you want just the same as those people like stop being corny it’s not some gauntlet lol. If it’s in regards to hands, face and neck that’s not an “earning” thing to me it’s more a needing to have a full understanding of how that changes your life thing.
🌹 I support people getting what they want! Everyone will have their opinions. Trying to see from all perspectives, maybe some artists see small tattoos as less worth the time/resources? I don't know what the ink and needles cost. And kind of like you said, so many have put so much time working on their technique to make incredible art and now they're getting asked for little works they wouldn't put on their portfolio. But everyone gets those projects!
There is something to be said about artists discouraging small tattoos though- if I hadn’t been talked out of my tiny rose tattoo when I was 19, I would definitely have regretted it, it would have looked dumb and aged terribly. It looked 900x better at the size the artist recommended to me. There’s just nice ways to go about telling people that (except the dumb part lol). Also, tattoo artists aren’t vending machines, they’re artists, and it’s 100% valid and their right to not attach their name to a tattoo if they don’t want to. They may not want to do a small tattoo that they know can’t be done to their best ability and will age terribly. They just need to be respectful and kind when communicating this, and it sounds like some of the time they aren’t unfortunately.
I've wanted to get more simple tattoos on my right wrist for years (ever since I got my second tattoo there back in '17-'18) and it wasn't until recently that I had finally been able to hold down a steady job and save up; but with how people are treating minimalist tattoos on the arm now with the whole _patchwork war_ I'm just scared of getting turned away for adding more that I've had planned to join my little wrist shark. I've always wanted tattoos ever since I was 6 and asked my mom why she had a "fishie and lizzie" (salt water angel fish and a gecko) on her legs and she explained to me that it was her "adult art". That you can choose from millions of things to have put there to express yourself and make you happy. That they can be colorful and bright or in gray and black with all sorts of neat styles. That day, I told her that when I was older I would have so many "adult arts" in black and colors, so I could have my own (what I called them) "Pretty Happy Pieces". And as soon as I was legally able to, my sister took me to get my first one. A three thumbprint heart with the words little sis on my left collarbone (ballsy placing for a first tat ik) while she and my other sister got them on the back of the shoulder (big sis) and forearm (middle sis) all matching. My point honestly, is If someone wants to sit and pay an artist to get small little tattoos and they can sit still and pay for the time and work; let them. People should really be used to things changing all the time now and I really struggle to comprehend why they can't understand that already. Thank you for covering this topic and looking at it from both sides again Celle 🌹
i love patchwork sleeves. these more delicate ones arent my style but they still look good. honestly i think the hate is mostly rooted in misogyny, small=feminine=bad kind of thing 🌹
Theres a tattoo school in dallas dfts that is inclusive, im disabled and was rejected from regular apprenticeshipd and this was my way in the industry, its a go at your own pace school, 3 days a week, i highly recommend, the teacher really cares with one on one teaching and gives us so many opportunities to make money and build a client base. Every day your in class your tattooing there is no hazing, strictly hygiene and art.
most of my tattoos are neotraditional because I'm paranoid about fine linework fading over time but i love the look of these "sticker sleeves!" totally makes sense for someone interested in more delicate or smaller designs. the haters are being sexist gatekeepers as always
idk I feel like an underrated plus to very small fine line tattoos is that you can keep a really cute/minimal sticker aesthetic for up to about 10ish years if it's done right, and then if you don't like it when/if the lines become faded and thicken from ink spread, you can cover them up and get a new sleeve on top of them pretty easily??? I'm a relatively small person, and there's so many tattoos I want tbh, but the idea of filling out my whole body and never having space for new tattoos again makes me kinda sad. 🥲I'm now tempted to try a sleeve in a similar tiny/fine line sticker style on maybe my other arm so that when I run out of space, I can just say goodbye to my old small tattoos and continue filling my body with fun art 🌹
I have a patchwork sleeve, well that's how it started, the pieces are super fun and nostalgic for me, but the lines are still a bit heavy, not like a sticker sleeve. Ive never had anyone criticize my tattoos ever, I get a lot of compliments honestly, mostly from female presenting ppl. edit: I def think its better to just get whatever you like tattooed, my tattoos are are meaningful to me, but some have a more deeper meaning than others..
I have plans for more traditional sleeves, but I also have patchwork/collector sleeves. I want to save up for a proper, fully cohesive sleeve because I like that aspect of the art. But the patchwork is a collection of different times in my life, memories, & experiences in different shops. The patchwork has helped me learn so much about what I truly want for those big investment pieces, make some mistakes with designs or artists, & experiment with stick-&-poke vs tattoo machines. I would much rather have that experience with a bunch of little pieces than a big one that I don’t totally love. I know tattoo artists who charge more for small little bangers, but that’s because it takes a lot of prep (design, sizing, placement), same time to prep their station, etc. Those needles, ink, & other materials are tossed out after whether it’s a tiny or big piece. There are many factors of the process that make small pieces more costly per hour of actual tattooing to the artist. I’ve gotten several little pieces done at once, too! It helps bring down the costs a lot. At the end of the day, if it’s not your ink, it’s not your problem.
You just saved me $10k and a headache. I didn’t know patchwork was the name of the style I liked and I was being quoted for 4 day sessions at $2-3k a day for a full connected tattoo
As someone who would never get any tattoos but appreciates the artistry, It sounds more like a cult than an industry when others enforce controls and limitations on someone else’s personal choice to adorn themselves as they wish. And especially because tattoo trends keep changing. For a while tribal was hot, now it’s not, so they were covering those up with blackwork. But now blackwork is becoming too common so that’s no longer esteemed and people are adding back color. Bottom line is they’re all trying to buy “cool” when that’s something you’re born with, or not.
This trend makes perfect sense, we are in a cost of living crisis and saving thousands for a big piece isn't possible for most. Plus it lends itself more to getting stick and pokes or smaller pieces from your apprentice friend. I never intended to go for a sticker tattoo aesthetic, I have big spaces I'm saving for larger pieces, I just haven't had the money for all but one of those yet. So vast majority of mine are smaller pieces from friends. And I love that. Little mementos from people from various stages in my life, who in some small ways helped shape my inside, also shaping my outside.
I see a lot of comments pointing out how it's another attack on things women enjoy and calling it "basic" compared next to manly interests. I'd like to add that there's also a level of how easy it is to attack the target (at least in their perception). My dad has what would be considered a patchwork sleeve. They're all cobbled together, have no cohesion, are thin lined and some look like they came from a coloring book. He also got all of them during his numerous prison sentences and looks like a mean SOB. I guarantee the people who feel comfortable going to these women and putting them down wouldn't say the same things to him even though he has several similar tats to the woman from the first video shown. It's all about who they view as "acceptable targets" 🙄
Hi! This is really interesting. I like how you explain things and look at both sides of the situation. You made some great points. Especially at the end of the day it's each persons choice and as long as they are getting tats safely it's fine. 🌹 So I'm actually LDS and I don't have any tattoo's but I find the art of it fascinating especially as an artist and I enjoy your videos. The one lady that was talking about us LDS people in Utah, I get what she was saying and agree it should be regulated. But I do have to point out she said that us LDS people are allowed to get tattoos now, um that actually isn't true. We still aren't really allowed to. Like it's our body we can do whatever but it's not recommended to get tattoos as a member for religious reasons but we welcome anyone that already have tattoo's. I have several friends that have tats. So yeah I felt I should point that out and I probably shouldn't of but anywho. Great video! I hope everyone have a fantastic day. ❤️
I think this tiktoker is misusing the term "patchwork" -- not to say that what she has on her arms can't be considered "patchwork," because it is, but to claim that there is "discrimination" in the community against people with patchwork is just.... not true. A vast, vast, vast majority of tattooed people have patchwork. When it comes to limb tattoos, you can either get a full, cohesive sleeve that is one big piece (typically half the arm, 3/4ths, or the full arm) -- something that requires a huge investment in money and time and is not very beginner-friendly -- or you have patchwork. Patchwork American Traditional is about as old school and respectable as it gets. Many, many tattoo artists are covered head to toe in patchwork. I think she's getting flak not for calling her work "patchwork" -- but specifically for calling it a "sleeve." I wouldn't consider her arms sleeved out at all. A sleeve means a very high degree of coverage... You can get there with patchwork, but it takes time. She has a shit ton of space on her arms still. She's got plenty of space to get more tattoos. If she fills all those gaps, then she's got a sleeve. It's not gatekeeping. Words have meaning. Having sparse, widely-spaced tattoos over one area of the body does not mean you have a sleeve and has never meant that. It's equivalent to someone saying they have a "backpiece" when they have a tiny flower on their shoulder blade. "Backpiece" implies a large area of coverage. I have multiple palm-sized tattoos on one arm. I tell people I am "working toward a patchwork sleeve" because I've still got a lot of space left that I intend to fill.
My artist and I are on the same page- just because someone wants tattoos I may not get or like, doesn't mean they're not worth that person having or valuable to tattoo (as an artist). He loves art, and he loves tattooing, so he will do just about whatever anyone wants, wherever they want it, as long as it makes them happy (within boundaries ofc). He's really good about having conversations about placement, longevity, being in the real-world with said tattoos, but if you hear all that and still want it, that's your choice and he'll make it happen. I don't know why people care so much about what is on other people's bodies.
okay 1st. LOVE your earrings. 2nd. i guess my right arm would be considered somewhat ‘patchwork’ so, obviously I like the style. just because someone doesn’t sit for 10 hours to get the last supper tattooed on their fucking asscheeks or whatever, doesn’t mean they’re basic and boring or lack creativity. and D. i finally remembered this time, i’m a real one 😁🤗 --> 🌹🌹
I think part of the problem is seeing ppl with tatoos as a community, the gatekeepers see sticker sleeve ppl as trying to infultrate their community instead of ppl just minding their own business and doing what they want with their own bodies. having tatoos doesnt necessarily put one in community with everyone else in the world who has one and mabey if more ppl internalized that there would be less of....this
Doing your tattoo shop research is so important. Not just when it comes to pricing and quality of their work, but the vibe check! I searched for years in my area for a shop that checked all three boxes, and I can honestly say it was so worth it. I LOVE my artist so much and the shop she works in. Their prices are great, their work is incredible, and they pass that vibe check with flying colors! The elitist, gakekeeping, incredibly judgemental mentality that, unfortunately, a large amount of tattoo artists have is something we just have to phase out ourselves by not supporting it. Once their money is being messed with, maybe then they will check themselves. As far as people judging other people's tattoo styles or placements, it's just a super annoying thing that comes with the territory. Like they say, "Opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one." The ONLY thing that matters is if YOU are happy with it. Period.
I don’t think it’s gatekeeping or hate on small tattoos but the idea that they call it a sleeve with so much space in between. I don’t understand how now of days people don’t understand they have more then one choice on their tattoo artist or costumers
If a shirt sleeve is entirely made out of lace or fishnets, it’s still a sleeve even with all the holes in it. It’s so odd to me that anyone would get their panties so twisted over what something is called
@@BreakofDawnyeah and most trad sleeves have lil gaps in, but they still MOSTLY cover the arm, if you have 5 lil patchwork tats it's not really covering much at all, they're just tats not a sleeve
I've seen plenty of super cute patchwork sleeves. As an apprentice the other apprentices and I have to do a lot of tattoos, I plan on having a half sleeve of patches and eventually unify them with some background work. I think doing some work that "unify" them can help aesthetically turn it into a sleeve but it's ridiculous for people to judge other people's tattoos so harshly in the first place.
These short tattoo courses and self taught tiny tatters are a product of the gatekeepers in the tattoo industry. If you’re a professional doing good clean work, do whatever you want, but tattooing is not a hobby or something to do on the side, it’s basically a medical procedure. Also i love your vids but thank god for 1.25x
I have 7 small/midsized tattoos. My first two tattoos were basic. My very first one was from Pinterest inspo. It is drawing by Picasso. I wouldn’t get it now but it had meaning for me back then. The tattoo artist quizzed me the entire time and now I realise that he pushed the needle in so deep that it’s still bumpy after 6 years. Gatekeeping is lame. I did not get tattoos “to be tattooed” I got them to commemorate things so this makes no sense to me.
I'm a big fan of more traditional tattoos, but I have no problem at all with this. People take all kinds of approaches to their tattoos, and I think that's a good thing. Old school tattoo designs were taken from all kinds of random places, and while it may not be everybody's style -- you could say that about a lot of the tattoo world. I'm on Team You-do-You. Thanks for sharing! 🌹
My only concern is that I feel like a lot of these tiny, fine-line tattoos are going to blur out or fade or whatever. But if they make you happy, and even if they don't stick around for a long time, get them. It's your body. You can do what you want with your body.
I absolutely despise little, fine-line tattoos that look like water tattoos that came in a bubble-gum package. That being said, I'm never going to invest time in telling others this. This is my aesthetic view and how I imagine my own work (big, bold and very in your face) for my own body. Do whatever you like. You have your own aesthetic, I have my own, let's be happy with our choices.
i'm planning on a full sleeve on one arm in the future, but the other arm is a work in progress of (currently 7) tattoos from different artists in different styles. i plan to fill the whole arm out over time, but i didn't go into getting tattooed planning that, so i'm sure it'll end up more patchwork than true sleeve. i've never had an artist give me a hard time for it (though i did have one artist diss the placement of another one of the tattoos, awkward!) but i also don't have those pinterest fine line tattoos (it's just not the style i'm into) so... other comments have mentioned it, but it's pretty obvious with the way some artists talk about those tattoos - and who they choose to criticize specifically - that their problem is with the women getting the tattoos, and the women doing the tattoos, and the fact that they don't like the style or the vibe or the placement is just an excuse to complain about the growing inclusivity of the tattoo industry and the diversity of tattoo styles.
Definitely not a new thing. Back in the day, a lot of people in the punk scene had tons of unrelated tats on their arms. I mean a lot of heavily tattooed people in the forties and fifties never had fully cohesive sleeves either. This "new" style literally brings me back to the eighties punk scene.
i just turned 18 this past week and went to get my first (machine) tattoo. it's flash, i saw it and i fell in love and immediately kind of knew i needed it, so... it's on my arm now. i love patchwork sleeves a lot because i think that, especially if you wait for like fun occasions etc, it can be a nice memory holder haha
Iv never understood why people want u to go through pain to “earn” the tattoo if u payed for something u don’t need to earn it. Why would u want anyone to be in pain !!
I didn't even know but I guess I'm building a patchwork sleeve? Eventhough my tattoos are not tiny but most are smaller. As you said it's cheaper to get smaller tattoos and also i wouldn't want to feel like I lost a whole arm of tattoo space on one tattoo tbh, I prefer to have multiple on that same space and get them over time when I feel like it. But I think here in Spain it's more common to get smaller tattoos, I also know so many people who got tattooed by friends at home or tattooed themselves, things are wild here I guess hahah. It's actually not super uncommon to go to artist you found on Instagram and who works at home as a side hustle. Some of them end up going on to working in studios later
"means they're basic and uncreative" sais the countless people with a Lion, Zeus, Tiger, Dragon, hourglass, wolf "what's that an hourglass with a skeleton and some generic quote? Niiiice never seen that before mate" 👍
I think the gatekeeping is because those of us who got tattoos in the 2010s and before were hard-core judged for having visible tattoos at all. We couldn't get jobs, we were looked at like we were drug addicts and degenerates unless it was 1 Christian tattoo or 2 a military tattoo. So they're a little butt hurt. It does suck to get older and watch things be easier for other people than they were before, but ultimately it means progress is being made. so wtf ever. As for "didn't earn it" I personally don't care what style you get, if you're going under anesthesia or getting high or drunk you kinda didn't earn it. It's one of the few kind of rights of passage we have left in modern industrialized countries where toughing it out gives you some pride and accomplishment idgaf if it's Kermit the frog or a full 1 sitting sleeve original artwork. People should stop avoiding the negative parts of life to get the good results pain free and easy. It's entitled.
I’ve got some great stories behind my patchwork sleeve tattoos..I think they look great spaced closely like mine..but if people want spaced out look it’s still cute..it does look better if ur heavily tattooed but I wouldn’t insult anyone’s style choice
the ironic thing is people will call the patchwork sleeve "basic and uncreative" while having the same flower and scales sleeve everyone else has. like no disrespect, i love me a traditional sleeve. but no one is original. all art is derivative. no ones tattoos are that unique. quit putting random people minding their own business (women mostly im noticing, hmmm) down to feel special
Let's be honest. Traditionally it's tattoo trends that become popular with women that receive this sort of hate, and these tiny tattoos are no different. Tramp stamps, Ho handles, and now these sticker sleeves.
exactly! anything seen as very feminine is what gets a lot of hate
Thank you!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you! I totally agree that it's a gendered issue.
This makes so much sense
yup
God, It's ironic how a big part of the tattoo community is so gatekeepey, closeminded and almost elitist. They reject new things, judge them and act exactly like the people who judge and stigmatise tattooed people as a whole. It's such a bad look for the other people who just want to share their love of tattoos and normalize it.
So true
This!!
Yeah it's cringe! People are individuals and can do whatever dafuq they wanna do. I'm just tatted, not part of no community
So true ! And some of these are quite nice
it’s this “I was borne in the wrong generation” bs that weirdos adopt when they get super defensive about other people wanting something new. like jeeeezzz brotha its not about u, people just want what they want
You know how you earn a tattoo? You PAY for it. That's literally all you need to do to earn a tattoo.
Either with money or a life of crime I suppose
You also need to sit through it and care for it while it heals. It's not just monetary, you pay in blood.
I just got my elbow done and my artist offered me lidocaine before shading it. For some reason I hesitated, then I said "fuck it, this hurts, why not". there's so much machismo stigma around tattooing. its dated, fuck em.
Not necessarily, there are couple of tattoos that will get your ass beat or worse, unless your earned them. Think of them like military service medals, but for criminals. Like technically all you need to do to wear a medial is buying it, but if you wear some of them without earning it, it ain't gonna end well.
Just saying do your research before you "earn" your swastika tattoo, or something similar.
@@jackoo666I’d rather call it masochism than machismo, given toxic tattooed people’s obsession with pain 🤣
The thing I love about "sticker sleeves" is that you have infinite possibilities. You could get all the pieces tattooed by the same artist, or have a bunch of different artists each add one. You could get them all in the same style, or you could have many. It's so much more "flexible", in a way, as opposed to getting a full sleeve. Plus you get to take your sweet time planning the next one, so it's super exciting!
Such a nice point
I’m slowly getting one.
The goal is to have random line art that when I am bored or going to an event, I can colour it in with markers and change how they look whenever I want.
i saw someone getting one tattoo in each country they travelled to working towards a sleeve which is such a fun idea
It reminds me of the guy who shared tattoos with strangers he met before he passed from terminal cancer. Always makes me teary.
I totally agree! I’m currently building my left arm sleeve and it’s a patchwork done by many different artists with different styles where the leitmotiv is the colour scheme (sunset colours and black)
I'm not a fan of the modern patchwork sleeve look, but I would never comment on it because to each their own. It's honestly crazy how elitist the tattoo community is, considering that the very concept of the community is to bring together people who have unconventional looks and thus are often looked down upon by the average person. You'd think tattooed people would be the last ones to bring other tattooed people down for the type of tattoos they want on their bodies, but nope. The cycle is almost funny to me, because I used to be made fun of by older artists before because I have a bolder kind of patchwork sleeve (10+ tattoos), and to them the only acceptable kind is 2-3 big trad pieces; and now the generation of artists who were once made fun of that way is doing the same thing to a newer generation.
❤ love this comment
This woman obviously scrolled through her video comments to find something to create her next video. There is no "tattoo community" anymore. People just get tattoos.
"I would never comment on it" - proceeds to comment on it 💀
I feel like the tattoo community has always been elitist. They always come off as so grumpy and not happy you’re even in their shop about to give them a lot of money. Tattoo artist like to think they scare people with their looks, but really they seem to have bad attitudes about everything related to tattoos. Tattoos are so common and for the most part accepted these days that you’re skull tattoo isn’t scaring anyone anymore. Like my dude, the real reason people might be turned off by you is because you’re an arrogant dick for no reason.
@@felix-ve8jk i don't necessarily think that's true and it's evident that there IS a tattoo community by countless online groups, forums, and conventions still being a thing. obviously there are still people who just get tattoos -- just like there's some people who play video games and there's still a gaming community.
it can be harder, i think, to find the communities because of the added noise with people who just want tattoos, but that's fine. tattoo communities can exist alongside the outliers who just want tats.
I hate when people deem something as "bad" or whatever just because it isn't their personal preference or taste. I adore the look of patchwork sleeves, and haven't always been a huge fan of a sleeve that covers the entire arm. That's totally fine!! Tattoos are supposed to be a representation of personal expression and taste. 🤷♀️ IMO unless you are getting something offensive GET WHAT YOU WANT! It's your body.
I have two patchwork sleeves and I have a full back tattoo that covers the majority of my back. Love them all equally and they make me so happy! ❤
Totally agree 💯 it's what you like that matters no one should be judging someone elses tattoo that's just ridiculous!!
Exactly. I'm patchworked. When tattoos cover all of the skin pretty solidly, my brain tricks me into thinking that person has an actual sleeve on and must be hot outside in summer. Because my brain does a dumb like that, I don't want those types of tattoos. I also have many interests and things I love and want and if I get lots of palm sized subject matter, I get more things I like on me
@@LisianthusbloomI have 2 patchwork sleeves too! But I honestly like it because I have a dad bod and I noticed bigger people like myself with cohesive sleeves it makes their arms look skinnier. For a long time I hated the patch work but now I’m glad I got it done
@@Lisianthusbloom exactly! Both styles are beautiful and there is absolutely no need to be judgmental.
A collection of small tattoos is so cute, imo, especially if they are ollected over time when something special happened in a persons life, or when they were traveling or when they just got a spontaneous little tasty with a friend.. they tell a story and are fun to look at, just as big pieces are also amazing to look at. Both are nice.
i'll put a defense out there for sticker sleeves: Not everyone wants one artist or style dominating their whole arm. Sometimes it's nice to get smaller bits and pieces that slowly adds up. Like mentioned in the video, trends and styles change quickly. So if you're getting stickers slowly over time, it's kinda nice to see your arm or leg as a collection of styles/trends that reflect the time you got them!
But maybe I also have this opinion because I work as an artist and have a hard time selecting one artist to be the the art style represented on my body.
tbh i don't think a regular sleeve needs to be by the same artist or even the same style either
My style is more traditional but I'm a collector and like to travel for like small/medium sized pieces from artists I follow all over the place. I could easily sit for a sleeve by one artist as one piece but that's not what I WANT. And that's not what these people getting sticker sleeves want either.
That would have merit if it wasn’t for 99% of these people getting these done get every single piece in the same style lol
Also people have multiple artists work one sleeve and/or piece all the time so that options available either way
I've been a body piercer for over 6 years. I worked in a "traditional" tattoo shop with 5 men who have been tattooing for many years. There is definitely a huge bias against the "Pinterest" tattoos. The amount of times the guys would laugh at and make fun of clients behind their backs about them was pretty gross. These old school tattoo artists have such egos and want to gatekeep everything.
Afew months ago, two women opened a shop near ours. They do hair, permanent makeup, microblading/tattooed eyebrows. The one owner who did the eyebrows moved onto slowly learning small fine line tattoos. (Which honestly seems a like a natural transition to me)
The guys at my shop made fun of her so bad and said a lot of the things that were said in this video. Including how she never had a "real" apprenticeship (which in the industry, an old school apprenticeship is very expensive and the apprentice is usually hazed and abused truthfully) and how she wasn't even doing "real" tattoos.
I have lots of respect for tattooing. I think the talent and dedication it takes to do some of the large pieces of art that people have, is just amazing.
I also don't see anything wrong with getting smaller tattoos. Everyone is different and yes, tattoos aren't as "alternative" as they used to be. A lot more people get them and maybe don't want large pieces.
I will say I'm not a fan of people getting large tattoos on their hands/neck/face unless they have a significant part of the rest of their body covered. But it's not my body.
I could go on forever about this subject. But I did end up leaving the shop I was working at and going to pierce for the two women I spoke about who opened the other place. It's like a whole different world and my mental health is steadily improving. If people knew the things that are said and joked about in a lot of the traditional old school tattoo shops, they'd never go back there. And it wasn't just mine. I've guess spotted at many, and they are almost all the same. And will probably never grow. Meanwhile I love watching the woman I work for now, do these adorable little tattoos while she's also drawing and getting amazingly good at art. She's gonna blow those guys away one day and I hope they choke on the words they were saying. I'm not usually so mean but they have been horrible to me ever since I left and sending all of my clients I've had for years to other places saying I don't work at a "real" shop anymore and making up lies.
Anyway. Get whatever tattoos you want and forget what anyone else thinks of them. Being a heavily tattooed woman in the early 2000s wasn't easy. People had a lot to say about it. I'd never want anyone else to feel the way I sometimes did from their words. I love that tattooing is becoming more mainstream. Let's not go backwards and make tattoos a reason to spread hate.
I love your comment! You are very kind! ❤😊
loved this response, can relate to it a lot
A friend and I went to go get our first tattoos when we were 18. We found this random tattoo place on the side of a highway (bc their minimum was the cheapest lol) and my friend got a tiny solar system on her wrist because she really identified with the space theme and wants to someday get a full space sleeve. The tattoo artist immediately made her feel bad about it “a little basic” and she’s felt shitty about it ever since :(
I got a tattoo this summer and I hated what the guys at the shop were saying. This one young tattooer was talking to another older tattooer about a woman's number he got the previous day. Apparently she was a stripper and they were going on and on about her hot body. Which is just creepy.
Anyway, I appreciate your comment, I'm sorry your former co-workers are dicks, and I hope you're enjoying your new place of work.
Yeah like I loved getting tattooed by my artist when he had his own shop & it was just him, you couldn’t get in the place without him physically letting you in. Now he works in a studio with others & I just can’t bring myself to go there because it’s a load of men
these "traditionalists" are so obnoxious and their obsession with "being unique" while demanding other people limit their creative expression by following arbitrary rules and sticking to old styles is so hypocritical.
these people are hypocrits for sure, i mean they use the exact opposite arugment when hating on cyber siglism and more new age styles of tattooing in general, and then they go bang out the same american tradiational eagle they did 2 weeks ago for a different client
One could argue that this tiny tattoo is traditional, its the full sleeve or full body suit belongs to Japan ECT. But the Europeans had patchwork tattoos one here one there and is a travel through time.
@@jaccar2020 Who is ETC? disprespectful to lump a group of people into etc while you are being self-righteous.
I think commenting negatively on somebodys tattoo is a no go. Somebody made a permanent choice and wanting them to regret this is so cruel!
Tattoos are honestly kind of cringe
To each their own. Personally, I don't think tattoos are flattering.
@@TryingtoTellYou as many do. No Problem with feeling that way but saying this to a tattooed person when you're not asked does not do anything but potentially making someone feel bad. Not saying that you do that, but that is where I am coming from.
Yeah, those" fine line " tattoos are not meant to last long. They are small. The smaller you go, the more likely it is to get a mole on you. Get more color and bold tattoos. Like American traditional or realism. Something to last and something to earn
@@jasondeleon3182 U dont have to "Earn" a tattoo thats just a shitty outlook to have on other people and just seems like a way to big up ur own ego by putting a hierarchy for no reason. Let people have what they want if u dont like it dont comment on it 😆
Let’s be real, how many of us can afford a full sleeve done in one session anymore anyways. I personally don’t want to go around with a half done tattoo for 1-5 years, or until I can afford to get it worked on again. Smaller tattoos are the way to go in this economy
That's one of my reasons why I am going for a patchwork sleeve myself
This and I like having a bunch of small pieces that each represent a little piece of me. I also have a problem deciding on just one thing to fill a whole arm 🤷🏻♀️
That's literally the point of a (traditional) patchwork sleeve. You collect artwork from different artists over YEARS. Gotta be creative in fitting them in together. She just puts 0815 mini stickers (way too far apart) on her arm. Good for her, but it's neither patchwork nor a sleeve
I don't think it's the lack of a full design sleeve, but rather the style of tattoos. I don't think anyone talks shit about "patchwork" if its traditional...in fact I'd say most people don't have custom one design sleeves, personally I prefer the patchwork way of doing (also cause I'm impatient and impulsive)
You don't have to get a full sleeve done at once though, and the smaller Pinterest ones are lacking any skill thats why people are judgy, you get what you pay for.
I think its ok to not like patchwork style but outwardly expressing hate for something that isn't even on your own body is unnecessary. I'm currently devoted to a Japanese bodysuit and completely immersed in the style, its storied history and overall aesthetic. Although I personally believe the Japanese style is aesthetically and conceptually superior to a style like patchwork, it doesn't suddenly make me a hater who's going to deliberately go out and criticize others. I wouldn't get it because I'm dedicated to another style, but all art is worth exploring, appreciating, and critiquing (nicely).
I love patchwork sleeves it's really adorable I don't have it technically because my tattoos are on my inner forearm but it definitely is cute, I personally don't like full sleeves on myself because to me it looks masculine but I don't care what others do with their tattoos it's on their body and they have every right to do whatever they like it's their preference I don't judge that would be crazy if I did.
@@EsmeraldaWolfsbane7777they’re actually really cool to see on someone. Also a sweet way for parents to wear their kids’ ‘silly sketches’ on their arms permanently. I think there’s definitely a crowd for patchwork and they don’t deserve to be ridiculed for getting what they like :)
@@10water I'm not a fan of patchwork tattoo, or fineline in general, but i always think its so cool whem parents pick a draw of their chidrem and tattoo it on skin, such a cool vibe.
I have nothing against patchwork sleeves but I prefer full sleeves as a personal preference I think patch work sleeves look like a scribbled on school desk. However I think people should be able to get either without being judged like I said it’s my person preference but I’m not gonna be rude to someone just because they have a patchwork one instead of a full sleeve there’s potential for both and as long as your happy with the outcome that’s what matters there’s always gonna be a person out there who’s gonna give looks or judges tattoos or not you do you
Sticker sleeve or patchwork seems like a great alternative to get art from multiple talented tattoo artists… at the end of the day, it’s my money, my body, my time🤷♀️
I wouldn't consider it a sleeve, only because sleeve means fully covered or like 80% tattooed, like the long sleeve of a shirt. I think the style is cute, is more 'sticker book' than 'patch work' and I think that fits the vibe for the people who like it. Nothing new with art theft though, that's plagued the industry for years now.🌹
Same. I kind of consider a sleeve a collection that turns into one piece. You get enough, close enough together I think your stickers turn into a sleeve. The 80% coverage I think you are right on about.
Yeah, sleeve as in the long sleeve of a shirt. You wouldnt stick a bunch of pieces of fabric on your arm and think its the same as a long sleeve shirt. If theyre patches that all go together then yea. And nothing wrong with the loose collection but it just cannot be classed as a sleeve
I think it just depends on the style of patchwork. I’d consider what I have a sleeve. It’s about 30-40 tattoos and the only big gap on my arm is the inside of my upper arm which I’m planning to get filled. My tattoos also aren’t considered fine line and they range from the size of a quarter to an open hand. Aesthetically it looks more like a traditional style patchwork sleeve bc of the thick lines and shading. It’s still a patchwork look just not as dainty as the “sticker” sleeves that were mentioned in the video. It really just depends on the overall look of the patchwork in my opinion
Yeah I understand the sentiment, but at the same time it does cover the sleeve part of their arm as much as that style realistically can. I don’t think anyone’s trying to equate it to a traditional sleeve in terms of time, effort, amount of ink, or pain. And even if they did I think the difference is visible enough that no one would believe it!
I'm currently getting a patchwork-sleeve and I love the style, especially with bigger and bolder tattoos (like on celle's left arm). Other commentators already mentioned some pros of the patchwork-style but I want to add that I love that my sleeve isn't finished in two x-hour-sessions - it is rather a journey of multiple years. And with every new tattoo I get excited.
There is definitely too much hate and envy in tattoo-culture
Most sleeves are a multi-year journey anyway. I like that the patchwork style like that gives you the option to go to as many artists as you want.
So I absolutely hate the aesthetic of the patchwork sleeves. They just look so absurdly ugly to me. That being said, I think they still count as a sleeve if that's just the style of tattoo that the person wanted. And I totally agree with that lady's point about certain people in the tattoo community who are really just mad that tattoos are no longer edgy and that basically everyone gets them these days. They actually have to go get a personality outside of their tattoos now lol.
My first tattoo was a tiny water symbol of my wrist. I got it for religious reasons and I have had so many people tell me it doesn’t count as a real tattoo because it’s so small. Now that I have a large tattoo on my leg they ask me if I regret the tiny one and no I don’t, I love it just like I love my other two.
Let people get what they like tattooed and leave your tastes out of it.
Lets just leave people alone....its weird to see other artists judge people when we are literally the epitome of self expression and art 🌹
These videos really helped me realize how much the use of internet and technology had really changed the world in so many ways, including the tattoo industry. For me personally, I love dotwork tattoos/neotraditional, and i found myself financially in a place where "patchwork" sessions makes the most sense for affordability purposes. My chest tattoo, for example, is a full piece, but was done in 2 sessions, 3 hrs each. I plan on doing the same for my arm sleeve, which i have already started. I have a senior dog with special needs that is going to get my finances before my tattoo obsession does, and to each their own, but i am saying all of this because we are entering a generation that is so judgemental about so many things, to a point where people just enjoy being cynical, and it irritates me. Art is supposed to be fun. Why can't we enjoy tattoos together and be respectful of the art without "aesthetic" getting in the way, or having it be some sort of weird competition? The whole point of creative expression is to have fun. What happened to this culture?!
The term “sticker sleeve” is honestly so cute I love it
I use it as a derogatory description for a random collection of super cliché doodles.. The only thing worse IMO is text and quotes all over.. Who TF wants to walk around looking like the main character in 'Memento'?
Love your profile pic and also ignoring the hater who commented here. Guess he missed the msg in the video.
As a tattoo artist I’ve never used the term Pinterest tattoo I call them tiny tattoos or fine-line or dainty or patch work, scatter style, depending on what it is. Just like traditional gets called cartoony there will always be opinionated people, we all need to remember to be kind to ourselves and one another.
I LOVE patchwork because you can piece tiny bits of your life, memories, hobbies and loves all into one area and create an entirely unique sleeve that could be done over the course of your entire life and if you dislike one it's easy to cover as opposed to a massive botch job. It reminds me of the projects I knit/crochet which are heartfelt. They also leave a lot of open skin if you don't want heavy coatings of ink and you can have many, many diverse artists tattoo you.
Tbh, it's no coincidence it's a style generally popular with women. This is how it always goes, unfortunately. You see a lot of the usual sentiments here, like how they're "basic". Why do people hate rose tattoos? Anything Pinterest related? Pumpkin spice? No reason, just things women are into, so they must be basic and worthless.
I agree that people should just get whatever they want, it's their body at the end of the day. Who cares, as long as it's done safely? 🌹
IMO roses are deemed a classic piece 🤭
So true!
Where I live the tattoo shop here alot of men get the patchwork.
This is such a weak argument. People give a load of hate for lion tattoos, pocket watch tattoos and greek themed tattoos, which are predominantly done on male customers. They call them the same thing; basic. The primary difference between these two is not sexism.
HOW DARE WOMEN!!!
I think this hate is a proxy for misogyny, including internalized misogyny by pick-me girls. Excuse the generalization, but it tends to be women who get tiny fine-line tattoos and go on Pinterest. Dudes are becoming insecure about losing their perceived hegemony over tattoos and tattoo culture. Like you said, now dudes can no longer telegraph how "tough" or "countercultural" they are just by virtue of having tattoos so, in order to distinguish themselves, they have to attack the legitimacy of certain genres of tattoos and the people who get them.
You see the same sort of thing happening with historically "male" interests like rock music, where if you have a band that women or girls tend to like (MCR comes to mind, but I'm sure there are others) there's a hate bandwagon consisting of self-professed "real" rock music connoisseurs. Ironically, if a woman/girl expresses an interest in what asshole neckbeards deem to be "real" rock music then they randomly quiz you on how many songs by that band you can name OR they treat you like a special unicorn and fetishize you against your wishes. But if you like stereotypically girly music, like boybands or Top 40, you also get shat on for being "basic".
All you have to do is be a woman with interests for dudes to want to delegitimize you and knock you down a peg.
BINGO
Men feel entitled to do so. I was a musician from the late '70's until about 2010 or so. In 1980 I was in a band, we had a rehearsal space we rented. We were the only band with females in it that used this space. There were men's and women's bathrooms. Invariably, when one of us girls would use the washroom, we'd either find the toilet seats taken away, or there would be a toilet seat, but it would be smeared with shit and hockers. Yep, men hate having their territory intruded on by girls/women. And they're little to no better about it today.
@@aprilkurtz1589 Ugh that sucks. Sorry you had to go through that! Glad you persevered.
@@florato9387 Oh thanks. It just made us more determined. And also, we blew up the men's toilets with M-80's. So then they only had the ladies room to use. Amazing how clean it was kept after that!
@@aprilkurtz1589 LOL!!! Iconic
For sure! I totally agree with what you are saying. Tattoos are becomming more wanted and I feel like that should be appreciated rather then shitting on styles/forms of tattoos an individual wouldn't personally prefer. Anyone can get any sort of tattoo they would like!
It’s crazy to me that these people who are heavily tattooed are typically the ones used to be prosecuted and made fun of, and treated differently because of their tattoos, and now they wanna do the same thing to other people? If you want people to not judge you for your appearance maybe don’t do it first?😅 I love alternative communities because they are usually more welcoming and accepting/less judgmental. people say they’re scared to go in the freaking hot topic because the people there look scary when they’re usually the least judgmental people in the mall because we know we’re different and we’re not trying to come after you for being different. That energy has left the room ig lmao 🌹
It's the same energy you get from nerds who used to be picked on and then when games went mainstream tried to gatekeep them from women and minorities. Hurt people hurt people and all that jazz.
@@strayiggytv that's not what happened at all
Hot topic is literally a store that sells what's trendy, hence the name. I shop there too. There is nothing weird, different or special about it though. You look like a million other people and that's ok.
If you don't like a tattoo trend...don't get tattoos in that trend 🤷♀🌹
Wow I didn’t know there was such a stigma towards patchwork ink. That’s what I’ve been doing and I enjoy the journey of slowly filling up my canvas from different places from different inspo. Some designs took an hour and others took 4+. The next design I’m planning will take about 17 hours. Even so the length of the sessions are a moot point. It just boils down to preference at the end of the day. It’s a unique form of self expression and art and people should just chill tf out and mind their own.
Same here
So happy to hear your conversation with Lynn coming through in this video! Proud of you for being open to learning more and growing!
I think one reason the sticker sleeve is so popular these days is financial. Getting a whole sleeve done by one artist can be a major investment and commitment. I think that makes a lot of people anxious, because what if an unexpected expense crops up after the work has started and you can't afford to finish it? I think fewer and fewer people can afford to drop a big chunk of $$$ on a single big tattoo. Getting a bunch of small ones isn't as risky.
Yeah, and a lot of the hate has more to do with classism against people who can't afford a full sleeve, rather than the tattoos themselves.
But I think that's also half the reason people don't like them, like you wanna get a "sleeve" done real quick but don't wanna save up and wait and get a good original design? So you get cheap, generic, tiny, spaced out ones instead? People have been getting sleeves of trad tats for decades, not all from one artist, and they actually cover the arm. I can see why people think its like a quick, easy, cheap and safe fix, and you can really tell they're gonna be dated really soon
🌹 I think the "discrimination" she is facing in the beginning of the video is because she's calling it patchwork sleeve. Those terms mean very different things than what she has on her arm. The definition of sleeve, and patchwork sleeve mean alot more coverage than she actually has. If she called it sticker sleeve, people would be more forgiving. She doesn't have "sleeves" in my opinion, because sleeves have been defined as tattoos covering the whole area, as if you were wearing long sleeves... Celle has one sleeve, and on the other arm she has tattoos. I have no sleeves, I have arm tattoos. I have a leg sleeve in progress etc. Just because you have a few tattoos on that part of the body, doesn't mean the whole thing is a "sleeve."
Patchwork and sticker are also very different terms that most people think are interchangeable. A majority of the tattoos in this video are sticker tattoos being called patchwork. There's nothing wrong with those, but the terminology difference is what most older tattooers have a problem with. They see it as an offense because those tattoos don't fit their definition of the words.
I think a huge difference between sticker sleeves and patchwork sleeves are design size, and shading. You don't see alot of shading in sticker sleeves, and all the designs are usually under 2 inches. Patchwork is around 3-6 inches, and usually has some shading
I myself have tattooed a sticker sleeve on someone. He had over 50 little quarter sized designs that we put all over his arm. It was pretty fun to do, but no where near as time consuming or labor intensive as a full sleeve of any other style.
She's not facing discrimination. She just gets comments on tattoo content TikTok videos she makes that don't align with her personal view. None of the comments shown were even discriminatory or rude. I have "patchwork" arm and leg sleeves because yeah, when I started it's much cheaper to get smaller pieces and build into a sleeve. It's the American traditional way. I think a lot of people who put themselves online the way that first girl does are just trying to cope with getting comments that aren't 100% agreeing with her outlook. These people aren't that knowledgeable about tattoos to begin with, but they want to be tattoo content creators.
@@felix-ve8jk I agree, it's not really discrimination. They are not being told to get to the back of the bus, or that they cannot use the same entrace than a person with a well done sleeve. They are just being judged/mocked for looking like the desk in the detention class and calling it a sleeve.
Discrimination was clearly the wrong word but the gatekeeping is fairly obvious. and getting hung up on definitions is silly because language changes, the small tattoo sleeve fits the definition of what "sleeve" the literal word means and it conveys the message well to people that don't know a lot about tattoos, that's all that matters. The "you gotta earn it crowd" are from the old school era and it's pure obnoxiousness. Nobody cares who has tattoos anymore, and nobody cares if you earned them and how time consuming or labor intensive they were.
@@katesperinck1401 as a tattoo artist myself, the definitions of what things are helps me to figure out that myself and the client are on the same page. Language definitely does change over time, but not overnight. As language develops it changes collective and culturally. Calling it a sticker sleeve would be accurate, but calling one tattoo on your arm doesn't make a sleeve. Not everything has to be a sleeve. Why can't she just have arm tattoos?
Tattoo enthusiasts, such as myself, care about time and labor. I think its a connecting experience to talk about how much a tattoo sucked to get, or complain about spots that were painful. For some people tattoos are about the art, and for some they are the aesthetic
@@katesperinck1401 She scrolls through her comments and finds one so she can create a reaction video to it. She puts herself online, as she's a personal trainer and runs several social media accounts. Then at the end, she needed to make some snarky remarks about traditional artists, even though nobody who commented was anything like that. The "old school era" has never had a "you gotta earn it" mentality. Every time these kinds of videos pop up (and they are certainly abundant because people want to watch drama) there's always a straw man about the old school, traditional artists. Elevating a vocal minority comment section online is what perpetuates all this social media drama. The best thing is to ignore it, but how would she get even more followers and attention if she did that?
Most *REAL* traditional artists do everything that comes in the door. They certainly do not care about doing a 10 minute outline for $100 shop minimum.
To me, a sleeve is an entire arm full of tattoos joint together, usually making them cohesive. A sleeve is not a part of American traditional tattooing. Sleeves are traditional to Japanese gangs and the tribes of South America, Asia, Pacific Islands, and maybe Africa etc. Patchwork and line tattoos are more my style, as I prefer the minimal look and they're easier to design, personalise, hide and remove. Americans criticising patchwork tattoos and flash tattoos when they've been a part of US/Americana culture (and many other cultures) for over a century now are ignorant of history and gatekeeping something that originated elsewhere and existed for millennias. Tattoos are not just a part of the metal/rock music subculture.
"easier to design, personalise, hide and remove" Come on! They're the same, done to death carbon copies of others designs as America trad. for example. And by saying hide and remove suggests to me that person probably shouldn't get a tattoo in the first place.
@@Larry_Mott If you watch her latest video about blackwork, you'd see even famous tattooists get their tattoos removed or covered up. The line tattoo I want is very personal to me and very unique, far from a copy of other designs, and it can only be done in line work. But I know there might be a time later in my life where I might become more religious or traditional, and line tattoos would be easier to remove in this case. It's called taking precaution. People change.
I personally don’t like this style but the beauty of tattooing is that there’s a huge variety of styles that people can choose from. There’s no need to put people down for their preference in style.🌹
My first tattoo was an 1x1” Pinterest tattoo. This was long before the trend and I didn’t get any negative comments about it. It took maybe 6 months for me to realize it’s not what I want on myself, and I had it covered.
Tattoos are an art. Personally, I would rather have fewer large pieces that the artist, and myself, have spent time pouring details into. Stickers have their own art style and level of detail. There is nothing wrong with it, it’s just not for everyone.
Large pieces make one statement, lots of little line work stickers make another. As long as they are done safely, both are valid.
I think a sleeve is more about coverage than style. There's so much space between her tattoos that I just wouldn't call it a sleeve. I like the look - I have a fine-line seagull in a couple clouds and one day I want more seagulls and clouds to join it. Getting one small 3.5" x 3.5" tattoo at a time is the only way I will be getting a tattoo because that's just the way I can afford it. However, I wouldn't call it a sleeve when there's so much space between the tattoos.
I’ve been in the industry for a looooong time. Around 20 years, I have no problem with patchwork. The thing I do have a problem with is the newer artist who are doing ones far to detailed for the size. A tattoo is about longevity. I could do a micro portrait make it look amazing at an inch or two. But in 6 months to a year it will look terrible. Some of the newer artist are amazing and do great small tattoos, and believe every client should get whatever they ask for. I don’t know if I’m explaining myself correctly, I don’t want to spread hate. I just want tattoos to last as long as they’re supposed to, forever.
Hey Celle, I stumbled upon your channel not long ago and I love your calm approach to these topics and how respectful you are to everyone in the community 🌹
I'm new tattoo artist in Brazil, and I use Pinterst a lot to research all kinds of things, from traditional or completely crazy tattoos to nature photos, illustrations and photos from all eras and all kinds of inspiration for art in general.
People are greatly underestimating both the form of research and people's free will. Everyone is free to get the tattoo they want, you're the one who has to wear and like it. I think the diversity of tattoos that exist is really cool. Here in Brazil this is very mixed, but of course there will always be those who hate “non-tradition”...
Beijos Celle, love your work and I’ve been following you for a long time
It's basically the same thing as when one generation thinks the younger generation's clothing style is silly except tattoos are permanent. I think the "tattoos aren't alt anymore" take is also spot on. When you get hate for something you tend to ride or die for it and gate keep it so them seeing the types of people who used to hate on them for tattoos start getting them but in a different style it feels personal. Just get tattoos you like because you like them and don't be an ass to people who have tattoos you don't like.
“that’s not a sleeve, THIS is a sleeve” the late 20s man says, flashing the person his hyper realistic lion tattoo that takes up his entire arm
Having individual tattoos gradually filling your arm or wherever can be like a memory album taking you back to different times in your life … so enjoyable to look over, I could imagine. I myself don’t have that sort of sleeve, mine is all one pattern but not traditional at all (covered from collarbone/shoulder all the way down to my thumb in one botanical pattern … whatever would these artists say about that? It’s not patchwork, it’s not trad but done in one piece in one seven hour and one three hour session? If tattoos are supposed to be different and not Pinterest copies etc then why so negative to anything new? I’ve never seen anyone else with a sleeve like mine … is that ‘good’ or ‘ bad’ in their eyes?!
Your style is your own - nobody else's business, but "discrimination" is too strong of a word I agree...
I love having patchwork sleeves to work on because it's like adding a new puzzle piece of self discovery art to your body. I also like collecting art from a different artist each time
Part of a bigger problem of people projecting their own opinions onto what they believe is acceptable for other people to do. Like patchwork isn't an aesthetic I personally want for myself, but if other people like it they should get it; it's their body, I hope it makes them happy.
🌹I actually only plan on getting patchwork for my legs and arms and my current tattoos are already set in place for that something I don't think gets brought up is that with patchwork you get a lot more of your skin showing thru than say a full blown image and that appeals to me
You look so stunning in all black! It’s off topic but definitely suits you so well
I have one tiny tattoo on my wrist. My husband (he has several including a full sleeve) and I went through a really tough situation together and we decided to get tattoos as a sort of catharsis. And it was cathartic. And I still love it. I don’t really care what anyone thinks. It was for me anyway 🤷🏻♀️
Also I got it at a traditional tattoo shop in CO and I’m sure the artist who did it may have thought it was lame but she gave zero indication of that. She was super chill, super sweet, and I had a really good time talking to her 😊
Honestly I'd love a channel fully dedicated to going to different tattoo parlors and flipping through their flashbooks. I'd never get a tattoo personally, but it's really cool to think of all the people past, present and future you'd be connected to who's had your same tattoo. Edit: personally I think they look really dainty and satisfying. Sometimes you don't want a giant dragon snarling at people on your wedding day, you know?
Not really, a snarling dragon at my wedding actually sounds pretty cool.
I think it would be really fun to find a bunch of strangers with the same flash tattoos. I got my first flash, all my other pieces are of my own art, and it would be super interesting to find a person Irl with the same flash
My first two tattoos were tiny tats. My first tattoo I got was IN Utah by an unregulated tattoo artist who was scamming other prospective tattoo artists. She even tried to convince me to sign up for this training after getting my first tattoo 🤦🏻♀️ It’s not my favorite tattoo style now, but my experience with tattooers with several years of experience (who weren’t tiny tatters) was WAY more comfortable than my first two tattoos.
The very first tattoo shop I went to I was insulted for wanting "a Pinterest tattoo" (a word on my wrist facing "backwards" so I could read it) and the artist was that classic old-school guy. He talked shit about me within earshot to me and to talked shit about me to other people. I didn't even know it was a 'Pinterest tattoo' at the time as I wouldn't use Pinterest for a few years after that. Needless to say I didn't get the tattoo and I didn't go back to that shop.
Like what was I supposed to say? Sorry I wanted my first tattoo to be a small one so I could test the waters of tattoo pain? What the heck? It was a meaningful tattoo to me too but that didn't matter to him. This was around 5 or so years ago too. You'd think people would get over it by now XD There's nothing wrong with wanting smaller tattoos for whatever reason.
these sticker tattoos are not necessarily more affordable than say traditional tattoos. a lot, A LOT of small fine-line artists are taking advantage of the surge in these tattoos' popularity and charging clients exorbitant prices.
I am not tattooed, but I draw a lot, and I draw tattoos for people sometimes. I was interested in learning how to tattoo and asked some tattoo artists acquaintances how to get internship, how to get started etc. They had such a gatekeeping attitude and were so posh about it, it kind of grosses me out. Also, the fact that I didn't especially want any tattoo on me for now was apparently a big scandal.
I tattooed a few people since then at parties with a tattoo machine, unregulated, and it was fun, they were happy with the designs, but it is not the same than to learn a craft I was really interested in.
I'm socially very blunt, and it is very har for me to not say fuck off when something looks ridiculous to me so I abandoned the idea to find someone to teach me. I really need to respect my teacher and look up to them, that's a relationship I treasure. I don't think I could have that with someone from the tattooing world. At least not from what I saw until now.
The holiness, the seriousness, the angst, the elitism of it, the way everyone gets offended so easily, ugh
So many rules for something that was supposed to be so wild and personal...
Each tattoo I have has a meaning. They are unique to me and I have a story for each. That said, if I saw someone with a small tattoo (or tattoos) and they told me 'I just liked it (them), so I got it (them)', I have no issue with that. I wouldn't personally do that, but they are welcome to and all good. In some ways I am a bit jealous of those folks. I have a spot i want to fill up and it would be nice to just say 'that's cool and would look good here' and get it done. I fret over the deep meaning of everything I do, so why should my tattoos be any different. 😆
i would say this is about terminology. A sleeve is full coverage on your arm (or leg), a "patchwork" sleeve would be full coverage but separate images/styles, not one large tattoo such as on Celle's arm. having that much blank canvas does mean that she does not have a sleeve. and that's fine! it might be a sleeve in progress, but no, it is not a sleeve. YET!
🌹TW: violence, murder-suicide
This really pisses me off. I’m 33, got my first tattoo three weeks ago - it’s a fine line tattoo that’s about three inches long. It’s an ogham tattoo that was on my best friends spine. She was stabbed to death and her body burned last year in a murder suicide by her husband.
Maybe some people are getting a small, cute tattoo because they thought it looked nice and affordable. Or maybe they’re like me, where it means something. Either way, whether or not I “earned” my tattoo is none of anyone’s f***ing business.
And sorry - let’s got even deeper than that. Tattoos were very different historically. So, if we want to get nitty gritty in “earning tattoos” maybe we should talk about cultural ramifications of tattooing to begin with. Such as the history of Wabori tattoos of Japan. Or facial tattoos of Africa. Or the tattoos of PI and Māori culture.
Undergoing excruciating hours of needle fasten bamboo sticks and the like marking punishment or warrior status. If a tattoo artists or someone who has a tattoo wants to judge, maybe they should look in the mirror and ask themselves “did I really deserve this tattoo?” But that’s a whole other discussion.
Jesus that’s horrible, I’m sorry you lost your friend in such a horrific manner.
I have a fine line tattoo that I got back in 2006 with my best friend at the time, we got matching Celtic line tattoos (who knew they’d become so scrutinized in 2023). But that friend is now also passed from suicide.
People can be real superficial assholes.
You will never know if or what kind of meaning a tattoo has to someone.. So maybe what it is shouldn’t matter as much as why it’s there.
Oh god :( I’m so sorry :( ! I can’t even imagine
I’m so sorry about your friend 😢I think your tattoo sounds like a beautiful homage to her ❤
I want a small-ish tattoo to symbolize some mental struggles I've been through with life. It'd be a pretty flower that I like and think would be a good reminder for me. I'm worried people will think I just want it bc it's cute, which while it is cute and I do like it for that reason, I also like it for the personal meaning it holds to me
as a non-american, im honestly kinda scared of americans. it's like we literally cant do anything there without getting hate, the gatekeeping culture is so big there its so mean and childish
Lol, big scary Americans ❤️🤍💙🇺🇸
@@yesterdayseyes as I said mean and childish
I think there's way too many gatekeepers in the community. Artists either adapt or stay in their zone, either is fine. But to be so pissy about any other style than what they do is so small minded. Also, it's videos of them ripping on people/styles, keeping money from walking through their door and automatically shutting down what could be a cool person who really gets into ink, coming back again and again with something different in mind! P.S. So close to 80k subs!!!
Love seeing that you seem to have gotten so much work done now that you're working as an apprentice! It's been cool to follow your journey.🙏
I agree with you I feel discrimination is not the word for this like someone saying they don’t like your tattoos is not discrimination it’s very much a privileged standpoint to think that qualifies 😅 I have more conventional patchwork not sticker because I personally don’t like the full coverage look on me. “On me” being key there because people need to realise that it’s not your business what other people do (provided it’s not offensive) like it’s weird to me that people care so much when it’s none of their business. Also I find the “earned it” thing is so cringe and edgelord like you aren’t cool because you sat for longer and were in more pain. You went to a shop and paid someone for what you want just the same as those people like stop being corny it’s not some gauntlet lol. If it’s in regards to hands, face and neck that’s not an “earning” thing to me it’s more a needing to have a full understanding of how that changes your life thing.
🌹 I support people getting what they want! Everyone will have their opinions. Trying to see from all perspectives, maybe some artists see small tattoos as less worth the time/resources? I don't know what the ink and needles cost. And kind of like you said, so many have put so much time working on their technique to make incredible art and now they're getting asked for little works they wouldn't put on their portfolio. But everyone gets those projects!
There is something to be said about artists discouraging small tattoos though- if I hadn’t been talked out of my tiny rose tattoo when I was 19, I would definitely have regretted it, it would have looked dumb and aged terribly. It looked 900x better at the size the artist recommended to me. There’s just nice ways to go about telling people that (except the dumb part lol). Also, tattoo artists aren’t vending machines, they’re artists, and it’s 100% valid and their right to not attach their name to a tattoo if they don’t want to. They may not want to do a small tattoo that they know can’t be done to their best ability and will age terribly. They just need to be respectful and kind when communicating this, and it sounds like some of the time they aren’t unfortunately.
I've wanted to get more simple tattoos on my right wrist for years (ever since I got my second tattoo there back in '17-'18) and it wasn't until recently that I had finally been able to hold down a steady job and save up; but with how people are treating minimalist tattoos on the arm now with the whole _patchwork war_ I'm just scared of getting turned away for adding more that I've had planned to join my little wrist shark.
I've always wanted tattoos ever since I was 6 and asked my mom why she had a "fishie and lizzie" (salt water angel fish and a gecko) on her legs and she explained to me that it was her "adult art". That you can choose from millions of things to have put there to express yourself and make you happy. That they can be colorful and bright or in gray and black with all sorts of neat styles.
That day, I told her that when I was older I would have so many "adult arts" in black and colors, so I could have my own (what I called them) "Pretty Happy Pieces".
And as soon as I was legally able to, my sister took me to get my first one. A three thumbprint heart with the words little sis on my left collarbone (ballsy placing for a first tat ik) while she and my other sister got them on the back of the shoulder (big sis) and forearm (middle sis) all matching.
My point honestly, is If someone wants to sit and pay an artist to get small little tattoos and they can sit still and pay for the time and work; let them. People should really be used to things changing all the time now and I really struggle to comprehend why they can't understand that already. Thank you for covering this topic and looking at it from both sides again Celle 🌹
i love patchwork sleeves. these more delicate ones arent my style but they still look good. honestly i think the hate is mostly rooted in misogyny, small=feminine=bad kind of thing 🌹
Theres a tattoo school in dallas dfts that is inclusive, im disabled and was rejected from regular apprenticeshipd and this was my way in the industry, its a go at your own pace school, 3 days a week, i highly recommend, the teacher really cares with one on one teaching and gives us so many opportunities to make money and build a client base. Every day your in class your tattooing there is no hazing, strictly hygiene and art.
most of my tattoos are neotraditional because I'm paranoid about fine linework fading over time but i love the look of these "sticker sleeves!" totally makes sense for someone interested in more delicate or smaller designs. the haters are being sexist gatekeepers as always
idk I feel like an underrated plus to very small fine line tattoos is that you can keep a really cute/minimal sticker aesthetic for up to about 10ish years if it's done right, and then if you don't like it when/if the lines become faded and thicken from ink spread, you can cover them up and get a new sleeve on top of them pretty easily??? I'm a relatively small person, and there's so many tattoos I want tbh, but the idea of filling out my whole body and never having space for new tattoos again makes me kinda sad. 🥲I'm now tempted to try a sleeve in a similar tiny/fine line sticker style on maybe my other arm so that when I run out of space, I can just say goodbye to my old small tattoos and continue filling my body with fun art 🌹
I have a patchwork sleeve, well that's how it started, the pieces are super fun and nostalgic for me, but the lines are still a bit heavy, not like a sticker sleeve. Ive never had anyone criticize my tattoos ever, I get a lot of compliments honestly, mostly from female presenting ppl.
edit: I def think its better to just get whatever you like tattooed, my tattoos are are meaningful to me, but some have a more deeper meaning than others..
I have plans for more traditional sleeves, but I also have patchwork/collector sleeves. I want to save up for a proper, fully cohesive sleeve because I like that aspect of the art. But the patchwork is a collection of different times in my life, memories, & experiences in different shops. The patchwork has helped me learn so much about what I truly want for those big investment pieces, make some mistakes with designs or artists, & experiment with stick-&-poke vs tattoo machines. I would much rather have that experience with a bunch of little pieces than a big one that I don’t totally love.
I know tattoo artists who charge more for small little bangers, but that’s because it takes a lot of prep (design, sizing, placement), same time to prep their station, etc. Those needles, ink, & other materials are tossed out after whether it’s a tiny or big piece. There are many factors of the process that make small pieces more costly per hour of actual tattooing to the artist.
I’ve gotten several little pieces done at once, too! It helps bring down the costs a lot.
At the end of the day, if it’s not your ink, it’s not your problem.
You just saved me $10k and a headache. I didn’t know patchwork was the name of the style I liked and I was being quoted for 4 day sessions at $2-3k a day for a full connected tattoo
As someone who would never get any tattoos but appreciates the artistry, It sounds more like a cult than an industry when others enforce controls and limitations on someone else’s personal choice to adorn themselves as they wish. And especially because tattoo trends keep changing. For a while tribal was hot, now it’s not, so they were covering those up with blackwork. But now blackwork is becoming too common so that’s no longer esteemed and people are adding back color. Bottom line is they’re all trying to buy “cool” when that’s something you’re born with, or not.
This trend makes perfect sense, we are in a cost of living crisis and saving thousands for a big piece isn't possible for most. Plus it lends itself more to getting stick and pokes or smaller pieces from your apprentice friend. I never intended to go for a sticker tattoo aesthetic, I have big spaces I'm saving for larger pieces, I just haven't had the money for all but one of those yet. So vast majority of mine are smaller pieces from friends. And I love that. Little mementos from people from various stages in my life, who in some small ways helped shape my inside, also shaping my outside.
I see a lot of comments pointing out how it's another attack on things women enjoy and calling it "basic" compared next to manly interests. I'd like to add that there's also a level of how easy it is to attack the target (at least in their perception). My dad has what would be considered a patchwork sleeve. They're all cobbled together, have no cohesion, are thin lined and some look like they came from a coloring book. He also got all of them during his numerous prison sentences and looks like a mean SOB. I guarantee the people who feel comfortable going to these women and putting them down wouldn't say the same things to him even though he has several similar tats to the woman from the first video shown.
It's all about who they view as "acceptable targets" 🙄
Hi! This is really interesting. I like how you explain things and look at both sides of the situation. You made some great points. Especially at the end of the day it's each persons choice and as long as they are getting tats safely it's fine. 🌹 So I'm actually LDS and I don't have any tattoo's but I find the art of it fascinating especially as an artist and I enjoy your videos. The one lady that was talking about us LDS people in Utah, I get what she was saying and agree it should be regulated. But I do have to point out she said that us LDS people are allowed to get tattoos now, um that actually isn't true. We still aren't really allowed to. Like it's our body we can do whatever but it's not recommended to get tattoos as a member for religious reasons but we welcome anyone that already have tattoo's. I have several friends that have tats. So yeah I felt I should point that out and I probably shouldn't of but anywho. Great video! I hope everyone have a fantastic day. ❤️
I think this tiktoker is misusing the term "patchwork" -- not to say that what she has on her arms can't be considered "patchwork," because it is, but to claim that there is "discrimination" in the community against people with patchwork is just.... not true. A vast, vast, vast majority of tattooed people have patchwork. When it comes to limb tattoos, you can either get a full, cohesive sleeve that is one big piece (typically half the arm, 3/4ths, or the full arm) -- something that requires a huge investment in money and time and is not very beginner-friendly -- or you have patchwork. Patchwork American Traditional is about as old school and respectable as it gets. Many, many tattoo artists are covered head to toe in patchwork.
I think she's getting flak not for calling her work "patchwork" -- but specifically for calling it a "sleeve." I wouldn't consider her arms sleeved out at all. A sleeve means a very high degree of coverage... You can get there with patchwork, but it takes time. She has a shit ton of space on her arms still. She's got plenty of space to get more tattoos. If she fills all those gaps, then she's got a sleeve. It's not gatekeeping. Words have meaning. Having sparse, widely-spaced tattoos over one area of the body does not mean you have a sleeve and has never meant that. It's equivalent to someone saying they have a "backpiece" when they have a tiny flower on their shoulder blade. "Backpiece" implies a large area of coverage.
I have multiple palm-sized tattoos on one arm. I tell people I am "working toward a patchwork sleeve" because I've still got a lot of space left that I intend to fill.
My artist and I are on the same page- just because someone wants tattoos I may not get or like, doesn't mean they're not worth that person having or valuable to tattoo (as an artist). He loves art, and he loves tattooing, so he will do just about whatever anyone wants, wherever they want it, as long as it makes them happy (within boundaries ofc). He's really good about having conversations about placement, longevity, being in the real-world with said tattoos, but if you hear all that and still want it, that's your choice and he'll make it happen.
I don't know why people care so much about what is on other people's bodies.
okay 1st. LOVE your earrings.
2nd. i guess my right arm would be considered somewhat ‘patchwork’ so, obviously I like the style. just because someone doesn’t sit for 10 hours to get the last supper tattooed on their fucking asscheeks or whatever, doesn’t mean they’re basic and boring or lack creativity.
and D. i finally remembered this time, i’m a real one 😁🤗 --> 🌹🌹
Wow, I love how you can ACTUALLY SEE what each one is!
I think part of the problem is seeing ppl with tatoos as a community, the gatekeepers see sticker sleeve ppl as trying to infultrate their community instead of ppl just minding their own business and doing what they want with their own bodies. having tatoos doesnt necessarily put one in community with everyone else in the world who has one and mabey if more ppl internalized that there would be less of....this
Doing your tattoo shop research is so important. Not just when it comes to pricing and quality of their work, but the vibe check! I searched for years in my area for a shop that checked all three boxes, and I can honestly say it was so worth it. I LOVE my artist so much and the shop she works in. Their prices are great, their work is incredible, and they pass that vibe check with flying colors! The elitist, gakekeeping, incredibly judgemental mentality that, unfortunately, a large amount of tattoo artists have is something we just have to phase out ourselves by not supporting it. Once their money is being messed with, maybe then they will check themselves.
As far as people judging other people's tattoo styles or placements, it's just a super annoying thing that comes with the territory. Like they say, "Opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one." The ONLY thing that matters is if YOU are happy with it. Period.
I don’t think it’s gatekeeping or hate on small tattoos but the idea that they call it a sleeve with so much space in between. I don’t understand how now of days people don’t understand they have more then one choice on their tattoo artist or costumers
If a shirt sleeve is entirely made out of lace or fishnets, it’s still a sleeve even with all the holes in it. It’s so odd to me that anyone would get their panties so twisted over what something is called
@@BreakofDawnyeah and most trad sleeves have lil gaps in, but they still MOSTLY cover the arm, if you have 5 lil patchwork tats it's not really covering much at all, they're just tats not a sleeve
It’s not gatekeeping. Just opinions and when people don’t like the opinion they cry victim.
I've seen plenty of super cute patchwork sleeves. As an apprentice the other apprentices and I have to do a lot of tattoos, I plan on having a half sleeve of patches and eventually unify them with some background work. I think doing some work that "unify" them can help aesthetically turn it into a sleeve but it's ridiculous for people to judge other people's tattoos so harshly in the first place.
These short tattoo courses and self taught tiny tatters are a product of the gatekeepers in the tattoo industry.
If you’re a professional doing good clean work, do whatever you want, but tattooing is not a hobby or something to do on the side, it’s basically a medical procedure.
Also i love your vids but thank god for 1.25x
I have 7 small/midsized tattoos. My first two tattoos were basic. My very first one was from Pinterest inspo. It is drawing by Picasso. I wouldn’t get it now but it had meaning for me back then. The tattoo artist quizzed me the entire time and now I realise that he pushed the needle in so deep that it’s still bumpy after 6 years. Gatekeeping is lame. I did not get tattoos “to be tattooed” I got them to commemorate things so this makes no sense to me.
I'm a big fan of more traditional tattoos, but I have no problem at all with this. People take all kinds of approaches to their tattoos, and I think that's a good thing. Old school tattoo designs were taken from all kinds of random places, and while it may not be everybody's style -- you could say that about a lot of the tattoo world. I'm on Team You-do-You. Thanks for sharing! 🌹
My only concern is that I feel like a lot of these tiny, fine-line tattoos are going to blur out or fade or whatever. But if they make you happy, and even if they don't stick around for a long time, get them. It's your body. You can do what you want with your body.
Whenever I hear tattoo artists talking about others like they're better than everyone the second hand embarrassment could kill me stone dead 💀
I love the dainty look of the stickerbook sleeves 😍 And i admire heavy, bold sleeves.
I absolutely despise little, fine-line tattoos that look like water tattoos that came in a bubble-gum package. That being said, I'm never going to invest time in telling others this. This is my aesthetic view and how I imagine my own work (big, bold and very in your face) for my own body. Do whatever you like. You have your own aesthetic, I have my own, let's be happy with our choices.
i'm planning on a full sleeve on one arm in the future, but the other arm is a work in progress of (currently 7) tattoos from different artists in different styles. i plan to fill the whole arm out over time, but i didn't go into getting tattooed planning that, so i'm sure it'll end up more patchwork than true sleeve. i've never had an artist give me a hard time for it (though i did have one artist diss the placement of another one of the tattoos, awkward!) but i also don't have those pinterest fine line tattoos (it's just not the style i'm into) so...
other comments have mentioned it, but it's pretty obvious with the way some artists talk about those tattoos - and who they choose to criticize specifically - that their problem is with the women getting the tattoos, and the women doing the tattoos, and the fact that they don't like the style or the vibe or the placement is just an excuse to complain about the growing inclusivity of the tattoo industry and the diversity of tattoo styles.
Definitely not a new thing. Back in the day, a lot of people in the punk scene had tons of unrelated tats on their arms. I mean a lot of heavily tattooed people in the forties and fifties never had fully cohesive sleeves either. This "new" style literally brings me back to the eighties punk scene.
i just turned 18 this past week and went to get my first (machine) tattoo. it's flash, i saw it and i fell in love and immediately kind of knew i needed it, so... it's on my arm now. i love patchwork sleeves a lot because i think that, especially if you wait for like fun occasions etc, it can be a nice memory holder haha
Iv never understood why people want u to go through pain to “earn” the tattoo if u payed for something u don’t need to earn it. Why would u want anyone to be in pain !!
I didn't even know but I guess I'm building a patchwork sleeve? Eventhough my tattoos are not tiny but most are smaller. As you said it's cheaper to get smaller tattoos and also i wouldn't want to feel like I lost a whole arm of tattoo space on one tattoo tbh, I prefer to have multiple on that same space and get them over time when I feel like it. But I think here in Spain it's more common to get smaller tattoos, I also know so many people who got tattooed by friends at home or tattooed themselves, things are wild here I guess hahah. It's actually not super uncommon to go to artist you found on Instagram and who works at home as a side hustle. Some of them end up going on to working in studios later
What she's experiencing is NOT discrimination 😂
The thing that's funny about calling them Pinterest tattoos is that you can find ANY style of tattoos on Pinterest, not just fine line.
"means they're basic and uncreative" sais the countless people with a Lion, Zeus, Tiger, Dragon, hourglass, wolf
"what's that an hourglass with a skeleton and some generic quote? Niiiice never seen that before mate" 👍
You're such a reasonable and respectful person. It's nice.
I think the gatekeeping is because those of us who got tattoos in the 2010s and before were hard-core judged for having visible tattoos at all. We couldn't get jobs, we were looked at like we were drug addicts and degenerates unless it was 1 Christian tattoo or 2 a military tattoo. So they're a little butt hurt. It does suck to get older and watch things be easier for other people than they were before, but ultimately it means progress is being made. so wtf ever. As for "didn't earn it" I personally don't care what style you get, if you're going under anesthesia or getting high or drunk you kinda didn't earn it. It's one of the few kind of rights of passage we have left in modern industrialized countries where toughing it out gives you some pride and accomplishment idgaf if it's Kermit the frog or a full 1 sitting sleeve original artwork. People should stop avoiding the negative parts of life to get the good results pain free and easy. It's entitled.
I’ve got some great stories behind my patchwork sleeve tattoos..I think they look great spaced closely like mine..but if people want spaced out look it’s still cute..it does look better if ur heavily tattooed but I wouldn’t insult anyone’s style choice
the ironic thing is people will call the patchwork sleeve "basic and uncreative" while having the same flower and scales sleeve everyone else has. like no disrespect, i love me a traditional sleeve. but no one is original. all art is derivative. no ones tattoos are that unique. quit putting random people minding their own business (women mostly im noticing, hmmm) down to feel special