KTM 890 Duke R vs KTM 1290 Super Duke R (Snog, Marry or Avoid?)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Which one would you Snog, Marry or Avoid? Chris has clearly spent far too long in the company of bikes. Sponsored by www.bikedevil....
#KTM #890duke #superduke
This is exactly how I want a comparison to be, how it makes you feel
HE IS THE BENCHMARK IN REVIEWING MOTORCYCLES....😍😍😍😍😍😍
You want mouthwash with that? Sheesh. 🙄
@@hommuside ..😒😒
Fair comment
These reviews are a different class, thanks
i really enjoyed this. i would imagine that there aren’t really any bad bikes anymore, so reviews are less about which bike is better and more which bike has the right mix of nuances for you. thanks!
Great review. I was in the fortunate position of having to choose between the 890R and 1290R last year...... I chose the 1290R and dont regret it one bit. My 3rd KTM in a row and I love it!
Chris, your reviews are simply a joy to watch. I had a 1290R and did multiple trackdays on it as well as everything else, loved everything you had to say. Never a dull moment for sure, but I did feel that the bike was wishing for a better rider. I'm dying to try an 890R as an all-around bike. Love your videos, keep em coming!
Thanks!
Got the 890. Couldn't agree more. Massive fun in the twisties at the weekends. Makes me (almost) forget the 2012 Triumph Street Triple R that I had to trade in on it.
That’s cool. I’m buying a 790 this week.
I agree with his comments on the 1290, as I have one and it's devastatingly fast....but on the other hand I'd like a go on the 890R..great review...👍👍
Owned a 790 for 2 years and its the most fun i have had on a bike since my RD350LC
890 Duke R vs 690 SMCR; what would be your comparison?
Would love to see a Duke 890 GT. 1290 GT is a awesome bike, but really expensive and on most roads to powerfull to really squeeze everything out of it in my opinion.
Hey Chris. Great video. I bought a 1290 3.0 last October. Took me until this past weekend (and 5000klms since new) to fully get used to it, and I class myself as an OK rider (not great, not quick, just competent) who loves to have fun on a bike.
The 1290R is ridiculously fast, and incredibly unforgiving if you are stupid or worse, unprepared. I am also a big-ish bloke at 185cm and 120Kilos, so having such a lump of a bike sort of makes sense too. I sat on the 890R when I had my 1st service and in all honesty, it felt a bit small for me... but if I can convince my Missus to part with her precious Ducati Monster and get one, I'll truly have the best of both worlds. :)
The other thing - the 1290 is tall and a bit unwieldly at walking pace/moving it around the garage! My wife refuses to ride it because she can't reach the ground with both feet, so that could be an issue for some.
Damn it...I keep thinking "I should get rid of the 1290 and get something more sensible cause only idiots would ride this insane motor" Then I put my idiot hat back on, hit the throttle and giggle.
If you own one, you know damn well the beast is very timid until you don't want it to be. That is why I enjoy the bike so much. I can cruise on it and then bash the shite out of it :-)
I just bought the 890 without even riding it based on your previous review. I can’t wait till spring. 😀
Feel your excitement and frustration! Spring feels like a lifetime away. Our council has gone ott with the salt this year so very reluctant to sneak out.
Did you buy the R version?
@@UA-cam_Globetrotter yes, great bike, 500 km so far and I am lovin it!
@@MAKOGS12 Bought mine last year. I have done 5000km
did the same......never even rode a streetbike but bought 890 R......more i ride it better it is
This video is absolutely brilliant. Period. Moreover, this has to be the standard of video comparisons. Congrats! (BTW, my next bike will be the 1290 :D )
i went with the 890 R rather than the Superduke. I thought about it for a while and there really is no getting around the fact that i dont need that much bike. I dont race, so it would never see a track. It would only be good for getting me tickets or jail time, or laid up in a hospital. And i dont think it would be fun never being able to get out of like 2nd gear.
I bought the 1290 last November. I prefer the look of it and wanted the extra horses!
Excellent comparison! Now do KTM Duke 890R vs KTM 690 SMC R !!
I second this as I own a 890R and want a 690 SMC R to go along with it.
Yep, i third @John RidesADV suggestion - I'm very fortunate to own 2 KTM's, my v3.0 1290R aint going anywhere but my other LC8 KTM may be getting close to me looking towards the 690 Enduro R or indeed perhaps a full fat MX, the 2 stroke 300cc also has me salivating as its been longer than I care to admit since I had a 2 stroke and my god do I love 2smoke powered off roaders
@@MistressDarkTruth I have the 690 SMC R and am wanting an 890 to add! Haha
@@nathanielboddy you'll love the 890R.... I have 8,000 miles on mine and do 300 mile days on it consistently. I did end up buying a 21 690 but only kept it for a few months. Sold it to buy a Ducati Hypermotard RVE.
I Chance my 690smcr to Duke 890r! And what can I say this was the best way for me, the 890r is so much better and with this bike I have so much more fun! First I want by the 1290 and then I tested the 890r, and for mi is the 890r the better option!
bought a 2022 890 R......where i live cant really open any bike up in straight line but have lots of canyons close by......been running in track mode pretty consistently and its pretty snappy......i cant even come close to riding to this bikes limit.....but feel i can use more of it than i would a 1290 duke......if i ever decide to jump up to 1000cc i would get an Aprilia tuono V4......wind protection would be nice
1290 is the funniest bike on the track that I have ever rode but as said on the video the tire expenses are horrible :D 1290 is really picky about the compound since it buts a lot of heat on the rear tire.
I know what you mean, my brother has a 1290 and man can he ride it ! On track it is just amazing and it’s such a fun bike, other bikes are faster but not sure if anything is as much fun !
@yumpladukfoo shut up 🤫
Fucking excellent comparison and having ridden both and being an owner of the 1290 I have to say I couldn't agree more. I couldn't get past the 890 having the archaic KTM switchgear & TFT, especially given the updated format of the gen 3.0 1290, also the 890 just feels somewhat cheap to the touch in certain areas, plastics a bit flimsy and the headlight being decidedly budget compared to the masterpiece adorning the 1290's face. Guaranteed this was all intentionally done though because if you gave the 890 the same quality TFT / switchgear / bikini fairings & headlight you can be sure the 1290 would lose sales to the 890. My decision was made by the absolute engineering marvel that is the LC8 in its current state of evolution - it never, and I mean never disappoints, it really is something special to behold, such brutal performance and the v 3.0 1290 Super Duke R really forces you to recalibrate your throttle grip because 1% increments really equate to so much and in all honesty after best part of a year nearly of ownership I can honestly say the beast 3.0 still makes me giggle like a schoolgirl and my cheeks ache from grinning every single time I'm out riding. I don't think I've ever loved a bike so much, in fact I definitely haven't (not including MX bikes), it really is the king of the road and if you know what you're doing you can easily embarrass plenty of litre bikes at the track.
I'm a KTM fanatic by the way, so any more KTM comparisons would be greatly appreciated, enduro to MX, their entire range, KTM make some of the best bikes in the business, across all genres. Keep up the good work lads 🤙
How does 890 Duke compare to the old 990 Super Duke? That would be interesting to hear.
As a 990 SD owner I was thinking exactly the same!
Just because money matters and an SD990 costs half the 890, is it just half the bike?
@@Bik3rboyRR
Of course not.
Bikes built 10/20 yrs ago the average rider would never reach its limits and they haven't really gotten that better to the average person they sell bikes too.
ive owned a 08 990sdr ,a 2019 1290sdr; and have ridden the 890r a couple times now...the 890r doesnt have the power and pull of my 990 but its still plenty fast...as far as handling goes the 890r is much easier to maneuver, feels lighter, and its even more precise that the 990r...
I love your reviews, spot on. Just one correction though, the 890 R does come with a pillion seat and foot pegs as part of standard kit. Its your choice to put on a cover or a seat.
i yanked mine off on second day......not putting anyone backseat of my 890 R, just not that kinda bike, lol
Thank you sooo much for this video!! You answered the question in my head perfectly! Thanks again so much!
Wtf Chris are you a mind reader? I started asking myself this question just a few days ago and here you are with an answer.
So what bike is it gonna be?
makes me happy that ive just bought the 890r
1290R everywhere every day
Your're goddamn right.
Chris, here it is: 1290 Duke R, 890 Duke R, 690 SMC R....pick two?
Haha good twist on the ‘avoid’. Awesome review man I’m not a fan of KTMs in general but after watching this I really want to get on one and experience what the hype is about.
5:30 - exactly what I love about a lot of big, semi-wayward bikes. My fave bikes have always been unruly ones because I love the challenge they offer.
Consistently entertaining and HELPFUL reviews. Much appreciated!!!!!
Fantastic comparison and review of both bikes. Thanks.
You're bang on,i cant speak for the 890 but i have the 1290.it is just a missile on wheels.just makes me laugh everytime i ride it.its insane!but lets be honest,thats what we love about bikes.even the manufacturers have a cracking sense of humour!great review!
You are the man Chris loving the wheelie action 👍
What fantastic review of two of my favourite machines. Well done sir. That was artwork.
Loved the review, real fun and information. Thank you Chris! 👍
Honestly the sound, the torque and the rush of the 1290 are intoxicating, I just feel like I will never get bored of mine. In fact, just writing about it makes me want to get down in my garage and have a go! 🤣
The 890 must be fantastic if it is half as good as you say. I will definitely have a go during the next 1290 maintenance. Unfortunately I can only afford one bike at a time...
Chris mate, you are just nailing these reviews - absolutely nailing them. It's like listening to a mate who you trust and who knows what he's talking about: after listening to your opinion - your decision is made, no question. If you're ever in Dublin (hopefully by the year 2048 when this 'C' thing ends!), will be more than glad to take ya around Mondello - I'm one of the instructors there!
Please do more vids mate 👍 it’s too cold and wet to get out on the road and it’s a long way from trackday weather !!!
Well put. Just picked up an 890 as it's the "medium" when it comes to ripping about and doing track days
No-one comes close to matching the reviews that Chris presents. His style and delivery is just so entertaining and natural. Keep it going guys.
Very informative video. Thanks!
So what’s a good road bike if you don’t have corners just boring straights and commuting?
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I've gone from a aprilia tuono factory v4 to a 890 duke and I love it!! 890 is the best road bike I've ever ridden nobody can keep up on uk roads.. the power and chassis allows blistering pace on the road its so much fun leaving sport bikes behind
I was contemplating getting the 890 last year. Ended up with a used 1290r gen1 special edition. The engine is just outrages fun! Having said that, she is a handfull in the twisties compared to middleweights like the 890, z900, mt-09. Coming out of third gear corners you get the front unintentionally up in the air. And if you turn the tc off you gave quit a few pant-browning moments...
Who would have thought a scruffy, super-talented hooligan with a pony tail and a penchant for crappy reality shows could give the most educated, articulate and common sense review on these two Dukes? That’s why I love this channel!
I just got the 890 R and I couldn't be more stoked, definitely fast enough for me.
KTM, which ever one you buy, make the most exciting bikes to ride..I’ve just brought the 1290 after having the 890. Both excellent exciting bikes as Chris said for different reasons. I do wish KTM sort out the annoying niggles you get with ownership though. 😊
890 R = Devil without a cause/kid brother
SDR EVO = Devil with a cause, gonna fucking kill you in your sleep type vibe!
Either way, you can’t go wrong… KTM simply designs bikes of tomorrow, not yesteryear!
Good broad comparison,, from a man who rode the wheels off the 1290 on the launch,, and enjoys motorcycles,, if you're caught nowadays your worse than a bank robber,, so I'm getting another lottery ticket to have both,, from Northern Ireland greatly appreciated thank you ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
Hey, KTM? 1290 SMR. Do it.
so i am currently looking into my options and need to test ride a couple of bikes. I am not sure i will be enjoying the likes of 1290 r cause i will be sh*^ing my pants probably more than truly enjoying the ride, and i dont think that my skills nor my self control are helping either. So i think a middleweight is a better option (also price wise). Till now i tested the mt09, street triple and the new monster - as the mt09 was an older model tho i need to try that one out again and the 890 (pref the R version) - so far on paper i am between the MT09 sp and the ktm 890 r
Jeremy McWilliams said he was over a second a lap quicker on the 890R at KTMs test track.
That doesnt mean the average rider will be faster.
@@vtwin1979 I agree but it shows what a superbly handling bike the 890R is.
After skipping the crying Russian kid with cancer as fast as I could... an enjoyable video. Thanks, tacky UA-cam!
The reviews here are great. So sick of reviews that just read the specs
Nice review..I will go on the 890..Thanks
I started on the 790 then I got the 890 then sold that an brought a 1290 and they are all great bikes but the 1290 wins for me I love it
And the wheelieeeees!!?!?! What about the wheeelieeeeeeeeees!??! :D
Brilliant review
get a 1290 sdr and 690 smcr. sweet!
Even though the 890 Duke is cool, sharp and sensible, I'd rather have the 1290 Super Duke. I currently ride a Yamaha MT07 and I'm addicted to torque, my MT07 is very close to perfect for me. I love the instant torque and just want a BIGGER and BADDER version of this bike. The 1290 Super Duke is my dream bike, it is excessive yes but it's all about those little bursts of fun from 0 to 100, or over taking an annoying cager in the most spectacular fashion without dropping a gear. I love twins, big braps and big torque. One day she'll be mine :)
I was so unsure I bought the 890R to go along with my 1290 (GT) but then grabbed a SMC R 690 just in case. Dowgrading to just two WILL be a challenge. They all do their own "thing"--which is mainly be fun--the GT with a pillion onboard. If KTM can solve electronic glitches--many are harmless resets--and the pesky valve cover gasket leaking and drive gear o-ring leaking (How hard can it be?) they would rule the world. I would add the clutch slave but I heard they fixed that on the 2021 SMC R. Maybe they attended to the other things, too.
you get what you pay for, of course 1290 is better
This comparison is dripping w/ quality info and experience. The more bikes I have owned and the more experience I get, the more I wish I had listened to this sort of stuff and believed it, from the beginning. Of course, it's tough to know who to trust, so I'm always skeptical. But for sure, Chris has this stuff nailed. That's the TLDR; but some specifics below if you care:
I've ridden or owned stuff from MT-07, Ducati 999, CBR-1000R, etc. Currently I own an R6, an MT-09 and a GSXR-1000R. My favorite road bike, by far, is the MT-09. From the factory, it has crap suspension, so I had to upgrade that. That's a bit what I see this 890 as. Great torque, great chassis (once you fix the garbage suspension on the MT), easy to ride, but not scary fast. All the fun is in the first 3-4 gears, and below 110mph.
The R6 is my second favorite on the road. Lightweight, great chassis, nowhere near enough power to be scary. But on the road it's not ideal because the engine is completely gutless at the bottom / mid range, so you have to ride the hell out of it. Although I prefer the supersport riding position, it's just not comfortable, and it struggles on really tight stuff or substandard surfaces. The MT can be is easy in these scenarios.
My least favorite on the road is the Gixxer. Sure, the 1000R has top tier front forks, so it's really stable, but it's just such a monster that you have to really work hard to keep it under control. Or you just don't push it hard on the street (probably smart), but that's not fun. And Chris mentioned almost off-handedly the way the big engines chew up rear tires, but it's not a joke. I can flog the R6 and still get twice the mileage at least on a rear tire than I do on the Gixxer.
Regarding other bikes I've ridden and owned, it basically comes down to this: The lower powered stuff like the MT-07 is fun if you have access to good twisty roads. You don't really need to worry about giving too much gas as long as you're not doing something completely stupid. The high powered stuff, is just too limited and hard to deal with on the road. And dangerous, frankly. The Gixxer or CBR or other liter bikes I've been on, have long gearing, and are so capable, you don't even feel like the bike is doing anything until you're going 100+ MPH.
The middleweight stuff, IMO, is the most fun on the road. That 890 looks amazing and I really want one. The liter hyper-nakeds also seem like great street bikes because of where they make their power, but they are better for hooning around and popping wheelies than they are in the corners on the street.
snog 1290, marry MT-10 avoid none
890 Duke R’s are gonna be rarer than damn RC8’s and 990 SMR’s in a second lol
Why is that?
@@meijboomm the R is the more raw and crazy and the regular will be just a 790 Duke (plain) with 890 written on it
Damn good answer. I just got a 2015 1290 Super Duke and now my 765 Street Triple sits in the garage. It is now up for sale -- no need for it as I wanted something more powerful and better for touring and I am also a bigger guy tipping the scales over 250lbs (115 Kilos). Just makes sense to me.
I liked your review. I live in Palm Beach County so I ride all year. I used to live in Georgia and it has some of the best roads in the USA up in the North GA Mountains. I swore I would never buy a top of the line sportbike in FLA because of our straight flat roads. They go from north to south, east to west at sea level. We live on top of a swamp and it is based on a canal system. My Harley is tough to ride in the summer even though it comes stock with an oil cooler. When the heat index hits around 110 degrees and I am going 85-90 on the interstate it gets hot and can shut off. Not fun. I only ride at night. The rest of the year it is fine. I needed a water-cooled bike. I got a fantastic deal on the 890 R . It had 1200 miles on it and was flashed and set up perfectly. It was on consignment. I also saved thousands on all those horrific dealership fees. Now I will have to do some trackdays. I always wanted to run my XR on the track too. My 12 year old son races supermoto and BMX so most of my time and money go to him. I do get some time during supermoto trackdays to run.
I have a KTM 350 SX-F dirt bike... not even a 450 and it pulls so damn hard I pulled a muscle in my chest once. Don't need that much damn power on the road, I have the 390 Duke which does what I want.
He is spot on there is no better bike depends on your skill level and what you use it for for me 1290 because I am a wacko speed freak however there might be days when on am Mellow and tired and want something calm 890 then would be the better bike I have a Hayabusa love it but there's days I don't want to see it too tired so I'm looking at the z900 Kawasaki awesome bike for those days when I'm mellow and calm that I have both bikes and ride them depending on my mood
This is a proper review, no fluffy specs or bs, just great information about the EXPERIENCE!
the common sense side of me says the 890 is the better bike and all you need, but the stupid side of me says 1290, so I would go with 1290..lol
About to get the 1290!! Loved this review! I couldn’t decide between the 890 or 1290 and this helped. haha
Fantastic explaination! I own a 2018
Super Duke 1290r and a MV Agusta Dragster 800rr. Smaller bikes are so fun.
Great review dude , I would buy based on your opinion & real world experience, and not afraid to ring the things neck on camera, nice ! Cheers from New Zealand.
Brilliant assessment. I have the SD GT and can see an 890r alongside one day
How long you have been riding it mate, Hows the reliability. ? Is it sketchy as many claims it is..???
@@abymathew295 hi I've had for 4 months now having ridden sports bikes all my riding life. It isn't what you suggest (not heard that phrase before lol) however its not as direct if you put in rain or street mode. In sprt mode though its really nice and compliant. Im going to swap the tyres back to S22s thought at these angel tyres arent great
@@stevesherlockrides , i had had owned couple of small capacity KTMs...they all had some issues, especially head gasket problem...But i must say that KTM makes the most fuuuunnnneeessssttt bikes out there..
For your tyres, i think the Metzeler M7RR is a good option..
Thank you for such a brilliant comparison. I wasn't sure which of the two I'm leaning towards after my 790. Now I'm clear. 1290 land, here I come! Awesome channel BTW my friend. Always great content. Thank-you!
Thanks Darren, let us know how you get on with the bike.
Thanks guys. I'm currently nursing a broken leg. Tried to commute that week it ☃️❄. Looks like 3-4 months before I can enjoy riding again so amazing channels like yours are a welcome respite for being locked in under lockdown. Keep up the fantastic work and any ways we can support the channel, let us know. Thanks again.
@@DarrenStarr Sorry to hear that Darren, you can support us by watching the show on TV as well. Do you have SKY of Freeview HD? Cheers
I’m in this situation. This was a great revie, but I’m still not sure if I should get the 890 or 1290
"Snog 1290, Marry 890, avoid going around with no bike" hahahah brilliant
Great review. Would like to try a light 890. I had a 1290 SDR then wanted something lighter and manageable but with power, so bought an MT09 and modded it with a turbo kit then had to mod it some more! It’s great fun. However also have a Tuono 1100 and that is my fave so far. The chassis, engine, suspension, brakes. Had an original 2003 V2 Tuono and loved that also for the same reasons.
The MT 09 for the price gives a pretty good rush "bang for the buck" could literally buy 2 of them and accesories them how you want for the price of a 1290. (Granted mt 10 is the closer comparison). I do like the mt 09 quite a bit, wish they would get with the times on a color TFT but then again "pay attention to the road" not the screen lol.
The Best part of the MT09 is the engine. It’s really good in the mid weight category, perhaps the best.
It’s let down by the rest, suspension, brakes etc. BUT it’s relatively cheap meaning you can mod it to suit. The chassis is good and agile. That engine with a turbo with its torque and lightweight is amazing. MT 10 with same mod would be 20 kilos heavier and torque higher up the rev range. It’s the ultimate semi urban blaster as I have it set up. That’s coming from an ex 1290 SDR and Tuono owner. As the roads stretch out the others make more sense over distance.
@@Jeez726 I have a 2017 MT-09 and I always hear people complain about the suspension and brakes. 1) I had the tech at the dealership set my suspension for my weight and height. I can put this bike into a corner with the best of them. 2) Breaks upgrade - braided lines and performance brake pads. My bike will endo with the front break now...For about $300.00 these upgrades made my bike like night and day...
Problem is the rear shock is a known issue on that bike, for my weight anyway. I have EBC upgraded pads with an RCS master cylinder, braided lines would be next yes. Cheers
Wat happens to me all the time on track day's with my 2023 duke 890R , the liter bikes are blocking me every corner and break so early that's really frustrating because even when I can overtake them in the breaking zone they will pas me in the straight and block my next corner , so I bought a 2015 superduke 1290R , let's see if that helps 😐
When you say chassis you mean just the frame or rather the frame and suspension?
The clip u jumping with the 1290r 🥵phenomenal 👌🏻
I hate the white, orange and blue goes faster 😋 you speak of power differences but how fast are you going through the same corner? I had the 790 and have no issue riding a similar way on the 2020 1290 once I got used to power difference. I’ll cruise country roads too, I thinks it’s the hand on the throttle that changes the perspective.
1290r every time for me
Where this boy lives the 790AdvR is King.It make take a few day to get the mud orf it
I live by the coast in nz. My 890 loves it all day. Great review
I've ridden both of them and this is a much better comparison than I could do.
Keep up the great work 🍻
All other brands: A chassi with an engine
KTM: An engine with a chassi
Great break down!
Awesome comparison, well explained! Thank you. 👍😎🇦🇺
Hitting nail on proverbial head. Excellent review. Cheers. G.
My bike came with a pillion seat and rear foot rest.
I have 690 smcr for 4 years and it's different breed.probably 890 duke will be its brother.690 is magic at the slow-medium speed corners.For medium-high speed corners you need 890 not 1290 sdr.
Both are too fast for me. I'll stick to my 390. Haha!
That little thing is whole lotta fun and put a smile on your face every time you whack open that throttle...Absolutely loved it..😍
@@abymathew295 You're not wrong, Aby.
It's one of the best engine out there. I say that as a MT07/Gsx s1000 owner.
Good review! But.... 1290 can be anything you want it to be. And it is pretty damn good on corners.
Sure but a lighter bike will give you more confidance. You can brake later, and go on gast quicker due to better handling and stabillity with less mass.
anyone know the music at 2:32 and then again at 8:16?
What a great summation. Love it
Epic comparo. Thanks. :)
Short and straight to the point. Amen brother 🙏