I think it's worth giving a big ol' shoutout to the changes to Insta Block in sunbreak. The window is every so slightly larger now (still tighter than offensive guard), which doesn't seem like much, but it makes a *world* of difference in how usable it is. That plus the change where the riposting Cross Sweep attack deals tons more damage *and* you can instead combo into switch skills from insta block makes it my favorite part of the Lance toolkit
@@songoku6067 Yes. God forbid you stop poking for 2 seconds in order to completely cancel out a huge knock back or unblockable attack (with only 1 Guard up) and counter. Just unga bunga the monster.
@@songoku6067 what reason do you have to not take it, when you have all the benefits that come from instablock (extremely fast actions out of it, cross sweep being strong+comboable etc) while you have guard dash/shield tackle for sticking on the monster? To use the Normal guard would require you to stop attacking briefly too no? But why do that when Guard Dash Back blocks everything, done out of your combos, and gives you positioning, all while allowing for an instant follow up punish. (Lunging thrust) Im sure logistically I may be sinplifying it and I expect a reply citing all the exact guard strengths behind the different blocks, but as far as I can tell guard dash has worked like a dream as my split second defense, while allowing me to keep the versatility (and style) of instablock and gather some really cool clips. TLDR why even use normal Guard when Guard Dash exist
Biggest thing about Shield Tackle for me is being able to use it reorient, since you can use it to do a 180 and small gap close. So money, especially when you're learning a new monster
Do wanna mention that having instablock with Guard tackle gives you activation frames at the start of the animation and begins near the end of the tackle. this is fairly useful agaisnt those MR monsters with delayed attacks or practice for insta blocking. Dont Sleep on Guard Advance however! The distance it can cover is nothing to scoff at and access to leaping thrust that lets you do a back advance into leaping thrust combo perfect for status and/or part breaking. Lancers unite and keep the momentum going!
I've been generally downplaying guard advance for a while now do to the stanima cost, but that is a very valid point about status buildup being better for it because you get the leaping thrust and the ability to generally control your position easier without getting turned around like you might with Guard Tackle.
Plus the dmg uptime of Leaping Thrust is pretty nuts after the buffs and it conserves sharpness as its only ever counter as 1 hit. That being said Guard Tackle into Charged Sweep into Guard Tackle seems like a very very sexy dmg loop.
Been playing lance exclusively in pc mhr (was a ig main in switch), the direction sunbreak went for lance is amazing. Instead of giving flashy new moves and ignoring the bad toolkit, they straight up fixed the moveset instead which imo made lance play how it was meant to be played more effectively. 1. Twin vine now costs 1 wirebug instead of 2 and gives a guard buff... omg this move went from useless and expensive to a great utility tool. 2. Anchor rage now has longer guard time and gives buff according to dmg of the move block instead of knockback, making a good move even better. 3. Instaguard now does not require street fighter 3 precision to parry, its now very usable and genuinely a strong option. (Pre sunbreak i couldnt even consistently parry the toadversary it was that hard) Thx capcom for not just ignoring a minority of your playerbase, we lance players are more than happy :D
more importantly a large MV buff across the board for lances normal moveset. all the above changes would have felt poor if your follow ups still felt like wet noodles outside of spiral thrust.
Gotta admit base game lance was quite un-lancey with slap and spiral thrust being the center of the show, and insta being so stingy with the frame window it was a liability. It now flows much better all around.
Sheathing Retreat is actually pretty nice to have as you can evade an attack, I mostly use this to get away from unblockables, and during the animation you can hold the block button down to go straight into a charge to either get further away or get right back in to the fight, all-round worth taking over Twin Vine which is still janky.
I don't run evade extender on my lance sets so having this silkbind move for the anomaly quests is great. A moment of silence for All the randoms I've seen trying to block the explosions then carts
@@chunkeebread In case you were curious it's 100% blockable with guard up. Why run away when it's just a free instablock cross sweep or anchor rage buff? (provided you time it right I guess lol)
@@Altira oh it is?? I tried blocking it multiple times but it just doesn't work. Probably have the timing wrong then Edit: I read the reply again and the randoms I've seen just don't run guard up I guess
Running max guard and guard up along with max def up, you can even power guard through anomaly monster explosions and it dents like 15% of your health. There isn't anything unblockable anymore if you build full tank
@@ramondelgado9836 Fyi, defense actually has no influence on chip damage at all, so unless you're running defense boost because you genuinely get hit a lot (which is fine, use whatever makes you feel comfy) I would suggest slotting in something else.
Lance main since Gen 1 and the Sunbreak lance is so good. In the basegame it was quite bad imo but the Sunbreak changes made it soo much better. The shield tackle alone is amazing and the anchor rage buffs were much needed. It's so much fun now
@@histoiredunerage8695 well the downed monster combo has been poke poke poke charge pokepokepoke charge for a while Unless it's gen/genu then it's striker lance's charge ender spam lmao In rise you got... spiral thrust for literally everything In sunbreak you got leaping thrust into charged wide swing, repeat or charged wide swing poke charged wide swing guard tackle charged wide swing repeat Or if they're tall skyward thrust spam
Tip: Use sheathing retreat to close the distance to the monster by facing away from it. Then press ZR mid air to close even more distance and start the fight with a shield bash. Happy lancing :)
You can also cancel the skill into a charge, so you can very suddenly cover a massive amount of distance by facing away, doing a sick backflip toward the monster, and landing in a dead sprint lance-first.
I’ve pretty much exclusively played lance through world and rise, and the new buffs on the sun break lance are incredible. I’m still using the shield bash/anchor rage/guard dash skills from pre sun break and the damage numbers are just incredible.
Lance is so much fun now, i'm a GS main but i've started to use lance more and more with how addicting countering attacks feels in Sunbreak. I absolutely love how it gives you this feeling of being this immovable wall that never stops attacking, its great !
I'm on the same boat as you; a GS main since around the end of 4U, and now deciding to try out lance in Sunbreak for a change of pace. I gotta say, if this is how lance is gonna be going into MH6 then I think I'm gonna have to permanently switch mains lol
Can you please tell me how its fun, i love shields and they are under used in games and i wanted to love lance in this but it seems to me that ALL you do is poke poke poke over and over and over again, i just find it so mind numbingly boring but i really wanted to like it, so is there something im missing does it have a combo i dont know about id love some advice
The sheathing retreat can be used to drop the hellfire orb in place of spiral thrust, also you can use it as a dodge into which ever of the charge moves you have equipped
Also for some added dumb fun you can run the wall run attack boost skill and sheathing retreat to a wall, get your boost and charge back into the fight. Is it optimal? no, but feels pretty cool!
The main use I saw for Sheathing Retreat is against anomaly nova explosions. It still stuns you at Guard 5 GuardUp 3 if you get hit point blank. But if just outside the explosion and next to the monster, it doesn't stun but the chip damage is comparable to MR Allmother.
the most buffed move is the lunging thurst. 24+20+20 motion value with the first hit having element multiplier of 1,5. and it is spammable. you can literally shred tru the monster hp with it. let's say you use anchor rage and for 15 seconds you have max anchor rage + offensive guard active. you have 30% more attack. so charged sweep 80 mv 1,2 ele multiplier + lunging trust 24+20+20 first hit 1,5 ele multiplier = 144 motion value * 1,3 bonus from ar and og = 187 motion values and 4 elemental hits x1.175. and you can do it at least 3 times before the monster get up from a ko.
@@elgnarfowo2678 there are some STRONG elemental lances like narwa lance (70 BASE thunder attack) that can abuse the elemental multipliers of many lance's attacks. such as : first hit of the lunging thrust x1.5 power guard counter x1.5 descending skyward hits x1.5 up to three times (with 80 mv!!!) charged sweep x1.2 third low and high poke x1.4
Lance main here. Sheathing retreat is my new favorite gap closer, monster ran away? Turn your back activate it and jump, then press block and 180 in air. If you have shield charge equipped youl not only block while traveling through the air but also hit the monster if you make contact with them and can go back to stabbing.
Shield tackle was so underwhelming when revealed And then I used it Also leaping thrust is crazy good now Lance best weapon Insta-block crazy good also
I've been wanting to try the lance after looking at how cool the Gore Lance looks. Good to know that there's more to it than spamming spiral slash now.
mh4u lance was just something else with how evade lancing worked. I remember just backhopping against gogmazios arm when he did that one drag attack and he basicly just pushed me around without doing damage
shield tackle was a game changer in terms of gameplay, it lets you move in any direction freely instead of being rooted in your animation which makes your movement alot more flexible, all while blocking and dealing KO/exhaust damage very consistently and with no stamina cost, that on top of the MV buffs made lance a actual good weapon
They literally just brought back MHGU lance which was broken in every possible way. Think about it your have Adept Guard with Valor Shield Tackle, Shield Assult / Shield Charge, Enrage Guard. And you can run it all at the same time. Oh and with Switch Skill Swap you have Absolute Evade.
Shield tackle with Guard 5 makes you an almost unstoppable jabbing machine. Love the video, great job guys. I wanted to add too that Skyward Thrust IMO isn't that great unless you line up it's vertical hitboxes in the way back down. It's fantastic for scoring multiple hits on tall monsters like Golm, long monsters that go vertically like Ibushi and Narwal, and monsters with huge wings like Shaggy and Valstrax. Do that while running Partbreaker and let the dopamine carry you
You can also run guard 3 and use Twin Vines, it gives you 2 guard for one bug which I believe is worth it, plus the ability to hop to the monster should it run away
@@hua.. I should've clarified that I mean I think it isn't great in certain situations like fighting against any of the bird wyverns or targeting a downed monsters head specifically, depending on the monster of course. Skyward Thrust gets more mileage where there's more area of a monster to pierce through from top to bottom
Indeed, it's less efficient to use it on a downed monster's head (as seen in the video here) than it is to just keep poking, but it is incredible against narwa, ibushi, and the final boss.
Shield tackle felt great to use at first but after so many hunts just spamming the same buttons I find the guard dash to be really unique. People should definitely try out this combo on the lance. Charged sweep - poke - guard dash into 3 hit poke then repeat. The multiple hits you get from the advancing poke on the guard dash actually deals a surprising amount of damage
I’ve been a lance main since mhtri. I always try and focus on the defense and counter attack gameplay. Usually loading out guard and guard up, and since world came offensive guard. Using the shield as the weapon is so fun now. Using shield tackle and the other ko based moves, it’s super easy to get ko’s as lance now.
I feel like most of the weapons would have benefited from being able to assign silkbind skills to any buttons we want. It is like they locked all the crappy silkbind behind one button and all the good ones behind the other just to force you to silkwitch
I honestly think that is the exact reason why they did it ahahah... you can have only one super move at the time while freely waving 2 of the more average ones
Knew that Skyward Thrust would kick copious amounts of ass when I got my hands on it in the demo and managed to absolutely DRILL through Tetranadon. In-game, I had my second major epiphany when I delightedly drilled through an afflicted Shogun Ceanataur with it from the tip of his crest to his pointy chin, proccing a magnificent 4-hit mega damage combo. POWERFUL stuff. People have been sleeping on it.
Left a comment on my thoughts of Lance as a whole. But highlighting it here that Skyward Thrust just feels so iffy on 80% of monsters and SOMETIMES feels really strong. But the commitment of it is one thing, the meh damage is another. However, use it on Narwa/Ibushi. Was hitting a total of 2k damage if not more on Narwa and if I fully went in for damage, I can see that rising to upwards of 3k if you get a good spot (Or if they are knocked down and you time it right, since for the final boss I get similar effects and timing it then normally nets me another 1-2 hits)
Uses for Sheathing Retreat, Evade/Close-Distance/Reposition and either... -Drop a Hellfire Bomb -Drop a Barrel Bomb -WireDash or Air Hang/Evade -Draw Thrust (Punish/Crit Draw possible) -ShieldDash/DashAttack
With Skyward Thrust, I am finally able to break some wing parts and see some great numbers. I am still trying to learn to shield tackle though. Most of the time I just press R by instinct.
Been using the lance as my only weapon in Rise and the shield tackle makes it so much more aggressive, 3 normal attacks + ST+ power guard thrust has been my usual attack pattern in Sunbreak
@@Nightken91 u can do pretty much same thing with guard tackle, the only benefit shield tackle has is that u can reposition better and a longer guard window but guard tackle is still superior for damage every speedrunner picks guard
It amazes me every time when you talk about the weapons or monsters. You are so good at explaining the movesets and the different things to notice or keep an eye on. Have learnt so many weapons due to your tutorials and weapon guides. Awesome job
"Old World" Lancers (like me): **Looks at Sheathing Retreat** "THEY MADE THE SUPER BACKHOP 2.0, and I am *ONE HUNDRED PERCENT* using it as a gap closer/repositioner rather than an escape button " And it works with Punishing Draw and Crit Draw too!
SSSHHHH!!! SHUT UUUUUP! People might be figuring out how easy and broken we are in SB! We might go from the least-popular weapon to one of the most! Lance got some MUCH needed love in Sunbreak. People were memeing so hard on Shield Tackle when it was shown in the initial switch skill reveal video, but now I can't imagine playing the weapon without it. I feel like an ACTUAL goddamn tank now, I never have to stop attacking, and the amount of KO's I get with Shield Charge is insane. My GF runs Horn so I know she's doing most of the KO buildup, plus I have a Palico with KO King that's helping, but the actual KO values on the Shield Charge initial hit and bash must be crazy high because I feel like even incidentally I'm the one that actually triggers the KO about 50% of the time. Also with the changes to Twin Vine making it actually fucking worth using now, dropping that on any monster on top of having Diversion in my set makes me feel super useful to any hunt by keeping the heat off of others and keeping the monster in a central, static location as much as possible. My girl favors horns with heals, too, so we always feel like a damn MMO party just jumping into people's hunts as an actual Tank and Healer. It's great. If you make sure to slot in some Stamina management skills and use your abilities correctly, Lance is lowkey mobile as hell and you can be very pointy, painful gum stuck to the bottom of any monster's shoe that they just cannot shake.
I've been a lance main since I started in 3U, but recent entries have made it less and less practical for actually doing damage, so this video makes me feel so happy that I can use the lance again and not feel like I'm just being carried by my team. No matter how good I was in World with lance, I just had to sink too many armor skills into guard and there were very few flashy damaging moves in the arsenal. This is just so good.
sheating retreat is essential if you refuse to use guard up. you can avoid unblockable attacks and while airborne you can initiate a shield charge to go right back at the monster doing fine damage (25+40 mv) and decent ko (10+30) or a charge attack ideally landing the twin thrust finisher (35+60 motion values)
Shearing retreat is anime lance incarnate, you can searching and still wire but in the air I often use it when the monster creates a lot of space to instantly wire bug closer and attack mid air, or just to reposition, dodge to avoid the attack but midair wirebug and attack to get back in. With wirebug whisperer you can zip around with ease and safety using seathing, you can also face away from the monster to sheathe toward it and attack mid air to engage, it’s great stuff.
Since switching to guard tackle I have less mobility without the leaping thrust, guard charge also cover less distance and use more stamina compared to dash attack, sheathing retreat gives me the mobility to quickly close distance. Since guard tackle can change direction, simply guard tackle away from monster, sheathing retreat and jump + charge cover massive distance. It also allows me to use Dust of Life much faster to save my dying friend lol
Monster Hunter videos like these are what made me try it out in the first place; since then, I've never wanted to stop playing it. I've gone through many weapons since I'm still new to the franchise, but the Lance weapon is now something I decided to main. I just love the how aggressive you can you can be whilst being able to be on the defensive if needed. I'm waiting for rise to drop for the Xbox so I can have a fresh experience with it all over again. Love the videos btw!
Another quick tip is that the parry switch skill is almost always better than standard guard. You can still do a standard guard but you have a quick parry animation before that gives you opportunity for huge damge
The only reason I don't use it is that it interferes with my execution of the guard dash, which I use *all* the time for positioning. You can guard dash instead of instablock if you press the inputs together simultaneously enough, but I have a tendency to screw up that timing, it seems.
Lowkey Jump Thrust is really strong right now and doesn't burn through your purple sharpness. I keep Guard dash on one of my scrolls so i can abuse this. Who needs Spiral Thrust anymore when the other options are more fun and strong now.
A few observations on my end: - skyward thrust is not good on downed monsters, you're better off combo-ing or using spiral thrust, use skyward on things that have a tall vertical hitbox (think Malzeno when it stands up) - I don't think shield tackle is worth giving up leaping thrust as leaping thrust spam is the best DPS on the lance provided you've got the sharpness for it, there's also the gap closing utility leaping thrust has in conjunction with the regular guard advance - the shield charge can be swapped in for the lance charge though if you want to go for KOs - I haven't gotten around to using anchor rage much as I'd rather proc offensive guard over it, my basic style is to leap thrust into charge slap into shield advance and loop, leaping thrust into shield advance is short and responsive enough to attack, defend and counter in between nearly all monster attacks and combos while keeping pressure up - I also need to work on incorporating insta block into my gameplay but given how I'm always moving, it'll require a mental change to use it
I miss the lance dealing either slash or impact damage to a monster depending on what was better on the part being hit (it made up for the lance not dealing as much as the gs or ls, and having such a short combo in exchange you could break and cut everything on a monster without damage dropoff)
guard dash is still a severe contender to use due to the hop stab that hits three times, sure it doesnt have the stun and direction switch that shield tackle has, but it makes up for it with the serious level of dps it can manage to get off. using it lets me get pretty nutty damage off. i will be testing the lance more to see what other stuff i can do with it
I think they improved the chip damage situation too. Half of Furious Rajang's moves in Iceborne rip through shields like paper; now you only need to worry about the laser, and not even that if you have Guard Up 3. And I use Sheathing Retreat more as a reposition than an escape. The monster falls over but the wing I'm targeting is on the opposite side of the body, I can now jump right over to it without needing to sheath first.
i dont think anyone mentioned it yet but sheathing retreat has s at the start of the move so if youre about to get hit by rajangs beam for example its best to time it as soon as it hits you basically.
Lance has always been a favourite of mine. Simple yet stylish, you literally turn a hunt into a dance as you tango with fang and claw. I had a hard time getting into Rise for seemingly no reason, but to inspire myself, I bought Sunbreak and started a fresh new Lancer. I look forward to discovering the world of Rise and Sunbreak, especially after watching this sweet little video of kickassery.
Sheathing Retreat is meant for those attacks that even counters/guard up can't handle, or at the very least it would be more dangerous for you if you counter/guard. It opens your window for a superman dive much earlier, as Lance has a really slow sheathing animation. Often, you get caught at the tail-end of the animation or you make a mistake trying to superman dive because you're mashing too hard. Situations where I can see this being perfect for are AT Velkhana's 360 breath nova in MHW:I, Narwa's transition into that one move with the circulating pillars, and Teostra nova.
sheathing retreat has a lot of potential, because you can retreat towards the monster and then go into a guard dash to safely approach if you try to do this with a spiral thrust you have to take a detour and the shield has to go through the motions before you can move so its actually slower than sheathing retreat
Lance was the weapon that originally got me *really* into enjoying Monster Hunter. Back in the Tri days on the Wii, I just stumbled through the game... until I picked up Lance and actually started to "get" what this series was going for. I'll always have a soft spot for the Lance because of that. But ever since then, I've enjoyed the Lance less and less with every new game and sometimes got the feeling it was getting a bit... left behind? Certainly felt about it like that in World & Iceborne, that's for sure. Maybe now I'll finally be able to pick it up again, it's been too long.
Sheathing retreat is a GREAT tool. It is an amazing repositioning tool...say you KO the monster you turn around and sheathing retreat over the monster to the tail to cut it. It just takes some though to use.
I use the sheath skill backwards to approach a monster quickly when it is a bit further away, you can hit attack while coming down to adjust where your facing and hit them as you land, it's super handy!
The best use for sheathing retreat is to press Guard while in the air to go straight into a charge. So you'd i-frame through an attack and imediatly charge afterwards
In Iceborne, I learned to use Guarded Dash to reset instead of a hop. It's handy for keeping even more agression and Status/ Element on the monster. This new KO addition is just... it's perfect
For guard Dash into jump thrust the amount of damage done within the same frame of time as the Skywards thrust. without the down side of being comisited and locked into animation
Great explanation for shield tackle. However I would like to point out that it also is the only tri-poke connector that changes the direction you are facing. I dont have too many experience with skyward thrust, but I dont think it is worth replacing spiral thrust. Spiral thrust is just such a good mobility tool especially in multiplayer when you are not guaranteed to be the target of attacks.
Lance is a ton of fun. It felt a bit off in Rise, but having 2 counters (Anchor Rage and regular) was and is great. I've been countering moves back to back quite a bit in Sunbreak and it' feels so epic. One thing I'm still bad at because I'm not a lance main is sticking to monsters that play keep away. Barioth's been running circles around me shooting ice tornados just out of reach lol
When I first used the shield tackle, my old main got everything I needed! Instant counter, reset, positioning and stun damage. Just sublime for the sticky playstyle :)
Ok, I'm listening ! I loved the lance in Iceborne with the busted addition of the counter-claw lance playstlye, I felt immortal with mechanic, and that was the first and only time I played lance. (Shoutout to Herny for convincing me to play it !) I was hoping that I would stick around for it for Rise but it just didn't feel the same after that, but with the points you've raised about it now on Sunbreak, I am definitely going to give it a try again!
Twin vines is really good now is my biggest thing with it. The targetting on the hop is much better and it's far more forgiving with the block animation while jumping. The real upside though is those free points in guard, yes I said points as in multiple. That with the hop and increased aggro makes it so even in group hunts repeatedly getting counter after counter becomes the norm.
I've been loving lance in Sunbreak, my current build is full Scorned because the defence loss doesn't really do much when you can block and I just go full poke on the monster using Anchor and Spiral combined, the damage I can output is pretty insane, especially considering how weak it felt in base Rise
my ice lance set is the following : the shark lance 330 raw 55 ice and long white attack 7 offensive guard 3 ice attack 5 weakness exploit 3 critboost 3 and some other qol skills if you ko a rajang after you successfull block one of his strongest attacks with anchor rage, you can do the following combo at least 3 times : charged sweep back shield hop and lunging thrust. i did the math, the damage is 2505. 2630 if you equip the correct rampage decoration. this is very good.
I was totally expecting Lance to be very bad compared to all of the rest of the cast but I am so happy that it is actually somewhat viable it's so satisfying to play The exception being a certain new switch skill name of skyward thrust that is pretty stinky
I use the move and yes it does do damage but not as much as just drilling away at the monsters face with the three hit thrust attack but hopefully a potential buff can be added to it in the future updates
@@skipidy0dan205 I really do think that a defensive buff would be better than more damage adding a shield hurtbox would give the move such utility not like spiral thrust but just a normal shield
I’ve been waiting for this video because I dropped the lance and picked it back up running Focus 3 for charged slap lance , so much damage with a slugger KO
Honestly, a move like skyward thrust would have been much better & make more sense for lance if it's hunter throwing the lance high vertical like some kind of aerial attack (using wire bug), & boomerang back, instead of vertical jump attack. While this move happen, the hunter unable to move but on guard mode.
I was a lance main in 3u and 4u, but kinda fell off in the generations between then and now. Sunbreak lance is a refreshing return to form for me thanks to the changes.
Thank you for making this video, lance main in World and Iceborne but I haven't bought Sunbreak because I didn't like lance at all in Rise - I actually went back to play Iceborne after only 100 hours in Rise because lance is much more fun IMO. But seeing this, I'm definitely going to pick up Sunbreak as it looks like they made my favorite weapon fun again!
Good to know this cuz I've been enjoying the lance a lot as a beginner but my times with it are always much longer than with the hammer. Bear in mind I'm still doing the village quests on early game, so very beginner still. Regardless, I was a bit sad that my favorite weapon is also my slowest. I guess once I get into the expansion things will change.
So i use sheathing retreat to cover greater distances a bit like a super backhop it's my favorite new lance move you can just catapult at the monster on the other side of the zone
I love the Lance in Sunbreak. They really made the weapon so much better in general. It was my very first weapon back during 3U and it has changed so much.
Skyward thrust is great for a few reasons. When a monster is toppled you can use it to slap poke slap sky thrust for good damage before it gets up. I have used it to dodge and counter a tail swing and after blocking raths tail backflip or any monster monster that stands straight up. I managed to record me using it against furious rajang only for him to jump up after me and get hit 3 or 4 times on the way down. Lance right now i feels like puts the game on easy mode. And i only played lance for rise for a bit.
Shield Tackle is amazing yes. But it doesn't entirely overpowers the alternative Guard Dash. The Leaping Thrust attack after a Guard Dash got its MV massively buffed, and it hit 3 times with the sharpness cost of 1 hit. It is extremely good if you are running on a low purple sharpness lance, so to squeeze out all of that purple sharpness dmg multiplier. Most Lance speedrunners run with Guard Dash for Leaping Thrust if they aren't already Spiral Thusting all the time. And the buff to Cross Slash after Insta Guard is great too. Insta Guarding every moveset of a monster is incredibly satisfying, and then returning hits. Sheathing Retreat can also be used offensively as a gap closer as well. You can Sheathing Retreat into the monster's head and use Shield Charge mid air, and then Shield Bash for 2 high MV KO hits with your shield.
Lance is the definition of “it ain’t much but it’s honest work”, I never knew how much I would enjoy it when I picked it up
lance is for people with autopilot brains
No, dont, keep it quiet, we dont exist to the rest of the fandom, we just "tank"
Cap
Yup, just a tank with sheild🤣
Lol I’ve actually been seeing lots of lances in sun break so far
Lance mains not only tank physical damage but also emotional damage 😅
Lmfao right?? I liked being a lowkey chad
I think it's worth giving a big ol' shoutout to the changes to Insta Block in sunbreak. The window is every so slightly larger now (still tighter than offensive guard), which doesn't seem like much, but it makes a *world* of difference in how usable it is. That plus the change where the riposting Cross Sweep attack deals tons more damage *and* you can instead combo into switch skills from insta block makes it my favorite part of the Lance toolkit
Instablock is still a shity skill tho, requires u to stop attacking to use it which is completely opposite to how lance is supposed to be played
cross sweep do 50+80 mv with both attack elemental mutliplier of 1.5
@@songoku6067 Yes. God forbid you stop poking for 2 seconds in order to completely cancel out a huge knock back or unblockable attack (with only 1 Guard up) and counter.
Just unga bunga the monster.
@@Sentinel82 i can do that with a normal or power guard which doesnt require that i take a chance to stop attacking and "maybe" land the counter
@@songoku6067 what reason do you have to not take it, when you have all the benefits that come from instablock (extremely fast actions out of it, cross sweep being strong+comboable etc) while you have guard dash/shield tackle for sticking on the monster? To use the Normal guard would require you to stop attacking briefly too no? But why do that when Guard Dash Back blocks everything, done out of your combos, and gives you positioning, all while allowing for an instant follow up punish. (Lunging thrust)
Im sure logistically I may be sinplifying it and I expect a reply citing all the exact guard strengths behind the different blocks, but as far as I can tell guard dash has worked like a dream as my split second defense, while allowing me to keep the versatility (and style) of instablock and gather some really cool clips.
TLDR why even use normal Guard when Guard Dash exist
Biggest thing about Shield Tackle for me is being able to use it reorient, since you can use it to do a 180 and small gap close. So money, especially when you're learning a new monster
Do wanna mention that having instablock with Guard tackle gives you activation frames at the start of the animation and begins near the end of the tackle. this is fairly useful agaisnt those MR monsters with delayed attacks or practice for insta blocking.
Dont Sleep on Guard Advance however! The distance it can cover is nothing to scoff at and access to leaping thrust that lets you do a back advance into leaping thrust combo perfect for status and/or part breaking.
Lancers unite and keep the momentum going!
Frankly i'm still using guard advance in my main scroll *because* of the added mobility. It's insane how different the 2 moves are
It’s also nice how you can go from the tackle straight into a normal parry, in case if you messed the timing up. Or even a tackle into regular block.
As a Lance main, I 100% agree with this statement, and I still love Guard Advance.
I've been generally downplaying guard advance for a while now do to the stanima cost, but that is a very valid point about status buildup being better for it because you get the leaping thrust and the ability to generally control your position easier without getting turned around like you might with Guard Tackle.
Plus the dmg uptime of Leaping Thrust is pretty nuts after the buffs and it conserves sharpness as its only ever counter as 1 hit.
That being said Guard Tackle into Charged Sweep into Guard Tackle seems like a very very sexy dmg loop.
Been playing lance exclusively in pc mhr (was a ig main in switch), the direction sunbreak went for lance is amazing. Instead of giving flashy new moves and ignoring the bad toolkit, they straight up fixed the moveset instead which imo made lance play how it was meant to be played more effectively.
1. Twin vine now costs 1 wirebug instead of 2 and gives a guard buff... omg this move went from useless and expensive to a great utility tool.
2. Anchor rage now has longer guard time and gives buff according to dmg of the move block instead of knockback, making a good move even better.
3. Instaguard now does not require street fighter 3 precision to parry, its now very usable and genuinely a strong option. (Pre sunbreak i couldnt even consistently parry the toadversary it was that hard)
Thx capcom for not just ignoring a minority of your playerbase, we lance players are more than happy :D
more importantly a large MV buff across the board for lances normal moveset.
all the above changes would have felt poor if your follow ups still felt like wet noodles outside of spiral thrust.
Someone plays third strike 😈👌
Gotta admit base game lance was quite un-lancey with slap and spiral thrust being the center of the show, and insta being so stingy with the frame window it was a liability. It now flows much better all around.
Sheathing Retreat is actually pretty nice to have as you can evade an attack, I mostly use this to get away from unblockables, and during the animation you can hold the block button down to go straight into a charge to either get further away or get right back in to the fight, all-round worth taking over Twin Vine which is still janky.
I don't run evade extender on my lance sets so having this silkbind move for the anomaly quests is great.
A moment of silence for All the randoms I've seen trying to block the explosions then carts
@@chunkeebread In case you were curious it's 100% blockable with guard up. Why run away when it's just a free instablock cross sweep or anchor rage buff? (provided you time it right I guess lol)
@@Altira oh it is?? I tried blocking it multiple times but it just doesn't work. Probably have the timing wrong then
Edit: I read the reply again and the randoms I've seen just don't run guard up I guess
Running max guard and guard up along with max def up, you can even power guard through anomaly monster explosions and it dents like 15% of your health. There isn't anything unblockable anymore if you build full tank
@@ramondelgado9836 Fyi, defense actually has no influence on chip damage at all, so unless you're running defense boost because you genuinely get hit a lot (which is fine, use whatever makes you feel comfy) I would suggest slotting in something else.
Lance main since Gen 1 and the Sunbreak lance is so good. In the basegame it was quite bad imo but the Sunbreak changes made it soo much better. The shield tackle alone is amazing and the anchor rage buffs were much needed. It's so much fun now
Yup, seems like if you want to you can keep attacking non stop with the shield tackle, no more three pokes and hop
@@CaptainFalcon07 hop lance hasnt been a thing for ages
@@songoku6067 Really? Shit in world i was still going poke poke poke hop poke poke poke
@@histoiredunerage8695 well the downed monster combo has been poke poke poke charge pokepokepoke charge for a while
Unless it's gen/genu then it's striker lance's charge ender spam lmao
In rise you got... spiral thrust for literally everything
In sunbreak you got leaping thrust into charged wide swing, repeat or charged wide swing poke charged wide swing guard tackle charged wide swing repeat
Or if they're tall skyward thrust spam
@@histoiredunerage8695 Hop was an alternative to poke poke poke charge poke poke charge (repeat) if you needed to reposition or if it was more comfy
Tip:
Use sheathing retreat to close the distance to the monster by facing away from it. Then press ZR mid air to close even more distance and start the fight with a shield bash.
Happy lancing :)
The backflip reminds me so much of super back hopping in third and fourth gen.
I usually just wire bug anyway.
You can also cancel the skill into a charge, so you can very suddenly cover a massive amount of distance by facing away, doing a sick backflip toward the monster, and landing in a dead sprint lance-first.
I’ve pretty much exclusively played lance through world and rise, and the new buffs on the sun break lance are incredible. I’m still using the shield bash/anchor rage/guard dash skills from pre sun break and the damage numbers are just incredible.
Lance is so much fun now, i'm a GS main but i've started to use lance more and more with how addicting countering attacks feels in Sunbreak.
I absolutely love how it gives you this feeling of being this immovable wall that never stops attacking, its great !
I'm on the same boat as you; a GS main since around the end of 4U, and now deciding to try out lance in Sunbreak for a change of pace. I gotta say, if this is how lance is gonna be going into MH6 then I think I'm gonna have to permanently switch mains lol
Can you please tell me how its fun, i love shields and they are under used in games and i wanted to love lance in this but it seems to me that ALL you do is poke poke poke over and over and over again, i just find it so mind numbingly boring but i really wanted to like it, so is there something im missing does it have a combo i dont know about id love some advice
@@Saintphoenix86 try using instablock and counters more instead of dodging attacks, that's where the fun is in lance :)
Are you me?
The sheathing retreat can be used to drop the hellfire orb in place of spiral thrust, also you can use it as a dodge into which ever of the charge moves you have equipped
Also for some added dumb fun you can run the wall run attack boost skill and sheathing retreat to a wall, get your boost and charge back into the fight. Is it optimal? no, but feels pretty cool!
Can confirm, it's hella fun.
The main use I saw for Sheathing Retreat is against anomaly nova explosions. It still stuns you at Guard 5 GuardUp 3 if you get hit point blank. But if just outside the explosion and next to the monster, it doesn't stun but the chip damage is comparable to MR Allmother.
It's also great for repositioning. Stuck behind the monster's leg? Just vault backwards to reach the head
The fast 360° pivot potential on Shield Tackle is fantastic too.
The ability to face the monster, guard on ready, is the main advantage for me of this against guard advance.
what makes the Lance such a good weapon is that you truly never stop attacking, even your defence staggers the monster
the most buffed move is the lunging thurst.
24+20+20 motion value with the first hit having element multiplier of 1,5. and it is spammable. you can literally shred tru the monster hp with it.
let's say you use anchor rage and for 15 seconds you have max anchor rage + offensive guard active.
you have 30% more attack.
so charged sweep 80 mv 1,2 ele multiplier + lunging trust 24+20+20 first hit 1,5 ele multiplier = 144 motion value * 1,3 bonus from ar and og = 187 motion values and 4 elemental hits x1.175.
and you can do it at least 3 times before the monster get up from a ko.
What do you recommend for sets to Play elemental lance? I myself am experimenting alot with ele Lc but i am not quite satisfied with my sets jet
@@elgnarfowo2678 there are some STRONG elemental lances like narwa lance (70 BASE thunder attack) that can abuse the elemental multipliers of many lance's attacks.
such as :
first hit of the lunging thrust x1.5
power guard counter x1.5
descending skyward hits x1.5 up to three times (with 80 mv!!!)
charged sweep x1.2
third low and high poke x1.4
@@elgnarfowo2678 just go full raw (offensive guard, attack or critical eye, crit boost ,weakness exploit) and the element of your choice maxed.
Lance main here. Sheathing retreat is my new favorite gap closer, monster ran away? Turn your back activate it and jump, then press block and 180 in air. If you have shield charge equipped youl not only block while traveling through the air but also hit the monster if you make contact with them and can go back to stabbing.
Shield tackle was so underwhelming when revealed
And then I used it
Also leaping thrust is crazy good now
Lance best weapon
Insta-block crazy good also
Yeah i never thought shield tackle would be my favorite change in Sunbreak :D
I never used twin vine in base rise, but it’s so good in Sunbreak against the more agile monsters
I've been wanting to try the lance after looking at how cool the Gore Lance looks. Good to know that there's more to it than spamming spiral slash now.
mh4u lance was just something else with how evade lancing worked. I remember just backhopping against gogmazios arm when he did that one drag attack and he basicly just pushed me around without doing damage
shield tackle was a game changer in terms of gameplay, it lets you move in any direction freely instead of being rooted in your animation which makes your movement alot more flexible, all while blocking and dealing KO/exhaust damage very consistently and with no stamina cost, that on top of the MV buffs made lance a actual good weapon
They literally just brought back MHGU lance which was broken in every possible way. Think about it your have Adept Guard with Valor Shield Tackle, Shield Assult / Shield Charge, Enrage Guard. And you can run it all at the same time. Oh and with Switch Skill Swap you have Absolute Evade.
Good. Lance has been the least played weapon long enough.
Meanwhile, all us defensive players are like. "Yeah... welcome to the party Arekkz, youre late."
Shield tackle with Guard 5 makes you an almost unstoppable jabbing machine. Love the video, great job guys.
I wanted to add too that Skyward Thrust IMO isn't that great unless you line up it's vertical hitboxes in the way back down. It's fantastic for scoring multiple hits on tall monsters like Golm, long monsters that go vertically like Ibushi and Narwal, and monsters with huge wings like Shaggy and Valstrax. Do that while running Partbreaker and let the dopamine carry you
You can also run guard 3 and use Twin Vines, it gives you 2 guard for one bug which I believe is worth it, plus the ability to hop to the monster should it run away
So skyward thrust is "not that great" aside from almost every single relevant fight in the game, nice
@@hua.. I should've clarified that I mean I think it isn't great in certain situations like fighting against any of the bird wyverns or targeting a downed monsters head specifically, depending on the monster of course. Skyward Thrust gets more mileage where there's more area of a monster to pierce through from top to bottom
Indeed, it's less efficient to use it on a downed monster's head (as seen in the video here) than it is to just keep poking, but it is incredible against narwa, ibushi, and the final boss.
Shield tackle felt great to use at first but after so many hunts just spamming the same buttons I find the guard dash to be really unique.
People should definitely try out this combo on the lance.
Charged sweep - poke - guard dash into 3 hit poke then repeat.
The multiple hits you get from the advancing poke on the guard dash actually deals a surprising amount of damage
I’ve been a lance main since mhtri. I always try and focus on the defense and counter attack gameplay. Usually loading out guard and guard up, and since world came offensive guard. Using the shield as the weapon is so fun now. Using shield tackle and the other ko based moves, it’s super easy to get ko’s as lance now.
I feel like most of the weapons would have benefited from being able to assign silkbind skills to any buttons we want. It is like they locked all the crappy silkbind behind one button and all the good ones behind the other just to force you to silkwitch
I honestly think that is the exact reason why they did it ahahah... you can have only one super move at the time while freely waving 2 of the more average ones
@@erikdibiase7658 I think that could be balanced by wirebug cost. You won't want both slots using 2-cost skills just for flexibility.
@@jethrolarson I guess they didn't want to take chances... It may be improved later on with future updates although improbable
Knew that Skyward Thrust would kick copious amounts of ass when I got my hands on it in the demo and managed to absolutely DRILL through Tetranadon.
In-game, I had my second major epiphany when I delightedly drilled through an afflicted Shogun Ceanataur with it from the tip of his crest to his pointy chin, proccing a magnificent 4-hit mega damage combo.
POWERFUL stuff. People have been sleeping on it.
Left a comment on my thoughts of Lance as a whole. But highlighting it here that Skyward Thrust just feels so iffy on 80% of monsters and SOMETIMES feels really strong. But the commitment of it is one thing, the meh damage is another. However, use it on Narwa/Ibushi. Was hitting a total of 2k damage if not more on Narwa and if I fully went in for damage, I can see that rising to upwards of 3k if you get a good spot (Or if they are knocked down and you time it right, since for the final boss I get similar effects and timing it then normally nets me another 1-2 hits)
Uses for Sheathing Retreat,
Evade/Close-Distance/Reposition and either...
-Drop a Hellfire Bomb
-Drop a Barrel Bomb
-WireDash or Air Hang/Evade
-Draw Thrust (Punish/Crit Draw possible)
-ShieldDash/DashAttack
With Skyward Thrust, I am finally able to break some wing parts and see some great numbers. I am still trying to learn to shield tackle though. Most of the time I just press R by instinct.
Off topic but, 0:53 man's is absolutely dripped out of his mind
Been using the lance as my only weapon in Rise and the shield tackle makes it so much more aggressive, 3 normal attacks + ST+ power guard thrust has been my usual attack pattern in Sunbreak
thanks for the tip, will definitely try some lance runs
Guard tackle is still superior tho, the leaping thrust buffed damage is no joke
@@songoku6067 it's a 5 hit combo that you can spam with almost no stopping
@@Nightken91 u can do pretty much same thing with guard tackle, the only benefit shield tackle has is that u can reposition better and a longer guard window but guard tackle is still superior for damage every speedrunner picks guard
Shield Tackle can also change your direction and can go in any direction.
Nice tips! Also that transition at 1:19 was smooth
It amazes me every time when you talk about the weapons or monsters. You are so good at explaining the movesets and the different things to notice or keep an eye on. Have learnt so many weapons due to your tutorials and weapon guides. Awesome job
"Old World" Lancers (like me):
**Looks at Sheathing Retreat**
"THEY MADE THE SUPER BACKHOP 2.0, and I am *ONE HUNDRED PERCENT* using it as a gap closer/repositioner rather than an escape button "
And it works with Punishing Draw and Crit Draw too!
SSSHHHH!!! SHUT UUUUUP! People might be figuring out how easy and broken we are in SB! We might go from the least-popular weapon to one of the most!
Lance got some MUCH needed love in Sunbreak.
People were memeing so hard on Shield Tackle when it was shown in the initial switch skill reveal video, but now I can't imagine playing the weapon without it. I feel like an ACTUAL goddamn tank now, I never have to stop attacking, and the amount of KO's I get with Shield Charge is insane. My GF runs Horn so I know she's doing most of the KO buildup, plus I have a Palico with KO King that's helping, but the actual KO values on the Shield Charge initial hit and bash must be crazy high because I feel like even incidentally I'm the one that actually triggers the KO about 50% of the time.
Also with the changes to Twin Vine making it actually fucking worth using now, dropping that on any monster on top of having Diversion in my set makes me feel super useful to any hunt by keeping the heat off of others and keeping the monster in a central, static location as much as possible. My girl favors horns with heals, too, so we always feel like a damn MMO party just jumping into people's hunts as an actual Tank and Healer. It's great.
If you make sure to slot in some Stamina management skills and use your abilities correctly, Lance is lowkey mobile as hell and you can be very pointy, painful gum stuck to the bottom of any monster's shoe that they just cannot shake.
Started MH in 4U and started using the lance in IB - LOVE IT!!
Are we gonna talk about that video transition @1:17 Super clean. I was like wait where'd bazel go 🤣
I've been a lance main since I started in 3U, but recent entries have made it less and less practical for actually doing damage, so this video makes me feel so happy that I can use the lance again and not feel like I'm just being carried by my team. No matter how good I was in World with lance, I just had to sink too many armor skills into guard and there were very few flashy damaging moves in the arsenal. This is just so good.
P.S. you can wirebug hang mid sheathing retreat then jump out of the hang to go even further AND change directions which was not showcased here!
sheating retreat is essential if you refuse to use guard up. you can avoid unblockable attacks and while airborne you can initiate a shield charge to go right back at the monster doing fine damage (25+40 mv) and decent ko (10+30) or a charge attack ideally landing the twin thrust finisher (35+60 motion values)
Shearing retreat is anime lance incarnate, you can searching and still wire but in the air I often use it when the monster creates a lot of space to instantly wire bug closer and attack mid air, or just to reposition, dodge to avoid the attack but midair wirebug and attack to get back in. With wirebug whisperer you can zip around with ease and safety using seathing, you can also face away from the monster to sheathe toward it and attack mid air to engage, it’s great stuff.
Since switching to guard tackle I have less mobility without the leaping thrust, guard charge also cover less distance and use more stamina compared to dash attack, sheathing retreat gives me the mobility to quickly close distance. Since guard tackle can change direction, simply guard tackle away from monster, sheathing retreat and jump + charge cover massive distance. It also allows me to use Dust of Life much faster to save my dying friend lol
I've heard people say you can turn your back to the monster and use sheathing retreat as an gap closing move that you can attack out of.
Monster Hunter videos like these are what made me try it out in the first place; since then, I've never wanted to stop playing it. I've gone through many weapons since I'm still new to the franchise, but the Lance weapon is now something I decided to main. I just love the how aggressive you can you can be whilst being able to be on the defensive if needed. I'm waiting for rise to drop for the Xbox so I can have a fresh experience with it all over again. Love the videos btw!
Good use of Shield Tackle + Offensive Guard and Anchor Rage (and Spiral Thrust Buff, since it stacks now)
Means a CHONKY damage Buff.
I found sheathing retreat good for the last boss when it says it's red crap on the ground and trips you up.
As a Lance main I am so happy to see it getting some more attention in Sunbreak, hope to see more lancers pop up
Another quick tip is that the parry switch skill is almost always better than standard guard. You can still do a standard guard but you have a quick parry animation before that gives you opportunity for huge damge
The only reason I don't use it is that it interferes with my execution of the guard dash, which I use *all* the time for positioning. You can guard dash instead of instablock if you press the inputs together simultaneously enough, but I have a tendency to screw up that timing, it seems.
I believe insta block no longer lowers guard considerably, when timed poorly.
Also it has a longer window to parry and deals a lot of damage.
Instablock is now just straight up better than guard in almost all cases.
It should be an instant replace on both scrolls.
Lowkey Jump Thrust is really strong right now and doesn't burn through your purple sharpness. I keep Guard dash on one of my scrolls so i can abuse this. Who needs Spiral Thrust anymore when the other options are more fun and strong now.
A few observations on my end:
- skyward thrust is not good on downed monsters, you're better off combo-ing or using spiral thrust, use skyward on things that have a tall vertical hitbox (think Malzeno when it stands up)
- I don't think shield tackle is worth giving up leaping thrust as leaping thrust spam is the best DPS on the lance provided you've got the sharpness for it, there's also the gap closing utility leaping thrust has in conjunction with the regular guard advance
- the shield charge can be swapped in for the lance charge though if you want to go for KOs
- I haven't gotten around to using anchor rage much as I'd rather proc offensive guard over it, my basic style is to leap thrust into charge slap into shield advance and loop, leaping thrust into shield advance is short and responsive enough to attack, defend and counter in between nearly all monster attacks and combos while keeping pressure up
- I also need to work on incorporating insta block into my gameplay but given how I'm always moving, it'll require a mental change to use it
I miss the lance dealing either slash or impact damage to a monster depending on what was better on the part being hit (it made up for the lance not dealing as much as the gs or ls, and having such a short combo in exchange you could break and cut everything on a monster without damage dropoff)
Was that removed? I was fairly certain that was still a thing.
guard dash is still a severe contender to use due to the hop stab that hits three times, sure it doesnt have the stun and direction switch that shield tackle has, but it makes up for it with the serious level of dps it can manage to get off. using it lets me get pretty nutty damage off. i will be testing the lance more to see what other stuff i can do with it
Ive just gotten back to the good ol Lance a couple of days ago. This was a really cool vid. Might have to try out these tips,
I think they improved the chip damage situation too. Half of Furious Rajang's moves in Iceborne rip through shields like paper; now you only need to worry about the laser, and not even that if you have Guard Up 3.
And I use Sheathing Retreat more as a reposition than an escape. The monster falls over but the wing I'm targeting is on the opposite side of the body, I can now jump right over to it without needing to sheath first.
i dont think anyone mentioned it yet but sheathing retreat has s at the start of the move so if youre about to get hit by rajangs beam for example its best to time it as soon as it hits you basically.
Lance was my first MH love back in Tri. I have mostly abandoned it since MH4U, but this video has me excited to try getting back into it.
Lance has always been a favourite of mine. Simple yet stylish, you literally turn a hunt into a dance as you tango with fang and claw. I had a hard time getting into Rise for seemingly no reason, but to inspire myself, I bought Sunbreak and started a fresh new Lancer. I look forward to discovering the world of Rise and Sunbreak, especially after watching this sweet little video of kickassery.
Sheathing Retreat is meant for those attacks that even counters/guard up can't handle, or at the very least it would be more dangerous for you if you counter/guard. It opens your window for a superman dive much earlier, as Lance has a really slow sheathing animation. Often, you get caught at the tail-end of the animation or you make a mistake trying to superman dive because you're mashing too hard.
Situations where I can see this being perfect for are AT Velkhana's 360 breath nova in MHW:I, Narwa's transition into that one move with the circulating pillars, and Teostra nova.
sheathing retreat has a lot of potential, because you can retreat towards the monster and then go into a guard dash to safely approach
if you try to do this with a spiral thrust you have to take a detour and the shield has to go through the motions before you can move so its actually slower than sheathing retreat
Lance was the weapon that originally got me *really* into enjoying Monster Hunter. Back in the Tri days on the Wii, I just stumbled through the game... until I picked up Lance and actually started to "get" what this series was going for. I'll always have a soft spot for the Lance because of that.
But ever since then, I've enjoyed the Lance less and less with every new game and sometimes got the feeling it was getting a bit... left behind? Certainly felt about it like that in World & Iceborne, that's for sure.
Maybe now I'll finally be able to pick it up again, it's been too long.
Sheathing retreat is a GREAT tool. It is an amazing repositioning tool...say you KO the monster you turn around and sheathing retreat over the monster to the tail to cut it. It just takes some though to use.
I’m getting ready to start a second run through and was strongly considering lance. This vid solidified it. Great content as always.
I use the sheath skill backwards to approach a monster quickly when it is a bit further away, you can hit attack while coming down to adjust where your facing and hit them as you land, it's super handy!
Build video? Interested to see what Alex decided to spec into
The best use for sheathing retreat is to press Guard while in the air to go straight into a charge. So you'd i-frame through an attack and imediatly charge afterwards
I still think skyward thrust needs some sort of i-frames cause it leaves you super vulnerable or at least its recovery speed from its animation.
In Iceborne, I learned to use Guarded Dash to reset instead of a hop. It's handy for keeping even more agression and Status/ Element on the monster. This new KO addition is just... it's perfect
I haven't played lance since base world but ti was my first main and this video was so nostalgic, probably gonna pick it up again in sunbreak
I love using lance, I keep carting cos I still try to back hop through attacks lol. I’m relearning to block haha. Great video :)
For guard Dash into jump thrust the amount of damage done within the same frame of time as the Skywards thrust. without the down side of being comisited and locked into animation
This looks sick. They really dropped the ball with the reveal of shield tackle.
Great explanation for shield tackle. However I would like to point out that it also is the only tri-poke connector that changes the direction you are facing.
I dont have too many experience with skyward thrust, but I dont think it is worth replacing spiral thrust. Spiral thrust is just such a good mobility tool especially in multiplayer when you are not guaranteed to be the target of attacks.
Man, evade lancing was wild. Like being an annoying fly dodging everything, except with the build of a tank...
Lance is a ton of fun. It felt a bit off in Rise, but having 2 counters (Anchor Rage and regular) was and is great. I've been countering moves back to back quite a bit in Sunbreak and it' feels so epic. One thing I'm still bad at because I'm not a lance main is sticking to monsters that play keep away. Barioth's been running circles around me shooting ice tornados just out of reach lol
When I first used the shield tackle, my old main got everything I needed! Instant counter, reset, positioning and stun damage. Just sublime for the sticky playstyle :)
Ok, I'm listening !
I loved the lance in Iceborne with the busted addition of the counter-claw lance playstlye, I felt immortal with mechanic, and that was the first and only time I played lance. (Shoutout to Herny for convincing me to play it !)
I was hoping that I would stick around for it for Rise but it just didn't feel the same after that, but with the points you've raised about it now on Sunbreak, I am definitely going to give it a try again!
Twin vines is really good now is my biggest thing with it. The targetting on the hop is much better and it's far more forgiving with the block animation while jumping. The real upside though is those free points in guard, yes I said points as in multiple. That with the hop and increased aggro makes it so even in group hunts repeatedly getting counter after counter becomes the norm.
I've been loving lance in Sunbreak, my current build is full Scorned because the defence loss doesn't really do much when you can block and I just go full poke on the monster using Anchor and Spiral combined, the damage I can output is pretty insane, especially considering how weak it felt in base Rise
I keep the retreat equipped even if rarely used. Maybe some unblockable pins or if I decide to drop guard up.
my ice lance set is the following :
the shark lance 330 raw 55 ice and long white
attack 7
offensive guard 3
ice attack 5
weakness exploit 3
critboost 3
and some other qol skills
if you ko a rajang after you successfull block one of his strongest attacks with anchor rage, you can do the following combo at least 3 times : charged sweep back shield hop and lunging thrust.
i did the math, the damage is 2505.
2630 if you equip the correct rampage decoration.
this is very good.
Been a lance main since back in Tri (didn't play GU much, mind) so seeing it get this much love is really nice.
I was totally expecting Lance to be very bad compared to all of the rest of the cast but I am so happy that it is actually somewhat viable it's so satisfying to play
The exception being a certain new switch skill name of skyward thrust that is pretty stinky
I use the move and yes it does do damage but not as much as just drilling away at the monsters face with the three hit thrust attack but hopefully a potential buff can be added to it in the future updates
@@skipidy0dan205 I really do think that a defensive buff would be better than more damage adding a shield hurtbox would give the move such utility not like spiral thrust but just a normal shield
Most people use spiral thrust wrong. It's a counter
I’ve been waiting for this video because I dropped the lance and picked it back up running Focus 3 for charged slap lance , so much damage with a slugger KO
So glad Lance got some love in sunbreak. Haven't mained it since the start of world but I think i need to pick it back up now
Honestly, a move like skyward thrust would have been much better & make more sense for lance if it's hunter throwing the lance high vertical like some kind of aerial attack (using wire bug), & boomerang back, instead of vertical jump attack. While this move happen, the hunter unable to move but on guard mode.
I was a lance main in 3u and 4u, but kinda fell off in the generations between then and now. Sunbreak lance is a refreshing return to form for me thanks to the changes.
Thank you for making this video, lance main in World and Iceborne but I haven't bought Sunbreak because I didn't like lance at all in Rise - I actually went back to play Iceborne after only 100 hours in Rise because lance is much more fun IMO. But seeing this, I'm definitely going to pick up Sunbreak as it looks like they made my favorite weapon fun again!
I see what you did there @1:19 dope transition
Good to know this cuz I've been enjoying the lance a lot as a beginner but my times with it are always much longer than with the hammer. Bear in mind I'm still doing the village quests on early game, so very beginner still. Regardless, I was a bit sad that my favorite weapon is also my slowest. I guess once I get into the expansion things will change.
So i use sheathing retreat to cover greater distances a bit like a super backhop it's my favorite new lance move you can just catapult at the monster on the other side of the zone
I love the Lance in Sunbreak. They really made the weapon so much better in general. It was my very first weapon back during 3U and it has changed so much.
Sidenote, but the layered armor shown in this video is pure fire.
1:19 That was a slick transition.
I've used the Lance before, but haven't tried it in Sunbreak yet. Now I've got something to look forward to.
I like to evade and affinity lance,glad to finally see some improvements to Lance in Rise/ Sunbreak. Pokke Village Resident here.
Thank you for making this video! I am a Lance Main!
Skyward thrust is great for a few reasons. When a monster is toppled you can use it to slap poke slap sky thrust for good damage before it gets up. I have used it to dodge and counter a tail swing and after blocking raths tail backflip or any monster monster that stands straight up. I managed to record me using it against furious rajang only for him to jump up after me and get hit 3 or 4 times on the way down. Lance right now i feels like puts the game on easy mode. And i only played lance for rise for a bit.
Shield Tackle is amazing yes. But it doesn't entirely overpowers the alternative Guard Dash.
The Leaping Thrust attack after a Guard Dash got its MV massively buffed, and it hit 3 times with the sharpness cost of 1 hit. It is extremely good if you are running on a low purple sharpness lance, so to squeeze out all of that purple sharpness dmg multiplier. Most Lance speedrunners run with Guard Dash for Leaping Thrust if they aren't already Spiral Thusting all the time.
And the buff to Cross Slash after Insta Guard is great too. Insta Guarding every moveset of a monster is incredibly satisfying, and then returning hits.
Sheathing Retreat can also be used offensively as a gap closer as well. You can Sheathing Retreat into the monster's head and use Shield Charge mid air, and then Shield Bash for 2 high MV KO hits with your shield.