Okay fine. RE-Ranking Our Favorite Watch Brands for 2023.
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
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You guys flooded the comments section of the last ranking video we dropped asking for more, and we listened! Today Christian and Michael continue their rankings of the best and worst watch brands of 2023. From brands like Tiffany & Unimatic, to Blancpain and Oris, no brand is safe from their list!
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I’m so glad Theo is back
I miss Harris though
Why can’t Theo & Harris ever get together, in the same room? Too much “Big Brain” energy? 🤣🤣🤣
I thought that was Harris??
He never left.
We both today!
Has Christian & Michael (or friends) ever ranked Vintage Brands ? Have they ever done a video about “Vintage Brands people don’t know about”? I am always trying to learn about Older, maybe discontinued brands to be on the look out for. Not the “big brands”, that everyone knows. What about other Vintage watches / brands the average Rolex/Omega owner doesn’t know about? I am always trying to learn. 👏👏👏
Really glad to see Sinn mentioned. Agreed that their website is a terrible experience but the brand is high value for their position. I've found it a bit frustrating that Sinn seems to get little to no recognition or screen time with popular watch youtubers. They may not have the best presence or marketable achievements but they have remarkably hard wearing watches for real utility purposes while executing great technical innovations to get their product there. I would love to see more content from your team regarding Sinn in the future.
So weird that their site is terrible (it is) because their instagram page is good.
German brands in general are underrated . Sinn , damasko . Hanhart , laco , muhle , tutima etc etc . Everyone seems to only care about lange and nomos .
Shhhhh
Can we have your ranking of Christian's sweaters next please?
All in the do not buy category
So CW that released 2 game breaking watches for fraction of the price other brands would make them and they are A, but a brand like GC that released 2 watches that are above 35k and look like a strange looking cartier gets S
Forget skeleton watches. I like to be able to tell the time when I look at a watch. Kinda funny that way.
Always a delight with Christian and Michael 👍
Welcome back Michael!
Nomos is S for having in house movements unlike Sinn, also having sizes from 35mm to 42mm to fit everyone
I just thought the opposite a few days ago: I found it strange that Suisse watchmakers don't use beautiful local languages on their luxury items. French and Italian in my opinion look/sound more classy. I see some German now and then, but thats primarily on German watches I believe. 3 (or 4 if you include Romansh) local languages and they resort to, in my (Dutch) opinion, the boring English...
Kletskoek (in my English opinion) 😉😆. Using French just sounds pretentious, as in; “Pretentious, moi ?!” (see Fawlty Towers) and would like as not be just another excuse to push SRPs to even more ridiculous highs, plus predictable and boring…unless you’re French or Quebecois where obliterating English is a national religion. 😂
But honestly, although I can speak some French and Italian, it would undoubtedly be the least important aspect of any watch design to me. Het maakt niks uit, you might say. In fact for me as a rule the less text on the dial, the better.
English is just the most practical language. Most people speak it these days, especially people looking for expensive watches. You also run the risk of being pretentious/thinking you're better than other brands by not using English.
That being said, my fave brand Lange uses lots of German on their dials, so I'm down for more foreign languages being on dials, but it's a tough sell.
@@Voltanaut Yeah but practical doesnt seem to be the main point of expensive watches. Otherwise quartz with a 24hour system wins it everytime. I think they get away without being looking pretentious because, depending on which region they are located, its their own language. You could argue by doing it in a larger language, thats pretentious, because you dont want to look small.
Yea, interesting. I get why brands use English mostly, and that's because it broadens the marketability of the watch to more countries. But I also agree with you in that it would be nice to see some French or Italian (Panerai does include some Italian and my 10 year old Navitimer uses French on the caseback) on more watches. It doesn't need to be every watch a brand makes, but maybe once in a while throw on a "Fab. Suisse" instead of the "Swiss Made" for variety's sake.
I love the Gerald Charles Maestro Squelette. The movement and the finish are just fantastic.
Perhaps you missed it. Journe released two watches in 2023 - 1) the incredible popular impossible to get Journe Elegante Titalyt now with a black dial. 2) The impossible to buy without an extensive purchase history, production FFC (Francis Ford Coppola) The first FFC was a piece unique Only Watch from 2022. Please move FPJ to the top of the list where they belong. 🤩
Glashutte Original PanoReserve in rose gold - my grail watch, along with the Lange Model 1815 in rose gold.
Where did & go? Bring him back
glad to see these two SICKOS back together for another video ranking stuff which are rarely worn even by owners
great to have Harris back
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Can't disagree about Breguet. They are my favorite brand. Anything with real guichet (sic) and enamel will win my heart, and their cases are something special, but it's a style that just isn't in fashion right now. Don't know if/when it ever will be again, but at least I can enjoy them...and actually afford them, on the used market because of it!
Love Nomos (the lambda in black and gold is honestly a grail piece for me), but I don't get the studio underdog hype at all. Looks like something you'd buy from the gift shop as you're leaving an art museum, or like if IKEA started a watch brand.
Totally agree. Their watermelon watch looks like an utter mess to me.
Uncool guys ... UN-cool, what you said about Breguet. I don't care about how they did this past year ... They've been around since the mid 18th century ... They don't need to update their collection every single year. Their pieces are testaments of high horology; and I don't think that's even debatable at this point. Other than that, loved the video. Keep'em coming, guys!
Could not agree more. Hyeks revival of Breguet and their use of traditional watchmaking such as guilloche was a masterstroke and is still very much a jewel in the Swatch Groups crown.
I hope GS stays unappreciated until I saved enough money to afford one.
I dont understand, why would you need to buy a daytona to scratch the tonga itch? They're so different?? What does sinn have to do with a speedmaster?
I'm so glad you re-did CW probably will make their own movement soon and they'll still keep prices down, and you'll still be able to pre-order and get your time piece on time 😂. Not working for them...😅
The Blancpain Air Command is such an underrated watch and its under 50mm lug to lug. If anyone wants to purchase a BP but has issues about their sizes (who doesn't?) then I'd recommend checking that watch out over the FF. I think it's more interesting anyway.
“The khaki field died at war so this could live…” 😂 such a great bar right there 🔥
I can’t believe you didn’t bring back everyone’s favorite watch brand, Raymond Weil.
I'd like to hear a deeper dive into Breguet. I would think that the classique and traditions lines would be right up Christian's ally (size can be an issue, I guess). This year they released a stunning minute repeater with a dark enamel dial (a bit big I guess).I realize that there's something missing - the watches really lose value and whoever they market their watches too, I don't ever come across them...
Yay Mike’s back I will re subscribe
What? This video was made before Christmas? .... ok.
Let’s see if they missed Kudoke, Holthinrichs, Laventure, Ophion, Lederer, Haldimann, Parmigiani, Formex, ZRC, Serica, Gronefeld, Zeitwinkel, Naoya Hida, Weiss, Horage, or Minase…😏
Christopher Ward needs to spend this year delivering watches. :)
Great episode. Really enjoyed this one.
sinn in a-tier is a massive w
Love the Omega ranking for 2023! ⌚👍
This was not re-ranking your favourite brands of 2023-but it was genius.
Guys woah hold up, is no one gonna call out the hilarious 'did we actually go to the moon' joke early in the episode? "When"!
If H Moser & AP had a illegitimate child who was adopted and brought up by Oris , that kid would be Christopher ward
The problem with GS is too many of them! I dont know what they represent other than special and limited editions. Even then I have to know what a lake in nowhere Japan looks like to identify the model.
CW and others like it are what have made me, umm, 'struggle', to understand the pricing of the likes of Longines, Baume et Mercier, Oris, etc. The only thing I can figure is they are hoping the name and past glories will cause people to pay the prices.
I think you're quoting the wrong brands. Longines, Baume et Mercier, Oris, etc. are bargains compared to Rolex, Omega, Blancpain, etc. Everything is relative, but the value you find in the middle to lower tier brands or "entry level luxury" brands is phenomenal IMO.
The Parmigiani minute rattrapante is such an S tier watch though. Such a classy, elegant, and usable complication
elegant with a virtually useless complication
S tier when ranking hideous watches
Todat's Breguet moves slowly and deliberately. They launched the new versions of Type 20 and Type XX with all new movements containing new mechanisms within that they filed patents on. Underneath their traditional looks, Breguet is developing new modern calibres. Easy to overlook and downplay since Breguet's marketing is underwhelming.
Wow, this is news to me (modern calibers). What a shame that it’s not being marketed.
@@MaestroDeca Read up on Breguet's new caliber 728 created for their new Type 20 and Type XX.
Studios field was a phenomenonally underrated release
We love Michael!!!🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
How about the "story" of Blancpain? Poised to pop? Come on!
Stop saying Glashütte Original is a rip-off of Lange...that's just not true! Lange and Glashütte are both the legal owners of the Panomatic design...
The back and forth with this format of trying to read Michael’s mind worked very well. Game show from the Eighties. Good job and carry on.
Michael is the guy for the job
You guys are too nice and nostalgic
You put Parmigiani below Gerald Charles even though Voucher makes their movements?
so glad Christian is dating my grandma again.
All these names in english are so difficult to pronounce, they should use French 😏
(Yes French here and awaiting Christian with torch and pitchfork)
Does anyone have a link to the small manual-wind version of the Tiffany East West that Michael was talking about at 12:50? I see men's size 3-hand automatics and women's "mini" 2-hand quartz models.
charcuterie (first)
My wife and I walked into an AD and saw Trilobe there for the first time and I asked the lady at the counter how does that even work? Both our reactions to the watch spinning happened simultaneously... and we were like... "wow!". They are now a grail watch for me.
I have being eyeing a Nomos for a while. Let’s see if 2024 is year when I get it.
Yay theo
Is it me ..or does Michael actually possess some mannerisms of the great Stan Laurel ?? !
!!!THE PERFECT OPENING !!!!
Names in different languages, proceeds to say this is the Maestro eight point O square root, did I get it right?
Where's Sam? Who the heck is this new guy with the big hair?
Still missed H Moser!
Moser doesn’t like bragging
"Love to give that to a girl I'm sleeping with." + 3 minutes - "Love to see my Mom wearing it." Okay Theo, whatever you say....
21:08 It may not be the “same” but there sure as hell aint no 15-20k difference and anybody trying to convince you there is, is just salty you got an insanely beautiful watch for an actually reasonable (within the watch world) price.
Theo’s nose-rubbing is Charlie Sheen level…
You pronounced Une Folle Journée like you said FP Journe, and that’s fine. I’m French, I don’t expect the whole world to be able to pronounce my language perfectly.
Also: The exaggerated laughs and facial expressions are Japanese TV level (I’m joking, I mean no disrespect).
I am French, too. And I find it offensive that they don't even bother to try to pronounce it correctly when this is literally a watch channel dedicated to watches.
Grand Seiko identifying every watch by a model number is more annoying than being in French.
Hell yeah! The real Theo & Harris!
Now this is a great vid! Not that the part 1 was bad (great , of course), but this is far more interesting discussion and even exposed to a couple new brands! I WANT a Tiffany Co East West!
Jesus, guys it's just French. Nuit... Omg. "Un fole jorn". It goes to show why Rolex is successful. It brought luxury to simple folk.
Pretnetious much LMAO
Journe - D done absolutely nothing, whose controversy with the CEO.
Great content. Love the one-liners.
In 2024 what else does CW need to do to hit “S” given their P4P quality/value and Glashütte Original to be “A” given their diverse range (senator, Sea Q, Panomatic Lunar & Inverse, 70s chrono, 60s etc)? In contrast, is Nomos, innovative and great value as they are, a one trick pony (albeit a multi coloured /sized one)?
Brellum where?
Hamilton, Marathon, Ball...
Why are these so addicting. Even non watch people could watch these videos for hours. Im about to join the patreon. I cant stop "watching"
Not a fan of your Gerald Charles watch!
31:58
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The problem with Grand Seiko is with their logo. The "GS" and "Grand Seiko" fonts are different and clash. Either use the "GS" logo or use the "Grand Seiko" text on the dial but not both. Furthermore, use the same font! Ugh, it's so tacky.
Blankpain has placed themselves at a disadvantage priced at twice the buying market.
Had a terrible experience buying from CW, just saying. The watches are nice but the QC and CS are lacking.
27:03 why is it that we're excited/impressed with titanium in 2024? Citizen and Seiko have literally been cranking out watches made of Ti for some 30 years now. It's weird.
lol loved that cold open
I think Grand Seiko had a dud of a few years, but came out swinging at the end with finally some new good looking hands.
The Kodo constant force tourbillon not to your taste?
@@Horizontalvertigo It is not. I wouldn't say no to a SBGZ009 though.
@@TheRacerRich it isn't really to mine either, but I still think it was a pretty solid accomplishment to shove that mechanism into an actually wearable case. But yeah, give me basically anything else in the catalogue first
Dude are you getting paid by Sinn or are you lacking knowledge. How can you say lamania based Speedmaster Professional is same as Sinn. Do you know lamania movement also used by Patek, Vacheron, Roger Dubuis... Best brands, get informed!
Why is the lamania movement so special?
@JasonFerguson17t Patek uses it, Vacheron..., Roger Dubui among other top brands use same Lamania some decorated all over hence price.
Breguet type XX is incredible. Eff the swatch group
So the community really bullied you guys to remake the list 😂😭I was totally fine with the other one but hey a new video is perfectly fine for me
For me Omega is sliding down the ranks every year 😢
Christian where do you buy your crewnecks man
UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY UNIMATIC OVER SEIKO AINTNOWAY
I hope Czapek makes the list
this ranking is simply absurd. i do not understand it frankly anyway no big deal . God bless for 2024
Do a third one please
Still in the intro portion, I better see Sinn in S tier
Still no Moser & Cie!
N O M O S properly ranked. Thank you, Theo…..or umm….Harris?🤔
This chanel loses swag and credibility for not putting Omega up there, and when I say up there i mean at the top
Missing Habring :(
King Charles owns a PF
I don't think there was enough Sam in this video. There, I said it.
Okay, I want "shhhockingly" canonized the way you jokingly recall "sheer blackkkness", pronto.
FORTIS for the next Round
b. great watches, orig design, good history, overpriced as all get out nowadays