The ULTIMATE medieval LONGBOW / WARBOW invention, the Instant Legolas (SIL) TESTED TO ITS LIMIT!!
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2020
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Let's have a look at this incredible rapid fire attachment, the Instant Legolas or SIL, on a legitimate 100lb LONGBOW / WARBOW, invented by Jörg Sprave of the Slingshot channel. Could this have changed medieval history?
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I am happy that you like it! I believe it did not break because of the shock (the string never really touches it), but because of your pumping movements being a bit uncontrolled, in the haste. It should be easy to repair though, and I could also easily incorporate some reinforcements. The front handle clearly needs to be thicker or steel lined, that is obvious but easy to do.
It is amazing to hear that you think my invention could have changed history! I am in fact looking for a bow maker so I can check if a version could have been made with materials and tools available in medieval times. I am certain that this is the case but I want to prove it.
Aww man, you're so good and kind, I'm a big fan of you sir.
I hope you are able to find a bow maker, really curious to see if such a thing could have been made in medieval times.
I would love to see a video with you and a fully functional Medieval Instant Legolas.
You're such a legend, Jörg. Can't wait to see a version of the instant Legolas medieval style.
Thanks heaps Joerg, yes I was treating it mercilessly and I agree it can certainly be repaired and re-enforced. Man that's awesome about the fully medieval version, I can't wait to see it!
February: "I can barely swing a sword without getting exhausted"
April: "I can rapid fire a 100lb warbow"
June: "Watch as I demonstrate medeival bear wrestling"
Medieval aliens mech
Watch as i demostrate how the ancient egyptians moved the stones to build the pyramids with my bare hands
Modern medicine is miraculous ant it
October: "Watch me throw a live bear at the target."
@@nk_3332 november: I am the warwolf. I throw BOULDERS!
Shad proves the instant legolas would have been ineffectual in medieval warfare. Soldiers new to the weapon would be caught out standing awestruck every time they loosed an arrow, saying "woough.. Look at the power on that one..." before being shot at by retaliating fire.
You are incorrect, for the enemy would also go "duuuude that's sick, why don't we have those"
@Just Kev wait a second wasn’t flamethrowers our thing and less used against us?
@@sergeantsharkseant Germans had Flamethrowers as well, yes. But they didn't think to adapt them for use in an armoured tank, I.E. The Crocodile-Churchill. But on the other side, while yes those tanks were demoralizing, they were huge targets on the open battlefields and quickly fell out of use after the Allies pushed Germany out of France.
@@KitsuneRogue The germans actually had flamethrower tanks. They just ended up never using them because they didn't need to capture the maginot line, once they had taken france some french tanks where converted as well. but during the entire war they never had a use for the flamethrower tanks except for one occurence.
When the Americans were holding the maginot line during the Ardennes offensive, the germans used those flamethrower tanks with great affect to rout americans from the bunkers.
@KitsuneRogue you noticed the joke, Ain’t you? And if we go fully historical. The Germans had also flamethrower tanks like the Flammpanzer III. The joke was that Germany is more known for using flamethrowers as a weapon. On r/historymemes at least.
next; "the instant Trebuchet, let me show you its Features HA HA HA"
Isn't that just a cannon?
@@tyler1673 last time I checked a trebuchet work on *entirely* different mechanics than a cannon.
Joerg: I made an instant magazine fed ballista. Let me show you it's features.
*shoots shed to smithereens*
Joerg: hehehehehe.
@@nooblangpoo he goes..
Heheheehehe
Im a peacefull guy.
@@wietzie9935 you can feel the kindness in his laugh yet he makes weapons that would have changed history if they ever existed when bows and crossbows were the only range weapon that was practical
"Sir I'm afraid you've gone mad with power."
"Of course I have. You ever try going mad without power? It's boring, no one listens to you."
I remember that. Still funny after all these years.😂😂😂😂
One of my favorite movie lines of all time.
Don't know where that's from but still cool as hell.
...Wait😅
Fuck, what movie was that again?
@@Lenniblackphone The Simpsons Movie
*Let me show you it's features! ha ha ha ha*
Thank you for the
Thank you.
"Jolly good!"
Random Welshman
when i read this, his voice runs in my mind...
Aww that would be a good nod to Jeorg if he actually said that xD
An additional advantage is that you can attach it to an already made bow, as an upgrade, rather than make a whole new weapon.
The logistics of it is amazing.
During a campaign the army could restock bows from local bowyers and attach the system to that.
@@xifel72 Not only that, but I assume the design could be made and adapted to allow lesser-power bows to be used for training or in case you just don't have the same-power replacements for it.
And if it could be designed to be removed and it malfunctions, just take off the attachment and shoot the bow as normal. It's absurdly elegant for what it is.
@@BoisegangGaming Joerg has actually made a version for a mongolian horse bow, which was demonstrated by NuSensei, of course it was modified slightly, spefically in how far back it can go because Nu can't pull it as far back as Joerg can, but the fact that you could make different versions for different types of bows, especially smaller bows like horse bows, then the effects of a device like this in actual medieval times would have been astronomical
You should watch Todd's workshop's video on the instant Legolas ( ua-cam.com/video/H-1bkGPAkJU/v-deo.html ), he suggests that it would of been deployed differently than standard archers but would of been devastating . . . but it has it's flaws like any weapon.
You could give this device to unskilled defenders to free up your skilled defenders maybe place occupants on top your main castle and place your actual archers out on a separate fortification to layer your defense you could especially double the number of available archers.
pro bow shooters now: "wait thats illegal"
medieval archers who would have had this if it existed before: "this is so broken I'm loving every single bit of it"
This type of innovation is exactly the reason that the Repeating Crossbow was so popular in china.
Of course this particular flavour would have replaced the Shot in Pike and Shot with Pike and Welsh Longbows but still.
The amusing bit would be watching world war 1. British doing Trench warfare with Longbows, and their sailors on their battleships being armed with Steel equivalents whilst battling the German High Seas Fleet at Jutland.
Actual Machine-Guns would still be needed, so there would be some actual bullets on the battlefield: but the British would have been shipping their soldiers Steel Arrows and every chicken and bird in Britain would have been denuded before the first year was out and a cloth equivalent was developed.
The question then becomes: if guns are out of vouge: there would be a poor arms industry in Britian.... if that is the case: Who or what flavour of machine guns would they develop? German Maxiums? There is no Enfield rifle standard to decide their cartridges...
@@glenmcgillivray4707 you went full lecture on that one xD
@@ShiratoriIsOffline you haven't seen my other posts.
I like expressing myself, and musing hypothetical situations.
Machine guns still have more range and penetration so, who to buy them from.
Probably one John Browning
@@glenmcgillivray4707 I like it :)
@@glenmcgillivray4707 cannons would have probably still existed, as their function was more of a anti material as opposed to anti personnel originally, but your point still stands.
I don't think it would have gone as far as WWI, however Franklin would have been right to suggest bows during the revolution as opposed to guns.
I think rifles might have still existed for long range engagements, but it probably would have been more likely that pistols were commonplace as emergency weaponry, as it is faster to draw and fire a pistol for an office than to pick up a bow. Same with smoothbore weaponry like blackpowder shotguns, as it's easier to shoot birds with scattershot than with a bow.
Also I doubt these would have been used as anti ship weapons after the American civil war, as penetrating steel with a bolt might be difficult, even if you could use it to reel in a ship.
So I doubt that WWI could have been fought with these guns, but the development of most guns might have been slowed at least slightly by these, however the complexity in building them might limit their functionality in terms of proliferation as they seem slightly more complex than a bow, but less than a crossbow, so they might have not been developed past the point of crossbow age into gun age. But still interesting thought.
"Honey, why is he laughing maniacally?"
"Yeah, he's got some german engineer to build a quickfire attachment for his warbow."
"Should I call the cops yet?"
"I think he's the police now."
The maniacal laughter is just a Joerg Sprave LARP
"not until he hunts people"
"But he's shooting at some one named Bormir"
No call the Americans it's just barely legal
Remember flintlock are toys considered my American law
I can hear Joerg'e laugh watching this, proudly.
I can hear Joerg's saying
"Let me show you its FEATURES"
Shad should have started this: "HAHAHA" *laughs in Joerg Sprave* "Welcome to the Shadiversity channel!"
It's haunting my dreams, it's still there while I sleep!
A longbowman approaches a French knight:
"What is thine wood block thou hast on thine bow?" questioned the knight
"I'm glad you asked, LET ME SHOW YOU IT'S FEATURES!"
You know Joerg is German right?
@@heckleypanes4988 it's a joke lad
@@heckleypanes4988 and where did he say that the longbowman wasn't?
@@Belvie lack of reading comprehension is spreading faster than the Rona.
@@johnmadden52 I DO LIKE THIS!.HOOPLEE DOO,Its a joke lads
Imagine a fantasy story, wearing the trappings of generic fantasy, but including all the changes outlined in Shad's "Fantasy Re-Armed" series. You have orcs essentially dominating the planet due to their insane archers until some inspired Dwarf (optionally named Joerg) creates the instant Legolas, allowing Non-Orcs to use War Bows on par with those of the Orcs and turning the tide of the war.
But then Orcs adopt it too and can shoot EVEN BIGGER bows.
And the elves get jealous. Pouting saying," That's cheating." Elves stomp their feet.
@@andrewvisionzero lmfao
@@viorp5267
Do orcs feel smart about reverse engineering? I do not believe it...
@@andrewvisionzero are his orcs also so large they would have trouble seeing the small parts to do the reverse engineering? Also I feel like throwing trees would be a better tactic for orcs if their as big as I think they are
Oh dear... Shad is actually amazed by the instant-legolas device, he is even laughing like a mad man whose jail door has just been opened and is now released into the outside world. Jörg’s joy is even more contagious that covid.
It's so refreshing to see a man this happy.
Nothing brings any man joy quite like medieval weaponry.
It’s entertaining to see his reaction.
Men dont need Woman. They need a Warbow with Instand Legolas. Never seena man so happy on a wedding lol.
Dimera OI!
I was about to write about how happy he looks too!
I mean, even ignoring accuracy, imagine several ranks of archers just doing volleys with these into enemy ranks vs several ranks without.
Ferrinflame it’d be like pitting semi-auto rifles against matchlock rifles
@@devonlord99 Archers: This feels like sealclubbing.
i mean volume of fire and this thing assists you in being more accurate it would be a one sided fight
or big scorpion like that :D
I believe that the mongols and their mounted archers would love this, one of the hardest things about shooting on horse is trying to reload, so just coming in, shoot a couple arrows in 10 seconds and them come back to cover i think would be very effective.
And archery in general would take advantage of something like this, is such an effective improvement
Did you see the instant Genghis Khan?
@@dragovern I think i saw the recommendation but i haven't watched it yet
While you're completely right, they would love this, it would probably not work on a large scale historically because they don't have enough wood in their country. Traditionally, they used bamboo and animal parts like sinew. I don't mean to be that guy, nothing you said was wrong, just thought it was an interesting insight.
@@ryanfakename251 but when the mongols conquered Siberia there was enough wood right?
@@aleks-hc8cy that's fair yeah
You know, this thing also bridges the gap of skill between the bow and the crossbow. You have the ability to aim down the thing, add some sights, etc, while INCREASING the speed of firing. All the advantages of a bow and all the advantages of a crossbow, while improving on both. Dang this would have revolutionized warfare had it been invented at the time.
I'm not under the impression that this does a better job than a crossbow and its bolt in term of piercing/distance power, and it definitely doesn' t outperform a good archer with a long bow. So it may be a good trade-off for a bad archer, but on the battlefield people with a bow were people with the proper training to handle it. I don't believe this odd mix of bow and crossbow would have been a life changer. It's pretty cool though.
@@retroanim I think the first instance of crossbows actualy had the "bow" part vertical , they switched to orizontal because it made easyer to aim .
@@retroanim I think the whole point of this bow attachment was not to make good archers into great archers, but rather to make terrible archers into okay archers in a much cheaper way.
@@retroanim your "that guy" in the comment section that is a smug git who loves to shit all over peoples comments
Mr&Mrs Morrice No, that's you. He was adding to the discussion.
Shad Fact: Shad frequently does bare handed fishing mostly looking to catch Blue Whales.
I wonder how often he uses this method to go after kraken.
I actually love his overexaggerated gesture. :-) But still like your joke.
This is why he is called The Prince of Whales
@@dorianrobinette9712 ever wonder where theres no more Krakens ?
Timefliesbye GENIUS
I would really watch an anime if its called “ That time that I was reincarnated with my Instant Legolas ” .
I would hope more for a "That time that I was reincarnated with my engineer's degree"
@@Wreckur4203 that kind of exists. can't remember what it's called but a guy takes the place of a great general by using his experience with explosives, engineering and shity bosses. it's pretty good, and there are tits in it
@Emilio Sánchez Shinju no Nectar
@@Rassalcon I thought you were going with "Release that witch." Similar concept, currently just a manga (Manwha? Chinese equiv, whatever it's called). I'd recommend it.
Actually there is a very nice light novel the manga is based on, you should check it out.
I love shad and joerg's content. Both very smart individuals who are greatly inspirational to me. One wrote a book and knows so much about medieval history & weapons and the other one is a phenomenal engineer who know a lot about weaponry. Screw the haters!
I love how excited they are about everything.
Imagine a medieval world with Jörg and Shad working together; one building amazing next generation weapons and the other finding the best ways to tactically implement them.
Dear Lord that would be terrifying.
That sounds like a book idea
A good as well
Just what we needed... another isekai :P
There is actually an isekai where this happens, it's called:
KAGAKUTEKI NI SONZAI SHIURU CREATURE MUSUME NO KANSATSU NISSHI
It features spider girl monsters shooting 60 shot instant legolas weapons. I'm pretty sure the manga came out before Joerg came up with the idea so maybe he was inspired by the manga, vice versa or it's unrelated.
In chapter 3 one of the 2 people who transferred to that world starts designing massive magazine instant legolas. The manga is NSFW, it features a lot of sex and gore and afaik noone is translating it.
You can find the raws at: lhscan.net or loveheaven.net it's the same site and it has thousands of manga raws.
Jorg would do well.
Joerg: The next instance of the Instant Legolas has a 100% unbreakable handle.
Let me show you it's features!
There should be a "HA HA HA HA HA" in there somewhere.
There is already a metal version of it, Jörg found a manufacturer.
This is an unbreakable handle, let me show you its features XD
*proceeds to weld it with a car door*
"Who I've affectionately named Boromir"
You monster.
Me - "I wonder what Shad's been up to recently?"
Shad - *Loads hand-held repeating ballista*
Me - O.o . . .
Agincourt french knights: What are those vertical crossbows those english are using?
English longbow men: LET US SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES
Didn't the French have German mercenaries?
iirc, the mercenaries looked at the sunken road with low fences and said, "Nope, we are going home."
Long bows didn't penetrate their armor they had their horses shot out from under them
Well, I don't know anything about medieval trade routes and such, but Jörg is German, so if he'd live in the middle ages, he'd still be german. So this kind of bow would've probably spread with german mercenaries across Europe, and depending on when in medieval times Jörg would've lived, they were depending on german mercenaries as best/fastest/whatever archers at the time, or it was already common knowledge and both sides would have them.
*HAHAHAHA!*
_A mountain pile of dead french knights later._
*HAHAHAHA!*
@@Kealen69 While an arrow may not penetrate the actual metal plates I bet it aint fun getting hit anywhere by an arrow shot from a longbow.
Not to mention that every armor has weakspots, namely gaps with no metal plate coverin the body and an arrow can definitely do some damage there.
Something like an arrow through the eyeslit or into the armpit is going to be especially nasty if not outright lethal.
Shad you’ve ruined me, I can’t watch anything with choreographed sword fights without saying: “oh that was telegraphed!” “Where’s your stance?” “Ah mate your leaving yourself wide open there what are you doing?” And I’m American so I don’t even say mate!
But now you do say Mate when you watch sword fights haha. The same thing happened to me last night I was watching that Netflix show called letter to the king the few fight scenes I was like "Nice form." "That's nothing but spin to win Crap" I was LUAGHING at myself for nit picking it haha
AMBUKNIGHT hey, nit picking in films like that is fun occasionally. So long as you don't get brutal about it. They do spend alot of money and time on said films afterall.
@@mr_h831 very true
I know what a telegraph is now. Now I'm nitpicking weapon battles.
To be fair, telegraphing in a staged fight is intentional. It makes the fight easier to follow and understand for a casual audience member and the larger movements are more dramatic. Just don't interpret them as a video lesson on swordplay, but rather a performance.
It’s interesting, that power stroke concept is also applicable to firearms, the longer your barrel the higher your muzzle velocity, the same nine millimeter out of a pistol will be slower than if it was shot out of an smg.
You're right, just a small correction. The barrel of an SMG is usually longer than that of a pistol. Unless you're talking the magnum out of Resident Evil. The real question is, how do you make the recoil more efficient in terms of loading the next round and reducing the force on the end user. ... is the end user the person shooting or getting shot? The real real question, who is technically the end user of a firearm?? Ok back to my drinkypoos.
@@kik1rik1 I think you read his comment wrong. He did have a circumvent way of expressing it though.
@@ethanv7330 I think I was drunk.
Probably one of the SANER contraptions by Joerg.
Remember his air-powered javelin? Shivers...
Or his fullauto crossbow, or machetelauncher, or tomahawkcatapult, or airzooka.
@@mennograafmans1595 He's making the German government sweat nervously ever time he comes out of his workshop with something in hand laughing
The Air Powered WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT
@@billwilson7841 He made an airgun that could shoot through a riotshield. And one the size of a bazooka.
@@billwilson7841 Really? You dunno about his 1100 J airgun?
Detachable handle: throw when out of arrows to end them rightly.
Needs to be a pommel for mass destruction.
Joerg once made a sword that shoots its pommel when necessary, super fancy but not very reliable, shot himself on the rib accidentally 😂
@@ancapeancape9829 fucking ballistic knives. XD
or... make more arrows.
@@SilvrSavior Put a pommel on the end, done.
Gonna give the dwarves this ...
Rowan Llew yoerg is basically a modern day artificer
Dwarves are probably better off with crossbows still, draw length is going to be an issue for them
I thought the dwarfs problem was keeping up on long runs.
the dwarves don't need bows; they have balistas (also that would be wonderful to see)
@@jameslewis2635 no no no, long good, fast no good (never mind I got it flipped around)
I love watching his evolution with the war bow. I remember him barely being able to draw that bow. Now it's his 'ho-hum' everyday. That's so inspirational that I've actually gotten back into archery myself.
Honest question, if Jorg was born in a different time, could he have changed the course of history? I guess it depends on whether this idea would still come to him if all he had was medieval technology to inspire him. It's possible?
Yeah the idea of a magazine for example, it might be hard without the inspiration.
The answer to that will never be known for certain. Frankly the grimm reality is that Jorg could have been born at a different time and simple just died to disease or never would have had the time to bring that invention about. But if he WOULD have brought the invention out chances are it would have redrawn the map.The instant legolas is a massive game changer as they are a lot more simple then a crossbow from the core concept while still allowing for nearly all of the advantages of the bow. You could mass produce them and supply your army with them. And as seen it still functions like a regular bow allowing the user the train the core muscles for archery. So basically you raise a military of elite archers on massive scale and if there is one thing that has been proven in history then its that any troop of elite archers was a pain to deal with and spoken about with fear.
Naming the manequin Boromir... its funny, but I can't help being a bit offended.
I had the same reaction (would Bormir have been lung-shot in the movies)
Lament of Boromir covered by Karliene played in my head when he mentioned the name of the mannequin.
At least he hasn't beheaded a dummy and named it Ned.
Or has he?
The second half sounds like a medieval infomercial. "Send a rider now and get a free back-scabbard for only half a farmstead and ten peasants". Love your videos mate.
BUT WAIT! Order in the next five minutes and we’ll throw in a free damsel! ALL FOR ONLY $19.99!
@@xskyhawkx7821 "For 19 pounds, 19 shillings, 11 pence, and 3 farthings!"
I cut this boat in half!
Order now at your local church! To be delivered in three days by our couriers that, JUST KNOW WHERE YOU ARE
@@nasserfirelordarts6574 "I've been lookin' for you. Got somethin' I'm supposed to deliver. Your hands only. Let's see here..."
Shad looks like a kid on Christmas day
Also is anyone getting a pump-action shotgun vibe from this
that's the next iteration: shotgun magazine. It could actually work. I don't know the exact numbers obviously, but a lot of the shooting energy is dissipated within the bow itself, so multiple bolts should in sum deliver a higher amount of energy than a single one. At that point you're basically carpet bombing the battlefield.
only if multi arrow
@@majorfallacy5926 would depend actually. Joreg has done a scatter bow design. The issue is if a single string is pushing 2 bolts at once, you either need to half the weight of the arrow and risk damaging the arrow and string or just accept that each arrow's power is reduced by half. So less powerful then normal
@@sebastianriz4703 if the majority of the bows energy is lost after the shot via dissipation, then double the mass would mean more energy goes into the arrows and less that's turned into heat after the shot. Each arrow would still be less powerful, we just don't know how much
This patent is so damn valuable in the hunting industry. I know something similar has been applied to crossbows, but not every jurisdiction allows crossbow hunting or categorizes it the same as regular bows.
I'm wondering how this "Instant Legolas" would interact with Shad's custom back scabbard in an actual battlefield.
An army with those two feels pretty overpowered in a medieval context.
*Shad and Jörg approching a Dragon*
Dragon: You foolish mortals!
*Jörg pulls out 2 Instant Legolas*
Jörg: Let me show you it's features!
Dragon: Ahh sh***
Joerg: LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!! HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!!
Why would back scabbards help armies?
@@VoltCruelerz Shad made a comment in the video about how he had to take off his sword because it was getting in the way of him shooting. His back scabbard would have fixed that.
I Can Do This All Day most archers likely didn’t carry a full sword, probs a dagger at most, a sword require a lot of steel, and most infantry at the time use spears to lower both cost while retaining effectiveness in mass, so for a army that can’t afford to give everyone a sword, what makes you think that archers would be armored with such? Sure individual archers may be able to afford a sword, but not everyone, I also do not think that a sword would even prove the be much of a hinderance to shooting a bow what-so ever, like the sword is literally attached to what is effectively a belt with a scabbard, so a archer could literally just wear the belt that’s rotated towards the back a bit more instead of directly being at the side of the shooter and this would literally get the sword completely out of the way along with making it still faster to draw, and at the very least faster then reaching all the way to the back
You wouldn't need to outfit every archer. A King's Chosen unit of 100, firing 5 arrows in each salvo every 10 seconds. On the ground, by their feet, a bundle of arrows for reload. Only half of the archers fire at any time. The other half are reloading. On each reload, an archer takes a knee, supporting the bow in a horizontal position, reloads from the bundle at their side. As the first half of archers finish firing, the second set takes position and fires.
This is the equivalent of 50 archers, firing 5 arrows every 10 seconds, or 100 archers firing 5 arrows every 20: 100 archers X 5 arrows X 3 complete cycles/min means a unit of 100 archers can place down 1500 arrows each minute.
This small unit, supported by units of conventional bows and crossbows, would be devastating.
Damn!
Madan no Ou to Vanadis (Lord Marksman and the Vanadis) explains this strategy well... why send an army when you can have the best marksmen (skilled enough to aim at gaps in their enemies armor at 100 alsins) rebels, and have the other archers serve as holsters for their arrows. And you can keep off an overconfident general who thinks he'll be squashing a rebellion like ants
yup, even 20 archers swapping chops... 300 arrows a minute....
good luck trying to move against THAT, even if only half the arrows hit their mark, you've lost 150 men in 60 seconds, 750 in 5 minutes, ouch!
Jeorg was releasing 5 in 6.5 to 7 seconds, if one person were loading the clips to feed 2 archers each, rate might even hit 400-450 per minute.
@@modelnutty6503 so basically a lot of soldiers not getting near the objective at all. A lot of wasted time. While not even killing, or even finding a single Archer. Because of all that armor that they are wearing
@@Quadrolithium wait, which volume?
If the double bowed pendulum version that Joerg came up with had been invented historically I could see it completely out competing and obsoleting the crossbow. A total game changer.
The part I like most about this design is consistency.
You can't physically overdraw the bow, neither can you under draw it. This makes it easy to predict the trajectory of an arrow, and thus easier to hit things.
I'm surprised something like this hasn't been done much in medieval stories fantasy or otherwise. One would think in a fantasy a dwarf easily make a rapid fire bow or a fully automatic crossbow, as far as I know the only instances are Van Helsing and Hansel and Gretel Witch Hunters.
It was done in a movie in the early 1980's. Ladyhawk? Dusty memory
There's a fairly mediocre trilogy that has dragon riders using essentially pump-action crossbows. Can't remember the name of it, but it was very 'birth of flight in combat' kind of thing, very clearly drawing from WW1 and WW2.
Maybe such automation is only retroactively applied from modern advancements, so our medieval ancestors might have never even imagined such a thing.
@@spyrofrost9158 Leonardo probably did?
@@spyrofrost9158 I think a big part of it is, simply, ancient armies rarely cared too much about optimizing the effectiveness of a single soldier. Sure, there's a good reason to do so, but throwing more people at the problem has been a reliable battle strategy for centuries, weighed against the cost of training elites.
For fantasy, though... a typical 'few in number, but old and powerful' race would definitely care about something like that.
Shad's doctor - "So, how's the post-surgery recovery going?" Shad - "Oh, great did some speed shooting with a 100 pound war bow yesterday." Doctor "....high five?"
Shad, while practicing don't forget to switch "offhand drawing" to develop both shoulders.
group of ten archers: "Our arrows will blot out the sun!"
Neighbor hears Shad yelling and laughing: *looks over fence*
Shad: *dancing with glee and excitement with weird contraption in hand*
Neighbor: *lowers down from fenche*
"I swear, I live in a live action anime..." goes by his head while he backs up to his door.
Backs away slowly
Fenche
You forgot: In front of his giant fake castle.
And pulls pistol out just in case
Shad: (misses at 40ft constantly) I'll be a little better at it in the next video
Shad in the next video: (starts hitting moving targets from horseback at 200ft) I'm not quite there yet.
Shad in the video after horseback archery: lives in a yurt, greets us with throat-singing
I completely share shads enthusiasm for this beautiful device. A war bow is such an amazingly powerful thing. This sil development is just helping tame this 100lp beast.
16:15 I think it is important to note as well, that in massive battles it was about how many arrows could be launched into a an oncoming army, or stationary army. So rate of fire was more preferred than actual pin-point accuracy during the time.
Lord Penguin
Sure just like AA guns during WW2 at long ranges they would just fire into an area rather than trying to hit a specific target.
"I raise my slingshot for battle! For the Lord!"
- *Jeorg Sprave's Medieval great-great-granddad, probably.*
LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES!!!
HA HA HA
“LET ME SHOW YOU IT’S...wait a minute, DUES VULT INFIDEL!... FEATURES!”
if we're talking medieval, you're gonna have to add a lot more 'greats'
"DEUS VULT" also his great, great, gran dad
me, playing a ranger: I want one
Party: ...but crossbow
me: but *this video*
party: ...fair
I'm already thinking of an NPC smith based on Joerg. Should be fun!
this is a crossbow, though. Very efficient one, but still crossbow. The moment you use a gadget to shoot instead of your raw power it becomes crossbow.
@@dimas3829 Its not a crossbow. A crossbow is defined as being able to lock at full draw which this cannot. The draw assist is simply that, it assists in drawing the bow. The reason your definition does not work is because there are some crossbows that can be drawn by hand without a device.
I already started thinking up an item too. I was thinking, two shots per attack action, but a full bonus action to reload
@@dimas3829 also it's like a mod for your already existing bow
If Joerg live in medieval times it would have been called the hundred years trench war.
the rate of fire is enough to change of the history. No Cavalry will dare to charge a line of archers with that kind of rate of fire.
Mostly, line of archers fired at an angle, so quantity will matter more than accuracy.
In addition, just employ a person specialize to prepare the magazine will cover the backlash of reloading
If you already have say 1000 archers on the field, I dont see why I significantly higher rate of fire would be particularly advantageous, it would use up a lot of the arrows quickly
@@Hazza57t Not only rate of fire, with the draw assist you can have more archers with heavier bows.
@@Hazza57t you could split them up to 2 groups of 500 and you can still have the same firepower per group with half the men and it'll also allow the archers to flank more effectively
@@Hazza57t If you have the supply you don't need to worry. Not many are dumb enough to shortcut supplies if they have the chance.
Can't wait for Joergsprave to make an Instant Pommel Throwing Machine
I can't wait for him to _show us its features._
He made a sword with inbuilt pommel launcher
ua-cam.com/video/ITuZz9g_K3g/v-deo.html
He did it already.
Pommel Throwing Minigun
You can really see that he is planning to take over Australia. First castles and now auto fire bows.
No, it's still just a single action bow
Yeah, those auto fire bows are really something.
He is preparing for Emu War 2.
@@aneasteregg8171 Imagine riding on an emu while shooting with this thing.
@@amonvandenbruaene8395 'Streylia!! FUCK YEAH!
COMIN' HERE TO KILL SOME MOTHERFUCKING ROOS YEAH!!
2:26 Shad aims so badly he shoots the arrow forward and it hits the target that's just beside him
I’ve been waiting for this video for a month!!! I watched Joerg test this before he sent it to you when he received your bow. He’s a total genius of engineering
Castle background looks sooo sick! Congrats on the movie Shad!
Movie?
@@Thomas-cs8uj A studio is looking to make a Shadow of the Conqueror short film.
@@sugondese5497 whaaaaa?!
yay!
JUST TAKE MY MONEY!!!!! I WILL BUY 20 DVDS RIGHT NOW!
@@sugondese5497 yes please, it was a great read and i'd love to see it animated/performed
I love it, but you need to remember...
THAT STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE!
LOTR reference lol
Don’t tell anyone about this! 😆
@@Habu12 They have a cave troll.
Guess what I'll be watching this evening and tomorrow? ;-)
That iz all gut, but where is ze feuerwerfer, Hans?!?!
*you shall not pass!!!*
Germans with SIL: Wrong forest fools
Romans: aight imma head out
Marcus Iljitsch no no no that would have been terrifying. Romans were masters of taking their enemies technology and tactics and using them. Use this and now we have the Roman Empire with this thing trampling their way across the classical world 😨
But they we're beaten by Attila who used the same siege engines the Romans used. So technically even if the Romans used a war bow with SIL it would just be equal. It was only possible that the Romans took out the Celts in mainland Europe was because of their siege engines and their testudo, but other than that because the Celts we're really big men but has disorganized fighting that they were beaten. Imagine if Celts or the Germanic people back then was centralized and unified under one warlord or king and they use the same technology with the advantage they fully know their own lands then it would be just a massacre for the Romans to venture there. Don't forget the ambush the Germans did in the Roman Legion in 9AD, that made the Romans lose their grip on that region. But yeah I guess you're right, what makes Romans "Romans" is their ability to take advantage/exploit other civilizations technology, beliefs and weaponry.
Marcus Iljitsch I’m sorry but it’s incorrect to say the Celtic tribes didn’t unify against Rome. Julius Caesar was once surrounded by a combined German and Celtic army of reportedly 240,000 infantry. Caesar was inside fortifications at the time with a force of 50,000 infantry and was able to route the Celtic forces through superior tactics, this shattering the alliance of German and Celtic tribes that had existed throughout the Roman conquest.
And Attila beat time at its weakest, while the Germanic tribes faced Rome at its strongest. So if they both have the SIL, great they’re on an even footing. Rome won on an even footing.
Marcus Iljitsch the conflict I’m referencing Is the battle of alesia so you can take a look at it, but the German tribes had mounted Calvary, fortified cities, used advanced tactics like the testudo. The reason they were called Barbarian a was because they were outside what Rome considered the civilized world. They were extremely intelligent and sophisticated people not foolish savages. Also, Germanic tribes came down and sacked Rome a few times in Rome’s early years so the Romans held a grudge and vilified the Germanic people’s. And since histories written by the victors they’re accounts from that day are what we had to go off.
@@williamblack2904 they were tribes separated and ruled not by one single ruler, so as Rome took that advantage. That 240,000 German and Celtic soldiers were not even assembled in as one but as groups and per battle, but Rome it's the other way around. To add to that not even the Celts are "unified" because they are ruled by warlords and kings so they have Celtic to Celtic conflicts so that is another advantage for Romans.
Honestly the double bow looks awesome, and very much like something you'd see in DaVinci's sketches
People: The longsword is Shad's favourite weapon.
Shad: Hold my longbow.
Arming sword, not longsword...
@Brendan Robertson I may be wrong but I’d say that he likes longswords better since that’s the kind he usually has on him.
"It's joust yer opinion sire!"
Bilbo Skywalker, Esquire
uh... that's... hold my 100-pound war bow.
“...if someone like Joerg excisted in medieval times.”? Well they did, but they catapulted mankind straight into the renaissance....or were trialed and burned for their wizardry. ;)
You mean Divinci?
@@scottbruckner4653 he was not early renaissance btw, and most of his ideas never actually got made
but the people who designed balistas, heavier crossbows, catapults and trebuchets, all manner of utility pully systems and many many many more
you have to remember that joerge is working with centuries of existing tech to get ideas from and imrpove upon
rapid fire crossbows have been made in the past, but someone had to first come up with the idea for the mechanism, and someone had to first come up with all the component parts first as well
Exactly which inventor was burned at the stake?
I know the man who invented the bronze bull was killed with his own invention, but who else?
@@supremecaffeine2633 Galilei almost was, like Copernicus and Kepler
@Anna Mozatee I don't think it's that extreme. The Reform had already happened so there were safe places for people who didn't conform completely to the church's orders
It's great to see a collab between you two. I loved your geek out when you first test the draw.
I love it when creators work together like this. Good work Shad and Joerg. :)
In Dungeons&Dragons terms: this turns a longbow from martial weapon to a simple weapon.
I told my players the only way they were going to get one is if the enemy had them first and they captured one. So far they do not seem to keen to be on the wrong end of group of Instant Legolas Archers.
@@shawnr771 well, it does not need to be overpowered.
As I said, treat it as a crossbow for proficiency use. And if you go by 5e rules you can say that who has proficiency in longbows can make an attack as a Bonus action after taking an Attack action with the bow. Also if not magical, it is likely to jam, as in the video. Any time you roll natural 1 you need to spend an Action to clear the misfire.
But the rulebook puts it in exotic weapons category, because f-you having fun.
Yes, I'm taking example on the 1h mini-crossbow that is, for some retarded rule-based reason, an exotic weapon and so if you want to shoot 1 poor d6 at the start of combat, more for cool-factor than anything else, you have to take a feat (while the weapon already costs 100gp to begin with).
At least in Pathfinder 2e they rectified a lot of this nonsense and the hand-crossbow is now a simple weapon (and most weapons now have reasonable cost, making gold actually valuable even if I'll argue 20gp for a longbow is still too much, but at least it's not 80 anymore and the 1h crossbow is like 1/10th or 1/20th of its previous price, because nobody ever was using that weapon in Pathfinder 1e like many other weapons and exotic weapons that would be "fun" to use for shit and giggles at low level but are never worth taking a feat).
I'm rambling, sorry...
and make it strength based
@@Zigg33 to be honnest any bow should be strenght based, the only reason it's a dex weapon is because you have to put some weapons for dex characters (the the composite longbow is a strenght/dex weapon and is strictly better).
Shad: "Alright, so lets do this."
Joerg: "LET ME SHOW YOU ITS *F E A T U R E S* !"
I just discovered Joerg a couple weeks ago and now you're collabing. Awesome.
Give this to someone who is a master at archery and you would create a god
Their name is Lars Andersen. Check em out.
for a second at the intro i thought you are standing in front of a green screen . i totally forgot you built a castle :D
The sheer ingenuity of this bow attachment is nuts!
Watching your reactions was like 10 years of Christmas presents strapped to a warbow!
That handle is just GLORIOUS on its own. The power for an archer to be able to hold in waiting with little to no effort instead of full arm pressure is legendary. Basically it introduces SNIPERS into the archery world, i mean the cross bow does too, but they where not normally as large as a long bow, so they where more for shorter range. These can be ready to fire, waiting long periods of time, a good distance away, until the enemy is in range. THEN YOU EVEN HAVE MULTIPLE SHOTS! OMG this weapon would have DEVASTATED apposing armies. Just SHOWERED their enemies with arrows.
Its so good to see someone having so much fun with things they are actually passionated about
*In an alternate universe, where a medieval inventor invented this design instead*
The French: Why do I hear boss music?
It actually quite possible that someone did, but then jump to developing crossbows.
To be fair, the Medieval Warbow tended to be significantly heavier in draw and had no moving parts. Ease of maintenance is your friend on a long campaign, which is actually one of the reasons bows were more often employed than crossbows in the post-classical early-and-middle Medieval period of Europe. Another reason is this: The English were so fond of the Longbow because of a certain lordly ordinance making it mandatory for every peasant to practice with the damn thing for hours every day. They had freakishly superpowered shoulders because of continuous training with progressively heavier bows.
Also, the Chinese and Koreans invented their own version of this, as has often been remarked by others, in the form of the Repeater Crossbow, which to be frank it basically is already. The Repeating Crossbow is a very interesting device, but it can't put forth the raw power of a Heavy Crossbow with their potentially ludicrous 500-800lb draw that goes all the way through a charging lancer and out the other side. Excellent for attacking peasants, though, but far less effective against infantry in padded armor, and the ammo is an issue, but it's always an issue.
Still, for what it is, that being 'a way to fire a large amount of arrows at a middling draw weight very very quickly', it's good! I just prefer the Crossbow as far as bows go.
@@AlphaNumericKey Exactly! Thanks for detailed answer. I would add only that in my opinion repeater bow is actually better then repeater crossbow what has huge accuracy issue due to way how firing mechanic work. When this devise operate mostly as normal bow with improved loading mechanic, what also can be easily dismantled if it stuck or something. As you said general reason why devices like that weren't developed was that warbows can have sizable drawing powers, what could easily break such device and working in archer company make fire rate far lesser issue. When if used for town guards they usually don't need sizable fire rate anyway (repeater crossbows were usually utilized against riots anyway). When Europeans start developing more advances types of devices like crossbow, it is actually also when firearm gradually become a thing, as both research were historically interconnected. It is generally why devices like such in debate, never become popular.
Oh no, don't let Lindybeige get his hands on this...
@@AlphaNumericKey So the repeating crossbow was most effective against the Chinese and their neighbours?
Even without precision accuracy, that would be a terror weapon to face.
P.S. Should we get Jorg working on a rapid fire trebuchet?
In his campaign to get plywood banned in Germany, Joerg has probably made a fully functional wooden panzer howitzer already... powered with a drill.
I think that a trebuchet would bea different beast entirely, and logistics would help fire rate as much if not more than a mechanical advantage.
I think the Narnia movies have a sort of rapid-fire trebuchet... Basically a large wooden arm with cups on either end that continuously picks up stones and launches them. I don't recall how the arm is powdered considering there is no counterweight, but it certainly looked cool!
I’ve played games with trebuchets firing as fast as shad plus it would be the precursor of torpedo/mortar loading train 3-4 men how to fire and you could completely decimate a castle wall or it’s towers plus launching a bunch of attacks from it would basically be akin to bomber run before the infantry picked off stragglers while storming the line
Thought that those were already invented on a smaller(non castle breaking levels anyways) scale?
Shad, your excitement at around the 7-8 minute mark is incredible! I love Joerg's SIL project, and seeing that reaction alone makes me think that his excitement about it (and mine) has not been misplaced!
I'm watching this and as Shad starts explaining the pros and cons of bows vs crossbows, I'm really starting to think crossbows in Pathfinder/D&D need to be nerfed to hell.
They kind of are, at least base rules in 5e DND. The problem comes when two feats are taken: Crossbow Expert and Sharpshooter. It removes the heavy downside of crossbows, that they vastly reduces the number of attacks you can make, while increasing the damage to ridiculous degrees. Those two feats make the hand crossbow essentially a Glock, letting you fire off 3 to possibly 9 shots in the space of 6 seconds, each with enough damage to murder a normal person with ease. Without those feats, the crossbow limits you to one attack per round, dealing the same or a little more than a bow does. Makes them great for rogues, but severely limiting to any martial class that attacks more than once.
@@natashasurvivallady8021 I hated 4e and I don't care for anything that 5e did (and how it seems to have heavily influenced PF2), so I don't bother with any of those. I don't know exactly what those feats that you mentioned do, PF has a few crossbow feats as well, so I can guess. Crossbows should have no feats for them, especially none that allow it to fire more than once a round. But I'm thinking it should be once every 1d4 rounds and feats can decrease it to once every two rounds and then once a round.
Are crossbows in 3.5/Pathfinder really that strong? If I remember correctly a crossbows rate of fire is really slow, needing a full action to reload 1 bolt. And they aren't much stronger than bows which have composite options available to do extra damage along with feats to fire multiple arrows at once (with an accuracy penalty of course). Crossbows main advantage seems to be that it is cheaper and has slightly longer range than the equivalent bow.
@@connorhamilton5707 I'd have to pull out my books, but IIRC they do more damage than bows do, but they don't have the range (which isn't really an issue because long range attacking isn't all that common, and by that I mean hundreds of feat away). One feat is all that is needed to be able to fire a crossbow as many times as you can attack in a round, which puts it on par with a bow for attacks.
@@Egeslean You're right, the range doesn't usually matter, but I'm pretty certain crossbows are only 1 damage die stronger than bows, and bows can easily overcome that with composite variants for those strong enough to wield them. If one feat negates the reloading time entirely, then maybe it is the feat that needs to be reworked for being too powerful (especially if there are no prerequisite feats), not crossbows in general.
Now let me show you its features
The failure under stress reminds me of software testing: Pretty cool system, not quite production-ready yet, but with a bit more engineering and polish it'll be awesome!
Also the fact that the test-user decides to abuse the system :P
Considering that the instant legolas seems to be made almost entirely out of wood replacing some parts with iron or even steel would probably fix a lot of said issues (for example a metal handle stop would probably be much more durable)
The ones made out of aircraft grade aluminum for compound bows are/were available on Joerg's website.
I am not sure he abused it, but I am sure some recruit some time would, whether on purpose or not. It is the nature of the beast when training.
Aberdeen Testing Grounds does the same thing: they take two prototypes and use/abuse the weapons until they break.
I love/enjoy your enthusiasm. It's like watching a child at Christmas opening gifts. Thanks for the video.
I think i prefer Joerg's earlier itteration of this, the "Instant Robin hood" - Still requires you to draw the string yourself so less experienced bowmen would become fatigued quicker but you can loose arrows far quicker than the legolas. I'd love to see if Jeorg can mix the two together!
I am seriously considering putting this in my RPG.
This looks so amazing! I'd love to see this implemented into fantasy stories.
Same thing for a story I'm doing.
Pug Dungeon go for it. Every person who tested it can verify that it could be built with medieval tech and skills
putting this ON my RPG...
Oh yeah imagine a rapid fire RPG-7 rocket launcher, that would be something...
Aussie and German customs must have been REALLY intrigued by the content of the packages.
Raz0rking “There is reason to believe that a German mad scientist and an Australian snake hunter are planning to take over the world; the latter has already built a castle and is practicing marksmanship, the former is providing him with weapons of unprecedented power.”
Isn't he a Kiwi?
@@ifonlyicouldstop No, he's a person.
A stick, a string, a long box and a thin rubber. Meh
Aussie customs are such arseholes too. The amount of stuff I’ve had seized over the years makes me teary.
Loved the total geek-out over this invention, and the infectious smile.
I love how you put in your mistakes, and your reactions to how things work. The amount of amazement that you are showing here is quite entertaining. You are like a kid at toys R us.
Lindybeige: video on spear and shield
Skallagrim: video on longsword
Shadiversity: video on bows
Can this day become even better?
Let me show you its features
"Perhaps the true ultimate longbow was the sword-like weapon we made along the way..."
Bilbo Skywalker
“This would not have made sense in The Last Jedi” - Bilmond Bagel
Shad: The War General
Skallagrim: the Weapon Master
Joerg: the Warsmith
the Holy Trinity
Don't forget the Metatron as the expert tactician.
@@Yumao420 ah him as well, the Sensei indeed
@@knightslayer1158 samurai and legionnaire all in one
I would never have him as the general honestly
@@jamesclare8800 Something more like a Castle designer.
Joerg has had some cool ideas but this one takes the cake! This would've changed history dramatically! And the improvements on it would come rolling in quickly. More arrows in a clip, detachable magazines etc.
Lord shad must be the envy of the neighbourhood. Hes only got his own castle.
hitlersmissingnut nobody dares try to take it
@@kowonski7729 I still think he should name his castle shadsylvania.
The envy of landlords lol
it´s where he hides his dragon
it's only a model.
You forgot to mention one of the other advantages of a crossbow, namely that it can rest while loaded. So that a person using it could be sitting and waiting for the opportunity to shoot it whereas a traditional bow cannot rest while drawn. It seems that this device also has that advantage though.
Technically, you still have hold it, so it isn't locked and cocked mechanism like a crossbow, but apparently, the effort to hold it there is not particularly strenuous.
@@user-yf4jx6te2b Joerge put a ratchet lock on an earlier prototype which would hold the SIL in the drawn position, but decided to not to pursue the idea because it legally made it a crossbow, which are typically subject to more stringent regulation then bows.
@@mattbowden4996 it's still a crossbow, though.
@@dimas3829 But not enough like a crossbow so that the law enforcement cares
Well put
Him and his brother Jazza sound EXACTLY the same when they get excited, not just accent but tone, what words the emphasize, and cadence. Hilarious XD
i am really happy that you got one of those, i even mentioned it in them in the first archery video of yours. jörg is just a crazy inventer when it come to slingshots and bows
So glad to see you killing it with the outside videos. Your energy levels seem so much better than a year or two ago.
Next time:
Instant legolas: SHIELD SURFING!!!!!
It is so amazing to see you so excited over this.
I kind of like the Way Joerg pronounces your name.
"Will the real Shadeyversity please stand up?!" :)
Medieval fiction writters about this: *It's free real estate*.
That could be the medieval equivalent of a weapon of mass destruction haha
Not quite a WMD, but enough to give an edge. Imagine a three ranks deep shooting line atop a battlement with these and the sheer amount of loosed arrows... Fighting in the shade indeed.
@@Lakhshamana That's the only scenario the Chinese found. To make up for the fewer arrows and the higher rate of fire the only use was in defensive roles such as repelling an attack during a storming of fortifications.
nah, that would be catapulting dead carcasses/rotting bodies of humans and animals over enemy walls to spread disease.. Thats weapon of mass destruction and even biological kind. Trowing clay shells full of oil and lit from outside could also be classified as ancient napalm and i guess weapon of mass destruction chemical warfare kind.
Boromir can never catch a break with arrows, can he? That meme will live on forever.
tl;dr:
The potential energy stored in a 100 lb bow at 33 inch draw length is approx. 90 J.
The potential energy stored in a 250 lb crossbow with 12.6 inch (32 cm) "draw length" is approx. 89 J.
When Shad started talking about the power stroke at 22:13 and the difference in distance, I immediately thought about the work the bow "performs" when it is drawn and that it depends on the distance. But that work is equivalent to the stored potential energy in the bow (I obviously ignore friction).
Now I remember that the force of the bow increases linearly with the draw length up to around 33 inch (83 cm). I believe that can be proved by assuming uniform bend along the length of the bow and using that the torque is linear in regards to the angle of twist. That is a bit unnecessary as there is empirical data on the internet supporting that the bow behaves as a spring up to some point of draw length (I mean recurve bow, obviously compound bows are a slightly different story).
If you know the force F exerted by a spring that is deformed a length x, you can find the coefficient of elasticity k (I'm not sure if that is the correct term in English). If you have both x and k, then the stored potential energy is Ep = k*x*x/2, or (kx^2)/2.
For a bow with draw of 100 lb at 33 inch I got approximately:
100 lb = 45 kg -> F = 45*9.8 = 441 N
k = 269 N/m
Ep = 90 J
For a 250 pound crossbow with 12.6 inch draw length i got approximately:
250 lb = 113.4 -> 113.4*9.8 = 1111
k = 1735 N/m
Ep = 89 J
I'm already picturing this thing in action in the mainstream sense;
like in Roleplaying, Fantasy, Reenactments, Movies, etc