Two different type of machines. KTM freeride is more a Mx and hare scramble bike than a bike you would take on single track mountain bike trails. The Drill One is much lighter and faster.
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWKThe stark varge is a straight up dirt bike though. It's not something you can ride around everywhere. It's a dirt bike that you bring to a track and ride. Different categories in my opinion.
The Surron is small and that‘s why your back cramps up but the geometry of the Surron is great! If Surron would offer a bigger frame, you could and would appreciate the geometry.
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 would be a interesting comparison then I think with fox 40 gd brakes 72v and riser bars as the power would be the same just have to find a suitable tire for traction
@@benswift218 agreed, I would like to test that. I do feel the Sur Ron frame flexes a lot and feels small, im 6'2 maybe that why im liking the drill a little more
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 defo I think the sur Ron stock should only be for 5ft 10 maximum if u look up Sur Ron shop there are things to lift the bike seat height and lower pegs and riser bars might help but the drill is defo to good/expensive to have a gd comparison
Even with all the upgrades I put on my Sur Ron. 72v battery, controller. Fox shocks. Rims, tires. Spent 6 grand on top of the Sur Ron Price tag. Its nothing like My Drill One. My Sur Ron is now just fast and sloppy and falling apart. The Drill One is fast and tight like a Swiss watch compared to the Sur Ron being a like a high end casio watch, lol.
I have been looking at modded sur ron with bac8000/72v set up with 16/19 mx rim/tyre combo. Then I found the drill one, which sounds and looks perfect. However, I’ve been told that upgrading to a 72v battery pack and changing controllers etc on the drill one is impossible. And, one last question have you had any motor overheating issues or anything? I fkn love the idea of the drill one and really would want to be able to upgrade the battery pack to 72v
You hit the nail on the head there mate I had both bac 4000 surron spent thousands on it like the drill more ended up selling ron an keeping drill jus a better ride init 💪👍
hey Farmer Fpv, just curious how tall are you? i was wondering if you would still feel that way if you were 5'4" 150lbs like me. i am already worried that the surron standover height might be too tall for comfort.
Its size has nothing to do with price.Not having regen is crazy at that price point also,you can NOT beat a well setup regen.The Drill really is a great bike but 15k is a silly price tbh.The cake at 13k comes with ohlins front and rear and better brakes.Also the Drill is loud and some of the fit and finish is not great.Cut down mx rear mudguard , electrics slapped on top of the battery shell.For the quality you could make the sur-ron with another 10k would far out shine the Drill and help it with peg and seat frame extension would give the feel of a bigger machine.Would i pay 15k for either?No bloody chance lol id go for the ktm freeride EVERY single time.Either way great seeing more compare not comparing vids on the two.
How can anybody answer that? Lots of variables to consider. The Drill One Evo, In normal trail riding conditions it gets 2.5 hours of time on the battery.
i think you can make the Sur Ron better with a few grand extra and would still be thousands cheaper but you will have the top notch parts you need right away with no more upgrades you need and alot less money you would spend than getting the Drill One and still have to modify the Drill on top of its over all cost.
If you drive small short distances ok. But in the Surron you can put in a bigger battery, so a 5cm taller battery gives you not 30km of full throttle driving but 100km of driving using the Sanyo GA. And unfortunately for me here the Surron wins, because I prefer more than 3:30h of fun on full throttle.
@@benswift218 the stock sur ron bike can reach 60 miles if you go litterally 1 mph the whole way. So juat imgaine the upgraded battery. On sur ronsters video of his upgrades he said on stock wattage he can get close to 100 miles
@@tintin6291 this has so many depending factors tho mate like temperature weight of rider smaller sprockets put less strain on the motor and gives u more miles
@@benswift218 yeah im aware. Im just saying that you could get a lot of range out of the stock bike and the upgraded battery will give you well over 60 miles On my stock bike i put heavier tires and tubes and im still able to get to Manhattan from brooklyn and back. That trip is around 20 miles With the stock bike without the tires and tubes i was making it to the city in 30% which means i would be able to get close to 30 miles on sport mode and then the advertised 40 + miles on eco
yes, issues is you need to do the seat lift, peg lower, riser bars, asi controller, bigger wheels/tyres to get close to the drill one....not sure what is the best option.
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 as someone that’s actively running through these mods I think if you are savvy with your sourcing, you can do the whole lot for under a Drill One. As you mentioned in your video! Thanks for sharing your insights :)
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 i think it all depends. Do you want a bike that you can get for cheap and ride now and upgrade later. Or ride later without needing to upgrade. Either way dropping a whole 10k is a lot for a bike. Theoretically you can buy two stock sur rona. One for you and your mate and still have money left over to get brand new tires and extra goodies for both sur rons
Bmx riders generally don’t bomb down big cliffs and/or hit high speed whoops... they generally stick to tighter areas and lower speeds... but they are some of the most incredibly talented guys out there.
I have no issues driving 50 MPH on the sur-ron. The sur-ron handles great at slower speeds and very agile. I don't think I would give up the agility for a top speed which I don't need.
Listen, truth is the drill one overheats like a bitch. Expensive doesn’t generally means better overall. I had the drill one and I have a sur ron, never had an issue with my sur Ron. Had it for 2 and a half years. Had the drill one for almost a year, overheating problem limits the fun of the bike.
Apple to apple , is like dirt bike to dirt bike , or Ima wrong ? This comparaison is for people wanting to buy the best price/performance/fun and the Surron wins hand's down
Being a Sur Ron owner, having put $1000+ into it, it is STILL OVERPRICED. The entire suspension and wheels and bars and controller and footrests need to be replaced on the Sur Ron. The only benefit on the e-bike is I can sneak into trails where I can't ride my 450 dirtbike. Which is the better bike? Yes throw $3000-4000 into the Sur Ron and it would be comparable to the Drill One. I paid $4000 USD for my Sur Ron. I'm already at over $1500 and haven't even upgraded the rear shock, wheels OR controller, nevermind battery. I'm still needing $2000-3000 to do those mods. At that point I will have $8000 into the Sur Ron.
Still less than a drill one and once you do those upgrades its actually faster and longer lasting than the drill one. On top of that what you get eith the stock sur ron is pretty reliable. I got mine for 3,600 and did a couple of minor upgrades and now im down around 4k. I got a bang of a buck because inuse this bike for eveything. Dirt. Jumps. Skateparks. Climbing stairs. Hard trails. And commuting
@@tintin6291 I come from mtb background and I can only say the suspension is the worse I have ever had 300£ forks on a 4000£ bike doesn’t add up I personally feel that the inner tubes and tires need a instant upgrade as I had pinch flats at low psi. Also the breaks aren’t great but a cheap fix was Shimano pads I feel like they should make another sur Ron with legit branded forks foot pegs and breaks and just sell it for more as it needs 2000£ worth of upgrades to complete with nearly any emoto
@@benswift218 the value ia in the frame. Battery and controller. Thats ehat really sets it apart. Off the line im faster than any dirt bike i ran into so far. Trust me i wouldve loved better forks but for what it gave me personally it was a good value because like i said im jumping with it. Hitting hard trails etc and doing just fine
@@tintin6291 what dirt bikes are u faster then ? Also I have raced 250s 4 strokes 2strokes and the all beat any sur Ron off the line with a gd launch. This is because they have around 4/7 X the power and also traction. the stock controller make the bikes max 0-30 0-45 mph slower than any 250cc dirt bike on the market. For instance a Kx 250 crf 250 and Even a yz125 get to 30 mph quicker than a stock sur Ron and get to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds. I have launched my sur Ron stock agenst a yz250 and I can tell u there is no way I’m betting it as my 0-30 stock is around 5 secs the same as every 250cc dirt bike 0-50mph
ua-cam.com/video/X7vH1u0mKGA/v-deo.html I have this battery and this is why I love my Segway. This guy did 121 miles. I’ve ridden a few drill ones and they’ve all overheated on me after 10-15 minutes… have you found a way to beat that problem? Might be because I’m heavier but I’m only 230. Not sure why but the 2 I’ve ridden have had less than 200 miles on them and just burn out trying to keep up with the BAC4000 and 8000 surrons
I would love to compare a cake, problem is, there are not many around, they seem like they may be the best built bike, but close to 20kaud. I didn't compare a stealth because they have peddles, for me, that makes them a different category. I am shooting some videos where we compare, SEM, BOXX, stealth.
Another brilliantly produced fair and critiqued video from this channel. They tick so many boxes .. well done again Hicks Family ✅
🤙Good lord!
Understandable about price, definitely! But all the specs, prices small and large differences in one small vid!
😊 Thank you!
Surron - spare parts availability, price and easy upgrades
Drill - An expensive unknown right now.
What’s up buddy, great video 💪💪
Thanks
The Drill is in the price range with a KTM E Freeride which seems like a much better bang for your buck.
I agree, but KTM is double the weight.
Two different type of machines. KTM freeride is more a Mx and hare scramble bike than a bike you would take on single track mountain bike trails. The Drill One is much lighter and faster.
Ktm not comparable because of the weight
Thats a straight up dirt bike bro...... Lame. Want a fast E-Dirt bike order the Stark Varg with 930 NW of TQ. Make the KTM look like a pedal bike.
@@TENNESSEETRACKHAWKThe stark varge is a straight up dirt bike though. It's not something you can ride around everywhere. It's a dirt bike that you bring to a track and ride. Different categories in my opinion.
Which one has a better range doing the same trails?
just get a bac 8000 and 72v and you will save money
GREAT VIDEO
The title should be : "A 3 grand Sur Ron vs a 10 grand drill One"
Yeah your right 3 years ago the surrons were only 3 grand.
Is anyone aware of the Drill one having any overheating issues? Particularly in Australia?
Sold mine because it overheat so much
Have u had any over heating problems with the drill one
Finally someone honest. Thank you.
What about In term of battery life? Are they comparable? The drill one looks like it can last much less longer
The Surron is small and that‘s why your back cramps up but the geometry of the Surron is great! If Surron would offer a bigger frame, you could and would appreciate the geometry.
A new Standard for EMX should be setup among manufacturers, so End Users could mix and match components like swapping MTB Parts
@@MrHqyang what a wonderful idea
Is it worth buying one?
Exactly if u spent another 10000£ on the sur Ron ud be close to the drill one. Have u got ped extenders riser bars ? This would help geometry
agreed, no I haven't spent a cent on Sur Ron as yet, im deciding to spend money modding or make the jump to a drill one....
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 would be a interesting comparison then I think with fox 40 gd brakes 72v and riser bars as the power would be the same just have to find a suitable tire for traction
@@benswift218 agreed, I would like to test that. I do feel the Sur Ron frame flexes a lot and feels small, im 6'2 maybe that why im liking the drill a little more
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 defo I think the sur Ron stock should only be for 5ft 10 maximum if u look up Sur Ron shop there are things to lift the bike seat height and lower pegs and riser bars might help but the drill is defo to good/expensive to have a gd comparison
I think the better comparison might be the Drill One vs the Cake?
Even with all the upgrades I put on my Sur Ron. 72v battery, controller. Fox shocks. Rims, tires. Spent 6 grand on top of the Sur Ron Price tag. Its nothing like My Drill One. My Sur Ron is now just fast and sloppy and falling apart. The Drill One is fast and tight like a Swiss watch compared to the Sur Ron being a like a high end casio watch, lol.
I have been looking at modded sur ron with bac8000/72v set up with 16/19 mx rim/tyre combo. Then I found the drill one, which sounds and looks perfect. However, I’ve been told that upgrading to a 72v battery pack and changing controllers etc on the drill one is impossible. And, one last question have you had any motor overheating issues or anything?
I fkn love the idea of the drill one and really would want to be able to upgrade the battery pack to 72v
You hit the nail on the head there mate I had both bac 4000 surron spent thousands on it like the drill more ended up selling ron an keeping drill jus a better ride init 💪👍
hey Farmer Fpv, just curious how tall are you? i was wondering if you would still feel that way if you were 5'4" 150lbs like me. i am already worried that the surron standover height might be too tall for comfort.
Its size has nothing to do with price.Not having regen is crazy at that price point also,you can NOT beat a well setup regen.The Drill really is a great bike but 15k is a silly price tbh.The cake at 13k comes with ohlins front and rear and better brakes.Also the Drill is loud and some of the fit and finish is not great.Cut down mx rear mudguard , electrics slapped on top of the battery shell.For the quality you could make the sur-ron with another 10k would far out shine the Drill and help it with peg and seat frame extension would give the feel of a bigger machine.Would i pay 15k for either?No bloody chance lol id go for the ktm freeride EVERY single time.Either way great seeing more compare not comparing vids on the two.
Actually drill is $14k aust and cake calk is $25k Australia .. drill does have regen. 😐
regen is overrated
@@salesebmx4696 yer my bad....the drill dose have regen
@@T-Sav I agree, I think what you get in return for the extra weight isn't worth it.
@@salesebmx4696 Im the right side of the pond so in pounds lol
You didn't mention: is there a difference between the batteries ? Do they stand a 2 hours enduro ride (average level) ? a 3 hours enduro ride ?
How can anybody answer that? Lots of variables to consider. The Drill One Evo, In normal trail riding conditions it gets 2.5 hours of time on the battery.
Good shit
i think you can make the Sur Ron better with a few grand extra and would still be thousands cheaper but you will have the top notch parts you need right away with no more upgrades you need and alot less money you would spend than getting the Drill One and still have to modify the Drill on top of its over all cost.
If you drive small short distances ok. But in the Surron you can put in a bigger battery, so a 5cm taller battery gives you not 30km of full throttle driving but 100km of driving using the Sanyo GA. And unfortunately for me here the Surron wins, because I prefer more than 3:30h of fun on full throttle.
What battery gives u 63 miles ? Also are u running 13kw ? Would have to be a lot of ah for that range going over 50 mph
@@benswift218 the stock sur ron bike can reach 60 miles if you go litterally 1 mph the whole way. So juat imgaine the upgraded battery.
On sur ronsters video of his upgrades he said on stock wattage he can get close to 100 miles
@@tintin6291 this has so many depending factors tho mate like temperature weight of rider smaller sprockets put less strain on the motor and gives u more miles
@@tintin6291 a 42 ah battery ridden normally will probably give u 40 miles
@@benswift218 yeah im aware. Im just saying that you could get a lot of range out of the stock bike and the upgraded battery will give you well over 60 miles
On my stock bike i put heavier tires and tubes and im still able to get to Manhattan from brooklyn and back. That trip is around 20 miles
With the stock bike without the tires and tubes i was making it to the city in 30% which means i would be able to get close to 30 miles on sport mode and then the advertised 40 + miles on eco
you can get a lift kit for the sur ron
yes, issues is you need to do the seat lift, peg lower, riser bars, asi controller, bigger wheels/tyres to get close to the drill one....not sure what is the best option.
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 as someone that’s actively running through these mods I think if you are savvy with your sourcing, you can do the whole lot for under a Drill One. As you mentioned in your video! Thanks for sharing your insights :)
@@hicksfamilyadventures7757 i think it all depends. Do you want a bike that you can get for cheap and ride now and upgrade later. Or ride later without needing to upgrade. Either way dropping a whole 10k is a lot for a bike. Theoretically you can buy two stock sur rona. One for you and your mate and still have money left over to get brand new tires and extra goodies for both sur rons
I wish the wheel base was longer on both. They both seem too short for good stability
tell that to bmx riders
Bmx riders generally don’t bomb down big cliffs and/or hit high speed whoops... they generally stick to tighter areas and lower speeds... but they are some of the most incredibly talented guys out there.
I have no issues driving 50 MPH on the sur-ron. The sur-ron handles great at slower speeds and very agile. I don't think I would give up the agility for a top speed which I don't need.
You can buy extended swingarms
Listen, truth is the drill one overheats like a bitch. Expensive doesn’t generally means better overall. I had the drill one and I have a sur ron, never had an issue with my sur Ron. Had it for 2 and a half years. Had the drill one for almost a year, overheating problem limits the fun of the bike.
Apple to apple , is like dirt bike to dirt bike , or Ima wrong ? This comparaison is for people wanting to buy the best price/performance/fun and the Surron wins hand's down
Ride faster if it feels too stiff.
It's same bike but different in power out the box
Not even close
Being a Sur Ron owner, having put $1000+ into it, it is STILL OVERPRICED. The entire suspension and wheels and bars and controller and footrests need to be replaced on the Sur Ron. The only benefit on the e-bike is I can sneak into trails where I can't ride my 450 dirtbike. Which is the better bike? Yes throw $3000-4000 into the Sur Ron and it would be comparable to the Drill One. I paid $4000 USD for my Sur Ron. I'm already at over $1500 and haven't even upgraded the rear shock, wheels OR controller, nevermind battery. I'm still needing $2000-3000 to do those mods. At that point I will have $8000 into the Sur Ron.
Still less than a drill one and once you do those upgrades its actually faster and longer lasting than the drill one. On top of that what you get eith the stock sur ron is pretty reliable. I got mine for 3,600 and did a couple of minor upgrades and now im down around 4k. I got a bang of a buck because inuse this bike for eveything. Dirt. Jumps. Skateparks. Climbing stairs. Hard trails. And commuting
@@tintin6291 I come from mtb background and I can only say the suspension is the worse I have ever had 300£ forks on a 4000£ bike doesn’t add up I personally feel that the inner tubes and tires need a instant upgrade as I had pinch flats at low psi. Also the breaks aren’t great but a cheap fix was Shimano pads I feel like they should make another sur Ron with legit branded forks foot pegs and breaks and just sell it for more as it needs 2000£ worth of upgrades to complete with nearly any emoto
@@benswift218 the value ia in the frame. Battery and controller. Thats ehat really sets it apart. Off the line im faster than any dirt bike i ran into so far. Trust me i wouldve loved better forks but for what it gave me personally it was a good value because like i said im jumping with it. Hitting hard trails etc and doing just fine
@@tintin6291 what dirt bikes are u faster then ? Also I have raced 250s 4 strokes 2strokes and the all beat any sur Ron off the line with a gd launch. This is because they have around 4/7 X the power and also traction. the stock controller make the bikes max 0-30 0-45 mph slower than any 250cc dirt bike on the market. For instance a Kx 250 crf 250 and Even a yz125 get to 30 mph quicker than a stock sur Ron and get to 60 mph in less than 6 seconds. I have launched my sur Ron stock agenst a yz250 and I can tell u there is no way I’m betting it as my 0-30 stock is around 5 secs the same as every 250cc dirt bike 0-50mph
@@tintin6291 it’s a physical impossibility unless the bikes are both turned off on the line ?
ua-cam.com/video/X7vH1u0mKGA/v-deo.html I have this battery and this is why I love my Segway. This guy did 121 miles. I’ve ridden a few drill ones and they’ve all overheated on me after 10-15 minutes… have you found a way to beat that problem? Might be because I’m heavier but I’m only 230. Not sure why but the 2 I’ve ridden have had less than 200 miles on them and just burn out trying to keep up with the BAC4000 and 8000 surrons
no comparison
Man if you're paying 5,000 for a surron you getting ripped off I paid 3500 USD for mine new a year ago
I’m in Australian, 3.5k usd is roughly 5k au.
Why all compare Drill one with Sur Ron and not with Cake or Stealth?? Da fuck..like u can have 4 battery with that money..
I would love to compare a cake, problem is, there are not many around, they seem like they may be the best built bike, but close to 20kaud. I didn't compare a stealth because they have peddles, for me, that makes them a different category. I am shooting some videos where we compare, SEM, BOXX, stealth.
Drill equal junk
115 lbs is heavy when u compare it to the Boxxbike at 80 lbs with 14k watts.