'Taboo Tartans and Celtic Fashion Etiquette' Exploring Perspectives 2.15.19 [Annotated]
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- This is the annotated version of the live show which aired on 2.15.19. Our topic this week was “Taboo Tartans & Tartan Etiquette”.
Are there some tartans you just should not wear?
What is a Restricted Tartan anyway?
Are the "Kilt Police" really a thing?
Content Guide:
01:20 What is a registered tartan? What is a copyrighted tartan and what is the difference?
8:04 Black Watch in Ireland as first example of a tartan you might not wear due to poor taste / sensitivity issues.
12:14 Erring on the side of caution and doing homework about your tartan. Be able to defend your choice.
13:52 Mixing clan tartans - wearing a tartan that is not your own
15:06 organization-owned tartans when you are not a member of the organization. Discussion of military tartans as not "official"
18:49 The restricted Balmoral tartan
20:19 - Masonic tartans
21:37 College Tartans
23:50 Kilt Police
31:15 Kilt Police and trolls online
23:25 How likely are you to get called out by the kilt police in real life? (as opposed to online). Ugly American at Edinburgh Tattoo example.
37:17 Cop vs. Mentor
38:05 Do Americans have to worry more about this, or less?
40:16 Having "Moxy" to wear a kilt i spite of possible blow-back
41:53 Context, location, encountering criticism at festivals
43:37 Why should anyone care what tartan you are wearing?
45:17 Is the problem of forbidden tartans and all that over-blown?
49:26 Clan display and other things you get called on - vetting your facts
51:34 Should I worry when I am getting dressed? The calculated risk.
54:28 St. Andrews Golf Course story
57:02 What is the one single faux pas you would say people must avoid?
58:44 Wrap-up How do you balance being a good ambassador and being free on a daily basis?
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I'm Scottish born and bred and I'm finding this vid on restricted tartans is taken up with overblown symbolism and seriousness by Americans. Yes there's tartans getting invented these days and they're corporate and to me these are just like a trade-mark. As for clan tartans, who in hell is going to sue someone wearing their tartan ? As for Irish being insulted by Black Watch tartan and presumably Royal Stewart, Prince Charles Edward Stuart, Hunting Stewart, Red Erskine, Hunting Erskine, Leslie, Douglas, HLI Mackenzie, Gordon, Mackenzie, Cameron of Erracht, Government 1A (Argylls), Murray of Atholl to name a few, as they have all being worn by Scottish regiments of the British Army. I suspect an average insulted Irishman would not recognise nearly all of those tartans. Lastly, my Grandfather was a corporal in the 6th (Perthshire) Btn Black Watch throughout WW1 (51st Highland Division). Even before the war, there was a significant detachment of Irishmen, from North and South, who would commute to to the battalion in Scotland, as territorial volunteers weren't allowed in Ireland due to fear of weapons being used by extremists (Protestant or Catholic). PS if someone was walking in Edinburgh clad entirely in tartan, it would assumed they were American as no Scots would appear like that. But I think Americans are the ones hung up about tartans, in Scotland we don"t care, it's all good. If I see someone in my tartan, I won't mind. Btw wear a kilt in a night club/disco in London, it will get a lot of positive female attention. It happened to me ! Good website !
Lachlan, you make many good points. What is often not mentioned is that kilt wearing is extremely good for our brilliant kilt makers, especially the smaller independent ones. Not forgetting the wool mills either!
It's more of personal thing. Americans do worry WAY too much over stuff like this but hey, to each his own. ME personally, I wouldn't be caught dead sportin' a tartan from the MacDonald or Cambell clans, but that is because I'm a MacLean. There are some things that are just in bad taste. Besides, it might make my ancestors roll in their graves.
The USA and their "cultural appropriation"... Just relax.
I agree... You definitely get more attention with the ladies than anyone else. I think the majority of people in the states don't know the origin or history of military tartans and only look at it as just a kilt with a "Pretty" or attractive tartan. I would assume some in the UK and Ireland don't know the origin or history as well. Most probably don't care. When we went to Scotland last year, I wore my Davidson tartan kilt. There were several who approached me and asked me what tartan it was and some who actually 'Recognized' the tartan... It is definitely a conversation piece...!
Lachlan Gow - Well said and God Bless..Wished more thought the same..
I own a forty year old Lamont kilt, that was given to me by the widow of a 96 year old man. . Although I have no family relationship with Lamont, the lady is pleased that the kilt is being worn rather than thrown in the bin.
Thank the Lord to hear that. It's a garment that if it fits, it's meant to be WORN.
I hired a Lamont kilt for my wedding. It is is my family Tartan. Very similar to the black watch.
Rattytatty, how very special. I'm happy for you.
You are blessed! My Dad’s family is Lamont, he had at one time ordered a Lamont kilt from a maker in Edinburgh, someone in the company absconded with the company funds and he never received it. However he did eventually recover the funds through the company’s dissolution.
it is alright to wear the tartan of another Clan as long as you wear it with Pride and respect for the Clan. Always be a good kilted ambassador and represent the Clan well! You will bring honor to the Clan.
my mother is welsh and I asked her if she could make a cilt for me when I was 15. We went to Cardiff into a Tartan shop (20 years ago) and chose a Tartan I liked most. She made the cult for me 100% properly. I have no Scottish connection and I have no idea what tartan it is but the fact she made it makes it 100% legit to me.
One of the cutest things I ever saw was when my boyfriend got his first kilt at a highland games. I'm a member of the New World Celts and 4 of the members were all around him at the booth dressing him. A tuck here, a fold there, adjust the belt and fix his socks. It was adorable.
I’m a Marine. I love seeing the leathernecks tartan on civilians. It’s just showing love; it ain’t the dress blue coat or anything. Rah
It is always a highlight of my week to have the time to watch these extended videos from you. Your respect to each other and smoothly led conversation and knowledge about these extended videos makes me believe that I am there in person.
You gentlemen look really good in kilts. I wish it was the norm again! Beautiful
Thank you for the ongoing enlightenment and looking forward to purchasing my Masonic kilt on the horizon. Cheers! 😎👍
then you are a mason I presume?
@@patrickmchenry4916 O, I sure hope David is. Otherwise he's in deep trouble.
That's the one tartan you don't mess with.
Just a word of Caution David. (A friendly "Heads Up.") and this is meant with all due respect. Masons usually don't like it when outsiders or people not associated with their order presume to use their tartan which usually bears a "Restricted" status. Unless you are a Mason, (and I very much hope you are,) You could be letting yourself in for a lot of trouble, legal and possibly otherwise. If you are a Mason then full speed ahead and enjoy your new kilt. If you are not then you might seriously want to rethink your position. GOOD LUCK!
For those reading this who might have questions about non-Masons wearing Masonic tartans, as a Mason, I think the issue has more to do with the fact that if I see someone wearing it (and I recognize it as such), I'm likely to assume that they are a Mason, and will probably approach them as such. That could put us both in an awkward situation when I greet you as 'one of us' and then find out that's not the case. Similar to wearing a Masonic ring. Personally, I'm not going to be angry about it, but it's going to be a weird interaction when I strike up a conversation and then realize that we don't really have anything in common afterall.
@@hanzosbm1 / Indeed!º
I am one of the guys that got kilt for a confidence builder, I am pretty introverted, but the few times I have worn it I could see the positive change in how I act. For the sporran and Utility Kilt thing, as a guy that always wears cargo pants you can ALWAYS use more storage. This is because your wife/girlfriend/partner or friend's wife/girlfriend/ partner will ALWAYS use your pockets for their stuff and the sporran is YOUR safe space for your stuff. Plus there are SOOOOOOO many tacky underwear cops where I live!!
Now you know how women feel.
Husbands/boyfriends/partners: "Well, you already have a bag, can you hold my..." that's why you see men carrying their ladies purses. They're holding their own stuff!
My Grandma McDonell/Mcdonald from North Uist was very upset by my Mom's friend who showed up to a family event wearing her Campbell tartan. Certain Scots in Vancouver Canada still remember Glencoe.
Blood is thicker than tears and your Grandmother is remembering the history and the pain of old wounds that came from the bloody battle between Clan Mcdonalds / Mcdonells at Glencoe. The Glen is still known as "The Valley of Tears" to this day because of it.
As a Grant, I personally would never wear Campbell tartan out of respect. I'm actually friends with a few Campbells, and they've said they'd never wear Grant tartan for the same reason. A little too much history there. Besides that, I think we should wear what we want. I myself would only stick to my own Clan and perhaps the Scottish National/other universal tartans, just to be on the safe side.
The problem with "remembering Glencoe" is that the memory is not accurate. The commander of the small unit in Glencoe was, indeed, named Campbell, but it was not a Campbell unit. Also many oif the troops refused to kill the locals, allowing many to escape. If you must remember something, remember the massacre was entirely planned in London and Edinburgh and was solely an operation of the British army under the orders of King William III and masterminded by the Secretary of State over Scotland and Lord Advocate, John Dalrymple, Master of Stair. In no way whatsoever can it truthfully be called a "clan" event.
The government troops in Glencoe have been blamed for turning upon their hosts and committing 'murder under trust.' The troops had not been invited into Clan Donald homes in Glencoe at all, but were forcibly billeted upon them as punishment for failure to pay Cess (property) taxes. The threats made against Capt. Robert Campbell of Glenlyon, by his superiors in the orders delivered to him just a few hours before the killings were severe in the extreme. If he failed to order the killings, he would be accused of treason for which the punishment was death.
Little mention is made of the story of how after 13 September 1644, Montrose and loyalists defeated the Covenanters at Tippermuir. Promising safe passage, to the defeated, including the Campbells , In December 1644, the Royalists rampaged through the Campbells' country. During the clan warfare Inveraray was torched and all armed men were put to the sword; approximately 900 Campbells were killed.
So, who were the victims?
@@thomaspatton4401 It’s the Glen of Weeping.
@@chugwaterjack4458 That’s not true.They were taken in and hosted by the clan.I agree with everything else you said though.
When in the man’s defense who went golfing in Scotland and had a kilt, highlander culture definitely migrated over to the Americas after the Jacobite rebellion and so now placed like Canada and the States participate in wearing kilts and highlander games I would say more so than the Scots still in Scotland. But then again the scots in Scotland are not really being taught their history and traditions anymore and have almost all but forgotten the highlander life style because of heavy English influence
@@ffotograffydd English is the germanic peoples that came over. British refers to anyone on the main island.
@@ffotograffydd considering I’m a mix of English and Scottish and have spent a decent amount of time studying Germanic history, try me lad
@@ffotograffydd now I’ll admit, my Irish history has a decent hole from the 12th-15th century and anything in regards to their Bronze Age, but migration era to Victorian era, and my English history is pretty on point
@@ffotograffydd also lad. I wasn’t blaming the English of anything they haven’t done. There was a fair bit of warfare done by both kingdoms throughout history. But now a days, especially in the lowlands, there does seem to be a strong bit of English culture and influence on the life style of many Scottish peoples, especially reflected at children as they’re being taught in schools. Last I checked, maybe 20,000 scots speak Scottish Gaelic. It’s just recently making a revive. So if you think that’s blame on the English, that’s just you for I made no such accusations.
@@ffotograffydd you thought I was joking? You get rude at me, I will not belly up lad.
A Clan held a Gathering in New York.
The Head of the Clan travelled from Scotland to attend.
Upon arriving at the Venue, he was challenged by an American "Tartan Policeman" for wearing an Incorrect Tartan.
Later when invited On Stage for his Speech, he began by referencing the "Tartan Policeman" and Publicly correcting him on why he was wearing a Correct Tartan for his Clan.
That's too bad Michael... People are sometimes too insensitive. I understand the idea of wearing brown and black leather together. I've seen very high priced attorneys wear tan shoes with black belts and leather with high priced suits. Is it my place to correct their fashions? No, it's their significant others job that they should wear certain colors together ... Just ask my wife. She will tell you (Me) that certain color go together. But genuine wearing items that aren't rightly correct are personal taste. I've also seen it in Civil War re-enactments where we call these people "Stitch Counters". If you wear something incorrect or "Farby" in these events, there will be those who want to correct your impression or in model railroading, I call them "Rivet Counters". They actually know exactly how many rivets on certain boxcars or other pieces of equipment and comment on them. I like how Rocky and Eric mention that we should be "Ambassadors to the culture", and not to worry too much about taboo items and "Don't be a Jerk". Let's just have fun with our culture.
I live in Nova Scotia and I wear the Black Watch tartan kilt a lot among other kilts I wear tartans from the Province of P.E.I. , New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, ( great kilts by the way) and one from Outlander, other kilts include Royal Stewart (red) and Royal Stewart dress (white), Scottish National, Scottish Heritage, Irish National, I wear one every day rain or shine or snow and no one has complained, I'm 6ft 6in and 266lbs and I wear it like it's every day normal clothes for the last 12 years. I have three sporrans
bob wilson that’s really cool Bob I think your tartan choices are excellent. I am a big fan of the Canadian tartans I have recently moved to Canada from Scotland it’s really interesting I have seen more kilted people here Than home.
@bob wilson - I do WW1 reenacting impressions and the two i do most are the Cape Breton highlanders (early war canadian) and the 51st Highland Division Blackwatch.
You're a big guy. Why would anyone want to say anything?
Wearing tartans which do not belong to you is a definite sign of disrespect regardless of how tall you are.
@@wandah9468 my thought exactly.! Lol
South Australia here: I'm ex Australian Army and wear an Australian Army tartan, which I've owned for about thirty years. The tag on the inside of the kilt still contains it's NSN/NATO Stock Number, my Regimental Number, and my Name and Rank. When I go to a Highland Games or Hogmany, there's always people interested in what tartan it is, attempting to guess what tartan it is, and telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about, or I have no right to wear it. And yet my kilt has my Rank, my Name and my Number inside it next to the NSN! Ex Soldiers never argue. It's just pseudo-Scots know-it-all Australians who read "A" book on tartans that makes them "THE EXPERT" on all things tartan. And the last thing, genuine Scots never argue about it either. They are occasionally curious, but that's about it.
I am an American with Scottish roots and Italian roots. I choose to wear the Fraiser kilt, my mother's side of the family. Her grandparents are related to the Fraiser Clan.
As a citizen of all the countries mentioned in this video I can safely assure you that tartan is just gorgeous. The ancient tartans are less vibrant than the newer ones. That's all you need to know. Go buy yourself some tartan if you want it, and wear it how you like. Just enjoy it.
Also if someone from Norn Ireland makes a critical comment just say, "catch yourself on!" if they persist call them a "buck eejit" and leave.
Also from a Scottish perspective a lot of the issues about Clan tartans seem to me to be a more diaspora issue than something that is that big a deal here in Scotland, generally keep things within good taste but also acknowledge tartan is a very old form of decoration and has been evolving over time.
If it looks good then wear it. Within reason.
Agreed. But also wear it both correctly and respectfully.
My son wore a tie with our family tartan when he visited a town in Ireland. He was approached by an angry man that told him he should never wear that tartan there. He informed him that many of his ancestors were killed in a battle by our ancestors 300-400 years ago. You can't always know the history of everywhere you visit but sometimes you do have to be careful.
The only Tartan I would think the Irish might have a problem with is "Black Watch," but that is a universal tartan only some don't see it that way. What tartan was it did he wear?
@@thomaspatton4401 MacRae tartan.
@@marciastarr7393 It's true sometimes you have to be careful, especially with people like that who just can;t let an old grudge die. That is why you have to do your clan's research and find out who your clan's enemies are. Look up Clan MacRae on Wikipedia and usually it will be in the boxed area on the right side, below your clan crest nearer the bottom of the boxed area. Near where you see allies you should see enemies you may need to click on it to get the extended list though. Perhaps it would be better not to wear a tartan at all in Ireland seeing as how they don't really do tartanry there. After all it is Ireland and not Scotland. It's not really worth getting your ass handed to you over a neck tie, and over a grudge that has been held for 300-400 years, which should have been gotten over a very long time ago. He is a small minded Person though with very long memory. I'm only singling out the one you said approached your son, no one else. He is the only one that should be offended by this because he is the only one that is guilty for what he did! "Hate corrodes the vessel that contains it."
@@marciastarr7393 Suplemental; There is much beauty to see in Ireland, and Scotland for that matter, I hope to get there myself one day, but you have to mind the briars and brambles along the way.
My stepfather had a green square tartan and he was Irish French. I’m Mexican so I thought he was a want be Scottish, now I’m sorry I didn’t believe him. He passed away at age 92 on 1991 . Thank you for the great information ❤️🙏👍👍👍👍👍.
Robert Hall x Marine is the designer of the Letherneck Tartan. He called it the Marine Corp Tartan, but had to change it as the Corp would not accept it. Now worn by Marines over the world. Good on ya Bob !!
If he has an honorable discharge he IS a Marine. No x about it.
I work in a tech company with a large number of Indians. I've really enjoyed learning about their cultures and traditions (Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, etc.). Although I'm of Scottish heritage, I tend to wear my 'pub kilt' (Black Watch that my late wife got me) on St. Patty's Day just for fun. This past March my boss' boss (both Indian, execs) saw me and told my boss it was inappropriate. My boss thought it was ridiculous, and told him it's no different than me wearing my Kurta at our annual company Diwali festivals. 😊
I've only ever had one guy question me on the tartan I wear, it was a royal stewart, I'm Australian, he was Scotch, I think he was probing me to see how much I knew and if I just found one and threw it on, or if it had meaning to me.
Casual guy, not mad or anything, I explained that it isn't my clan, but until I can find mine its what I have to work with.
(Also my girlfriend at the time sewed it for me, because she's fucking lovely.)
We ended up talking shit for a good 10 minutes in a random supermarket aisle, would have stopped off for a beer if I had more time.
I hope he's doing well, god speed homesick Scotch lad!
I wish that you guys would show more of your outfits you wear. I an interested in seeing sock/shoes with casual kilts. I know what I probably will wear, but I need more examples.
I lived in Scotland a number of years and can safely say that nobody in Scotland really cares what tartan you wear and whether you are of Scottish or celtic or any other heritage. Only in other countries are people obsessed with worrying and being concerned about clans and shite like that - "just wear whatever tartan you like" is what any Scottish person will tell you.
In my opinion and experience people will be very bold when they can "hide behind" the anonymity that public media provides. But if they are forced to say it to your face they will have noticeably less to say and if called out they will deny it all. This in my book is called "cowardice," Pure and simple "If you can't say a thing to a person's face then you shouldn't say it behind their back either. In essence, Thumper's Rule; "If you don't have nothin' nice to say, Then don't say nothin' at all!"
I know this is an older video, but like Erik said, his kilt pin is representative of his Scandinavian heritage. When I ordered my kilt, I ordered a mix of Irish, Scottish, and Norwegian accessories to represent those parts of my heritage.
I wear utility kilts to work and I do wear what was sold to me as a "Tactical Sporran" It's a large military pack and I always use it.
You mentioned Scots wearing kilts to a wedding. Many years ago my Scottish female colleague got married to an English man at Gretna Green, (I was born in England) 85% of the guests were Scottish! The only 2 people who wore the kilt were the groom and me! As a result of this event I found that I had more Scottish ancestry, and am a member of the clan Colquhoun. Many years later my wife bought me a kilt in the modern Colquhoun tartan. When ever I have worn my kilt out in public I have only had compliments, except in Scotland where no one bothers. Yous is a very informative and sensible attitude to “Highland” dress.
I have played the organ for weddings for hundreds of times in my life and i have only seen a kilt-wearer once.
Americans who claim to be super scottish (but rarely in reality are) and walk in kilts all day and watch braveheart all day are living in a fantasy makey-upey world. They are cos players/larpers basically
Great channel! I found you when checking the pronunciation and meaning of Gleann Dubh that I was hiking yesterday. I was stopped by a Scottish lady on a cruise who wanted to know which tartan I was wearing on a formal night. I’m Irish/Scottish heritage and don’t have a clan tartan, so just chose a modern tartan I liked the look of. Thanks for all this.
Welcome aboard!
I own three kilt, and love this gear. I have been a convenor for two Clans. Like many of the southern and eastern families, our origins are Flemish. We need an overhaul of our "Kilt Shop" history.
I wore a kilt as a young piper, later wore 3 different band kilts (the last one bespoke) and still later the kilt of my highland regiment. I'm well read in history and still I wouldn't have the gall to tell someone else how to wear the kilt. I would help someone who had the pleats in front out of ignorance. I have seen all manner of faux pas. To me the worst offences are mixing surplus military or full dress items with casual civilian wear. I would shudder to see a horsehair sporran on a utility kilt with a swordbelt and sandals (no hose), tweed waistcoat, and baseball cap. But if the person is happy, I'd leave them to it.
Every so often there is a rise in counter culture that when viewed in hindsight really isn't as terrible as it seemed at the time, and tradition still survives. Maybe I'm a bit of a purist and see utility kilt as perfectly fine, sans sporran, with work boots and a tee shirt being entirely separate from a formal kilt with day or evening attire, and not wanting to mix these elements. But hippy, punk, goth, metal, steampunk, and emo subcultures have all borrowed and adapted elements of other cultures with no real harm. Kilts, and Scottish culture are not sacrosanct.
Guys, I love your videos they are very educational, but! You keep refering to the UK or England in the same sentence as Tartan kilts. As a Nationalist and of Jacobean heritage I find it annoying. UK is a Four Nation, Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
I agree with what you said Drew.
I understand Drew. But you have to bear in mind. Yankees not good on geography.
Not all Americans are Fat. Nope some Americans are skinny, they are from Canada.
You guys have done my head in in with this talk about kilts. Wear what you wear.
indeed. There is no such thing as a "clan tartan". It is historically inaccurate. and it is 100% based on a fantasy book from the victorian era.
If you want to buy a kilt you just go to a shop and buy whatever pattern and colour you like. This is how it always has been done throughout history.
Its just a pattern..... nothing more to it.
My Kilt police moment: a dude in full kilt mode said "what kind of Scottish hat is that?" I said "I have 4 blood lineages of Scottish in me, I'll wear whatever hat I want. " the man nodded his head and moved on. This was at a Highland Games two years ago. It was sunny and hot. Not into the kilt police.
Yeah Really, My ancestry is Mcilvaine, Mcculloch, Rodgers, Wemyss, + other Scottish and some possibly Welsh, I'll wear whatever tartan I like, I'm sure there is probably a link somewhere 🤪
@Traditional Arts International
OK, I wasn't replying to your comment. My reply was for Jason Dunlap, basically agreeing with it really doesn't matter what tartan you wear. And I agree use some fashion sense. Only mentioned Welsh because that's possibly part of my line on my Great grandmother's side.
Well played!
Kilts are expensive! Very few men here in Scotland ‘own’ a kilt ...we hire (rent) them for the event. The tartans used by hire shops do not vary too much and tend to be the more universal tartans, but these include clan tartans (Stewart and McKenzie are popular) along with military tartans such as the Black Watch. The Scottish wearer won’t be too bothered about the representation etiquette. Until perhaps when they go to buy a kilt of their own, then they will choose a tartan which they feel represents their name or association. Great debate though :-)
AND this goes on for an HOUR!
"Hang the code, and hang the rules! They're more like guidelines anyway!"
Here's a recent development in tartan registration - pipe bands. I've noticed a number of upper grade pipe bands using unique pipe bands over the past few years. Examples that come to mind are Simon Fraser University's Grade 1 band, Macmillan's G2 band and I believe the 78th Fraser's of Toronto recently registered a new darker version of Fraser for their use. Also possibly Scottish Power and Sprit of Scotland PB. It kind of makes sense, since the bigger bands would be ordering 40+/- kilts a a time, so you might as well have "your own".
There are no restrictions on the wearing of any tartan. Any restrictions are only relevant to the production or commercialization of a modern designed tartan.
Im Scottish born and serving in a very well known Scottish regiment. Its is nice to see our brothers across the pond taking our history and heritage so serious it truly is. BUT! Guys unless you are some tartan nutt that uses a tartan toothbrush with haggis flavor toothpaste and showers in irn bru while doing the fling in the shower 99.999999999% of scots could not care less about who owns what tartan as long as it looks good! If i wore a tartan to a mess party and the COL of my unit came up and asked about my tartan and was not happy i would just say " oh well sue me " as i walk to the bar 😂. In the street what they going to do? Strip you naked? My family tartan is ancient and if i saw some other family wearing it it would make me smile and probs buy them a drink 🤣 don't look into it so much.
Love your video! It is really relevant to my experience this weekend: I thought about you guys last Saturday. I attended an international Rugby match involving Scotland (rugby 6 nations) in my kilt. All the Scots wearing kilts were mixing their kilt outwear in may different (non normative) fashions. e.g. Night sporrans with informal day wear, brown leather with black leather... and no one cared. No kilt police there and were were thousands in kilts. I wore mine in the way I thought most convenient considering the etiquette, but yes I also did things that would may not be standard (I wore ghillies, and flashes). BTW I am not Scottish born, and the only ones asking why I was wearing a kilt were non Scots, all Scots were absolutely fine with it! No one cares! The "under the kilt" question came up also, but the problem is that the person asking was an asshole and was pissed drunk, so no elegant way of dismissing him could be found, this person ended up like a three year old on the floor looking up under the kilt (LOL).
Scots really don't care what you are wearing. They are proud that you took the effort to wear a kilt in the first place, and have their national dress being worn by foreigners (as long as you do it proudly and with a minimum respect to what it represents).
The game was in Paris, France, in general of course you get looks, but most of them were just a quick glance, majority of which were indifferent, and a few gave a smile. One (while crossing the road), did the "nice skirt" shout from a car. LOL. The day after it was dull because I was not in my kilt, and was not getting the attention.
now you know what it is like to be a woman
scotland and france have a long lasting friendship
Guys, Scots Law is separate from the rest of the UK. And! Scottish Tartan Registry comes under Scots Law not UK.
Scottish Tartan Registry does not have any relevance with law, or imposition of law in Scotland. Nor is there, or ever was any laws or legislation governing the wearing of tartan in any form by men, women (or animals). Anywhere or anytime.
Kilts aren't worn day to day here, they are much more formal or day wear, generally.
Not that there is anything wrong with it in my opinion, but that's just the typical way things are done here
It's also funny how traditions changes because in the 18th century it was the height of fashion to be a peacock and wear several often contrasting Tartans.
And for Americans coming here to Scotland don't worry about it, the only thing we sometimes get a little bit irritated with is Americans calling themselves Scottish due to ancestry which isn't the view here at all. I hate to say that or bring down the enthusiasm of Scottish descended Americans but we don't view it the same way you do over there.
Americans I have met are usually very sincere and enthusiastic but just bare in mind even at a basic level our ways of speaking and acting can be quite different, but we tend to enjoy the enthusiasm and honesty of Americans :)
Thank you for your comment. I found the bit towards the end something I should consider more. I am a Scottish decendant on both my mothers and father’s side, and I find learning about Scottish traditions and history interesting, (just as I find other parts of my heritage interesting). My mom recently traced her Scottish lines back as far as 500 B.C.) And my father’s can be traced to the 1400’s A.D. I guess that I think it’s fun to know about my ancestors, and I’m enjoying learning more about Scotland!
The thing about us Americans, is that we often over share! This becomes more true if we are excited!!And more so if we are just a bit nervous!!!🤪. Fortunately, we are (hopefully) a mostly friendly and kind nation, at least in smaller groups (especially while in another country).
Anyway, that is my, possibly confusing, explanation for why you have experienced those from the U.S. as you have. Plus, a lot of Americans have this weird syndrome where, “they just really want everyone to like them!” There are people who “need!” you to think they’re cool. So, they are the ones wearing their kilt as they are departing the plane, and telling customs agents who their clan is, etc.
Yeah, IDK, because when it’s written down like this it’s obvious, but in reality people do it all the time! And not just in kilts in Scotland!🙃 Yep, I know I’m guilty of it in many ways. I tell people about my genealogy sometimes......
Maybe all of us Americans are just self-centered assholes?
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A lot of us, especially the ones who retained the surname. Consider ourselves Scottish, and American. As American ethnicity and identity, at best, is completely obscure. Also many of us come from those who where forced to leave. So we tend to take it more serious than needed. Our Scottish identity, for many here, begins at Culloden moor.
First of all, We LOVE Scotland, We LOVE the people. (The English, not so much.) We are very enthusiastic & prideful about our Scottish Heritage but that's the thing. In our exuberance we tend to overstep at times. We don't mean to insult or cause hard feelings. We support with great pride our heritage in Scotland or Ireland etc. Most of us know we can claim to have Scottish heritage & ancestry. Unfortunately we cannot claim to "be Scottish." This is where we over step the line. We are American or Scottish-American at best. Wording is everything in this instance. We just want so much to be part of it all that we lose ourselves in it and the line gets crossed. We would like to think, (Hope) that you think of us as "long lost Cousins," and in some sense I would think we are, to some extent or another connected through our common heritage and ancestry. Personally, I think it brings us closer. After all, is that such a bad thing?
I have not yet been to that lovely country, but from what I have seen in pictures it has moved way up on my bucket list. I have enjoyed the company and conversations of every visiting Scot that I have ever met from that wonderful country and hope to one day meet more of my Scottish Cousins. I have "Scottish heritage" through Ancestry on both sides of my family (Double Jeopardy :) so to speak. I am a Sept listed member of Clan MacLean of Duart on my Dad's side and Clan Smith on my Mother's side. Through my research I have found to my very great delight that both are Highland Clans and Both are affiliated with Clan Chattan Confederation who along with a healthy list of other Honored Clans fought at the Great Battle of Colloden Moore in 1746. So yes I am very proud to be descended from such an Honorable people and have ancestral roots in such a Great country! I envy you. You live in one of the most beautiful countries in the world, (if not the most.)
I have a formal (expensive) kilt I had made in the Scott tartan purely for special occasions, but I also have a couple of other cheaper kilts I bought to wear casually. These are just ones I liked the pattern & colour of, and no-one has ever called me out on them, and have only ever got compliments about. I've also worn them when I play drums in my punk band and the audience response has always been positive. People generally just don't care as long as you look good.
The only challenge I have to the Black watch argument is it’s the Grant Hunting tartan I am a Grant and wear it as an alternative to the Red as I prefer green
I have ordered this kilt! And will be proud to wear it!
My favorite response I have heard to "what do you wear under your kilt?" Is "an elastic band".
“The future!”
Nothing is worn.Everything is in perfect working order
I am a Holt, my mother who died was a Yates. In honor of her memory, would I be able to continue to wear the Yates tartan to to honor my Yates ancestry?
They discussed this in another video ("Tartan Outfits for Young Girls") and they said it's fine for people to wear their mother's tartan. So I'm guessing they'd say yes; but you can watch that video and see if you think (like I do) that they're saying either guys or girls can wear their Mom's tartan.
I don’t know what anyone else would say about it but if I were wearing a kilt in remembrance of my mother and someone told me I wasn’t allowed to, I would probably hit them in the mouth. And I’m not a violent person, but that’s all the way across my line.
@@TheKyleMark Same thought.
'AcTuAlLy MoThErS CaNt PaSs On TaRT--' swift kiss in the face. What a shite "rule."
Yes definitely! what a great way to honor her memory! I wear MacLean (for my Dad) as "Patton" is a "Sept" of MacLean, and "Smith" or "Gow hunting" (for my Mom,) both who I have also lost. Together, we do them honor.
As an other example; Sean Connery, (The Actor) was Knighted wearing his Mother's Clan tartan, (MacLean Hunting) who was a MacLean of Clan MacLean.
As cultural traditions are thrown in the bin more and more in modern society and retailers want to sell as much tartan as possible, the subject of a taboo or restriction on a tartan, becomes painfully immaterial. As doing the "correct thing" becomes a source of derision, instead of a recognized and laudable behaviour, anything goes. I try to choose gentlemanly and respectful behaviour and I wear the tartan of my family (and Clan) and do not wear any other, even if I like it. I even respectfully choose to not wear the tartan favoured by my High Chief. I realize it is archaic, but I never have to justify my choices. Try it.
I'm very fortunate that there are 3 family clans in my family. Buchanan, Borthwick and Watson. I have a choice of all three and their respective variants such as Hunting, Traditional, Modern etc. I will not wear a tartan from a clan other than my own.
I could draw a parallel example peratining to the black watch tartan discussion.
If the tartan is an authorized tartan for military dress, then it would be poor taste to wear it unless you belong to their ranks. Because it is a uniform items.
Generally, wearing uniform items of enemy personnel will turn heads, unless you're re-enacting or in a living history colony.
If I see someone wearing a hammer and sickle in earnest I'm immediately suspicious of them here.
You also dont want to run the risk of being charged with impersonating someone you ought not be. Like how we do that here with police officers.
Jaysis lads. Ye yanks are overthinking this. Wear what yis like. We can spot ye from a mile off. Just relax and enjoy the old country.
How right you are! But you should wave and smile too right?
@@thomaspatton4401 Preferably, my dear. God Bless ye all.
It's embarrassing how serious we can take some things. I wear my great kilt with my hoodie.
@@rc59191 I say "Live and let live!" You can wear what ever you like with your Kilt. There is no right or wrong., as long as you have some kind of clothes on. But I will say that the kilt does nothing for the "gangsta look" or vise-versa if, that was what you were going for. The athletic look is completely another thing, another look. One is "Bad-ass" the other isn't. The kilt is a "Look" or "Style" all to it's self. It's called the "Highland Style," as in; "The Scottish Highlander." It is unique and makes it's own statement. It stands with Great Pride on it's own. It says "I am Scottish, or I have Scottish Herritage and I am Proud! And as such, I owe no reason or explanation; and it's not who I think I am, It's who I know I am! I Have Scottish Heritage, and I am Proud! Heed the words of River Song, and I quote with respect; "Wear what yis like. Just relax and enjoy." I say; "Amen Brother!"
I've been and admirer of the CANADIAN BLACK WATCH. My Grandfather served in WW2. I feel a bit strange wanting to wear it. My ancestors were Anglo Saxons and maybe Scottish. I can understand the argument that your name should identify your right to the heritage. THANKS FOR ANY ANSWER.
Could you please tell us what your kilt patterns are called with each video you make. Thanks
In Scotland traditionally you are only allowed to wear tartan that’s in your family name wearing another family’s tartan is the equivalent of disowning your family name
that is not strictly true you can wear another tartan if the clan tartan you are wearing is a clan affiliated to yours
I wear a Sinclair Hunting Tartan kilt in honor of a longtime friend who's last name was Sinclair. We were police officers, working together for over 25 years. After he passed away last year, I asked his family for their blessing, which they proudly gave to me. I didn't have to, but I did this for my love for him as a friend/brother. My families are mostly Davidson, Ferguson and MacKenzie. I wear those as well and do not feel that I am disrespecting them when I wear my Sinclair kilt.
naw its naw ya pie lol
Rubbish. Where did you hear that shite?
@@spiritofwallace on a school trip when I was wee can’t remember the place we went too but that’s what the guy in the museum said.
The other side of this is that I WON'T wear some of these tartans, eg military tartans (Inc. Cameron of Erracht) or the tartan.of another Clann.
Just say “thank you for your input”, and walk away.🏴
Best answer for "what's under" is - up to the individual. They lose interest fast.
Good point! Often, the person asking just wants "confirmation" of the rumor. When I answer, I don't typically GIVE them the direct answer they're looking for... I say "why do you want to know" or "I'm not asking you about your undergarment choice am I?" or some such answer. It tends to frustrate them and they give up. :-)
I've started to reply " it's the great mystery " and leave it at that . A women asked me yesterday If I was wearing anything under and I gave her that reply and she got flustered I wouldn't say ! Really...what makes people think we have to tell them if we wear underwear or not . I find it a little amusing and very astounding people are soooooo obsessed with it !
I was asked what's under yesterday and when I gave that answer they absolutely looked let down.
My preferred answer is "we're all naked under our clothes" sometimes I'll get a smarty who says they're not, my response is "aww wearin' yer birthday suit are ya". Always good for a laugh.
All the explanations are cool, the problem is when who's "asking" is drunk! Happened to me the other day.
Here in NZ a number of years ago, the Napier (city) pipe band outfitted themselves in the Napier tartan, before checking their validity to do so (OOPS!) - clan Napier called them out on it & it ended up in court, although all parties did come to a harmonious agreement. While individuals may get away with wearing another clans tartan, organisations need to get permission.
On another point - if anyone chooses to critique one's apparel, a classic answer is "You have me confused with someone who dives a damn" - especially if you know you have done it right.
I’m a welsh Jenkins who’s been in America for several generations. However I feel a much greater connection to my Irish roots than my Welsh roots. My first (and currently only, although I want a Jenkins tartan) is the Irish National. I was wearing it out with my pastor and mens group when a McDougall challenged me. Apparently the McDougalls really don’t care for the Irish so I explained it was the Irish National and when he said we’d have to fight I asked what part of Scotland his clan was from and he said Southern Highlands I believe. So I mentioned the Dal Riata from way back when and we ended up having a good laugh and conversation. I think I inspired him to pull out his kilt again haha. Otherwise I get a lot of compliments on my kilt in South Louisiana.
I wear kilts frequently in my daily life and it's pretty common for people to ask me how to know what tartan they're "allowed" to wear or "should" wear. My standard reply is that it's not a matter of law and ultimately you can wear whatever you wish; however, the usual understanding is that a tartan represents a group of people (family, military unit, geographic/political region, etc) and that by wearing their tartan you are proclaiming your membership in or support for that group. With that in mind, the polite and respectful thing to do is to know something about the group and be able to explain why you are showing support for them. A tartan is a bit like a flag in that respect. If you've never been to Alaska but you've seen the TV shows and you think Alaska is awesome, by all means display the Alaska state flag and tell people why. On the other hand, if you know absolutely nothing about the flag and what it represents except "that blue with the stars on it is cool," we Alaskans can't put you in jail but we will definitely consider you ill-mannered and disrespectful. Every year at National Police Week in Washington DC there are dozens or hundreds of people wearing US Law Enforcement tartan who are not and never have been law enforcement officers but I've never heard of any LEO objecting to the show of support.
I feel like Americans are more concerned about 'can I wear this one' more than most other people. I have Welsh and Scottish family and there's a tartan for every family name in my family tree.
Most people don't care what tartan you wear, they're just happy to see someone wearing one, particularly in Scotland wear most of the preservation of the kilt happens. outside of Scotland, your more likely to get people that go: oh wow, a kilt, that's not something you see every day.
You can go into charity or 2nd hand shops and pick up a kilt and no one will ask you why you've chosen that one. most people that wear kilts have a few. they'll have a family one (usually for big events) and then a bunch of others just because they like them and most probably don't even know what half of them represent.
I'd also like to say that there's are literally hundreds of tartans: Scottish, Welsh, Irish, military groups, etc, and many that don't have anything associated with them. The likely hood of you meeting someone that knows the tartan your wearing is pretty unlikely unless it's one of the super common family names and they know a lot about tartans.
If you like, it wear it. As long as you haven't worn a specific tartan to specifically anger specific people, we don't care and are happy you like it.
Extremely interesting content! But please, the violin music in the background throughout the entíre video is an assault to the senses and causes nausea. Please have silence from music in the main content part of the video.
Clan Pollock tartan is only available through Clan Pollock. But it's based on the Clan Maxwell hunting tartan.
Nice videos guys and well presented, yay for Scotland🏴👌😎🇺🇸😍
So much can be said about the tartan, one thing important to remember is in the beginning of it in Scotland, they probably did mostly pick what color and/or patterns they liked so nothing wrong with that.
I do respect others wishes on their particular ones they create as I believe we all should and over the different time periods that may have changed some. There is certainly the matter of taste especially for more formal occasions, say like if it's an important evening event and we requested white tie or sheriffmuir jackets etc...
As for the family part, if this offends anyone born and raised in Scotland, sorry, however I may have been born in the United States yet when you go through my family history there is no doubting just how Scottish we are. As Scottish as it gets as the saying goes and yes the Mother's side counts too, in my personal case there's so many clans all over Scotland I have deep connections to. So I feel I can wear any of those if I like but some maybe more recently in our history I feel more connected to. Also as a tribute to a family member I remember who has died & I want to cherish their memories.
If someone has a love for a place, country or culture, it's not hurting anyone else to want to participate in that culture etc...
All of us have roots that go beyond where we were born and that's neat and great for us who share that enthusiasm!!
So whether its just casual hiking up a mountain, going out with friends or way formal to a wedding or event, let's be thankful we appreciate them, I just hope people in Scotland don't get bored and tired of our interest in them.
But even if they do, there are many who never will, because they know what all this means to us, just like the clothing of other places and people.
It's good to celebrate our uniqueness without thinking we are better or have to fight over it.
Thanks again guys for making this back then, wow, 4 years ago. Hope someone will still read this, lol.
Mar sin Leat 🏴👏🦄😊
I think all of that stuff is very much fading, though most Irishmen wouldnt recognise most Scottish tartans anyway. Possibly Black Watch though that is often mistaken for being straightforwardly Campbell as well.
Great video though. Thanks a million.
The blackwatch tartan came from the Campbells. It is essentially the same as the Campbell tartan.
Essentially yes, but in the eyes and views of some, (not me mind) that tartan has been besmirched by the English military (In their view) through it's use. it is not the Tartan itself but the "taint" the English put on it by using it against the very people who started the tartan tradition in the first place. (Again in their opinion.) something like that would constitute something of a slap in the face even in my book. I just don't care for blackwatch tartan because it's too dark and dreary looking.
@@thomaspatton4401 English military?
@@ulfheinn8363 Possibly, in the far flung past of my ancestry. my name began in Shropshire, England where the Patton's were nobles and then moved North into Scotland eventually becoming Sept members of Clan MacLean I would assume through marriage. But Me, personally being English military? No. I am an American, born and bread.
@@thomaspatton4401 you were baked?😆
Campbell's sided with the Hanoverian side, both uprisings I believe
Black Watch is one of three tartans very popular in the States - in flannel, often for nighties and ladies' pyjamas. Some shirts, also, but mostly women's wear.
To any Masons. They mention 2 Masonic tartans: the grand lodge and the universal masonic tartans. They are a couple of others I know of. One is for the Widows Sons Masonic Riding Association (motorcycle group) and Park Avenue Lodge #362. So if your a Mason there are a few more u may not have known about.
As a Widows Son, I'd like to know where to find that tartan. Could you point me in that direction?
Some chapters of The Knights of St. Andrew in the Scottish Rite have Black Watch as an acceptable kilt listed to wear.
I am an Old Marine and wear the Marine Tartan. If I do happen to see someone wearing it, I would react the same way I do if I see someone wearing a Marine Corps shirt. I would just start talking to them about the MC if it became evident they were not in the Corps, I would just walk away and not talk to them. If they told me they never served but my dad, mother, brother, sister, or someone special had and they are honoring them, then so be it, in my opinion they are entitled.
It may not be restricted but it has never been used except by the Sixth Duke of Argyll; he added a white line to the Campbell tartan to set himself apart as the Chief. I am also of the understanding that the Black Watch tartan is worn by some Campbells as evening wear or for more formal occasions. The Black Watch tartan is Ancient Campbell with darker shades of blue and green; the sett is the same. Just discovered your channel. I like your style, thanks for helping educate people.
But, with the St Andrews Golf Course, there is where the whole problem is at. A guy is able to wear a skirt out on the course, but just not a kilt.
I was turned away from playing on the course because I only wear kilts. When I asked about someone claiming to be a woman who wanted to wear a skirt, they said it would be allowed.
I lived and worked in Scotland for about seven years. Yes if you are in Glasgow and Edinburgh generally people wear kilts for formal events. But if you go to Stirling you often see people wearing kilts casually. Stirling has a lot of lawyers and government admin offices. Farmers and landowners come from the wider area for meetings and often dress for the day. Then also people passing through going to hike and camp.
What do you do if your ancestors tartan has been discontinued?. My ancestor was a minister and fought at Culloden. They managed to get on a ship to the colonies.
I recently asked the Barbour Company, the famous waxed coat folks, permission to have a Kilt made from one of their restricted Tartans, and was granted permission. I'm an American of Scottish descent, and was impressed by the Company's magnanimous response to my request.
I have several of the Company's shirts, a waxed coat, and the quality is great. They have a number of restricted Tartans I like, and have yet to choose a Tartan.
This is one example of asking and it being granted, I'm sure it helps being a Barbour myself.
Good South Shields folk, I'd expect nothing less!
May I ask what the tartan designs in the background are? They look really nice, especially the primarily purple tartan with matching tie.
Dark blue, I thought. Looks good, research and wear.
Those are samples of the many Tartans that the team at USA Kilts can make into Proper Highland wear with your measurements and order.
How do you all feel about kilts in dress etiquette in the US? Specifically as how it falls into "business casual" or "business dress" when in the office? I've thought about wearing one into my government office but have been concerned some leadership may think its "not appropriate" to wear. I still will eventually, and leaders/coworkers be damned because I'm proud of my heritage and as long as you cant see anything inappropriate (no I wouldn't go regimental into work lol) I'm not sure anyone has a right to say anything.
I would suggest you do it on National Tartan Day or St Andrew's Day. That would give you a legitimate excuse for doing it. It's better to ask forgiveness than permission. I agree that going regimental would be a seriously BAD idea. wear a pair of speedos or black shorts of some kind something of good taste if revealed by accident. If someone asks you to prove it, tell them, "You first, otherwise drop it!" If your boss wants you to prove it, wait for him to insist, then tell him you might be crazy but you're not stupid! Show him the side leg of your shorts. That should be enough for him. Tell him; "Any more and you'll have to buy me lunch!" Also be sure to thank him for his faith in your judgement! and look him in the eye when you do it too. If a boss can make such a request then they don't deserve to get off easy do they? I have done the same at my job too, and no, I didn't make it easy on them either. I even asked them would you ask a woman to raise her skirt to prove she was wearing undergarments? I think the answer there is NO! You naturally trust in their judgement, so why ask that of me? GOOD LUCK :)
GarikDuvall; You asked your question as if you are not in the U.S. Would you mind my asking what country you are from and/or in? Just a curious Tom.
I'm in the US. I meant as opposed to Scotland/UK.
@@GarikDuvall It seems, at least from my experience, they don't wear kilts except on special or formal occasions which is kind of a shame. We love to celebrate our Scottish heritage where apparently they have gotten over all of that. Too bad really.
I purchased a high quality Clan Lamont kilt that I wear quite a bit. I have no family association with Clan Lamont but while I wear it I try and be the best representative of the clan that I can.
I can't understand why you showed a photo of Prince Charles wearing the Gordon highlanders military uniform but discussing the black watch tartan.
Since the formation of Royal Scottish Regiment the tartan has changed from Government 1 (Argyll) to Government 1A (Sutherland)
My Dad is of Irish ancestry and my mom is of Scottish ancestry. When I visit my Irish relatives in County Kildare, I wear my Irish National tartan kilt and when I visit my Scottish relatives in Dunoon, Scotland I wear my Clan Lamont tartan. As a result, no one (so far) has ever made any negative comments about what tartan I am wearing.
When I get the generic question, "Why are you wearing a kilt?" my stock response is "I am self-employed and do not have a company dress code, so I wear what I like".
No etiquette issue here with this idea.
Hear me out.
Bagpipe shoes.
The heel and sole have an air bladder and holes that are designed mimic the sound of a bag pipe when air is pushed out of them. Depending how and where you step on your heel and sole will decide the notes and tune you produce!
Genius!!!!
Proud to wear Stewart Ancient Sett tartan.
Gotta say, the firefighter tartan kilt looks amazing. As a firefighter in New England, I’ll probably pick one up
I wear a sporran with my utility kilt
Me husband who's grandfather was half Irish half Scottish married me grandmum who was British wears Black Watch but no one cares or says anything of it and viewing this he says he's not out to offend and he is a very helpful and caring man to any person of heritage..he does say,times have changed and we all need put away the past and look towards a better and Blessed future...
As an army vet and a Freemason I can say that no one would yell at some one wearing an associated tartan but did not server nor is a Freemason respectfully. However they may get and odd look or a bit of a "harumph". The USA is a free country however. As a side not most Freemasons I know who are of Scottish linage tend to wear their respective clan tartans with masonic regalia. I know very few who wear the "masonic" tartan. Also most are in a band too so wear what is proscribed by that band. A proper kilt is not inexpensive and so most put some thought into that choice.
I attended a cultural festival in ca at a private college invitation by East Asian Indian friends dressed head to toe respectfully in clothing from India. As I approached their tent a young student (19yrs) starting yelling loudly angry about where I got these clothes & who do I think I am. I calmly told him that his white t shirt and Levi’s were not his culture.
Shut down
The sari po po 😂
Happens everywhere
My wife and I are Living Historians and are currently working on developing kits for 16th-century Scotland. Research regarding the kilt appears to be fairly limited for the time period. I read "Before the Kilt" by Gerald Kelly and discovered that there is very little documentation of the kilt prior to c.1585. However, I also found an offhand description of Mary, Queen of Scots having been introduced to Highland "dress" on her tour of the Highlands sometime before the Battle of Corrichie. Do you have any evidence of the kilt having been used before this time? Thank you...
I traced my lineage back to clan Cheyne so upon research chose the clan Sutherland tartan, saying that I was at the tx rennaisance festival near Houston Texas and an older gentleman (wearing the same tartan and more than a little drunk) interrogated me about my choice and he was not nice about it at all. My roommate, who just so happens to be of clan Gray, came over and defended me. I'm normally quiet and reserved but that scarred me and for the last 2 seasons haven't worn my kilt anywhere. But now that I've seen this video I'm considering an American heritage tartan.
Josh - there will always be 'kilt police' with their own opinions. You know what they say opinions are like, right? ;-)
...And Fergus began the forbidden dance wearing the taboo tartan, pleats flailing wildly. The ladyfolk squealed, fanned themselves, and threw scones in frenzied and fevered a manner.
I've encountered more kilt mentors than kilt police here in the states. Police tend to believe they know all and are intoxicated and aggressive. Mentors are knowledgeable, friendly and more discreet.
Like the analogy of the utilikilt and sporan. Like suspenders with a belt.
I love Tartans almost as much as I love manly men in Tartans. Both of you are good looking men in Tartans and you look good in them.No slouches are you two. Stopped at 45+ minutes of your show. Respectfully, Tom in Minneapolis, MN 9/4/19 PS I did enjoy your back and forth ideas and opinions on Tartan wear.
Pretty decent video. As a Scotsman I'm strongly of the view that if you like a tartan whether clan or otherwise then you should wear it. I've always encouraged folk to read about the history of the tartan though just so that they understand the association's with it, Campbell comes to mind
basically there is no such thing as "clan tartan". This whole idea is completely fabricated and makey-uppy stuff. and based on a victorian era fantasy book and not on reality in any way shape or form.
If you want to buy a kilt or loose fabric you just go to a shop and buy whatever pattern and colour you fancy. That is exactly how people did it throughout history. Its JUST a piece of fabric and JUST a pattern.
The fast majority of Scottish population throughout history never even wore kilts anyway but wore breeks or hoses or pantaloons and more or less followed continental fashion.
@@Herr_Flick_of_ze_Gestapo I more or less true, clan tartans were for the most part ceremonial and were romanticised during the 17th and 18th centuries.
I disagree with your last statement, it was actually very common for Scots to wear the kilt in some form, the modern kilt was not worn though until the 17 hundreds or something. Prior to that many wore tartan trousers or more commonly wore breacan-an-feileadh (esp in the Highlands) although the tartans were usually based on the locally available colour dyes as apposed to clan aligned.
Wow, Guys! Great discussion of Black Watch and the Irish. Irish had "troubles" since 1600's to the current times, I'd say!! LOL about pleats in the front. :)) So.... What if a woman wears an actual kilt??
Hey. Could you research and discuss any professional or amateur sports organizations that have official tartans? It'd be interesting to see which ones exist.
Internet used to have information. Disney world had a shop at Epcot,, with limited info.
Also most good retail or wholesale suppliers used to have books with samples of kilts and descriptions of / name of heritage. I loved the tartan books, as I called them when I was young. They must be on line somewhere, now I want to look.
The 1st highlander battalion , the queen’s gard in Scotland tartan are restricted.
BYGGI007. Do you mean guard?
The 1st Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Scotland is the Royal Scots Borderers and they wear the Government 1A (essentially the Black Watch) or the Royal Stewart and both are essentially universal tartans. The Scots Guards wear the Royal Stewart which again is universal.
For me it was like I was sharing a photo on a site in a group where I was wearing a kilt and a sash to simulate the plaid worn over the shoulder when you wear a greatkilt/belted plaid and they had an issue with the sash. Truth was they failed to understand guys might do that if they're on a budget because a greatkilt isn't cheap.
As for the sporran on a utilikilt, I would argue that someone might want to wear it if they know they're going to be in a place where you might want to wear the sporran to give the idea that it is a kilt because those type of people might not be culturally aware and you want to avoid the verbal bovine scatology and have a good time. However I also argue that if you're slick enough with a humorous comeback, people back off.