I was kind of ambivalent to the theory that Osiris was ambivalent to the theory that Osiris was corrupted in some fashion, but after the ending cutscene, I can totally see it.
I originally had my doubts thinking we were just getting a taste of Osiris’s true character due to more interaction with him. But what we’ve seen through the epilogue all but confirms something is up either corruption or impersonation, Savathun is the cause.
Right? Initially, it seemed like we were just getting a reminder: "Osiris was kinda obsessed with the Darkness, Vex and Hive alike. He was banished for a reason." But now, the longer this went on, it's like...bro you're starting to scare me. This isn't the same Osiris from Year 1. This is obviously someone different. Be it impersonation or possession, idk, but it's freakin me tf out
i wonder of osiris didn't actually lose sagira but like, savathun swooped in, took her and offered a deal with him or something (by deal i mean her going "do these things for me or little light go by bye") i refuse to believe sagira died just like that
1:45 this was the give away for me in the game. She was so alarmed by this and his voice well.. savathuns voice was shakey as if she thought ikora figured it out.
8:00 This did it for me. This is the last straw. Aside from the sinster undertones of "i wont make that mistake again" Osiris knew what we were capable of when we beat Panoptes AND rescued his bird husband. He has no reason to underestimate us. This sent chills down my spine when I first heard it. The voice acting and writing this season was so good
What always gets me the most is how truly somber he (savathun) sounds when they say "does that erase a history of violence?". Everything he says usually has this tone of morbid devilish curiosity or sinister contemplation to it but that one line sounds almost like pain and genuine sorrow. I how savathun wants to reject the worm and the sword logic but I think there's something more beneath it all.
In book of sorrow, there's a point where her and oryx are talking and she mentions her doubt that the hives complete destruction of everything is really the right thing to do, or something along that
No one talking about how the crown of sorrow turned the scorn into the flood from halo? Osiris literally describes a grave mind. Maybe that's something to keep in mind
@@nacho2920 Yeah, maybe that, but I don't know, the line felt very out of place for Osiris as a character (at least, the way I have learned to know him)
“The ignorance of my youth “ Savathûn , more specifically Sathona , before discovering the cosmic game that is the Light and Dark , aswell as a means to escape their 10 year lives and embrace immortality “The pain of change” Ingesting the worm and taking the form of Savathun , abandoning Fundament and their original destiny to save their people ,only to become players in the Universe “Unproven faith wilted by logic” Savathun doesn’t think the sword logic will save her nor is her immortality actual immortality. With her worm constantly edging her to feed it or die. Savathun has abandoned the sword logic and is seeking a means to circumvent her inevitable death. Just a theory
@@walshy1760 it makes LOTS of sense, the final part also coincides with what lore found in-game this and previous seasons are implying, as she wants to endlessly feed her worm in some kind of pocket dimension where time passes much faster, but, as it will never stop hungering, I do believe when she got knowledge from Nokris she is planning something along the lines of this. Thank you for the detailed comment, love this game
@@walshy1760 Thank you for that absolutely mind blowing theory. You don't know how much it made me make sense of those 3 lines of Osiris in the Glykon even more now.
Aw man… he was one of my favourite characters, seeing him work with the awoken, the war mind, i really thought he was a hero. Now, without his light, I see him being corrupted. I hope we can save him.
My theory is Osiris actually died at the beginning of season of the hunt and it’s been savathun as a copy. It would be interesting to go back there and find a old dried up corpse of Osiris
@@relaxedberserker4156 Osiris is still probably alive but most likely in a different way judging by what we've seen in the cut scene with savathun for season of the loss
In retrospect, Savathun knew that the Witness had eyes and ears wherever Darkness seeped, and that she only hide behind the Guardians because it figured out her betrayal and hiding the Veil.
I'm low-key hoping Savathun becomes our ally in Witch Queen. Think about it. - Actively berates other high-ranking Hive. - Is being hunted by her own kind. - Currently deals with a dilemma in which the Worm Gods are seeking to evolve the Hive to their doom, but cannot kill them or else the Hive cease to exist. - Has more extensive Hive knowledge than Eris. - Has extensive understanding of Vex infrastructure. Like, she'll need the Guardians to put an end to the Worm Gods.
That kind of makes the part where osisris asks if it's worth pursuing peace between them and humans even though they both have a past with countless deaths, but I'm with the other comments here. She could help us against the witch queen, but you shouldn't see her as an ally
So at this moment right here 1:19 as he would be speaking for the Witch Queen would this mean that Savathun and the other hive gods are afraid of Guardians posessing powers from the Darkness?
7:10 In a page of the lore book Beneath the Endless Night, Lakshmi and Hideo were talking to Arach Jalal and it’s revealed they aprroched Saladin with the proposal, but he rejected and their next option was Saint. Osiris straight up lied, they had already tried Saladin before Saint.
I’m pretty sure that Savathun has a clone of herself impersonating Osiris likely since he returned to the tower after segera was destroyed. Which in and of itself may be an illusion as well to get us to trust this version of Osiris. I’d personally put more stock into the Osiris we’ve seen since beyond light launched being an imposter rather than actually being him. I don’t think he would ever be so foolish as to fall into Savathun’s grasp and be manipulated like that. Lakshmi on the other hand… through the help of “Osiris” learned how to modify the technology the FWC used to see the future. This technology I believe was tampered with by Savathun. She interfered with it to only show Lakshmi what Savathun wanted her to see. Which would send her on the path she took. This is but a distraction. Testing us, prodding us to reveal more information. She knows that Osiris is a weak point for us. She will use that. She knows that crow is a weak point for us, she will use him. He may be strong if heart but he is knew. Not as strong in the light and can be easily corrupted, especially if she uses Osiris as a tool to do so. I can imagine that she will try and use him to attempt another assassination on Zavala. Which may or may not succeed. If it were to succeed then the vanguard would be without another leader and this time one of the most important leaders. By now I would assume that she has taken notice of us and knows that we are not swayed by her tricks, if we are allowed to continue gunning for her we will get to her and will take her down like we did her brother Oryx. So to get us out of the picture we will be sent on some wild goose chases. Potential trying to locate Osiris and Crow. Likely getting caught in a trap along the way. We then will most likely be saved by the darkness but it will be to late to save the city. Zavala, and Ikora will be gone. Either imprisoned or dead. Either way lightless and helpless and Savathun will have taken over the city. Attempting to break the traveler in order to corrupt the light it gives and use it to sever her bond with her worm. We will be the only ones that can stop her.
Sagira is definitely dead but osiris might be alive, in fact according to the wolftone draw loretab he has been conscious and aware of everything that savathun was doing while she impersonated him.
there is a line in the pressage quest that caiatl says she saw her past and osiris responds that "The ignorance of my youth... the pain of change... unproven faith wilted by logic."
2:10 If Osiris let Mithrax work on the device Lakshmi uses then she may not have misinterpreted her prophecies and opened a vex portal in Botza. I don't think this is the Osiris we know.
2:50, no one noticed that when mithrax says that he doesn't think children of the light are his enemy, then osiris asks if it erases a history of violence. Savathun's clearly talking about herself. she's about to be a "child of light" and asks if he'll forgive a history of violence
good eye at 7:06! Another one could be when "Osiris" rejects mithrax's proposal to improve "the device" because "The black armory has already provided enhancements". The black armory is gone.
Hey mabye Osiris actually died at the beginning of season of the hunt and it’s been savathun as a copy. It would be interesting to go back there and find a old dried up corpse of Osiris (Edit) oh shit I was half right
I have to applaud Oded Fehr (Osiris’s voice actor). From the moment we find him on the Moon, he just SOUNDS a little off. Not enough to be obvious at first, but enough for me to be like, “Huh, that’s a little weird.” His tone, the cadence of his voice, his way of speaking, everything. Beautiful character acting.
I think something happened to him when he went after the High Celebrant the first time. Either corrupted when it killed his ghost(or maybe he killed Sagira) or replaced. It felt very...off that we never saw Sagira die. I attributed it to lazy storytelling at the time but now there might be an actual reason for it. Something happened on that mission and I feel we will learn on the 24th
@@sm3sam97 before the season begin. During his following reports, after he interact at the dreadnought with the hive organic technology and learn something from them. Then been hearing voices since then
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"I won't underestimate you again."
I don't hear Osiris speaking when he says that.
Exactly my thoughts, it sent chills down my spine the first time I heard it
Time stamp?
Welp
@@Konner.Cue76 8:00
Thats when I started to believe the community... that Osiris was Savathun
“You would join hands with Savathûn? 🥺👉👈”
-Savathûn
ikora: still plotting are we?
savathun: oh shit!
I think to some extent she had suspicions
Bet she broke a sweat at that moment
@@unseentreeclimber8644 i think you can hear it when she said pardon there, sounded shocked
That “Pardon” at 1:47 made me cackle, he definitely thought she was on to him lmao.
Savathun: *internally screaming*
“Still plotting are we?”
Pa-pa-pardon?
Oh nvm
Yeah I see you witch, I see you...
I originally had my doubts thinking we were just getting a taste of Osiris’s true character due to more interaction with him. But what we’ve seen through the epilogue all but confirms something is up either corruption or impersonation, Savathun is the cause.
Right? Initially, it seemed like we were just getting a reminder: "Osiris was kinda obsessed with the Darkness, Vex and Hive alike. He was banished for a reason." But now, the longer this went on, it's like...bro you're starting to scare me. This isn't the same Osiris from Year 1. This is obviously someone different. Be it impersonation or possession, idk, but it's freakin me tf out
i wonder of osiris didn't actually lose sagira but like, savathun swooped in, took her and offered a deal with him or something (by deal i mean her going "do these things for me or little light go by bye") i refuse to believe sagira died just like that
@@DIGITALGH05T that preseason lore for season of the hunt suggests otherwise, but we’ll just have to wait and see
"okay guys I know a way to fix this"
*Osiris has left the game*
1:45 this was the give away for me in the game. She was so alarmed by this and his voice well.. savathuns voice was shakey as if she thought ikora figured it out.
Season Of arrivals: Savathun messes up the messages from The Darkness for us
Season Of The Splicer: Osiris wants all contact with The Darkness stopped
At first I simply thought it was because Sagira functioned as 99% of this man's impulse control, but now... ohhhh dear.
I loved this element of the narrative so much, the dialogue is soooo good in hindsight
8:00
This did it for me. This is the last straw. Aside from the sinster undertones of "i wont make that mistake again" Osiris knew what we were capable of when we beat Panoptes AND rescued his bird husband. He has no reason to underestimate us. This sent chills down my spine when I first heard it. The voice acting and writing this season was so good
6:38
"I lack the temperament for leadership"
bitch you were literally the Warlock Vanguard for a long damn time
1:47, you can hear “Osiris” being startled, thinking Ikora figured out her disguise but calmed down after realizing the truth.
What always gets me the most is how truly somber he (savathun) sounds when they say "does that erase a history of violence?". Everything he says usually has this tone of morbid devilish curiosity or sinister contemplation to it but that one line sounds almost like pain and genuine sorrow.
I how savathun wants to reject the worm and the sword logic but I think there's something more beneath it all.
In book of sorrow, there's a point where her and oryx are talking and she mentions her doubt that the hives complete destruction of everything is really the right thing to do, or something along that
I think the line that really drives it home is that "I won't make that mistake again"
No one talking about how the crown of sorrow turned the scorn into the flood from halo? Osiris literally describes a grave mind. Maybe that's something to keep in mind
Osiris recommending ZERO communication with the darkness is so out of character if you think about his behavior in the past. Savathûn caught lacking.
Something I find SUS is also when, on the Glykon, he says what he hears and talks about his YOUNGER days. Guardians don't age
But time passes since he was resurrected. A young guardian is someone who was recently rezzed.
@@nacho2920 Yeah, maybe that, but I don't know, the line felt very out of place for Osiris as a character (at least, the way I have learned to know him)
“The ignorance of my youth “
Savathûn , more specifically Sathona , before discovering the cosmic game that is the Light and Dark , aswell as a means to escape their 10 year lives and embrace immortality
“The pain of change”
Ingesting the worm and taking the form of Savathun , abandoning Fundament and their original destiny to save their people ,only to become players in the Universe
“Unproven faith wilted by logic”
Savathun doesn’t think the sword logic will save her nor is her immortality actual immortality. With her worm constantly edging her to feed it or die. Savathun has abandoned the sword logic and is seeking a means to circumvent her inevitable death.
Just a theory
@@walshy1760 it makes LOTS of sense, the final part also coincides with what lore found in-game this and previous seasons are implying, as she wants to endlessly feed her worm in some kind of pocket dimension where time passes much faster, but, as it will never stop hungering, I do believe when she got knowledge from Nokris she is planning something along the lines of this.
Thank you for the detailed comment, love this game
@@walshy1760 Thank you for that absolutely mind blowing theory. You don't know how much it made me make sense of those 3 lines of Osiris in the Glykon even more now.
The best twist Bungie could pull now is to show that Osiris was innocent, and Saint was Savathûn all along.
yeah but twists have to make sense to be good. They would have to do an hell of an asspull for that to work.
@@vorpalweapon4814 sounds like something Savathûn would say to try and divert our attention.
5:31 that was so sus, homie had to stop and process what he heard
Anyone here after the reveal?
Aw man… he was one of my favourite characters, seeing him work with the awoken, the war mind, i really thought he was a hero. Now, without his light, I see him being corrupted.
I hope we can save him.
The theory is that that’s not even him… he still has his light but was replaced by a fake osiris who doesn’t have a ghost
Savathun
I'm still unsure if osiris is corrupted or if she's using his form to spy on us
My theory is Osiris actually died at the beginning of season of the hunt and it’s been savathun as a copy. It would be interesting to go back there and find a old dried up corpse of Osiris
@@relaxedberserker4156 Osiris is still probably alive but most likely in a different way judging by what we've seen in the cut scene with savathun for season of the loss
To think he had periods of being aware of being possessed
In retrospect, Savathun knew that the Witness had eyes and ears wherever Darkness seeped, and that she only hide behind the Guardians because it figured out her betrayal and hiding the Veil.
I'm low-key hoping Savathun becomes our ally in Witch Queen. Think about it.
- Actively berates other high-ranking Hive.
- Is being hunted by her own kind.
- Currently deals with a dilemma in which the Worm Gods are seeking to evolve the Hive to their doom, but cannot kill them or else the Hive cease to exist.
- Has more extensive Hive knowledge than Eris.
- Has extensive understanding of Vex infrastructure.
Like, she'll need the Guardians to put an end to the Worm Gods.
She will styeal the light like Ghaul did. Her endgame is, and always has been, to become a god of the Absolute.
That kind of makes the part where osisris asks if it's worth pursuing peace between them and humans even though they both have a past with countless deaths, but I'm with the other comments here. She could help us against the witch queen, but you shouldn't see her as an ally
Destiny 2 season of the sus
2:07 and 2:23 if you listen to them one after the other one it makes it relatively sus
So at this moment right here 1:19 as he would be speaking for the Witch Queen would this mean that Savathun and the other hive gods are afraid of Guardians posessing powers from the Darkness?
Susvathun
7:10 In a page of the lore book Beneath the Endless Night, Lakshmi and Hideo were talking to Arach Jalal and it’s revealed they aprroched Saladin with the proposal, but he rejected and their next option was Saint. Osiris straight up lied, they had already tried Saladin before Saint.
The biggest moment for me is when you defeat Quria - and Osiris isn't happy at all. If anything, he sounds *angry*
I think Savathun was influenced by the idea that we decided to work together with the Eliskni of House Light.
I’m pretty sure that Savathun has a clone of herself impersonating Osiris likely since he returned to the tower after segera was destroyed. Which in and of itself may be an illusion as well to get us to trust this version of Osiris. I’d personally put more stock into the Osiris we’ve seen since beyond light launched being an imposter rather than actually being him. I don’t think he would ever be so foolish as to fall into Savathun’s grasp and be manipulated like that. Lakshmi on the other hand… through the help of “Osiris” learned how to modify the technology the FWC used to see the future. This technology I believe was tampered with by Savathun. She interfered with it to only show Lakshmi what Savathun wanted her to see. Which would send her on the path she took. This is but a distraction. Testing us, prodding us to reveal more information. She knows that Osiris is a weak point for us. She will use that. She knows that crow is a weak point for us, she will use him. He may be strong if heart but he is knew. Not as strong in the light and can be easily corrupted, especially if she uses Osiris as a tool to do so. I can imagine that she will try and use him to attempt another assassination on Zavala. Which may or may not succeed. If it were to succeed then the vanguard would be without another leader and this time one of the most important leaders. By now I would assume that she has taken notice of us and knows that we are not swayed by her tricks, if we are allowed to continue gunning for her we will get to her and will take her down like we did her brother Oryx. So to get us out of the picture we will be sent on some wild goose chases. Potential trying to locate Osiris and Crow. Likely getting caught in a trap along the way. We then will most likely be saved by the darkness but it will be to late to save the city. Zavala, and Ikora will be gone. Either imprisoned or dead. Either way lightless and helpless and Savathun will have taken over the city. Attempting to break the traveler in order to corrupt the light it gives and use it to sever her bond with her worm. We will be the only ones that can stop her.
Damn that’s a long paragraph
I hope Osiris and Sagira are just trapped somewhere and weren't just killed by Savathun
Sagira is definitely dead but osiris might be alive, in fact according to the wolftone draw loretab he has been conscious and aware of everything that savathun was doing while she impersonated him.
@@mmandible5470 Yeah, after reading the new timeline, Sagira is 100% dead but Osiris is alive
5:16 She really stroked her own ego there
there is a line in the pressage quest that caiatl says she saw her past and osiris responds that "The ignorance of my youth... the pain of change... unproven faith wilted by logic."
2:10 If Osiris let Mithrax work on the device Lakshmi uses then she may not have misinterpreted her prophecies and opened a vex portal in Botza. I don't think this is the Osiris we know.
And this is by no means all of it either. Susiris is sus
Susathun
Osisus
OsirSUS
2:50, no one noticed that when mithrax says that he doesn't think children of the light are his enemy, then osiris asks if it erases a history of violence. Savathun's clearly talking about herself. she's about to be a "child of light" and asks if he'll forgive a history of violence
Warning spoilers for season of lost if you didn’t play the first mission
Well he was possessed by savathun from season of the hunt
I never played the season missions. Damn osiris is sus when you learned about him and his vocaburary in lore
good eye at 7:06! Another one could be when "Osiris" rejects mithrax's proposal to improve "the device" because "The black armory has already provided enhancements". The black armory is gone.
The black armoury is still there
Ada has been doing her best to help behind the scenes and now only getting into armor business after the loss of the forges
They were just TEASING us about savosiris,weren’t they?🤣🤣🤣
Hey mabye Osiris actually died at the beginning of season of the hunt and it’s been savathun as a copy. It would be interesting to go back there and find a old dried up corpse of Osiris
(Edit) oh shit I was half right
When I was doing the splicer story on my character during orisis conversations I his eyes and their green so I think he is corrupted
She was very convincing. But the way he was acting so bluntly and without little second thought… it kinda gave her away.
Osiris vented
Savathūn
Next minute you find out he was the next boss 😂
I have to applaud Oded Fehr (Osiris’s voice actor). From the moment we find him on the Moon, he just SOUNDS a little off. Not enough to be obvious at first, but enough for me to be like, “Huh, that’s a little weird.” His tone, the cadence of his voice, his way of speaking, everything. Beautiful character acting.
Susiris
Ok so the crown could come into play next season too compium⁹
beginning part he was not acting sus
But In season of the splicer he became suspicious
So has Savathun been osiris since the curse of Osiris or was it after Sagira Died
As far as we know, when sagira died.
Osisus
I love Caiatl
Correct me if I'm wrong, he change ever since he interact at the dreadnought
I think something happened to him when he went after the High Celebrant the first time.
Either corrupted when it killed his ghost(or maybe he killed Sagira) or replaced. It felt very...off that we never saw Sagira die. I attributed it to lazy storytelling at the time but now there might be an actual reason for it.
Something happened on that mission and I feel we will learn on the 24th
@@sm3sam97 before the season begin. During his following reports, after he interact at the dreadnought with the hive organic technology and learn something from them. Then been hearing voices since then
He's so sussy HNNNNNNNNNGH
osusris
more like Osussyus
Susumogus
osisus lol
I don’t care if Osiris is good or bad he’s literally done too much and experienced so many things I will always admire him
It's not osiris tho
*Amogus* 🤨
:)
First dislike
nah mine was first
Fuck I gotta be faster
I’m probably just coping but some part of me wishes that at least one of the things she did with us as Osiris was at least real or genuine. 🥹