@@catsbyondrepair 45 mph winds are common, and cranes are not coming down all over the place. The crane should have been left pinned together while there was no other crane supporting it. After the mobile helper crane was unhooked (2:08) the crews should have waited until the crane had proper support before continuing the work of removing pins.
@@catsbyondrepair No, no they won't. With the pins and bushings in place, the crane would have survived just fine. The problem is the ineptness of the foreman who thought it would be a good idea to let the workers pull all of the pins before dismantling instead of sections at a time.
Whoever thought "Hey, we should pull all the pins for dismantling all at once" is going to have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They are responsible for the deaths of four people. Such a shame. All because they couldn't just slow down and pull pins a section at a time (as you would logically think it should be done for safety).
That's probably just how they did it before, "it always worked before" is pretty common ... ... .. If you never do things correctly, it will catch up to you.
The kid in the presenter IS playing with the model crane continually too. He can barely keep his hands off of it! I bet he took it home after the press conference, as would I. I wonder where you can get a model crane? Is that custom? 3d printed?
@@demef758 unless you knew someone who died in that collapse, you must be one of those snowflakes who gets triggered and offended by every little thing someone says.
the first clear video shown on the news the days it happened, I noticed the pins connecting the sections were missing and told my wife...... good job Brian!
Yep on a Saturday at 3:30pm- they thought they would be done by noon but wind caused delays in ground crane positioning that was there for the dismantle. Those union guys don't typically like overtime even though they are getting paid a very nice wage
OK, I am not a crane disassembler, I don't even play one on TV, BUT it would never make sense to me to pull bolts and pins on sections not ready to be lifted by the assist crane. Never mind manufactures suggestions, just rudimentary knowledge of physics says this is a bad idea. If the thing was lying on the ground, sure...standing? No way. I would have said something and/or walked of the site...preferably in a direction perpendicular to the prevailing wind.
Honestly, this process should be directed by the city/county authority but they don't want to accept the liability. Oversight could have been better for sure (as in reviewing all of the manufacturer documentation before proceeding). I can envision why the iron workers did what they did. They had a delay on separating a segment of the cab and they were preparing for the next phase by releasing the bolts on the lower segments.. busy work. And then a big gust of wind blew and... catastrophe. Full disclosure I happened to work for (at the time but not now) the general contractor involved in this. I was not assigned to this project but I have full faith in the GC in their efforts at safety. They outsourced companies to deal specifically with the cranes and those companies failed.
@@robot_spider Sir Isaac Newton has technical authority but the responsibility still lives in the crane operators and crane riggers. And this is why all of construction has dissolved into specialty trades because nobody wants to take on the liability of an accident like this.
Morrows tech told them not to remove pins , iron workers did anyway , the tech is there to bypass the plc and disconnect power , the iron workers from the contracted erection company disassembles the crane . They knew what they were doing and did it anyway RIP
Seems like they were in the middle of dismantling the crane when they were shut down due to heavy wind, they basically stopped in the middle of the tear down leaving the crane unprepared to handle the wind, also I have no ideas why two iron workers were left on top of the crane with most of the pins taken out and 50mph wind gusts, someone has to pay for this, this wasn’t an accident.
Yeah I don’t know why they would have ever been up there. For what? You have the right to refuse unsafe work and all of that sounds fucked to me I would not do that
We were taking our crane down that day, north, Vancouver B.C, and had the same winds ( except in km/h) We had to shut down. You didnt hear about us on the news. We did review our procedures. Brothers dies that day. So did 2 who happened by. Sad. Truly sad.
johnny rotten I spent two years working in the states and they like to cut corners... they aren’t as strict with safety as we are here in Canada. I was told to hook up some sketchy loads off a truck and instead of ripping a few pieces off the top we took all the iron. Pieces were hanging out ready to fall. It was so normal for them.
The amount of fines handed out are a straight up joke. The same company that was taking this crane apart is the same one that put up the one that fell over in Bellevue.
The crane owner received the highest fines. The group leasing and operating the crane should be getting much higher fines then what they did. People died, and this could have been prevented.
He mentions a 60mph gust. In the accident video, several trees a block away look completely undisturbed around the time of the fall. It's possible the buildings and such dissipated the gust at lower altitudes, but I feel like there should have been at least some movement in those trees. Sounds like pure negligence, not weather.
know one that I know would even attempt to dismantle a crane in that kind of wind .maybe I'm wrong but we never had a accident. Any time you don't follow manufacturing specification you're in trouble. When you get in the habit of cheating a little here an there you lead yourself wide open for a major accident, it doesn't matter who you are accidents doesn't discriminat .
25mph would be the cut off, when you get gusty wind that's the worst it effects the tower crane and the ground crane. Anyone reading this it's my opinion. When pull the plug you are as low as snake 💩 but you didn't kill anyone.
The tower crane has a wind Guage and in the operators cab manufacturers specifications for how much wind . I know Formans and Superintendents will pressure crane operators and riggers to push to finish .I did inspection on cranes this was and always will be a problem usually the operator will be at fault. Crane operators have to have a stiff back , you can have charges brought against you . I MISS CRANE AND RIGGING WORK .
Proof that saving time can cost you your life. Anybody that knows anything about cranes in general knew exactly how this happened the moment the video was first shown on tv. I did. My guess when I first saw it,...They pulled the pins to save time. Guess what, i was right.
I thought maybe they might have pulled some pins to allow some vertical play so the jammed cab section could be removed. I'm not a construction engineer but in any other scenario it seems crazy to me to remove the fasteners that give your structure rigidity with all that weight at the top.
Pulling fifty pins is just nuts. It makes you really wonder about the basic skill level of the people the contractor had working for them, if they had any concept of basic physics or how weather affected the operation, to say nothing of the people around them. I mean, can you imagine being one of those drivers who were killed by the falling crane---you're just driving down the street going about your mundane business and then a freaking CRANE falls on you??
In the police video one of the construction workers tried saying it was just windy & that blew it away they forgot to mention that they took out the pins too early smh Worried about themselves instead of telling the truth to help the fallen victims & there family
I agree , but this man hasn't been on a tower crane going up or down. I have started takeing bolts out once the upper crane was off . Then with straight up tower sections we would remove all but two bolts or pins ,we would stay one section ahead of the hook . The operator says wind is to high , we stopped.
Most crazy thing about all this, if you were one of the workers that were injured on this crane accident. You just lost your rights. Very true, you can not sue your employer for Negligence because the are protected by the (MAFIA) L&I . Yes this is true, and you lost your wage even though the company was at fault for removing pins before section was ready to be disassembled. And you can not sue L&I for poor treatment on your recovery care. People wake up. You are not safe at work.
That sounds to Middle Eastern or 3rd world to escape the accountability logically. Time we took our countries back and ship these "unaccountable's" back to where ever the hell they came from!!! You are accountable for your conduct and actions in the developed world. That's why it's developed.
A silly question: If this crane is a self assembling crane; in the fact that it adds sections to itself, why was it not disassembled the same way? By doing that, are you not reducing the risk of something going wrong?
They were trying to save time. They saved a lot of time, it came down much quicker than anticipated. Too bad 4 people had to die, 2 of them minding their own business off-site.
self assembly is only used when there's no mobile crane is available, or when it reaches a certain height that exceeded the capacity of any available mobile cranes. it triples the amount of pin and unpin work load.
When he said they started removing the pins...I said ahhh sh!t. They still had a problem above yet they started removing the pins!!?? Who TF was in charge of that dumbass decision??!!😩😓
That taxi crane operator probably got his ass chewed for not checking his chart and setting up the crane within the right radius the first time, those things don't go unnoticed.
Sad this was entirely preventable. I first heard the term Normalization of Deviance in the investigation of aircraft accidents, it sees to fit here also.
What does Google have to do with it? They were not the ones building it, they were the ones hiring. If you hire a taxi driver, and taxi driver due to incompetence goes on and rams into another vehicle, should you now pay for it? Responsibility is very clearly at the construction company that was certified to do the work, not the IT firm that hired the construction company. Imagine tomorrow you enter in taxi and if the driver messes up it is you who goes to jail because you were the one who hired him.
Actually just by knowing how these types of jobs work. The question is who owns the mobile crane? If the had to rent the mobile crane to come in and take down the tower crane. I would put money on it someone didn’t wanna have to rent the mobile crane for another day and they wanted the tower down so they took all of them out to save money. I’ve seen unsafe things happen several occasions because of trying to save money on a piece of equipment they were renting. But you kill 4 people in the process you are saving time or money.
This is just insane. Lets separate the fact they are endangering other people. But just think about it. They themselves are around a crane that’s not bolted together. Every crane disassembled I’ve ever seen. You add a section step #2 Bolt it. Once it’s bolted then you add another. These tower structures are not very strong at all. They are only strong if everything is in place as one. It’s like taking a long noodle uncooked of course. Stand a piece up on a table and push on the top. It takes a tiny amount of pressure to snap it. Take the noodle and cut a 1” piece of noodle and try breaking it. It takes a lot of pressure. That’s why the tower segments are very short. It’s the same concept. If you tried to put one long solid tower structure up with no segments. It would be like that long noodle. It would take a tiny amount of force to snap it in half. But unbolting segments like this is suicide. Then leaving it to kill someone else. This is criminal!
when the swing cab assembly could not be removed all work should have stopped you would think. and then to go ahead and pull 50 pins out all the way down the tower assembly just sounds insane. I can't believe that would ever be done as a common practice in some situations, its such a massive structure to take chances with.
ryannayr140. They did not deserve “ it “ . So if an airline crash that is caused by pilot error the pilots deserve to die? You try having the balls to be an Ironworker before you say such garbage. Ironworkers built America have some respect.
How did this crap get on my thread, I hope you are not saying the people on top of the crane. I think whoever pulled 50 pins , ordered them pulled and any who knew about pulling 50 pins before they should have been pulled should be liable.
It's covered in his original video that these guys are union and there's NO chance they'd get fired for doing the right thing, IE refusing to break the rules.
No, they worked top down. They had a delay so somewhere in the decision making process they started pulling pins from the top down and then a big gust of wind blew and destabilized the structure. Nobody pulled pins at the bottom, but they did start pulling them from the top and then the tower stack started to "noodle"; get a bit bendy. And then collapse.
@hoon4tw The guy here literally said that every single one of the 50 pins was pulled except for one, and all the sleeves were pulled except for one. You didn’t pay attention.
Anti - Ethnic Cleansing Exactly. Maybe I should’ve said asked the question in a different way. It is quite obvious that they removed some of the pins on the crane before they should have.
Looks like someone became complacent Moral of the Story slow down 1 man in charge calling the shots everything done in sequence, Competent Rigging crew who value their lives should only work in this game.
I can’t believe they did that it’s super hard to knock those pins out from the bottoms With all that pressure from the upper sections from my experience is super difficult to do talk about doing the wrong thing forcefully smh 🤦♀️
So when the cab got stuck because they didn’t read the manufacturer instructions they decided to remove all the pins in mean time because they can’t have guys standing around waiting for the wind to ease up,that’s asinine.
Why would you remove pins for the lower part of the crane at the same time you're moving the top part of the crane even a two-year-old knows it's going to collapse.
What a joke, they bring this out to tell how the riggers did it wrong, when do they ever come out with an investigation result when it's the builders fault, or engineers fault? Where the results of the tower collapse in Sydney August 2017?
Only a few words to explain the impact of removing the pins early but went on and on about how the wind played it's part. WE ALL SAW THE VID. Minimal windage.
Sounds like a regular practice in England too,cowboys cutting corners and lack of proper training, could name a few cowboys in England and Scotland ,best say no more ,they know who they are themselves. 🏗🏗🏗🙈🙈
we are people just like you. we are all ugly inside just like me. Rarely are beautiful unless we know someones watching. This was not done in Malice, the choice was made with painstaking consideration I am certain. The man who made the last call in the chain of events that has brought us here to cast our pius judgments is a brother ironworker of mine. as were the two deceased. very few can imagine his path to that decision. He without a doubt trusted his brother ironworkers with his life every day. Just like Travis and Andrew did. you have to. You could have caught your partner with your wife last week but once on the iron you put your well being in their hands the moment you leave the last floor all the other trades are limited to. our job is often hair raising, rarely boring. but being the push, it is always terrifying when your calling the shots day in and day out. Then one day you make a judgment call that turns into another then another you find yourself in a position where you can not turn back from. Then the next judgment call everything works out. everyone goes home to their families. then one judgment call costs everyone everything. Except one. He needs compassion the most .
I get that this is an important conference. But I highly doubt it needed that many pictures taken by the guy in the front.. he must have taken like 1000 pics during this talk 😂😂
AvE was right. Pins pulled way to early.
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Yes he called it.
Exactly.. :-(
Absolutely!!!
you dont know what your talking about
Me: "Ah, volume is low. Better turn it way up"
0:27: "...AND THE MOBILE CRANE OPERATOR!!"
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MeanT241985 I read that right when it happened
THANK YOU you just saved my ears so much pain hahahah
Thank you for the heads up :D
Thanks 👍
Same. Scared me to death, lol. Should have scrolled and read your comment first. haha
Crazy level of incompetence. Mismanagement kills innocent people in that line of work.
So the early theories on this one were correct. Quadruple sad because it was entirely preventable.
45 mph winds will take down any crane
@@catsbyondrepair 45 mph winds are common, and cranes are not coming down all over the place. The crane should have been left pinned together while there was no other crane supporting it. After the mobile helper crane was unhooked (2:08) the crews should have waited until the crane had proper support before continuing the work of removing pins.
@@catsbyondrepair No, no they won't. With the pins and bushings in place, the crane would have survived just fine. The problem is the ineptness of the foreman who thought it would be a good idea to let the workers pull all of the pins before dismantling instead of sections at a time.
@@blindwit could've been his CM pushing him to get the job done too...i want to know who was held responsible for this in the end
Most accidents are preventable.
Whoever thought "Hey, we should pull all the pins for dismantling all at once" is going to have to live with this for the rest of their lives. They are responsible for the deaths of four people. Such a shame. All because they couldn't just slow down and pull pins a section at a time (as you would logically think it should be done for safety).
That's probably just how they did it before, "it always worked before" is pretty common ... ... .. If you never do things correctly, it will catch up to you.
@@galehess6676 Yep, normalisation of deviance, it's a killer.
@@plummetplum true story
Time and money kills! People risk their lives, so others can buy yachts and multiple penthouses.
In the end safety is all that helps workers to go home to their families 👪
The kid in me wants to play with that model crane so badly.
The kid in the presenter IS playing with the model crane continually too. He can barely keep his hands off of it! I bet he took it home after the press conference, as would I. I wonder where you can get a model crane? Is that custom? 3d printed?
gorak9000 Amazon has tons of them. They’re not hard to find.
Considering that four people died in that collapse, it's pretty obvious that you never grew up.
@@demef758 unless you knew someone who died in that collapse, you must be one of those snowflakes who gets triggered and offended by every little thing someone says.
Demef Lighten the F#@< up already!
the first clear video shown on the news the days it happened, I noticed the pins connecting the sections were missing and told my wife...... good job Brian!
Whoa shots fired
why is the audio so low?
Technical difficulties at the start probably, it sounds like his mic was muted.
He doesn't want you to know what happened
Actually the "low" audio was better, you could hear him more clearly w/less echo.
unbelievable this could've 100% been avoided...
Imagine driving a car right after you took out the lug nuts. Does that make sense to you? Lol
Nobody is in anyone’s pocket. The dismantling team had a bad case of “get home itis” Not unlike many deceased private pilots.
Yep on a Saturday at 3:30pm- they thought they would be done by noon but wind caused delays in ground crane positioning that was there for the dismantle. Those union guys don't typically like overtime even though they are getting paid a very nice wage
OK, I am not a crane disassembler, I don't even play one on TV, BUT it would never make sense to me to pull bolts and pins on sections not ready to be lifted by the assist crane. Never mind manufactures suggestions, just rudimentary knowledge of physics says this is a bad idea. If the thing was lying on the ground, sure...standing? No way. I would have said something and/or walked of the site...preferably in a direction perpendicular to the prevailing wind.
Not reading the manufacturer's instructions, will get you in trouble just assembling a bookshelf.
A person can hurt themselves using a fork if they don’t know how to use it safely.
Unless it IKEA. Where nobody knows.
It’s crazy. It seems to me that a foreman from the crane services company should be directing every step of the operation. Who was in charge here?
Honestly, this process should be directed by the city/county authority but they don't want to accept the liability. Oversight could have been better for sure (as in reviewing all of the manufacturer documentation before proceeding). I can envision why the iron workers did what they did. They had a delay on separating a segment of the cab and they were preparing for the next phase by releasing the bolts on the lower segments.. busy work. And then a big gust of wind blew and... catastrophe. Full disclosure I happened to work for (at the time but not now) the general contractor involved in this. I was not assigned to this project but I have full faith in the GC in their efforts at safety. They outsourced companies to deal specifically with the cranes and those companies failed.
"Who was in charge?" I think it was Isaac Newton.
@@robot_spider Sir Isaac Newton has technical authority but the responsibility still lives in the crane operators and crane riggers. And this is why all of construction has dissolved into specialty trades because nobody wants to take on the liability of an accident like this.
Morrows tech told them not to remove pins , iron workers did anyway , the tech is there to bypass the plc and disconnect power , the iron workers from the contracted erection company disassembles the crane . They knew what they were doing and did it anyway RIP
@@hoon4tw They likely outsource mostly to shift the liabity. As evidenced here liability wise it was a smart move.
Seems like they were in the middle of dismantling the crane when they were shut down due to heavy wind, they basically stopped in the middle of the tear down leaving the crane unprepared to handle the wind, also I have no ideas why two iron workers were left on top of the crane with most of the pins taken out and 50mph wind gusts, someone has to pay for this, this wasn’t an accident.
They already did, the people responsible were at the top of the crane.
It was a act of god
Yeah I don’t know why they would have ever been up there. For what? You have the right to refuse unsafe work and all of that sounds fucked to me I would not do that
Reminds me of Day Davis at Bacardi. Crushed by a pallet of booze on his first day after bring told to go INTO the macine to clean glass.
We were taking our crane down that day, north, Vancouver B.C, and had the same winds ( except in km/h)
We had to shut down.
You didnt hear about us on the news. We did review our procedures.
Brothers dies that day. So did 2 who happened by. Sad. Truly sad.
johnny rotten I spent two years working in the states and they like to cut corners... they aren’t as strict with safety as we are here in Canada. I was told to hook up some sketchy loads off a truck and instead of ripping a few pieces off the top we took all the iron. Pieces were hanging out ready to fall. It was so normal for them.
Why is the volume so low with out headphones in the beginning you could barely hear anything
The amount of fines handed out are a straight up joke. The same company that was taking this crane apart is the same one that put up the one that fell over in Bellevue.
The crane owner received the highest fines. The group leasing and operating the crane should be getting much higher fines then what they did. People died, and this could have been prevented.
Wow. Just sad. Turns out reading the instructions is important... Totally avoidable.
@e james Which is why the return line can take hours.... LOL
They knew what they were doing was wrong, they just assumed it was more over engineered than it was.
In this section we find the usual pearls of wisdom from the Captain Obvious Brigade
He mentions a 60mph gust. In the accident video, several trees a block away look completely undisturbed around the time of the fall. It's possible the buildings and such dissipated the gust at lower altitudes, but I feel like there should have been at least some movement in those trees. Sounds like pure negligence, not weather.
A combination of both, to be fair.
know one that I know would even attempt to dismantle a crane in that kind of wind .maybe I'm wrong but we never had a accident. Any time you don't follow manufacturing specification you're in trouble. When you get in the habit of cheating a little here an there you lead yourself wide open for a major accident, it doesn't matter who you are accidents doesn't discriminat .
25mph would be the cut off, when you get gusty wind that's the worst it effects the tower crane and the ground crane. Anyone reading this it's my opinion. When pull the plug you are as low as snake 💩 but you didn't kill anyone.
The tower crane has a wind Guage and in the operators cab manufacturers specifications for how much wind . I know Formans and Superintendents will pressure crane operators and riggers to push to finish .I did inspection on cranes this was and always will be a problem usually the operator will be at fault. Crane operators have to have a stiff back , you can have charges brought against you . I MISS CRANE AND RIGGING WORK .
I don't know how high the tower crane was but the wind gets higher as you go up but the wind Guage was up top .
Proof that saving time can cost you your life. Anybody that knows anything about cranes in general knew exactly how this happened the moment the video was first shown on tv. I did. My guess when I first saw it,...They pulled the pins to save time. Guess what, i was right.
I thought maybe they might have pulled some pins to allow some vertical play so the jammed cab section could be removed. I'm not a construction engineer but in any other scenario it seems crazy to me to remove the fasteners that give your structure rigidity with all that weight at the top.
"They pulled the pins to save time"
To be fair, they did get it down quicker 🙃
@@anarchist yep, mighty quick.
Shannon Cox, did you think they pulled almost 50 of them.....that’s is a lot time they tried to save. Wow
Pulling fifty pins is just nuts. It makes you really wonder about the basic skill level of the people the contractor had working for them, if they had any concept of basic physics or how weather affected the operation, to say nothing of the people around them.
I mean, can you imagine being one of those drivers who were killed by the falling crane---you're just driving down the street going about your mundane business and then a freaking CRANE falls on you??
In the police video one of the construction workers tried saying it was just windy & that blew it away they forgot to mention that they took out the pins too early smh Worried about themselves instead of telling the truth to help the fallen victims & there family
I agree , but this man hasn't been on a tower crane going up or down. I have started takeing bolts out once the upper crane was off . Then with straight up tower sections we would remove all but two bolts or pins ,we would stay one section ahead of the hook . The operator says wind is to high , we stopped.
They were shut down because of the mobile crane right. So there was nothing to stay one section ahead of so I feel like all work should have halted.
Most crazy thing about all this, if you were one of the workers that were injured on this crane accident. You just lost your rights. Very true, you can not sue your employer for Negligence because the are protected by the (MAFIA) L&I . Yes this is true, and you lost your wage even though the company was at fault for removing pins before section was ready to be disassembled. And you can not sue L&I for poor treatment on your recovery care. People wake up. You are not safe at work.
That sounds to Middle Eastern or 3rd world to escape the accountability logically. Time we took our countries back and ship these "unaccountable's" back to where ever the hell they came from!!! You are accountable for your conduct and actions in the developed world. That's why it's developed.
That’s not even true
How do they make these model cranes? Do they just buy it from the store or they make it themselves?
There are several model makers that make model cranes(available online)you can also 3D print a custom model if needed
Crane company makes a model for their internal stuff.
@@DataLog indeed. Some will also sell them to fans. Because there are crane fans.
Search UA-cam for crane models. Whole industry just for it.
@@ImNotPotus Yeah, CranesEtcTV does good reviews for model cranes. And etc.
Unfortunately, those awesome crane models are way overpriced.
A silly question: If this crane is a self assembling crane; in the fact that it adds sections to itself, why was it not disassembled the same way? By doing that, are you not reducing the risk of something going wrong?
They were trying to save time. They saved a lot of time, it came down much quicker than anticipated. Too bad 4 people had to die, 2 of them minding their own business off-site.
self assembly is only used when there's no mobile crane is available, or when it reaches a certain height that exceeded the capacity of any available mobile cranes. it triples the amount of pin and unpin work load.
When he said they started removing the pins...I said ahhh sh!t. They still had a problem above yet they started removing the pins!!?? Who TF was in charge of that dumbass decision??!!😩😓
This is what happens when proper work procedures are not followed.
OMG man do you know where the volume slider is in the edit software?
That taxi crane operator probably got his ass chewed for not checking his chart and setting up the crane within the right radius the first time, those things don't go unnoticed.
The mobile crane wasnt even connected to it when it went over.
Sad this was entirely preventable.
I first heard the term Normalization of Deviance in the investigation of aircraft accidents, it sees to fit here also.
No volume.
Criminal negligence, people died, and yet NO JAIL TIME. So sad.
I wonder what Ave would say.
he called it back in April
Was there a race or deadline to finish? Usually there's a suggested time to dismantle a crane, but getting ahead at what cost?
Did Google pay for any restitutions for the brave victims?
What does Google have to do with it? They were not the ones building it, they were the ones hiring. If you hire a taxi driver, and taxi driver due to incompetence goes on and rams into another vehicle, should you now pay for it? Responsibility is very clearly at the construction company that was certified to do the work, not the IT firm that hired the construction company. Imagine tomorrow you enter in taxi and if the driver messes up it is you who goes to jail because you were the one who hired him.
Are you sure your name isn't Gomer Pyle?
Actually just by knowing how these types of jobs work. The question is who owns the mobile crane? If the had to rent the mobile crane to come in and take down the tower crane. I would put money on it someone didn’t wanna have to rent the mobile crane for another day and they wanted the tower down so they took all of them out to save money. I’ve seen unsafe things happen several occasions because of trying to save money on a piece of equipment they were renting. But you kill 4 people in the process you are saving time or money.
I think you mean. Saving neither time nor money.. lol
And that's what happens when you try to work ahead of the process.
Right off the bat, it sounds like there were WAY too many different companies involved in the dismantling.
What where they thinking? Take the pins out of just the section that is to be removed. All out makes for hapless employees not knowing anything.
This is just insane. Lets separate the fact they are endangering other people. But just think about it. They themselves are around a crane that’s not bolted together. Every crane disassembled I’ve ever seen. You add a section step #2 Bolt it. Once it’s bolted then you add another. These tower structures are not very strong at all. They are only strong if everything is in place as one. It’s like taking a long noodle uncooked of course. Stand a piece up on a table and push on the top. It takes a tiny amount of pressure to snap it. Take the noodle and cut a 1” piece of noodle and try breaking it. It takes a lot of pressure. That’s why the tower segments are very short. It’s the same concept. If you tried to put one long solid tower structure up with no segments. It would be like that long noodle. It would take a tiny amount of force to snap it in half. But unbolting segments like this is suicide. Then leaving it to kill someone else. This is criminal!
safe to say whoever pulled those pins ain’t ever allowed back on a construction site again.
Yeah right, means nothing
when the swing cab assembly could not be removed all work should have stopped you would think. and then to go ahead and pull 50 pins out all the way down the tower assembly just sounds insane. I can't believe that would ever be done as a common practice in some situations, its such a massive structure to take chances with.
I love that miniature
The end is cutoff.....
but almost 50 pins removed.......
who is accountable?
What is being done ?
The guys at the top are accountable, they died as a result of what they did. They deserved it.
ryannayr140. They did not deserve “ it “ .
So if an airline crash that is caused by pilot error the pilots deserve to die?
You try having the balls to be an Ironworker before you say such garbage.
Ironworkers built America have some respect.
@@watogo7664 They were grossly negligent, so yes, if an airline pilot dies as a result of this I'd say the same thing.
How did this crap get on my thread, I hope you are not saying the people on top of the crane. I think whoever pulled 50 pins , ordered them pulled and any who knew about pulling 50 pins before they should have been pulled should be liable.
It's covered in his original video that these guys are union and there's NO chance they'd get fired for doing the right thing, IE refusing to break the rules.
It was windy that day and they were trying to take down the crane... people were on the crane when it collapsed, hitting cars down below...
So they removed the pins at the bottom of the crane, FIRST!?!
No, they worked top down. They had a delay so somewhere in the decision making process they started pulling pins from the top down and then a big gust of wind blew and destabilized the structure. Nobody pulled pins at the bottom, but they did start pulling them from the top and then the tower stack started to "noodle"; get a bit bendy. And then collapse.
@hoon4tw
The guy here literally said that every single one of the 50 pins was pulled except for one, and all the sleeves were pulled except for one. You didn’t pay attention.
Anti - Ethnic Cleansing Exactly. Maybe I should’ve said asked the question in a different way. It is quite obvious that they removed some of the pins on the crane before they should have.
So - have arrests been made. If not - why not?
Because the ones that made the decision went down with the crane...
because they dead
Because it was a ritual. Good luck at the end of December 2019 shtf big time. Ticky tock
Agreed, manslaughter charges should be imposed.
Negligence yes
Lack of leadership yes
Criminal no
Big lawsuits coming down.
About 10 million dollars per dead person.
SanFranciscoBay Wouldn’t be surprised.
Unfortunately, the “blood sucking” lawyers get 30-40%...
@@irgski Yup, the lawyers always make out.
Someone forgot to turn on the audio.
So did ave say the pins were pulled out or never got put in?
Looks like someone became complacent Moral of the Story slow down 1 man in charge calling the shots everything done in sequence, Competent Rigging crew who value their lives should only work in this game.
It’s 2020 why do we have loud ass cameras
I can’t believe they did that it’s super hard to knock those pins out from the bottoms
With all that pressure from the upper sections from my experience is super difficult to do talk about doing the wrong thing forcefully smh 🤦♀️
"I wanna wear a tie, but I don't want people to see it."
What if the crane identified as a horse before the collapse???
So when the cab got stuck because they didn’t read the manufacturer instructions they decided to remove all the pins in mean time because they can’t have guys standing around waiting for the wind to ease up,that’s asinine.
Why would you remove pins for the lower part of the crane at the same time you're moving the top part of the crane even a two-year-old knows it's going to collapse.
What a joke, they bring this out to tell how the riggers did it wrong, when do they ever come out with an investigation result when it's the builders fault, or engineers fault? Where the results of the tower collapse in Sydney August 2017?
MrTugone69 Cameron smh. It was the riggers fault dumb ass! Common sense should tell you not to pull every pin in a tower crane!
How is it a joke? You're the joke. They DID do it wrong. End of.
Only a few words to explain the impact of removing the pins early but went on and on about how the wind played it's part. WE ALL SAW THE VID. Minimal windage.
Justice had better be served on this.
Did that guy look in the mirror in the morning before he picked out his tie?
What tie?
Its happens more the once..
Can't hear it !!
Here's why I always like being WAY WAY away from these things. Few people I even trust w dumb things on my car...
such bad sound
A bit silly to remove the pins 😦😦
Sounds like a regular practice in England too,cowboys cutting corners and lack of proper training, could name a few cowboys in England and Scotland ,best say no more ,they know who they are themselves. 🏗🏗🏗🙈🙈
Stupidity KILLS
Knock the hinge pins and door latch out of your car doors and drive the car on the interstate.
It’s all about profit/ money, the lads taking it down would have been under pressure by the bosses
0:27 nice earrape
People do stupid things with cranes all the time they think it’s ok to work of plan
Be nice to HEAR
Who is that and why should I be nice to him/her?
3:14 please just stick to what you know, you're making us engineers cringe
Horrible camera work!
What they didn't check twice for safety provisions on every foreman that gets hired for the job
So glad I can hear his belt!
We no they made a big mistake with out pins the whole thing is unstable
Haste makes Waste
Poorly done video with the audio too low.
we are people just like you. we are all ugly inside just like me. Rarely are beautiful unless we know someones watching. This was not done in Malice, the choice was made with painstaking consideration I am certain. The man who made the last call in the chain of events that has brought us here to cast our pius judgments is a brother ironworker of mine. as were the two deceased. very few can imagine his path to that decision. He without a doubt trusted his brother ironworkers with his life every day. Just like Travis and Andrew did. you have to. You could have caught your partner with your wife last week but once on the iron you put your well being in their hands the moment you leave the last floor all the other trades are limited to. our job is often hair raising, rarely boring. but being the push, it is always terrifying when your calling the shots day in and day out. Then one day you make a judgment call that turns into another then another you find yourself in a position where you can not turn back from. Then the next judgment call everything works out. everyone goes home to their families. then one judgment call costs everyone everything. Except one. He needs compassion the most .
So they were in a hurry
Crazy
audio sucks
Can’t hear the good
L&I is covering for the company's hear! it's sad to see so many people in the pocket of theses big companies there needs to be accountability
I get that this is an important conference. But I highly doubt it needed that many pictures taken by the guy in the front.. he must have taken like 1000 pics during this talk 😂😂
Haha preliminary pissed off youtube guy was right
AvE?
@@tazmankb26 aye
All this is, this guy talking.
AUDIYOOOOOOO
Next
Should somebody tell them about PowerPoint? I find those printed out pictures quite impressive but a bit funny to be honest.
No1~G.No2~F~No3？~謝謝~♡♡♡♡
This crane is not stability as always not a good design i have always doubt it
Ironworkers fault
It was an intentional event
When your brain is floating in beer and your rushing to get more beer bad things can happen.
yeah im sure they were all drunk on site
My god. The audio is horrendous. RIP my eardrums. Please re-render.