My Musikraft 5150 Replica Guitar Project!
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- Опубліковано 26 сер 2024
- I made a video showing the process of my putting together a Kramer 5150 replica. Music was done using BIASFX in Pro-tools 10 through a Focusrite 2i2. Hope you enjoy!
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if you dont want the red to bleed the best thing is put the white coat on let it dry really well , tape it up then do another thin coat of white over it, let it dry then do the red coats. This will 'seal' the tape edges and stop the bleeding - nice work
Hey thanks for the info I might so another one at some point I'll try that technique
This exactly! It's an old painter's trick I learned painting trim. That's IF you don't want the bleed. You'll get a nice crisp line.
100% you will have to put 300 coats of white paint before it is actually white depending on the paint type.
Genius!
I have a kramer that was painted like the 5150 in the 80s, sanded it, ordered a evh humbucker to replace the emg in it. About to start the painting
When that paint starts to peel and flake, and it will, it will look even more authentic. Don't forget the cigarette burn. Nice job!
Cool bro, the VH striped guitars are fun to paint! I have done a Frankenstrat, the original B&W one and I also have the Bumblebee one. Just a friendly piece of advice for doing the stripes I learned from my own experience. On my first one I used "Frog Tape"masking tape and they all got those little bleed under edges like you got, no matter how well you burnish down the tape edges. Frog Tape is supposed to be the best masking tape for painting but I was really upset to see my edges were not clean. I am exceptionally picky when doing my paint jobs and ended up stripping off all of the paint and starting over - which REALLY SUCKED! I then tried using vinyl pin striping material you buy at automotive shops and it works AWESOME! You can bend it easier for curves and when you burnish it down, zero paint gets under the edges and when you peel it off, your lines are super crisp!
I just wanted to pass this along, as it worked great on all my other guitars. I hope you all find this useful.
rickpd2005 thanks for that tip! I noticed ya always get bleed thru around the tape...why I hate using it for household painting... trim and other stuff. Thought about doing some striping on a guitar I'm working on now. If I do, I'll surely try it! Thanks again!
rickpd2005 you wont get much bleeding if you apply paint in thin mist layers
Karlo Klanac Good tip with the misting paint... you can also lay a barrier coat to seal the tape edges by shooting a light coat of the last color you sprayed before you taped off and letting it dry. If this coat bleeds, it matches the color of what was underneath it.
Paint stores sell good tape with the perfect widths for this stuff. I think it helps to go thin coats as well. That keeps bleeding to a minimum. Plus, it wears better.
I've had good results using Tamiya model masking tape when I did my Franky
As a massive Van Halen fan, this was freaking awesome, dude. The 5150 is one of my favourite guitars Eddie used (alongside his Frankenstein and the Black & White one from the first VH album), and I gotta admit that I'm pretty impressed with how it turned out
The frankenstrat and the black and white one are the same guitar....
Black and white guitar and frankenstrat are the same
I think you and your dad did a fantastic job on this and it looks great. I painted a Tele with the similar red paint and it's been fine! No chipping or flaking! I didn't want a factory clear coat look and it's holding up! Only one thing. Not trying to be critical, just trying to help. I have a lot of experience with solder. When you were installing the ground wire, I noticed you dabbing the pencil. You got it backwards. Hold the heat on and dab the solder, till you have enough. The only place you need to be careful of getting too much heat is on the pots. I hold the heat to the back of the pot and quickly dab a blob of solder, heating it just till it spreads out. Remove the heat. Tin your wires with a little solder. Then touch the wire to the solder already on the back of the pot. Heat till solder flows, maybe dabbing a little more solder. Don't heat for too long. I tin all my wires before attatching them to anything. Good luck and I hope this helps!👍😎🎸🎶
I'll def keep it in mind when I do the next project!
@@RobNY5150 👍😎
Love that cold solder
Nice job I actually prefer the non super clean tape lines like Ed's original paint jobs. Bet it will look great once it's all dirtied up with hand gunk.
So I bought one of these but a cheap Chinese brand off eBay for $225. Out of the box it actually played good, neck was straight, intonation was right on. The only thing that needed to be done was the frets needed to be polished, when bending a string it felt like sandpaper lol but I just used polishing wheels on a dremel with polishing compound from a hardware store it was like a wax compound and the frets were mint afterwards didn’t take long at all. I then took the guitar apart to paint it. When putting it back together I installed a EVH tone pot because I love them. The tuners are crap but since it’s a locking Floyd I didn’t bother replacing them. I had to add a 4th spring for the bridge because 3 were not enough to play in standard tuning because of how the body is routed, you would need to route the body out more if you wanted to use less springs to play in standard tuning. The strap pegs are junk and use very small screws so for sure need some strap locks. It has a cheap Floyd rose but it actually works just fine I’ve used a bunch of cheap Floyd rose bridge’s sometimes they work great like this one and sometimes you just need to do some work to make them work good usually just need to file down rough spots and where the strings lock in the bridge then they work just fine but again this cheap Floyd needed nothing it works great, also don’t be an animal when tightening the bolts down they don’t need to be super super tight just snug so if they strip out don’t blame the manufacturer you over tighten them. The pickup actually sounds really good and doesn’t not squeal when playing loud I figured I would have to replace the pick up no way it would be good for that cheap of a guitar and I am the type of guy that replaces pickups in pretty much every guitar because I’m a tone chaser but I’m leaving this one for now. So bottom line the Chinese eBay Kramer is a great buy. If ur gonna play it at gigs I would replace the tuners, volume pot and strap locks then it’s definitely gig worthy. Because it’s a cheap Chinese guitar maybe they don’t put the same pickup in every guitar or maybe the quality is hit or miss so its possible you might want to change the pickup plus everyone has different taste but again I am all about tone and the pickup I got sounds great! If you go to guitar center to buy a new guitar this one is every bit as good as many new 500-1000 buck guitars. Oh last thing the Harmonics are super loud on this guitar, it’s just a loud guitar over all. If you don’t plug it in it’s super loud compared to almost anything I’ve ever played so the sustain is amazing!
I just got my Kramer kit guitar but I don’t think I can do the standard evh colors I want to but I have a hard time playing somes guitar. I’m either gonna do black or some flashy 80’s colors! I’ve always wanted to do big metal flakes maybe orange like that super 70’s metal flake that was on the jet boats back then.
Need wetsanding and clear coats matte finish
wow .. very well done that looks fn awesome this is probably my #1 project i wanna do eddies kramer or frankie are my dream guitars and i feel like building it yourself not only brings you closer to the instrument itself but closer to eddie as thats what he did .. and plus 1500+ for a evh isnt crazy but that being said doing it yourself you can put whatever pickup add whatever u want
Looks fantastic. Great job.
Love the fact you didn't show how you added the black stripes to the body, we all love a good riddle.
At 5:10 I show how I did the black stripe on the headstock. Unfortunately the video for the body didn’t come out but it’s the same process.
Wow, nice job! I built a frankenstrat recently. I actually put a video on my channel if you’re interested. I really wanna build a 5150 next
Rob L ] You done a great job, glad too see that you enjoyed yourself.
Hey thanks!
Your pop's awsome! Good work, sir!
Nice job. My friend did this to a Squier strat 30 years ago, including a scarf jointed "banana" head stock. Then he saw the Dave Lee Roth Goin' Crazy video on MTV and tried to throw it around his neck like Steve Vai. Without strap locks it failed and stuck in the ground and broke the neck in half. His scarf joint was perfect.
smokinvalves haha I remember that video
Very cool.
Very very cool!
Absolutely awesome 😂👍
No sanding or gloss coat?
DEVILHORNS22 On Twitch hey yeah I did sand it lightly before but failed to film that part haha but the spray paint was a gloss finish already plus I was going for a more "homeade" feel
There was no sanding or clear on the original. :-)
That’s awesome. What did it end up costing you.
Hell no!!!..not if you want a true replica
danwilhite, there was sanding
Dude....great job!...and to everyone who is criticizing this guy remember that Eddie’s original guitar was put together by him using a $80 strat body and a $60 neck...and I bet some morons critiziced him too
Noel Perez hey thanks! This was my first attempt I looked at tons of videos and read forums to do this.
Nice job Bro!
Super nice.
Makes me want one too.
Awesome!!!
Went looking on musikraft yesterday and they have overhauled everything, they even sell frankie bodies with northern ash now.
Eddie would be proud.
Very good, great job!!!!
Thanks!!
Man that looks Awesome!! Great job.
Jackson Reviews Animation thanks!!! It was fun to do I learned a lot for next time.
just starting to do my own work on guitars after 30 years of playing. its even more satisfying imo.
Terminator X I would love to see any videos you make of a build
i want to do this someday
Some research indicates that Eddie probably used gaffers tape. This would explain why one edge of the tape is straight and crisp and the other edge is torn.
Makes sense. It’s what he had available at the time.
Adding the Floyd rose without routing that's cool
So awesome! Did you use a template for the tape width to make the stripes? Any tips on that?
Hey thanks! I basically looked up “5150 stripe pattern” and printed it out. I then looked at the print-out and applied the tape as closely as possible.
2 recommendations... Replace the FR special with a Gotoh 1996T, and in the future just by a Bourns Low friction pot whether it be Push Pull or not, They make the EVH one, and you are paying a lot more for packaging and merchandising, for the same Pot.
Floyd rose dumbazs!! No shitty gotoh on a Kramer ever!!! Fuckin c!owns!
Great work. I did one in pumpkin orange
Shawn Pierce thanks! Btw I've seen your videos before awesome
Rob L koolness hoss
The final product looks awesome. Is that headstock a banana or holy grail or hockey stick? Thanks
@@sourayanbiswas4591 According to my order at the time, it was a Banana 1 PC Constructed Neck. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Very cool 🤘
Looking good .
I did one 18 years ago. There was virtually no where to get a neck with the Hockey stick headstock. I had warmoth attempt it but it was stubby and bad.
Its pretty cool now because there are several custom shops that do these types of necks now.
Your right. It was the neck that was impossible to get. Why the fuck Kramer never made them to the public is beyond me. Then, ESP makes the same exact one forward and revered for George Lynch......Well, I have one now and as I mentioned on top, mine is an exact...replica to eds as the measurements were taken from the original 5150 headstock!
Hi I'm new to ur channel and I play an epiphone les Paul and I was hoping to build a Frankenstein type guitar cuz I'm a huge fan of van Halen and I was wondering how much did thet things to make the 5150 cost if it has just one pickup and all but thanks for sharing this stay awesome or mainly how much was the body and components
Hi thanks for your interest in my video! The best bet would be to go to the Musikraft site and check out the current prices on a pacer body and kramer style neck. The price varies depending on wood, options etc. The floyd special is like $80 and the Duncan was like $70?
Very nice, You did a great job bro.
Thanks!
Awesome build but me personally i use kustom kolor paints and 2k clear but you did it like eddie. Next time after you tape shoit 2 xoats of ckear to seal the tape to the body for less bleed through but damn thats sexy
Nice! Now you just have to play the hell out of it to wear it in!
Muito bom 👍!
nice job.
I am an electronics engineer but I know nothing abut guitars. I started to do a little research after being given a broken guitar and decided to fix it. One thing I noticed is the common practice of soldering a cable to the claw surface with a big blob of solder. I know noise is often picked up on joints like this so why not drill a small hole in the claw to make a neat connection. Also there is often poor soldering on the pots
thats because guitarists aren't electronics engineers and its usually a matter of ''if it works good enough don't mess with it''
I have been watching a few guitar based videos and while some are satisfied with "good enough" others are obsessed with generating a great tone without noise and spend a lot of money doing so
Did you clearcoat this guitar after all of the white red and black? and if you did how many cans or coats did you use?
He had two guitars ... the main one which had 1star and a backup with had 2 stars.
The BYO Lunatic version is vary nice as well... I recomend them if you plan on throwing in the nice expensive upgrades like i did? there worth that for the quality?
Well done. I loved doing mine, but I wished I would have gotten the wood from musicKraft like you did. Much more accurate. If someone is interested in building a 5150, just do it. Screw paying 1000s for one. It stays within the spirit of the actual one just being put together. It's rewarding to create something yourself and rock out to it also. But where did you get your volume knob? Mine is a little smaller than it should be.
Scott Willi hey thanks! I got the knob on eBay. It fits the EVH low friction pot.
Rob L great! Do you remember the vendor.
Scott Willi I believe this was them
m.ebay.com/itm/EVH-Fender-Wolfgang-Black-Control-Knob-W-Hex-Key-Fits-Bourns-SS-Pots-Brand-New/232660033570?epid=2167189995&hash=item362b9e6022:g:NdgAAOxyiOxR3NW4
Hey man, great looking guitar. What type of finish was on the neck that you bought, and how did you paint the headstock if there was a finish? Also, how did you finish the neck if there wasn't one on it (if you did finish the neck yourself)?
Hey the neck came with a thin sealer on it. It's like a satin. It's an option from musikraft. It protects the neck and allows musikraft to warranty the neck when you buy it. As far as the paint, honestly, it went right on with no problem.
Hey. Great video. Where did you get the thin tape for the stripes? Did you just cut it on a paper cutter or something? Thanks
Thanks! I just took a blade and cut the standard sized tape it was a pain in the ass next time I'm gonna try to buy it!
Rob L cool. I tried that too but then I found some skinny electrical tape that works great. I got 3/4, 1/4, 1/2 inch tape. If you’re making a Frankenstrat or another 5150, I would recommend using that.
So you did not clear coat or polish? Is the paint still on the guitar?
Jayden Valentine I chose not to clear so that it had a more homemade finish like the original. The paint is still like a hard candy shell no chipping away yet. If it does thats ok like the real one.
What kind of paint did you use
Awsome vid man! You should cop the original trem stopper they came with too. I think Khaler made them for the floyd original. I got an original Baretta 86 with the Lady of Liberty paint job and the shark headstock. I wish the original jb pickup didnt age bad on me tho;/
Reese Philp hey thanks!
Nice job👍🤘
Christoph Christoph thanks!
excuse me, but where can you buy or order the neck of this guitar?
Is there really no cutout for the Floyd?
Daragh Haddon the body was ordered routed for "non-floating" like all of Eddie's guitars.
if you want a floating FR 5150, you’d be better off with an ESP George Lynch Kamikaze
The 5150 and Musicman Axis (EVH) are top mount Floyd only. When you’re setting up your guitar, I can personally tell you how much of a pain this type of mount can be. To get low string height at higher frets, you have to shim the neck angle, over and over. A luthier tried to do a setting screw underneath one of my guitars, and it sucked the sustain away by not having the neck fitting the pocket correctly.
Once you do get it set correctly, a top mount Floyd Rose is much better than floating. There’s extra sustain from the bridge mounted directly on the body, and it doesn’t thin the sound. Also, if you break a string, you can get through a song with 5 strings without the strings being way off pitch.
Very nice!!🤟🤟
Thank you for sharing
Those paint coats sure
look heavy.
Steve
Was thinking the same thing, might as well just dip them in a bucket at that point
How long did you wait before pulling the tape off?
I think about 45 min - an hour? It was a while back I kinda forgot the details haha
Not sure what you were after, but no primer, no sanding, no clear coat and a lot of bleeding on your lines. As long as you’re happy with it, good to go.
The original did not have perfect, sharp edges to the lines even when it was new. The new EVH replicas have perfect lines, but they look "off" as a result. Too clean. No vibe. These guitars were like the Millennium Falcon. Rough around the edges and thrown together. But, they got the job done.
One thing people always get wrong is the color. The real one is more orange-ish than red. I've seen it up close. The original Frankie is very red. But, the 5150 definitely leaned more orange by comparison.
How much expensive is Kramer body guitar with the neck
I believe the neck and body were around $500. The entire project ran me around $650-$700.
You should have colour sanded and smooth root each base coat. It looks like you put the pain on with a paint brush
Nice
im just curious and dont mean to correct, question or criticize but why did you end up outside where there is wind bugs pollen debris of all sorts flying around when you had a nice enclosed paint room?
Scott Patterson that's a good question honestly I got tired of working in the confined space of the garage and even with a mask it got very misty so I took it outside. The paint actually came out ok no issues with pollen etc (just some running due to me inexperience)
If you need correct space tape let me know
Very nice 👍👍
DId you put sanding sealer on the heastock or just painted it?
In this case, I just sanded it and then painted it.
How much did the whole project run you? Meaning how much did it cost for the guitar, paint, and decals? Also what type of paint did you use? Did you use any clear coats?
I would say it was around $700 for the total cost including the spray paint, decals, floyd special, pickup, Dtuna etc. The spray paint I used is in the video. I ended up not using a clear coat because the paint already has a finish built in and I kinda wanted a homemade feel and look. The original didn't have a clear coat.
Pouaaaah! Mais c’est totalement râté!
Loved the video. I want to assemble a guitar too.
I'd like to build an Ash, mahogany, or alder Wolfgang hardtail. And paint it Ferrari red.
Does anyone make woldgang bodies? Can't find them. Warmouth had one but they discontinued it.
mjfan123085 hey thanks! This is the closest I know if but it's a floyd
www.byoguitar.com/Guitars/Electric-Guitar-Kit-Quilt-Top__BYO-Quilt-spc-Top.aspx
Were you happy with that shade of red? I've tested apple and strawberry from rustoleum but not the one you used.
Hey yeah this particular shade of red has a little orange in it I think and looks really close to the real one.
Sweet
Looks like a fun build. Good work
nicolamontoro hey thanks! it was fun I'm considering doing another this spring.
Which Neck did you get? The website has 4 different "banana" headstocks... ALso I assume it is the "pacer" body? Thanks
High from my order form: Banana 1 PC Constructed Neck. It is a Kramer Pacer body.
How long did you wait after painting the red before you remove the tape?
If I remember correctly about 24 hours. I recommend using ScotchBlue Sharp Lines Painter's Tape.
Look man, that's a great job, I just finished mine , mine was BYO, didn't come with the KRAMER sticker or the reflective 5150 and 🌟 star's, do you have any pointers on where I can get them ? That's all I need to finish
Hey thanks! Both sets are available on ebay. The Kramer waterslide decal and the 5150 sticker.
That was great to watch. You happy how it sounds?
Melonos hey glad you liked the video! It was fun to put it together and to make the video. It was a learning process and if I did another, I'd learn from my mistakes. I love how it sounds and plays. I'd have no problem gigging with this guitar.
Rob L thanks for replying. Great job once again.
Did u think it would be hard..... I am thinking too?
Love the guitar!. But is the bass playing the same song? It doesnt really fit in there
Haha it's supposed to. This is probably a few weeks after I finally picked up bass after years of playing only guitar.
How long do you wait to remove the tape? I made a frankenstrat build and I found pulling it off after a day made the paint lift up with it and it looked very jagged. What were your methods ?
I pull mine off roughly 1 hour after all coats of white or red were put on. The paint remains tacky so it won’t pull up, just pick off the tape not the paint
Good job
Great job, dude! How much did you paid for all parts?
Thanks! I would say with all the parts (I already had some) around $650-$700.
What kit do you suggest for a 5150 build, because musikraft is not doing bodies anymore?
Actually I'm not sure who makes bodies right now that are musikraft quality. If you are looking for a cheaper kit, BYOGUITAR has a decent budget kramer kit but again, not of musikraft quality.
When you bought it, did you select the "all holes" in the pre-drill section?
I think I only had to drill the volume hole.
108/5000
Hello Rob. I am stefan Republic of Moldova. How can I buy the Kramer 5150 replica kit and at what price. Thank you
Are these kits still available from this company?
These aren’t kits technically. They sell necks and bodies separately but last time I checked, they were only selling necks - definitely check out their website.
A layer of clear coat will help prevent the red bleeding into the stripes
Looks really cool! No cigarette burn mark at the headstock? Too painful to do it to that nice paint job! Lol☺
74dart man thanks! Yeah on this build I decided not to relic it. I did however relic my Frankenstrat build if you check that video out.
Rob L ok...will do!
Would it possible for me to buy one of those Kramer necks and replace it with the one on my squire?
Lupin I'm not sure what the neck pocket measurements are on Squires. You should def contact Musikraft and ask them I'm sure they've had that question before.
Wow. Looks awesome. Still have it? How much did you have in that? Killer job.
Hey thanks! I still have it in fact, it's one of my best playing guitars. I think if I had to guess (it's been a while) around $700 in.
Why does everybody paint the red second, it was black then whit then red.
How were the black stripes done
If you go to around 5:10 I briefly show how I apply the tape to do the black stripes last. I did this for the headstock and the body.
Cost?
anyone know the name of the song he used?
No name, just background music I recorded for the video.
how much money did this run you? Ive been looking into making a 5150 replica for a while and im wondering how much it would normally cost.
I would say ALL IN the project cost me around $600 not including the DTuna and the pickup which I already had. I'm gonna do a video review of the guitar soon.