Thanks for the video. I want to add my view on what you said to be the reason why Dr. Peterson changed. I think both of the reason you said can be valid. The thing is, regardless of which one is the 'real' reason, Dr. Peterson, before his change, seemed to be putting efforts intentionally not to pick any side at all. He was always vigilant against being framed in one ideological side and being misunderstood for what he had not said but typical ideologue would have said. He was trying hard to convey only what he believes to be true and nothing else. He deliberately avoided using some typical, generic terminology 'contaminated' by contemporary ideological warfare. He avoided being provocative, and tried to make his point by telling detailed stories and studies. Nowadays he openly picks a certain side, clearly demonizes the other side, using ominous labels when calling them, and often gets outraged like you depicted in this video. I think he gave up the effort needed to avoid getting misunderstood. In my opinion, he seems to be rallying his allies to smite the wrong-doing enemies. Clinical, scholarly side of him had made him to help and guide people, hypothetically making him cover his strong political view, but enough persecution or attack against him, and it has been fierce, made him jump from the neutral ground to the safe, fortified army of conservatives.
This is very true, and I can't really blame him either. He suffered a lot of persecution from the far left even while trying to remain on neutral ground.
Thanks for the video, I'm happy someone has addressed this. I also used to find his lectures very interesting, but following his recovery something certainly changed. Before I felt like I was listening to a psychologist, whilst now he just sounds like a conservative activist. He studied the horrors of the 20th century and built a very interesting philosophical view, which was mostly non-political and non-religious. But now those views and his psychology contributions have largely been taken over by politics and religion, which I think have diminished his intellectual honesty and have led me to lose interest in what he has to say. I didn't following him for shallow political punditry, but rather to listen about his takes on the field he is an expert on. It's a shame really, but what can you do.
i too observed this transformation and was deeply confused at first and then when i confirmed my suspicion, was deeply disappointed. Sad what tribalism does to people. I watch his old lectures as if he were a different person, and still enjoy who he was or at least appeared to be. Who he is now doesn't change much of what i got out of them, but it certainly has an underlying sadness for me now.... life is hard, and takes toll on us all... thanks for the wonderful content my friend...
Thank you for this. I read his books and enjoyed his lectures. After his illness, he seemed different. Can’t pinpoint the change, but it was a “ temperament/ energy shift. These days, the multiple daily posts, interests in reaching a mass audience, speaks to a different intention. I miss the Professor.
I think it is pretty clear, he cashed in. Some months ago i past by one of his youtube channels, and i saw it. I was pretty surprised. He is monetizing all typs of things. For me personally it is pretty clear that he was always right conservative, but non the less i always loved his interpretation of old myths. But maybe it is also about the fact that he has nothing else to say honestly, at least nothing else i care about. You could also speculate about his intellectual abilities after all his trauma stuff.
Really insightful video! I especially appreciated the clips documenting JBP’s origin and ascent. The one thing I wish you had shown more was footage/content from his post-illness turn toward partisan politics (eg. his joining Daily Wire+). I think this would have been really helpful for better demonstrating the contrast/shift between “Professor Peterson,” say, and “Partisan Peterson.” Perhaps you could dive into this in a future video? Again though, great video all in all!
I get the feeling that the later Peterson crafted a very well orchestrated persona around him, cause of the fear of being exposed to his own doubts and shadow side. Very aware of the power of his image, wearing expensive suits, appearing fit and with a fresh haircut, but at the sametime not so clear anymore in the mind. His words sound a bit lost; wondering around in his self-created maze of smoke and mirrors. It is a pity, but someway understandable with his meteoric rise to fame and stardom in such a short time-span, and the public attention that comes with it. All those millions of young people that look up at him, and all those critics that try to bring you down, demanding you to pick one side, cause it makes it easier chewable in the public story. You must also take in account, his background is practical psychology, and not pure philosophy (having a more distant position in the world, like Zizek or Harris(neuroscience), standing further away from concrete reality). Therefore he provides another kind of knowledge-view, which I very much appreciated. These discussions between all the big personailties are never really constructive. Its like a shoot-out, but they are all targeting imaginaty characters. Approaching problems from their own field of specializations, completely channeling out the wider view. They forget so often who they have in front of them. Cause that is someone who comes with a completely other way of perceiving. A deaf person trying to convince a blind person, that what he hears is the real truth. Even Gabor Mate, the physician educator. He has a point, but it is not the complete story, although he believes so. At the moment Peterson is far away from the careless, free, but passionate person he portraited before. Visible in the lecture series he gave in a random classroom in Toronto. Walking around in unfashionable clothes, drinking coke, taking it serious, but not too serious. Thank you for the video, it is very well done, analytically as well stylistically.
Jordan Peterson is a human being like all of us and as a human being he makes mistakes like everyone of us. He has taken to much weight on his shoulders and he pays the price. Gabor Mate and Jordan Peterson are both great teachers and healers, both use the language of healing but in different words. O gift to the world, both of them.
Jordan Peterson uses the language of destruction as well, and the reason why he self-destructed so spectacularly is an important lesson for everyone who keeps tabs on this space
Finally people are seeing this. I had noticed his radical change of "Public" perspective. I have wondered if he always held the hardline conservative and religious beliefs but simply hid them to become popular or did his views change. I want to believe he changed or was changed while at rock bottom by some religious/conservative influence. (Or maybe swayed by money offered by the Right.) I wonder because I had a family member who was super liberal and during a trip to rehab came out a Christian Missionary, a literal traveling missionary. He went from believing in an infinite universe and massive personal freedom to became an unbending believer of nothing but a 6000 year biblically defined universe. In his case it lasted for about 10 years and eventually lead him to be abusive to his wife (justified by scripture), and then relapsed to drugs. If that is the case with Peterson it is chilling to think how a brilliant and curious mind can be reshaped under stress. Also keep an eye on Sam Harris (and a few other intellectuals), he has now tripped all the way into humans have no free will, which either leaves one with nihilism or God (an invisible guiding hand).
@@IanTula Perhaps our limitations are not guiding us towards the understandings they already got through their evinced contributions? Perhaps this disguised youngster passion constantly confronts us and cause us to forget that we know nothing? However, being on the way, accepting the journey is what makes us fill our hard drive and increase our perplexity's capture of this algorithm with latent patterns that life is. Come on, there are still some tires to burn until we get there.
One of a kind. When he went down , found not many were actually around him, and probably footed his health bill alone, he finally realized what some of us did after long thought and some life experience: the people loves drama, propaganda, and flows with their desires whether good or evil. Of course he realized then he's on his own after all, so why not takes a middle ground in what he believes while making a profit out of it like everybody does. As for the R vs L, yeah sure thing both sides are profiteers, but who is sane and reasonable these days wouldn't align himself with the right. Long story short, no body can argue with his main causes.
This video was brilliant, Adrian! I have never seen Dr. Mate’s comments on Peterson but I found them spot on and confirming. It seems that for Peterson the deep desire for order began aggravating his chaotic element and instead of alchemizing it, there seems to be a further suppression that is visible now. I’ve noticed the changes in Peterson’s facial expression - one can sense bitterness and anger (understandably so). Still deeply appreciate his brilliance and his role is bringing to light the polarization that’s happening all over the world at this time.
@@metamorphosis_77 I’ll check out the other intellectuals. I’m just familiar with Dr. Mate and from the beginning I was impressed at his emotional depth and intellect.
I'd be called a liberal atheist, and I've been riding the Jordan Peterson rollercoaster for what feels like an eternity. His intellectual gymnastics, courtesy of Maps of Meaning, totally wrecked my world view on religion, God, and perception. Gone are the days of my 13-year-old brand of atheism, handed down to me by the mighty Dawkins and Harris. I hate Peterson's love affair with Twitter and his tag-team championship with TDW. But, I firmly reject the notion that he's gone down a rabbit hole of ignorance. Nope, he's actually gone up a few levels. Case in point, his fascinating discussions with John Vervaeke post-TDW fusion. They dive headfirst into the epic battle between religion and atheism: do narratives precede perception, or is it facts that do. I once asked him myself, why on Earth he's cozying up to anti-woke-folks. Seems kinda counterproductive. He replied that the left-leaning crowd is ghosting his invite list, but he's not quitting. He's been chatting it up with folks who couldn't be more opposed to him, like Ellen Langer, Naomi Wolf, Hijab, Nawaz along with others (not debating, since he's quit them, thanks to their "win, don't discuss" nature). He's hanging out with the Machiavellian conservatives too much these days. And we should stay away from Machiavellians. But hey, it's the dominance of the fringe within the fringe within the fringe. They have done this to the best of us. Pushing them back needs not a team, though. It needs to eradicate the concept of 'teams' itself. Now, his development of "We Who Wrestle with God" includes his chats with Vervaeke, Huberman, and Friston. He's drilling even deeper into the bedrock he laid down with Maps of Meaning. Me? I'm here for every twist and turn of this wild ride.
I will agree that I have sensed a change in Jordan and suspected that he has been captured by audience. But I’m not convinced that Jordan’s rage isn’t manifest in an integrated way, which seems to be the argument made by the Gabor guy but I could be wrong since I’ve only seen that one clip.
Great analysis. I just came back to the community after a few years completely focusing on something else, but this video explain why Dr Peterson gives off this weird feeling recently. I thought it was me who changed.
This was a really great analysis! About 4 years ago I discovered Peterson through some "motivational" videos. He grabbed my attention really quickly. It was my first time I came "deeper" in touch with any of the topics he discusses. Since I'm no native english speaker I had my struggles understanding him in at first. But I can say that its really his "achievement" that I'm able to formulate comments like that. Anyways... Since my current belief is that he is right on so many things he is talking about, and you are someone who, at least you gave me the impression, are someone who looked at him a lot and are also pretty educated at his topics, I would really be interested in knowing if you think he is wrong on some topics and if so maybe let me know on which. Thank you so much!
Mainly about choosing sides (siding with conservatives) and being dogmatic on some topics (like religion and climate change). Other than that, I respect him a lot as an intellectual.
Okay interesting. I would agree with that. Let me say one other thing. If one shares his beliefs about freedom of speech, lining up with the conservatives actually somehow makes sense to me. Especially if you look at his actual maybe costly situation.@@metamorphosis_77
@@metamorphosis_77 I would much appreciate it if you could provide a link to that sound effect on youtube or anywhere, I tried to reverse-search it but couldn't find it. 🙏🙏
Well done man! This was a fair and informative analysis of the arc peterson is on. I've been a fan of his since 2016 and have noticed the change. I think the vile attacks he got from extremists, especially during a time of immense vulnerability (his wife had a cancer scare and he nearly died) made him crack. If he had stayed a professor and clinical psychologist he most probably would have been cancelled and his talent silenced forever. In choosing to join the daily wire and become an industry unto himself he renewes his survival both financially and cltturally im the culture war zeitgest/battlefield that is raging. Its a shame to some extent for sure. But more than anything its a sign of the times we live in. Like the egyptian mythology story it seems like he fought with seth and lost one eye. In the future hopefully he can place back his eye where it belongs and return to rule the kingdom with renewed intellectual energy. We all would benefit from that.
Spot on the absolute top comment here. You placed this so, so well! Without any bias, people forget the oppression Peterson will have/has from the "opposition". In his current stance, he has absolutely no choice but to survive (and thrive) by taking this decision. For good or bad..
I feel that in the “personal commentary” section of the video a false dichotomy was presented. From what I can tell, Jordan “chose to fight” woke authoritarianism because no one else was doing a good enough job at it at that moment in time. I’d assume he’d be fighting right wing authoritarianism just as strongly if the situation was flipped, and I wonder would you then claim he was a hidden leftist? Also to be against woke authoritarianism one doesn’t have to be a conservative. Also no left media company would work with him in all likelihood. Seems like a careful decision making on Jordan’s part to reach a larger audience, but the audience capture is a real danger by joining daily wire.
Problem is, he's not fighting right-ring authoritarianism at all, and it's a much bigger problem than "woke authoritarianism". The whole concept of "woke authoritarianism" or "post-modern neomarxism" is conservative propaganda, a boogeyman the right uses for moral grandstanding and scapegoating in order to consolidate their base. Clearly, Peterson is a conservative here.
@@michaelwu7678 given that Sam Harris is far from conservative and doesn’t see woke authoritarianism and post-modern neomarxisn as boogeymen, I suggest agreeing to disagree. I do however agree that he doesn’t do enough to call out the radical right.
@@danielzavalahuerta I think you can still believe in propaganda from a certain ideology without being part of that ideology. The point is that this "woke authoritarian" criticism originated from the alt-right in defense of their "traditionalist" values, and it gained traction due to fear-mongering and misinformation rather than any rational assessment. I'm not sure about Harris' reasons for believing in this, probably more to do with liberal values like freedom of speech rather than Peterson's obsession with gender norms and traditional social structures. Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that there's really nothing remotely authoritarian about what these right wing pundits are rallying against.
I think you made a good case for your position. But i can't agree with your conclusion. The mayor point of why Peterson seems so aggressive right now is in my observation a simly necessity. In a wold of mostly left media you simply can't expect to fight fair and win. Maybe you can make a case that there are simply no fair fights, but I thought that Peterson tried to fight faire and although he didn't lost but he also didn't win. My personal observation ist mostly this: i am most of time simply bored by his new content. Why? Because it is nothing new. I watched so much that i can easily predict his next sentence or topic. Very rarely i get new impulses. Like the exodus series or his talks with rogan or modern wisdom. Maybe you can relate too
I can can totally relate. I also feel that he became bitter because of the way left media treated him. But I would l love to get a straightforward answer from him one day. But maybe I misunderstood him from day 1.
I think he was always a conservatist, you can hear it in some of his older lecture .. some of his teachings had opinions and not neutral teachings. It had a side, a view point, a societal opinion. It's fine in itself but like you say, what I don't like is someone who passes their agenda and inner battle under an intelectual persona of .. neutral observation and wisdom. he can say what he want to say but he needs to assume what he is and not speak as though he is through because he is a professor and an intellectual etc
You said you read Maps Of Meaning. Yet you were not able to say something in your own words. You just read out a weak Wikipedia line!!! It was downhill from there. You fail to capture key points in your video. So I am surprised what the point of this video is. People who understand the subject do not need this video by you and people who do not understand this subject, or have taken an opposing stance to the subject at hand also do not need your video! Unless you made the video as a confession on how you see the subject and how your own understanding lies. Which is my guess. Any video with JPB garners clicks.
Quite a jump to conclusion at end of the video, just because he has some partnership with some companies on the right of the political spectrum, doesn't means he cannot control his anger and thus been used by "All evil right wingers", political neutrality does not mean unbiased, most likely only those conservative companies are open minded enough to cooperate with him despite he is a controversy figure and maybe they don't agree with each other.
Excellent video, thanks. A benzo addiction is a hell of a thing, I really feel for the man. I could never absorb his clear overuse of language, it always suggested that his ego was on one. As for his views each to their own.
Personally, I feel that Jordan Peterson is still good. But I notice one thing, that these days he tries to be an expert on everything, consequently, to a great degree, he has become a talking head! While I still look at and enjoy his material from time to time, I do feel that sometimes he ends up speaking about something thst he is not an expert in, as if he is and that would b best to be avoided. Of course being rich and famous loved and hated globally will affect anyone's personality for sure!
Heard about him. Listened to some videos. No thanks...not my cup of tea.Just me. I pick and choose what I hear. Evaluate ... keep/ discard. Never been into 'Gurus'. Guru I see in the mirror in the morning is quite enough.
Everything Jordan has to offer is the form of lectures and the book "Maps of meaning". That is an amazing piece of work. After the onslaught of his opponents and debilitating illness he has lost his edge. He became cynical to some extent. His tweets in support of Israel army's genocidal attacks on Gaza, his affiliation with Daily wires, and some other extreme ideas has made him lose repsect of his once fans.
It also seems quite clear that Jordan defends religion so strongly because he’s not convinced that you can derive an ought from an is, that seems to be the core of the issue. Is that proof of being religious? I see it as proof that he’s a scientist.
Great up until you decide what is wrong with Jordan and why he has changed and what path his rage has taken him on. Peterson loves Socrates Apology which explains your guests recognition of Petersons Rage. If you are angry remain focused and polite but DO NOT hide your rage, people deserve to know your truth, and if you are anyone at all you must stand by what you think is right. Peterson is religious and the world is trying to cleanse itself from it to a political prison. So he should be angry. Im angry and not religious. Anger rage, are emotions that our "WOKE" society demands us to strip from our selves. Peterson and his followers disagree. I have woken up several times in my life feeling like I had reached a pinacol of understanding only to have my entire collection of through's torn to shreds by a minor confrontation that morning. And the more I learn the longer it takes to put all my thoughts back in better order. Last time this happened I could not debate or offer advice for a month, I was broken. I am a simple person and I understand a high intellect may make it easier for people like Peterson, still I have no idea how genius can survive. Metamrphosis 77 I think your imperception's blurred your summary thoughts, but prior to the last 5 minutes I was hooked.
I am deaf and find captions extremely helpful. Unfortunately, using the CC option is not accurate. I have to sometimes guess what certain words are because it did not pick it or gave me a crazy word that completely changes the meaning of the message.
Everything Jordan has to offer is the form of lectures and the book "Maps of meaning". That is an amazing piece of work. After the onslaught of his opponents and debilitating illness he has lost his edge. He became cynical to some extent. His tweets in support of Israel army's genocidal attacks on Gaza, his affiliation with Daily wires, and some other extreme ideas has made him lose repsect of his once fans.
This vid is a masterpiece. It's a very solid synthesis of the issue, everything is put into context but always straight to the point.
thank you :))
Thanks for the video. I want to add my view on what you said to be the reason why Dr. Peterson changed.
I think both of the reason you said can be valid. The thing is, regardless of which one is the 'real' reason, Dr. Peterson, before his change, seemed to be putting efforts intentionally not to pick any side at all.
He was always vigilant against being framed in one ideological side and being misunderstood for what he had not said but typical ideologue would have said. He was trying hard to convey only what he believes to be true and nothing else. He deliberately avoided using some typical, generic terminology 'contaminated' by contemporary ideological warfare. He avoided being provocative, and tried to make his point by telling detailed stories and studies.
Nowadays he openly picks a certain side, clearly demonizes the other side, using ominous labels when calling them, and often gets outraged like you depicted in this video. I think he gave up the effort needed to avoid getting misunderstood. In my opinion, he seems to be rallying his allies to smite the wrong-doing enemies.
Clinical, scholarly side of him had made him to help and guide people, hypothetically making him cover his strong political view, but enough persecution or attack against him, and it has been fierce, made him jump from the neutral ground to the safe, fortified army of conservatives.
amazing comment
This is very true, and I can't really blame him either. He suffered a lot of persecution from the far left even while trying to remain on neutral ground.
Thanks for the video, I'm happy someone has addressed this. I also used to find his lectures very interesting, but following his recovery something certainly changed. Before I felt like I was listening to a psychologist, whilst now he just sounds like a conservative activist. He studied the horrors of the 20th century and built a very interesting philosophical view, which was mostly non-political and non-religious. But now those views and his psychology contributions have largely been taken over by politics and religion, which I think have diminished his intellectual honesty and have led me to lose interest in what he has to say. I didn't following him for shallow political punditry, but rather to listen about his takes on the field he is an expert on. It's a shame really, but what can you do.
How does this video not even have 5K views? This is a masterpiece, great work.
thanks
i too observed this transformation and was deeply confused at first and then when i confirmed my suspicion, was deeply disappointed. Sad what tribalism does to people. I watch his old lectures as if he were a different person, and still enjoy who he was or at least appeared to be. Who he is now doesn't change much of what i got out of them, but it certainly has an underlying sadness for me now.... life is hard, and takes toll on us all...
thanks for the wonderful content my friend...
Thank you for this. I read his books and enjoyed his lectures. After his illness, he seemed different. Can’t pinpoint the change, but it was a “ temperament/ energy shift. These days, the multiple daily posts, interests in reaching a mass audience, speaks to a different intention. I miss the Professor.
Absolutely agree! I wasn’t mindful of what he had going on but I did notice a huge energetic change for the worse.
likewise
I think it is pretty clear, he cashed in. Some months ago i past by one of his youtube channels, and i saw it. I was pretty surprised. He is monetizing all typs of things. For me personally it is pretty clear that he was always right conservative, but non the less i always loved his interpretation of old myths. But maybe it is also about the fact that he has nothing else to say honestly, at least nothing else i care about. You could also speculate about his intellectual abilities after all his trauma stuff.
Really insightful video! I especially appreciated the clips documenting JBP’s origin and ascent.
The one thing I wish you had shown more was footage/content from his post-illness turn toward partisan politics (eg. his joining Daily Wire+). I think this would have been really helpful for better demonstrating the contrast/shift between “Professor Peterson,” say, and “Partisan Peterson.” Perhaps you could dive into this in a future video?
Again though, great video all in all!
I get the feeling that the later Peterson crafted a very well orchestrated persona around him, cause of the fear of being exposed to his own doubts and shadow side. Very aware of the power of his image, wearing expensive suits, appearing fit and with a fresh haircut, but at the sametime not so clear anymore in the mind. His words sound a bit lost; wondering around in his self-created maze of smoke and mirrors.
It is a pity, but someway understandable with his meteoric rise to fame and stardom in such a short time-span, and the public attention that comes with it.
All those millions of young people that look up at him, and all those critics that try to bring you down, demanding you to pick one side, cause it makes it easier chewable in the public story.
You must also take in account, his background is practical psychology, and not pure philosophy (having a more distant position in the world, like Zizek or Harris(neuroscience), standing further away from concrete reality). Therefore he provides another kind of knowledge-view, which I very much appreciated.
These discussions between all the big personailties are never really constructive. Its like a shoot-out, but they are all targeting imaginaty characters. Approaching problems from their own field of specializations, completely channeling out the wider view. They forget so often who they have in front of them. Cause that is someone who comes with a completely other way of perceiving.
A deaf person trying to convince a blind person, that what he hears is the real truth. Even Gabor Mate, the physician educator. He has a point, but it is not the complete story, although he believes so.
At the moment Peterson is far away from the careless, free, but passionate person he portraited before. Visible in the lecture series he gave in a random classroom in Toronto. Walking around in unfashionable clothes, drinking coke, taking it serious, but not too serious.
Thank you for the video, it is very well done, analytically as well stylistically.
25:20 fascinating analysis
Jordan Peterson is a human being like all of us and as a human being he makes mistakes like everyone of us.
He has taken to much weight on his shoulders and he pays the price.
Gabor Mate and Jordan Peterson are both great teachers and healers, both use the language of healing but in different words.
O gift to the world, both of them.
So true
Jordan Peterson uses the language of destruction as well, and the reason why he self-destructed so spectacularly is an important lesson for everyone who keeps tabs on this space
Finally people are seeing this. I had noticed his radical change of "Public" perspective. I have wondered if he always held the hardline conservative and religious beliefs but simply hid them to become popular or did his views change. I want to believe he changed or was changed while at rock bottom by some religious/conservative influence. (Or maybe swayed by money offered by the Right.) I wonder because I had a family member who was super liberal and during a trip to rehab came out a Christian Missionary, a literal traveling missionary. He went from believing in an infinite universe and massive personal freedom to became an unbending believer of nothing but a 6000 year biblically defined universe. In his case it lasted for about 10 years and eventually lead him to be abusive to his wife (justified by scripture), and then relapsed to drugs. If that is the case with Peterson it is chilling to think how a brilliant and curious mind can be reshaped under stress. Also keep an eye on Sam Harris (and a few other intellectuals), he has now tripped all the way into humans have no free will, which either leaves one with nihilism or God (an invisible guiding hand).
once you see you can't unsee
That's another one I've lost faith in.
Wtf is happening to these guys!?
@@IanTula Perhaps our limitations are not guiding us towards the understandings they already got through their evinced contributions? Perhaps this disguised youngster passion constantly confronts us and cause us to forget that we know nothing? However, being on the way, accepting the journey is what makes us fill our hard drive and increase our perplexity's capture of this algorithm with latent patterns that life is. Come on, there are still some tires to burn until we get there.
One of a kind. When he went down , found not many were actually around him, and probably footed his health bill alone, he finally realized what some of us did after long thought and some life experience: the people loves drama, propaganda, and flows with their desires whether good or evil. Of course he realized then he's on his own after all, so why not takes a middle ground in what he believes while making a profit out of it like everybody does.
As for the R vs L, yeah sure thing both sides are profiteers, but who is sane and reasonable these days wouldn't align himself with the right.
Long story short, no body can argue with his main causes.
This video was brilliant, Adrian! I have never seen Dr. Mate’s comments on Peterson but I found them spot on and confirming. It seems that for Peterson the deep desire for order began aggravating his chaotic element and instead of alchemizing it, there seems to be a further suppression that is visible now. I’ve noticed the changes in Peterson’s facial expression - one can sense bitterness and anger (understandably so).
Still deeply appreciate his brilliance and his role is bringing to light the polarization that’s happening all over the world at this time.
Mate is a gift to the world. Mate, Sapolski, Harris, Zizek and Deutsch. Best intellectuals of our time.
@@metamorphosis_77 I’ll check out the other intellectuals. I’m just familiar with Dr. Mate and from the beginning I was impressed at his emotional depth and intellect.
I'd be called a liberal atheist, and I've been riding the Jordan Peterson rollercoaster for what feels like an eternity. His intellectual gymnastics, courtesy of Maps of Meaning, totally wrecked my world view on religion, God, and perception. Gone are the days of my 13-year-old brand of atheism, handed down to me by the mighty Dawkins and Harris.
I hate Peterson's love affair with Twitter and his tag-team championship with TDW. But, I firmly reject the notion that he's gone down a rabbit hole of ignorance. Nope, he's actually gone up a few levels. Case in point, his fascinating discussions with John Vervaeke post-TDW fusion. They dive headfirst into the epic battle between religion and atheism: do narratives precede perception, or is it facts that do.
I once asked him myself, why on Earth he's cozying up to anti-woke-folks. Seems kinda counterproductive. He replied that the left-leaning crowd is ghosting his invite list, but he's not quitting. He's been chatting it up with folks who couldn't be more opposed to him, like Ellen Langer, Naomi Wolf, Hijab, Nawaz along with others (not debating, since he's quit them, thanks to their "win, don't discuss" nature).
He's hanging out with the Machiavellian conservatives too much these days. And we should stay away from Machiavellians. But hey, it's the dominance of the fringe within the fringe within the fringe. They have done this to the best of us. Pushing them back needs not a team, though. It needs to eradicate the concept of 'teams' itself.
Now, his development of "We Who Wrestle with God" includes his chats with Vervaeke, Huberman, and Friston. He's drilling even deeper into the bedrock he laid down with Maps of Meaning. Me? I'm here for every twist and turn of this wild ride.
I will agree that I have sensed a change in Jordan and suspected that he has been captured by audience.
But I’m not convinced that Jordan’s rage isn’t manifest in an integrated way, which seems to be the argument made by the Gabor guy but I could be wrong since I’ve only seen that one clip.
Great analysis. I just came back to the community after a few years completely focusing on something else, but this video explain why Dr Peterson gives off this weird feeling recently. I thought it was me who changed.
This was a really great analysis! About 4 years ago I discovered Peterson through some "motivational" videos.
He grabbed my attention really quickly. It was my first time I came "deeper" in touch with any of the topics he discusses.
Since I'm no native english speaker I had my struggles understanding him in at first. But I can say that its really his "achievement" that I'm able to formulate comments like that.
Anyways... Since my current belief is that he is right on so many things he is talking about, and you are someone who, at least you gave me the impression, are someone who looked at him a lot and are also pretty educated at his topics, I would really be interested in knowing if you think he is wrong on some topics and if so maybe let me know on which. Thank you so much!
Mainly about choosing sides (siding with conservatives) and being dogmatic on some topics (like religion and climate change). Other than that, I respect him a lot as an intellectual.
Okay interesting. I would agree with that. Let me say one other thing. If one shares his beliefs about freedom of speech, lining up with the conservatives actually somehow makes sense to me. Especially if you look at his actual maybe costly situation.@@metamorphosis_77
Can you please tell the name of the background music between 17:10 to 23:00?
It's a dreamy sound effect.
@@metamorphosis_77 I would much appreciate it if you could provide a link to that sound effect on youtube or anywhere, I tried to reverse-search it but couldn't find it. 🙏🙏
Well done man! This was a fair and informative analysis of the arc peterson is on. I've been a fan of his since 2016 and have noticed the change. I think the vile attacks he got from extremists, especially during a time of immense vulnerability (his wife had a cancer scare and he nearly died) made him crack. If he had stayed a professor and clinical psychologist he most probably would have been cancelled and his talent silenced forever. In choosing to join the daily wire and become an industry unto himself he renewes his survival both financially and cltturally im the culture war zeitgest/battlefield that is raging. Its a shame to some extent for sure. But more than anything its a sign of the times we live in. Like the egyptian mythology story it seems like he fought with seth and lost one eye. In the future hopefully he can place back his eye where it belongs and return to rule the kingdom with renewed intellectual energy. We all would benefit from that.
Spot on the absolute top comment here. You placed this so, so well! Without any bias, people forget the oppression Peterson will have/has from the "opposition".
In his current stance, he has absolutely no choice but to survive (and thrive) by taking this decision. For good or bad..
@@marcusscipio9483 thanks man. It really came from the heart.
Excellent comment
wow u added subliminal messages
The man isn't an intellectual, he's a talented sophist.
lol
I kind of agree with that. He's smart but somethings off.
nietzche would tell you sophistry is underrated and besmirched
I feel that in the “personal commentary” section of the video a false dichotomy was presented.
From what I can tell, Jordan “chose to fight” woke authoritarianism because no one else was doing a good enough job at it at that moment in time.
I’d assume he’d be fighting right wing authoritarianism just as strongly if the situation was flipped, and I wonder would you then claim he was a hidden leftist?
Also to be against woke authoritarianism one doesn’t have to be a conservative.
Also no left media company would work with him in all likelihood.
Seems like a careful decision making on Jordan’s part to reach a larger audience, but the audience capture is a real danger by joining daily wire.
Problem is, he's not fighting right-ring authoritarianism at all, and it's a much bigger problem than "woke authoritarianism".
The whole concept of "woke authoritarianism" or "post-modern neomarxism" is conservative propaganda, a boogeyman the right uses for moral grandstanding and scapegoating in order to consolidate their base. Clearly, Peterson is a conservative here.
@@michaelwu7678 given that Sam Harris is far from conservative and doesn’t see woke authoritarianism and post-modern neomarxisn as boogeymen, I suggest agreeing to disagree.
I do however agree that he doesn’t do enough to call out the radical right.
@@danielzavalahuerta I think you can still believe in propaganda from a certain ideology without being part of that ideology. The point is that this "woke authoritarian" criticism originated from the alt-right in defense of their "traditionalist" values, and it gained traction due to fear-mongering and misinformation rather than any rational assessment.
I'm not sure about Harris' reasons for believing in this, probably more to do with liberal values like freedom of speech rather than Peterson's obsession with gender norms and traditional social structures.
Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that there's really nothing remotely authoritarian about what these right wing pundits are rallying against.
I think you made a good case for your position. But i can't agree with your conclusion.
The mayor point of why Peterson seems so aggressive right now is in my observation a simly necessity. In a wold of mostly left media you simply can't expect to fight fair and win. Maybe you can make a case that there are simply no fair fights, but I thought that Peterson tried to fight faire and although he didn't lost but he also didn't win.
My personal observation ist mostly this: i am most of time simply bored by his new content. Why? Because it is nothing new. I watched so much that i can easily predict his next sentence or topic. Very rarely i get new impulses. Like the exodus series or his talks with rogan or modern wisdom.
Maybe you can relate too
I can can totally relate. I also feel that he became bitter because of the way left media treated him. But I would l love to get a straightforward answer from him one day. But maybe I misunderstood him from day 1.
I think he was always a conservatist, you can hear it in some of his older lecture .. some of his teachings had opinions and not neutral teachings. It had a side, a view point, a societal opinion. It's fine in itself but like you say, what I don't like is someone who passes their agenda and inner battle under an intelectual persona of .. neutral observation and wisdom. he can say what he want to say but he needs to assume what he is and not speak as though he is through because he is a professor and an intellectual etc
I want to be your friend, Metamorphosis
me too
I believe you can figure it out ❤
You said you read Maps Of Meaning. Yet you were not able to say something in your own words. You just read out a weak Wikipedia line!!! It was downhill from there. You fail to capture key points in your video. So I am surprised what the point of this video is. People who understand the subject do not need this video by you and people who do not understand this subject, or have taken an opposing stance to the subject at hand also do not need your video! Unless you made the video as a confession on how you see the subject and how your own understanding lies. Which is my guess. Any video with JPB garners clicks.
Quite a jump to conclusion at end of the video, just because he has some partnership with some companies on the right of the political spectrum, doesn't means he cannot control his anger and thus been used by "All evil right wingers", political neutrality does not mean unbiased, most likely only those conservative companies are open minded enough to cooperate with him despite he is a controversy figure and maybe they don't agree with each other.
I think that he has a point, any form of extremism is dangerous, and I can understand the way that he is going, just look at Canada, Pride, etc.
Thanks for making this video. I learned something today. Can you really kick a benzo addiction, without simplifying your life?
I suspect part of his problem is a deep inner conflict over his very messed-up daughter.
Peterson uses to mamy words just reling you basiecally to clean your room. Seems like guru o a cult.
Excellent video, thanks. A benzo addiction is a hell of a thing, I really feel for the man. I could never absorb his clear overuse of language, it always suggested that his ego was on one. As for his views each to their own.
true
Personally, I feel that Jordan Peterson is still good. But I notice one thing, that these days he tries to be an expert on everything, consequently, to a great degree, he has become a talking head!
While I still look at and enjoy his material from time to time, I do feel that sometimes he ends up speaking about something thst he is not an expert in, as if he is and that would b best to be avoided.
Of course being rich and famous loved and hated globally will affect anyone's personality for sure!
Heard about him.
Listened to some videos.
No thanks...not my cup of tea.Just me. I pick and choose what I hear. Evaluate ... keep/ discard.
Never been into 'Gurus'. Guru I see in the mirror in the morning is quite enough.
Petersen pre maps of meaning = brilliant
Post = GRIFTER
Everything Jordan has to offer is the form of lectures and the book "Maps of meaning". That is an amazing piece of work.
After the onslaught of his opponents and debilitating illness he has lost his edge. He became cynical to some extent. His tweets in support of Israel army's genocidal attacks on Gaza, his affiliation with Daily wires, and some other extreme ideas has made him lose repsect of his once fans.
Peterson talks a lot about things he knows nothing about...a conduit for misinformation :/
It also seems quite clear that Jordan defends religion so strongly because he’s not convinced that you can derive an ought from an is, that seems to be the core of the issue.
Is that proof of being religious? I see it as proof that he’s a scientist.
Great up until you decide what is wrong with Jordan and why he has changed and what path his rage has taken him on. Peterson loves Socrates Apology which explains your guests recognition of Petersons Rage. If you are angry remain focused and polite but DO NOT hide your rage, people deserve to know your truth, and if you are anyone at all you must stand by what you think is right. Peterson is religious and the world is trying to cleanse itself from it to a political prison. So he should be angry. Im angry and not religious. Anger rage, are emotions that our "WOKE" society demands us to strip from our selves. Peterson and his followers disagree. I have woken up several times in my life feeling like I had reached a pinacol of understanding only to have my entire collection of through's torn to shreds by a minor confrontation that morning. And the more I learn the longer it takes to put all my thoughts back in better order. Last time this happened I could not debate or offer advice for a month, I was broken. I am a simple person and I understand a high intellect may make it easier for people like Peterson, still I have no idea how genius can survive. Metamrphosis 77 I think your imperception's blurred your summary thoughts, but prior to the last 5 minutes I was hooked.
captions are annoying
noted
@@metamorphosis_77 I disagree, I love captions!
I am deaf and find captions extremely helpful. Unfortunately, using the CC option is not accurate. I have to sometimes guess what certain words are because it did not pick it or gave me a crazy word that completely changes the meaning of the message.
Everything Jordan has to offer is the form of lectures and the book "Maps of meaning". That is an amazing piece of work.
After the onslaught of his opponents and debilitating illness he has lost his edge. He became cynical to some extent. His tweets in support of Israel army's genocidal attacks on Gaza, his affiliation with Daily wires, and some other extreme ideas has made him lose repsect of his once fans.