Doing the IMPOSSIBLE in MEDIEVAL ARCHERY, with Lars Andersen: longbow / warbow
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- Опубліковано 20 жов 2024
- TWO AWESOME REPLY VIDEOS of experienced archers giving this a try:
From Mead Longbows: • Trying the IMPOSSIBLE!...
From Armin Hirmer: • Shooting Mediterranean...
Lars Andersen and myself show you something that some people have claimed to be IMPOSSIBLE in archery with any type of bow, specifically drawing the arrow on the right side with what is called the Mediterranean grip and that you cannot be accurate shooting this way. Well, it seems like we're about to achieve the impossible!
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*TWO AWESOME REPLY VIDEOS* from experienced archers giving this a try:
From Mead Longbows: ua-cam.com/video/9b1HP2siI24/v-deo.html
From Armin Hirmer: ua-cam.com/video/dtfwM7AfJe4/v-deo.html
(UPDATE) hey so it turns out I might have been wrong at 29:54 where I said the arrows were in the quiver upside down as there's actually historical precedent for this as explained here: ua-cam.com/video/P7qhmMRgMVE/v-deo.html
See, even I fall into the trap of imposing our assumptions of what is "right" and "proper" on medieval archery and art and unfairly discredit it, shame on me, because what is also interesting about this rabbit at 29:54 is what he is doing with the thumb of his bow hand. . . ^_^
Makes sense if the fletchings are short and broad heads aren't too sharp. Perhaps bodkins would be better. I just figured the artist was doing the "through the looking glass" thing with the rabbit and "upside down" arrows. Wonder whom the artist was making fun of in that depiction.
But that artwork is obviously FANTASTICAL and UNREALISTIC!!
That means that bows aren't real.
I thought wou where gonna do the Wilhem Tell shot :) (That with reliably one arrow splitting the shaft of the arrow that has been shot at the target before)
that rabbit's form looked pretty good to me... this is a hundred percent possible, and absolutely asinine to think the archers of days gone by wouldn't consider this and get good enough at it to make it work.. why the hell wouldn't they?
8:44 watch what Legolas is doing witch his arrow. Right on point.
I got into a car once, having never done so before, and tried to drive it. I could hardly get it moving, and once I did, found it almost impossible to control. I can only conclude from this that driving a car is literally impossible and any attempt to do so would be highly dangerous.
I know right. I also have years of experience in bicycling, so I'm confident to say the only proper vehicle for transportation is a bike. Everything else is just foolish trickery with no connection to reality.
@@pRahvi0 I love this
Also, some movies are fictional with fantastical elements, so LITERALLY, every movie depicting someone driving a car without crashing it is historically inaccurate and impossible.
To be fair, it is highly dangerous. But we just ignore that danger because we have to get to work.
@@DSzaks I think a first time driver, trying to get to work, is much more dangerous.
Whenever someone says something is "impossible", despite the laws of physics not making it impossible _(for example there's a difference between saying its impossible for a pig to fly into orbit by flapping its feet, and saying its impossible for a pig to run across a highway without being killed),_ it only shows their lack of creativity, not their professionalism.
People often misuse the term "impossible", when they should be using "improbable" instead.
Let us rephrase their claim, it is impossible for them, because they are unable to do something different, than what they are used to.
I also noticed that people often misuse the terms "physics" and "logic" in a similar fashion :D.
I think this is a strong case of confirmation bias. You only believe what you want to believe based on certain facts supporting your theory. As evidenced by Shads first video.
First Draw with arrow on the right side and everyone goes:
SEE! See! It can't be done!
Clarke's first law: "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong." also applies to archery and archery instructors...
People using impossible: "Improbable? That's a word? Impossible!"
“They did not know it was impossible so they did it” - Mark Twain. By the way the rabbit at 29:49 holds his finger like you do. Either that is a smart rabbit or you are not as clever as you think you are :)
one must also remember, it was thought impossible for man to achieve the greatest power of all: Flight.
@OriginalTharios Except it is relevant, after all who is going to waste their time trying to do something that they already "know" to be impossible?
@@deathsheir2035 That's not the greatest power of all: That would be faster than light space travel. If I categorically say right now that is totally impossible then someone will do it for sure, and I shall be the one that caused it by saying it was impossible! Righty ho then. brace yourself....ready? Ok - It's impossible! There. Now it'll happen for sure.
Maybe one day we will discover a medieval archer trapped in amber in the process of nocking an arrow and settle the debate once and for all.
...because "Life will find a way" eh?^^
They will have damaged DNA and you have to combine it with french DNA causing them to eventually revolt and burn all your royalty to the ground.
@@avenderiel no they will just surrender
It is literally impossible to write with your left hand.
@Josh Lafoe you sure?
I have a right handed friend who does a neat party trick. He writes his first name with his left hand and his surname with his right hand SIMULTANEOUSLY. On top of that, both look as neat as if they were written with his right hand. Took him months to learn to do it, but he can do it consistently every time now.
@@Tryst46 nuh uh nuh it's uh, he's using camera tricks. I am of course kidding, that sounds really rad.
I’m left handed
Do you guys not get the satire. OP is making fun of peoples arguments.
Internet: "Impossible!"
Shad: "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."
eh, "Impossible" is just a UA-cam algorithm safe way of saying, "Shad will respond with 'Watch me' ", lol.
ua-cam.com/video/2uAIR6Gc7HM/v-deo.html
Clearly he is mocking the ignorant "archers" guy.... 🙄
U mean “inconceivable” right?
So "bakana" or "mazaka"?
Or maybe "implausible"?
@@Zarcondeegrissom This comment wins!
"One sure mark of a fool is to dismiss anything that falls outside his experience as being impossible."
-Farengar Secret-Fire
I pictured the cult guy from king of the hill
"Have you been to cloud district very often? Oh, what am i saying.. of course you don't"
-Nazeem the Great
"But you were once man! Aye! And as man, you said, 'Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter.' 'I breathe now, in royalty, and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you. Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us, in each of us, the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel! And there it is, friends! The ugly truth! We are the children of man! Talos is the true god of man! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit! The very idea is inconceivable to our Elven overlords! Sharing the heavens with us? With man? Ha! They can barely tolerate our presence on earth! Today, they take away your faith. But what of tomorrow? What then? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives? And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine!" -Heimskr
@Ishmam Masud - Cuz I Can i love you man. That would be a sight to behold
Absolutely right
I did "archery" about 11 years ago in school for two P.E. lessons. Having to work the arrow onto the left side bothered me so I for the two hours always fired from the right side without fail. As someone who never held a bow before hand, I was the fastest and most accurate in the class (teacher included). Now thats nothing special, but the idea that this couldn't be done astounds me.
I remember pe archery. We only did it once. I shot an arrow that flew sideways before hitting the ground and correcting itself to hit the target.
Only shot that went in too.
SAME!!
Exactly, I also did Archery in PE Class. We of course didn't use Longbow/Warbow, but used Composite Bows & I automatically used the 3 finger grip on the outside/right side of the Bow. The draw weight was about 40 pounds and though the rest of the class used 20-30 pound Bows, they had me use a 40 pounder because of being a bit larger/taller then most of the other students.
Anyway I was fairly accurate and consistently got within the near center ring and a couple bull's-eyes, what's more we only had the Archery thing for 2 weeks.
You practiced archery with what bows exactly? I find this hard to believe. Most beginner friendly bows will either be left or right handed centre shot bows. This means shooting from the opposite side is not possible.
@@morrigankasa570 a composite bow can be a warbow or a longbow...
Also you would not be shooting a 40lb bow just because you're taller than other students, lol. Poundage has nothing to do with your size. They don't give a bunch of amateurs/ total beginners 40lb bows. Also, beginner friendly bows are almost always centre shot right handed recurve bows. They're not going to make beginners shoot bare bows. So I doubt you could've shot from the right side at all.
............I shoot my 80 pound Mongolian style horse bow, on the "opposite" side of the bow, with a three under draw, with good accuracy. It most definitely can be done folks. It's called practice.
Exactly, I find it amazing that so many people claiming to be informed about archery simply ignore archers like yourself. This shouldn't be so unknown.
Something I hear from people in the military allot is 'if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid'
If it works, it works end of that.
Try doing that with 200 pound warbow tho...
Everything need practice. So does weird things that work. And if it works, it just works.
@@tedarcher9120 Make a response video?
My dad: "Every kid with a homemade bow in the country figured that out."
This was my thinking. We made our own bows and arrows, nobody showed us how to make a bow or how to shoot it. And this is how we shot the bow.
This is so true. I generally use a Mediterranean-grip, because I find it most natural. Doing LARP as a kid, I figured out that shooting from the right was faster and since rate of fire was essential I did that, and when the arrow kept falling off while drawing, I just lifted my thumb. Never thought anything off it, until I heard people arguing about whether or not it was possible to do. xS
that just goes to show how natural the right side method is.
@@leftistadvocate9718 That's exactly the point :)
Barring self-imposed limitations, it's natural to just put the arrow where it's easiest.
That's actually the main reason why I clicked this video. It's always been the way we did it on "the play ground." The three fingers with the arrow on the right was the first arrow I shot under instruction as well. My instructor clearly failed to mention the impossibility of it... Bit of an oversight on her part, i think.
Shad: *lifts his thumb*
The Entire Archery Community: "Wait, he can't do that. That's illegal. Is it...?"
@Ákos Dánffy place a * in front of the word and a * after and *voila* its fat
@Ákos Dánffy *t h i c c*
*Olympic archery community.
realy? *nice*
*YEET*
I couldn’t believe the butthurt after Lars released his main video showing archers firing from the outside if the bow. He literally had tonnes of footage of himself doing it plus ancient depictions of archers doing the same. I think he’s awesome.
Lars didn't discover anything. He was literally doing eastern style archery, which everyone knew about. Eastern style archery REQUIRES you to shoot on the right hand side. Med draw doesn't
lars is not a historical war archer though
@@g.mtorsten3564 and what is that? Its like trying to relearn long forggoten game of football but only doing free kicks, while in reality people do scissor kicks, dribles... etc
Good weather: on. New haircut: on. Gambeson: on. About to end some preschool type of drama in the Archery community: on. 👍
Future historian 1 : "Back in the day they used pedals to power their vehicles, the faster they pedaled, the faster the vehicle moved."
Future historian 2 : "That's not true they used one pedal to go faster, the other pedal to go slower."
Future historian 3 : "I have seen depictions of vehicles with 3 pedals !"
Future historians 1+2 : "The artist must have been drunk or something, 3 pedals make no sense".
to be fair 3 pedals are the minority early cars didnt have them and most post 2010 cars don't either.
@@kodaxmax in Europe over 90% of cars have 3 pedals.
@@eddgrs9193 yea like many cars here are stick shift, so one for break, one for acceleration, one to make the gears actually work
@@rivahoukes1554 I thought that stick is for the passenger to have something to hold on to...
I thought you were talking about bikes first and wondered what kind of freakish bike has 3 pedals.
can we all just appreciate how he stands in the australian heat with a full-blown gambeson while drawing a warbow, just to keep it historically accurate?
That ain't a warbow.
@@Drewsel it is a warbow. Bows only got into the 150lb range when armor was at it's peak and guns had to be introduced to go through .
The Mongols used 80lb bows and before them 70-75 was very common
@@Drewsel Did you not listen to the part where he had multiple other sources say anything above 75lb is a warbow? Or did you just choose to ignore that part? You could also use something called Google to find out the exact same information. So please before you comment some stupid shit double check on Google. Otherwise you'll look like an ass.
@@Drewsel it is, its over 70lbs. Thats enough to defeat most armor. You only need heavier draws if you're trying to kill a knight in full plate. 70lbs was overkill for use against most light to moderately armored infantry / cavalry. Humans have been 30-40lbs bows for countless ages to kill with terrifying effectiveness (the mongols conquered a huge chunk of the world with it).
Just cause he's out there shooting a video doesn't mean he can ignore the dropbear threat. One must be always aware. Hopefully the gambeson is sufficient.
“ITS IMPOSSIBLE!!!”
Shad: I’m gonna show you why they think that * accidentally proves them wrong when trying to show their point* oops, I’ve been practicing more
Instructor: "that's impossible! It just doesn't work!"
Shad: "I'm sorry, I'm new here; don't know all the rules yet."
@@Alresu mass effect. Nor sure which game; I think it was andromeda? Regardless, it's a little paraphrased.
@@Alresu no problem. 😁
Virgin archer: only shoots arrow on left tide with a 3 finger grip. Says it`s impossible to do it otherwise.
Shad archer: shoots what ever damn way he pleases and makes it work.
Congratulations, you are now a meme.
> Shad archer
Me: That's a typo lol ... wait...
@@arata35_ I mean, coating arrowtips in shit was common practice back in the day...
Brilliant!
🤣👍
@Anonymous Anonymous that'd be a nat 1 there
He looks energetic and in good health, that's good
This is certainly nice to see after his update video.
I got one of those CPAP machines to help me breath when I sleep. Total life changer! I'm happy Shad will experience better sleep!
Didn’t he say he stockpiled videos ready to post while he was in for surgery? This video might have been made at a later date
"You can't shoot on the right side!"
Samurai Archers and Kyudo players: *O B S E R V E*
Japanese have been doing it for hundreds of yrs. Also they use the thumb method with a glove or naked hand with a ring . It is just that losers validate themselves by criticizing others that upload videos.
I wasn't even allowed to shoot on the right side when I was went to a course with my dad (just an experience thing). When I was 7 and 8 I made bows with my friends and we always shot from the right side, it was the first thing that came up in us. So it felt very very unsattisfying to shoot on the left side on the course. That is why I don't want to waste my money on it, because I am not allowed to shoot the way I want to.
Lockdown Gaming 2k20 send them this video
@@lockdowngaming2k206 Same here. As a kid, I made my own bows and shoot them all the time on the right side. As an adult, I tried, as advised, to shoot on the left side. Felt super strange and had that strange feeling of not been connected to my target, if you get what I mean. Shooting on the right side, I strangely just felt, when I should release and hit the target. On the left side, I lost that ability. Anyhow, each on his/her own. Shoot anyway you like, and let others do the same. We shouldn't be even discussing this.
@@Kamabushi999 Mongols did same thing
And in this day, the "machicolations draw" was invented.
"machicolations!" is shad's battle cry
I don't know why but this made me laugh so hard. +1 for the "machicolations draw"
You have to form a Machicolation!!! With your thumb to draw the arrow
MACHICOLATIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!!!!!!!!
*MACHICOLATIOoooooooNS!!!*
You obviously cheated somehow, there must be some movie magic going on in this video, I mean, I read it in a youtube comment that it's literally impossible to shoot on the right side. Oh, I know, this video is probably mirrored, so you're actually holding the bow with your right hand, and drawing with your left, with the arrow actually on the left side. HA, you can't fool me that easily Shad!
No way. If he mirrored the video, all the words would be mirrored right-to-left, so his speech would be backwards! ... but he's in Australia, so maybe being upside-down cancelled it out. How would we ever know?
definitely chemtrails
@@PSUQDPICHQIEIWC He just had to memorize his lines backwards
These guys are killing me 🤣 the backward speech
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wait.....I've been shooting yew bows for years.
People shoot with the arrow on the left side? I've never done that once in my life.
I do the same method with my thumb.
Huh.....guess I've been shooting impossibly for over a decade lol
Same, but as a left handed archer. I always had the arrow on the outside... Having it on the inside just felt weird. I was self taught, so maybe that was the main factor?
same, i had no idea that people could hoot from the left side.
i self learned archery and its not hard to use your digits and not be a standing plank XD
I was just gonna comment that
"It is literally impossible to shoot on the right side..."
I was like, wait, do people shoot on the left?!
I am a noob at archery, but somehow I managed to shoot on the right side, and for some reason it worked better than the opposite...
@@Crim_Zen So that is the same as a right handed archer shooting from the left.
When I first started shooting when I was a kid, this is exactly the method I used for shooting. It just felt more natural to have the arrow on the right side of the bow. I remember my second archery instructor telling me I had to shoot with the arrow on the left (a week after I had just won a competition shooting with it on the right). I missed a dozen shots in a row because it was just different enough that I couldn't figure it out at first and then ignored the instructor and just kept firing as I had been before.
I know I'm a bit late, and I haven't been on the channel in a long while, but I just wanted to share my two-cents for any other late-comers.
I learned on a bow with a slot on the left, but didn't like my palm turned up, so I actually turned my hand over, thumb down, as it was easier to pull the heavier bow I was pulling. It engages larger muscles in the shoulder and back, same thing with the arrow on the right with a Mediterranean grip. It's also why you want your palms turned down when your punches impact. It takes stress off smaller weaker muscles in the shoulder.
Picked it up from my cousin, their family bow hunts, so it obviously works.
This is why eastern archery styled have some advantages. Shooting faster on the outside of the bow than it is on the left side. Considering accuracy is never gonna be perfect. Rather it just requires time, practice and consistency of arrows being let loose down range. Same with guns there's different guns and firearms each nation uses them differently. No matter what way you shoot, you just make sure it works.
In some Asian movies like war of the arrows or the great battle or other movies. You can see some little details of archers twisting their hand that's holding the bow which when shot the bow would be twisted to the left to have the string avoiding hitting the arm along side Lars showing in historical depictions of Asian archers shooting and moving the bow forward with the shot which is note "said to allow the arrow to be shot faster and more powerful"
I’m putting your name into Nobel
This is great example of what i call "the masters' limitation". Mastery implies perfection or completion of a craft. The idea that, because you have mastered a craft, then there is nowhere left to go with it, that youve arrived at the peak. This leads to a closed mindset, that, if presented with a new approach to your craft, you are likely to deem it inferior or ineffective, simply because it differs from what you know. That by mastering your craft, you have also mastered the "best" way of doing things.
It is often the duty of newer and more open minds to innovate and improve in ways that a master simply could not, due to their own pride and years of engrained concepts and methods.
I like the image of the Perennial Apprentice or Eternal Journeyman, anyway.
*cough* katana *cough*
@@Vaasref Yeah, what about katana's? Care to eloborate?
@@jacobyullman5005 NiPpOn StEeL probably
@@jacobyullman5005 The master crafted katanas have overblown qualities because of the craftsmanship.
I studied in a school dedicated to luxury side-by-side shotgun. The gunsmith at Holland and Holland are basically all from there for example.
The craftsmanship is indeed of quality but the technology is more than a hundred years old.
So yeah the fit and finish is pretty much the best you can do by hand. But even if we achieve give or take 10 micron with files, for the time it took us to craft a gun (count in weeks or months) with modern machinery you would have technically superior product.
Nowadays mastery don't imply perfection it implies imperfections. And you donc pay ten thousands of dollars for a perfect gun you pay it because you know it was handcrafted an took those month of craftsmanship to make.
And the same also work for katanas. Modern high-tech steel with precise tempering an modern forging techniques makes objectively better sword now.
So traditionally handcrafted katana no matter how nice they are are not superior to anything a little serious that can be done nowadays. No matter what delusional weeaboos think.
Shad you sound more energetic now :))))))
Godspeed mate.
Going on the moon - check;
Shooting a stick with another stick and a string on the right side - we need to keep thinking...
Communicating across the world at the speed of light: check
Making a stick go fast different than papa showed me: Ooh idk doesn't seem possible.
John Jordan r/wooosh? Is this satire?
@@Surteronarto WOW, i really hope you actually don't think that
@@Surteronarto Finally someone has opened their third eye. You don't believe the lies my brother.
👆👆👆👆👆👆👆🖕👆👆👆👆🖕👆👆👆
Pathetic life form
It's likely this myth began by instructors, not wanting to waste time, taught folk to shoot from the adverse side of the bow to prevent beginners getting frustrated with the arrow falling off all the time. Rather than waste more time explaining why, they just say "It's not possible" and left it at that. Basically, the same fundamentals as the myth of cracking your fingers causes arthritis. Folk just didn't like the sound of it, so came up with some lies to try to stop people doing it.
Someone should tell this guy warp drive is impossible.
Mr. Alcubierre already tortured Einstien's formula until it gave up said "OK, I guess you can"
it's easy, you just lift the thumb of the starship
FTL flight might be impossible with our 'current' level of technology, but who knows what will be possible in 50-300 years of development.
The fact that anything exists is evidence that anything is possible, because existence itself is possible despite being a paradox.
In case you didn't know that has already been done too . The United states has a fully operational space fleet. President Trump announced the addition of the space force to the us military . In the mid 90s a computer systems administrator named Gary McKinnon hacked NASA in doing so found indisputable evidence of a fully operational space fleet with ship names starting with USSS for United states star ship along with rosters of nonterrestial officers . The US tried for 12 years to force the British government to hand over Gary McKinnon to face charges in the us .
"after my first failed attempt, I just had to think the tiniest amount..." I think you hit the nail on the head there Shad.
so glad that this video answered one of the more pressing questions I had, which was "What about dragons?"
Now hold a moment what about elves? Especially the teleri in this case being known for their nautical skills and famous ships and longbows and all that
I met a real, live, fire-breathing, dragon. We're divorced now.
@@daenor7807 But king Thingol never got to see the blessed realm 😔 but got to marry a fricken Mair named Melian 😃😃😃
@@diggs5518 Was his name Ancaligan the black ?
@@alexandercarder2281 yes that is correct, and started the kingdom of doriath
And I believe it’s spells maiar with two a
The "Shaditerranean Draw"! Great video, loved it, thank you for making this.
Achieving the "impossible" is often a rather simple thing after it's done.
...365! And senpai noticed me?
@Sightless_Seeker
Yep. I never say something is impossible.
I sometimes just say "I can't do it" or "I did not learn how to do it" or "I don't know".
@ there is indeed "impossible"
Try breathing unassisted on the moon, or dance on the sun, or free diving a mile under the sea.
Many great inventions were done by people who didn't know that "it is not possible".
Say what you want, but kiwis on pineapples are impossible
@@DH-xw6jp Yeaaa, people thought that about flying, too. Then came the wright brothers. Same with breathing on the moon. Now we have space suits. Its only a question of time until we develop artificial atmospheres, which enables us to breathe on the moon. I mean, I get your point, but humanity is the one race on this planet that is able to use tools to do whatever they want.
It's interesting to hear that. I actually started shooting when I was 11 years old, and I was shooting exactly like that, for no reason other than I had no idea what I was doing. No one taught me, I just grabbed the bow and figured this must be the way you do it. I did struggle a lot at first with my arrows twisting away from the bow, but got used to it after an hour... by using my thumb to cradle it exactly like you do.
A few years later, I was taught by someone to shoot the "proper" way, but it felt less natural to me and I couldn't get used to it. That's the reason why I started shooting horsebows instead and branched into thumb release and Asian styles of archery. I just wanted to shoot on the God damn right side without being told that every single motion I perform evokes a blasphemous ceremony.
Mind you, 75% of people who see me shoot thumb release still look at me like I'm the Antichrist anyway, so what does it matter eh :P
Shooting a bow is just like driving. Either you do it on the right side, or you are a savage. :P
@@Gnarlf of the road or which side of the car.
Example
Drivers seat is on right hand side of car.
You are still in a Drive on the Left hand side of the road area.
@@wickederebus If you have to ask, then .... :P
Let's just say, you can drive on the right side of the road or on the wrong side of the road. ;)
And on a side note. It is just a joke. I even checked how it is in Austraila before i wrote the comment, but decided to do it anyway. So no hard feelings.
🤣🤣🤣 So happy there are people like me on here.. I don’t know why shooting on the right side with thumb release is so offensive to “traditional western archery”
@pyropulse well said
The problem is people are taught one way to do something and are almost entirely unwilling to allow for other thoughts and ideas to be explored or expressed.
You summed up politics in a nutshell.
I can't write for shit with my left hand. Left-handed writing is impossible!
Or they get shown a flimsy evidence and they believe it without verifying its substance.
Yes this is a huge problem with human nature. We hate to be wrong.
At work i had a "perfect" way to fold the paper, so in the end all the resulting carts would be in the right order, with no garbage attatched.
I was faster and more efficient than my collegues. Than a collegue from an other part of the company came and just said: "Yeah, i know that, but why do you do it for each sheet seperately?"
First i thought: "what an idiot. The order would be wrong then", but i gave it a try and after a shourt time, i found the obvious trick and then thought "what a fool was I?
So we should all try to remember.
- Being wrong is nothing to be ashamed about
- refusing to improve and staying wrong however is.
... and then the boss shows up and catches you doing something that demonstrably increases efficiency and reduces the risk of error, and you get written up because it's contrary to the vague and internally contradictory procedure that was dictated by someone who has never performed the task -- namely the boss himself.
Meanwhile somewhere in medieval Europe:
Shooting arrows on the left side!? Get a grip you dunce
I didn’t even know there was this debate going on lol. I loved bows as a kid and this is the way I taught myself since no one else taught me. Putting the arrow like you showed on the right side felt like the only natural way to me.
Exactly this. When I was a kid, like 35 years ago, I used my homemade bows just like that. No internet to teach you, it just looked the natural way.
same! it felt easiest
Me too ,only it was 60 + years
Same
@@valrond same here about 25 years ago
There are SO MANY "couch generals" on the internet with extremely strong opinions on just about _everything._ Many of wich have never even done the thing they're preaching about!
I've seen videos about *_baking bread_* and in the comments there are hundreds of people, arguing passionately, that it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to bake bread with *salt* in, simply cant be done!! Despite the fact that the baker with 30 years experience has always used salt, and that 99% of loafs on this planet, throughout our history, has had salt in it!!!!!
Im exaggerating a bit.. but.. yes..
Mr BigCookie in primary school I remember baking bread and we had to use salt I put a shit ton in my friends bread that he took home to his mum I was about 8 at this time I’m now 44
well they are also both right, if you put salt into the water before yest then there is a risk that you kill off the yest. Or the yest wont make it rise as much. But it is simply a matter of when you put in the salt, not that you cant put in salt. So usually you have 30-32 degree hot water, you put in the yest, and activate it, then you add salt to the water, or you put salt into the dry engridients, and risk a bit uneven saltning, but the bread will rise more. But ofc. you can have salt in bread. just be careful on how you apply it. as not all yest like salted water.
Did someone really and seriously claim that it is impossible to bake bread with salt in it? I find that hard to believe. I wouldn't go as far as to say that it is IMPOSSIBLE that someone honestly claimed that it is impossible to bake bread with salt, but it's IMPROBABLE. ;)
i was allways thought it was hard to make bread without salt and the time i did it school we added salt (the teacher said it was necessary)
we did the salt together with the dry ingridients
@ I'm honestly more surprised that the (possible) reasoning behind it is that using salt would kill off the yeast. Is their some sort of bread cult out there which forbids using literally any raising agent other than yeast for baking bread? I've made aproximately 5 things of bread (I can't spell lofe. Lophe? Sorry). Exactly one of them used yeast. Precisely all of them had salt in the recipe. Exactly none of them had salt in them, because I don't bake using salt, Just because. All of them were lovely.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
@Sightless_Seeker Well no it means only a sith deals in absolutes. Key word being deal. Meaning sith deal out ultimatums. Saying only something is something is not dealing in absolutes
So... mathematicians use the dark side. I knew it!
@Sightless_Seeker But he is not dealing in absoluted he is just making an absolute statement. There is a difference. Anakin deals in absolutes for example "You are either with me or youre my enemy" this is dealing in absolutes
Nope zero also deals in absolute and so is Vodka...
@Sightless_Seeker
Exactly. Jedi sophistry.
So-called Archery Experts: "I've believed this for years, and I've never tried it myself, so it has to be true."
Might as well have someone say, "I've never made pottery, so it has to be impossible."
I shot that way for 4 years, as a self taught archer from the age of seven, to 11, until I was "corrected" in Boy scouts, I'm proficient either way. I never thought it was something that was under question. this was a great video.
Same
Yeah, this was the way I learned to shoot, never thought people had issues doing it that way!
Firmly taught opinions!
Then idiot operators vs natural phenoms.
Idiots can’t get anything to work. Everything works for phenoms
Nothing impossible. Some bad techniques out there.
Your video is difinitive and correct.
I shoot thumb on the right, works awesome, feels great and is fast.
It looks like our historians aren’t good at verifying our information, surprisingly!
Shoot how you can, I can shoot squirrels right side with thumb.
Feel bad every time I hit one! Poor little bastards!!
Im in boy scouts in America they are no won to talk about archer leave them to rifles
Okay, maybe you can draw an arrow on the right. But it's absolutely impossible to draw a sword from your back.
rapturedmourning Unless you have the right scabbard
It's even more impossible sheathing it
Hold my beer
@@Kealen69 okay, but imma take a sip.
Did you not watch that video he already made about this?
Mate, looks like you've dropped some weight since the surgery! If not, you're still looking much healthier. So good to see! Being new to historic archery (my experience being predominantly compound bows), I really do love these videos explaining reasons, definitions, and mechanics of long bows.
So glad this experiment happened, especially since I've been doing this for three decades and doing archery for four and a half.
By that logic no one should have tried sailing west of Europe since it was likely "too dangerous, and impossible." And not even worth trying.....oh wait
Believe me, we still regret that decision to this day...
If the Americas hadn't been there, Columbus would have run out of provisions _long_ before he reached Asia though.
MNK 90 nah. I like living here
@@WJS774 Well, not according to the maps at the time, I guess we can give the guilt to Toscanelli.
@@germanss4311 Columbus _also_ thought the globe was significantly smaller than it really is. That's why so many rulers refused to fund his expedition, they didn't know the maps were bad but they _did_ know that he wouldn't be reaching Asia, even if the maps of the day were accurate.
To be fair and honest with myself, I too was one of those who would argue that the "correct" side to place the arrow was on the left side. But after watching this video I now have a different opinion which I believe is better informed. I think it is now very likely that the arrow was placed on either side of the bow.
You sir are a very reasonable person and thank you for being open to hearing a counter argument.
Shadiversity Thanks, Shad. I think it's really clear that the arrow was shot from the right side as the rabbit in the picture 29:50 shows your cradling technique with the thumb. Hello from Utah. I really enjoyed your video on the Sword of Laban.
Love the honestly all the rest watched the video and didn’t say shit after the headaches they’ve been causing us righties.
Critics: "Shad, Shad, Shad. People in the middle ages didn't have thumbs."🤣
True. If they did have thumbs they would have played a lot more video games, and had smart phones. Duh!
@@ericstoverink6579 so, PC gamers have existed since medieval times
Wanted to say, THANK YOU!!!
And, these first two videos actually stirred memories of my first bow (8yrs old, I was). I am 68yrs and regaining interest in archery...anyway, my first bow, I bagan and always with that bow, knocked on the right side. I am "cross" eyed. My left eye is dominant, but I am right-handed.
Thanks, again. Love your videos!
Brian Deis
*Shad draws a bow with arrow on right side*
Shad: "I achieved impossible!"
*Ahrek makes Daylen laugh*
Ahrek: "I achieved impossible!"
Nice.
Hey, I got that reference.
Im so hyped for the next book
SHAD WHEN IS THE NEXT BOOK COMING OUT I NEED MORE EVERFALL
Even the artwork at 27:53 shows the raised thumb technique. That would be an unnecessary detail if it were just all a make believe depiction of archery. The character shooting the bow may be make believe, but the technique wouldn't necessarily be. For example in art that depicts dogs playing poker, doesn't mean the game of poker or the cards in the art can't be real because the human like dogs are the ones playing it
Given the popularity of longbow in England, it's quite possible that the artists may well have been archers as well. If so they would have been depicting how they used their bows.
I did wonder why people forgot that many artists might also have personal experience with archery.
By no means ubiquitous, but certainly many of them would.
Also, an artist would be commissioned on their artistic abilities, which would include accuracy. You wouldn't pay for a depiction that was clearly inaccurate, as it would be critiqued by your contemporaries.
Thank you. So many Hours of research into a subject and pouring your heart into a piece, only for some random person to try and find flaws in your work. Its never anything serious, but it does get annoying from time to time
Yeh its a bit weird how people seem to think that an artist from medieval England of all places wouldn't have personnel experience with archery.
Especially artists in the Renaissance, where the artists took extreme efforts to represent the world as realistically as they could.
I was trying to think of a modern comparison. Imagine every photo of a person aiming a rifle. They're all holding that rifle broadly the same, except for the most amateurish. Even armatures understand that one hand holds the pistol grip, while the supporting hand holds the fore grip. We all know this, regardless of our experience with firearms.
Therefore even a staged photo will depict a shooter with a basic degree of accuracy.
It's only logical, that somebody would want to be as accurate as possible, back then as is now.
All that has changed is the weapons and artistic medium.
"Well... I've apparently been doing the impossible my entire life."- A filthy country peasant who taught himself how to shoot a bow
Aristocratic internet archer: „NO you dirty pleb, the arrow has to be put on the left side!“
Filthy historical person: „Haha shooting arrows faster goes brrrrr“
Well I am left handed but I apply the same method that Shad has in this video, just doing the mirror because I hold my bow in my Right hand
@@whitehorsemilitia left handed people don't exist.
Lars Anderson, also known as
The player that has Dexterity 20, Archery feats, Aim Spells, +1 Gloves, and a magic eye.
Basically, a minmaxer.
@Sightless_Seeker thats why you beef up your luck just enough to make yourself hard to hit.
@Sightless_Seeker I mean archery feats allow you to straight up shoot at point blank
and a 12 lb draw weight bow, try that with a 120lb bow. war bows start at 120lb based on the lightest bows from the Mary Rose bows (at the END of the long bow period).
@@Molloy244 His bows are 30-50 lb, not 12. And yes, 120lb was the minimum when you had to compete with GUNS. But for most of the medieval period, 70+ was perfectly adequate. you wouldn't go *quite* Lars fast with a 70 lb bow, sure, but faster then people think. Mongols certainly could and they where using 80+ pound horse-bows.
Wasn't this the guy who was getting a lot of grief a few years back, because of "rediscovered lost archery method" claim, which was really just him speed-shooting with an obscenely low draw-weight bow and only rolling with the takes that worked; none of which is practical for combat or hunting?
Obviously means he's got Rogue levels instead of Ranger...
From one of my favorite professors when I went to uni.
Beginners make simple mistakes, while experts go on to grand fallacy.
non-believers: It's impossible to draw the bow on the right side
Shadiversity: I'm about to do whats called a pro gamer move *flips up thumb*
me: oh yeah, its big brain time
hundreds of pseudo-experts destroyed by this single trick. ARCHERS HATE HIM!
In the Stormlight Archives, there was this story told by the sword master who taught how to use shards to one of the character (forgot the name). Anyway the swordmaster related how his master (? i cant remember if it was a hypo or actual story) tied his belt three times in his waist. This tying of belt three times was learned from the master's older master. They dont really know what the function of tying the belt that way, its just that "its tradition" and it's "always done that way". They never knew why. Finally the 2nd master met his old master, and he finally asked "Why do I have to tie my belt three times?" Turned out, the old master was short in stature. As such tying his belt the normal way hinders his movement because its too long. So he had taken to tying his belt three times to shorten it. It did not serve any purpose other than that and it was very specific to him.
I actually did not know Lars Andersen was from Denmark, but as soon as I heard that accent I knew. God I love my country even more now
The last name gives it away for me
Weird reason to be invested by patriotic and nationalist sentiments, but ok.
Seen him live... Its utterly amazing...
@@S.Grenier Yeah,
I am Nationalist, in the sense that I want what is best for my country and hate Globalism,
but I don't take pride in others' achievements, especially if they have no tangible or spiritual benefit for the nation.
Andersen is definitely an accomplished and talented individual, but how does that benefit Denmark or increase the country in stature
why not call it the
mediterranean cradle
Egypt grip.
Shad style
I am in no way, shape, or form an archer: my only experience with archery comes from the occasional dabble on CCF summer camps. Nonetheless, I have always shot on the right side of the bow, because to me it just felt more natural. While I struggled with the "drifting" arrow at first, it took a grand total of 10-15 attempts to fix this. Therefore, I join you in your incredulity; if I, a complete novice, could come up with this solution, how were professional archers saying it was impossible? Instead of this so called "impossible" issue, the problem I encountered was really very simple: the arrows I was given were way too short for my draw length (I think that's what it's called anyway) so I, a six foot bloke with arms so long I look like an orangutan, was really struggling. As always, a great and informative video, so thank you.
Sometimes expertise clouds ones judgement to alternatives
@@TechnoMinarchist agreed: some of the professionals can't see the forest for the trees.
Fam I have been doing this my whole life. I did not know you did it on the left side.
Patrick Jarvis ironically it could be precisely because they’re professionals. On Mythbusters once they were testing if it was possible to swim in treacle and when they looked at the data they collected they were surprised to find that the times clocked by Adam Savage were more consistent than those of an Olympic swimmer and realised it was because the different medium was throwing off the pro’s technique. Maybe something similar is happening here with the professional archers being so ingrained in shooting on the left that they are thrown out more than a novice is, and the muscle memory they’ve built up over years of shooting that way make it harder for them to figure out how to compensate.
When I was a kid me and my brother made a crappy home made bow and shot a blunt stick through the garden wood panel fence. Right side, thumb up and mom was not happy. Actually this was maybe our 5th or 6th attempt at making a bow, but right side thumb up was just how we assumed archery was done since it felt like the most natural way to do it.
I remember about 3 or 4 years ago the UA-cam archery community was attacking Lars saying he was a fraud, his historical references were lies, he was not a good archer! I know for some shots he uses specially designed arrows for speed shooting, BUT WHO CARES! He is god like with the bow and makes it look amazing AND he was using real historical references. I remember at the time calling some of his critics jealous and wow did they get salty 😂 All it took was Shad and Thrand to look at it with open minds and look at the results
Well I did find his claims that "historical archery wouldn´t use quivers because what if you needed to roll over" and "archers needed to go for speed first and foremost because they needed to be able to shoot while running away from the enemy" etc. really dumb, generally speaking. Sure, there is some truth to them, but guess what, from the classical era onwards (and likely even longer than that) archers would be fighting en masse in ranks and formations, not doing battle royale shit across local forests each on their own lol. But yeah, I also never understood the hate he was getting. He clearly is a crazy good archer.
(Sorry for misquoting him, been some years since I watched the video, but the essence of his claims is there I believe.)
Dude, if you are refering to what I am remembering, Lars claimed to have "reinvented" a long lost archery style. No, he is a "performance archer" don't like the term "trick archery" since it implies there is something fake going on. No, what Lars does is 100% genuine, but it's meant for performance and spectacle. Honestly, it is like a knights parade armour: you can wear it like armour but it is designed to perform, to look good, and to impress, but that's it.
@@hashaborgonja Surely his accuracy skills would translate to shooting warbows just as well.
@@hashaborgonja That's what I've always said too. Years ago came out a very nice video in response to his pretense to having discovered the only, true, universally, historically accurate style, and it was brilliant how it explained that archery is not based on a universal technique but is about what works. His trial to make it seem differently has always looked selfish and ridiculous to me.
I think he's a great archer too but not to be confused with a bowmen. European war archers were not elite warriors, they were cheap, effective units strong with numbers. About the technique, one can do whatever he prefers as long as it works, but there is no debate about historical accuracy since we know what technique was actually used with this type of bows in that period, and that would be mediterranean grip and arrow on the knuckle. There is no historical evidence that it was done differently, since drawings were normally done by people who knew little about archery.
@@m1santhropist410 I know the video you're talking about.
I just love how excited Shad becomes everytime he is learning something new.
Shabbard moment
Well sir, either you are hiding it well, or the procedure is achieving the desired results- always good to see you enthusiastic and demonstrating.
Blessings good sir!
I love this channel because it shows the difference between purely academic knowledge vs. practical knowledge.
“Shooting on the right side is impossible!” *lifts thumb* “NANI?!”
when i was a child in summer camp, we would shoot fiberglass bows. Since no one gave us any instruction, I would simply load the bow on the right and use (intuitively) a Mediterranean grip. When I drew the string, the arow would drift from the bow. My solution was to use my thumb just as Shad did in the above video.
If a 10yo kid with no experience in archery could figure this out, I'd be shocked if medieval archers hadn't
I did the same with bows I made myself from bush branches!
@@SonsOfLorgar Same, as I posted on the previous vid.
i literally has the same thought when i started the video
I was going to post a comment on this video, but it's a good thing I had the presence of mind to check first to see if anyone had _already posted exactly the same comment!_
Yes! Summer camp! 10yo! Minimal instruction, right-handed, Med grip, loading on the right (because it's easier), thumb!
I'm glad I'm not the only one, I felt like an idiot because I've been drawing on the right my entire life
I legitimately thought the song was gonna be “I Need a Hero” but I was so excited it was “Montage”!! One of the greatest parody songs ever! Love it. And of course all of the archery but that genuinely made my day
"Yes, we kill many people, when we play"
The Danes... gotta love them.
It's as if a thousand doubters cried out... And were silenced.
I have a saying that I have come to, over years of Martial arts training in multiple disciplines. What I say is "every technique works but not every technique works 100% of the time." This means that in a duel or in sparring there are things that are improbable but effective. This happens usually with a new student fighting a more experienced student. I have seen techniques used by new students that have taken other students years to master. Inadvertently through instinct techniques are used to win fights. This phenomenon happens even today in sparring matches at an astonishing rate, now take thousands of years and visualize how many variations of the same technique can arise. Just because it is not written on paper does not mean that it never existed. That is why I try to never speak in absolutes. I firmly believe that experimentation is not only an important part of martial arts it is in fact integral to martial arts.
To quote Murphy's Law: "Professionals are predictable. It is the amateurs that are dangerous."
If you don't know what you're doing, the enemy sure can't predict it. And when you approach something without bias or "knowledge" of it you can generally get a more true-to-life learning experience from it. Beginners approach problems in new and unfamiliar ways.
@@matchesburn well said.
@@matchesburn i though it was everything that can go wrong will go wrong
@@justarandomtechpriest1578
There's like a hundred Murphy's Laws, dude. Google it, you'll find a huge list of them. It's like the "Rules of Acquisition" that Ferengis in Star Trek had. Or the "The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries" in Schlock Mercenary.
🙄
If Lars Andersen was a d&d character, he would be over level 30.
God damn it, he's aim is godlike!
He would be the NPC party member that never dies and kills bosses for you
Nah he’s hacking he has aimbot enabled
na, hed be the guy who shoots 1000 arrows but with low damage.
@sagerette he cant, not strong enough to make it suitable for war anyways. though if he slowed down he likely could, but then the rate at which he looses arrows would go down.
Would anyone here like to get shot by a 30 pound bow if your not in much armor? How about a 50? or a 60? Throughout most of history 130+ english longbows were not needed to wound/incapacitate the Majority of enemy troops, the english longbow is not the minimum standard for a bow suitable for war; it depends upon the context.
I’m learning archery for next deer season. All my buds say no that’s not how you do it. I release hit center mass of vitals and smile and say “deer down.” You preach it brother.
the most unbelievable thing in this video was the idea that dragons might not be real
I don't understand how people can just say it's impossible when they probably have never even shot a bow and never even tried it and just take it at face value.
@@cupsnlantern Yeah I know. It was more of a rhetorical question :)
@@BlackHawk264 To be honest there is notable number of actual experts who simply refuse to acknowledge that. It is because they themselves can't or used to different techniques so much that they pride prevent them from admitting the truth. In real life you should always pick technique what fit you most. The end.
@@TheRezro True
Its the same as saying you dont undestand it, its both bullshit. You know how and you know why.
How are you, man? Hoping everything is fine. At least, you're not very pale on this video :)
That sped up montage gives me the reassuring that the surgery went well.
See for yourself 41:43
@@digivagrant he's red with anger talking about how his method is impossible
This has almost certainly been thought of before... But on my bows at least, there is visible wear on the left hand side where the arrow has passed repeatiidly over time. I wonder if there is similar wear, but on the oppisite side of the brilliantly preserved Mary Rose longbows. Or any other preserved ancient bows if there are any?
@Zwenk Wiel He specifically mentioned the ones found on the Mary Rose. I am sure others may have been preserved too.
I love how you take fantasy or seemingly wrong things, apply logic and some experimental archaeology and show evidence that some things aren't as stupid as they might seem, be it classic barbarian armour, a back scabbard, spinning in combat and now arrows on the right.
Yes, it is very enjoyable to see the good things that can be accomplished with the application of logic and experiment.
When I was a kid, this is exactly how my dad taught me to fire a bow. Three fingers, arrow on the thumb, thumb up to cradle it. Then, when I was older, and discovered that's allegedly not the way to do it, I was quite a bit surprised. This seems to me the most obvious way to do it.
Same here. I didn’t realize this argument was even a thing til....well, about 5 minutes ago. Lol
Well dumb delusional people. That's why
"We can't just assume that because something is old it is right." - Dalinar, Stormlight archive
Odiums Pariah, it’s amazing to see someone referencing some of Brandon Sanderson books, there criminality underrated. I’ve personally read them all, including the wheel of time, a series he was tasked with finishing when the previous author died.
@@drdoofus3173 I don't know about underrated, I would say tgthe is due is the genre ghetto
@@drdoofus3173 Have you seen Shad's video where he talks with Brandon Sanderson and reveals that Shad is going to be a historical adviser for the stormlight archive going forward?
Wow, I'm reading Oathbringer right now lol.
@@eewweeppkk What hecking video is this?
I started shooting when I was super young I’ve always done it on the right with the Mediterranean draw and it took me like two draws to get it constantly staying against the shaft did it that way for years I used the same solution really easy to use when you’re used to it. Enjoyed the video, never knew people thought this was impossible.
Randos: It's IMPOSSIBLE!!
Me (after doing it for 2 years): Where's my letter to Hogwarts?
Btw Shad, you don't need to raise your whole thumb then drop it. Just bend the finger tip down then push the middle part a little upwards, you don't even need to put it down again to shoot.
yup, this is how I was taught to shoot almost 40 years ago, in Norway.
But it's more respectful to your target to give it the full thumbs up.
@@darkblade24601 LOL!
Might be a bit off topic here, but I'm really loving the outfit you're wearing here. Love the combination of your shirt (especially yhe colour) and the sleeveless gambeson.
My marveling at the outfit was actually pretty distracting at watching the video for the first few minutes.
I am not even joking. I had to stop the video to get my brain finish processing the outfit because it refused to focus on the topic.
I have found only one flaw in it: no crest. This would be perfect for a retainer but the lord Shad himself should have his full heraldry at display so all the peasents know they are in the present of the lord of medieval neckbeards.
@@Errtuabyss Must say, I do think his outfit would benefit from having his crest pinned (or crested) on his gambeson. Heck! I'm only noticing now that even the colours match!
@IngLouisSchreurs it safe to say there will be a video of his outfit too :D
You are an exemplary educator...
The world is brighter because of folk just like you.
Long live shadiversity
I have been shooting bows my whole life, both compound and traditional. A few years ago I saw Lars Anderson's videos and that inspired me. As I have been making my own archery equipment for a few years, I made up a left-handed bow and started practicing. I also use a Mediterranean grip. There definitely was a learning curve but not too extreme. I have used this equipment and style to hunt small animals and have found this method more instinctive. So far I have only used this bow for pest control, ie. raccoons, possums, skunks, etc. Even though this method that is new to me. I found the whole process of loading, aiming and firing, to be much easier in low light conditions and while on the move.
I am just starting down this road and am excited for all the possibilities.
Great video! We need more of this in the archery community. God Bless, and happy Hunting!
I bet there will be someone trying to explain your findings away with you being south of the equaitor and some bullshit about the earths rotation
lol...yeah its cause he is upside down! Thanks for laugh.
Come on we all know the disc does not rotatet. Its the universe
Are you dumb? He's in the bottom sector of the flat Earth map, which makes his left and right flipped, hence it is FACTUAL that it is 100% impossible to shoot an arrow effectively on the right, and I'm 100% FACTUALLY true, because I said so!!!!! Duhh
Actually according so some flat earth theorists....Australia does not exist. So Shad (according to them) is an actor employed to trick the masses into believing a falsehood. Therefore....everything Shad says cannot be believed because he is merely a figment of someones imagination. Youre welcome.
@@moronnucleosus3339 no no, you are misunderstanding the premise behind flat-traction which causes the flat Earth to levitate in space time, the whole idea is that this force stops working towards the edges of the world (hence any ship that crosses the border of the earth falls in an infinite waterfall)... So this means that since he's in Australia, which is significantly closer the Earth's border than most countries, his right and left are instantly entangled in a non-geometric machicolationative axis compiler which means that any and all testing in Australia is MEANINGLESS.
And any and all other "quoted archers" are paid actors. And shots pulled of by them are CGI
*Legend has it*
Shad is still -Cradle Drawing- *Shadi-Drawing* that Bow to this day
I have never progressed beyond casual archer, but I have been a student of medieval history for most of my 52 years. I have seen many artistic depictions of archers with the arrow on both right and left sides of the bow, and honestly, as a combat vet, I know for certain that there are several ways for people to perform the exact same operation. it is not logical to say that one way or another was the ONLY way to do it, or that no one in history shot from the right. Anyone that still doubts your assertion that both ways are valid, and historically accurate is just dug in to their original opinion, and not willing to see facts presented to them. I really appreciate the time you spend researching things before making your videos. accuracy is important to me, and I enjoy the way you present the facts with some interesting banter. I spend a lot of time combating the hollywierd depictions of " historical" reality. it is good to see I am not alone in wanting to enjoy fantacy, without confusing it with accurate histories.
Shad: Reads
Worlds: *DARKNESS*
i tend to think as he starts reading from the paper, the paper starts absorbing energy from the light around him just like his book
The camera is focused at the center. Putting the paper in the center makes the camera see something that reflects a lot of light, so it thinks the environment is a lot brighter than it is and adjusts itself to absorb less light.
@@invenblocker don't try to use your technicisms with us, we all know it's dark magic
@@EneaG The camera is a vampire and the bright white paper reflect sunlight into its eyes darkening its vision.
I've been following this with some curiosity, as its how I've learned shooting with a longbow. I've been a member of a German re-enactment group of archers for a few years. They make their own bows and arrows (and other weaponry and clothing), and well, without exception shoot with the arrow on the right side. Its faster indeed.
1:45 "He is a phenomenal archery"
Lars Anderson have now officially ascended from being a mere archer into archery itself!
Shad
Just like to say thanks for the video
I'm a acher and I make a few bows for the last 28 years
I had the same conversation with so called experts when I was being taught to shoot
And they could never give me practical evidence to help me with problems as I shoot left handed opposite to most
What I did learn is that most people who do archery are in general void of their own knowledge expert in knowing very little about the subject they are trying to teach which is the dangerous part
I'm now fifty years old
Your video made so much sense to me in a practical way
I also like to point out that ishi a picture of him in Jim hamm book shows shooting the bow the same way as you discribe
Regards Darren
keep up the good work
Be great to talk to you one day
I find it odd, considering that archery practice was compulsory in England since at least the 1200s (and likely earlier (and not officially repealed until as late at the mid 1800s, although the practice had fallen into disuse long before then)...but people still assume the artistsof that period didn't understand archery. They must have known at least the basics...and anyone is going to be more accurate when depicting a topic that they are familiar with.
EDIT: And within 2 minutes, you basically say the same thing. One day, I'll learn to watch the entire video before commenting. Maybe. LOL
I'm wondering why it's a thing to comment before watching any ounce of video. It happens across most, if not all, of YT videos. Like, do people think a video is a conversation in which they can talk to the person in the video in real time? This behavior really, really baffles me.
@Epheros Aldor Because unless you take notes as you go, it's too easy to lose your train of thought as the video continues - often to another, separate point, or even off on a tangent to the initial theme. This makes it much harder to keep track of one's train of thought and how to communicate it effectively. Keeping track isn't much of a problem if you're into videos of 5 minutes or less, but it's really not _that_ hard to understand the process if you're accustomed to watching - and absorbing - relatively long videos.
Of course, one could be disingenuous, deleting the initial post and pretending it never happened - but I don't that have much dishonesty in me.
@@aussiebloke609 I never thought of it that way, I can see how that makes sense. I've opened up a new comment on a couple video to annotate a thought for a moment as I finish watching the video then go back and write something afterwards. I just never hit the send on those incomplete thoughts. But, yeah, I can see how that can happen now - though it still baffles me that people will still actually comment without taking in the whole video. Thanks!
@Epheros Aldor I've done that also. But sometimes, I hit the enter key automatically...and sometimes, when I don't, youtube decides it has to reload the video, and I lose everything I've already written. At least this way, I don't lose anything - at the cost of having to occasionally admit that he covered the same thought I had. Small price to pay, and all that. :-D
yeh, the dumb argument could be applied to anything. How can we trust any paintings of castles if they arn't drawn by an engineer /s
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes" seems to apply well to history as well.
....a statement which was itself an "absolute."
@@gunraptor The statement is about how Siths DEAL in absolutes. It doesn't matter if the statement itself is an "absolute" or not....
@@leooh29 But anyone who says the statement would then be a sith. So it does matter.
"Do or do not, there is not try."
By the Force... Yoda is a Sith!
There were absolutely no sith in history!
Almost anyone else would have a clickbait title somethin' like this: I did the impossible with the best archer in the world! BUT our good buddy Shad is over here with a long informative video, with no useless extensions or pauses, good title and a decent (I would've done it differently) thumbnail. Awesome. *Insert keep up the good work cliche here* We love you Shad!
I was taught to load to the outside (left-eyed in my case -- it's your dominant eye that really matters, and that can be switched from your usual handedness), from a family tradition going back to actual medieval archer-woodsmen.
This is partly because we expect to be able to hold another arrow in our string-hand in the crook of the thumb, to be able to reload quickly for a second shot (with extra arrows in the ground if possible to snatch up immediately without groping at a quiver). You loose arrow #1, then flick arrow #2 up with your ring-finger to catch with your bow-hand thumb, knock & re-draw. With practice, #2 arrow is loosed a second or two after #1.
Drawing to the outside also allows you to sight directly down the arrow while maintaining a clear view to the loading side, while you can still keep the other eye open to have a full field of vision to the other side. Modern cross-loaders tend to aim with only 1 eye open, or they are shooting cross-eyed aiming with the bow instead of the arrow, which is a disaster waiting to happen if you are in rough terrain or woods potentially shooting on the move.
Speaking of disaster, what if something does go wrong and your bow or arm gets bumped or whatever and the arrow comes loose as you release? Or if the arrow shaft just fails on release? If you are cross-drawing, you now have an arrow stuck between you and your bow, potentially shattering into your gut or face. If you are outside-drawing, all it can do is fall off to the side and skip off harmlessly away from you. Maybe you get swiped by a fletching on the way out, but you don't get porcupined.
Anyway, the trick to not having the arrow flop loose is to start the draw with your hand open almost flat (i.e. a slightly curved spear-hand), pinching the arrow between 2 fingers if really needed, then curl the fingertips into a bear-claw as you pull back. This keeps the arrow pinned to the side of the bow even if you draw while moving or changing posture.
If necessary, while you cross-drawers are fumbling with your quiver and trying to thread an arrow without spearing yourself in the hand, I'll shoot you twice while closing, and then punch you in the nose with a bow-hand that has the equivalent of a roll of silver dollars in it, and a charging hundred kilos of raging bear-man momentum driving that. Then the other arm elbow-smash you to the ground, then trample stomp stomp stomp. That's about what an angry stag in rut will do to you too.
So yes, by outside loading, you can even draw by feel while maneuvering or changing range, without risk of stabbing yourself. Just slap the middle of the next arrow against the outside of the bow above the thumb, let it slide down into place, and proceed from there.
Maybe that's the difference between being a target-pin-cushion geek loaded down with awkward contraptions, micro-gimmicks, and all day to plan; compared to being a warrior-huntsman in the actual wild world. It's all about intent, and maybe survival.
Ah, fond memories from one who is now old, slow, and out of practice. Back to the bush one more time, perhaps... maybe one last time, to go out to stay... where's my axe?
I’ve been writing an epic fantasy novel and I just want to say how infinitely helpful your videos are!
Thanks
"Yeah we have... we kill many people when we play."
Outside of the specific context presented, that'd be terrifying.
Internet: It's IMPOSSIBLE!
> Shad: Raises thumb
(゜ロ゜)
Internet: I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that
"It's IMPOSSIBLE... With a higher draw weight!!!
What do you mean with 'moving the goal post'??"
Its the same as saying left handed people are biologically wrong.
@@DZ-1987 They aren´t?
@@MB-oc5pl They are!?
This entire debate is a result of learned incompetence. Someone, somewhere determined that you wouldn't, couldn't, or shouldn't loose arrows from the same side of the bow shaft as your draw arm, and then it gained a life of it's own which later became a religion amongst archery instructors.
I witnessed a ten year old figure out how to loose from the draw arm side of their bow, only for an instructor to rush over and try to "correct" them. The instructor listed off a bunch of reasons why this was wrong but the child persisted, demonstrating that each point was either misinformation or that there was a method to compensate. Eventually, the instructor stormed off petulantly as this child was able to loose arrows far quicker than anyone else.