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Just how hard is it to start my Liner Roughrider Dump Truck in the snow?
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2021
- Hello everyone,
You may be aware, but recently in the UK, we had snow.
So Lawrie decided to take out his little Dump truck - it couldn't possibly be a challenge to start could it?
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This is my favourite of all the cars and machinery you have 😉
It's one of mine too
It's the reason I subbed
Same, my favourite too , I've always wanted a wee dumper.
Edit
Btw a blowtorch into the intake works well 😉
@@hammyh1165 it's a super little thing!
Yes I'll try that
I’m still trying to find one to restore for the right price
At least it was worth it in the end, as well as a good way of keeping fit too!
(possible merch idea:
A silhouette of Lawrie, stood hands on hips, next to Humpty, with the starting handle. Caption reads - "Hand Start? Ermm. Yeah....")
That's a brilliant idea!
Stick some rubble in the bucket and it’d have enough traction to avoid getting stuck.
That means manual work. Any more would have killed me
@@lmm LOL - thats why you need the backhoe digger working :D
Ah yes, good point!
Its a wonderfully heroic machine and so is its driver!
Well thank you!
Also, I have to say, Humpty is my favorite member of your fleet. I've grown to care about the other projects, and I originally came to your channel because of the Lawrie goes Loco series, but Humpty is the reason that I started binging your stuff on the road vehicles. it's one of those little vehicles that is just fare more adorable than it has any right to be, and I hope to see Humpty get onto what's broken now to have his bucket patched and straightened, and the steering fixed.
Yeah same I love humty
Glad to hear you're fond of the little thing too!
How to train yourself when lockdown is on
And the sound of it is beautiful
Hadn't worked 😂
Reminds me of those UA-cam videos where they are trying to start Class 37's on a cold day, only a bit smaller and slightly more effort.
They're generally a little more impressive 😂
Really enjoyed your little ride on humpty in the snow. Around here, it is typically snowy more or less for 4 months of the year, and a drive in the snow can be a very wonderful thing in many ways. Thanks for sharing the adventure!
Its amazing that when it get stuck from the mud that the vehicle stopped perfectly in frame to capture it. Almost as if it was planned... I'm sure it wasn't thought.
Amazing that.
I remember the sound of dumpers like that from childhood, in particular my parents had taken me on holiday to Whitby and the contractors were doing some work to the cliffs which have narrow paths. I remember asking my father what those were. So to hear humpty definitely brings back memories, such a distinctive sound.
Oh that's lovely! It's a brilliant thing isn't it!
Hot air gun, stick it in the intake on hi and then spin it.
I have thought of that, best I can do is point at the intake
or in lack of that, a burning rag in front of the air intake, a 2 man job though.
@@lmm Another idea is to turn it over so that the exhaust valve is open and then warm the cylinder by using a blow lamp flame up the exhaust pipe.
On the insurance form- Thatcham approved anti-theft device fitted *tick*
Pretty much!
Yep. I have an old bike like that. If you know how to start it then you already have one. You don't want another!
@@KLUTCHdot58 I heard that logic applied to Model T ownership 😂
Back in the 80s, we used an oily rag on a stick. What you do is light the rag, put it close to the air intake and then crank it Primative but it works
I believe they previous owners did something similar with burning newspaper
It's not high tech or pretty but it works.
@@MyMaxHeadroom some of the best solutions are just that
The sound of that engine chugging along in the snow is so relaxing. Still hoping you're able to make it to the states one day to operate a few locomotives and maybe semi truck/lorry or two as well...Stay safe lawrie loved your last loco video...
It's a great sound isn't it!
Thank you, I hope to be able to get out there soon!
*PAH PAH PAH PAH PAH*
oh yes, please get him some three stick 18 speed and a hill ...
If my company would let me. I'd show him how to drive and shift in my 389 18sp.
Imagine this being your daily job. starting up the little dump truck each day. It would give some buff arms.
One hell of a workout!
poor Lawrie. he needs a worker that could start these types of engines for him.
Great idea
Morgan?🤣
The first heart attack starting humpty can be a bugger
😂 Yeah, by the tenth you're ok
you think he learn after trying to hand start that locomotive and how long that took
There isn't currently another way to start it
I'd be the type of stubborn bugger to make a drill adapter for the thing or something
Fun in the snow lawrie 👍. Take it to transport show when lockdown is over.
Would love to!
As my grandfather would say, " Why in the hell would you leave it outside son?"
To create a video of how hard it is to start in the snow 😂
Best invention was the Armstrong starter 🤣
Keeps you fit, warm in winter and last for around 60 years and you can breed your own (children)
I have a 1936 allis chalmer model U with a 4cyl 5.9L engine it's muiltifuel but a bit of moonshine down the throat in the winter for both tractor and starter and it'll fire up fine
😂 😂 Love the idea of starting it on proper moonshine
Lawrie, two things, 1. do what the old boys did, an oil soaked rag set alight and placed near the intake filter so that the engine can suck in some heat 2. please keep you thumb on the same side of the handle as your fingers, if the engine kicked or back fired the least would be a bandly bruised thumb or worst a broken thumb.
I really struggle to keep it engaged if I don't hold it like that, so far in all the time I've owned the thing, it's not kicked back... Yet
ope, ya got snow, now you know what it's like to be in the Midwest in the winter.
...also, definitely wondering how much an air starter for a formula car's worth. or whatever they use to start top fuel cars.
I'm wondering the same thing!
Hm... Looking at the way the steering wheel moves up and down when it's in the play, I'd bet theres a bad or missing bearing in the steering box.
I forgot the top bearing in a tractor steering box and it was able to slide up and down when trying to turn, same as humptys steering box.
Yes, I think it's overdue for replacement,
Best toy ever for 25 quid. You should have a go at getting a four shell drive articulated job. They are the dogs danglies. I spent two weeks driving one on a building site moving a not inconsiderable amount of earth for one end of the site to the other. That was in the nineties and I still can't feel my feet. They shake a bit.
Oh yeah, they're very cool!
Feel ya Lawrie. I have had a few Lister diesels. EZ start is your mate for this situation. Good blast down the air filter. Nasty stuff but times precious!
This was quite good fun looking back on it!
I have even used a rag soaked in gasoline, holding it in front of the air intake. The fumes are usually enough to make a small diesel like that start when cold. I've even done that a couple of times with a Ford 7.3L Powerstroke/Navistar T444E in a pinch.
omg there's 4 Lawries...
omg there's 9 Lawries...
OMG THERE'S 16 LAWRIES! *16!*
I can die happy now
Pleased to be of service
Turn the bucket into a comfortable cushioned seat with a overhead cover and bottle / biscuit holder, drive it to a beautiful scenic location and bask in the beauty of your labour, the adventure there and the scenery before you?
That's a great idea!
That would be awesome for logs either splitting and taking them from the pile to the wood shed or cutting logs in the woods. Or what ever you can use a wheelbarrow for great video. I wonder if those made it to the states
It's basically just a motorised wheelbarrow
They never made it over here, although something similar called the Young Buggy became very popular in small underground mines in the American West in the 60s and 70s. Young's Machine still builds them in Utah, and I own a 5-ton example.
LOL. Yeah, that steering definitely needs some attention! Maybe a few patches inside the hopper too ;) As far as starting it goes, you guys should find yourselves an old, used, two-handled drill, make up an adapter for it, and use that to turn it over :) A little heat from a torch near the intake or cylinder head might also make it easier to start ;)
She needs love full stop 😂
@@lmm :)
I like the steering shaft going up and down about an inch when you turn the wheel
Yes... It's less than ideal
Watched the other hand start little dumper as well, I'd love to see you rig up a battery Impact gun attachment for them.
Sorry I know you probably have more experience than most with hand cranking old vehicles, but try to keep your thumb on the same side of the handle as your fingers so that you don’t break it if the handle kicks back. Great video though!
It's basically impossible to hold the hand start in like that I've found.
So far, she hadn't kicked back, she's pretty predictable when she's going to cough into life these days.
Thanks for the concern though!
Fair play! It’s a wonderful little tipper and good work on your dedication starting it!
That’s the cutest dump truck I’ve ever seen...
Now I want one...!
And thus easystart was invented :-D
If I'd had someone to help, that would have been useful
Seems like there's a good reason guys in the northern climates all tell stories of lighting camp fires under the oil pans of big diesel engines to get the block preheated, or preheating the intake manifolds with blowtorches. Hell, I think I remember Humpty's previous owners mentioning using burning newspaper to make hand-starting easier...
Yea indeed! Might well make all the difference.
Though when I got the think it had no compression at all, so that may have been part of it!
Brilliant! Want one so much.
hi Lawrie . if you have to start in winter again .. heads up. use a gat lamp. warm up air intake an direct the hot gas jet at intake as well. then crank. hay presto. away she goes. atb tone
its a trick i picked up on said 70s sites as a kid
Yes I think that sounds like a far better idea!
;w; Poor lil thing left out in the cold. Needs a tiny bobble hat and scarf to warm up.
I felt terrible leaving it
Looks like great fun!!
It was!
This... this is beautiful...
Thank you!
Cheap and cheerfull in the snow.
For all I think Humpty is wonderful, it's not wonderful enough to put myself through that 😂, although surely if it was started regulary it would hopefully start way easier than that.
25 quid well spent! 🇦🇺👍
6:45 Glovely.
Two hours, you could have built a great snowman in that time…
I drove my first dump truck when I was five or six, helping to build the new London Bridge, back in the 1960s so I can well see why you like this machine.
Oh what a thing to have been part of!
Well I think it was really my dad that was part of it, but it's one of my best early memories!
Snow doesn't mean it is cold...it just means it isn't warm!
There's a humpty at the farm I work and in college we painted a humpty lol the sound is amazing
It's brilliant isn't it!
@@lmm he's the best. My favourite video was watching you and matt unload him from the van, could have gone so wrong....but it Didn't!!!
It looks nice in the snow
Doesn't it just!
Thank you Ben, good advise.
Yeap
17:04 "C'mon up you go up you go up you go!"
Well bloody hell ! Liber Rough Rider I was under the illusion it was a Barford !! Everyday a school day
It's a good little thing though!
Hi Lawrie, Great video, and well done for sticking with it, just thought id mention how good a video rebuilding the top end of this engine would be, it looks like a petter ava1 which is a very simple engine, and to change the service, rings, decoke and change the injector nozzle is only 50 pounds in parts? Add in a valve grind and you'll get heaps of compression. Just a thought. If you want to find parts, try Stationary engine parts .com
Thanks for the link!
It's one of the things to do is to give the whole thing an overhaul - we've got a big trip planned!
the solution to the traction issue is to fill the bucket with something (in this case, I'd use snow). it probably has the bucket over the driving wheels rater than the engine, because it's meant to be full of heavy stuff.
Yes exactly.
@@lmm wait, wut? I'm still scrolling through the comments and I find a comment on my comment! o_O
I'm trying to keep up with them today
Shows what a good idea the removable plug that you put a nitrate impregnated fuse into, like the Sachs diesel on my Howard Rotovator had. Would hand crank start on the coldest day.
I think that was an option on my Ruston - a hole that you could stick a blow lamp into
Bit late to the party on this, (I'm working through the entire channel in chronological order at the moment, and loving it) so you might have addressed the issues I'm about to comment on.
I spent the summer of 1990 driving a very similar machine to Humpty and it was similarly great fun. The rental dumper was mechanically identical to Humpty, but had some "bodywork" differences. It had long since lost any identifying badging, so I don't know what it was. I know it had absolutely no brakes. Not too much of a problem, given the massive engine braking available.
Anyhow, two things. First, I think Humpty is down on compression. The engine in the rental would have been impossible to spin over like that without use of the decompressor. Starting technique was to lift the decomp, wind up the flywheel to as high a speed as possible, then drop the decomp. It always fired on the first compression stroke. Mind, summer 1990 was quite warm, even when it was raining.
Second, the steering. While there might be other issues, looking at the way the steering wheel goes up and down in the onboard footage, I think the steering box has lost one or both of the thrust bearings that hold the worm on the end of the column in place longitudinally. It looks as if the first turn of the wheel is just screwing the column up or down before it starts to apply any force to the nut or sector (depending on what sort of 'box it is). If so, it might not be that hard to fix, or at least bodge, so you've got proper steering.
Like I said, possibly a bit late, but maybe marginally helpful. Love the channel. Keep it up.
The compression is possibly down, but I'm the only one who can turn it over when it's compressing. The others don't have enough strength to force it.
Yes indeed, it's winding itself up or down before turnin the wheels.
At some point I'll take it off and repair it or replace it with a land rover steering box.
The Lister would have a cold start oil plunger on the intake side of the head to boost the compression for cold days like this. Fill it up with oil and press it in and extra compression wow. Mate you should also use the decompression lever to help turn it over easier and to help avoid breaking your arm if it kicks back on you. But good job getting it going though. I had one of these but with a twin cylinder Lister st2 Really cool old things hey. I've just purchased a 1985 benford.
Have you tried starting it with an power drill??
Lawrie, you should restore that steering wheel. We love it!
The little thing needs a load of work, it'll get done!
Well at least you warmed yourself up Lawrie. Everyone should own a Humpty for the benefits of their health, just look at the calories burnt winding the engine over by hand.
Oh yeah, it was quite the workout!
Lovely little thing
Isn't it just
@@lmm I wish I was as fortunate as you are lol good one you thi lawrie your doing well for yourself
*tho
Very lucky find was that girl
@@lmm also how do you buy a loco when I’m older my dream loco is a br blue 08
The engines on these dumpers are as tough as old boots
Oh it's super
Always park it at the top of a very big hill. I'm pretty sure something as agricultural as that will bump start if you try hard enough. Ben Nevis should do it.
By the way, are you sure the steering wheel is actually connected, or were you just lucky that it happened to want to go in more or less the same direction that you wanted to go?
At this point, I think the steering wheel is completely optional.
Fun to watch tho I have a some advice for you I’ve learnt during WW2 on the eastern front German panzer crews put playing cards in the exhausts than started up the engine I’ve personally tried this and it does work very well especially in winter times I’d suggest trying it some day. Also can’t wait to see what’s next.
From Erika.
It's got a very strange exhaust, so that might be a challenge 😂
@@lmm 😂😂fair tho now ya know how to start up other vehicles in the snow
Awesome little machine. I prefer the more immature tittle "British Man Cranks Big Yellow Thing in Field for Two Hours" :D For that price you definitely can get your funs wroth and more.
It was a real challenge.
I think we've got it sorted now though
I Love Humpty😃
Me too!
Get one of those external starters like they use on F1 race cars
That would certainly do it!
One of those large windy guns they use for taking the wheels off a truck should suffice.
i still love that thing. what could be fun is if tractor events start up again you could take it show off.
have to say though, that steering is quite scary to see lawrie. it looks like the steering wheel and shaft are actually unscrewing from something down below when you spin to the right and it goes back down when you spin to the left.
maybe you could make an attachment that would let you spin it with a heavy drill (if you have one of course)? at least for the early portion when you are more trying to worm the cylinder up before it becomes realistic to hand crank it.
Once we can go out, I really want to take it to some shows.
Steering is terrible. There's a bearing gone, so it winds up and down on the worm. Every time we go out I fear its going to fail.
An adapter is a good idea, just need a suitable device with enough torque to turn it over!
@@lmm plumbers and electricians use a right angle drill called a Hole Hawg. They are seriously torquey.
Plus if you had something turning the motor over for you you might be able to reach the decompression lever making things much easier.
@@lmm if you had maybe an old start motor with handles?
You should eventually give this truck a full restoration.
It'll happen eventually
those lister diesels will start in anything, eventually, they are very relieable exept for the one i own that just stoped working one day and then got parked for 2 years befor having a rebuild (wich didnt fix it) and then being parked for another 5 years before the engine was taken of for its 2nd rebuild when we found that water had gotten in and seized it so its been sitting half taken apart in the back room for the past 5 years untill we can find a replacement or a parts unit.
Hey Lawrie not sure if you had noticed but every time you turn the steering wheel to the right it raises about an inch lol, I think it has a bolt or nut loose down in the steering gearbox or a missing cotter pin on a castle nut
It's the bearings have gone, so it winds up on the thread 😂
We have a Renault 103-54 more modern but starts in any weather any degrees but not -6 as we found out the other day 😂
I feel slightly better now 😂
Using a power drill to turn start it would work a bit easier for it's the same way a f1 car gets started
Needs to be quite beefy though!
invest in a decent battery powered rattle gun , they have many uses , among them removing wheel nuts & with a home made adapter can spin over yellow dump trucks
Yeah, I think you might be into something there
Looks like a lot of fun. What do you use it for besides just having fun. Looks very useful.
It's good at moving things about, towing things in The Shed and as a work out to start it!
next time you start that dumper you need to put your thumb over the starting handle not under if it kicks back it could bust your thumb
I've tried, I really struggle to hold it in like that.
She's yet to kick back so far. Thanks for the concern though
there is a rail mounted one at Elsecar
Oh really?
Put diff locker or weld the diff! According to my mate (who has one, i mentioned this when you first got it) they use old willys jeep running gear so i imagine a locker would be available. On a side note, i saw 2 or 3 of these in one place the other day at a vintage machinery display, one was driving around getting firewood for the rollers and traction engines! Oh and ffs get some starting fluid, no idea what the brands are over there but here down under is called aerostart or , i kid you not "start ya bastard"!
Start you bastard is the best name for easy start 😂
She doesn't really need a locked diff for its every day life - love the idea of bring firewood collection boy though!
What if you made a sort of bit for an Impact Gun that could slot into where the starting handle slots into and turn it over with a that lol
Yes that would be amazing
Hi lawrie
Whatcha
when are you giving Humpy little bit TLC on few touchies? like the steering wheel? it is really fun machine i did always enjoy it when you drive it :)
Later in the year hopefully when a couple of other bits have been put back together!
@@lmm i hope so it is fun Humpy vechicle and it have really character of it :)
There is something very worn in the steering as the amount of up and down motion of that steering wheel shaft , perhaps a bushing is in order ? Doubt it should move that much
I think it's due for replacement. It's rather knackered
@@lmm Most dumpers had either a Land Rover steering box or a Marles box. You can have either rebuilt. I had a Marles box rebuilt for Danny (our dumper at Quorn) but it wasn't the cheapest. My steering box did the 'up and down' thing for a while then just stopped working altogether.
My old boss once bought an old dumper that when you steered right, it went left and when you steered left, guess what, it went right. 🤣
@@huwdavies6650 Funnily enough that nearly happened to mine. I looked to buy an alternative before having the Marles rebuilt, which would have ended up steering the opposite way.
Poor humpty
I felt so guilty
Drifting a FWD articulated chassis vehicle....... good luck with that. Thanks for the video.
It's not really articulated, just rear wheel steer. If it was icy it and you steer hard enough, the back end should just slide about.
or simply drift it in reverse ...
@@lmm I stand corrected!
I'm actually actually early to a video we'll done me.
same
Good going!
Easy way to break your thumb if that starting handle kicks back👍
It's a pain to get it to engage otherwise. So far it's not kicked back.
Paul is right. You really should keep your thumb the same side of the handle as your fingers. It’s a knack. Don’t wait till you’ve had it kick back and you’re sitting in hospital with a broken thumb.
@@timothymskerry8706 it's just a pain to do it correctly. Really struggle to keep the thing engaged
Spose it depends if you like a working thumb or just an ornament lol
@@paul1962uk it's not kicked yet, I've just not had any luck holding it correctly
Wait, don't Petter diesels have a place where you would put oil in it (cold starting aid), makes the compression rise and makes it easier to start when it's cold. I know Lister has this option.
This doesn't appear to have that
@@lmm Well that's a poor design by Petter then I seen that model of site dumper with equipped with a single or twin cylinder Lister Diesel engine, worth more with the Lister through. Hope you find out what's wrong with the steering, on a side note check the injector as a weak spray pattern can cause hard start (even on warm days), as well as low compression, bad fuel filter and a clogged exhaust and air filtration system may also cause this as well. Just things to look at with older diesel equipment. Have a good night, afternoon or morning, best of luck from Australia.
If you pull out the stop lever and turn it anticlockwise this gives excess fuel for cold starting
Yes, it was on cold start
Any chance of using a gas burner to heat the head/cilinder before trying to start?
Sounds a good idea
-2 with Humpty or a clear day with Courage
Clear day with Courage!
Does humpty have independent steering brakes or are both brakes on the axle on one pedal? If they are independent, when your slipping, apply the brake for the wheel that is slipping, it'll make the open differential work for you.
Just one big peddle with b on it 😂
@@lmm ahhhhh, I find it a bit odd that the designer didnt include steering brakes given the wheel configuration. Makes you wonder if there's a way to install a locking differential in the axle.
Minus 2 C or F cause -2 C is 28.4 F I'm just thinking about long sleeves.
I take it you don't have any starting fluid?
How soon before you come up with an electric starter to plug into the front
And the man and his dumper ride off into the sunset!
We're in the UK, so we don't use Fahrenheit - I can't work in it at all.
It was - 2c
I need to find a suitable drill first!
When is your next Lawrie goes Loco with a steam locomotive?
Not sure when I'm going to schedule it to be honest.
Surely it has a decompression lever on top of the cylinder? If not, use ether!
It's got a decompressor, but I can't spin it and flick it into compression.
@@lmm there’s a knack to it!
The trick is, to spin the engine over with your right hand, and flick the decompressor lever with your left hand, with the decompressor lever thrown over, its easier to spin the engine over with it decompressed. And keep a can of easy start handy,a tiny squirt of it down the intake before cranking will help especially when cold.
You might wanna chuck some injector cleaner in it as well. Then give it a damn good thrashing
@@peterashman1670 I just can't keep it together one handed!
@@lmm Practice makes perfect Lawrie, I used to start on very similar when I was about 14 years old. You can spin the engine so much faster in decompressed position, throw the switch and the engine momentum you've created should be enough for her to start.
Possibly a shot of starter fluid or maybe some good gin in the fuel tank?? Great little machine, I want one, this is just too much fun!!
Not a bad idea
Got to be careful with starter fluid like easy start as it can if relied upon too much can glaze a engine and cause more starting issues. We had a customer once who started his Stiga ride on mower with a diesel engine and because it was never serviced regularly he had issues starting it probably due to the fuel filter was blocked but he decided to use easy start on each start up which over time glazed the bores until his engine would not run at all.
Have you ever had a starting handle injure you? or a least kick back and hurt you?
Nope. Humpty doesn't do it - least hasn't yet.
I remember being 6 and asking my Grandfather on his farm, why he had set fire to some rags under the tractor in Winter... Should I pencil in the next start on Bonfire night? Cost 25lb in sweat that start...... :-)
😂 😂 Brilliant
Join us next week as LMM convert the dumper to 4x4 :-)
I am surprised you all haven’t found a way to chuck up something into a drill motor to spin that thing over till it starts!
Need quite a chunky drill!
well lawrie this is how we keep you in shape so you dont gain wait soon we will have you doing abb work outs whit engine blocks and dead lifting fiat's becuse thay are missing a tire
Could I monetise the lmm workout
@@lmm you have already
Mine is a twin. Do you have a lever for the decomposition? I have to have my engine cover open.
Yep, and have to have the bonnet up too