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Another thing I want to add about the child kidnapping: Gorr believes all gods to be evil, yet he kidnaps the kids assuming that Thor would be selfless enough to risk his life saving them.
It's like the stupid quarrymen in Gargoyles Season 3. Their whole argument is the gargoyles are evil monsters that are a threat to people, yet they lure them out by either pretending to be helpless victims or using innocents as bait. Yes, you can make the argument that "racism is not logical," but it's still a pretty big leap that NO ONE would notice the irony.
Gorr saw Thor is a hero type and was counting on him to save the kids not out of selflessness but like other gods that do protect their citizens likely out of their own pompousness. Gorr kills gods that do look over their people but likely ties it back to his god Rapu only caring about his own glory. He also hears stories of Thor being heroic
The fact that Marvel wasted Gorr, one of the best and most interesting Thor's villains in the comics, just makes me even more worried that our hope for Doctor Doom being done justice in the MCU might be doomed.
It's so pathetic that they wasted him. I thought they should've given him like a 3-5 movie arc. Not being the main baddy but someone who comes and goes. Not only is the character wasted but Christian Bale was awesome playing him.
I feel one of the bigger problems is that we never see Gorr kill any other gods besides Rapu, so we don't get a sense of the threat he truly poses to Thor.
I personally would have enjoyed seeing the death of Koalemos: Greek god of stupidity. Itztlacoliuhqui: the Aztec frost god. Cloacina: being a goddess of sex and sewers it’d be a mercy killing. And failed attempts at killing Kabegami: god of walls Quosmir: god of freshly laundered trousers and overused punctuation. And of course Morgan freeman.
You have Chris Hemsworth who was born to play thor, you have the god butcher storyline from the comics which is absolutely wild and awesome, you have Christian Bale who is an incredible actor and perfect for Gor, and you have the budget of an MCU film... and you ended up making one of the worst movies I've ever seen... That is truly impressive
@@ProjektTaku that's true for every comic book character with their own story arc, it's why these big studios are rushing to make comic book movies, the script is there, not only that, it has wide public approval already, but instead of trusting the taste of comic book readers they try to cram in 'reach' for more demographics and/or political correctness, and that is where stuff goes wrong.
@@ProjektTaku it's all about the target demographics and the focus groups that give feedback on this before they go and do it, big budgets = small balls from the producers because the stakes are high so they play it safe. It's sad, movies are seen as a business, not as art nowadays.
I have definitely been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like; thrice when the once past didn't pass as against not before, but only once after not indifferently out sized by two to seven for seven seconds.
@@KoiKoy56 If that was true he wouldnt have needed the children in the first place. Hes already the God-Butcher at this point so why wouldnt his demise be considered something of a great deed or honor for a god? Him banking on the holier than thou mindset of gods crumbles when he doesnt actually make gods choose between their subjects and their godhood. He steals children of gods to draw out Thor. If he truly belived that Thor only cared about his legacy than Gorr wouldnt have given him a moral obligation to fight. He could have played on how Thor use to care for nothing but the thrill of battle, that he was a god before he was a hero just like in thor 1. He could have drawn Thor into willingly taking a one on one fight by playing on how hes lost his true self, how Thor the god was feared more than thor the avenger. Its actually crazy bc we could have had some great dialogue as Thor's journey in the first movie directly contradicts Gorr's perception of the gods. Instead Gorr banks on terrorizing children as his way to get Thor by himself, which if he didnt do he wouldnt have had to fight an army of children with plot armor. Gorr's motovation is inconsistent at best.
Bro I won't lie, Christian Bale as Gorr was so good, it just made me cry , like How he played Gorr, so broken, so desperate, the love for his daughter, Godamm Christian Bale is something else man!
@@Tenchi707 Christian Bale added a LOT to MCU Gorr, however, the story of Gorr in the comics has way more gravity. It leads to a MASSIVE change in the entire character of Thor with the "Original Sin" event. Which results in Thor's best moment in the lead up "Secret Wars" (2015) during Hickmann's "Time Runs Out" (Vol. 4)
@@Dimmary Well, that was the point. Most gods are portrayed to be selfish boasting horny bastards most of the time (I namely speak of Zeus in that regard) so it was accurate.
Sad thing is Gorr could've been Marvel's darkest and most interesting villain. The stuff he did in the comics is horrifying, he's basically Thanos but no restraint and who actively does everything himself. He LOVES what he does and enjoys every second of it. Instead we got a possibly good character wasted so Waitit could make fifty screaming goat jokes.
I don't see how you could compare him to Thanos at all. Also, Gorr in the comics still gets his strength from the necrosword. The sword, crafted in darkness, made specifically to kill the gods who destroyed Knoll's darkness. I do agree that they could have done Gorr better, for sure. Probably by introducing him in a different movie and then finishing his progression in this second movie. Show him killing some gods rather than showing some dead gods. Taking the fight to Thor, and keeping it there until the end of the conflict (rather than escaping and luring Thor away). Also, not using Eternity like it's a tool for mortals with a key to use as a wishing well. That was probably my least favorite part of the movie. Shits so dumb.
Gorr could have been most interesting villain. Killmonger could have been most interesting villain. Hela could have been most interesting villain. The Mandarin could have been most interesting villain.
I think it was more "laugh in spite of what Thor's been through", but yeah, L&T does over-rely on jokes. But then, I'd argue Ragnarok did as well. Main reason I didn't love that film as much as everyone else does.
@@daniellauricella5132 Yeah, that joke Korg made about Asgard being gone now mere seconds after all the Asgardians watched their homes perish made me cringe so hard.
My gripe here is that the mcguffin introduced is basically an omnipotent wishing well, which basically functions the same as collecting all 6 infinity stones. Seems it would be a lot easier for Thanos and his army to chase this 1 mcguffin instead of 6, and still achieve the same results to snap half the universe away.
Thanos didn't know about it. The Necrosword compelled and told Gorr what to do and gave him the goal of unlocking the path to Eternity. There are several ways to skin a cat in this Universe.
The best version of Thor was Infinity War, as he was serious, focused, and had a goal of avenging others! Well, as of now, he went from that to turning into a laughing stock. As for Gorr, there was so much missed potential with him. He was undoubtedly the best part of the whole movie, but the fact that he had less screen time just made me so upset. We had the potential for another character to become Thanos level and now, that idea is wasted down the drain.
They mistreated Gorr in this movie. The same way how they treated Taskmaster. I wholeheartedly agree with you that he had the potential to be the next intimidating villain. But even when he did do something, it wasn't allowed to be thrilling, because a joke had to be made every 30 seconds. Such a shame the humor just keeps on getting more plentiful all the time, while I keep hoping they'd course correct away from it. (I mean sure the subtle humor, like from before works great in moments where it fits, but here, it took away a lot of gravity...)
Yeah, so many posibilities to explore with Gorr, a bunch of cool ideas that just were never able to land cause "let's make it all a joke, they'll like it"
They made him a laughing stock in Ragnarok, a movie as awful as Love and Thunder which for some reason barely gets the hate it deserves. Thor was good enougy in IW but they already made him too human by that point. They got him and Loki right in the very first Thor movie, the characterization was good there and fine inhis first two solo and Avengers movies then they made him a joke.
To be honest I loved the scene where Gore talks to Valkery about how she should be on his side due to the Gods abandoning her and her sisters. If that level of thought was throughout the movie maybe it would have been good.
@@amberslahlize7961 T R U E. imo he was the best part of the movie, and his only flaw is his criminally low screentime. honestly, first 5 minutes>>>the rest of the movie
I feel like a lot of Gor's problem could be fixed by him needing to kill lesser gods to power up the necrosword. If this sword is already so powerful why couldn't the previous wielder kill a single god? Then we could see Gor progress in a linear way as the sword corrupts his body and mind more with each kill. Then we can explain the kidnapping of the kids and stuff as the sword feeding off of his lust for revenge and corrupting him. Nice, neat and still works with the ending we got.
could also make that he becomes obssessed with the power instead of making the sword the actual villain, this way it gives more nuance to Gor while also allowing his daughter to be a beacon of humanity to him, about the child kidnapping I really can't see how to explain that, maybe make him have a delusion that one the children look similar to his so he kidnaps her and tries to kidnap more children to give her friends or something like that, idk if he has any other details to his backstory like how it was where he lived, his wife etc
"Lets make a villain who is a god killer but not show actual killing." "Lets write a script but throw it in the bin after and let everyone be themselves" Taika and the writers, probably.
@@rpstephen Yeah the MCU is looking good And the future of the MCU is looking good But what do I know I've only ever seen every single scifi movie ever made Now you be a good boy and run along and go watch your B list movies 👍
If none of the characters take the threat seriously it’s hard for the audience to take the threat seriously. That scene with all the gods mainly showed the threat not being a big deal
if gorr tryed to confort the kids instead of bullying them, that scene would be way more convincing, and actually scarier, to see a monster kidnapper like gorr trying to be nice with the kids and failing to make them feel safe. It would be consistent once he didn't want to harm the kids, only to have them as hostages. It would be a great character arc if he then consciously attacked the children in the final act, once that would show how far his hatred brought him.
Or they could have gone a different route. So Gorr would have tried to convince the kids that believing in their gods is wrong.... Maybe him trying to corrupt the planetary societies so they stand up to their gods.... So the gods are forced to intervene and proof that they are worthy of their status.
@@cylondorado4582 asgardians arent gods and according to what mcu established earlier in the avengers , thor is an alien but now he is a god and what does god even mean in the mcu most of them are self titled they really messed up the lore
It would also be a nice contrast to Wanda. Kids confronting her made her realize she was the bad guy. But Gorr would just double down. Then when he attacks or harms a kid in the climax, he realizes how far he's fallen.
When Gorr kidnapped the children, I honestly thought he had "good" motives. Like wanting to bring them to a place that is fun and safe (by his standards) since he is out killing gods and destroying civilizations. I thought he would try to be gentle and kind only to be shunned by the kids who are scared of him. And we'll see a bit of humanity in him and sympathize with him. But that's not what happened. I actually forgot now why the kids were taken in the first place.
Christian Bale hesitated to accept the role of Gorr at first. Why? Because of potential scheduling conflicts, but his kids successfully persuaded him take on the role. He arranged his timetable to make it possible. His most commerical venture to date. Clearly, his dedication is not shared by the filmmakers.
Not shared either by the producers, everybody praises feige for no reason but he clearly never gave a shit about the source material and 99% of the mcu is proof of that. Bale and Portman were totally wasted in this cringe movie.
@@CabezasDePescado - Hard disagree on that '99%'. Prior to Phase 4, we've had the likes of CA: TWS, GotG, IW, etc. And frankly, I don't mind deviation from source materials (as long as not too much), because I don't read the comics. What's important is the execution, and Feige is fumbling it as of late.
@@rogerkincaid931 yes, there are some good mcu movies, but they are just a few, most of them are mediocre at best and bad/cringe at worst, and i dont mind not being 100% faitfhul to the comic books as long as they respect what the characters are all about, but what is the point of making an adaptation if you are just gonna left the name the characters and change everything else?
That last point is amazing. It would benefit Marvel so much if they toned the galaxy threats a bit and focused on more grounded stories since time has proven that they were the best ones. It would allow more character progression and less work for the VFX crew
I've been saying this for years. I'm so sick of save the world stories. Even the few save the world plots I can think of succeeded in spite of it, like Infinity War which wasn't really about the stones, it was about Thanos, one man, and his personal motivations.
I used to be a casual MCU watcher. I used to think they're all just mindless childish CGI superhero stuff, but that all changed when I watched Civil War. I have only watched like three MCU movies prior to this, mind you, and I didn't know the characters well, but I was blown away with the plot. I'm still hoping that the MCU can pull off another Civil War again. (And Winter Soldier, too.)
@@xipheonj yeah, The Boys is a better superhero story than most marvel films even though it is a story about the manchild that has super power. At this point saving MCU universe has no weight anymore because apparently it has been saved every single day.
I really think a main issue with this film is that Thor and gore and no relationship. I would have loved to see a world where their first interaction is spawned by Thor hunting Gore to be beat. Like we start the film where Thor isn’t lost, he’s found his purpose in traveling the world with the Guardians helping people, but he hears whispers of the god butcher and goes to find the remaining gods of Asgard that he once fought alongside to go fight this god butcher. You end the first act with a big fight, Gore kills Sif and a bunch of Asgardian gods that Thor has been building relationships with throughout the act and moves on. Thor has to go to the city of the gods and have the movie progress from there with the two having an actual reason to fight each other
In the comic, Thor first encounters Gorr in the Viking era while partying on Earth with some Vikings, this is before his hammer is even forged. Gorr ties him up in a cave and is torturing him for information when the Vikings come to his rescue and force Gorr to flea. Gorr sees himself as a liberator and didn't expect to be attacked by the humans, whom he doesn't want to hurt. The story is told in 3 different timelines: Young Thor, Present Thor, and Old Thor.
So, I think we could fix a few of the issues here. 1) Like was suggested, have Gorr need Zeus' Lightning bolt in order to get his wish. 1 wish = Necro-blade ( a weapon that can kill anything) and the Spark of Life ( a tool that can temporarily imbue and prolong life but not resurrect ). 2) Have Gorr tell Thor that the Spark is the only thing that can defeat him, before taking the kids and leaving. 3) Thor and crew go to god-planet to get the bolt from Zeus. 4) It is revealed the bolt isn't the Spark of Life. In exchange for ruling god-world Zeus gave the real Spark to Odin ages ago 5) Later it is revealed that Odin used the Spark of Life to create Mjolnir. It's Life essence was meant to balance and control Hela (hence why she has it in the past mural), but she abandoned it seeking the flame eternal instead. 6) Jane is only still alive because the Spark of Life inside Mjolnir is keeping her alive, but it can only do so much and she will still die 7) Jane surrenders Mjolnir to save the children, sacrificing herself for them. The catalyst that stops Gorr in his tracks and makes him realize that he's being the baddie. Now we have a McGuffin quest, a reason for Jane to be there, and a thematic dichotomy between life and death
Nope, for whatever reason his portrayal came across as inconsistent and goofy. Josh Brolin's Thanos was consistently understated yet emotive and impactful.
@@dangerfly Might just be for you. Or might because the movie itself is a goofy shithole whilst Christian Bale was one of the few trying their best to make it less goofy but he cant because the director, Taika Waititi is a manchild with a unique voice and now thinks hes a good director. Hes a one trick pony that makes the film 99.99% "comedic" just like how Amy Schumer makes her joke 99.99% about s*x.
This movie is actually ripe with interesting topics and themes. • Further exploring Thor's loss, through the Guardians of the Galaxy. We didn't just miss more humor and action from the Guardians, we missed out the dramatic substance they may offer. Quill's mother even nearly mirrors the life of Jane's. • Exploring Mortality vs immortality. Gorr, a mortal, now possess a tool to challenge immortals. Jane has cancer and she has to come to accept mortality while simultaneously granted a form of immortality through the Mjolnir. • This is optional, but my favorite theme of Thor's is his fate. It was strongly built up from 'Ragnarok' to 'Endgame' and it's abandoned by this movie. What this movie did: • Introduce Asgardian children so it could repeat a plot point done much better in 'Batman Returns'; these children are only blackmail materials. • Introduce the gods and did next to nothing with them, despite the fact that the movie is about them being hunted. • introduce Eternity, a being said to be the personifcation of the multiverse, and had him in a "genie" kind of role. • Fatally waste Christian Bale. All those missed opportunities and misfire creative decisions are put together in a script already full of holes and laced with unfunny comedy. The only thing layered about it is the dissapointment. You could pick it apart from any angle and it'd promptly crumble.
When Jane mentioned that she had cancer I immediately thought "What if Starlord was there and how he he react to that". That moment wasn't given the emotional weight it deserved. Cancer isn't a punchline. What I really want for Thor's character is for him to feel complete on his own (even with a foster child...I guess) and to end his character arc from there. How do we go from Thor not sustaining a relationship to Thor raising a child? When was that even a personal goal for him in the other movies? Anyway, I'm so intrigued by Eternity and can't wait to see more of that character. Hopefully Black Panther touches on it way more.
@TheGlassesPro Deadpool was written when marvel was still at it's peak. I'm honestly glad they didn't make more deadpool movies given marvel's current trend of mediocre to bad movies post endgame.
I knew from the moment someone said "Gorr is the best MCU villain, better than Thanos" that they are shitting the bed big time. First reason being that it's impossible to create a complex villain in such a short time and second, well, Waitit was directing it.
I like to belive there exists a much better version of this film , without the jelous stormbreaker , some of the bad jokes should be removed too. Add more Gorr scenes , the serious deleted Zeus scene . The film had potential but they F-ed it up . Maybe they can snyder-cut this sh*t but i dout taika waititi and Marvel care enough
I really like this channel. Instead of just giving reasons why the movie is (which is something I feel a lot of review channels do), you actually give constructive feedback and what you would like to see changed. You also make some very good points on the flaws of the movie. Great work!
@@asdsdawdasxxaswwsda5417 No, he actually used the sound bytes from other Christian Bale's movies such as Batman and American Psycho. He's a genius editor.
I loved the God Butcher/God Bomb story in the comics. Gorr kept Thor alive because Thor was going through a "God-life crisis" and Gorr saw that Thor didn't actually disagree with Gorr about how useless the Gods were. I knew when it was announced that there was no way they were going to make a Thor movie that dark and introspective, and hate that this movie is most peoples only exposure to the story.
I mean tbh I completely disagree about all the "tension" in the final scene. Marvel may have some hardcore stuff but as soon as I saw that Thor was fighting with a bunch of literal kids I knew that not a single one would die. The fact that they were children actually took all tension that could've been in the scene, out of it.
unless if it's Star Wars, most kids are going to be fine and not get hurt or killed at all in a battle as that's where tone is usually lighter from them. Unless if it's star wars of course, than those kids are getting murked on the spot. lol
Yeah that is another thing with that scene - if Thor can give his powers away like that to like 30 odd kids, then why couldn't he of done that in the first place with the parents, and all of them go and save the kids - like a huge Asgardian army sort of thing. Even more - at any point in the Avenger saga, he could of made a literal army of gods to help Thanos at any point. After End game, MCU went down hill very fast with few exceptions.
The thing that I found most frustrating about this film, from a writing perspective, was the scene where Gorr captured the heroes in the shadow realm and started monologuing. What he said in this monologue revealed that there were genuine character parallels between them and Gorr - Thor had just killed a god (ignoring the post credits scene) to achieve his own ends, Valkyrie had lost a loved one due to the actions/inactions of gods (her girlfriend vs. Gorr's daughter), and Jane was gaining power from a weapon that was slowly killing her (hammer vs. sword) - but rather than display these parallels through actions or visual techniques, the writers delivered them in monologue form. To see this sort of quality writing set up and squandered was like seeing 24 karat gold used to make paperclips. I know that this sort of intense, introspective writing would probably seem out of place in an otherwise goofy film, but since the writers were comfortable depicting one of the main characters dying of cancer, they were already dealing with pretty heavy themes. Maybe I'm just overthinking this, and the similarities were coincidences and never meant to be taken seriously, but it feels too specific - as if it were an idea that got abandoned but was still left in the script, half-baked.
I think you're right myself, the movie could have been re-edited and/or slightly rewritten to explore these themes, was very interested to see a version of Zeus very different from what we seen on in the film. Christian Bale bid just enough to convince me he could have created a classic character with a better film around him.
I think the parallel between Jane and Gorr is forced as well. It makes no sense why their respective weapons would have to drain their lives. But I agree with your "24 karat gold as paper clips" analogy. Coupled with Thor's previous appearance and induction into the Guardians of the Galaxy, this movie's premise is rich with conflicts to explore. Instead, it's almost as if they were avoiding them, creating new conflicts that never really serve any thematic value. As if they somehow ran into a writer's block and rushed to a solution while neverminding its implication to the story. There's a parallel between Quill's mother and Jane's lives, being that they both fell in love with a man from space and then dying of cancer.
You’re so right. The literal best the MCU has ever been is a scene of three dudes in a room watching a VHS tape on an old TV. The stakes and tension are entirely personal. Incredible
@@1giane The climax of CIVIL WAR shown at the end of this video. Cap, Tony, and Bucky watching the old CCTV footage of the Stark parents’ car crash and murder
The moment Tony Stark watches the tape and looks up is still so chilling. A shame they put someone in charge of film who didn't even care to remove some glaring errors of it and was just stroking his ego for all of it.
The biggest problem i had with Gorr wasnt his portrayal from Christian Bale in the slightest, its more they show on the Guardians ship screen that hes killing the gods and the problem is they say that he has done and dont show it (outside of the first kill) to establish him as more of a threat and maybe as an equal to Thor & Jane but it feels like he really isnt and is the third wheel where hes the big bad with intentions that do make sense sure but it's definitely not apparent until the end and for me it does come a little bit out of left field. This movie only really set up a future for Zeus in the MCU along with Hercules. It's a movie that doesnt showcase anyone really well but rather set up for the future which i have gotten a little bit bored off. I have no problem for setting up for the future but as long as your movie is still watchable years down the line and can stand up on its own
I disagree. Gorr was right. Omnipotence city and more specifically Zeus shoes Gorr is right and we see the scale of the god beast he kills and he harms siph who we the audience are attached too. Also to raise the stairs we see him actually able to hurt Thor who is a Gary stu in terms of power levels and he kidnaps kids so the audience can feel scared by him along with the horror imagery like tentacles and jump scares etc. His love for his daughter his highlighted throughout the film
@@Thed538dhsk We don't even see who he kills though except that one god that was a giant animal looking thing. Even a montage of how he's able to kill all these powerful gods would show us just how much more of a threat he was.
I had a feeling that Gorr learning Spanish example would lead to an ad sequence, but it's still a great example of progressing a character's goal. Kudos to you!
Christian Bale's acting was phenomenal and Gorr the God Butcherer is a fantastic villain in the comics. They were so close to greatness and then dropped the ball. We only see Gorr *THE GOD BUTCHERER* butcher a single god on screen in the entire movie!!! Christian Bale deserves to be in a better movie.
@@asddsa8203 I mean, he made Jojo Rabbit after Thor Ragnarok. And there was Hunt for the Wilderpeople before that, and What We Do in the Shadows before that. Pretty much every film he made before Love & Thunder were great so it might have something to do with the MCU-Disney ecosystem.
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My biggest problem with Gorr was that his motivation never felt that convincing. He killed the first god for obvious reasons, but once he met Thor it felt too much like a braindead "I'll kill every god cause I got abandoned once". But especially after Thanos I want deeper motivations than just a one-off he avenged immediately. Plus, Thor openly displays affection to Jane, a dying mortal and immediately ventures out to save the kids, immediately proving Gorr wrong. I just don't like those cliche revenge stories that extent to an entire group of people because if one is bad all are bad. At least not if they are presented like Love & Thunder.
If you think about it... Gorr could've easily been the villain of Phase 4 and just Phase 4! His God Butchering could've easily set-up and tied together Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Eternals, Shang-Chi and even Black Panther 2 as a sort of Dark Messiah that turns the events of the Blip and the return of said people five years later as proof that super powered beings merely decide these kind of matters by themselves and the universe would be better without them, but in reality seeks to bring back the daughter he lost to his unwavering faith... Then, Love & Thunder would be the cosmic heroes version of Civil War back in Phase 3, and taking some cues from the comics, they'd have to deal with the infamous "Gorr was right" throghout the remainer of the Multiverse Saga.
I think Memento's idea that he failed to kill the first god and was trying to hunt him down is a good one, and he could develop the whole "all gods must die" mentality slowly over time after traveling the universe and seeing how other gods are just as bad.
@@erubin100 I like the idea of removing the wishing mcguffin and just make it so he needs to kill a certain number of gods to become a god, at which point he can revive his daughter. Makes it so his motivation isn't revenge, he is a loving father who feels bad about killing gods, but if he stops, he never sees his daughter again. Then he can pause while killing Thor, because he doesn't want to kill good gods, just the ones who don't help people.
regardless of how great your movie breakdowns are - what really stands out is how you ACTUALLY integrate your sponsor segments into to evaluation of the video. You somehow turn it into another part of your breakdown of the plot and how you'd improvement and honestly I appreciate that you use them to expand your point - not just throw it in as a 30s segment that I need to skip.
The only recent Marvel villain I liked was Shang Chi's father, because of his motivations and his eventual redemption. I even kinda liked Kaicilius (not sure how to spell his name) in Doctor Strange because he was someone who was manipulated and used by the bigger baddie, preying on his desires of paradise. He was so tormented by his deep desire to enter the promised paradise that simply speaking about it brought him to tears.
Whenever CGI comes up I always think back to the first Iron Man movie. It had some good practical effects, but even then the vast majority of that movie was character drama, and as a result it is in my opinion the best written marvel movie of them all. If I ever had to make a super movie, that would be the one I'd take notes on first.
I agree with all your points. Most modern Marvel does seem to rely on their villains having some quality which makes them not villains at all, which really dulls the punches. I know this video was focused on villainy, but I thought the Mighty Thor thing could have been a great movie on its own if they handled it differently. As it is, Jane becoming Thor had about as much agency as buying a lottery ticket and winning. As a matter of fact, I think it had literally as much agency. Jane read a paragraph of a book, bought a plane ticket, and maybe a ticket for the tour, and hey presto she's Thor! I think a much better movie (regardless of what the comics say, thank you very much) could have been made chronicling Jane's adventures across the universe, visiting Thor's superhero and god friends, trying to find any medical procedure that would extend her life juuust long enough to get mjolnir.
Villains are usually a byproduct of a strong film with solid themes and solid conflict Marvel has neither of those, it also throws away its villains immediately because the funny heroes are the main focus to sell things to consoomers
Depends on the Marvel movie. I'd say quite a few of their films have "solid conflict" to use your words. Black Panther, all of the Captain America movies, the 3rd and 4th Avengers movies, all the Spider-Man movies, etc. I don't think they uniformly lack "solid themes" either, unless we're being overly restrictive on what those words mean. And heroes are almost always the main focus. That's part of what being a hero is. So that isn't really a strike against Marvel either.
@@chasehedges6775 what do you mean. The theme is godhood. It ties back to Thor, Jane, Val, Gorr, the kids, Korg, the jokes, Zeus, the dialogue, the set design and character designs, etc. This is Zack Snyder's justice league but if Watiti directed
@@Ratchet2431 Sauron was barely a real presence in LOTR, and and those were less 3 movies and more 1 big story. You can't have 3 movies of Thor fighting Gorr and only that.
As you spoke on this it reminded me of Doc OC from Spiderman 2, how he had to fight against the implant to gain control. showing you that he wasn't just some bad dude but rather a slave to his inventions. He really was son obsessed with his "power of the sun in you hand" he forgot that it was to help all life. peter reminded him of this, and it was shown with the implant that he was compromised mentally. That is how you make a movie villain. Hero of his own story even if it's only in his head
I have definitely been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like; thrice when the once past didn't pass as against not before, but only once after not indifferently out sized by two to seven for seven seconds.
They keep flopping because they tend to be an afterthought. The cold in The Day After Tomorrow feels like more of a threat with more personality than most MCU villains.
Accurate assessment of not just Thor 4 but the whole MCU at the moment. It’s lost it’s soul and what made it so enthralling. Great Character interaction and emotional connections.
this was actually Taika dropping the ball and making sure he's not gonna get any MCU projects in the future or maybe any Disney projects at all , the way he talked about the possibility of making a star wars movie really shows how much he wants to escape from the mouse's sweatshop
Aw bless! You think he's not coming back! Honey they don't care about you or your opinion. They care about the almighty dollar and this movie made them some. That's all they care about. They look at his criteria and they see had a budget of this amount and tripled it, yeah we'll get him back. Hence why they will probably give him a star wars movie, because they know he makes bank. He'll be back, he'll make Disney more money and people will continue to argue about it on the internet like their opinions have ever or will ever matter.
No, Taika on Twitter when the movie was announced said he was going to ruin the thor mythos. He intentionally wanted to ruin Thor, which when you got a money man like Bob Chapek instead of an Ideologue like Bob Iger meant he was going to get axed, because Disney kinda needs money right now as things are not going well for them and ruining one of your money makers is not a smart idea.
People keep saying the MCU is lacking of a big "main" villain right now and once this villain shows up (Kang, Doom) everything will end up fine. This might be true but I feel like the heroes are also lacking massively. There might be as many heroes as never before in the MCU right now but I do not feel attached to any one like I did with Cap, Black Widow, Iron Man etc. I feel like Marvel went way too far with quantity over quality after Endgame and the results are the series and movies we have right now..
@@Thed538dhsk Who honestly feels attached to Kamala? Steven/Marc are cool but i feel like im only attached to them just because the actor is Oscar issac lul
You know what I just realized. Billy Butcher in the Boys is a better Gor than Gor. He does exactly what you say. He scares kids so they don't trust heroes, multiple times. But he never can put a kid in harm's way, even when the kid is a supe.
Also, why does the villain HAVE to live and die/disappear in one movie? That's what I think is the biggest problem (on top of all the other issues) with these super hero movies. Why can an animated show let the villain escape or partially win/lose the events and have them show up again in another episode or a chain of episodes, but not a movie? The closest we got with Marvel is the Winter Soldier, but of course we couldn't have Bucky be evil forever. Same with Loki. Even with Thanos, he technically still had one movie and 3 minutes of screen time in End Game, then we got Rat Thanos for the rest of it who dies in the end. It leaves no time for the audience (let alone the writers) to get invested with the villain and believing they could win. If they allowed more stories of villains winning I think it would get more investment as the audience we would go "oh who's going to win this time?!". Instead we sit through another of Marvel's current streak of cookie cuter, low effort, do whatever films.
That's what bothered me about Ultron a lot too. Ultron is a massive threat in the comics. One of the greats in terms of villainy. But in the MCU he's only there for like, a week, and dies. I would have loved to see him return in some capacity. Show us that he's still around. Plotting. Biding his time. Rebuilding in secret. Maybe he uploaded an .exe file of himself somewhere, and some noob sailing the high seas accidentally downloads it like in the limewire days. Boom. There's a message saying 'pirating is bad and dangerous' which I'm sure Disney would agree with. And Ultron has a chance to return. To add to this, I've always been a fan of the villains, so I might be biased. I just hope we get a another big deal villain soon.
Sane reason mace windu wanted to kill palps, to dangerous to be left alive also those actors cost more $ than cartoons or ink on a comic book do. It's a limit of the medium. Even star wars did this with the prequels and sequels. Kylo became redeemed and Darth maul, dooku, gracious all died. Palps was a "good guy" up until his "reveal"
Thank you, villains should have small wins or be defeated without dying and reappear in other projects for a final defeat then. No just be a "monster of the week (movie)" kinda thing.
What frustrated me about Gorr so much is how great he could've been. His motivation is genuinely so good, and his origin is great, they just mess it up from there
@@tomas2818 This. Ultron's supposed to be this terrifying, inhuman entity that seeks the extinction of organic life. Instead the "age" of Ultron lasted like two days, and he was reduced to a sarcastic villain. Ever watched the video where they put Robert California voice over Ultron's? That sounds scarier than what we got. And it's from a comedy show.
When you mentioned that "Thunderbolt is the key", I was really happy as I too happened to think the same while writing a blog about this film. It would have been actually great and made more sense in the movie and would have made Gorr a great planner and a intelligent person. One more issue for me with Multiverse of Madness and Love & Thunder for me is that the major cameos scenes (The Illuminati and Omnipotent City) doesn't progresses the movie's plot much and just serve the plot line (Illuminati being killed is required, so they die without giving a tough fight. Same with Zeus, but just hurt.)
Could you imagine how good this movie would have been if Taika hadn't thrown out Bro Thor? Like, Thor's finally found the light in his life and one day at a time is battling his grief and depression; Whereas Gorr has been on a centuries-long revenge tear to distract from his need to process his daughter's passing. When they finally meet, Thor, not through brutality but understanding, is able to start the healing process for Gorr. Maybe when he gets to the wishing well, Gorr wishes for, like, self-acceptance or punishment for his crimes. You could have even tripled the theme, and had Jane, rather than start processing her grief over being terminally ill, starting new projects to keep her mind occupied. Maybe she goes to land the killing blow on Gorr but can feel some semblance of his tormented, buried empathy. She realizes she's not ready to take another life and finally starts reckoning with her own mortality.
when you were talking about characters making progress throughout the story it reminded me of the show the blacklist. throughout the entire first season you start to realise that every seemingly disconnected episode is tied together on a deeper level
I'm a Scarlet Witch fan for life but Multiverse of Madness left me speechless. We went into this not expecting much and honestly are still confused about what we even saw. So many odd choices.
Chthon is only briefly mentioned even though he is the one who wrote the Darkhold, made the temple, named Wanda Scarlet Witch, wrote the prophecy, and gave her chaos magic. Wanda's struggle with Chthon should come into focus, yet they made her entire character about the kids.
@@bingobongo1615 I think that's recency bias talking. Don't get me wrong, MoM was shit, but I think calling it the worst one in the franchise is definitely a stretch. It's absolutely up there, but I don't think it can beat Eternals or Black Widow. I'd say it's probably on par with Iron Man 2
Marvel in Phase 3 and 4 generally tried to give their villains solid motivations which is an improvement from Phase 1 and 2, but I think the problem is the motivation they give kinda makes them more reasonable than the heroes so they have to either make them do things that make zero sense regarding their goal or make them do ridiculously moustache-twirling things to make them evil without nuanced, so either way they don't really work.
My friends took me to see this film to take my mind off my brother passing away from cancer...so you can guess how that went when the twist was shown it was potent-though the rest of the movie wasn't great.
Gorr the God Butcher didn't kill any gods on screen (except for the first god and that was when the sword was handed to him), and Dr Strange In the Multiverse of Madness only visited like 2 worlds. Both wasted opportunities. Oh well :/
Man, imagine if some of the Gods actually took Thor seriously and thought, “Hey, maybe we should help stop this God Butcher and and Help this God of Thunder.” But none of them do. Lazy writing
@@chasehedges6775 I guess it kind of makes sense that the gods thought they were untouchable and wouldn’t believe they were in danger. That gives Thor more to do too. It was just done too much with a slapstick comedy tone.
@@alexp601 technically strange visited many worlds the difference is he only spent a lot of time in 2 worlds. But he definitely visited many I remember the scene well.
This is what happens when a director pushes out a banger and the studios say "you know what...let's not bother them" It's the exact opposite of studio meddling. There needs to be *some* oversight. We saw it with WW84, too.
Not even true. Skeletor or Palpetine or Voldemort aren't heros of their own stories. They are just bad guys that like being bad and seem all like inspirations for this version of Gorr
@@Thed538dhsk okay... villains need to be "protagonists" in their own story. Though Palatine was definitely the hero in his own story & if he hadn't let Darth Vader (among others) run around undermining the tenets of the Empire would have been. Skelator is an 80s cartoon villain which isn't any kind of character with depth or quality. Voldemort... I can't speak of cause I never read the books (female writer, children fantasy, too old when they started coming out) or watched the movies. You could be right but your other two examples were fallacious... so the third probably is as well.
@@nestormelendez9005 Zod most definitely was the hero in his own story... unfortunately DC is just dogshit who makes terrible movies cause they can't tell anyone's story (Nolan had enough clout to tell people to fuck off which is why his trilogy is good)
Another proof that writing and characters are still most important in what makes a good story in the age of CGI. The greatest actor is still limited by what the writer gives him to work with. Unfortunately studios tend to overlook this and try to cover their incompetence with action and CGI.
I like the idea that during his killing spree, Gorr discovers the child of a God, one who he just orphaned without realising. Feeling guilt and responsible for their safety he takes them in, and as his quest continues, he ends up kidnapping dozens, some he may have to restrain or discipline to keep in line. Perhaps they try and escape and belittle him for being mortal, for example. Perhaps he has a favourite who reminds him of his child. In his fight with Thor, Gorr shows he cares to prevent colleteral damage, though with his eventual neglect or even harming of the children, as well as the environmental destruction brought about by the death of a God (God of War style), he realises the error of his ways.
I love how Filmento don't just criticize the film but also tells many ways to improve upon the script/story. It also pisses me off that multi-million dollars studios (who hire talented and capable teams) can't deliver a good story. Also, while watching Thor: Love and Thunder I thought of few things. This film has severe pacing issue. They are discussing things on boat, then they are discussing more and more. Instead, Thor shouldn't have come to know about Jane's cancer on the boat. They should have kept that conversation short. Instead, when Gorr says (to Jane), "Oh! You are dying." That should have been the revelation for Thor. From this point film should shift its tone. That shock should have made Thor more serious (about Jane, about mission). He would be more determined after that. No more comedy in the film. And when in the end (after a badass fight) when we will see that Gorr is still winning and about to kill Thor, at that moment Jane's entry to save Thor would have brought more cheers.
If his motivation was to save children from the whims of selfish gods, he could kill gods and then advance to killing the children of gods, it would be a good way of showing that his determination to kill gods is an irrational, selfish genocide that targets the innocent as well as the guilty with no distinction.
Imagine if Thor was holding a giant Boulder in the air to prevent a bunch of kids from being crushed and that's why Gorr spares Thor. In this scenario, Gorr would still want to protect children and also respect Thor for doing what this other God didn't do. Gorr would most likely have some inner conflict, since Thor showed him that not all gods are selfish and bad
@@orkaydk9430 6 minutes of screentime i wasn't frustrated watching this and he deserved so much more. He's Batman and he's mugging like a rip off of Freddy.
To be fair, gorr killing his God does happen in the comics. And the necrosword does corrupt him in the comics but rather than being some shadow sword it's supposed to be the first symbiote to ever exist in the marvel universe which then becomes apart of Gorr. The movie does a bad job at doing this which led us to getting a lamer version of Gorr
Reminder Thanos did not in fact have half a decade of build-up. It was Infinity War that actually turned him from the conquery prune person with a blinged-out glove into a character, meaning any Marvel villain has the potential to become memorable in a single film.
The villains I can appreciate the most are those who say little to nothing. They go in and do their damage without monologuing to whoever they're going to kill. What's worse is a gratuitous exposition dump ("Why I'm doing this!") immediately followed by a flashback.
ever great marvel and DC movies villians does a lots of talking , joker , thanos , loki , hela , killmonger etc etc , monologue gives them personality , most of the one dimensional villain who only does killing are mostly bad.
@@sugc3209 yeah, but if you don't have the greatest villain it's better to make them a threat first and then establish their motivation. A dangerous villain who doesn't monologue is better than a monologing villain who's a joke.
This movie is a perfect lesson of 'Repackaging 101' as it is literally a Multiverse of Madness but with gods instead of wizards and witches. You have a villain who wants its child(ren) back, they get their hands on a weapon who can potentially damage the hero, they want something the hero owns or is protecting. You also have a hero who loses his love due to the plot but moves on anyway, he fights one of his own versions(sinister strange/zeus) ,other supposedly good guys not helping the hero, villains not accomplishing anything until the hero gets close, hero acquires new powers to fend off the villain, anticlimatic end battle. I atleast felt multiverse of madness was worth watching because it brought something new to the table with the horror aspect and the hero using some different ways to defeat the villain rather the same CGI shit, but this movie was terrible. Reminds me of thor the dark world.
Loved this video, especially the ending point. Civil war is underrated. People hate on it because the big hero fight was underwhelming, but everything else in that movie was the best marvel has ever been. The introduction of Black Panther and Spider-Man was perfect. BP's story arc was incredible, and how could you not feel for Tony in that movie? Some of his best acting
Ppl hate on Civil War? I don't really delve into the fandoms here, and I've yet to see all of the pre Infinity War movies, but I did watch that one because it was so highly rated and it didn't disappoint. After that security footage scene, everything felt so on edge, and the fight was tension boiling over after an un maintainable state had been set up. I've only seen the Spiderman movies and am happy to. Honestly don't really care much about the MCU anymore other than a handful of properties.
I’ll give the movie this: The cast was top notch, Christian Bale was fantastic and the visuals and cinematography were great but the story and characters were meh
@@Thed538dhsk If it was treated with a lot seriousness and tension. Also would’ve helped if everything wasn’t too bright and colorful but not total dark and serious as well. Taika wasn’t the right director
@@Thed538dhsk In terms of tone it was a complete disaster. Screaming goats are followed by late stage cancer, is followed by lighthearted gags about weapon jealousy, are followed by kidnapped and tormented children, are followed by screaming goats again and a little more of that cancer. Also the personal stakes are virtually non-existent. Yes, there are children kidnapped, but none of them are related to Thor or known by the audience. And the heros don't really care about them either half of the time. In addition, the movie has basically nothing to tell us about any of the characters. Why does Jane even want to extend her life? What is it she wants to live for? And Thor? I... I don't even know what to ask about Thor at this point, because what exactly does he even strive to achieve? Add in the multitude of occasions of convenient storytelling and plot holes (Gorr doesn't kill Thor, even though he is the God Budger and had several opportunities; the black kid develops his magic eyes exactly when the plot requires it, for otherwise the heros would have had no way of finding the children (+ Gorr couldn't possibly know about that, so how exactly did he plan to lure Thor into the Shadow Realm?); Thor doesn't take Mjölnir into battle, even though it's a familiar weapon of his, we've seen him being able to use it, he just lost his other one, _and_ he has a personal interest in getting Mjölnir away from Jane), and you get quite a list of things that surely didn't help the story and characters.
I still can’t believe that they wasted Christian Bale for a plethora of jokes that weren’t funny. And his performance was pretty solid. He easily could’ve carried this movie if they gave him the screen time.
Something that frustrates me about the MCU and the thor series in particular is how much they just completely underuse certain actors. When you consider that once an actor is cast they can't really be recast in a different role throughout the entire MCU, you'd think some big names would get big roles. However, in the Thor series, we have: Anthony Hopkins as Odin - sure he's in the films, but a man of that talent deserves top billing, one of the greatest fucking actors of all time. Idris Elba as Hemdall - another amazing actor who somehow made a monotone character with almost no personality captivating through 3 movies. Other big names in these films? Christopher Eccleston as Malekith Zachary Levi as Fandral Chris O'Dowd as Janes boyfriend in The Dark World Jeff Goldblum as The Grandmaster Clancy Brown voicing Surtur Cate Blanchett as Hela Luke Hemsworth as Thor actor Fucking MATT DAMON as Loki Actor Christian Bale as Gorr The God Butcher Russell Crowe as Zeus Now, I get it, not all actors can get big parts, but the sheer amount of talent here that is, quite frankly, wasted, pisses me off a bit. Maybe Anthony Hopkins, Jeff Goldblum and Idris Elba I can handwave, since they get bigger roles throughout multiple movies, but there's so many that deserve more than say... 5 minutes of screen time per film.
From the little I understand, Gorr in the comics is a lot like Guts. I wonder if that was a conscious decision. Someone who comes from tragedy, is just a normal person fighting relentlessly, who becomes powerful enough to kill gods. He could have been a multi-film big bad guy if the MCU did it right.
THANK YOU for articualtings my thoughts and feelings about this movie. As much as it hurts to say, the MCU is only getting worse and worse, you show exactly why. Hopefully folks at Marvel Studios get to see some if your videos and learn from them.
All the points you made were spot on. I think gorr was heavily nerfed also. We didnt even get to see him killing gods except for the first one. Plus killing him off (which i knew they would) made it EVEN worse 😂😭. ALSO, why does he start to die straight after the sword is destroyed ?! Why doesnt it take a while or gradually happen
The last part of this video sums everything up well. I love some of the characters/villains they choose, but they’re definitely relying on too many things instead of the basics. Shang Chi and No Way Home may have been the only hits amongst all of the material they’ve put out recently. One was due to anticipation, and the other was due to the unknown. Thor is so comical at this point that it’s no stakes with him, no matter what they throw in. We know he will quip, flex a bit, and then become the hero and overcome per usual. This could’ve been their shot to reset things and let the God Butcher do some Butcherin’, but alas…
Two things killed this movie 1. Too much unnecessary jokes 2. Failure to make Gorr look menacing (we should have gotten clips of him killing gods and perhaps collecting the map to eternity from one of them)
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I we got the crazy Bale from his on set rant instead of the one here.
Please make an Over The Hedge video.
Also, finally, a Filmento video!
Everything everywhere all at once video: Take your time, bro. I’ll wait.
@@oksanapashenko
A far better Multiverse Of Madness.
Another thing I want to add about the child kidnapping: Gorr believes all gods to be evil, yet he kidnaps the kids assuming that Thor would be selfless enough to risk his life saving them.
It's like the stupid quarrymen in Gargoyles Season 3. Their whole argument is the gargoyles are evil monsters that are a threat to people, yet they lure them out by either pretending to be helpless victims or using innocents as bait. Yes, you can make the argument that "racism is not logical," but it's still a pretty big leap that NO ONE would notice the irony.
Excellent point
Gorr saw Thor is a hero type and was counting on him to save the kids not out of selflessness but like other gods that do protect their citizens likely out of their own pompousness. Gorr kills gods that do look over their people but likely ties it back to his god Rapu only caring about his own glory. He also hears stories of Thor being heroic
The movie is just senseless and the tone is awful, the script is garbage and if you start picking apart everything you will become insane
@@CabezasDePescado The script felt like it was written by a little kid.
The fact that Marvel wasted Gorr, one of the best and most interesting Thor's villains in the comics, just makes me even more worried that our hope for Doctor Doom being done justice in the MCU might be doomed.
yep :(
How will the mcu do him worst than fox films did?
It's so pathetic that they wasted him. I thought they should've given him like a 3-5 movie arc.
Not being the main baddy but someone who comes and goes. Not only is the character wasted but Christian Bale was awesome playing him.
@@Thed538dhsk doctor doom was in the fox films? which one?
@@craigime fantastic four. all three of them
I feel one of the bigger problems is that we never see Gorr kill any other gods besides Rapu, so we don't get a sense of the threat he truly poses to Thor.
MCU probably can't do that cause of religious stuff. That's why it shown off-screen.
@@spongeman1512 So they can’t show fictional Gods being killed because of religion?
I personally would have enjoyed seeing the death of
Koalemos: Greek god of stupidity.
Itztlacoliuhqui: the Aztec frost god.
Cloacina: being a goddess of sex and sewers it’d be a mercy killing.
And failed attempts at killing
Kabegami: god of walls
Quosmir: god of freshly laundered trousers and overused punctuation.
And of course Morgan freeman.
@@changvasejarik62 I need to start praying to quosmir; I never seem to have fresh laundry.
He should have slaughtered some of them where zeus was talking
You have Chris Hemsworth who was born to play thor, you have the god butcher storyline from the comics which is absolutely wild and awesome, you have Christian Bale who is an incredible actor and perfect for Gor, and you have the budget of an MCU film... and you ended up making one of the worst movies I've ever seen... That is truly impressive
literally gorr had everything you needed in the comics.
@@ProjektTaku that's true for every comic book character with their own story arc, it's why these big studios are rushing to make comic book movies, the script is there, not only that, it has wide public approval already, but instead of trusting the taste of comic book readers they try to cram in 'reach' for more demographics and/or political correctness, and that is where stuff goes wrong.
@@retardno002 yeah.
The god butcher arc in the comic was universally praised and gorr was perfect in that, so why did they have to go and ruin it?
@@ProjektTaku it's all about the target demographics and the focus groups that give feedback on this before they go and do it, big budgets = small balls from the producers because the stakes are high so they play it safe. It's sad, movies are seen as a business, not as art nowadays.
@@retardno002 but wouldn't it be safer to go with something you know already has support and is widely loved?
Gor: "Gods don't care about us"
Also Gor: "I'm counting on a God to care in order for my plan to work"
Nor genuinely care but care out of selfish reasons like glory
LAZY WRITING
I have definitely been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like; thrice when the once past didn't pass as against not before, but only once after not indifferently out sized by two to seven for seven seconds.
To be pompous, not because he genuinely cares about and loves his subjects.
Typical "god" shit.
This argument really shows y'all didn't see the point.
@@KoiKoy56 If that was true he wouldnt have needed the children in the first place. Hes already the God-Butcher at this point so why wouldnt his demise be considered something of a great deed or honor for a god? Him banking on the holier than thou mindset of gods crumbles when he doesnt actually make gods choose between their subjects and their godhood. He steals children of gods to draw out Thor. If he truly belived that Thor only cared about his legacy than Gorr wouldnt have given him a moral obligation to fight. He could have played on how Thor use to care for nothing but the thrill of battle, that he was a god before he was a hero just like in thor 1. He could have drawn Thor into willingly taking a one on one fight by playing on how hes lost his true self, how Thor the god was feared more than thor the avenger. Its actually crazy bc we could have had some great dialogue as Thor's journey in the first movie directly contradicts Gorr's perception of the gods. Instead Gorr banks on terrorizing children as his way to get Thor by himself, which if he didnt do he wouldnt have had to fight an army of children with plot armor. Gorr's motovation is inconsistent at best.
Gorr was seriously too good for a slapstick comedy film like this one. That opening scene was incredible.
Bro I won't lie, Christian Bale as Gorr was so good, it just made me cry , like How he played Gorr, so broken, so desperate, the love for his daughter, Godamm Christian Bale is something else man!
100% agree.
@@Tenchi707 Christian Bale added a LOT to MCU Gorr, however, the story of Gorr in the comics has way more gravity. It leads to a MASSIVE change in the entire character of Thor with the "Original Sin" event. Which results in Thor's best moment in the lead up "Secret Wars" (2015) during Hickmann's "Time Runs Out" (Vol. 4)
The god at the beginning was extremely dumb
@@Dimmary Well, that was the point. Most gods are portrayed to be selfish boasting horny bastards most of the time (I namely speak of Zeus in that regard) so it was accurate.
Sad thing is Gorr could've been Marvel's darkest and most interesting villain. The stuff he did in the comics is horrifying, he's basically Thanos but no restraint and who actively does everything himself. He LOVES what he does and enjoys every second of it.
Instead we got a possibly good character wasted so Waitit could make fifty screaming goat jokes.
I don't see how you could compare him to Thanos at all.
Also, Gorr in the comics still gets his strength from the necrosword. The sword, crafted in darkness, made specifically to kill the gods who destroyed Knoll's darkness.
I do agree that they could have done Gorr better, for sure. Probably by introducing him in a different movie and then finishing his progression in this second movie. Show him killing some gods rather than showing some dead gods. Taking the fight to Thor, and keeping it there until the end of the conflict (rather than escaping and luring Thor away). Also, not using Eternity like it's a tool for mortals with a key to use as a wishing well. That was probably my least favorite part of the movie. Shits so dumb.
But, the goat jokes. THE GOAT JOKES!
I find it strange that Bale signed up for it
Gorr could have been most interesting villain.
Killmonger could have been most interesting villain.
Hela could have been most interesting villain.
The Mandarin could have been most interesting villain.
Well, it's marvel. What do you expect? Someone like Gorr is more suitable for DC, which have older audience and would enjoy Gorr massacre gods
The sad thing about this is Marvel was trying to make us laugh at Thor for all the things he’s been through.
And yet they try to make Wanda a serious villain and failing miserably
@@chasehedges6775 nah Wanda didnt went it through so much
I think it was more "laugh in spite of what Thor's been through", but yeah, L&T does over-rely on jokes. But then, I'd argue Ragnarok did as well. Main reason I didn't love that film as much as everyone else does.
@@daniellauricella5132 Yeah, that joke Korg made about Asgard being gone now mere seconds after all the Asgardians watched their homes perish made me cringe so hard.
Not just at him tho, they're literally tryna make us laugh about anything that may evoke the mildest tone of seriousness
My gripe here is that the mcguffin introduced is basically an omnipotent wishing well, which basically functions the same as collecting all 6 infinity stones. Seems it would be a lot easier for Thanos and his army to chase this 1 mcguffin instead of 6, and still achieve the same results to snap half the universe away.
Yeah I thought the same, Infinity Stones were way too much trouble
Oh yea massive plot hole
Yup
Thanos didn't know about it. The Necrosword compelled and told Gorr what to do and gave him the goal of unlocking the path to Eternity. There are several ways to skin a cat in this Universe.
@@indatube so now we have a villain who’s whole plan is based off plot convenience
The best version of Thor was Infinity War, as he was serious, focused, and had a goal of avenging others! Well, as of now, he went from that to turning into a laughing stock. As for Gorr, there was so much missed potential with him. He was undoubtedly the best part of the whole movie, but the fact that he had less screen time just made me so upset. We had the potential for another character to become Thanos level and now, that idea is wasted down the drain.
execs at disney fucked up hard by letting titti wakiki direct this instead of someone with a plan
They mistreated Gorr in this movie. The same way how they treated Taskmaster. I wholeheartedly agree with you that he had the potential to be the next intimidating villain. But even when he did do something, it wasn't allowed to be thrilling, because a joke had to be made every 30 seconds.
Such a shame the humor just keeps on getting more plentiful all the time, while I keep hoping they'd course correct away from it.
(I mean sure the subtle humor, like from before works great in moments where it fits, but here, it took away a lot of gravity...)
Hero's as good as the villain they say. BOY does it ring true in this flick
Yeah, so many posibilities to explore with Gorr, a bunch of cool ideas that just were never able to land cause "let's make it all a joke, they'll like it"
They made him a laughing stock in Ragnarok, a movie as awful as Love and Thunder which for some reason barely gets the hate it deserves. Thor was good enougy in IW but they already made him too human by that point. They got him and Loki right in the very first Thor movie, the characterization was good there and fine inhis first two solo and Avengers movies then they made him a joke.
To be honest I loved the scene where Gore talks to Valkery about how she should be on his side due to the Gods abandoning her and her sisters. If that level of thought was throughout the movie maybe it would have been good.
Gore? Al Gore? 😀
@@akosleoszilagyi2529 I wish
Definitely
I kept thinking Gore had more depth than all the characters in the movie...
@@amberslahlize7961 T R U E. imo he was the best part of the movie, and his only flaw is his criminally low screentime. honestly, first 5 minutes>>>the rest of the movie
I feel like a lot of Gor's problem could be fixed by him needing to kill lesser gods to power up the necrosword. If this sword is already so powerful why couldn't the previous wielder kill a single god?
Then we could see Gor progress in a linear way as the sword corrupts his body and mind more with each kill. Then we can explain the kidnapping of the kids and stuff as the sword feeding off of his lust for revenge and corrupting him. Nice, neat and still works with the ending we got.
could also make that he becomes obssessed with the power instead of making the sword the actual villain, this way it gives more nuance to Gor while also allowing his daughter to be a beacon of humanity to him, about the child kidnapping I really can't see how to explain that, maybe make him have a delusion that one the children look similar to his so he kidnaps her and tries to kidnap more children to give her friends or something like that, idk if he has any other details to his backstory like how it was where he lived, his wife etc
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Christian Bale was the best thing of the entire movie
He really was. He was phenomenal and gave a great performance
Not enough screen time :(
I agree. I just wanted more screen time of him. That is all I ask
His acting was top notch
@@cliffchampion5501 He was fantastic
"Lets make a villain who is a god killer but not show actual killing."
"Lets write a script but throw it in the bin after and let everyone be themselves"
Taika and the writers, probably.
Tons of beings die in this film from Gorr's daughter to Rapu to Zeus to Zeus' soldiers
Listen bud you're not a Marvel fan go watch some DC movies This movie was amazing Go watch your Be list movies
@@georgemcfly6523 At this point I’d really rather watch DC.
@@georgemcfly6523 Imagine being a Marvel fan in 2022
@@rpstephen Yeah the MCU is looking good And the future of the MCU is looking good But what do I know I've only ever seen every single scifi movie ever made Now you be a good boy and run along and go watch your B list movies 👍
If none of the characters take the threat seriously it’s hard for the audience to take the threat seriously. That scene with all the gods mainly showed the threat not being a big deal
if gorr tryed to confort the kids instead of bullying them, that scene would be way more convincing, and actually scarier, to see a monster kidnapper like gorr trying to be nice with the kids and failing to make them feel safe. It would be consistent once he didn't want to harm the kids, only to have them as hostages. It would be a great character arc if he then consciously attacked the children in the final act, once that would show how far his hatred brought him.
Or they could have gone a different route. So Gorr would have tried to convince the kids that believing in their gods is wrong.... Maybe him trying to corrupt the planetary societies so they stand up to their gods.... So the gods are forced to intervene and proof that they are worthy of their status.
you could’ve written a better movie than this
I thought he didn't like them either because most of them were also gods.
@@cylondorado4582 asgardians arent gods
and according to what mcu established earlier in the avengers , thor is an alien but now he is a god
and what does god even mean in the mcu
most of them are self titled
they really messed up the lore
It would also be a nice contrast to Wanda. Kids confronting her made her realize she was the bad guy. But Gorr would just double down. Then when he attacks or harms a kid in the climax, he realizes how far he's fallen.
*Thor:* Ive lost my mother, my father, my brother, my home, now the love of my life.
*Marvel Executives:* Sounds like a comedy. 🤣
Oh and don't forget about Sif, she lost an ARM. COMEDY. Kill me. This to me was the dumbest shit and she doesn't even get her payback on Gorr.
@@JoeChillton Oh yeah she was in this movie. Forgot about her...kinda* like the mcu has.
But hey at least she has her comic accurate costume.
@@noirangel6416 not good enough. Look if this is what they had for her to do, I'd say pass and just die off screen or something then being a punchline
@@satisfied656 you've had diarrhea recently haven't you
Tell me how it happened n what the fuck did you eat
It executives but director and it's dark comedy
When Gorr kidnapped the children, I honestly thought he had "good" motives. Like wanting to bring them to a place that is fun and safe (by his standards) since he is out killing gods and destroying civilizations.
I thought he would try to be gentle and kind only to be shunned by the kids who are scared of him. And we'll see a bit of humanity in him and sympathize with him.
But that's not what happened. I actually forgot now why the kids were taken in the first place.
Christian Bale hesitated to accept the role of Gorr at first. Why? Because of potential scheduling conflicts, but his kids successfully persuaded him take on the role. He arranged his timetable to make it possible. His most commerical venture to date.
Clearly, his dedication is not shared by the filmmakers.
Just tragic? He poured his heart into the performance
Not shared either by the producers, everybody praises feige for no reason but he clearly never gave a shit about the source material and 99% of the mcu is proof of that. Bale and Portman were totally wasted in this cringe movie.
@@CabezasDePescado Same. Natalie Portman and Christian Bale are phenomenal actors and they were absolutely wasted
@@CabezasDePescado - Hard disagree on that '99%'. Prior to Phase 4, we've had the likes of CA: TWS, GotG, IW, etc. And frankly, I don't mind deviation from source materials (as long as not too much), because I don't read the comics. What's important is the execution, and Feige is fumbling it as of late.
@@rogerkincaid931 yes, there are some good mcu movies, but they are just a few, most of them are mediocre at best and bad/cringe at worst, and i dont mind not being 100% faitfhul to the comic books as long as they respect what the characters are all about, but what is the point of making an adaptation if you are just gonna left the name the characters and change everything else?
That last point is amazing. It would benefit Marvel so much if they toned the galaxy threats a bit and focused on more grounded stories since time has proven that they were the best ones. It would allow more character progression and less work for the VFX crew
I've been saying this for years. I'm so sick of save the world stories. Even the few save the world plots I can think of succeeded in spite of it, like Infinity War which wasn't really about the stones, it was about Thanos, one man, and his personal motivations.
I used to be a casual MCU watcher. I used to think they're all just mindless childish CGI superhero stuff, but that all changed when I watched Civil War. I have only watched like three MCU movies prior to this, mind you, and I didn't know the characters well, but I was blown away with the plot.
I'm still hoping that the MCU can pull off another Civil War again. (And Winter Soldier, too.)
uhhh, and MEANINGFUL, GOOD MOVIES? there, i fixed that for you.
Like She-Hulk you mean?
@@xipheonj yeah, The Boys is a better superhero story than most marvel films even though it is a story about the manchild that has super power.
At this point saving MCU universe has no weight anymore because apparently it has been saved every single day.
I really think a main issue with this film is that Thor and gore and no relationship. I would have loved to see a world where their first interaction is spawned by Thor hunting Gore to be beat. Like we start the film where Thor isn’t lost, he’s found his purpose in traveling the world with the Guardians helping people, but he hears whispers of the god butcher and goes to find the remaining gods of Asgard that he once fought alongside to go fight this god butcher. You end the first act with a big fight, Gore kills Sif and a bunch of Asgardian gods that Thor has been building relationships with throughout the act and moves on. Thor has to go to the city of the gods and have the movie progress from there with the two having an actual reason to fight each other
In the comic, Thor first encounters Gorr in the Viking era while partying on Earth with some Vikings, this is before his hammer is even forged. Gorr ties him up in a cave and is torturing him for information when the Vikings come to his rescue and force Gorr to flea. Gorr sees himself as a liberator and didn't expect to be attacked by the humans, whom he doesn't want to hurt. The story is told in 3 different timelines: Young Thor, Present Thor, and Old Thor.
So, I think we could fix a few of the issues here.
1) Like was suggested, have Gorr need Zeus' Lightning bolt in order to get his wish. 1 wish = Necro-blade ( a weapon that can kill anything) and the Spark of Life ( a tool that can temporarily imbue and prolong life but not resurrect ).
2) Have Gorr tell Thor that the Spark is the only thing that can defeat him, before taking the kids and leaving.
3) Thor and crew go to god-planet to get the bolt from Zeus.
4) It is revealed the bolt isn't the Spark of Life. In exchange for ruling god-world Zeus gave the real Spark to Odin ages ago
5) Later it is revealed that Odin used the Spark of Life to create Mjolnir. It's Life essence was meant to balance and control Hela (hence why she has it in the past mural), but she abandoned it seeking the flame eternal instead.
6) Jane is only still alive because the Spark of Life inside Mjolnir is keeping her alive, but it can only do so much and she will still die
7) Jane surrenders Mjolnir to save the children, sacrificing herself for them. The catalyst that stops Gorr in his tracks and makes him realize that he's being the baddie.
Now we have a McGuffin quest, a reason for Jane to be there, and a thematic dichotomy between life and death
Marvel should hire you and not Taika.
That could actually work
@@SantomPh Marvel should hire literally anyone but Taika...
That’s petty good
@Dark Mage Are you gonna whine "WOKE" anytime you see a woman or nonwhite in anything?
I may forget Gorr as a character, but I'm certainly never going to forget how well Christian Bale acted him.
Nope, for whatever reason his portrayal came across as inconsistent and goofy. Josh Brolin's Thanos was consistently understated yet emotive and impactful.
@@dangerfly Might just be for you. Or might because the movie itself is a goofy shithole whilst Christian Bale was one of the few trying their best to make it less goofy but he cant because the director, Taika Waititi is a manchild with a unique voice and now thinks hes a good director. Hes a one trick pony that makes the film 99.99% "comedic" just like how Amy Schumer makes her joke 99.99% about s*x.
@@dangerfly you are comparing a villain with 15 minutes of screentime to the best villain in the mcu
@@orkaydk9430 Fine. Compare the first 15 mins of Thanos' total of 30 mins screentime.
That doesnt make any sense.
@7:40 Gorr using an app while his daughter is dying in his hand is more brutal than anything in the film
😂😂
“Damn that’s crazy, just let me learn my Espanol.”
Thor Love And Thunder is one of the most mediocre Marvel movies ever made.
I’d say the most mediocre
@@robertdunay4499 Antman? Shang Shi? Hulk?
It was indeed a bummer to see Thor movies revert back to the level of 1 and 2.
And thanks for watching as always Chase!!
@@Filmento Love your vids😘
@@Filmento i kinda wish it had done that but alas, it fell so much further
This movie is actually ripe with interesting topics and themes.
• Further exploring Thor's loss, through the Guardians of the Galaxy. We didn't just miss more humor and action from the Guardians, we missed out the dramatic substance they may offer. Quill's mother even nearly mirrors the life of Jane's.
• Exploring Mortality vs immortality. Gorr, a mortal, now possess a tool to challenge immortals. Jane has cancer and she has to come to accept mortality while simultaneously granted a form of immortality through the Mjolnir.
• This is optional, but my favorite theme of Thor's is his fate. It was strongly built up from 'Ragnarok' to 'Endgame' and it's abandoned by this movie.
What this movie did:
• Introduce Asgardian children so it could repeat a plot point done much better in 'Batman Returns'; these children are only blackmail materials.
• Introduce the gods and did next to nothing with them, despite the fact that the movie is about them being hunted.
• introduce Eternity, a being said to be the personifcation of the multiverse, and had him in a "genie" kind of role.
• Fatally waste Christian Bale.
All those missed opportunities and misfire creative decisions are put together in a script already full of holes and laced with unfunny comedy. The only thing layered about it is the dissapointment. You could pick it apart from any angle and it'd promptly crumble.
You managed to noticed all these flaws. You know who didn't? Everyone in the production of the movie.
When Jane mentioned that she had cancer I immediately thought "What if Starlord was there and how he he react to that". That moment wasn't given the emotional weight it deserved. Cancer isn't a punchline. What I really want for Thor's character is for him to feel complete on his own (even with a foster child...I guess) and to end his character arc from there. How do we go from Thor not sustaining a relationship to Thor raising a child? When was that even a personal goal for him in the other movies?
Anyway, I'm so intrigued by Eternity and can't wait to see more of that character. Hopefully Black Panther touches on it way more.
@TheGlassesPro Deadpool was written when marvel was still at it's peak. I'm honestly glad they didn't make more deadpool movies given marvel's current trend of mediocre to bad movies post endgame.
I knew from the moment someone said "Gorr is the best MCU villain, better than Thanos" that they are shitting the bed big time. First reason being that it's impossible to create a complex villain in such a short time and second, well, Waitit was directing it.
I like to belive there exists a much better version of this film , without the jelous stormbreaker , some of the bad jokes should be removed too. Add more Gorr scenes , the serious deleted Zeus scene . The film had potential but they F-ed it up . Maybe they can snyder-cut this sh*t but i dout taika waititi and Marvel care enough
I really like this channel. Instead of just giving reasons why the movie is (which is something I feel a lot of review channels do), you actually give constructive feedback and what you would like to see changed. You also make some very good points on the flaws of the movie. Great work!
As much as I love a bad film being roasted into oblivion, I must say Filmento's content is more satisfying.
FR he needs to consult w/ marvel
The bits of Bale's rant placed over clips of the film was funnier than anything in the actual movie you're critiquing. Thank you for that.
İt wasnt the original clip?? OMG İ had no idea havent watched the movie.
OH GOOD FOR YOU!
😂😂😂😂😂
*That's a neat story*
@@asdsdawdasxxaswwsda5417 No, he actually used the sound bytes from other Christian Bale's movies such as Batman and American Psycho. He's a genius editor.
THIS!!!! Why only one commented on this, it probably flew over some people's head.
WHAT DON'T YOU FACKEN UNDERSTAND!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I loved the God Butcher/God Bomb story in the comics. Gorr kept Thor alive because Thor was going through a "God-life crisis" and Gorr saw that Thor didn't actually disagree with Gorr about how useless the Gods were. I knew when it was announced that there was no way they were going to make a Thor movie that dark and introspective, and hate that this movie is most peoples only exposure to the story.
i WISH they had some real introspective deep-dive into Thor about how gorr may actually be right. it could’ve made the film great
It would have been way better. A more serious tone is what the movie needed but instead we got a joke filled mess.
God THAT would of been fantastic
That sound boring.
That sound awesome
I mean tbh I completely disagree about all the "tension" in the final scene. Marvel may have some hardcore stuff but as soon as I saw that Thor was fighting with a bunch of literal kids I knew that not a single one would die. The fact that they were children actually took all tension that could've been in the scene, out of it.
I know filmento has somewhat of a monotonous voice, but he is being sarcastic there.
I think filmento was actually sarcastic when he said that cuz he also said that he "liked the VFX" and then showed a bunch of crappy VFX 🤣
Definitely
unless if it's Star Wars, most kids are going to be fine and not get hurt or killed at all in a battle as that's where tone is usually lighter from them. Unless if it's star wars of course, than those kids are getting murked on the spot. lol
Yeah that is another thing with that scene - if Thor can give his powers away like that to like 30 odd kids, then why couldn't he of done that in the first place with the parents, and all of them go and save the kids - like a huge Asgardian army sort of thing. Even more - at any point in the Avenger saga, he could of made a literal army of gods to help Thanos at any point. After End game, MCU went down hill very fast with few exceptions.
The thing that I found most frustrating about this film, from a writing perspective, was the scene where Gorr captured the heroes in the shadow realm and started monologuing. What he said in this monologue revealed that there were genuine character parallels between them and Gorr - Thor had just killed a god (ignoring the post credits scene) to achieve his own ends, Valkyrie had lost a loved one due to the actions/inactions of gods (her girlfriend vs. Gorr's daughter), and Jane was gaining power from a weapon that was slowly killing her (hammer vs. sword) - but rather than display these parallels through actions or visual techniques, the writers delivered them in monologue form. To see this sort of quality writing set up and squandered was like seeing 24 karat gold used to make paperclips. I know that this sort of intense, introspective writing would probably seem out of place in an otherwise goofy film, but since the writers were comfortable depicting one of the main characters dying of cancer, they were already dealing with pretty heavy themes. Maybe I'm just overthinking this, and the similarities were coincidences and never meant to be taken seriously, but it feels too specific - as if it were an idea that got abandoned but was still left in the script, half-baked.
I think you're right myself, the movie could have been re-edited and/or slightly rewritten to explore these themes, was very interested to see a version of Zeus very different from what we seen on in the film. Christian Bale bid just enough to convince me he could have created a classic character with a better film around him.
🙏💯💯💯. Man, you nailed it. This movie was an absolute letdown
It had some potential but they wasted
@@skripahsleepin8358 That’s the whole movie, really
I think the parallel between Jane and Gorr is forced as well. It makes no sense why their respective weapons would have to drain their lives.
But I agree with your "24 karat gold as paper clips" analogy. Coupled with Thor's previous appearance and induction into the Guardians of the Galaxy, this movie's premise is rich with conflicts to explore. Instead, it's almost as if they were avoiding them, creating new conflicts that never really serve any thematic value. As if they somehow ran into a writer's block and rushed to a solution while neverminding its implication to the story.
There's a parallel between Quill's mother and Jane's lives, being that they both fell in love with a man from space and then dying of cancer.
You’re so right. The literal best the MCU has ever been is a scene of three dudes in a room watching a VHS tape on an old TV. The stakes and tension are entirely personal. Incredible
when was that
@@1giane Civil War
@@1giane The climax of CIVIL WAR shown at the end of this video. Cap, Tony, and Bucky watching the old CCTV footage of the Stark parents’ car crash and murder
@@aidangreen7006 ohh yeah i don’t know how i blanked on that. that was probably the most nuanced the mcu had ever been
Aside from Tony suddenly turning into a dummy instead of keeping in mind the whole mind control thing.
The moment Tony Stark watches the tape and looks up is still so chilling. A shame they put someone in charge of film who didn't even care to remove some glaring errors of it and was just stroking his ego for all of it.
The biggest problem i had with Gorr wasnt his portrayal from Christian Bale in the slightest, its more they show on the Guardians ship screen that hes killing the gods and the problem is they say that he has done and dont show it (outside of the first kill) to establish him as more of a threat and maybe as an equal to Thor & Jane but it feels like he really isnt and is the third wheel where hes the big bad with intentions that do make sense sure but it's definitely not apparent until the end and for me it does come a little bit out of left field.
This movie only really set up a future for Zeus in the MCU along with Hercules. It's a movie that doesnt showcase anyone really well but rather set up for the future which i have gotten a little bit bored off. I have no problem for setting up for the future but as long as your movie is still watchable years down the line and can stand up on its own
Whose own film are then used to set up some other hero movie. I'm so done lol
I disagree. Gorr was right. Omnipotence city and more specifically Zeus shoes Gorr is right and we see the scale of the god beast he kills and he harms siph who we the audience are attached too. Also to raise the stairs we see him actually able to hurt Thor who is a Gary stu in terms of power levels and he kidnaps kids so the audience can feel scared by him along with the horror imagery like tentacles and jump scares etc. His love for his daughter his highlighted throughout the film
@@bongibot1104 hasn't that been the entire mcu?
@@Thed538dhsk yeah, yeah true. Think everyone is sick of it fully at this point, I was at least enjoying most stuff that came out until endgame
@@Thed538dhsk We don't even see who he kills though except that one god that was a giant animal looking thing. Even a montage of how he's able to kill all these powerful gods would show us just how much more of a threat he was.
I had a feeling that Gorr learning Spanish example would lead to an ad sequence, but it's still a great example of progressing a character's goal. Kudos to you!
Christian Bale's acting was phenomenal and Gorr the God Butcherer is a fantastic villain in the comics. They were so close to greatness and then dropped the ball. We only see Gorr *THE GOD BUTCHERER* butcher a single god on screen in the entire movie!!! Christian Bale deserves to be in a better movie.
Agree.
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The villain didn't flop.
The director did.
What if
Waika Takita made one good movie
But then
He decided to release nothing but shit afterwards?
@@asddsa8203 I mean, he made Jojo Rabbit after Thor Ragnarok. And there was Hunt for the Wilderpeople before that, and What We Do in the Shadows before that. Pretty much every film he made before Love & Thunder were great so it might have something to do with the MCU-Disney ecosystem.
@@astablemultivibbrator8538 i heaed he fucked up the movie because he was more focused on his other projects
@@astablemultivibbrator8538 i heard he didnt even care about this movie
@@nickcoltz1526 I heard the people in the comments are full of crap and want to spread baseless rumors.
Don't worry, I heard it from a reliable source. So trust me, bro.
My biggest problem with Gorr was that his motivation never felt that convincing. He killed the first god for obvious reasons, but once he met Thor it felt too much like a braindead "I'll kill every god cause I got abandoned once". But especially after Thanos I want deeper motivations than just a one-off he avenged immediately. Plus, Thor openly displays affection to Jane, a dying mortal and immediately ventures out to save the kids, immediately proving Gorr wrong. I just don't like those cliche revenge stories that extent to an entire group of people because if one is bad all are bad. At least not if they are presented like Love & Thunder.
If you think about it...
Gorr could've easily been the villain of Phase 4 and just Phase 4!
His God Butchering could've easily set-up and tied together Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Eternals, Shang-Chi and even Black Panther 2 as a sort of Dark Messiah that turns the events of the Blip and the return of said people five years later as proof that super powered beings merely decide these kind of matters by themselves and the universe would be better without them, but in reality seeks to bring back the daughter he lost to his unwavering faith...
Then, Love & Thunder would be the cosmic heroes version of Civil War back in Phase 3, and taking some cues from the comics, they'd have to deal with the infamous "Gorr was right" throghout the remainer of the Multiverse Saga.
I think Memento's idea that he failed to kill the first god and was trying to hunt him down is a good one, and he could develop the whole "all gods must die" mentality slowly over time after traveling the universe and seeing how other gods are just as bad.
Yeah I think they just forgot to explain how the necrosword works. Thats why nobody understands Gorrs Evil
But that's the character in the comics. It's the same motivation punisher has
@@erubin100 I like the idea of removing the wishing mcguffin and just make it so he needs to kill a certain number of gods to become a god, at which point he can revive his daughter. Makes it so his motivation isn't revenge, he is a loving father who feels bad about killing gods, but if he stops, he never sees his daughter again. Then he can pause while killing Thor, because he doesn't want to kill good gods, just the ones who don't help people.
regardless of how great your movie breakdowns are - what really stands out is how you ACTUALLY integrate your sponsor segments into to evaluation of the video. You somehow turn it into another part of your breakdown of the plot and how you'd improvement and honestly I appreciate that you use them to expand your point - not just throw it in as a 30s segment that I need to skip.
The only recent Marvel villain I liked was Shang Chi's father, because of his motivations and his eventual redemption. I even kinda liked Kaicilius (not sure how to spell his name) in Doctor Strange because he was someone who was manipulated and used by the bigger baddie, preying on his desires of paradise. He was so tormented by his deep desire to enter the promised paradise that simply speaking about it brought him to tears.
Wanda had potential to be a good villain. It hurts to see her get wasted.
So no one gonna talk about green goblin
@@NoobMaster-rw9zi Doesnt count since he's not from the mcu
@@NoobMaster-rw9zi He's crazy. Not much to it than that lol. Osborn's got another personality in his head that loves murder.
@@NoobMaster-rw9zi He is a good villain but he is not a villain born in the mcu, still good
Whenever CGI comes up I always think back to the first Iron Man movie. It had some good practical effects, but even then the vast majority of that movie was character drama, and as a result it is in my opinion the best written marvel movie of them all. If I ever had to make a super movie, that would be the one I'd take notes on first.
I agree with all your points. Most modern Marvel does seem to rely on their villains having some quality which makes them not villains at all, which really dulls the punches. I know this video was focused on villainy, but I thought the Mighty Thor thing could have been a great movie on its own if they handled it differently. As it is, Jane becoming Thor had about as much agency as buying a lottery ticket and winning. As a matter of fact, I think it had literally as much agency. Jane read a paragraph of a book, bought a plane ticket, and maybe a ticket for the tour, and hey presto she's Thor! I think a much better movie (regardless of what the comics say, thank you very much) could have been made chronicling Jane's adventures across the universe, visiting Thor's superhero and god friends, trying to find any medical procedure that would extend her life juuust long enough to get mjolnir.
They only had this one movie to do the Jane-Thor plot, they couldn't drag it on like that.
Villains are usually a byproduct of a strong film with solid themes and solid conflict
Marvel has neither of those, it also throws away its villains immediately because the funny heroes are the main focus to sell things to consoomers
Indeed. There was definitely no conflict or theme in this movie at all
Depends on the Marvel movie. I'd say quite a few of their films have "solid conflict" to use your words. Black Panther, all of the Captain America movies, the 3rd and 4th Avengers movies, all the Spider-Man movies, etc. I don't think they uniformly lack "solid themes" either, unless we're being overly restrictive on what those words mean.
And heroes are almost always the main focus. That's part of what being a hero is. So that isn't really a strike against Marvel either.
The status quo must be maintained. Can't have any permanent changes to characters, what if the viewers don't like it and stop buying tickets??!
The mcu has had rarely good villians. Where is this dislike for mcu villians coming from when it was the normal, Thanos was an exception.
@@chasehedges6775 what do you mean. The theme is godhood. It ties back to Thor, Jane, Val, Gorr, the kids, Korg, the jokes, Zeus, the dialogue, the set design and character designs, etc. This is Zack Snyder's justice league but if Watiti directed
Gorr needed a 3 film arc to properly show himself off. One where we see his interaction with young Thor, one in the present, and one in the future.
Why? Why 3 films of nothing but the same villain?
@@ShadowSonic2 It worked with Star Wars and The Lord of the Rings.
@@ShadowSonic2 literally star wars every movie
His saga in the comics goes through ages,if I remember correctly
@@Ratchet2431 Sauron was barely a real presence in LOTR, and and those were less 3 movies and more 1 big story.
You can't have 3 movies of Thor fighting Gorr and only that.
As you spoke on this it reminded me of Doc OC from Spiderman 2, how he had to fight against the implant to gain control. showing you that he wasn't just some bad dude but rather a slave to his inventions. He really was son obsessed with his "power of the sun in you hand" he forgot that it was to help all life. peter reminded him of this, and it was shown with the implant that he was compromised mentally. That is how you make a movie villain. Hero of his own story even if it's only in his head
Dr Octopus was ridiculous in SM2. The whole "The Tentacles were controlling him" nonsense.
@@ShadowSonic2 it was still well executed.
Filmento is unmatched in his ability to dissect a movie and explain in great detail what went wrong and how it was avoidable.
Also at reinventing a scene to have a better impact
I have definitely been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like; thrice when the once past didn't pass as against not before, but only once after not indifferently out sized by two to seven for seven seconds.
@@TaterTotsNFanta are you having a stroke?
They keep flopping because they tend to be an afterthought. The cold in The Day After Tomorrow feels like more of a threat with more personality than most MCU villains.
That's been the entire mcu. Only a handful of exceptions have broken through
@@Thed538dhsk Same.
The villains in the MCU are very hit and miss.
Accurate assessment of not just Thor 4 but the whole MCU at the moment. It’s lost it’s soul and what made it so enthralling. Great Character interaction and emotional connections.
this was actually Taika dropping the ball and making sure he's not gonna get any MCU projects in the future or maybe any Disney projects at all , the way he talked about the possibility of making a star wars movie really shows how much he wants to escape from the mouse's sweatshop
I'm pretty sure Disney owns Star Wars.
Aw bless! You think he's not coming back! Honey they don't care about you or your opinion. They care about the almighty dollar and this movie made them some. That's all they care about. They look at his criteria and they see had a budget of this amount and tripled it, yeah we'll get him back. Hence why they will probably give him a star wars movie, because they know he makes bank. He'll be back, he'll make Disney more money and people will continue to argue about it on the internet like their opinions have ever or will ever matter.
No, Taika on Twitter when the movie was announced said he was going to ruin the thor mythos. He intentionally wanted to ruin Thor, which when you got a money man like Bob Chapek instead of an Ideologue like Bob Iger meant he was going to get axed, because Disney kinda needs money right now as things are not going well for them and ruining one of your money makers is not a smart idea.
People keep saying the MCU is lacking of a big "main" villain right now and once this villain shows up (Kang, Doom) everything will end up fine.
This might be true but I feel like the heroes are also lacking massively.
There might be as many heroes as never before in the MCU right now but I do not feel attached to any one like I did with Cap, Black Widow, Iron Man etc.
I feel like Marvel went way too far with quantity over quality after Endgame and the results are the series and movies we have right now..
So you don't feel attached to Kamala or Jen or Steven/Marc?
Excellent point. There’s no level of investment
I feel like Marvel went way too far with quantity over quality.
💯💯. You are sooo true
@@Thed538dhsk Who honestly feels attached to Kamala? Steven/Marc are cool but i feel like im only attached to them just because the actor is Oscar issac lul
@@VibingTacos
I remember people actually really liking Kamala despite not loving the show.
You know what I just realized.
Billy Butcher in the Boys is a better Gor than Gor.
He does exactly what you say. He scares kids so they don't trust heroes, multiple times. But he never can put a kid in harm's way, even when the kid is a supe.
Zemo is a better Billy Butcher than Billy Butcher.
@@ShadowSonic2And Kratos from the God of war games is a better God butcher than Gorr the Childnapper.
Other than that purple man I think Hela had the best villain introduction when she broke thors hammer it really established her power level right away
Also, why does the villain HAVE to live and die/disappear in one movie? That's what I think is the biggest problem (on top of all the other issues) with these super hero movies. Why can an animated show let the villain escape or partially win/lose the events and have them show up again in another episode or a chain of episodes, but not a movie? The closest we got with Marvel is the Winter Soldier, but of course we couldn't have Bucky be evil forever. Same with Loki. Even with Thanos, he technically still had one movie and 3 minutes of screen time in End Game, then we got Rat Thanos for the rest of it who dies in the end. It leaves no time for the audience (let alone the writers) to get invested with the villain and believing they could win. If they allowed more stories of villains winning I think it would get more investment as the audience we would go "oh who's going to win this time?!". Instead we sit through another of Marvel's current streak of cookie cuter, low effort, do whatever films.
That's what bothered me about Ultron a lot too.
Ultron is a massive threat in the comics. One of the greats in terms of villainy.
But in the MCU he's only there for like, a week, and dies. I would have loved to see him return in some capacity. Show us that he's still around. Plotting. Biding his time. Rebuilding in secret.
Maybe he uploaded an .exe file of himself somewhere, and some noob sailing the high seas accidentally downloads it like in the limewire days.
Boom. There's a message saying 'pirating is bad and dangerous' which I'm sure Disney would agree with. And Ultron has a chance to return.
To add to this, I've always been a fan of the villains, so I might be biased. I just hope we get a another big deal villain soon.
Sane reason mace windu wanted to kill palps, to dangerous to be left alive also those actors cost more $ than cartoons or ink on a comic book do. It's a limit of the medium. Even star wars did this with the prequels and sequels. Kylo became redeemed and Darth maul, dooku, gracious all died. Palps was a "good guy" up until his "reveal"
@@1337-Nathaniel Kang. Kang is the new Thanos of the multiverse saga
@@1337-Nathaniel "Age of Ultron" last about a month xD what a spooky villain 👻
Thank you, villains should have small wins or be defeated without dying and reappear in other projects for a final defeat then. No just be a "monster of the week (movie)" kinda thing.
What frustrated me about Gorr so much is how great he could've been. His motivation is genuinely so good, and his origin is great, they just mess it up from there
That sponsor message was so well written and added, that Scorsese considers it cinema!
I knew it was coming and it was great.
Let's be honest, Gorr had amazing potential if he was a villain in phase 3 or below. Before Disney became incompetent after Endgame
Avengers Age of Ultron ? Ultron is so boring villian in this movie.
@@tomas2818 🤦♂️
@@tomas2818 This. Ultron's supposed to be this terrifying, inhuman entity that seeks the extinction of organic life. Instead the "age" of Ultron lasted like two days, and he was reduced to a sarcastic villain. Ever watched the video where they put Robert California voice over Ultron's? That sounds scarier than what we got. And it's from a comedy show.
@@judoka. Avengers Age of Ultron is worst movie in Avengers series
@@tomas2818 i disagree.🤷♂️
This movie prooved that just copy pasting a good thing that worked well earlier 15 times in a row actually makes it way worse.
When you mentioned that "Thunderbolt is the key", I was really happy as I too happened to think the same while writing a blog about this film. It would have been actually great and made more sense in the movie and would have made Gorr a great planner and a intelligent person.
One more issue for me with Multiverse of Madness and Love & Thunder for me is that the major cameos scenes (The Illuminati and Omnipotent City) doesn't progresses the movie's plot much and just serve the plot line (Illuminati being killed is required, so they die without giving a tough fight. Same with Zeus, but just hurt.)
Could you imagine how good this movie would have been if Taika hadn't thrown out Bro Thor? Like, Thor's finally found the light in his life and one day at a time is battling his grief and depression; Whereas Gorr has been on a centuries-long revenge tear to distract from his need to process his daughter's passing. When they finally meet, Thor, not through brutality but understanding, is able to start the healing process for Gorr. Maybe when he gets to the wishing well, Gorr wishes for, like, self-acceptance or punishment for his crimes.
You could have even tripled the theme, and had Jane, rather than start processing her grief over being terminally ill, starting new projects to keep her mind occupied. Maybe she goes to land the killing blow on Gorr but can feel some semblance of his tormented, buried empathy. She realizes she's not ready to take another life and finally starts reckoning with her own mortality.
when you were talking about characters making progress throughout the story it reminded me of the show the blacklist. throughout the entire first season you start to realise that every seemingly disconnected episode is tied together on a deeper level
I'm a Scarlet Witch fan for life but Multiverse of Madness left me speechless. We went into this not expecting much and honestly are still confused about what we even saw. So many odd choices.
Tell me about it, way to kill her character after all that build up in Wandavison
It was just ridiculously bad. Worst MCU movie ever.
The movie makes me angry for how stupid the idea was and how awful the execution…
Chthon is only briefly mentioned even though he is the one who wrote the Darkhold, made the temple, named Wanda Scarlet Witch, wrote the prophecy, and gave her chaos magic. Wanda's struggle with Chthon should come into focus, yet they made her entire character about the kids.
@@bingobongo1615 I think that's recency bias talking. Don't get me wrong, MoM was shit, but I think calling it the worst one in the franchise is definitely a stretch. It's absolutely up there, but I don't think it can beat Eternals or Black Widow. I'd say it's probably on par with Iron Man 2
Check out the Critical Drinker Fixes video about that. What he comes up with would have made that movie EPIC.
Marvel in Phase 3 and 4 generally tried to give their villains solid motivations which is an improvement from Phase 1 and 2, but I think the problem is the motivation they give kinda makes them more reasonable than the heroes so they have to either make them do things that make zero sense regarding their goal or make them do ridiculously moustache-twirling things to make them evil without nuanced, so either way they don't really work.
Yep
I have always loved your reviews, they are so non-bias and true, never stop doing what you love
My friends took me to see this film to take my mind off my brother passing away from cancer...so you can guess how that went when the twist was shown it was potent-though the rest of the movie wasn't great.
Some friends they are
@@IceSkateUpHilll How would they know if the friend never saw the movie?
Also, that's just unlucky shit right there I'm sure your friend did not intend to do that to you hopefully
@@IceSkateUpHilll in fairness they nor I knew that particular plot point going in
@@lighthawk3720 yeah, it was just one of those little ironies in life.
My biggest issue is that Gorr didn't get to kill any Gods in the God world but instead Thor made an enemy out of Zeus.
Gorr the God Butcher didn't kill any gods on screen (except for the first god and that was when the sword was handed to him), and Dr Strange In the Multiverse of Madness only visited like 2 worlds. Both wasted opportunities. Oh well :/
Man, imagine if some of the Gods actually took Thor seriously and thought, “Hey, maybe we should help stop this God Butcher and and Help this God of Thunder.”
But none of them do.
Lazy writing
@@alexp601 Indeed. So much wasted potential
@@chasehedges6775 I guess it kind of makes sense that the gods thought they were untouchable and wouldn’t believe they were in danger. That gives Thor more to do too. It was just done too much with a slapstick comedy tone.
@@alexp601 technically strange visited many worlds the difference is he only spent a lot of time in 2 worlds. But he definitely visited many I remember the scene well.
This is what happens when a director pushes out a banger and the studios say "you know what...let's not bother them" It's the exact opposite of studio meddling. There needs to be *some* oversight. We saw it with WW84, too.
Villains need to be the Hero of their own stories... that's the way to structure the story
Infinity War did this amazingly with Thanos.
Not even true. Skeletor or Palpetine or Voldemort aren't heros of their own stories. They are just bad guys that like being bad and seem all like inspirations for this version of Gorr
@@Thed538dhsk okay... villains need to be "protagonists" in their own story. Though Palatine was definitely the hero in his own story & if he hadn't let Darth Vader (among others) run around undermining the tenets of the Empire would have been. Skelator is an 80s cartoon villain which isn't any kind of character with depth or quality. Voldemort... I can't speak of cause I never read the books (female writer, children fantasy, too old when they started coming out) or watched the movies. You could be right but your other two examples were fallacious... so the third probably is as well.
Laughs in zod
@@nestormelendez9005 Zod most definitely was the hero in his own story... unfortunately DC is just dogshit who makes terrible movies cause they can't tell anyone's story (Nolan had enough clout to tell people to fuck off which is why his trilogy is good)
Another proof that writing and characters are still most important in what makes a good story in the age of CGI.
The greatest actor is still limited by what the writer gives him to work with. Unfortunately studios tend to overlook this and try to cover their incompetence with action and CGI.
I like the idea that during his killing spree, Gorr discovers the child of a God, one who he just orphaned without realising. Feeling guilt and responsible for their safety he takes them in, and as his quest continues, he ends up kidnapping dozens, some he may have to restrain or discipline to keep in line. Perhaps they try and escape and belittle him for being mortal, for example. Perhaps he has a favourite who reminds him of his child. In his fight with Thor, Gorr shows he cares to prevent colleteral damage, though with his eventual neglect or even harming of the children, as well as the environmental destruction brought about by the death of a God (God of War style), he realises the error of his ways.
I love how Filmento don't just criticize the film but also tells many ways to improve upon the script/story. It also pisses me off that multi-million dollars studios (who hire talented and capable teams) can't deliver a good story.
Also, while watching Thor: Love and Thunder I thought of few things.
This film has severe pacing issue. They are discussing things on boat, then they are discussing more and more. Instead, Thor shouldn't have come to know about Jane's cancer on the boat. They should have kept that conversation short. Instead, when Gorr says (to Jane), "Oh! You are dying." That should have been the revelation for Thor. From this point film should shift its tone. That shock should have made Thor more serious (about Jane, about mission). He would be more determined after that. No more comedy in the film. And when in the end (after a badass fight) when we will see that Gorr is still winning and about to kill Thor, at that moment Jane's entry to save Thor would have brought more cheers.
If his motivation was to save children from the whims of selfish gods, he could kill gods and then advance to killing the children of gods, it would be a good way of showing that his determination to kill gods is an irrational, selfish genocide that targets the innocent as well as the guilty with no distinction.
That was the smoothest ad transition I've ever seen
Imagine if Thor was holding a giant Boulder in the air to prevent a bunch of kids from being crushed and that's why Gorr spares Thor. In this scenario, Gorr would still want to protect children and also respect Thor for doing what this other God didn't do. Gorr would most likely have some inner conflict, since Thor showed him that not all gods are selfish and bad
It's really shame that Gorr was wasted like this, in the comics, he was amazing!
Edit: Thank you so much for all these likes!
In the movie, he was amazing for his 34 seconds of screentime
@@orkaydk9430 6 minutes of screentime i wasn't frustrated watching this and he deserved so much more. He's Batman and he's mugging like a rip off of Freddy.
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Gorr in the comics is easily top 3 best marvel villains, right up there with dr.Doom.
@@someguy4506 got nothing to do with nostalgia and you don't know what a keyboard warrior is
real talk might be the best sponsor cutaway ever
To be fair, gorr killing his God does happen in the comics. And the necrosword does corrupt him in the comics but rather than being some shadow sword it's supposed to be the first symbiote to ever exist in the marvel universe which then becomes apart of Gorr. The movie does a bad job at doing this which led us to getting a lamer version of Gorr
I never read the comics but damn thats really cool, a sword being a symbiote.
This is the second MCU film I've skipped. It's a shame, the MCU just isn't what it used to be.
The MCU should’ve stopped after Infinity War
First?
The first Iron Man is still the best
What was the first?
2nd? I haven’t seen anything since Endgame. Last good movie they made was Infinity War.
I don't know how these studios managed to mess up comic book movies. The comic book is literally the script 🤦
Reminder Thanos did not in fact have half a decade of build-up. It was Infinity War that actually turned him from the conquery prune person with a blinged-out glove into a character, meaning any Marvel villain has the potential to become memorable in a single film.
The villains I can appreciate the most are those who say little to nothing. They go in and do their damage without monologuing to whoever they're going to kill. What's worse is a gratuitous exposition dump ("Why I'm doing this!") immediately followed by a flashback.
Nah. Monologues are great if done well. If the monologue ends in them failing their mission though due to the monologue, obviously that is trash.
ever great marvel and DC movies villians does a lots of talking , joker , thanos , loki , hela , killmonger etc etc , monologue gives them personality ,
most of the one dimensional villain who only does killing are mostly bad.
@@sugc3209 yeah, but if you don't have the greatest villain it's better to make them a threat first and then establish their motivation. A dangerous villain who doesn't monologue is better than a monologing villain who's a joke.
Just because it worked for Winter Soldier doesn't mean it works for everybody. I mean, look at Taskmaster.
Same problematic as the lack of urgency of the Witch's goal from the last Hellboy. Always pushing back the ultimate goal.
This movie is a perfect lesson of 'Repackaging 101' as it is literally a Multiverse of Madness but with gods instead of wizards and witches. You have a villain who wants its child(ren) back, they get their hands on a weapon who can potentially damage the hero, they want something the hero owns or is protecting.
You also have a hero who loses his love due to the plot but moves on anyway, he fights one of his own versions(sinister strange/zeus) ,other supposedly good guys not helping the hero, villains not accomplishing anything until the hero gets close, hero acquires new powers to fend off the villain, anticlimatic end battle.
I atleast felt multiverse of madness was worth watching because it brought something new to the table with the horror aspect and the hero using some different ways to defeat the villain rather the same CGI shit, but this movie was terrible. Reminds me of thor the dark world.
Loved this video, especially the ending point. Civil war is underrated. People hate on it because the big hero fight was underwhelming, but everything else in that movie was the best marvel has ever been. The introduction of Black Panther and Spider-Man was perfect. BP's story arc was incredible, and how could you not feel for Tony in that movie? Some of his best acting
Dont forget how well they wrote zemo, if gorr was given same amount of time and consideration thorL&T would've been really good.
Civil war is top 3 marvel all time no discussion its near faultless. I actually hate cap as a result because I love ironman
Civil war falls apart because the main conflict really is based on nothing. Stupid arguments with no reasons to fight over…
facts my fave scene of civil war was when tchalla finaly caught zemo n realized he had 2 let him go💔💔💔💔
Ppl hate on Civil War? I don't really delve into the fandoms here, and I've yet to see all of the pre Infinity War movies, but I did watch that one because it was so highly rated and it didn't disappoint. After that security footage scene, everything felt so on edge, and the fight was tension boiling over after an un maintainable state had been set up.
I've only seen the Spiderman movies and am happy to. Honestly don't really care much about the MCU anymore other than a handful of properties.
No way you could ever convince me that a god-killer would be a bad guy. I dont know of any good gods.
I’ll give the movie this: The cast was top notch, Christian Bale was fantastic and the visuals and cinematography were great but the story and characters were meh
What do you think would've helped the story and characters for you?
Funny colours doesn’t equal good cinematography. In my opinion it was, how shall I put it, shit.
@@Thed538dhsk If it was treated with a lot seriousness and tension.
Also would’ve helped if everything wasn’t too bright and colorful but not total dark and serious as well.
Taika wasn’t the right director
@@Thed538dhsk In terms of tone it was a complete disaster. Screaming goats are followed by late stage cancer, is followed by lighthearted gags about weapon jealousy, are followed by kidnapped and tormented children, are followed by screaming goats again and a little more of that cancer.
Also the personal stakes are virtually non-existent. Yes, there are children kidnapped, but none of them are related to Thor or known by the audience. And the heros don't really care about them either half of the time.
In addition, the movie has basically nothing to tell us about any of the characters. Why does Jane even want to extend her life? What is it she wants to live for? And Thor? I... I don't even know what to ask about Thor at this point, because what exactly does he even strive to achieve?
Add in the multitude of occasions of convenient storytelling and plot holes (Gorr doesn't kill Thor, even though he is the God Budger and had several opportunities; the black kid develops his magic eyes exactly when the plot requires it, for otherwise the heros would have had no way of finding the children (+ Gorr couldn't possibly know about that, so how exactly did he plan to lure Thor into the Shadow Realm?); Thor doesn't take Mjölnir into battle, even though it's a familiar weapon of his, we've seen him being able to use it, he just lost his other one, _and_ he has a personal interest in getting Mjölnir away from Jane), and you get quite a list of things that surely didn't help the story and characters.
I still can’t believe that they wasted Christian Bale for a plethora of jokes that weren’t funny. And his performance was pretty solid. He easily could’ve carried this movie if they gave him the screen time.
Something that frustrates me about the MCU and the thor series in particular is how much they just completely underuse certain actors. When you consider that once an actor is cast they can't really be recast in a different role throughout the entire MCU, you'd think some big names would get big roles.
However, in the Thor series, we have:
Anthony Hopkins as Odin - sure he's in the films, but a man of that talent deserves top billing, one of the greatest fucking actors of all time.
Idris Elba as Hemdall - another amazing actor who somehow made a monotone character with almost no personality captivating through 3 movies.
Other big names in these films?
Christopher Eccleston as Malekith
Zachary Levi as Fandral
Chris O'Dowd as Janes boyfriend in The Dark World
Jeff Goldblum as The Grandmaster
Clancy Brown voicing Surtur
Cate Blanchett as Hela
Luke Hemsworth as Thor actor
Fucking MATT DAMON as Loki Actor
Christian Bale as Gorr The God Butcher
Russell Crowe as Zeus
Now, I get it, not all actors can get big parts, but the sheer amount of talent here that is, quite frankly, wasted, pisses me off a bit. Maybe Anthony Hopkins, Jeff Goldblum and Idris Elba I can handwave, since they get bigger roles throughout multiple movies, but there's so many that deserve more than say... 5 minutes of screen time per film.
Matt Damon is the biggest waste
it's kinda sad to see an actor of Bales calibre in a film like this.
Indeed. The man was definitely acting his heart out.
Definitely thought he was above this. Same with Jake Gyllenhaal
From the little I understand, Gorr in the comics is a lot like Guts. I wonder if that was a conscious decision. Someone who comes from tragedy, is just a normal person fighting relentlessly, who becomes powerful enough to kill gods.
He could have been a multi-film big bad guy if the MCU did it right.
unlike Guts , Gorr eventually finds pleasure in killing gods, even those that actually help their followers.
When you said "Guts", are you talking about the graphic novel by Raina Telegeimer?
@@Wolffman109 Nah, unless you already figured by now, it is protagonist from Berserk
THANK YOU for articualtings my thoughts and feelings about this movie. As much as it hurts to say, the MCU is only getting worse and worse, you show exactly why. Hopefully folks at Marvel Studios get to see some if your videos and learn from them.
All the points you made were spot on. I think gorr was heavily nerfed also. We didnt even get to see him killing gods except for the first one. Plus killing him off (which i knew they would) made it EVEN worse 😂😭. ALSO, why does he start to die straight after the sword is destroyed ?! Why doesnt it take a while or gradually happen
I didn't really like the movie but the villain was probably the one thing I liked the most.
The villian was garbage. Bale was a cartoon character not a villian.
after re-watching the movie and seeing this video i realized i didn't like the villain i just like watching evil Christian Bale
@@jaywu4804 Bale is trash.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 Yep a kratos wannabe
@@MegaDynamiteDan Not even.
He was a cross between uncle fester and Ghandi
That was a good lesson followed by a hilariously well integrated sponsor. Props, lol
I un-ironically learned so much about how the not make a bad film from watching your stuff. Thank you 😊
Man I love your editing style. Always makes me laugh. Great video!
He, RedLetterMedia, and a few others are the best on this platform.
MCU Gorr isn't Gorr, he's just an offbrand Kratos LMAO
The last part of this video sums everything up well. I love some of the characters/villains they choose, but they’re definitely relying on too many things instead of the basics. Shang Chi and No Way Home may have been the only hits amongst all of the material they’ve put out recently. One was due to anticipation, and the other was due to the unknown. Thor is so comical at this point that it’s no stakes with him, no matter what they throw in. We know he will quip, flex a bit, and then become the hero and overcome per usual. This could’ve been their shot to reset things and let the God Butcher do some Butcherin’, but alas…
As a casual marvel cinematic universe enjoyer, this is the case where I say "it should've been better but it could've been worse"
I think this was bottom of the barrel.
Two things killed this movie
1. Too much unnecessary jokes
2. Failure to make Gorr look menacing (we should have gotten clips of him killing gods and perhaps collecting the map to eternity from one of them)