@@docwhogr gods no, as someone struggling with a 2012 AMD C-60 on a side laptop lol. It barely runs 7, and 10 is an utter slideshow even with everything ripped out. It's XP and Linux or bust.
FWIW I think you were missing 3D acceleration the entire time, classiccube should have run much better than that (it does just fine on a 233MHz PPC for example) it appears there is some kernel fiddling needed to get that specific GPU to work properly. Kernel bug 206697, comment 14 may be helpful if you want to continue that adventure.
Agreed, the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 in that laptop is certainly no powerhouse, but it does support OpenGL 1.3 and should be enough to play Classicube or 144p video with proper acceleration.
@@panopolis8051 Unfortunately the Radeon 7500 is just too old for support by lib va-api as written. There is a fallback opengl driver for h.264, but generally youtube uses vp9 these days. It also hasn't been actively maintained for two years. The TLDR: video acceleration is just likely not on the table. Not going to say it can't happen. Just I suspect nobody has put the effort for this specific hardware as old as it is.
@@ThePgR777 I do basic video editing, and I do music composition and recording, on Linux. My father has written some books and he uses Linux for that. I don't currently have a home server, but when I did it was on Linux, streaming my movie collection to multiple TVs in the house. There's plenty you can do with Linux and these days it's really not difficult to do any of this stuff.
@@ThePgR777 I write in my spare time so it would be fine for me. Anyway, it's clearly proof of concept rather than a practical solution but there are a surprising amount of people with old laptops lying around.
@@Jeromeebmost of the time spent too many tinkering for the software to work, instead of doing productive with it, and don't even try to argue if you just doing some basic crap and not something more intensive, linux it's free if you don't value your time
Make sure to run glxinfo to check if gpu acceleration is there. Probably you're running on cpu. Classicube also shows error at 11:56 libglerror: failed to load driver: radeon
@@miaugato93No, fglrx is really not recommended. It should run on r600 or radeon driver, which for him is not working. It could be the kernel lacking the radeon kernel module or Mesa is compiled without radeon and r600 gallium drivers.
My first laptop had a Pentium4 2.4GHz CPU and an NVidia GeForce 4 440MX graphics adapter. It was large, heavy but pretty powerfull. 11:50 Looks like you were missing the Radeon library for 3D. You'd need to add proper Mesa library packages.
Yo, that's the specs of my midtower! Got a HP Compaq D310 Evo with that same CPU and GPU (MX440 64MB DDR). It used to be my main PC back in around 2010 or 11. I still keep it connected to the TV.
I also had the Geforce 4 MX 440 but i wouldn't call it a good card. It's a straight downgrade from the GeForce 3. Half the render output units, half the texture mapping units, 1.5 times lower texture fill rate, 25% lower clock speed.
I don't disagree that modern websites are shit, but the issue was most likely that the video drivers weren't working properly for some reason. (I mean the fact that *_anything_* on that thing *_was_* working is a miracle in it's own right, so it's not surprising) Also, while "modern websites/software use too many resources!" is true, IMO the thing more people should be focussing on is why the 500 tabs you're not focussed on even need to be loaded at all. At any given time you're only using maybe 3-5 tabs. One that's active in whatever window(s) you have focussed, and one or two that might be active doing something in the background like playing a video or music. Every. Single. Other. One. can just be dumped onto the disk, and restored the next time you click on it. (note : *_NOT THROWN AWAY AND REDOWNLOADED_* ) Most websites can be stored with something like singlefile at ~5mb, which means a thousand tabs dumped to the disk would take 5 gigabytes. (I acutally just used singlefile on this very page, it's 3mb. Granted, that doesn't store the video itself, and that is one area where this does get a bit more complicated, but still) What's the difference between restoring 5000 tabs and restoring 1 tab? Fucking. Nothing. *_So why the fuck is it a problem?_* So, yes, websites (and most software) is incredibly wasteful, buuuuut if we just stopped tolerating that browsers load dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of tabs into-memory and actively give them CPU cycles when they're doing *_nothing,_* the problem would be a hell of a lot better. Whether this says something deeply meaningful about society, or just tells us what we already know, (people are lazy and don't really think about shit, letalone bother to improve it even if doing so would be greatly beneficial for everyone including themselves) is an exercise left for the reader.
During the last heatwave, I installed PeppermintOS on an old 32 bit laptop. I also have Antix running on an old 32 bit netbook. And with Falkon as a browser, I have absolutely no problem going on the Internet.
I absolutely love these mad science experiments. Also love how surprisingly usable this is for really light stuff, especially as a low-distraction device for something like writing that can do some things on the Internet but nothing particularly well.
Not as low distraction as you might think. Most of the time I used to spend doom scrolling youtube on my phone, I now spend switching between threads on 4chan on my P4 machine.
These operating systems that don't 'push the processor so hard' are not just great for older machines, but they are great for 'Going Green', too. With a power meter, I was shocked to discover that Windows 3.1 uses a full 10 watts more power than the exact-same computer running DOS 6.11.
Everything before haswell has run its course and takes way too much power to be considered green since these machines lack basic power save features we come accustomed to. These are also on their way to be 10 years old so...
just use computers with ARM SoC or power saving CPU's. Mac Mini with M Processor needs 4 watts in idle, 10 watts for web browsing/watching videos, etc. 20 Watts for Gaming. That's the whole computer, not just the CPU. Same applies ti mini PC with Intel P100. They are just slower than Arm/Mac.
You can do better than a P4! I have a Pentium 133 (non-MMX) running Slackware 11 on a kernel 2.6 with a PCI Radeon 9250 running full 3D. :) Gets 250FPS in glxgears, though I can't get much else running because I only have 64MB of RAM, barely enough to run X with FVWM/TWM.
Why not a modern OS like OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, or ArchLinux32? Even the x86 Raspberry Pi OS? And then do some kernel customization to strip it down to only what’s needed, and using busybox… can go totally wild. That being said, so long as you activate swap for ArchLinux32 you can install it just fine. Usually. Or used to.
@@EirikrTinkerTries RPi OS might work, but usually everything else requires a minimum of at least 128MB to even load the installer. Mainly because of the huge initfs everyone likes to use. I do use a custom 2.6 kernel though, the "stock" one that comes with Slackware 11 is far too bloated to run on 64MB.
@@EirikrTinkerTries between what they are running and the newer stuff, is there any improvements that a p133 could take advantage of or that runs better?
Years after humanity drives itself to extinction there will still be a few Pentium 4 machines dotted about the world cluelessly executing whatever automated tasks they're programmed to execute. They will outlive their power sources.
I’ve been bouncing in and out for the Linux content for a while but this one made me subscribe. I LOVE making old hardware do new hardware things through the power of modern Linux.
10:25 I know firefox is everyone's favorite Linux browser, but I strongly recommend chromium on a system this low spec, from my own experience it runs significantly faster, multiple times faster on certain systems. I don't know if it's something about the core count or the ram or what, but older systems run chromium better than firefox pretty consistently.
@@lucasrem ...thats not applicable, i have a powerful main PC and decent laptops, those can run firefox fine, but what if im using an old machine because i need some hardware related to that, but i also need an internet connection to debug or send the output. for example, i have an old (but really good) printer that only uses parallel for communication, so what i usually do is email myself documents to then print on my old laptop with a parallel port. this process would suck if i used firefox, that computer lagged to a halt last time i tried, but chromium runs like butter, no hitches of any kind. your point is probably applicable to some people, but i feel like most people who could use a cheap $100 laptop, already has a cheap $100 laptop, most people with problems running firefox have those problems since they have to use older machines for various reasons. chromium is a great option for computers with below average hardware.
I own a 2003 Pentium 4 with 1.5 Go of ram and a 120 Ide Hard Drive, It works on Pepermint Linux and can use it sometimes in my garage to watch some videos or download technical PDF. Of course on you tube you need to download the videos as online it is too slow but it works fine. One day I 'll add a ssd drive to see if that makes sense but not sure. Otherwise I own many computers on different linux distros like Bohdi Linux for I3 or Linux mint Mate for 1 st and 2 nd I5 Generations, everything works fine. You can also use your old pentium 4 as a storage device from time to time, it might still help. Thx for keeping old hardwares alive, I really like your channel. A french guy !
I never thought P4 would be usable in this day and age even with Linux, until I tried it and surprised myself a couple years ago (with Lubuntu). Albeit with a somewhat modern PCIe GPU and SSD, and 4GB RAM. With the compositing and video decoding (1440p no less) offloaded to the GPU, it is actually more than serviceable. Not having to write to swap on spinning rust all the time also helps greatly. I can have a handful of UA-cam video tabs open at once and still have memory to spare.
everybody is saying Pentium 4 in their videos and videos' title , but they forget something very important to mention , the socket . There's pentium 4 for socket 478 and pentium 4 for socket LGA775
I noticed while Sean was loading ClassiCube the terminal complained about not being able to load the radeon accelerator driver so it's completely running on software rendering
Great video. Never heard of this distro before so I'm downloading it. I just think the pace of PC HW improvements has slowed. In my lifetime, I went from PCs not existing to the first i3/i5/i7 and it all seemed so fast, but then all these 13 generations since then, tiny changes each gen.
Yeah, absolutely. Imagine trying to 'daily drive' a typical computer from 1992 (386, 4 MB RAM sort of thing) in 2002. On the other hand, try using something from 2014 in 2024 - it won't run the latest AAA games but it shouldn't be too painful overall. I used a 2010 MacBook Pro (Core 2 Duo, not even any Core iX) as my main computer until 2021. It was definitely struggling at the end, but it was still keeping up with basic email/browsing/productivity stuff.
I am far and away not a "computer guy", but this was an absolutely intriguing video. That was nifty watching what all that old thing could handle running a Linux distro. I've only been dabbling with Linux, specifically Mint 22, for about a month now, and it has changed my life. I'm so glad I dropped windows. Linux is the best rabbit hole I've gone down in a long time. The devs for Mint 22 did a great job making the install very user friendly. And now, seeing there's a potential to revive "ancient" computers is so groovy. The world of Ubuntu/Linux is brilliant! Thanks for a fantastic lil vid sir!
Is 768 the max amount of RAM this machine supports? Also, if you want to play UA-cam videos on ancient hardware you're better off using yt-dlp to download them and then using mplayer or mpv to play them locally.
Maybe using something like jwm or fvwm will help: XFCE4 is using already about 50% of your RAM! Those extra hundreds of MB of RAM can help a bit with performance
I ended up using a Pentium M until 2020... Video calling on Zoom and Google Meet worked, but it just got too slow to do anything else simultaneously. UA-cam worked in 480p pretty well and I didn't see a need to upgrade. 2GB RAM felt like plenty though.
Hehe, bro! I also used my pentium m until 2020, until the laptop hinge broke, but the computer is quite working. I also did not deny myself the browser and the zoom for XP. The price of the issue is $3 per item, so I'm not writing it off.
My parents used a Celeron M 370 laptop up to 2014 or 2015. When it was bought in 2006 it was basically the family computer If it had been upgraded to a Pentium M 755 or 765 it probably could have been used for a year or two more
From my own i can tell you that Debian 12 on Pentium 4 Northwood 2.0GHz with no dedicated GPU and 385mb of DDR1 ram it runs okay with the Openbox desktop environment. Maybe it would run even better with DWM
Browsing modern Javascript wesbites on that P4 machine reminds me of what it was like browsing the internet with dial up when most had moved on to broadband in the early 2000's. Funny part is, I probably would have been using a similarly specced machine! Flash games would have me going to lunch while you waited for them to load. I remember browsing the IGN forums, and light browsing like that wasn't too bad, as long as the page didn't have any photos to load.
I had a Fujitsu Siemens laptop that used a desktop P4 CPU. It was lightning fast but after a minute or so, the fans came on at full speed. The hefty battery lasted about 15 to 30 minutes. Still darn useful.
I found an HP Compaq 8510P at a charity shop and adopted it. It is now running Lubuntu. It dates to 2007. It did need work, but I needed the distraction.
Also for youtube playback on anything older than 2016, i would reccomend h264ify or any way to force the old h264 codec over the AV1 and VP8/VP9 codecs that most hardware can't decode, so it has to do by "brute force"
Gonna be "that guy", apologies in forward. AntiX doesn't use SystemD, it has runit and another option for it, which is not the most used sysinit... Might be why ARetro went with it. Just my 2 cents. ^^;
@@hydroponicgard What makes SystemD the better option for this old computer? I ran Antix and Q4os (which has systemD) on my old netbook - and felt Antix performed faster. I'd think that the desktop interface might be a bigger factor. Both run Debian 32bit, Antix uses fluxbox and Q4os uses the trinity destkop environment.
This was awesome to watch. That distro can give old computers a new lease on life. Not sure quite how much you could do compared to what you could do with an old version of Windows but it's will at least be much more secure.
I revived my girlfriends Sony Vaio she had from highschool. It had WIndows Vista on it and wouldnt boot up at all. I installed an SSD and put Pop OS on it and she used it for a solid year until she got a new Lenovo Yoga. Linux on old hardware is such a sweet spot in tech.
a pentium 4 user with a lot of experience, I can say that using 64 bits makes it slower, and limiting the addressing to 3 GB makes the venture pointless. 32 bits provides a more optimal use of resources .
@@FADNaR , while it may be true that a Pentium IV EM64T processor is slower using 64 bit (mode? not sure if there are modes to this thing other than real and protected), it's a support-ability issue. The number of Linux distros supporting 32 bit are getting few and far between, at least compared to total number of distros. If you use a system with a "normal," non-EM64T processor, you can be basically on your own trying to patch all your software (including kernel) and likely rebuilding it, versus someone doing all the building for you and you just doing dnf update, apt-get update/upgrade, etc. So it's the difference between finding a distro (like I believe Debian) willing to support 32 bit, versus choosing just about any distro you like, versus doing a LOT of work yourself (and having the IT chops to do that), versus contributing to e-waste because noone's supporting 32 bit anymore. And there are still plenty of applications which don't require the "OOMF" of modern-day, 64 bit processing...routers and data collection immediately spring to mind.
Great video, Ty. Back in the day I managed to get VCDs to work on my daughter's Pentium I PC with only 16mb of ram, which were much better than your low resolution of 140. The problem isn't the video per se, its sadly the streaming platform and all of the additional bloatware and telemetry that comes with it that slows things down.
I remember running a 1Ghz Pentium 3 as my home server with Debian until late 2010s. It ran surprisingly well headless, given it's age. I even threw in a NEC USB 2.0 card and Intel Gigabit Ethernet. Still have all the parts in my stash of old hardware. BTW, Debian still supports i386, might be interesting to give it a try on a system like this.
Had a similar experience installing a distro called antix on a dell netbook. Pretty nice. But 8gb of hard drive space just isn't enough to comfortably run a full fat modern linux distro of any kind it seems.
It only had 8 GB of HDD space!? Bruh. Spend a few dollars on Ebay and upgrade that damn HDD already. Also, just a note. AntiX runs extremely light. It's not a full fat modern Linux distro at all. That would be MX Linux, its cousin.
@@arnox4554 Problem is that it uses an SSD in a mPCIe slot format. But it's not a SATA one, its a PATA SSD. Almost no one made SSDs like that and no one makes them like that today. So the used stock on ebay for 16gb is pretty expensive in all honesty. If you want more info look up the Dell Mini 9 or Dell Inspiron 910.
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@@SantiagoSalse UA-cam used to be way lighter and didn't use AV1 or VP9. My own Athlon 64 3400+ could run 360p video tops and in video Pentium is much weaker.
Alpine (which Adelie is based on) is pretty great, but the musl C library makes it a bit of a pain compatibility wise. Seamonkey used to be the browser of choice on old systems - for a long time it was the default on puppylinux, not sure if that's changed, or if it was available in Adelie. You might have a better experience with using Dillo-plus.
alpine is very light. ive been using another distro called postmarketos which is based off of alpine. like you said, the musl C library makes it quite a bit of a pain for certain things, but it can work
Glad you brought up your fitness journey dude. Yeah, during rona times, I got the Rona 20. lol! mid 2022 got into the keto/carnivore thing (watched Dr. Ken Berry's stuff) and without changing my running stuff I was already doing, I dropped almost 30. and SLEEP was a big deal. My reduction in sleep apena (that was brought on by "fatty tongue", I'd heard about fatty liver, but?) was great for all aspects of my life. Less groggy, more energy and all that. Keep up the great work! sugar, carbs and seed oils, and alcohol(which is sugar bascially) can basically be eliminated. I'm not a doctor and this is not advice. Like in Crypto/stocks DYOR. :-)
I put full fat Fedora on an old Core 2 Quad machine from 2007 with 8GB RAM and a Radeon HD 7770. Its definitely not a gaming rig but it does everything you could ask a casual daily driver PC to do. 1080P youtube is no problem.
An interesting experiment!👍👍 LMDE 6 is also offered in a 32 bit version and I have an 18 year old Core Duo (not core 2 duo) Dell Inspiron 9400, 2 gig of ram., 120 gig ssd., and it works surprising well with that OS., installed, as does my 19 year old Dell Inspiron 9300, 1.73 GHz., single core CPU., 2 gig of ram., 160 gig IDE HD.. Firefox ESR., is pre installed and both laptops are fine for most basic tasks, obviously they are slower and YT., videos have to be played at the lowest settings. Currently there are at least 15 Linux distros which still support 32 bit systems.
I tried to explore and find all 32 bit distributions. anyway, more than half of it is essentially based on Debian, and at the end of last year they were already discussing plans to phase out x86
It's a very good thing that many of them are using Debian Stable actually. For computers that are probably going to be offline most of the time, maximum stability is preferred. Or hell, even if they were online a lot, maximum stability is still incredibly desirable. I would personally recommend AntiX of all those 32-bit distros.
@@FADNaR "at the end of last year they were already discussing plans to phase out x86" Debian will support any hardware as long as there are people willing and able to support it. I suspect that will be true of 32-bit hardware for a long time. It's, after all, still in very widespread use with industrial and business systems.
I wonder if youtube's compression has become more demanding over the years, I think I remember being able to watch videos okay on a pentium 4 back in like early/mid 2000s. Also remember not quite playable Minecraft with Optifine on the lowest possible settings. Granted this was a desktop, and a bit higher clocked.
When it comes to hot CPUs, the Pentium 4 crawled so the Phenom II X4 could walk. The Phenom II X4 walked so the FX-8150 could run. And the FX-8150 ran so the i9-14900K could sprint.
Had a Ph2 X6 1090T. I don't think the issue was the heat output. It was actually pretty chill for today's standards. I always was able to keep mine under 60º C. The true issue of these chips was that the max temp was 62º C. Most CPUs nowadays are running upwards of 80º C like it's nothing.
I've got a Panasonic CF-47 - very reminiscent of this one, but older (p2 era) and its specced as a Toughbook. The lack of information on machines like that on the internet is really surprising though, especially from a big manufacturer like Panasonic...
My first and last traditional PC was a Celeron D Prescott on 478 socket. A single core 2.4 ghz if i’m remember right. What a time to be alive, 512 MB of RAM, AGP ATI video card and trusty 80 GB Maxtor HDD. That CPU get overclocked to 3.2 ghz with stock cooler and i was trying all linux distros that can run on that. It might still working, last time i was trying in 2017, get a grub error and turned off.
Always very cool watching what you do. I have a flat panel "iLamp" 800MHz that I've tried installing Adelie, Gentoo, Arch, Mint...but I'm a Linux N00B and it's clear there are video driver compatibility issues and I'm not sure how to get the right drivers in there (or even if I can find the right drivers) for the Linux install to work. I have many other older machines I've successfully installed Linux on too, although mainly because it installed without issue. There are a number of 20-so year old machines you can get for next to free which will run modern Linux just fine!
This sort of holds true though even today, Some of the high-end 12th gen CPUs even in the same general class may be faster than some of the newer 13th gen ones in the same class, as there usually is some overlap between generations. The Pentium (4) M processors were lower-power variants for laptops so it's no wonder some P4's (particularly those for laptops) were slower than perhaps their higher-end P3 siblings. Of all the ports on the back (which that would have been well-equipped in 2000) only about 2 (maybe 3, the VGa too) would be applicable today (and the USB is really only good for low-data transfers for perhiperhals so that might even be a stretch, but at least the Ethernet port is still widely used, although that one may have only been a 10/100 NIC). The SSD may be helping a bit though, particularly when opening new Windows. But my guess is that the windowing environment is also prbably very basic as well, and it may also be using a lot more of the CPU since integrated graphics was common at that time, so the CPU did a lot of the work possibly tapping into the RAM when needed. I mean up until Windows 7, you could run that (slowly) on a system with only 1GB of RAM and more importantly a 64MB video card (128MB was needed for special effects).
I'll defiantly be putting adelie Linux on my thinkpad T41 which is a Pentium M laptop that can barely handle Debian with LXQt. It's crazy how smooth those windows move on a Pentium 4!
The P4 is surprisingly usable--as a space heater. I remember leaving a peice of chocolate too close to he fan outlet on a P4 laptop and seeing it melted to a puddle. On any P4, the fas will be running constantly like incoming jet planes. I used my P4 systems until they broke, and when I replced them with Core2Duos, I was amazed by how much quietr and cooler they ran (and faster too). The P4 was a real dead-end for Intel, and I'm very glad to say goodbye to them for good.
yeah, Deli Linux 0.7.2 was working on DX4100/16mb ram/very mechanical hdd/512k trident 9000i ISA card in 640*480*256. Was fast enought to compile abiword 1.0. But sadly newer DeliLinux was much worse on 86Box with low ram(8,16 mb), probably not really tested or tested with huuuuge swap ....
Maybe someone has already suggested you need to monitor with something a lot more flat, but FYI it's 'booming' a heck of a lot: somewhere in the upper-lows to low-mids. I'm listening on TRUTH B2023A reference monitors, everything else across all types of content sounds very flat.
I was using a pentium 4 2.4ghz 512k 2gb ram and FX 5500 until 2016, when the ethernet died. Move to a amd 64 3800+. When I started again teh pentium 4 the ram conection was broken.
You might want to try AntiX linux. It's a lightweight Debian, with a full APT package manager. And also DSL (Damn Small Linux) has made a recent comeback after like 12 years hiatus... DSL is now basically an even more lightweight AntiX, and will run on a potatoe.
Main problem here is ati mobility video card. same as on thinkpad t41 - it does not support modern opengl (ever since switch to kms), and as it is an old card - the r100 revision was basically abandoned. if laptop would have had intel integrated card - things would have been much faster with the browser
My first CPU was a laptop Pentium 4, not out of choice, but because it's what I got secondhand. Believe it or not I was playing Spore on that machine with only 512MB of RAM.
Never heard of Adelie Linux before, looks similar to Xubuntu that I use on my Fujitsu Celsius H700 laptop. Nice that Adelie supports other architectures aswell, I'll maybe try it on my HP ZD8000 laptop, aswell as a dual PIII 1.4ghz 2gb ram system that I have. Also have a G3, G4 and a G5. Thanks so much for showing us this, it brings new life to older pc's and macs.
I still have gentoo on a Dell of the same vintage with the same P4m in it (got it in 2001). That system has played many hours of Unreal Tournament. The main difference is it has a dedicated Nvidia Geforce2 go GPU so I don't have software rendering for everything. It's in the "desktop replacement" category of laptops of the day, and did a reasonable job of living up to the claim. :-)
@ActionRetro I doubt Adelie is doing much different. I suspect much of the difference will be fewer running services and a lighter init system (OpenRC). A lot of packages, like Xfce, also have a lot of often invisible optional features that can be turned off at compile time, features that add weight. I've built several Linux systems from tarballs back in the day, you'll be surprised how small you can get a full-blown desktop system if you don't turn on all the less-useful features, including with Xfce.
You opening that particular episode of Doctor Who on this machine _sent me_ Because I have some very fond memories of watching DW curled up in a corner of my room with a laptop _very similar to that_. Not as pretty, not from the same brand, but P4 based and such. PS: I wonder how well (or badly) it would go if one tried to play UA-cam through SMPlayer on this machine, without all the web stuff, just stream the video.
Man, in 2000 I got my first PC to go off to college with and it was a Celeron. Later on I got a Slot A Athlon. The Pentium 4 coming out at the same time just seems insane to me now. But budgets will budget.
I have a couple of P4 computers i use. They all run debian linux on them. Some of them have been dedicated to server status (they only boot up when needed. my power bill can handle the 100W for a few hours every month) and a few of them are basically thin clients. I install remmina and use that to rdp into my "general purpose" VM that has plenty of resources. One of my P4 computers i use as a thin client is a panasonic CF-U1. I have debian boot off a SD card. I have been throwing around the idea of putting a raspberry pi CM4 or something like that in the SSD bay and seeing if i can get that to be usable for modern software.
480p UA-cam works fine with mypal on windows XP with my 32-bit desktop pentium 4 machine and an nvidia fx 5600 xt. In fact it was even run 1.12.2 java minecraft with optifine using tlauncher 1.8 (which still supports XP and microsoft accounts) pefectly at 30fps. Browsing is a little sluggish though. Somewhat usable however.
@@Pasi123 My P4 HT 3.4E (socket 478) + 2 GB DDR400 + Sapphire HD4650 AGP (driver Catalyst 10.4 Hotfix AGP) can play UA-cam videos up to 1080p resolution in Windows 8.1 with h264ify extension, but it's quite slow in web browsing and it runs very hot! I tried installing the latest versions of Catalyst graphic drivers, but I noticed a noticeable drop in video streaming performance.
I have a 2000 Fujitsu-Siemens laptop which was being thrown out at work. Installed debian on it, which works surprisingly well. Pentium 3 (celeron) 500MHz, 192MB RAM and 6 gigs of harddrive! I run openbox though, anything else is waay too slow. Firefox will run but is unusably slow. Though i think the biggest bottleneck is the hard drive, I think it's dying.
I can't believe how badly the youtube video ran. I had 720p youtube playing perfectly fine in Chrome on a Pentium M on XP in cca 2016. What exactly did they fuck up to make it run so much worse?
Google keep sabotaging Chrome video acceleration on Linux. Firstly they have it disabled by default, and secondly whenever anyone gets video compression working on Linux, Chromium's engineers will migrate Linux Chromium onto a new version of the video framework that isn't finished so that video acceleration stops working again. Interestingly, if one goes through and makes a few trivial changes to the code to match the video acceleration path on ChromeOS, and then waits for a day for chromium to recompile, they can easily enable video acceleration on Linux themselves, unfortunately, the open source code only compiles a crippled version of Chromium that doesn't support DRM or syncing. Brave's developers usually eventually work around whatever roadblocks Google throws in the way of video acceleration on Linux, allowing it to work sometimes if it's enabled, but sometimes it takes them a while to work around to degoogling the video acceleration.
I saw a guy fit a full desktop in a custom laptop that was this thick, i bet you could remove all the internals of this and use this as a desktop sleeper build
You should try to run Scrcpy to use it as a monitor for a phone. I ran Scrcpy( on q4os) on a laptop with an atom n570 and 2 GB ram. I could mirror my phone screen at 480p perfectly fine, which is amazing considering how the laptop struggles to run UA-cam at the same resolution
I was really impressed with my 2GHz Pentium 4 laptop when I got it to play 240p UA-cam at around 20fps recently. I was using the K-Meleon browser under windows xp.
You now made me want to take my HP Astra Pentium III out of the closet and try it out… I was using it in the late 2010s including for UA-cam Tip valid for every PC that is not from 2015 onwards: install h264ify or disable VP8/9 on about:config
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Can you do a video using t/2 linux sometime? It works on a lot of old machines.
if you have installed windows it would be more usable.... 7 or 10...
That's not a Pentium 4. Pentium M is based on the Pentium III, that's why it's not terrible.
An actual P4 laptop would definitely have been unusable.
@@docwhogr gods no, as someone struggling with a 2012 AMD C-60 on a side laptop lol. It barely runs 7, and 10 is an utter slideshow even with everything ripped out. It's XP and Linux or bust.
FWIW I think you were missing 3D acceleration the entire time, classiccube should have run much better than that (it does just fine on a 233MHz PPC for example) it appears there is some kernel fiddling needed to get that specific GPU to work properly. Kernel bug 206697, comment 14 may be helpful if you want to continue that adventure.
FWIW means...?
@@Ниггерфиш FWIW = For What It's Worth
Agreed, the ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 in that laptop is certainly no powerhouse, but it does support OpenGL 1.3 and should be enough to play Classicube or 144p video with proper acceleration.
@@panopolis8051 Unfortunately the Radeon 7500 is just too old for support by lib va-api as written. There is a fallback opengl driver for h.264, but generally youtube uses vp9 these days. It also hasn't been actively maintained for two years.
The TLDR: video acceleration is just likely not on the table. Not going to say it can't happen. Just I suspect nobody has put the effort for this specific hardware as old as it is.
@@NullReference119 that makes sense, thanks for clearing that up.
We are lucky to have linux
@@ThePgR777 I do basic video editing, and I do music composition and recording, on Linux. My father has written some books and he uses Linux for that. I don't currently have a home server, but when I did it was on Linux, streaming my movie collection to multiple TVs in the house. There's plenty you can do with Linux and these days it's really not difficult to do any of this stuff.
@@ThePgR777 wdym there is a plenty of useful things that you can do on linux
@@ThePgR777 I write in my spare time so it would be fine for me. Anyway, it's clearly proof of concept rather than a practical solution but there are a surprising amount of people with old laptops lying around.
@@Jeromeeb I mean you cant do anything useful on this machine, this is why lots of people hate Linux fanboy users
@@Jeromeebmost of the time spent too many tinkering for the software to work, instead of doing productive with it, and don't even try to argue if you just doing some basic crap and not something more intensive, linux it's free if you don't value your time
Side-Note: Using XFCE is very important, and can make things better and more faster.
I agree. I'm using Mint XFCE and it's keeping my 3rd Gen I3 laptop running like a top. 👍
also lxde is more lightweight than xfce but still lacks some xfce features
Lxde works if xfce is too slow
@@noone927-o6j hasn't LXDE been replaced with LXQt?
I'd use like open box or joeswm on something like that
Make sure to run glxinfo to check if gpu acceleration is there. Probably you're running on cpu. Classicube also shows error at 11:56 libglerror: failed to load driver: radeon
maybe an old gpu like that is expecting fglrx
@@miaugato93No, fglrx is really not recommended. It should run on r600 or radeon driver, which for him is not working. It could be the kernel lacking the radeon kernel module or Mesa is compiled without radeon and r600 gallium drivers.
yeah classicube says software rendering is being used at 12:05
@@huntercz1226 8:05 Radeon 7500 is only supported by r200 which is only available on mesa amber
@@flydiscohuebr Really? Damn...
My first laptop had a Pentium4 2.4GHz CPU and an NVidia GeForce 4 440MX graphics adapter. It was large, heavy but pretty powerfull.
11:50 Looks like you were missing the Radeon library for 3D. You'd need to add proper Mesa library packages.
Yo, that's the specs of my midtower! Got a HP Compaq D310 Evo with that same CPU and GPU (MX440 64MB DDR).
It used to be my main PC back in around 2010 or 11. I still keep it connected to the TV.
I also had the Geforce 4 MX 440 but i wouldn't call it a good card. It's a straight downgrade from the GeForce 3. Half the render output units, half the texture mapping units, 1.5 times lower texture fill rate, 25% lower clock speed.
The heat from Pentium
Can warm a mid-sized town
FX-8150 and i9-14900K be like: Bush league.
@@TheSuperiorQuickscoper while the P4 is like: You underestimate my power!"
The only CPU that overheats through Arctic thermal paste and a massive copper heatsink.
Pentium 4 in particular, yes.
In ye old times, Pentium 4 + SETI@Home = space heater.
That Panasonic is a good looking laptop (for its time). It's good to see it running a modern OS so well.
wait wait wait hold on yes the Pentium 4 is still useable in 2024 oh my god😱
Web pages are HARDER FOR A COMPUTER TO RUN than a 3D VIDEO GAME. Says a lot about SOCIETY
So many websites are pure garbage when it comes to efficiency/optimization.
I don't disagree that modern websites are shit, but the issue was most likely that the video drivers weren't working properly for some reason. (I mean the fact that *_anything_* on that thing *_was_* working is a miracle in it's own right, so it's not surprising)
Also, while "modern websites/software use too many resources!" is true, IMO the thing more people should be focussing on is why the 500 tabs you're not focussed on even need to be loaded at all. At any given time you're only using maybe 3-5 tabs. One that's active in whatever window(s) you have focussed, and one or two that might be active doing something in the background like playing a video or music. Every. Single. Other. One. can just be dumped onto the disk, and restored the next time you click on it. (note : *_NOT THROWN AWAY AND REDOWNLOADED_* ) Most websites can be stored with something like singlefile at ~5mb, which means a thousand tabs dumped to the disk would take 5 gigabytes. (I acutally just used singlefile on this very page, it's 3mb. Granted, that doesn't store the video itself, and that is one area where this does get a bit more complicated, but still) What's the difference between restoring 5000 tabs and restoring 1 tab? Fucking. Nothing. *_So why the fuck is it a problem?_*
So, yes, websites (and most software) is incredibly wasteful, buuuuut if we just stopped tolerating that browsers load dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of tabs into-memory and actively give them CPU cycles when they're doing *_nothing,_* the problem would be a hell of a lot better.
Whether this says something deeply meaningful about society, or just tells us what we already know, (people are lazy and don't really think about shit, letalone bother to improve it even if doing so would be greatly beneficial for everyone including themselves) is an exercise left for the reader.
JS IS IN EVERYTHING! I OPEN MY WEB BROWSER, THERES JAVASCRIPT. I OPEN MY PHONE, THERES REACT. I DOWNLOAD A DESKTOP APP, ITS ALL FUCKING ELECTRON
It says that this society has a lot of compute avalible
@@wujekstalina With a lot of those computers being put in the bin even when they work fine.
During the last heatwave, I installed PeppermintOS on an old 32 bit laptop. I also have Antix running on an old 32 bit netbook. And with Falkon as a browser, I have absolutely no problem going on the Internet.
What about UA-cam?
@@Getoverhere666 Puppy Linux can run UA-cam fast on a Pentium
@@satellitegiallo really? Pentium has no modern hardware codecs
Is Fallon still secure though?
I absolutely love these mad science experiments. Also love how surprisingly usable this is for really light stuff, especially as a low-distraction device for something like writing that can do some things on the Internet but nothing particularly well.
jeez that's a lite weight os to only use 2% of a Pentium 4 cpu
Not as low distraction as you might think. Most of the time I used to spend doom scrolling youtube on my phone, I now spend switching between threads on 4chan on my P4 machine.
"let's find another game that runs a little better" I don't know how, but I KNEW it was going to be Sauerbraten
Shame it didn't work though
Play Assault Cube
such a good game
@@mckelepic sound track is great
if only is was playable [._.]
These operating systems that don't 'push the processor so hard' are not just great for older machines, but they are great for 'Going Green', too. With a power meter, I was shocked to discover that Windows 3.1 uses a full 10 watts more power than the exact-same computer running DOS 6.11.
Everything before haswell has run its course and takes way too much power to be considered green since these machines lack basic power save features we come accustomed to. These are also on their way to be 10 years old so...
yeah using such systems on modern hardware not only makes the system fly, but eats not much power too
just use computers with ARM SoC or power saving CPU's. Mac Mini with M Processor needs 4 watts in idle, 10 watts for web browsing/watching videos, etc. 20 Watts for Gaming. That's the whole computer, not just the CPU. Same applies ti mini PC with Intel P100. They are just slower than Arm/Mac.
@user-lo4zj5dw1xthey didn’t say they used a P4 lmao
@@cyberdusttvivy bridge laptops are still good today for usb 3 support and generally good potential
You can do better than a P4!
I have a Pentium 133 (non-MMX) running Slackware 11 on a kernel 2.6 with a PCI Radeon 9250 running full 3D. :)
Gets 250FPS in glxgears, though I can't get much else running because I only have 64MB of RAM, barely enough to run X with FVWM/TWM.
Very nice
Why not a modern OS like OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, or ArchLinux32?
Even the x86 Raspberry Pi OS?
And then do some kernel customization to strip it down to only what’s needed, and using busybox… can go totally wild. That being said, so long as you activate swap for ArchLinux32 you can install it just fine. Usually. Or used to.
@@EirikrTinkerTries RPi OS might work, but usually everything else requires a minimum of at least 128MB to even load the installer.
Mainly because of the huge initfs everyone likes to use.
I do use a custom 2.6 kernel though, the "stock" one that comes with Slackware 11 is far too bloated to run on 64MB.
@@EirikrTinkerTries between what they are running and the newer stuff, is there any improvements that a p133 could take advantage of or that runs better?
@@EirikrTinkerTries I don't know about OpenSUSE but ArchLinux32 (and most other 32-bit distros) require a 686 (Pentium Pro) CPU.
I absolutely love your videos about antique laptops with Linux on them! Please do a comparison of lightweight distros like these.
Years after humanity drives itself to extinction there will still be a few Pentium 4 machines dotted about the world cluelessly executing whatever automated tasks they're programmed to execute. They will outlive their power sources.
is the Pentium 4 usable nope but maybe yes OH... MY.... GOD.... NO NO NO GOD NO!!!
Meanwhile, every Gentoo user rises from the radioactive dust, ready to update their GPU driver.
I’ve been bouncing in and out for the Linux content for a while but this one made me subscribe. I LOVE making old hardware do new hardware things through the power of modern Linux.
Have you tried Void Linux? It's specifically made for older systems like this, they have a Pentium 4 build as a matter of fact
Welcome to the void kids💀💀
UA-cam playback on this thing reminds me of streaming video on dial up in the 90's. Fire up Real Player!
Oh yeah, Real Player!
God! Many hours I used it back in late 90s and early 2000s 🙂
10:25 I know firefox is everyone's favorite Linux browser, but I strongly recommend chromium on a system this low spec, from my own experience it runs significantly faster, multiple times faster on certain systems. I don't know if it's something about the core count or the ram or what, but older systems run chromium better than firefox pretty consistently.
Just get yourself a 2020 HP refurbished please !
$ 100 max !
As much as I hate Chromium... Yeah, you're right about that. :( Pale Moon may be much more optimized though.
@@arnox4554 i may take a look at that, but chromium already does everything i need and runs great on even my oldest laptops.
uBlock Origiin + FF is beastly combo.
@@lucasrem ...thats not applicable, i have a powerful main PC and decent laptops, those can run firefox fine, but what if im using an old machine because i need some hardware related to that, but i also need an internet connection to debug or send the output. for example, i have an old (but really good) printer that only uses parallel for communication, so what i usually do is email myself documents to then print on my old laptop with a parallel port. this process would suck if i used firefox, that computer lagged to a halt last time i tried, but chromium runs like butter, no hitches of any kind.
your point is probably applicable to some people, but i feel like most people who could use a cheap $100 laptop, already has a cheap $100 laptop, most people with problems running firefox have those problems since they have to use older machines for various reasons. chromium is a great option for computers with below average hardware.
I own a 2003 Pentium 4 with 1.5 Go of ram and a 120 Ide Hard Drive, It works on Pepermint Linux and can use it sometimes in my garage to watch some videos or download technical PDF. Of course on you tube you need to download the videos as online it is too slow but it works fine. One day I 'll add a ssd drive to see if that makes sense but not sure. Otherwise I own many computers on different linux distros like Bohdi Linux for I3 or Linux mint Mate for 1 st and 2 nd I5 Generations, everything works fine. You can also use your old pentium 4 as a storage device from time to time, it might still help. Thx for keeping old hardwares alive, I really like your channel. A french guy !
I never thought P4 would be usable in this day and age even with Linux, until I tried it and surprised myself a couple years ago (with Lubuntu). Albeit with a somewhat modern PCIe GPU and SSD, and 4GB RAM. With the compositing and video decoding (1440p no less) offloaded to the GPU, it is actually more than serviceable. Not having to write to swap on spinning rust all the time also helps greatly. I can have a handful of UA-cam video tabs open at once and still have memory to spare.
My old Athlon 64 3400+ could run 360p YT videos on CPU alone
Thank you little hamster for making computers this old run well.
everybody is saying Pentium 4 in their videos and videos' title , but they forget something very important to mention , the socket . There's pentium 4 for socket 478 and pentium 4 for socket LGA775
I noticed while Sean was loading ClassiCube the terminal complained about not being able to load the radeon accelerator driver
so it's completely running on software rendering
Great video. Never heard of this distro before so I'm downloading it. I just think the pace of PC HW improvements has slowed. In my lifetime, I went from PCs not existing to the first i3/i5/i7 and it all seemed so fast, but then all these 13 generations since then, tiny changes each gen.
8th gen was a big jump, but generally - yeah
Yeah, absolutely. Imagine trying to 'daily drive' a typical computer from 1992 (386, 4 MB RAM sort of thing) in 2002. On the other hand, try using something from 2014 in 2024 - it won't run the latest AAA games but it shouldn't be too painful overall.
I used a 2010 MacBook Pro (Core 2 Duo, not even any Core iX) as my main computer until 2021. It was definitely struggling at the end, but it was still keeping up with basic email/browsing/productivity stuff.
@@bookofdaveandsteve Was it? It was just "oshiiit Ryzen is addin more cores, here staple these cores in"
@@juliusapweiler1465 still got my 2010 MacBook pro - mainly use it as an iTunes and iPod host now ☺️
@@Fay7666 for intel systems it's something I'll think about when I get my next computer - but I am hoping that won't be for some years yet ☺️
I am far and away not a "computer guy", but this was an absolutely intriguing video. That was nifty watching what all that old thing could handle running a Linux distro. I've only been dabbling with Linux, specifically Mint 22, for about a month now, and it has changed my life. I'm so glad I dropped windows. Linux is the best rabbit hole I've gone down in a long time. The devs for Mint 22 did a great job making the install very user friendly. And now, seeing there's a potential to revive "ancient" computers is so groovy. The world of Ubuntu/Linux is brilliant! Thanks for a fantastic lil vid sir!
Is 768 the max amount of RAM this machine supports? Also, if you want to play UA-cam videos on ancient hardware you're better off using yt-dlp to download them and then using mplayer or mpv to play them locally.
13:37 I wonder how well it could play youtube if you used yt-dlp and mpv/vlc. Surely 360p would work?
I do believe that laptop was cleaner than the day it was new. I almost mistaken in for CGI'd.
Maybe using something like jwm or fvwm will help: XFCE4 is using already about 50% of your RAM! Those extra hundreds of MB of RAM can help a bit with performance
I ended up using a Pentium M until 2020... Video calling on Zoom and Google Meet worked, but it just got too slow to do anything else simultaneously. UA-cam worked in 480p pretty well and I didn't see a need to upgrade. 2GB RAM felt like plenty though.
Hehe, bro!
I also used my pentium m until 2020, until the laptop hinge broke, but the computer is quite working.
I also did not deny myself the browser and the zoom for XP.
The price of the issue is $3 per item, so I'm not writing it off.
My parents used a Celeron M 370 laptop up to 2014 or 2015. When it was bought in 2006 it was basically the family computer
If it had been upgraded to a Pentium M 755 or 765 it probably could have been used for a year or two more
Same, I was using my Inspiron 8600 as a "too old to be worst stealing" laptop.
From my own i can tell you that Debian 12 on Pentium 4 Northwood 2.0GHz with no dedicated GPU and 385mb of DDR1 ram it runs okay with the Openbox desktop environment. Maybe it would run even better with DWM
DVD playback should be possible, we managed it back in the day.
on 7 inch it's good enough for you ?
Where you found disks ?
Browsing modern Javascript wesbites on that P4 machine reminds me of what it was like browsing the internet with dial up when most had moved on to broadband in the early 2000's. Funny part is, I probably would have been using a similarly specced machine! Flash games would have me going to lunch while you waited for them to load. I remember browsing the IGN forums, and light browsing like that wasn't too bad, as long as the page didn't have any photos to load.
I had a Fujitsu Siemens laptop that used a desktop P4 CPU. It was lightning fast but after a minute or so, the fans came on at full speed. The hefty battery lasted about 15 to 30 minutes.
Still darn useful.
I found an HP Compaq 8510P at a charity shop and adopted it. It is now running Lubuntu. It dates to 2007. It did need work, but I needed the distraction.
Also for youtube playback on anything older than 2016, i would reccomend h264ify or any way to force the old h264 codec over the AV1 and VP8/VP9 codecs that most hardware can't decode, so it has to do by "brute force"
Just use AntiX linux. Runs fine on my Pentium III Dell Latitude with 384 MB of RAM and a 32GB SSD.
Gonna be "that guy", apologies in forward.
AntiX doesn't use SystemD, it has runit and another option for it, which is not the most used sysinit... Might be why ARetro went with it. Just my 2 cents. ^^;
@@hydroponicgard What makes SystemD the better option for this old computer? I ran Antix and Q4os (which has systemD) on my old netbook - and felt Antix performed faster. I'd think that the desktop interface might be a bigger factor. Both run Debian 32bit, Antix uses fluxbox and Q4os uses the trinity destkop environment.
@@hydroponicgard >"AntiX doesn't use systemD"
That's the whole point
nahh gentoo
I found AntiX a little lackluster. Plain Debian or Q4OS FTW
This was awesome to watch. That distro can give old computers a new lease on life. Not sure quite how much you could do compared to what you could do with an old version of Windows but it's will at least be much more secure.
I revived my girlfriends Sony Vaio she had from highschool. It had WIndows Vista on it and wouldnt boot up at all. I installed an SSD and put Pop OS on it and she used it for a solid year until she got a new Lenovo Yoga. Linux on old hardware is such a sweet spot in tech.
Ooh, a toughbook CF-48. Over the last 13 years, I have used the CF-52, CF-53, CF-54, and now the FZ-55.
I could see that you were peeking at your cheat sheet during the trainwell "interview".
I used this video as a guide to get my own P4 Pc working on Linux, (P4 2.4 w 512 mb of ram) and it was very useful! Thanks!
Fantastic. I'll have to see what I can get it running on. And yes, that Toughbook looks fantastic.
Ah yes, pentium 4. Heats up like a nuclear reactor and struggled to run even cs source.
Some Pentium IV parts have EM64T. They're 64 bit processors, so they're compatible with even most modern Linuxes
Yeah, but only LGA 775 desktop chips and a few very rare 478 Prescotts made for IBM.
a pentium 4 user with a lot of experience, I can say that using 64 bits makes it slower, and limiting the addressing to 3 GB makes the venture pointless.
32 bits provides a more optimal use of resources .
@@FADNaR , while it may be true that a Pentium IV EM64T processor is slower using 64 bit (mode? not sure if there are modes to this thing other than real and protected), it's a support-ability issue. The number of Linux distros supporting 32 bit are getting few and far between, at least compared to total number of distros. If you use a system with a "normal," non-EM64T processor, you can be basically on your own trying to patch all your software (including kernel) and likely rebuilding it, versus someone doing all the building for you and you just doing dnf update, apt-get update/upgrade, etc. So it's the difference between finding a distro (like I believe Debian) willing to support 32 bit, versus choosing just about any distro you like, versus doing a LOT of work yourself (and having the IT chops to do that), versus contributing to e-waste because noone's supporting 32 bit anymore. And there are still plenty of applications which don't require the "OOMF" of modern-day, 64 bit processing...routers and data collection immediately spring to mind.
In line with Linux's penguin theme, I'm sure Adélie Linux alludes to the Adélie penguin.
Great video, Ty. Back in the day I managed to get VCDs to work on my daughter's Pentium I PC with only 16mb of ram, which were much better than your low resolution of 140. The problem isn't the video per se, its sadly the streaming platform and all of the additional bloatware and telemetry that comes with it that slows things down.
I'd like to see you try out René Rebe's T/2 SDE distro in a future episode. It supports like a dozen architectures and just had a major new release.
I remember running a 1Ghz Pentium 3 as my home server with Debian until late 2010s. It ran surprisingly well headless, given it's age. I even threw in a NEC USB 2.0 card and Intel Gigabit Ethernet. Still have all the parts in my stash of old hardware.
BTW, Debian still supports i386, might be interesting to give it a try on a system like this.
Had a similar experience installing a distro called antix on a dell netbook. Pretty nice. But 8gb of hard drive space just isn't enough to comfortably run a full fat modern linux distro of any kind it seems.
It only had 8 GB of HDD space!? Bruh. Spend a few dollars on Ebay and upgrade that damn HDD already. Also, just a note. AntiX runs extremely light. It's not a full fat modern Linux distro at all. That would be MX Linux, its cousin.
@@arnox4554 Problem is that it uses an SSD in a mPCIe slot format. But it's not a SATA one, its a PATA SSD. Almost no one made SSDs like that and no one makes them like that today. So the used stock on ebay for 16gb is pretty expensive in all honesty. If you want more info look up the Dell Mini 9 or Dell Inspiron 910.
I have a Sony Vaio pcv-rs630g with a Pentium 4 3.2ghz. It is somehow very quick and even internet browsing is snappy!
I know it was mainly for a sponsor segue, but congrats on your weight loss! I hope it's still going strong. Good luck on your health and wellness journey.
For perspective, such computers ran Windows 98 and XP quite smoothly, so I don't know why it's such a surprise that they run a thin linux distro.
It isn't. People are just stupid.
@@GeminoSmothers Yep. Specially since we all watched 360p UA-cam on XP on Pentiums
@@SantiagoSalse UA-cam used to be way lighter and didn't use AV1 or VP9. My own Athlon 64 3400+ could run 360p video tops and in video Pentium is much weaker.
Alpine (which Adelie is based on) is pretty great, but the musl C library makes it a bit of a pain compatibility wise.
Seamonkey used to be the browser of choice on old systems - for a long time it was the default on puppylinux, not sure if that's changed, or if it was available in Adelie.
You might have a better experience with using Dillo-plus.
alpine is very light. ive been using another distro called postmarketos which is based off of alpine. like you said, the musl C library makes it quite a bit of a pain for certain things, but it can work
I recognize that episode of Doctor Who you just played. It's from SEries three and is called Gridlock if I'm not mistaken.
Glad you brought up your fitness journey dude. Yeah, during rona times, I got the Rona 20. lol! mid 2022 got into the keto/carnivore thing (watched Dr. Ken Berry's stuff) and without changing my running stuff I was already doing, I dropped almost 30. and SLEEP was a big deal. My reduction in sleep apena (that was brought on by "fatty tongue", I'd heard about fatty liver, but?) was great for all aspects of my life. Less groggy, more energy and all that. Keep up the great work! sugar, carbs and seed oils, and alcohol(which is sugar bascially) can basically be eliminated. I'm not a doctor and this is not advice. Like in Crypto/stocks DYOR. :-)
I put full fat Fedora on an old Core 2 Quad machine from 2007 with 8GB RAM and a Radeon HD 7770. Its definitely not a gaming rig but it does everything you could ask a casual daily driver PC to do. 1080P youtube is no problem.
My HTPC still has a C2Q Q6600 @ 3.0GHz, 8GB DDR2 and a Radeon HD 6570. It runs Ubuntu 18.04 which is a bit old by now
Nice demo. Why didn't you upgrade the memory at the same time as the hdrive?
I don't of this bios, but some older bioses can't handle much memory. And newer bioses might not fit in.
Something good to watch while I fix my install of Artix which I migrated to Parabola. I’ll get startx working eventually. 😅
Wait wouldn't you switch to Hyperbola instead?
@@csolisr
They have different goals with computers than I do… Besides, those guys are shifting development efforts to their own BSD OS.
An interesting experiment!👍👍
LMDE 6 is also offered in a 32 bit version and I have an 18 year old Core Duo (not core 2 duo) Dell Inspiron 9400, 2 gig of ram., 120 gig ssd., and it works surprising well with that OS., installed, as does my 19 year old Dell Inspiron 9300, 1.73 GHz., single core CPU., 2 gig of ram., 160 gig IDE HD..
Firefox ESR., is pre installed and both laptops are fine for most basic tasks, obviously they are slower and YT., videos have to be played at the lowest settings.
Currently there are at least 15 Linux distros which still support 32 bit systems.
I tried to explore and find all 32 bit distributions.
anyway, more than half of it is essentially based on Debian, and at the end of last year they were already discussing plans to phase out x86
@@FADNaR Yes, many are based on Debian, but not all and the current It's Foss list is worth checking out.
It's a very good thing that many of them are using Debian Stable actually. For computers that are probably going to be offline most of the time, maximum stability is preferred. Or hell, even if they were online a lot, maximum stability is still incredibly desirable. I would personally recommend AntiX of all those 32-bit distros.
@@FADNaR "at the end of last year they were already discussing plans to phase out x86"
Debian will support any hardware as long as there are people willing and able to support it. I suspect that will be true of 32-bit hardware for a long time. It's, after all, still in very widespread use with industrial and business systems.
I wonder if youtube's compression has become more demanding over the years, I think I remember being able to watch videos okay on a pentium 4 back in like early/mid 2000s.
Also remember not quite playable Minecraft with Optifine on the lowest possible settings.
Granted this was a desktop, and a bit higher clocked.
@MissMuffin-qc8fc ah that makes sense
Just installed Q4OS on an Inspiron 1150 with a Pentium 4. Running good!
When it comes to hot CPUs, the Pentium 4 crawled so the Phenom II X4 could walk.
The Phenom II X4 walked so the FX-8150 could run.
And the FX-8150 ran so the i9-14900K could sprint.
Had a Ph2 X6 1090T. I don't think the issue was the heat output. It was actually pretty chill for today's standards. I always was able to keep mine under 60º C. The true issue of these chips was that the max temp was 62º C.
Most CPUs nowadays are running upwards of 80º C like it's nothing.
i9-14900k does sprint.... so long as it doesn't trip on it's own voltage requests and kill itself 😅 but it's fast when it works
I've got a Panasonic CF-47 - very reminiscent of this one, but older (p2 era) and its specced as a Toughbook. The lack of information on machines like that on the internet is really surprising though, especially from a big manufacturer like Panasonic...
My first and last traditional PC was a Celeron D Prescott on 478 socket. A single core 2.4 ghz if i’m remember right. What a time to be alive, 512 MB of RAM, AGP ATI video card and trusty 80 GB Maxtor HDD. That CPU get overclocked to 3.2 ghz with stock cooler and i was trying all linux distros that can run on that. It might still working, last time i was trying in 2017, get a grub error and turned off.
why you post that here ????
Always very cool watching what you do. I have a flat panel "iLamp" 800MHz that I've tried installing Adelie, Gentoo, Arch, Mint...but I'm a Linux N00B and it's clear there are video driver compatibility issues and I'm not sure how to get the right drivers in there (or even if I can find the right drivers) for the Linux install to work. I have many other older machines I've successfully installed Linux on too, although mainly because it installed without issue. There are a number of 20-so year old machines you can get for next to free which will run modern Linux just fine!
Yeah, I'm having the same problem figuring out how to install GPU drivers for PuppyLinux on my old IBM Thinkpad T41...noob gonna noob, I guess.
I still use AntiX Base on an old P3 IBM Think Pad for coding myself to sleep sometimes. It's more square, and I like the keyboard.
This sort of holds true though even today, Some of the high-end 12th gen CPUs even in the same general class may be faster than some of the newer 13th gen ones in the same class, as there usually is some overlap between generations.
The Pentium (4) M processors were lower-power variants for laptops so it's no wonder some P4's (particularly those for laptops) were slower than perhaps their higher-end P3 siblings.
Of all the ports on the back (which that would have been well-equipped in 2000) only about 2 (maybe 3, the VGa too) would be applicable today (and the USB is really only good for low-data transfers for perhiperhals so that might even be a stretch, but at least the Ethernet port is still widely used, although that one may have only been a 10/100 NIC).
The SSD may be helping a bit though, particularly when opening new Windows. But my guess is that the windowing environment is also prbably very basic as well, and it may also be using a lot more of the CPU since integrated graphics was common at that time, so the CPU did a lot of the work possibly tapping into the RAM when needed. I mean up until Windows 7, you could run that (slowly) on a system with only 1GB of RAM and more importantly a 64MB video card (128MB was needed for special effects).
I'll defiantly be putting adelie Linux on my thinkpad T41 which is a Pentium M laptop that can barely handle Debian with LXQt. It's crazy how smooth those windows move on a Pentium 4!
The P4 is surprisingly usable--as a space heater. I remember leaving a peice of chocolate too close to he fan outlet on a P4 laptop and seeing it melted to a puddle. On any P4, the fas will be running constantly like incoming jet planes. I used my P4 systems until they broke, and when I replced them with Core2Duos, I was amazed by how much quietr and cooler they ran (and faster too). The P4 was a real dead-end for Intel, and I'm very glad to say goodbye to them for good.
Heck Linux was quite usable on a 486DX2 66 back in the 90es... so I am not shocked it would work well on a Pentium 4.
yeah, Deli Linux 0.7.2 was working on DX4100/16mb ram/very mechanical hdd/512k trident 9000i ISA card in 640*480*256. Was fast enought to compile abiword 1.0. But sadly newer DeliLinux was much worse on 86Box with low ram(8,16 mb), probably not really tested or tested with huuuuge swap ....
Maybe someone has already suggested you need to monitor with something a lot more flat, but FYI it's 'booming' a heck of a lot: somewhere in the upper-lows to low-mids.
I'm listening on TRUTH B2023A reference monitors, everything else across all types of content sounds very flat.
I was using a pentium 4 2.4ghz 512k 2gb ram and FX 5500 until 2016, when the ethernet died. Move to a amd 64 3800+.
When I started again teh pentium 4 the ram conection was broken.
The igpu is worst that the FX 5500, very ironic.
You might want to try AntiX linux. It's a lightweight Debian, with a full APT package manager.
And also DSL (Damn Small Linux) has made a recent comeback after like 12 years hiatus...
DSL is now basically an even more lightweight AntiX, and will run on a potatoe.
Too bad AntiX had to involve woke and (anti)facist ideology on their website. Just leave politics out of it. Linux is for everbody.
Main problem here is ati mobility video card.
same as on thinkpad t41 - it does not support modern opengl (ever since switch to kms), and as it is an old card - the r100 revision was basically abandoned.
if laptop would have had intel integrated card - things would have been much faster with the browser
My first CPU was a laptop Pentium 4, not out of choice, but because it's what I got secondhand.
Believe it or not I was playing Spore on that machine with only 512MB of RAM.
This is a desktop, what if my old DESKTOP Pentium 4 inside Lenovo BTX case? What could I do now? Any ideas?
Never heard of Adelie Linux before, looks similar to Xubuntu that I use on my Fujitsu Celsius H700 laptop. Nice that Adelie supports other architectures aswell, I'll maybe try it on my HP ZD8000 laptop, aswell as a dual PIII 1.4ghz 2gb ram system that I have. Also have a G3, G4 and a G5. Thanks so much for showing us this, it brings new life to older pc's and macs.
I still have gentoo on a Dell of the same vintage with the same P4m in it (got it in 2001). That system has played many hours of Unreal Tournament. The main difference is it has a dedicated Nvidia Geforce2 go GPU so I don't have software rendering for everything. It's in the "desktop replacement" category of laptops of the day, and did a reasonable job of living up to the claim. :-)
@ActionRetro I doubt Adelie is doing much different. I suspect much of the difference will be fewer running services and a lighter init system (OpenRC). A lot of packages, like Xfce, also have a lot of often invisible optional features that can be turned off at compile time, features that add weight. I've built several Linux systems from tarballs back in the day, you'll be surprised how small you can get a full-blown desktop system if you don't turn on all the less-useful features, including with Xfce.
You opening that particular episode of Doctor Who on this machine _sent me_
Because I have some very fond memories of watching DW curled up in a corner of my room with a laptop _very similar to that_. Not as pretty, not from the same brand, but P4 based and such.
PS: I wonder how well (or badly) it would go if one tried to play UA-cam through SMPlayer on this machine, without all the web stuff, just stream the video.
Around 1998 My brother in law had a p90 while I had to use a hand me down computer to play Wing commander: Privateer.
Man, in 2000 I got my first PC to go off to college with and it was a Celeron. Later on I got a Slot A Athlon. The Pentium 4 coming out at the same time just seems insane to me now. But budgets will budget.
I have a couple of P4 computers i use. They all run debian linux on them. Some of them have been dedicated to server status (they only boot up when needed. my power bill can handle the 100W for a few hours every month) and a few of them are basically thin clients. I install remmina and use that to rdp into my "general purpose" VM that has plenty of resources.
One of my P4 computers i use as a thin client is a panasonic CF-U1. I have debian boot off a SD card. I have been throwing around the idea of putting a raspberry pi CM4 or something like that in the SSD bay and seeing if i can get that to be usable for modern software.
480p UA-cam works fine with mypal on windows XP with my 32-bit desktop pentium 4 machine and an nvidia fx 5600 xt. In fact it was even run 1.12.2 java minecraft with optifine using tlauncher 1.8 (which still supports XP and microsoft accounts) pefectly at 30fps. Browsing is a little sluggish though. Somewhat usable however.
My P4 HT 3.0E + HD 4650 AGP can run the latest Minecraft 1.21 at a stable 0-1fps. Old versions of course run a lot better
@@Pasi123 My P4 HT 3.4E (socket 478) + 2 GB DDR400 + Sapphire HD4650 AGP (driver Catalyst 10.4 Hotfix AGP) can play UA-cam videos up to 1080p resolution in Windows 8.1 with h264ify extension, but it's quite slow in web browsing and it runs very hot!
I tried installing the latest versions of Catalyst graphic drivers, but I noticed a noticeable drop in video streaming performance.
the first few seconds of the video were cool
PENTIUM 4 LINUX YEAHHHHHHHH
What is your plan for it's use if youtube doesn't work? Maybe a micro computer emulator for a Zx Spectrum?
P4 reminds an early attempt to deliver the windows running wall heater or the cooking stove.
I have a 2000 Fujitsu-Siemens laptop which was being thrown out at work. Installed debian on it, which works surprisingly well. Pentium 3 (celeron) 500MHz, 192MB RAM and 6 gigs of harddrive! I run openbox though, anything else is waay too slow. Firefox will run but is unusably slow. Though i think the biggest bottleneck is the hard drive, I think it's dying.
I can't believe how badly the youtube video ran. I had 720p youtube playing perfectly fine in Chrome on a Pentium M on XP in cca 2016. What exactly did they fuck up to make it run so much worse?
Google keep sabotaging Chrome video acceleration on Linux.
Firstly they have it disabled by default, and secondly whenever anyone gets video compression working on Linux, Chromium's engineers will migrate Linux Chromium onto a new version of the video framework that isn't finished so that video acceleration stops working again.
Interestingly, if one goes through and makes a few trivial changes to the code to match the video acceleration path on ChromeOS, and then waits for a day for chromium to recompile, they can easily enable video acceleration on Linux themselves, unfortunately, the open source code only compiles a crippled version of Chromium that doesn't support DRM or syncing.
Brave's developers usually eventually work around whatever roadblocks Google throws in the way of video acceleration on Linux, allowing it to work sometimes if it's enabled, but sometimes it takes them a while to work around to degoogling the video acceleration.
I saw a guy fit a full desktop in a custom laptop that was this thick, i bet you could remove all the internals of this and use this as a desktop sleeper build
You should try to run Scrcpy to use it as a monitor for a phone. I ran Scrcpy( on q4os) on a laptop with an atom n570 and 2 GB ram. I could mirror my phone screen at 480p perfectly fine, which is amazing considering how the laptop struggles to run UA-cam at the same resolution
Google making sure that anything can run an ad on youtube
I was really impressed with my 2GHz Pentium 4 laptop when I got it to play 240p UA-cam at around 20fps recently. I was using the K-Meleon browser under windows xp.
Tiny Core Linux or Puppu Linux is what you meed tor that. JWM should be uses much less RAM thna XFCE.
Use the UA-cam downloader app under puppy for smooth viewing.
LXQT or better yet enlightenment would help stretch that CPU's legs even more. XFCE with GTK3 as a dependency isn't really lightweight anymore.
Wow. OK. I bought the same laptop about a month ago from a local thrift store. I have been wondering what OS to run. This is a timely video.
You now made me want to take my HP Astra Pentium III out of the closet and try it out… I was using it in the late 2010s including for UA-cam
Tip valid for every PC that is not from 2015 onwards: install h264ify or disable VP8/9 on about:config