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The rapid fire bow, my thoughts on the Instant Legolas FANTASY RE-ARMED
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel has made a very interesting attachment to a bow that could be included in medieval fantasy settings, so here are my thoughts.
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Thanks for the coverage and all the kind words! Made my day :)
Maybe I should make an IL for you then.
Here are a few remarks:
Stronger bow: Well, a 70 pound compound bow usually outperforms a 100 pound longbow and going any higher seems pointless. Having said that, Joe Gibbs (who can pull really heavy longbows) said he will send a 160 lb longbow to me and I will make an IL for that one. I can probably not draw it out in full, but Joe can and I can't wait to hear what he thinks of it. In any case, heavy bows are exhausting and it takes time to operate them. Therefore the IL is most effective on a lighter bow and shorter distances, also as "tent defense" as you can hang it to your main pole fully ready for action.
Longer arrows: The IL can handle any arrow length, but as a difference to normal bows there is no minimum length. I am using those short 15" bolts as they already only have two vanes and are truly affordable. Yet you can make them as heavy as normal arrow simply by using a heavier tip. BUT I am currently experimenting with really short bolts, and I think that they can be just as accurate as long arrows. In fact they are less sensitive to side wind. Maybe our common assumption ("longer is more accurate") was wrong all the time. Thinking outside of the box, as you said. Short bolts (under 12 cm) are so much more compact.
Side: The IL can be attached to either side and I made both types. Just if you have a bow with a recess for the arrow rest (right of left handed bows), that settles the question as you need to attach it to the "open" side of the riser. I like the left side though as you can then add aiming devices, such as open sights or red dots. Hard to see through them if they are on the right side of it.
Magazine/clips: Everybody wants them and I have already made clips for faster reloading. This works but I am not a big fan. Such magazines tend to be clumsy. I think of the ILs as the 12 gauge pump gun of the archery world. Pump guns have no clips either (usually). Now with the new super short but heavy bolts, maybe I can make the AR-15 of the archery world... that one would HAVE to have high capacity exchangeable magazines.
Larger mags: My current gen 10 IL has 7 shots. It is not hard to make the mag as big as you want the thing gets very boxy at some point. My largest mag holds 35 arrows... and is fully automatic, powered by a battery drill.
That was it! Did I forget something? Probably. Let me know.
Thanks again and greetings from Southern Hessia
Jörg
im interested of what kind of IL you will give to shad... NU sensei receive the IGK and the modern history get the IRH so hope shad got a different version(although the functions are just the same)...
@@pRahvi0 The main reason arrows are the length they are is the length of the human arm. When you draw to your chin/ear/cheek/whatever, it is a stable and reproduceable draw, and the arrow need to be long enough to rest against the bow so you don't shoot yourself in the hand. I did it once, trying to use shorter arrows than I needed, thank goodness they were only target tips! - With a crossbow, the bolt can be shorter as long as it has good flight qualities, because the stock holds the bow instead of your hand, and there is a surface along which the bolt is guided. There is sometimes even a spring or clip to hold the bolt in place, so no hands are at risk.
You forgot to mention that the manufacturer only recommends 6 shots for the gen 10 IL ;)
Wie wär's mit Kreppband um die Bolzen beim Laden zusammenzuhalten, beim Schuss sollte das Kreppband ziemlich genau zerreißen und man muss nicht Unmengen an Magazinen herstellen?
@@christophfriedrich5289 Glaube da würden die kreppbandreste den lauf verkleben. Der bolzen/pfeil muss leider sehr sauber sein, wenn er durch die Führung vom IL gejagt wird. Aber ja. Outside of the box muss sein, also passt das 👍 kann auch sein, dass ich einen totalen denkfehler habe 😄
_Archery has a lot of draw backs_
Dude
How in the actual...
Who are you? Why are I you part of every single channel I see?
wow
Just curious, How much of your life have you spent on YT?
Don't nock it before you try it.
EyeAr WeeTawTed and why is the lack of mushash so significant.
12:46
_Double barreled bow_
*I'm hearing Joerg laughing in the distance, Shad what have you done!?*
Re: naming, I'm really feeling "Jörgsbow", all one word.
Jorgsbow I like it
Yes, definitely better then the Instant Legolas. Jorgbow, is so much easier to say and it immortalizes the inventor for centuries to come, as he deserves for his ingenuity!
I thought about "Bow/Crossbow-Crossover" but yeah... Jörgsbow is clearly the better one. :)
He’s too humble for that
@@jacobrieks9727 Then we'll have to make calling it that go viral so his hand is forced on that one. :D
"Thats a castle, let me show you it's features"
-Shad Joerg Brooks
“Hahahahaha, machicolationssaa hahahahaha”
Guilherme Hindenburg It can fit 7 rooms but manufacturer only recommends 6 👌🏻
MACHICOLATIONS manned by GERMANS using SLINGSHOTS to shoot SWORDS at DRAGONS.
... and the occasional POMMEL.
This is our machiculations, let me show you their Features. HAHAHA
Shad should ask Jorge to make some sound clips lol. It would be great.
Shad, if you write another fantasy book, please put _Joerg_ as a cameo, like a weapon shop owner.
_"This is a rapid firing fire crossbow+10. I call her 'Lucy'."_
"B-but I was asking for the price of that fire sword in that glass cas-"
_"LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!"_
"B-b-but I want that swor-"
_"HAHAHAHAHA!"_
THIS
Just commenting to get it noticed.
More like a mad bowmaker/inventor and merchant that the characters chance upon and are able to get a really good bow from.
Was a general weapon merchant a thing I wonder? seems to me a smith would make swords and other melee weapons while making bows was another profession entirely, so a weapons merchant would have to be someone who bought weapons from other people and sold them for more money, making their goods more expensive than simply going to where the weapons are produced in the first place. Unless of course blacksmiths and bowmakers didn´t sell their goods in that way because they wanted to make more instead of selling them since selling them to customers one by one takes a lot more time than making a contract with a weapons merchant.
@@TheDisgruntledImperial (edit) I'm incredibly tired and tipsy and didn't think about what others pointed out to me which is you may have meant you were trying to help it get noticed, like a forum bump type thing, so my bad if that's what you meant, I'm just so used to seeing people criticize others on here and saying they do what they did for this and that sooooooo just ignore me and my stupid drunk sleep deprived ass)
I'm not saying its impossible you are correct...but.
1.could they not have said it out of genuine desire and appreciation of the people involved?
And 2...um, isn't that describing something like 90 percent or more of comments on any social media site? I mean... I know very few people who speak for no reason, usually they want what they said to reach others of a like minded nature. Just saying.
Not everything and everyone is just about attention whoring...unless they say first... That is purely for attention like a child shouting an answer out in class without hearing the whole question or raising their hand.
Same as below, this needs an attention... :-D
"It takes someone of unique mind..."
That's a nice way of saying, "it takes a madman!"
quickly pulls cover over the Airzooka
"Not sure what you are talking about"
Creativity and madness are interchangable alot of the time
Mad engineers, just another variety of mad scientists.
A madman with woodworking tools and too much time. ^_^
"Let's..." seamlessly sheats sword in back scabbard..."get into it"
Much sexier than putting on sunglasses IMO
Just need to invent a helm scabbard for sunglasses and you can have both.
@@Torthrodhel CSI intensifies
"Someone of unique mind" is a very polite way to say "mad scientist". Cause let's be honest here, if Joerg had medical knowledge instead of engineering, he'd be sitting on top of a tower with a bunch of dead bodies stitched together, waiting for lightning to strike.
A Top Hollywood plastic surgeon
Making soulless people look great
@@scottmurphy4946 let me show you your features.
Now imagine a prosthetic arm made by Joerg :)
@@tomf3150 Yes
@@tomf3150 That thing would easily beat the Hulk 😨
I feel like the instant Legolas is what dwarves would come up with to mock elves, beating them at their own game with advanced technology
Joerg could definitely be a Dwarf in a fantasy setting.
Yep sounds right
Or the gnomes of Krynn.
Joerg is, in fact, a particularly tall dwarf
Well, it is what a human came up with to mock Legolas.
Joerg: the Smith, Shad: the Castellan, Matt: the Mentor, Skall: the Skald, Rapheal: the Wanderer, Ian: the Knight, Todd: the Guildmaster, and many more
Jazza the Limner, Simone and Jairus the mechanists
Lloyd: the Rambler (in vocal sense, of course)
I can already see a fantasy setting writing itself...
SwordSage, the philosopher
Lloyd: the philosopher
"The Joergbow" / "The Jörgbow" I rather like the sound of that.
Rapid fire bows and practical back scabbards; UA-camrs are making future fantasy (as in fantasy created in the future, not something like Star Wars) really interesting.
Stocatta made back scabbards first and pulled up evidence that back scabbards were used in Northern Scotland and Ireland.
Could also be useful if we got into a post-apocalyptic world in reality XD
@@PJDAltamirus0425 can I have a link for that?
@@elu9780 ua-cam.com/video/5Fq9tHfrV7A/v-deo.html
@@PJDAltamirus0425
As Terry said, looking at the dates posted, Shad's is still earlier, but another point to make is how easy it is to put the sword back into the scabbard. Shad has shown that, with his design, it is actually quite easy to draw the sword and put it back, but Stocatta's has only shown ease at drawing (as far as I am aware).
"I, alone, was the only survivor.
My entire army, completely annihilated! In my dreams I still see arrows falling like rain! " -nameless general
Just imagine if Joerg was in your fantasy setting lol
"And that laugh... It haunt me even during the day..."
@@kneemerls he told me he was going to show me the arrow's features.
"And then I took multiple arrows to both my knees."
@@tigershark8867
That was how general was demoted to a town guard.
It's actually make sense. Given that the general was probably the only one with proper full armor...
If I'm not mistaken, "bow" in German is "Bogen". Maybe something along the lines of "Jörgsbogen" would make a good name for a medieval or fantasy name. For the modern day, IL is great.
I saw a German Bogen Jorg mama
imagine playing DnD and you hear about this bow ... you go to find it and all of a sudden Joerg pops up "So let me show you its features ha ha ha"
*YES!*
I Love This Name!
@@ShogunLazo imagine breaking into an npc house and its joerg
@@jersianaltacc3802 the PCs try to murderhobo the Blacksmith.
_"Ah ha ha ha. Let me show you it's features"_
And with the usage of the Jörgsbow, just like that, a new job was born: the "Arrowfeeder".
Archers who use the Jörgsbow soon went on to use two or three of these bows on the Battlefield at once, emptying the magazine of one bow and giving the empty bow to their " Arrowfeeder", a type of Squire, to reload in exchange for the second, loaded bow, and so on.
In this fashion, they could shoot their arrows in fast succession with less worrying about reloading time.
Der Skalde what if they had giant chain mags, kinda like current LMG mags
@@JUNIsLuke
That would've probably been very heavy, probably side-heavy, and difficult to wield.
And considering that rubberbands weren't a thing back then, I don't know how they would've created the tension.
And that would take even longer to reload once the last arrow's shot, so still a squire to reload is needed.
Der Skalde oh yea completely agree but could you imagine!!
Lords hate him: find out why at your local town crier.
Well the reload problem can be easily solved : volley fire.
You could just have a trained force able to reliably fire the 10/6 arrow in the same time in wich they can reload the arrow , or maybe half the time and have them in three ranks instead of two .
The rate of fire would be insane
Did the same thing for muskets. Though how would you fit a bayonet on a bow?
Or you could train Pikemen or other infantry just to reload the bows. Give every Archer 1 Loader and 2 or 3 Bows (historically they had anyway) and they should be able to constantly fire for about a minute before the poundage of the bow takes its toll. As you said, insane rate of fire and, in case of Pikemen mixed in with the archers, relativ safety from Cavalry.
@@David_randomnumber Basically a tercio with bows rather than arquebusses.
kleinjahr I’ve seen someone make a bow out of machetes
@@Matt-dy7uq Let me show you it's features.
You’re going to love his latest design tweak, with assisted draw.
Solving reload time is easy: fire and reload in alternating ranks. That's what they did with muskets
And crossbows
- Why nobody has invented it in medieval period?
- There was no UA-cam.
Because ua-cam.com/video/2zGnxeSbb3g/v-deo.html
On a serious note, that's a solid point tbh. It's hard to underestimate the importance of open knowledge circulation
@@shryggur As Lars Andersen demonstrate, at some point in history, someone may have had the knowledge to shoote very fast. But if they had that knowledge in medival europe is uncertain
@@Fetguf Lars does trickshots you do not get full power or accuracy by doing so.
Unlike this device where you get full power always.
@@havtor007 It's enough power to pierce chainmail, and enough accuracy to hit 3 moving disks while running backwards in 1.5 seconds.
I feel like Joerg would be thought of like Da Vinci/Archimedes status if he was born in medieval times.
So a conspirator
He'd either be revered or executed. All depends on his luck, really.
This is something straight out of Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.
Damn now theirs a reference
One of my favorite channels reviewing one of my other favorite channels??? I can't express how awesome this is.
You forgot one of the most important things about Joerg's channel:
His hearty laugh.
HA HA HA! Let me show you its features!
Thanks and bye bye
Let me show you its features.
so much this :)
Jörg Laugh > JoJo Laugh
soldiers who were using early firearms such as muzzle loaders while holding a defensive position, it was not uncommon to have someone that shoots and another person that would reload. This would lower the total balls going donwrange at any point in time but greatly decreased the downtime between shots.
Assuming you have a good marksmen shooting, you could have an unskilled person simply reloading.
Not sure how often this happened with crossbows but certainty the same principle would work with a repeating Legolas bow
It was somewhat common with crossbows afaik. I have to point out though that you wouldn't have someone "unskilled" reload any kind of muzzle loader, outside of lowering your rate of fire because it takes experience to reload those things even remotely quickly and second, it would be a recipe for desaster. Making a mistake reloading a muzzle loader can easily cost you a finger (and that's if you are cautious enough to make the barrel point away from anyone, otherwise it could lead to a lethal accident). As a matter of fact, the skill of early gunmen often was measured in regards to how quickly they could shoot rather than how precisely, notably because those weapons were inherently inaccurate anyways.
Nobunaga added a third line of arquebusier and voila, medieval gatling gun line
That same base idea is actually still used to this day but with guns.
Look up talking guns. It's the practice of two or more usually lmg but can be other types, and one will fire say half his mag then the other guy fires half then the first guy fires his second half and reloads as the second guy shoots his second half.
It helps overheat issues, being the primary target too long, and ensures there's always rounds going down range.
Also fun fact, this like many other things are simply inventions of long ago, just using modern stuff to make it better, look at the oldest cannons and guns, and look at the civil war grapeshot.
Tanks, grenades(a particular flashbang with hard rubber balls in it called hornets nest I believe) and even rounds for the rail gun are doing the same thing right now... Just a bunch of balls in a container propelled at high speed to deal high damage in a wide path, But now it's tungsten or something similar.
@@darthplagueis13 Believe it or not there were some pretty stupid people behind those at times. Ever see a civil war soldier in uniform? See those little brown bags on his waist only a few inches apart from each other?
Yeah... Those were both wonderful and terrible, those are bags of black powder, they are filled to the exact amount of powder you need for a single shot.
However... Two big issues with them were 1.many times in the heat of combat some dipshit would end up pouring multiple bags in and boom goes the gun, and the guy.
And 2.if by any chance the shooter or one next to him fell down and fired or otherwise in any fashion managed to get an ignition source close to those bags.. Well second verse same as the first basically, only with a higher chance of being engulfed in flames as opposed to an actual explosion, depending on many factors that is.
So yes to sum it up... You can't always just pick the best of the best. Hell you can't do that now... If you could literally the entire military would just be navy seals, green berets and the like...which actually sounds nasty in an awesome way if you ask me.. But alas impossible.
I'd thought of this years ago, w*rking on a Birthright style fantasy wargame with friends. I used it with crossbows, mind you, but...
Have an archery team set up with a few buckets o' bolts, a large shield or two for counterfire, and have your 'trained' archer fire one bow while the other two are being reloaded by two peasants who would switch off the windlass duty. Rate of (accurate) fire would be higher, and the cost of peasants was minimal. More people to feed, but...
Only recently started thinking about how modern techniques might have been allowable in fantasy settings, and came up with 'failed' mage apprentices (for whatever reason: Lack of magical talent, loss of city holding the academy, kicked out for misdemeanors, etc.) who need to support themselves, and are not allowed to use their magical talents by law (not full mages or whatever). Using higher 'magical' ideas, what could change? New smelting ideas, alloys, the whole idea of compound bows, manufacturing processes, etc.. I'm writing a story about a shapeshifter at the moment, but after this...?
“Wouldn’t that be cool but I don’t know how to do it” is the story of my life
Thank you for pointing us to Joerg's channel. His laugh alone was enough to illuminate my evening, his ingeniosity is just awsome on top of that.
Speaking of clips, there is a kind of similar technique used to fill rifle magazines. Ammo comes in tens on some kind of rail, add a small plastic between the rail and the magazine to align the properly and you just have to push the ammo down inside. It is sometimes tricky because you have to push against the spring, but in the instant Legolas' case there would be no opposing force to cause resistance and the arrows would come in aligned, in the correct number. You would gain precious time having a batch ready at one instead of having to draw them one by one from the quiver, and more importantly in the heat of battle, with stress or sweaty fingers, you would only have to set the clip in the correct position once instead of fumbling through the process for every arrow.
and yet some people dare to paint him as terrorist helper/enabler, that's why I support him in his mission with the Fairtube
To all the people talking about reload speed, Joerg also has a version with a stripper clip on his channel: ua-cam.com/video/UR-AWnnehiE/v-deo.html
The Henry rifle wasn't very fast to reload but it represented a vast tactical improvement on the battle field because of its rapid fire. The bow becomes a much more aggressive weapon when you apply Joerg's device. It greatly increases the mobility and ability for "high volume of fire", making it idea for assault tactics where you are storming an enemy position. You don't have to worry about the necessity of reloading if you have multiple people firing to cover your reloading time.
And it only took 13 seconds to reload slowly.
Ha. Stripper clips.
Additionally you could do the same as they did with crossbows: Have someone reload a second bow while you're shooting. Even with this device archery requires strength and skill - reloading does not so practically everyone could fill in the reload-role.
name for this type of bow... how bout the hard-lock bow or wood-lock bow?...
clockwork bow?, the Joerg resting bow?
Robin hood: (breaks into a castle) what is that thing?
Joerg: Let me show you its features.
Guten tag!!
in walks joerg dressed as the merchant from resident evil 4
Robin Hood is known more for his accuracy than his rof
in fantasy its a "lost technology", something that mankind no longer has the skills to replicate; these items are refereed to as 'artifacts'
they can range from repeating crossbows & flint lock weapons, to telescopes & hot air balloons
a *legendary* artifact may be something like a "revolver"
the instant legolas may be classed even higher if it were clip fed
That chain mail and Tabard Shad is wearing look sharp.
Sees Shad and Joerg crossover:
"LoNg HaVe I wAiTed"
TodAy tHE CRoSSOVer IS At OUr DoOR
Next up. The back scabard sword launcher. "Let me show you its features "
YES
11:11 You are wrong about soldiers using Joerg's mechanism being unable to shoot back the regular arrows that the enemy shot at them. Once they run out of their special short arrows and are left only with the long arrows from the enemy, it is only matter of untying a piece of twine to detach their Instant Legolases and have normal bows compatible with long arrows. Sure, they give up the advantage of insane fire rate and better accuracy, but once the enemy is out of arrows, them still having any long range capability is a huge advantage in itself.
Instant Legolas is designed in such a way that it does not modify a bow in any way, but merely attaches to it. And while attaching it may take some time, detaching it is really easy and can be done in seconds on the battlefield.
Good point.
Does this mean our new rapid-fire archers can detach the mechanism and end their foes rightly without even drawing swords?
@@smilermiles4660 Yes! :D
It could still be pointless. If the arrow shafts break after striking something hard like shields, armor, rocks, trees, etc... they can't be fired back anyway. Arrowheads can be collected after a battle and put on new shafts relatively easily compared to making new arrows after all.
Not to mention you could have the medieval equivalent of "powder monkeys" to bring fresh loaded IL's to the archers and take away the spent ones to reload. Have multiple rows of archers where the ones in the front expend all their arrows, then go to the back and swap out their IL with a new one, then step forward behind the guy shooting and take his place when he's out. Rinse and repeat ad nauseam. :)
"with that tension out of the way"
Well played, Shad. Well played. 👏
"The main attribute of a bow is strength, not dexterity." My inner D&Der cast a fist-of-awesomeness when you said that.
Why not both? Wouldn't a bow also require some dexterity to draw the next arrow, knock it and aim effectively. Kinda like how dark souls usually has fairly high DeX and strength for the good bows.
@@EM-vw7im The key word here is "main". Both are important for using a bow, but STR is the prime stat for using it. A well aimed bow (DEX) will not hit anything if you can't draw back (STR) the arrow fully, or hold it until you've aimed it (Both). Our Home Brew rules give distance bonuses for any STR stats that are higher than what the bow requires.
Yes for both, dex would be for effective range and to hit, strength would be for bow poundage. Minimum strength required for better and better bows makes sense, though magic could be assisting the draw. Remember, you getting stronger doesnt make the bow hit much further unless you're severely underdrawing.
@@NeoIsrafil -- Exactly. Additionally, with high STR you can hold the bow at full draw for longer while aiming (DEX) for that perfect shot.
Charles Esseltine but aren’t there certain techniques that are used to get rid of using STR?
First thought upon seeing the video's thumbnail: "Shad is a man of culture."
Are you kidding me? Listen to this man's accent! Of course he's a man of culture!
I always knew, but I am not refusing further confirmation.
Both Shads are men of culture.
Lol
I was just thinking to myself ´hmm i could watch some Shadiversity right now´ and this was in my Recommendations
Same!
You must subscribe!
Or maybe it was in your *Machicolations? ;)
I love both videos! And both of you showoff your craftsmanship with the repeating bow and the back sword sheet! Awesomeness LvL 999999!
Man, what an amazing video.
I follow both of you and I like the kind of content that you both bring out to all of us.
Funny thing, your "removable clip" idea is a well-known and thoroughly developed idea in the firearms world. Late 19th and early 20th century bolt action rifles (particularly military use ones) often use what's called a "stripper clip", which is a line of bullet cartridges clipped onto a short strip of sheet metal that lines up with guides on the firearm. The cartridges are secured because the edges of the stripper clip are bent around into rails that insert into the rim of the cartridge on each side.
You line the stripper clip up with the guides, push the cartridges down into the internal magazine, and discard the stripper clip itself in a single motion that's a lot faster than individually loading 6-8 rounds.
Joerg video: ua-cam.com/video/UR-AWnnehiE/v-deo.html
you can also forgo a solid clip in favour of two pieces of tape on either side of a stack of arrows, it will keep the desired number together and will just tear when the bow is shot, similar to a nail gun clip.
@@windhelmguard5295 You're essentially describing a machine gun belt, right?
@@LumosX that depends.
some machine gun belts do come apart when fired, but there are also ones that exit the other end whole and can be reloaded, but you get the idea.
Just imagine
if JoergSprave makes a Rapid Fire Trebuchet that Launches Giant Pommels
Well Jörg did make a sword with pommel launching action sooo
that... would end them rightly.
With a detachable spear
Im pretty sure thats forbidden under both the geneva convention and the will of god.
Duchi he’s end the whole kingdom rightly
This feels like something classic fantasy dwarves would come up with.
Idea for this in D&D:
"Joerg's Bow"
Longbow +2
holds 10 arrows
each attack you take with it, you can shoot twice instead of once
takes 1 action to reload 1 arrow
constructive criticism is appreciated :)
It's also more accurate. Otherwise sounds about right. Jorgs actual bow holds 7 (he deems the bigger magazines too bulky, although to be fair, medieval fighters might have been fine with bigger).
@@irisdogma8174 yeah, kinda forgot about the more accurate part, so should probably make it along the lines of a +2 bow. Also checks out with the higher damage, looking at his recent video about the newest improvement on the system on his channel (rubber band to split the force needed for pulling the bow to push and pull)
As for the magazine size: I wanted to go with an even number, so any player wouldn't be left with a random single arrow loaded. Also, 10 seemed to be a nice number for d&d, as it would be 5 attack actions before reloading, not counting the mulitattack for fighter/ranger
Thanks for the input :)
@@pupyasko1233 machanicly in D&D thats a lot of power is probably just add 1or 2 additional attacks to your attack action sense you know fighters exist and they could fire the whole clip in a pretty easily getting 10ish attacks or quick quiver active. But I believe this is a great start
@@dicorockhimself that's what I tried to balance out with reloading taking up 1 action per arrow. Though I must say that I'm not that experienced with those things, as this is essentially my first try in homebrewing ever
@@pupyasko1233 its all good I homebrew a lot thats why I mentioned it :D plus if someone gets a hold of swift quiver thats so many shots. A another way to balance this would be to focus it on the damage, and make the arrows deal double damage but consumes twice the ammo.
The Joerg-Bow would be the first bow requiring Int-Dex rather than Strength Dex
Strength-int
It's still STR & Dex, It's just a more powerful bow with lower STR and DEX requirements being among it's many, many, FEATURES. It's more expensive and require would require a higher INT to craft though.
Naah... The bow user is still STR-DEX type. The crafter is the one who INT-DEX-LUK
don't forget con for the fire rate
They are generally easy to draw (lighter bows), and the newest version has a rubber assisted mechanism that spreads the weight over push/pull (rather than just pull) - halving the draw weight.
It also has a fixed drawback point (you can't 'draw it more'). So apart from a low minimum strength, str is irrelevant. At the very least, you get no benefit from being very strong.
"Not going to call it the shooty bow".
Disappointed greenskin noises
Tha shooty gitz will luv tis
"Ye 'ol DAKKA"
SHOOTY BOW?! WHAT'S IT MATTER TO A GIT IF IT AINT A GOOD KRUMPIN BOW?!
Very glad you did this one ... been watching the slingshot ch for a while . Love the insta leggy . Keep up the awesome work .
*"Favor the bow, eh? I'm a sword man myself."*
Instant Legolas would very much work in medieval big army or elite squad. The most beautiful thing about this device is you can actually tinker & adjust the design to your own preferable bows. Just imagine this:
hard draw bow + 8-10 very short bolt magazine with clipper
hard draw bow + 6-7 bolt magazine, self loading
hard draw bow + 3-4 arrow magazine, self loading
(sniper type of bow, more powerful but slow ROS)
medium draw bow + 8-10 very short bolt magazine with clipper
medium draw bow + 6-7 bolt magazine, self loading
medium draw bow + 3-4 long arrow magazine, self loading
(assault rifle type of bow, medium power & medium ROS)
easy draw bow + 8-10 very short bolt magazine with clipper
easy draw bow + 6-7 bolt magazine, self loading
easy draw bow + 3-4 arrow magazine, self loading
(SMG type of bow, very fast ROS but less powerful)
This kind of variations would simply make a more organize army & preferences.
With different draw weights and ammo types all I can think of is the predator bow from Crysis 3.
Croz Raven by the way, the Chinese invented their IL with the invention of their crossbow
@@ZinbaForLife What's "IL"?
IL is instant legolas. But the one I’m talking about is fixed to the crossbow
@@ZinbaForLife Oh .. You mean Chu Ko Nu. Yeah, he did build a lot of repeating crossbow versions before "IL," based & improved upon Chu Ko Nu concept. But IL itself was inspired from ancient "arrow guiding tool" for bow from a lot of Asian archery in combination of everything that he learned so far.
2026: You can buy a carbon fibre Jörgbow at your local supermarket With 2x5 mags
Jörg found a manufacturer for this. So probably more like 2020 not 2026 😁
We need common sense bow laws. Not one needs a high capacity assault bow! - CNN probably
@@80krauser
Our gov will beat it by light-years.
First, they will classify it as crossbow. That will make it highly restricted and almost impossible to own. Then, the fact it has "high capacity magazine" will make it completely banned.
I am afraid. They are tightening the weaponlaws in germany. Knives with >4cm length are forbidden. They might realize there are actually dangerous weapons that have no regulations.... Like repeating bows 🤯
#BanAssaultBows xD
Love Joerg's channel & enthusiasm!!!
Excellent video, and I hope that all is well with you and your recovery. I know from personal experience how difficult that is, so good luck.
"It's main attribute should be strength, not dexterity"
That made me smash the like button asap
It's a recurring theme on the fantasy re-armed series.
But it completely ignores that a 150 pound bow is something a D&D character with a strength of 5 can use. The average strength 10 wizard can lift 300 pounds...and so is more buff than most of todays body builders :P (Not actual weightlifters, of course)
@@elana1463 I don't think that's how bows work, I'm not bow expert, but I feel like the poundage is related to how much your hand can pull
@@levkrasovsky4920 Yes, but you cannot lift things heavier than what you can pull.
In their attempts to simplify, they made the average character freakishly strong.
(And back in 3rd edition days a 150 pound pull would have required at least a 13 strength, better a 14, which also meant you could wield bows that did more damage, which still existed in that version of the game )
@@elana1463 "you cannot lift things heavier than what you can pull." people use leg musculus for a proper lifting thus arm pull strength and possible carry weight aren't related
Shad Fact: Shad blew up a rocket ship. With the power of his lungs he sent a rocket ship to the ISS.
Why was he so angry with the rocket?
@@mme.veronica735 it had no MACHICOLATIONSSSSSSSSS!!!
@@TheLiamis ...so Shad just went out to tell it what it was lacking, and since he had no microphone he just shouted the word with the appropriate enthusiasm. Once storm had settled, it was found the rocket ship was no longer there but halfway on its way to the orbit.
@@mme.veronica735 Maybe Shad thought the rocket was attempting to be a tower for a castle.
I remember sketching out devices for exactly this kind of task; it's so good to see people with the skill to make such things as rapid-bow-arrow-firing devices
I am so glad that UA-cam recommended you to me. I was never interested on how swords work, how accurately they are shown in tv shows, video games etc. And castles? Didn't care at all. Now I love them! I love your channel to bits!
The word, repeater-bow springs to mind for me with 'Slingshots' design. Like in Warhammer fantasy/AOS, you have repeater-crossbows, so I don't think the terminology is too far fetched for 'Slingshots' new design.
Nice vid Shad, thanks for the entertainment and education.
The repeater crossbow is a real weapon from medieval China.
@@RokuroCarisu oh yeah; sorry there.
Calum Deighton chu no ku
@@RokuroCarisu they are not the same tho, dark elf repeater crossbows lack the 'pump bar' of chinese repeater crossbows. they pull the string back manually and load 2 bolts at once. some depictions of dark elf repeater crossbows don't even have the magazine...
YES! I NEED TO SEE THIS NOW
Joerg is the best! ALWAYS happy to see people feature his ideas!
This fits my fantasy writing project perfectly! Thanksies!
'Machicolation-bow'. Because it's synonym for useful, effective and awesome.
Mach-bow, for short.
Shad teaches us how to walk the straight and arrow path
Dammit, you got me...
Hah!
The word you was looking for regarding quickly reloading the clip is a speed load strip.
You can get these for revolvers , it’s function is to just hold multiple rounds for speedy loading and then the part holding them is removed before it can be closed.
i love the orc-longbow idea you made a while back integrated well with my fantasy novelle
an awesome thing is, Joerg Sprave has contacted bow manufactures to produce professional semi automatic carbon fiber bows
I'm warning you, Shad. If you talk smack about my internet granddad, Joerg, we're going to break up.
Really Jeorg has engineered the bow from a basic to a more advanced weapon system. And to answer the question as to why this wasn't used in medieval times... I think Jeorg kind of answered the question with how quickly he cranked out multiple versions using different mechanisms, tolerances, and arrow lengths. Arming an army with these weapons systems would have required a standardized product, system of production, and training dozens of people in producing the bows, arrows, and Legolas devices and parts. The early and middle ages weren't like modern times where you can jump on Skill Share and find people teaching skills. Back then, artisan skills like woodworking, smithing, masonry, etc... were passed down father to son, and the skills and techniques were NOT often shared between weapon makers for obvious financial reasons.
Thank you for introducing this to your audience, such a cool thing and I never would've learned about it if not for this video.
A Wild JOERG EMERGES ! ! !
"LET ME SHOW YOU IT'S FEATURES, hahaha ha!"
"Meet the Slingshot Fortress! Hahaha! LET ME SHOW YOU ITS--"
*MACHICOLATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS*
Two of my favorite YT channels finally converging. What a day to be alive :D Shad, you NEED Joerg to build you an Instant Legolas :D
He is just brilliant, i subscribed just because I love his laugh.
from a medieval stand point, couldn't you have an "assistant archer" (in the American army we have AGs or assistant gunners that carry the ammo and assist in reloading) and an extra bow already loaded and while the archer is shooting the "AA" is reloading the other bow?
If you were a layman or peasant, no.
If you were nobility, you did. They were serfs.
@@DoctorProph3t cool didnt know that archers had peeps too, you usually only see them portrayed as sticking a bunch of arrows in the ground in front of them
A serf assisting a knight or other nobility with their archery wasn’t commonly seen on battlefields, as the only mentions of it are during demonstrations. It didn’t really kick off until Fowlery became popular among the elite.
Most of the time, poor bastards only assisted themselves.
crossbowman (due to the MUCH longer reload time) would sometimes have one or two loaders, much as seen with muskets in certain situations. if you have two shooters and two muskets, you want them both shooting, but if you have one actual shooter, 4 muskets and a bunch of non combatants... well load guns.
I like the adaptation of American infantry doctrine into the medieval world, but you can't really pre-load a bow.
One scenario I can imagine the Instant Legolas would be invented would be at the middle or at the late years of hundred years wars by the English thus be used to compliment the need for more archers and when the war of the roses goes into full swing I see it be more prevalent
Another scenario would be the Byzantine empire
Byzantine would be most likely, they were well known for mechanical tinkering/wonders
My favorite alternative reality is „what if there was no gunpowder?“
In the 17th century for example, you would see unique mechanical contraptions like this in a pre-steampunk-esque setting. The Instant Legolas would fit in that perfectly!
been waiting for this video!
Before I watch I want to say some of my thoughts on the bow,
First it would allow an army to do a much more efficient staggered fire with much less practice and a lot faster volleys, with much less practice, you wouldn’t need as many archers and the less practice is very good considering army’s were made largely of slightly trained people from sounding villages
I imagine a world where they had this contraption early and then made the jump to Gatling Crossbows instead of early cannons on the battlefield.
Joerg built a fully-auto schnellbogen (repeating bow) using a power drill. No reason it couldn't be hand-cranked.
I'd love to see the Instant Legolas vs Lars Anderson. A Paul Bunyan competition of sorts!
There wouldn't be much of a competition, Lars is a low draw weight trick shooter, where as Yerg's design function on high hunting weight bows and theoretical on war weight bows. A real test would be against Mongolian horse archers, who can rapid fire accurately hunting and war bows from horseback
@@vepristhorn8278 The advantage Lars has over the Mongolians is that he hasn't died centuries ago, though. :P
What makes this notion interesting is that Lars has been able to master all those tricks in relatively short time. I wonder it it's quicker to learn fast shooting than to build the muscle capacity for heavy bows.
Because if it is, it largely hampers the advantage you gain with this device.
@@pRahvi0 Can Joerg use his full-auto crossbow instead, then? ;)
@@pRahvi0 While their empires have fallen Mongolia is still a country and a culture, and while they may no longer have mounted legions their style of archery is very much alive and is practiced in quite a number of countries across the world.
What good is shooting fast if your arrow doesn't possess the energy to penetrate and kill
Also with Lars we only see his successes we don't see how many times he misses a trick
I'm not nocking Lars, his shooting is impressive and he has put in a lot of work to developing his skills, the issue is repeating those skills at a lethal poundage, he shoots around a 15# bow. We've seen that 160# bow can't penetrate plate but can penetrate mail since the primary target on an opponent is center mass the bow is question would need to be of a high enough poundage to penetrate standard chest armor. If you go take a lesson at your local range you will see that a 15-20# bow doesn't have the energy to be viable.
(edit) while looking up his draw weight I found this and it is a great read targetcrazy.com/blog/lars-andersen-and-medieval-speed-archery/
@@vepristhorn8278 My point was precisely that the instantly increased speed is no big advantage if you need years of training just to shoot heavy enough bows to actually do something. In other words, if you'll need to train for years anyway, you could probably learn a trick or two while doing that. Maybe even the kind of fast shooting that this device allows for beginners (with lighter bows).
Also to everyone talking about reload speed, remember you could easily have a designated 'loader' and each archer would just cycle between two bows.
Would be an excellent setup for a siege/pitched battle where you wanted to lay down a constant volley of arrows for whatever reason.
In such a scenario, having 2 archers each firing full poundage warbows would give a better result.
@@Debbiebabe69 not necessarily. A reloader could be trained in an hour, whereas a trained archer takes years to be effective. With a dedicated loader, you could significantly enhance your archers fire rate as there would be plenty of untrained men who could be assigned to the task.
@@kelleren4840 It would give you much better combat capabilities to train all those 'loaders' as spearmen. Plus it would not take that long to train someone to use an instant legolas (the inventor actually trained up a completely unskilled supermodel to use one in under an hour), its an actual warbow that takes years of training (and has no use for a loader)
@@Debbiebabe69 Sure. And it would also be great if you could just train up every man woman and child to be a fully fledged knight with heavy plate armor and...and...and... but that's ignoring real, practical constraints on that type of thing.
The very fact it takes years of training to be proficient with a Warbow means there will ALWAYS be a limited number of archers (or knights, for similar reasons). Hence a contraption that could easily turn someone without years of training into someone quite proficient with a warbow, and likewise boost the firing rate of a veteran archer.... would absolutely be a huge game changer.
One of the big constraints on mass producing plate armor was exactly that... you couldn't mass produce it. Saying the instant legolas wouldn't have had an enormous influence on ranged warfare is like saying a modern steel plant wouldn't increase armor production, or the printing press wouldn't increase book publication.
The instant legolas would both reduce the learning curve for archers an enormous amount and grant trained archers (especially with loaders) an astronomical advantage over anyone without that same technology.
@@Debbiebabe69 What is better is to have the spearmen be the loaders when enemies are far and then be spearmen when enemies are near. Rate of fire for archers will slow down but they are not really the main focus of the battle anymore. Depending on how skilled they are the archers could load while repositioning to a new location.
For the double bow, it could be extremely effective in a situation where you have a large horde of archers all shooting an rain of arrows on a troupe of enemies, here it would effectively double the amount of arrows in the air and therefore double the caused by each volley
Let him show us it's features [insert maniacal laugh here]
I love how Shad really looks like a fantasy adventurer in his recent videos.
Good point about the time needed to reload the magazine. The clip idea is great and I think Joerg will likely find a way to incorporate it into the design. Great that his revolutionary 'Sprave-bow' is getting so much attention, can't wait to get system for my bow!
Invention requires no extraordinary intellect, but an abundance of time, curiosity, and sufficient access to resources.
So, from what I'm hearing, in a medieval setting, the instant Legolas would be more for sieges than a field battle. (Unless the reload problem can be solved)
Ambushes and hit and run attacks would work too.
in formations the loading of arrows could be staggered. Half the guys load while the other half pump arrows in the sky.
Because of the slideing and locking mechnism, the muzzle could be set on the ground and the bow arm stepped on to cock it.
Kinda like a bow destringing aid.
That way body weight is used to load the bow meaning untrained people coukd load and fire a 150 lb war bow with little issue.
ah, I see you going over the features.
On the point about clips, both types you describe exist in the firearms world, they're known as "en-bloc" clips and "stripper" clips. Both are used to load ammunition into an integral magazine, the en-bloc clip is loaded as a complete unit, functions as the feed lips for the magazine, and is ejected when the last round is either loaded into the chamber or fired, depending on the rifle. The classic example of the en-bloc clip feeding system is the M1 Garand. Stripper clips are used to hold ammo in a convenient packet for loading, but are not loaded into the magazine as a complete unit, the firearm will have a stripper clip guide that the clip is placed into, then the rounds are pushed off the clip and into the magazine. The stripper system is common on many rifles including the Lee Enfield, SKS, Mosin Nagant, and Mauser pattern rifles.
Loving the armor/outfit. Very cool yet classy.
This is such a cool video idea. I was thinking about using your back scabbard design in my fantasy novel. Is that okay?
Yesss. I've been waiting for this video for a while now.
One thing to note, Shad, about stability. _up to a point_, the string tension helps stability. Without the string tension, your extended arm is having to provide all the "lift" on the bow, whereas when you have the string under tension, it (sort of!) helps to pull the bow up.
This video has made my day, Jörg Sprave is my favourite UA-camr (sorry Shad, you're up there too of course!). Great to see a video response to his IL invention from another channel I subscribe to!
THE SPRAVE BOW!
It's early afternoon on a Friday, I got out of work early, sitting here with my well deserved beer and Shad is talking about rapid fire bows.
Life's good.
It is interesting to watch this video after so much improvement had been made, but good points and good energy! The stripper clip is perfected for the 3D printable toy version, and maybe not so much practical, but exchangeable magazines exist as well
One thing worth noting: Even without a proper detachable magazine this would be a massive asset for an Archer unit that was faced with a charge. Ideally the front lines don't collapse and the charge doesn't happen and their standard bows are all they need to use... but if the lines collapse and a ton of troops are charging at them the ability to get off five arrows per archer in an extremely short period of time would be a game changer.
Just my pre-video two cents on the instant legolas, it feels like the instant legolas would work a lot for rolls that require less draw weight. Anything you can shoot repeatedly, so you can get maybe a whole resupply chain and keep firing.
This could be tememdously useful for archery on horseback, maybe with a detachable part. And I am very hesitant to say if any of this would actually increase volume of fire.
@El Bearsidente With the instant legolas you can keep both hands on the bow for longer. As a stationary weapon it doesnt matter, because you can set up arrows in easy to reach places to shoot faster.
The Chinese did invent the repeating crossbow. For some reason, I’ve always felt the need to include this weapon in any fantasy setting I dream up.
Seriously, this fact needs to be mentioned in the video. The repeating crossbow is an OLD Chinese weapon that saw use in warfare up into the 1800's.
It also wasn't very good, which is why we don't see it used much in real life: faster shots mean little if you run out of ammo in 10 minutes, and a field army just can't carry enough weight with it to make up for the ammo loss. As such, it's better to have a weapon that shoots slower but farther, and is as uncomplicated as possible so it's easier to fix. On the defense, such a weapon has more value: manpower is much more of a limiter than the equipment, so you can expend way arrows and bolts purely as discouragement so the enemy is forced into an expensive and exhausting siege.
Bubba's Big Blast it wasn’t as good as a regular crossbow but it was still good. They used it for thousands of years from 4th century bc till the guns replaced them
It had very weak force, so short range, and low lethality. Chinese armour was also pretty weak (bamboo and cloth). This on the other hand can be used short-medium range with pretty decent stopping power.
@@irisdogma8174 no one's denying that but this video makes it seem like no one's ever invented one before. I'm pretty sure the guy who made this bow also was inspired by the Chinese design
Reloading can be dealt with by having two men with a set of bows, one fires and one to reloads while the other is firing.
I was literaly watching jörgs videos for the first time today when I decided to watch a good old katana and longsword Video which brought me here. to now discover you have already reacted to Jörgs Videos. Life is good