Kelowna crane collapse explained
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2021
- Entirely preventable deaths. It's my opinion that the crane was allowed to operated unbalanced during climbing/disassembly. We don't know why it was unbalanced, but there are some clues.
I dont think its respectful how your speaking while speaking about this awful tragedy that happened. Sickening.
Maybe eh, setting aside virtue signaling; you know what's really sickening? 5 pointless deaths, children orphaned, wives widowed.
You dont watch this channel do you??? 😆 🤣 I started the video and was thinking he was being very out of character because of how gentle he was being about this. Know the person before you make a nasty comment about them. Your not an angel yourself.
I think that discourse about the tragic event is extremely respectful. Most of the viewers here are professionals of many trades who do work that has a high likely hood of causing death or dismemberment. That said, most of us watch videos like this to have legitimate discussion about what happened so that we are all better prepared to not let it happen again. A quote I heard on AvE's channel that is poignant to me and fits here is, "Remember, rules, regulations, and equipment have all been paid in the blood of past mistakes."
So, kindly add to the conversation constructively or go fuck your hat.
Frankly I find the passive voice "that happened" pretty sickening. Shrug your shoulders, thoughts and prayers. It didn't just "happen" like a meteorite falling out of the sky. Oh, and your grammar sucks.
Forgive Kayla; she unwittingly brought emotions to an engineering fight.
When I can understand every AvE's word, that means that he's really angry.
Hear here!
I was thinking the same thing.
Yep, you can feel it. We are boiling inside too when we see shit like this happening, aren't we?
@@nikovbn839 I sure as hell am. People. Fucking. Died. Their families have an empty seat at the dinner table now because someone decided the safety rules weren't for them. May the victims rest in peace and those responsible get no rest.
Seeing those workers without melon guards or leash girdles was just . . . I don’t fuckin know. I wouldn’ta believed it if I hadn’ta seen the photos. And one guy was wearing tennies instead of work boots? I hope they were steel toe sneakers, at least.
This is the end result of people forgetting that every safety regulation is written in blood.
Red tape is red for a reason.
@@untrainedprofessionals2374 When you know that some are written in blood why would you try to guess if the stink coming off a rule is shit or corpse gas?
@@marvintpandroid2213 woah now, dont give red tape any credit. That has nothing to do with saftey only the bureaucrats doing things too fucking slowing and underfunded.
@@untrainedprofessionals2374 like wearing a mask during a pandemic, if it's one way you look like a goofball. If it's the other way, oops you done killed someone. Just a thought.
In our tech manuals if there's a warning or a caution it's because some unlucky asshole got hurt or even killed for that warning/caution to be in the book. I always tell the new guys this, warnings and cautions are written in blood.
This was my crew, I lost some good friends and great coworkers, I have avoided the coverage of this because I still don't want to accept that this happened.
Seeing the boys without their fall arrest and even just their hard hats breaks my heart, the two sons of the owner of the company are the Crane operator( the one filming for his snapchat) and the man in orange underneath Jared( neon high vis) and Cailen (Black t-shirt)
You avoiding the ghoulish humor you could have used and you explained it all while offering criticisms that, if heeded, would mean i would know 4 more living people.
Thanks AvE, you probably won't see this but thank you.
I've never taken safety as a joke after my first fatally. I try to convey this to all on my sites.
The hearts of the riggers in Vancouver go out to all of you, from grieving parents to the grieving co-workers, I hope you can work past this.
@@pilgrimsnest592 Ya like really waht happened
Was that a older Leibherr ?
So sorry for the loss of your friends. My heart goes out to you and their families.
Much Love from 🇬🇧
Normalization of deviance has no place outside of the bedroom.
That statement contradicts current law.
"I remember one time when I was up a crane with a strap-on..."
"There is no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation"
LOL
I put on my robe and wizard hat. /s/wizard/hard
I was always the jerk that told my guys that "I'd rather fire you than have to call your wife"
I like this, simple and to the point.
I'm keeping this one.
I actually don't mind calling the wife... 😛
@@jacobcastro1885 True that. Depends on what the wife looks like...
@@16v15 Or for what. I am very sure Metallug33 meant to say that the guy was not coming home from work that day or ever.
As a journeyman crane operator l know that the buck stops with me, none of this happens if I dont let it.
Respect
Correct
I am a retired IUOE local 49
We have the final say
TRUTH!
Copy that....never been hurt,and never hurt a mate...and don't intend to...
@@howardiknow1133 Thank you sir for beeing a decent fella! I sleep better knowing that you guys are up there. Or more precise I feel better walking next to construction
AvE just casually mentioning Diane Vaughan's concept of normalised deviance. Jens Rasmussen's work on migration to boundary is also excellent in examining how systemic failures to assert proper control of safety leads to normalised deviance and accidents. (J. Rasmussen, "Risk Management in a Dynamic Society: A Modelling Problem", Safety Science Vol. 27, 1997.
the report on Enbridge Kalamazoo stated a culture of deviance. Its more common that people believe as they willingly participate. This is the world we made not academics
I made my crew watch this, I called it a safety video.
I used to put up communications towers. I always laughed when people told me "I couldn't do that, I'm scared of heights". My reply, "I'm terrified of heights, it's what keeps me alive!" I always thought it was funny i could eat lunch hanging on th side of a tower 300' up, perfectly comfortable, and be terrified going up a ladder at home. On the tower, I had safety gear, used it and trusted it.
I say this when working roofing gigs or doing arborist work. "Being scared of heights makes me the perfect guy for the job, I'm terrified of what could happen and take every measure to avoid it."
For the few people who read this; I wear a helmet on the ladder at home. Consider doing it yourself. Saw a guy crack his egg open coming off a ten footer, don't want to go out like that.
The most dangerous thing the common homeowner owns is a ladder. Many are very inexperienced in their use and they aren't proficient at climbing them or setting them up correctly. I'd climb any comm tower in the world precisely b/c most are designed to be climbed and they are engineered with your safety in mind.
I do residential roofing and gutter installation. I spend my days on ladders and pitched slopes. I've got more time climbing ladders and roofs than some people do walking on the ground and I'm still very cautious and deliberate when climbing them or stepping onto/off the roof. If you're gonna fall, that transition is where its going to happen.
Fear keeps you focused and aware of the risks. It's when you get comfortable you get complacent. I go 50-60ft up manlifts on a semi-regular basis (you tower boys have balls) and I can feel that pucker start to clench above 30ft. Keeps you from doing stupid things.
I do not blame you, Far too many people die at HOME, on a ladder, or rather backwards off it. :(
the bottom 4 rungs of a ladder kill more people than anything
"There's no hero award for savin the boss an hour of labor."
I work in fast food and this couldn't be more true.
It is such a poignant statement that so many people don't understand. It encompasses the kiss-ass types that look at management like parents, and the too-cool-for-school types that also look at management like parents, but through the eyes of rebellious teenagers. I have both of those at work right now as an exterminator. One guy brags about how he washes his nitrile gloves and reuses them because he is saving the company money, and the other constantly handles very dangerous pesticides with no gloves because he is a dumb 20-something that doesn't care.
First guy is stupid because no one gives a shit that you saved a billion dollar corporation a few $.05 pairs of gloves a day, it's their fucking job to supply them, so if we are so short on supply then bitch until we get what we need, because the Department Of Agriculture sure will bitch YOU out for reusing them all day. Second guy is stupid because he doesn't seem to understand that the CIDE in PESTICIDE means KILL, and he's close enough to a pest at this point to where the shit may start working on him. PPE makes you look like a nerd, but no one looks cool dead.
You work with hot things, sharp things and assholes all day, don't ever turn your back on a drunk person. Stay safe.
Taylor, thank you for your service.
Cruel nature of an employer has been emphasised during this pandemic lockdown, as no matter how much did the employee contributed to the employer, the employer could never spare them not even for a month
@@Blueshirt38 Sometimes the second guy in your example is trained that way by the old "it's how we did it in my day" guard. Failure to update from management - or directly from the training supervisor. Young guys just want to fit in with the team and feel good working. It is stupid that they don't stand up for themselves and their safety but sometimes they don't feel they can. I dunno, but it's a shame in any case. I could be wrong obviously and prioritize safety over fitting in but it's cost a few jobs.
Jacking tower cranes is serious business. The crane must be balanced and there have been a lot of accidents because of this. Having qualified techs and iron workers familiar and experienced in these procedures is critical.
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And yet Kelowna is famous for extremely low wages only capable of attracting extremely inexperienced workers. Been there, done that, literally. Raised there.
Never got the reluctance among some guys to actually do the safety shit. I used to work in a warehouse operating forklifts and order pickers and shit, and I was like the one guy who actually bothered to block areas off, stop working if someone violated my little safety cordon, all that shit, because I'd seen loads shift on badly-made pallets, seen shit fall off the top of a forklift mast at full extension, all that stuff. I actually fell off an order picker something like 20 foot up in the air, and the seraph harness snatching my balls wasn't pleasant, but it was a lot more pleasant I'd imagine than exploding my ankles when I hit feet first on the concrete.
Very important to make sure the thigh straps are adjusted right. There are stories of guys wearing loose harnesses and rupturing testicles when the arrestor catches.
@@ATSaale Exploding Nutsack, this is a fighting style like Drunken Monk?
Yep that's why Home Depot Requires it and I always understood it and then it forever changed how I thought about it when I had a poorly wrapped pallet fall off 12 feet in the air and nearly pushed a pallet off the opposite aisle rack Gates for safety are critical
"There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence."
Worse yet is when boss or management cuts corners on safety
There is much truth to that. A part of the problem in my mind is when the rules get a bit overzealous, then people start breaking them because they are a trivial difference in safety, but a major one in productiveness. Breaking even the little rules often leads to disregard of more important ones. It's a balancing act to me, safe enough to save lives, but not so constrictive that people just say fuck it.
@@animefreak5757 read up on Dupont safety and the pyramid concept. How do you keep a guy from crawling into a piece of equipment and getting killed? By stopping 30,000 incidents of people not using handrails, waking outside safety lanes, using the wrong hand tool, not coiling hoses up, etc.
@@chrismorris8695 "Crawling into a piece of equipment and getting killed" reminded me of two incidents that occurred in Kitchener, Ontario in the summer of 1999. There were two young men, at different commercial bakeries, who were killed while cleaning mixing machines. In both cases, the machines were not locked out first, and another young man accidentally closed the powered access door, and then turned on the machine while trying to open it again. And those were just the incidents that made the local newspaper.
Lesson: Always lock out machines before going inside them to perform any work.
Nicely said.
"...There is no hero award for saving the boss an hour of labour." Well said!
Sadly there's lots of waaaay too eager workers out there that truly believe there is a hero award.....
One night I'm pulling through a work zone in the port of Jacksonville Florida on my way to a ship pump out and all of a sudden a 5 foot long pinch bar comes through the roof of my tractor and misses getting me by about a foot, instead of finding out what happened some port authority guy comes over and loses his shit yelling at me "move my rig", when I ask him about the bar he tells me he "doesn't care where I carry my tools", I pointed to the hole in the roof and said "what about this" finally he gets it, WTF huh?
Safety unfortunately gets treated like it applies to everyone else by many people, numerous times workplace injury or death occur from no fault of the victim which makes accidents even more devastating, people may be doing things by the numbers but get taken out by another careless worker, kind of like pinch bar coming through a roof of a truck.
I'm glad you are still around to post!
thats the problem indeed. Most of the time the idiot dosnt score the darwin award, he just gets someone else f*cked for life or killed. If you dont wear your safete harnes and you drop, then thats your own fault. But what happens is they hit someone else and they kill that person as wel. And then there is the cleanup crew, noone wants to clean that shit up.
But offcourse they keep saying its my life i put on the line, what are you whining about. And if they say that you should just kick them straight out of the job site, and i mean literally kick them out, make sure they dont dare coming back. If they drop something like in your case they can take someone out, if they drop themselfs they might take someone out. And if they drop while working on something together with you they might actually pull you down with them or make a heave piece of machinery slam in to you.
Safety feels most important only in hindsight.
Wow!!! You are so lucky to be alive it's not even funny. Did you find out how that pinch bar was dropped threw you're roof of your rig? Curious
@@douglasmacomber6881 There was a crew about 100 feet above me that were setting an expansion tank for a hot oil transfer system, they ignored the protocol of having a catch net in place for falling objects, to my knowledge they were given a pass by their safety dept, from what a reliable source told me they did it because there were no injuries and the damage was under some dollar figure, $2K, unreal huh?
Some great contributors here. I spent more time reading the comments here than I did actually watching the video.
Not only a breakdown of the management but any company that refuses to learn from others mistakes? How many crane collapses before you stop and think, jeeze what are my boys up to on my sites? Thanks AvE! Keep safe.
Problem is after the coof hit quality control and safety have got right the feck out of the equation, part of it is a new generation of wannabie hardass foremen& managers with an ego to prove, and a mountain of stupidity.
The managers don't give a $hit because they aren't the ones who'll die! The grunts can be replaced so we don't give a $hit
I wouldn't put all the blame on management. You shouldn't have to ride herd on a bunch if grown ass men to get them to work safe. And it's usually(but not always) the guys ignoring safety rules, at least in my experience.
@@hossmcgregor3853 Leadership sets the standards and expectations. It isn't what they preach - it's what they tolerate. Clearly they tolerated far too much and WSBC is going to do more than slap their hands. (Rightfully so).
@@hossmcgregor3853 you’re right. The idea that these guys wore no hard hats or fall protection is not managements fault alone. It’s lack of common sense. I don’t need management to enforce rules designed to protect ME. I wear and use my PPE because of me not wanting to get hurt or killed on the job.
I prefer to call it Bluetooth fall arrest.
Tied off to god
Jesus take the harness
The main problem with Bluetooth is the signal lag from oh shit until activation. There is some goofy physics that comes in to play here, where the Bluetooth fall arrest doesn't kick in until the user stops falling.
ouch
you just gotta spend the big bucks to get the good receivers with no latency
As a young man who works with his brother, I can’t imagine both of us going out like this. Rest In Peace, boys.
Part of my job is making sure the rules are adhered to, and it fuckin sucks. Hate it. Hate telling grown men how they should be doing their job. This is a good reminder that it doesnt matter if I hate it, it's needed to keep people alive.
@@fredmercury1314 I'm not sure what Canada's requirements are, but in the US, doing the required daily equipment check per OSHA1926.1412(d) would have caught the issue and ceased operation until it was addressed.
You hate it because WorkSafe allows the people you deal with to treat you like shit. I’ve been a Safety Officer. Everybody despises you.
WorkSafe allows that corrosive situation to fester. Because they are lazy, useless retards who are nowhere to be found on site.
If they were serious about saving lives, they’d have a representative on every site until people stopped dying. Then perhaps scale back their presence in tiny increments once they’ve scared the shit out of management and the owners.
But they won’t. Because those workers who died in this incident don’t mean jack shit to them.
Looking at you, WorkSafe. Ya lazy, pusillanimous, third-rate office jockeys. Put on your hard hats, ya lazy, over-salaried bags of puke.
You could have prevented this with your presence. Too bad you hate people too much to do so.
It is here too the problem is becoming complacent and breezing through your daily checks because "everything is always fine so why wouldn't it be today"
@@nathanrice7352 Problem starts with the lead man and the operator, no compliance person is going to climb that tower, they could however monitor the crew with a drone these days, there's no excuse.
@@Peter-V_00 Cranes require a qualified person to do the inspection(meaning trained and certified for that inspection). It's his ass on the line for failures like this. Still also falls on compliance/management for not verifying it was being done properly.
"We the unwilling, led by the unqualified, Kill the unfortunate, Die for the ungrateful"
I've done everything with nothing, and accomplished soo much with less,
I am now qualified to accomplish soo much with nothing, and achieve little with everything.
@@seanstrain1 We the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do everything with nothing.
Lol ,really it's sad BUT true
@@darthstatic Man if that isn't the truth.
Any chance you'll be having a chat about what happened down in Surfside, Florida with the condo building?
The same thing happened in Surfside. The rules weren't followed concerning the repair and certification of the condo building. The last I heard, there were 90 souls needlessly lost when that building collapsed.
No doubt
@Brain Damaged Flies what truth would that be? That rebar is succecptible to corrosion, and that corrosion will cause concrete, a rather brittle material to expand heavily and crumble.
Look up Building Integrity. Best analysis I've seen.
@Brain Damaged Flies if the state wanted to assassinate someone they wouldn't make global headlines in the process. A simple traffic accident, one of thousands every day, would suffice.
couldn't agree more with this video, rest in peace to my best friend Cailen, and the four others that died
I work in a big box warehouse. Recently I've been advocating for folks to actually wear their fall arrester harnesses when working in the EWP. Folks keep saying it takes to long to put it on. My response has been "are you not getting paid for the time to put the damn thing on?" usually shuts them up and gets them to put it on.
Sterile Cockpit Rule: is a procedural requirement that during critical phases of flight (normally below 10,000 feet (3,050 m)), only activities required for the safe operation of the aircraft may be carried out by the flight crew, and all non-essential activities in the cockpit are forbidden.
Blowies legal above 10001ft? 🤔
And that came about due to a crash where the air crew were chatting it up in the cockpit on landing and failed to notice a Cessna in their way (PSA 182)
@@RawTopShot this is the hard hitting community commentary aVe viewers provide
@@bugdrvr Eastern Air flight 212 was an even more egregious example of unnecessary distractions.
@@RawTopShot that would be under 14 CFR § 121.542(e)
I work in the railroad industry as a safety trainer - serious injury and fatalities spike around 12 to 15 years of service… complacency kills. Every single rule in the 278 page employee safety manual is written in blood.
I bet one was written by an incompetent insurance manager.
My aunt got some finger's chopped off by a coupling working for the railyard. She got a hefty settlement for that one as it was not her fault
It's the same in trucking, big spike right after one million accident free miles.
As being one of the paramedics on that day, it was truly devastating
Yours is a tough job, but I have to say that when in medical trouble you are the best sight in the world.
@@judil3294 shut up karen
Joe Ambly
Adam, Thank you for doing what you do. Alot of people including myself cannot do what you do for a living. Upmost respect for you and your profession.
@@larrydunlop378 can't do it cause they rarely hire anyone and when they do hire someone they get put on standby for $2 an hour and if they hang around putting up with that bullshit long enough just maybe you'll get hired on full time. Then you'll spend 90% of your time rescuing ungrateful junkies.
While not knowing who is truly at fault, it pains me to see an operator putting the lives of others at an increased risk for an Instagram post
Social fucken media..... you truly have to wonder just how many accidents around the world are/were caused by a lack in concentration due to it.....
if my coworker is not concerned about their own safety, i want to be nowhere near that
A great mantra. If they do not care for their own safety you have no chance.
These disaster breakdown analysis you cover on this channel are better training than we get at my own plantsite. Don't get me wrong, the classic 80's safety videos are blunt and a good refresher course. But having current examples of how fucked up a situation can really get on a job site due to complacency hits hard in a different way.
Sincerely, a waste treatment operator.
Absolutely baffled that they aren’t wearing harnesses and hard hats. Tower Crane guys are know to be cowboys and anyone who runs an operation like this knows ya gotta keep the boys in line. Needless loss of life. Sad.
If im working at heights sometimes its safer to take off the lid.
If nothing is working above you on some sites you are allowed to not wear one.
Reason its safer is because hard hats can fall off pretty easily, and from that height it could kill someone.
Even if you ratchet it on tight it can randomly loosen and fall off when you look down.
Not being tied it is stupid af though.
Pretty sure it would be mandatory in British Columbia.
@@ozzplan1327 Then you're wearing the wrong helmet. Try these ua-cam.com/video/AvFLlWUIRmE/v-deo.html
Check out my post above...it explains it all. There's nothing baffling about it at all...sadly.
@@fredmercury1314 it depends on where the men were when the upper section fell to the ground. The reason why it’s outrageous to me is that they had forethought and intended to NOT tie off themselves before they left the ground. It shows they had no regard for safety standards in the first place. In the US (no idea the rules in BC/CA) even in situations where a worker doesn’t have to be tied off all the time (communication tower construction or scaffold erection) the worker ALWAYS has to wear his gear even if he doesn’t use it every moment. It would be the same thing as an F1 racing driver not wearing his harness. He only NEEDS it in the event of a crash but always wears it.
Five people lost their lives. The fifth worked in an adjacent building.
I have family on the crew that survived. I was waiting for this one as it is very close to home. Water cooler talk, they were taking it down early because people didn't want to pay for crane time. My family member is getting out of construction after this because of things you just listed.
My step grandson was one of the fatalities….as an OH&S I am beyond furious
@@colleenpritchett6914 I am so sorry to hear.
@@colleenpritchett6914 My deepest condolences to your family.
@@colleenpritchett6914 Prayers and my deepest condolences for your great loss
@@colleenpritchett6914 So sorry to hear that. Sending love from an electrician in California.
The crane operator cared more about the likes on instagram than doing his job right and safe...
@@MAGAMAN I disagree, it's the app and culture that bought into it, not the phone.
Killed his own brother while he was at it.
I watch several channels in which the operator sets up a camera using clamps, magnets, etc, ; turns on the camera and lets it run until the exercise is over. This is the safe way to do it and not hand holding the camera or phone.
I got swung down into a pile of Aluminium Profiles 6 m high (the pile was 3 high so i did not Fall deep, still nasty enough and Almost impaled). I was unhooking the Beton Wall segments, so i Had to run on top of the wall… and the Operator was chatting With a mate via WhatsApp, and instead of checking if i had moved back already that fuck swung the arm right into me and me down the wall…. He did not Even notice…right back to chatting
@@ckm-mkc Austrian here. That cupholders were banned in Germany is Bullshit. Please dont use other Peoples to bolster your argument, its not cool.
Also Cupholders make a car inherently more safe, thats why talking on handsfree while driving is allowed here while talking with a phone in hand is very much not so. But again, its adding nothing to the conversation to mention some country on th eother side of the worlds laws on unrelated things, so stop that please.
You have large brass balls to dive into this tragic event so close to home. Kudos for not wavering on your continual challenge of the state of affairs
This also goes beyond construction. My wife was using my vehicle to go to school. She was rear ended at a stop street. The young lady under 25 years old expected my wife to do a rolling stop. The traffic cops in my town don't really enforce this problem. I also stop at stop streets. And a few people expecting me to do a rolling stop, because most people do them. Have nearly eaten my hefty tow bar. I am a military veteran. And we were trained to use protective gear. I have had damaged digits over the years, and broken drill bits wizz pass my head. My safety glasses have also caught chips coming off a lathe. Lots of people my age who have not used ear protection, are semi-deaf. I work on, and build 3 Phase pumping controllers. You do not get a second chance with this stuff. I will not work on equipment that has not been properly installed. Safety is a mind set, but the more you take short cuts, the closer that dreadful day comes. Great videos as always, keep safe.
thanks for the comment
I'm new to michigan, the drivers here are nuts, they tailgate,i pull over to let them pass,the next guy does the same, I'm talking 10 to 15 ft at high speeds, not to mention pushing way past the speed limits. i don't mind going 80 in a 70 mph zone but i like some space ,if the car in front of me slams on the brakes i need to be ready. it happens. usually it doesn't ,but legally if you rear end someone NO MATTER WHAT YOUR AT FAULT... period.
on my street i love coming to a full stop for a few seconds to slow people down , i also use cruse control on my 30mph street to slow people down .
When I was a kid riding along with my dad, an owner operator truck driver and, unknowingly, learning the ropes of being one myself, he passed along many safety tips that I still abide by to this day. One of them that I think somehow applies to this tragedy is that you can go down any hill the right way every time but, you can only go down the wrong way once. In other words, do your job safely, not only for yourself but, for others too. Be safe out there everyone!
yup. me too. "an accident only has to happen once" is my motto
Such a shame that someone’s loved one won’t be coming home. RIP
No, it's a CRIME that someone's loved one won't be coming home. Those responsible need time in prison to think about this.
@@evensgrey And to make others think twice and to take their responsibilities seriously.
It was a family construction business. Both sons were killed in the accident. One son was the crane operator. I think that's payment enough. Perhaps they will be slapped with major fines and their business may never recover.
@@mbb6047 Payment enough for the other two sons of someone, you mean?
@@mbb6047 their business sure as fuck has no purpose in the construction industry, this much is clear, there ain't no do-over here
Maybe we should not allow owners of cranes (who see the financial aspect in greater clarity) or relatives of owners, to be operating said cranes. We do not let Doctors operate on their own relatives. Were not two of the deaths direct relatives (or owners) of the Crane Company? The company lost enough without life being involved. Having said that this might not be operator rushed error. But Occam's Razor indicates such an outcome. Wait for the inquest for a better, educated decision.
The gross negligence in this video is disgusting.
No but instagram and tiktok are more important than my life aren't they
your mom isnt in the video
We have to wear fall restraint on bridges over 12ft. Can't imagine working in the f**kin clouds without it.
I drive a flat bed truck, i can't get on the deck of my trailer on most properties without a fall arrestor.
@@doggfite where on earth do you work? I don't know anyone that's had such a request made of them, and if would be appreciated by most if a proper location was available with a useful tie off.
@@jaydunbar7538 this is at various customer facilities.
Most places either require fall protection and provide overhead rigging, or they do not allow me on the deck of the trailer at all while I am on their property.
Diamond Salt is one such company.
This is in the USA, also.
@@doggfite Similar rules at some places here in Aus, can't get within 2 metres of an open edge (even a drop deck trailer) without protection and permits etc. Seems crazy at first but it really doesn't take much of a fall and knock to the head to turn you into a vegetable for the rest of your life!
We wear one for anuthing over 6 feet,....
When I worked as a tower crane operator in Greenland. I was less then 3 feet from being hit in the neck/ass by the pointy end of a crane arm when it collapsed. It was a 35 meter tower crane that was being constructed on the work site just next to where I was. I was impressed by the tempo in wich this crew was erecting this crane. It was something like 1 - 1.5 hour from arriving untill the fucker was done. Fast AF. But it turned out that someone 'forgot' to connect the counterweight proberly/ or at all.. so the safety check procedure was done before it started. 800 kg weight was put on the hook and they started lifting. Nothing happened.. the 800 kg the move an inch.. but the crane arm did. Actually it moved ALOT.. aaand BOOOM.. down it came. Funny story I know but I still find it hard to laugh.
That'd fill you're pant's up with shit !!!!!!
In dec a building in London Ontario collapsed and here it is almost a year later an still no answers, 2 men died if you google it you will find that the ministry had issued 27 requirements and three orders to be completed on the site but still no answers to why it failed. Also a few weeks ago a pain of glass killed a man in Toronto but no more mention of that either, it seems once it happens we are headlines then quickly brushed aside to keep the industry moving. I have been in construction for over 20 years and its just simple to explain why all this happens 1- hire unskilled people to pay less in wages to do a do a skilled trades job here's an example an apprentice is the foreman. 2-cutting corners and using cheaper material that's not spec to save a dime and 3- no leadership just a bunch of workers doing the job and goofing around case in point I once kicked the bosses kid off site for wearing headphones, he didn't here me screaming his name and another time I fired a kid for back talking when I asked him to wear his hard hat. They may hate ya and course ya out but they will live another day!
sounds like non-union to me
This tragedy was preventable and now has become a valuable learning lesson. As a Mother to a son that was in construction work, Please wear your PPE and be safe because no Mother wants to bury their child when this was 10000% preventable.
Thanks AVe for summing up our collective feelings on this event. Such a tragic failure of process… that cell phone footage is just unbelievable.
You are paid to put the harness on. Its not like you have to put the harness on, on your own time, while multitasking on the shitter. Hell, you are even paid time on the clock to double check your harness and your friend's harness.
Hell, what’s this about unpaid shitter time?
How about: “Take at least the same care and attention on your safety as you would taking a crap on the clock.”
Im not saying harness dont work but in this situation i dont think a harness matters when your harrnessed to the part falling.
@@TheDmantheman100 What about the guy climbing down afterwards? He was using his fall protection. Was it no help?
@@TheDmantheman100 Of course, but lack of adherence to basic safety procedures is always a red flag; if they're not bothering to enforce use of harnesses, what other corners are they cutting?
In this case, unfortunately, it appears to have been "proper and rigorous training on how to raise/lower a tower crane".
@@IstasPumaNevada i honestly dont care its not my problem.
From a retired safety professional. In my opinion this clip needs to be used at all induction in construction, a bit of foul language but then what construction workers would not understand that. Sometimes, to drive a very poignant point home anger has to be displayed. Well done Lad. Please disseminate this.
From what I heard, two of the employees that were killed were actually son's of owner of the construction company. That may help shed some light on a few things.
I’ve never quit a job because I felt safe, but I damn sure have left some because they weren’t!
Wow the Instagram stuff. Just wow. The safety harness too. The lack of climbing helmets too. The whole operation was a S show.
Climbing without a fall arrest system is absolute madness in this day and age.
Something something bamboo scaffolding videos
There is the mindset of just not caring anymore and giving up on doing things correctly. Management can get so burnt out from chasing problems and people that don’t listen that either a time shortage or care shortage takes a sabbatical. I have experienced this first hand from both sides. There are also a billion rules to follow nowadays which makes adhering perfectly, doubly hard, from both sides, all while watching money disappear in comparison to intake. Builds toward failure.
Thank you for your candid review of this accident. I used it for a safety meeting today and some very valuable discussion resulted .
“It’ll never happen” the scariest thing ever said on site
I don't know "Don't worry, I know what I am doing" is pretty scary too.
Reminds me of a time the fork operator was doing something dumb with a big boiler, told the old timer he's done it plenty of times...... Old timer says "well what if it slips this morning"...... Yep, it sure did..... Luckily nobody got hurt, just some damage.....
"We've always done it like this"
Nobody says, "It'll never happen." because we all know these things happen. What they says is essentially, "It'll never happen to me." Eveyrbody thinks they are above average, you see.
How do you make a skeptic blush? Tell 'em its an easy job and they'll be home by lunch.
Families losing loved ones is the end result, just awful.
When I first saw this, I thought "wtf another one?" Now that I've seen those guys without ppe, and the Instagram posting, I'm no longer surprised that this accident happened. I'm actually pretty pissed off. This is unacceptable. Come on guys/gals. Do you job right, wear your safety gear, and stop getting yourselves killed all the damned time. The person your equipment lands on and kills doesn't have any control of this, and you have to show some professionalism and protect the public AND yourselves.
This wasn't an "accident," it was the expected result of the worker's actions.
"Normalization of Deviance" sounds like a more mangement-friendly way of saying "Complacency Kills", which looks like what happened here.
"Deviance" means deviating from norms and requirements in an active manner, while "complacency" is more tied to laziness and lack of interest in a passive manner. While the two are often interconnected and just as deadly, deviance is more preventable, as known safety issues are actively ignored.
"Normalization of Deviance" is my favourite new punk band.
"Complacency Kills" is pretty awesome too.
@@CraftAero Thanks for the laughs!
Well said.
@@CraftAero complacency kills should be the name of normalization of deviance's debut single.
@@jasonirwin4631 The flip-side will be "Long Way Down".
I know a guy who got kicked out of meetings because he kept bringing up the fact a school roof was in dire need of replacement after many years of patching.
You've got the rest of your life to adhere to safety rules.
Yes, we do. Thanks for the eye opening.
Safety procedures and protocols are written in blood.
It all starts with early training. If safety wasn’t taught in the beginning of a career to be normal, then safety precautions are just a useless step that becomes a hassle for that person.
I'm a red seal millwright, and because of "feelings", I'm not going to tell my experience with crane operators and iron workers. All I'll say is that this accident is by no means surprising, and my WSIB checks are still being paid.
I'm a contracter millwright, but I specialize in belt conveyors and emergency breakdowns. I feel like the Millwright trade has a lot of professionals which I include myself in.
So you're a jack of all trades and master of none. Got it.
@@johnsmithson8020 lmao, someone is a Preventive Maintenance Mechanic and a little jelly of the pros.
As horrible this is to say, as a Canadian unionized carpenter/ scafolder, the only time i ever almost fall is because my lanyards got hung up on something... Until two weeks ago i was building a hanging scaffold and 30 pound steel pipe was dropped on my head, lost my hard hat in the river below, ficking thank the lord i was tied off
Yup, annoying as fuck until it suddenly isn't.
Hope you’re okay. It only needs to work once to be worth it. Take a day off see your family/friends/kid.
Thank yourself too for doing the right thing. Hat on, harness tied, good on ya.
They have less concern about safety than my company does and we're just janitors.
Theres no ppe that would help anyone if that boom goes over, they all were likely aware of that
@@ferrallderrall6588 unfortunately that’s not all that could happen.
@@ferrallderrall6588 Incorrect.
The attitude, mindset and culture that led to those guys not wearing ppe, is EXACTLY the same attitude, mindset and culture that got them killed.
Wearing ppe might not have saved them, but had they been wearing ppe, not dicking around with their phones etc, they would likely have also taken the steps necessary to stay alive.
@@stevenkelby2169 You put it perfectly. Part of being a good professional is self-discipline. In hazardous occupations, it’s also part of having a long and healthy life with all your appendages intact.
@@stevenkelby2169 so what exactly got them killed Steve tell me that,if you dont knoq the get fuked with your safety Sally spech buddy tying of to a static load is one thing and if it ever goes dynamic then all the ppe in the world ain't gonna do shit.are you new?
A bunch of Mr Billy Badassers and probably a foreman that didn't care either. It's that shit culture in construction to get the job done fast and good enough, but completely wrong that pulled me out of that industry. It's literally on every jobsite across America and Cananada from the top of this crane to home construction all the way down to digging ditches. It's distilled mediocrity and it pisses me off.
It's even worse in south and Central America, this " Safety First," that companies spout off as lip service, the days of un safe work sites is over man. Time to put corporate money behind what you say or get sued into the dust bin. Another company will gladly rise to the occasion and fill the void with safety as top priority, I too had to be wiped into the safe culture but at the end of the day I really want to go home to my family, whether the plant is running or not.
I'm not a crane operator, but I play one on Instagram.
This needs to be played on repeat for incoming persons as well as a required learning topic for all upper management.
Crane operator was the company owners kid and as was one of the other workers who lost their lives in this tragedy. Five confirmed dead
Unfortunately they learned the hard way
Karma came hard on the company and their workers
My first job as an auto mechanic was for a father and son operation. The son got away with turning up late, hungover, working on his own car, crashing his dad's car at high speed - narrowly missing other road users. I got my pay docked for being late, had tools thrown at me and generally abused.
Seem's to be a common problem in those kind of companies.
@@P_RO_ I worked construction for my parents company in my teens/20s... you described my dad to a T, twice as hard on me as anyone else. Didn't get it then, I do now.
The owner lost two sons? Damn, that is harsh. The man is also likely to be sued and fined as well, it's tough to be hard in him given the loss, but he should have been more diligent with his sons and employees safety. I am sure he knows that now poor guy.
As a critical lift specialist in the wind industry, the complete disregard for life, both up-tower and down-tower, is disgusting. "Dog Everything" is a real thing, unfortunately so is "Congratulations, you just killed your co-workers"
I like your straight forward approach. Everyone tries to sugar coat everything.
I'd get fired in the patch, as a welder contractor, if I go up in a manlift without my harness on. Or a valid fall arrest and ariel work platform ticket.
I seen a fitter get fired in the patch for sitting on top of a 6 ft ladder.
@@garythomas529 I HAD a co-worker who did this. We are up and down ladders all day hanging gutters. Once he was done with one piece he would just sit on top doing nothing like the job was done or something. He was just a helper but when I was ready for him to do the next piece now I'm waiting for him to climb down, move the ladder and walk to where I need him. It was super annoying. I had to tell him to get down over and over when he was done with something.
Boom lift tickets..lol..
I got my first one 20 odd years ago, actually had to study the regs and sit a test/demonstrate I was competent.
Few years back they switched the regulatory body that handled licencing and I didn't realise so my ticket expired,my boss at the time sent every guy in the company to get certified.
20 odd of us in a room,the guy running the show is reading out answers to the test so nobody fails.
They have 1 boom lift ,I think at best everyone got 5 minutes experience/assessment but I'm pretty certain some of the young guys walked away with a ticket and no actual practical experience.
@@frankryan2505 Sounds like forklift certification.
As a member of the safety committee at work, this is going to be the tool box talk for tomorrow.
Yeah me too, this one's going up
Retired carpenter here after 30yrs
I'm so glad I got out when I did , these kids coming into the trade made me want to retire ASAP.
They know everything about everything in just a few months.
As a former General Foreman I agree 100% about who should “own” this tragedy. “Quality culture breeds quality product” doesn’t just make the owners rich, it keep us all alive. Poor culture(the “its just....” guys) guarantees repeated “small” deviations from standards will eventually multiply into the cascading failure events which so often lead to industrial accidents and workplace deaths.
Gavel, That theory is called the safety pyramid. Where all those minor infractions, accidents eventually will lead to a major accident/fatality given enough time.
Well, this is just one of the many reasons i have uninstalled all social media apps on my phone. Being angry at strangers is best performed while sitting down in front of a real keyboard.
Yes, the normalization of deviance is exactly right. Today I was watching out of my window at the stonemason working at the ridge of the chapel opposite me. He dropped his mallet and I watched in horror as it fell between the scaffold planks to the scaffold level below, bounced then fell through that level, and finally land at the feet of his apprentice below. Both of them were also wearing the invisible hard hats. Luckily though, the apprentice had a fluorescent jacket so the mallet could see him.
PPE is supposed to be last line of defence. Tool lanyards exist, barracading, hording and other edge protection exists.
In my 35+ years of construction consulting on 100s of jobs I have noticed one universal safety factor. When the project manager's bonus is tied in some significant way to project safety, they find a way to fund safety equipment and prioritize safety, and safety training. This is nearly universal on project over $100M and almost unheard of on projects under about $10-20M. More common now than in the 80s when I started, but still very dependant on getting a boss that has a stake in it. Because you know damn well the boss was not in that cab when it went down.
no but two of his sons were.
@@monkeygroceries Yup, and he will live with that on his conscience for the rest of his life. Which may be spent in jail, if he cut corners on training or equipment.
@@monkeygroceries damn, thats rough
THANK YOU, AvE! You are my Crane Guy. Disciplinary write-ups were de rigueur at my plant for everything from no safety squints, no ear plugs, no gloves, no jacket. And our feet never left the ground in the course of a day. When you see a whole crew "going bare-back" like these guys, it's always a sign of deeper, hidden problems. Hidden until someone dies.
Very tragic no doubt. What the cell phone vid shows is a complete lack of self awareness which unfortunately is epidemic in today’s society. Prepare for much worse.
I once saw someone trying to take a selfie while doing a 5" core through a wall.... its probably only the fact that it was a fancy hired Hilti with a clutch my car would kill for that stopped him breaking his wrist. I wouldn't 1-handed core a 5 incher for all the tea in China! 👀
endemic
It's the opposite I'm afraid: it's modern society's narcissistic individual self-obsession that clouds their minds - they are extremely concerned with how much others LIKE them and approve of their conduct...on social media
@@mor4y I bet the wife does though 😉
I'm not a crane operator, but I play one on Instagram.
my friends brother was killed because the captain of the trawler he worked on decided to remove the iron ballast's from the boat to fit more catch in the holds..... THE FUCKING BALLAST! shockingly, the boat flipped and all lost to the sea.
DR: That is playing russian roullette with all the cylinders loaded. The boat IS going to capsize.
I'm sorry your brother died because of idiots. Criminally stupid management is something I've seen too. Morons who will do anything for a buck are the first people I get away from
Sorry to read about your tragic loss. I have lost count of the times I have refused to use modified and dangerous equipment. I maintain it is the main reason I have survived the drilling industry.
@@KB4QAA That's called Polish Roulette.
@@KB4QAA Not if you have a ballast made of fish.
Absolutely devastating that an innocent person next door lost their life from this. Especially seeing such careless and reckless behavior posted to social media.
It is not a German culture to say “safety’s first” … it is an slang from U.S. … now just do it.
All time there are more than “one failure” to bring the plane down.
Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪… I agree to Mr. AvE.
Good luck for a better World together. Nobodies needs to be first. Perhaps thats it. It will only cost lives to safe money.
More job sites are banning non essential phone use for a reason
The top building tie looks to be terribly out of kilter, which in itself does not fair well, and by the look of the remaining tower it would appear that the slew ring up has possibly sheared off somehow?? In questionably the most dangerous operation of the tower crane industry (jumping and lowering), it's a relatively safe procedure...something has gone terribly awry here, and I'll be looking forward to the investigation and overall outcome of cause.
PS, just saw the series of pics, yea she sheared off alright 😔😔😔😔 keep up the great no BS reports Ave, love your style. Cheers from Aus!!!!
The top tie would have moved when it broke normaly the ties are chained up so if they fail the dont fall down the mast takeing the lower ones out with them
Definitely would assume that it was knocked loose by falling crane debris. The photos of the mast show it bent part way up so I'd guess the ring moved and pulled the tower inward
I feel like that footage from the cab is gonna be rather important when this makes its way into a court.
Absolutely Daniel, throw in there the complete lack of PPE really tells an overall story of the company taking the crane down.
@@glennmonk5421 And the General Contractor who is responsible for overall site safety and should have had this operation under eagles eye
@@glennmonk5421 not just the crane company. It's like a disease in kelowna... worked here for years. It was only a matter of time. Profit before safety mentality
Aaaaaand it's gone.
The lack of safety is probably through lack of experience. Cheaper to risk amateurs at lower wages than actually take this seriously and hire professionals. Now they will see the true costs, go bankrupt and screw the families out of compensation.😔
As a retired Ironworker (local 625) this more then just sucks, something just reaks to high heaven about all these failures cuz the amount is off the charts way to high, in 30 years I don’t remember this many, we don’t mind gambling but the deck looks marked against these boys, breaks my fuckin heart
too much construction, not enough people who truly know what they are doing with specialized work like this, would be my guess. Things need to slow down a bit, at least here in BC
My cousin was one of those operators. I think the one without any safety gear tbh 😪
Thank you for this explanation and compiling this evidence of his company's utter lack of enforcing safe working conditions and safety regulations.
I am fucking livid now 🤬
I can see the job site and what’s left of the crane from my patio, sorry about your cousin. I was young and invincible at one time too, I think I just got lucky.
Andrew I am so sorry for your loss! Thoughts and prayers to your family. The onus isn’t entirely on the company alone, though yes they should have been enforcing safety policies. We all have an obligation to ourselves as well to take responsibility for our own safety when working in dangerous conditions to avoid absolutely tragic accidents like the one that took place. Each of those men should have known better than to be up there without proper safety gear. It is a horrible reminder of how quickly things can go wrong and lives can be lost if we don’t. My heart goes out to all those affected by this totally preventable accident. So many lives lost 😢
This was in my area, the oldest guy was 32 and the news said he’d only be doing it a couple years. Two of the guys were the owners sons. I saw the videos and was shocked by the lack of PPE, that didn’t cause the accident, but it sure did indict they’re care.
One was 23, and his first day on that job.
I worked as a tower crane operator for one of the biggest companies in Israel. They upped crane height from 70 meters to 120 meters and put supporting beams not right. They knew it. I was a young operator back then and a woman (which apparently cost me some brain cells in their opinion), so I called and said I can't and won't work on this crane - it's not stable and it WILL disassemble in a catastrophic event. They fired me, saying " I am a stupid woman". This crane collapsed after a month, it was a miracle it happened on Saturday.
The world needs more "stupid women" like yourself in the jobs that matter. I hope the company that fired you paid big time for their stupidity... though somehow I doubt it.
He was an unexperienced crane operator and the guys doing the lowering of the mast were inexperienced as well. Instead of calling in the professionals like they should have to dismantle the sections they decided to do it themselves. Total failure of management, trying to save a few dollars and a bit of time. Not worth Patrick his brother and the 4 other lives lost. Sadly I worked on a tower very close to that one rigging for a tower crane as thats what I do, super nice guys when I got to meet them. Unfortunately it was their father's call for them to do this themselves and cost him his 2 sons. Very very tragic.
Honestly? This comment is cruel as hell. Do you think this family is not going through enough? Do you think the dad is not going through hell that his sons are gone? And you're going to point fingers and blame on something you know nothing of? Give your fckn head a shake my friend lost her two brothers and they are SEEING YOUR COMMENTS!!! Go spread hate elsewhere. Know your place. Fkn keyboard warriors. These are the literal nicest people in the world that were affected by this TRAGEDY. Your momma didn't raise you right.
The truth hurts, no regard for their own lives or the lives of those under them. I wonder if Dad's filed for bankruptcy yet.
@@allanj4576 does it bring pleasure to you to be cruel? You must be a really miserable person. I'll pray for you.
@@taylors221 This comment is not "cruel". It's factual.
@@scottwelch1148 wow you must be really close with them all, didn't realize I was speaking to the expert. Keep it to yourself. Literally no one cares about your opinions.
I fell off my ladder at work when it slipped out from underneath me doing midspan. Thankfully our training taught me to strap my belt to the cable and the ladder so my belt that I was dangling from also was holding my ladder up. I was able to reset my ladder and climb down without calling my boss. (Comcast) Safety gear matters is right.
And you Comcast guys probably encounter the craziest places in houses and what not. Good that you saved yourself!
We were given fall arrest training for using the bucket truck at work. I can still hear the instructor telling us the story of a guy that slipped down the steps of a ladder, hit the ground standing up, then fell over dead because of the damage to his heart from impact. Whether it's actually true or not doesn't matter, I think of it every time I haul the ladder out or work at heights.
Good ol' slack-wagging midspans. I almost got written up for how I climbed them...until the boss listened and understood my method was safe and sound. I would place my ladder more vertical of the standard "fireman's method" angle...and my span hooks were engaged on, or just above, the strand. As I climbed, the ladder would settle into the correct angle. If it was a really long or terribly slack span, my ladder may be almost completely vertical. If I couldn't get to it that way safely, call for a bucket.
100% ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS use your body belt to lash the ladder wrung to the strand. 23 years in the Telco biz...and I've always made it home safe.
Be safe up there, brother. Think fast, work slow, go home safe.
@@mikeh4245 Tearing your Aorta etc, is instant game over.
I'm an ironworker in Alabama, and seeing this is rough. We don't want anyone getting hurt much less making their kids fatherless. I hope some work place culture changes are initiated so we never have to do another one of these videos.
I just appreciate that you care about this stuff. As a person who works in the trades it doesn’t often seem like people really recognize the danger and the things that we do. I guess it’s because for the most part we’ve gotten good at doing them safely but things still happen and it’s still can be a dangerous place if you don’t pay attention. Most people don’t live with that level of danger in their life, the most dangerous thing people do is drive a car.
I've said it once and I'll say it again. After hanging off the edge of a building for almost a couple hours waiting for the crew to figure out a way to get a cherry picker to were I was I never don't hook in. A bit of extra work and fusing with some lines and a bit of discomfort is well worth the trade off of not splatting on the ground. And I didn't even do anything wrong a piece of sheeting I steeped on just gave way and off I went.
This is why they should be called protections and not regulations.
Doesn’t matter what you call it the people breaking the rules dont want people telling them what to do
@@verifiedhandle9103 yet they are the first to com-lain when they get hurt, and the fastest to sue. I have heard of ppl suing the foreman/site manager because they got hurt because they refused to wear safety equipment even when told they had to and then removed it when the boss wasn’t looking.
As soon as I heard of this crane collapse, I anticipated this analysis from my buddy from Saskatchewan.
I always told my crews that if they fell they would be fired before they hit the ground... for violation of company policy.
I tell my crews that if they don't hit their head on the way down, I will 🤡
In my state of Victoria, Australia the Construction Forestry Engineering and Mining Union CFMEU (The last great union of our country) has a lot of influence over the state labor government and they introduced industrial manslaughter laws that allow managers and owners to be criminally charged and sent to prison for preventable deaths on their watch.
It's amazing how much more many bosses care when it's their lives now on the line too.
Are they actually prosecuting them? Because all the laws in the world mean nothing if they aren't used.
"Our members are dickheads that take shortcuts so we need laws to make bosses force our members to not take shortcuts."
Management is accountable in Canada, since the mine collapse in Nova Scotia, but it's never been enforced.
@@HughMungoose There is enormous internal pressure to be safety conscious in the union, union boys have a reputation of being annoying and too safety orientated on non union sites. The majority of disputes are about safety procedures and I haven't met a single paid up member of our trade unions that match your description.
@@pamdemonia There have already been a couple of convictions since the law was introduced last year. The courts have been trying to prosecute these cases for years but now they have actual teeth.
There are entirely too many videos about collapsed cranes on your channel. I don't mean you should stop making them because the discussions are excellent. I just wish we'd stop having so many incidents that you have to keep commenting on them.
Agreed. Ave and Juan Browne of Blancolirio give excellent reports.
Wow. Everyone in construction should see these accident reviews.