As a Lexus Service Technician, I do agree on the new GX being poorly made and cut a lot of corners. I already seen a few common defects on these. Toyota/Lexus quality is just not there anymore sadly.
Interior is very fague, dash and door panel material is cheap. Many customers complain about squeak around the dash around due to plastic and dash material overlapping and rubber against each other. You can literally move the whole dash around.. All these new models look exactly the same interior wise
@Ghxst_Tx762 Thank you for your honest perspective as a Lexus Tech. That's means alot to the people on this channel. As a Tech, I'm sure you see 470s, 460s, 550s and many other legacy Lexus products daily... I'm sure you can clearly see the interior quality differences across the generations. I was and still am a proponent of Toyota/Lexus products... but the lack GX550 interior quality is simply objective unfortunately. As someone said, Lexus might be aiming for the "It's new and looks kewl!" market... will it work? Time will tell. But the 550 does not feel like a Lexus inside... the LX600 does...
Lexus isn’t stupid. A very tiny percentage of those who buy these new could care less what the approach angle is. They want it to look good, have good tech, handle inclement weather, and be reliable. It’s a specific group of people who buy them 10 years old for half or less of MSRP that care about that stuff.
I think the GX550 is one of the best looking vehicles produced in a long time. It has that going for it. But like you said, anyone who has never owned a Lexus will love the GX550. That applies to me.
I bought my 2023 GX460 in December of 2023, picking it up literally 2 days before Christmas. I got a massive discount on it (about $15k off MSRP), and Factory 2.49% financing, which was about 5 point below prime rate, IIRC. I don't always get my timing right, but on THIS one, I nailed it.
@@EchoTangoSuitcase I was on waitlist for the GX550. Don’t know why I did since I’m smarter than to buy first runs lol. I think I was just excited because I just sold my 4Runner. But when I finally got to see and test one out I loved the look but getting inside and driving it left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Just wasn’t impressed, then they told me about the mark up prices. I had doubts and didn’t purchase and as weeks went by more and more reviews came out and they were pretty much the same thoughts I had. Then the Tundra engine issue exploded and that affected the 550 sales and marketing a bit, atleast to those who do their homework. With all the hype on the 550 I started looking at the 460 in May and found one barely used for a month or so with only 2200 miles and saved $10k. I after first impressions on the 550 and getting in the 460, the 460 was a dramatic improvement inside and truly felt luxury while the 550 to me felt like a slightly nicer and newer version of my 4Runner.
Congrats! That interest rate is impressive to get. I also owned a 2023 GX 460 Luxury with Sport Package. It came with second row captain chairs and factory installed tow hitch. I got a great deal - $10k off MSRP. I got it for over a year now and had little over 7k miles. I didn’t wait that long because your choice and option will be limited to what the dealer has in stock. The lower trim like premium seems to be in higher stock than the Luxury trim.
Your analogies are always so fitting and hilarious 🤣 I think you're fortunate to have one of the last of the great 4x4 suv's. I bet you'll be able to enjoy that thing for decades to come.
I test drove a GX550 and it was pretty baller. The next day I took home a 23 GX460 😂 The spiritual successor in the US market at least to me jumping from the GX460 is the LX700H Overtrail. What won’t make me buy one are the following: 1. Forced Overtrail interior trim that is not as luxurious as the other interior choices on the other trim. 2. Forced Hybrid model to access Overtrail specific trim. 3. High price to segment the vehicle above a failed US “250” launch in the LC250 and GX550. Yes the LX700H barely eclipses pricing over a new LC200 of yesteryear, but customers will still lose out on specific off road/on road advantages such as omitting KDSS. Aside from the disadvantages and price gouging for a lackluster modern off road offering, I am a fan of the increased articulation on the new models. The added electronic KDSS and technology inside is attractive. I think where Toyota messed up was being lazy and using every SUV on the same platform. But I digress, get your 460s before it’s too late. It’s priced right and has just enough to keep you going for the next two decades. If the world market can somehow avoid the EV revolution and Toyota is forced to make the next generation land cruisers more akin to the 150, then us enthusiasts will have some hope for the future
I was pretty set on the GX550 when it was first announced, as I was in the market to replace a vehicle. After the details unfolded and learning what you get for the price of admission … I ended up buying a super mint 2007 LX470 and loving every minute of it 🤣
We drove a 2005 470 for eleven years. Let it go last year and bought a new RX350. Wife wanted something smaller. The RX is nice, but I miss the smooth engine of the GX. I also wonder how long the RX will last with all the tech it’s filled with.
Last August, I went in to pick up a 23 GX with 16k miles. There was a 550 on the lot, so I decided to test drive it, and oh man, I fell in love. The pull was a night and day difference. I just loved the quickness. I ended up buying an Overtrail+ in incognito. To be honest, luxury wise, it was the same, especially with the massage seats. They used darker wood trim, so it blends in more than a lighter wood. I love the look. These new ones are very capable just look up Dissent offroad and see what they did with this frame
Great. I haven't seen one on the dealer lots here in CA. Just tried Las Vegas dealership and nope nothing to see and touch. Not sure why Lexus dealers don't have the top model in stock.
@bobby350z when i purchased my GX, they had two OT+ models , atomic silver and incognito, which i purchased. They also had a Luxury+ in atomic silver. I just checked the dealers website, and you are correct they have nothing on the lot
Really enjoyed hearing your perspective and everything you said rings true. That said, I'm planning to grab a 2025 GX 550 OT when they hit dealers. The approach and departure angles do bum me out a bit. The extra inch of ground clearance and the factory installed air compressor are what have me waiting for the 25. I'm one of the guys that isn't prepared to stretch to pay $100k or $120k for a 300 GR Sport. $80-85K is pushing my comfort zone, so Overtrail is it for me. I've owned Wranglers, Defender 90s, Broncos and drove a 4Runner for 7 years. To me the Lexus will be a big upgrade in the comfort department and I could not care less about wood trim in the interior. I'm driving a new Bronco now, ha! I loved my 4Runner and to me the GX 550 OT is what the new 4Runner should have been plus plus. I'd say also the 550 looks a lot better than the 460, but that's me. I wish there was a front locker, but EKDSS has me excited and the 6 cyl engine felt real good when I went for a test drive. I'll be happy if Toyota gives you something to be more excited about and I'll have fun watching your future video.
Thank you for making the statement about the Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform…people have been arguing on forums for months that this “same platform” makes all these SUVs the same. All the same “Baskin Robbin’s” ice cream but “31” different flavors.
to be fair everyone was fooled by Toyota because the _implication_ of TNGAF is same platform = same frame... as thing get rolling it's now evident that the LC250/GX550/Tacoma/25 4runner have compromises vs. LC300/LX600/Sequoia/LX700... different bumpstops (or missing).. different control arms... lighter frame materials... and what else is left to be discovered... it's fair to say Toyota isn't going out of their way to be forthright about TNGAF frame differences...
I always was super excited every time I saw a Land Cruiser 200 in the nearby dealerships show rooms while waiting for my Toyotas to be serviced. I always said - nothing can beat this thing, that's so classic and with new features at the same time. Until last times when I saw it in 2022. And price was very good starting 82,000 and ending in 90 something thousands for top trims, almost like an LX570. People didn't know what BS is coming with new generations. Or every time when I saw it on the highway always said - this person knows very well what he/she bought. Personally I ended up with buying a last year 2024 4Runner TRD Pro. At least to get one of the last good things from Toyota.
*also the LX700H "Ultra Luxury" trim is kinda silly since there's no "VIP culture" (get driven around in the back of your car) in the USA unlike in Asia... Also the LX700H gets a 17 gallon gas tank vs the 21 gallon tank on the LX600*
My first car was a 40, then a couple 60’s.. years later, I’m daily’ing a locked 80. We also have a 23’ 460 and couldn’t be happier. All of these knuckleheads who say that people are just bitching about Toyota because it’s a new product are wrong. These new products do not define the quality of a true “Land Cruiser” no matter what Toyota says. I believe that the 460 will be on the roads long after the 550’s have come and gone. Great video.
It wasn’t what he said in the video, but what wasn’t said. Plenty. The engine is garbage. There’s no real leather. It’s noisy and flimsy. Plastic fantastic. KDSS on wrong model. Style is great. The rest is a joke.
200 was never a real Land Crusier if the new 250 isn’t one. The 80 series was the last real Land Cruiser according to most LC enthusiasts. The irony? The 250 did better off-road than a lifted 80 series on all terrains when TFL pitted them against each other. The 250 was the 1958 base model on street tires too. But according to the the people bitching about it, it’s not a real Land Cruiser 🤦
@@c1aytonbigsbyfunny…have you not seen the Toyota Evolution Map…80,100,200. Might want to do your research before you make silly comments about the 200 Series.
There is always some UA-cam edgelord saying this about the new generation of literally any car whenever it comes out, it's the most predictable cycle ever. Toyota comes out with the 5th gen 4Runner, "It's not a real 4Runner anymore because it doesn't have a V8 in it". Then the 6th gen comes out and then it's "LOL RIP, the last gen was the last real 4Runner because it had a NA V6 and now they're putting a 4 banger in it". Cars get better and more efficient every year. The engine issues on the GX notwithstanding (don't buy the first gen of any car if you don't want to deal with potential recalls/wait for Toyota to iron out the kinks, and so far its been attributed to machining debris anyway, not a fault of the capabilities of the engine), it's a V6 that makes maximum torque at under 2k RPM and outperforms the outgoing engine in every way. The vast minority of people buying a GX care about literally anything other than "Does it fit in the Starbucks drive thru", In the same way that nobody, and I truly mean nobody, buying the new GX is going to be able to quote the breakover angle much less actually put it to use. Even 90% of the people who kit it out with rotopax, maxtrax and a widdle wadder aren't gonna do anything other than drive to and from the mall and occasionally on a paved campsite access road while they go "overlanding". A Land Cruiser is whatever Toyota says it is. Just like the people screaming that a mid-engined Corvette "Isn't a real corvette anymore", or the new WRX isn't a WRX because they hate the styling. Progress marches ever onward and people who hate change stick their heads in the sand and insist that the model they bought is the last one that was ever worth anything. Lmao.
@@danielrogers4072the LC became IFS from the 100 series on. Thats why people say the 80’s series is the last real Land Cruiser. I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying it’s hypocritical that the 200 series is considered the last real LC when the Prado has the same qualities as a 200 series. It’s not as beefy as a 200 but neither is a 4Runner and how many of those have you seen have issues?
The honest truth is that less than 5-10% of brand new owners care about approach angles. Almost all new owners level of off roading will be a few times a year ripping thru a mean 4-6” of snow to go thru the Starbucks drive thru. When it’s on the second or third owner it will be modded into an off road monster.
Will the LX700h have a battery pack in the cargo area like the LC250? If so, I would not want it because that configuration loses 10 cu. Feet of cargo space.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD when I test drove the Land Cruiser 250 it was a dog on the freeway and acceleration 50 to 70 was Lame Will the LX get a more powerful hybrid?
Your honest opinion is great on so many aspects. We are keeping the GX460 for the foreseeable future unless Toyota/Lexus reprioritizes. Also recently went through similar observation with 4Runner. The 2025 looks like cheap plastic inside on the videos and the doors look like tinfoil like the latest so-called Land Cruiser. Went to close the door at the showroom latest Land Cruiser and thought it was a Corolla. Departed the dealership with a low miles 2021 Limited 4Runner. Would have much preferred to have purchased a new 2025 4Runner but the early videos look very underwhelming - just no one is calling it out yet. Perhaps need for you to test one and let us know the real story, lol. Keep up the great observations and honesty.
on our first GX550 trip to the dealer we took our '22 Sienna... the door-close sound was IDENTICAL from GX550 to Sienna. .. however the LX600 door-close sound was identical to the GX460... games are being played...
Here in Belize we get the 2.8L 4 cylinder turbo diesel Land Cruiser 250 (Prado). I want the GX so bad but I mostly do city driving and that will eat up fuel so bad. The Prado will get up to 25 mpg. My dealer’s brochure says it has KDSS on our luxury trim. Idk if you can take a look for me to make sure I’m not tripping. Because why would Toyota give our tiny little country KDSS and not have it on the US versions and Australian versions. My only guess is because Lexus is not officially sold here and we don’t get the GX. Hence we get the luxury Prado with the old school grille. Some markets also have rear seat entertainment in the roof in the back. Decisions decisions. Also none of our prado’s have a rear locker. Not base and not luxury grade. Simply just a center locker. Guessing Toyota sees that A-Trac embedded in MTS and Crawl is superior. Lol
The only mistake I made couple years back when I bought my two GX 460s, was one of them should have been an LX570! All the crap they are giving us now here in the states I won’t even entertain the thought of even looking at one
From the very beginning Lexus/Toyota made a huge mistake introducing the 460 as a luxury vehicle,which it most definitely is not! They compromised on the styling so much they almost ruined one of the best off-road vehicles of all time. Fast forward to the 550,which is such a huge cost cutting let down it's almost insulting,to those who know. The younger generation will love the 550,those who know the 460 & know what real quality is, will be so angry , saddened & insulted by the new 550.
Do you really need KDSS when LX has AHC? I don't think so. I don't think a vehicle was ever produced with both systems present (feel free to correct me if that's not true). And yes, I know these are two very different systems, but I think they overlap in regards to anti-roll bar adjustability. Specifically I'm talking about the ability of AHC equipped trucks to adjust the damping force (both manually with a switch and actively through different sensors inputs) and the fact that left and right "shocks" are hydraulically connected. So there definitely is an effect overlapping KDSS to some extent with the bonus of height adjusment.
@aleksyanev ACH is "spring height adjustment" via airbags or hydraulic extension on the spring or rod extension via thr shocks AVS is shock absorber oil flow adjustment E-KDSS is a hydraulic swaybar disconnect via collapsing a hydraulic end link Only e-kdss will disconnect the sway bar.. changing the ride height will never disconnect the sway bar and increase articulation... which is why the flagship LC300 GRS was engineered proudly with E-kdss... when Lexus go it they basically said "nobody will take the LX offroad so give it AHC instead"
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Correct, I should've used AVS, but instead I used "AHC" as an umbrella term for AHC & AVS. Left and right with AHC/AVS are hydraulically connected. Oil flow adjustment affects body roll, which is somewhat similar effect to stiffening/softening the swaybar. Total articulation between KDSS and AHC/AVS equpped trucks seems to be almost the same. Not making that up, I promise :) Lookup "Wheel Articulation with AHC vs. KDSS" on mud. A slight egde for KDSS.
From everything I’ve seen Toyota is cutting corners everywhere it can. There’s no guarantee that the LX700 won’t be a disappointment because of the bean counters.
awesome video! we purchased the 2024 4Runner TRD pro because even the 2025 4Runner is using cheaper components and materials to include the power train and asking more cash for them, Sad.
The dress up of the lexus is why I went with a 4runner. Comes out of the box as a better all terrain vehicle. IMO 4runner (Gen 5) > 460 > 550. However, the 460 is a lot closer to the gen 5 4runner than the 550.
Until demand and quality falls to a painful level, which it may, given current inflation, subpar quality (ie., engine failures, cheaper interior materials), greedy US market markups...Toyota/Lexus may not a course correction. Nissan/Infiniti was forced to make this correction - perhaps too late, absent Honda's support - but they have produced some promising new competition in the QX80, and especially the Armada Pro4x. Nissan obviously got the "memo" and have brought a true Patrol (with optional lockers) to the US. Maybe this will be enough to entice Toyota to bring the LC 300 (GR) to the USA. One can only hope...
@@drewk8601 ya took a hot minute for Nissan to learn that cramming Jatco CVTs in 95% of their cars would lead to them becoming Honda's side-chick eventually 😆
Sat in a GX 550. I've owned a new 1994 SC400 as well as a new 1999 RX300. the GX550 interior was a major letdown in comparison. my current vehicle is a 2015 4runner LTD approaching 225k miles. If it does come time to replace it, I may search for a lightly used GX460.
People always seek what they don’t have. In our country people also got mad that they don’t get hybrid version of LC250. But we have LC300 GR sport. At the end of the day, it’s just car that transports you certain destinations. Also another funny fact is GX 550 overtrail more expensive than 300 GR sport in here. At some point you can get brand new GR sport here for 85,000USD when yen was cheaper
I think the only thing that could make me move away from me 2022 GX 460 would be the LX 600 WITH a V8 engine. I'm pretty certain they will never go back. I agree with you on all points of the GX 550. I don't find it Lexus like at all. I picked on that the moment I saw it at the Washington Auto Show. It lacks refinement everywhere. I also find that the fact that the seats don't fold flat and even is terrible. It's like an 8 to 10 inch drop behind the second row seat when it's down. Plus the third row is as worthless as in all GX vehicles. I keep mine in the down position so it might as well not exist. They all have no KDSS except for the Overtrail trim and I think they dropped the ball on that.
@@Cocora22 your GX 460 is nice inside, but drive very stiff on gravel and dirt road. KDSS works great on LC200 series but not on the GX and Prado 150. That’s the design flaw of Toyota.
I don't understand why Lexus believes people would avoid buying the GX550 or LX700h if it had a good approach angle. Lexus could still retain that giant trapezoid grille even with a higher and more slanted bumper, but noooooo, the Lexus designers have Freudian complexes and said the trapezoid must be GIGANTIC and have 7 long, girthy horizontal bars instead of 5 because otherwise customers would flock to Land Rover in droves. 🙄
The 'new' US-market 'Land Cruiser' and Lexus GX are just the "light-duty" Land Cruiser Prado cheaped out for us. They are both mid-size SUVs, unlike the large-size regular Land Cruiser. The US-market Toyota-badged Prado has the 4-banger turbo hybrid, while the Lexus-badged GX has the 6-cylinder turbo hybrid. The full-size "comfort" Land Cruiser is the Lexus LX we will be getting. As you mentioned, Toyota refuses to do their work and sell us the full-size Toyota-badged Land Cruiser likely out of laziness (as EVERYONE wants a Toyota truck).
LC 200 Toyota only sold the top, top ,luxury trim ,as other world markets had a basic ,base model LC 200 cloth seats , steel rims a utilitarian model, if the LC 200 had been more utility ...than a 3row luxury Family school bus and in the $65-$70k ? range we would have bought more ,they where over priced and over wt , as for the new LC 300 trim some of the LX600/LX700h models do we need 7 models? I think Toyota does not want to cut into sequoia sales?
If the lx700 had a big tank maybe 28 gallons, come with 35”tires, and not the soccer mom look, I’d prob pay whatever they wanted, I just can’t do it, or maybe the look of the lc 250 with those other things I could prob do it, the 200 well built, but would never buy that one either, can’t get over the soccer mom look, I appreciate your videos and info
Im not interested in either. That ticking time bomb under the hood of Both the GX and LX is more than enough for me to just collect old trucks instead. That new V6 has made the old 7M and 3VZ Toyota engines seem infinitely more reliable. At least youll make it past 100,000 miles and over a decade without spinning a bearing in a 7M. At least with the GX460, you can buy a complete Prado front clip to replace the giant predetor face.
The new LX 700 over trail is having engine issues and has the ugliest Center stack and navigation system I've ever seen compared to the 2021 LX 570. It looks like a damn afterthought!
Well, said well said my friend! I was blown away and flabbergasted when Toyota did away with the land cruiser in the American market in 20 or 21, I can’t remember the year, I feel the Toyota truly thinks, the consumer stupid! PS I’m digging the robe and the jammy pants!!😂
Let Lexus find out the hard way that the people that are going to be buying these gx550's are not going to be previous Lexus customers.. people are also going to find out what a dumbass design it was for the back bumper trailer hitch when it gets rear-ended bending the frame!
Gx 550 or Land Cruiser Gr let’s say its same price anyone would go for overtrail Gx with double glass and Lexus badge in the Middle East market if u go to lx u will think about looks comparing to Gx looks more exciting in my opinion
The Rav was still a disappointment due to its front wheel drive until 4 wheel was activated. Approach angle was spectacular but engine design not so much. Toyota’s and (new) Bronco’s will never be that successful climbing all over Moab. Mind you I’d like a Landcrusier but the cost over function still doesn’t outweigh its benefits. I’ll stick to 2016 Jeep JKRU Hardrock. It may not be as comfortable but this thing will always climb along with mountain goats.
There's lots of overlander.airdown You Tubers out there that have a ton of nothing to say, and you just provided... hands down... the best information of any as I consider the next purchase. I have a '22 4Runner but at 5,000 lbs towing capacity it struggles pulling my trailer, so I have been looking to bump up my towing capacity with the Land Cruiser or GX550. Now I am looking at low mile 460 and 470 if I can spot them. My only concern is I will spend as much upgrading them as I would if I buy new off the lot. Your points on approach angles are important as even though I am not a major off-roader, I do get to trails out by you that can push the approach angle limits. Lots to ponder, but glad I found your channel.... hmm wonder if i can import a 300... Keep dong what you are doing. Don't sell out so you can be invited to a trail-orgy with the manufacturer reps and other influencersI Thx
Your second GX460 video 3 years ago addressed the very same insufficient approach angle as on the GX460 when you 🌮 it, so I have to say nothing new here and if anything lets call that point a draw with the new GX. With regards to interior luxury I think we all have to agree that the GX 460 takes the point there vs the OT, but in all honesty I think you have stated that you have never even washed the interior of your GX so is that really even a valid issue? GX broke out the Luxury trim level and made the OT somewhat more purpose built while still upscale. I thinks that the OT and OT+ is fine... clearly more luxurious than the McLand Cruiser and the 4Walker. Price... well it's priced to perfection it's true that it's fair game to be selective and critical for this kind of money. The LC is definitely 10-15k overpriced and a better comp isn't the previous LC300, but the FJ Cruiser. Toyota should at least give the base model the off-road drivetrain options and trail cameras. The LX 600h OT is missing KDSS otherwise that would be the ichiban model at almost $120k. Keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to buying a GX550 OT for my dirt roads and steep driveway on the AZ side of the Mohave desert...just not looking forward to that price. I'm really appreciating your content!. Happy New Year!
Absolutely and it just shows how dumb the public actually is because they don’t understand what a platform is. We have a 2022 Infiniti QX 60 and someone told me nice pathfinder. I said OK? Do you have a Highlander nice Prius. They looked at me totally confused and I stated well it’s on the same platform isn’t it? And of course they said oh yeah it is I guess. Obviously I was just proving satire at the moment, but it shows that just because a company says it’s on the same platform doesn’t really mean anything. The QX 60 is a unit body when they say platform they basically mean the struts and suspension components and that’s really it. Everything else will be different or can be different the amount of ignorance that is out in the car world from bespoke car people is insanity and the car companies know this and they play off of it.
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yes I do, absolutely. The next generation Toyota and Lexus we looked at and compared it to Infiniti, and there was no mistake. Infinity has become superior to Lexus, which I never thought would happen.
There is not a big enough market in America for $120,000 specialty off-road vehicle that looks like another soccer mom car in line at the school dropoff. That's novelty/ halo vehicle pricing, up there with vehicles such as the TRX and the Raptor R, except those vehicles actually promote excitement unlike Toyota/ Lexus bloated yuppy wagon.
This exactly, I can drive most anything and I’d never buy the soccer mom style lx 600-700, I have a TRX and a LC 250 and a few other vehicles, but the 300 series just looks like your going to the mall, I know they are better built but they don’t have the look, my opinion
Brought a 23 GX460. Could not pull the trigger on a 550 that increased in price and failed to have the standard luxury of previous GX models. Moreover in the new GX550 line from base to Luxury to + they lacked what I thought should have been standard features across the whole line. Stop playing games Lexus!
@@PastorDavidFranklin inorite... park your 460 next to a LX600 and open it up and magically thay 460 quality is right there in the 600... sneaky lexus... sneaky
The GX550 is better in every way on the outside and the underneath than the GX460. On the inside it isn’t even close. The GX460 interior is what I would expect. The GX550 is a good upgrade from my 4Runner but it doesn’t say Lexus in the inside. I sat in a LX600 per you recommendation and I figured that out real quick. The LX700 still has the giant snout and no approach angles. Who are they trying to fool? I hate the front end on the LX600 plus no EKDSS? No thank you. The real Land Crusier would end the LX600/700 in my opinion. Toyota has put themselves in a bad box now.
@ I agree. I’m not one of those that could easily spend $40k more because I have been saving for a new SUV for 10 years now, but you show me the LC300 and I think I could make that happen!
The GX550 sucks as a Lexus! If it was a Toyota…and it should have been the new 4Runner it may have been ok but as a Lexus and its price point, it cannot compare to the GX460. Like you said, those who’s owned a Lexus will know the difference and should be smart and informed enough to stay away and not fall for it and those who’s never owned a Lexus might be “wow’d” and like it purely based on its exterior looks. Regardless of approach angle or whether you off road or not, the GX550 is such a “cut cost” rip off vehicle for consumers. So many quality issues and very questionable engine reliability that will surely arise in the future. I don’t expect this vehicle along with many new Toyota trucks and SUV’s to last like the older generations. Unless you lease it stay away!
Sat in one… wasn’t that amazing & felt small inside TBH isn’t the new LX frame the same as Sequoia now? every time I hear “build” & “rig” I want to 🤮 Thanks 🤣
The newer model uou mention will come vloser to $100k. Then all people will complain about the price. Personally I like gx550 and wished it was $10k cheaper but most cars now a days are $50k out the door. I have put my deposit for scout traveller. Toyota is too slow with the EV game. I know a lot of folks dont like EVs but most probably they never driven one.
As a Lexus Service Technician, I do agree on the new GX being poorly made and cut a lot of corners. I already seen a few common defects on these. Toyota/Lexus quality is just not there anymore sadly.
Interior is very fague, dash and door panel material is cheap. Many customers complain about squeak around the dash around due to plastic and dash material overlapping and rubber against each other. You can literally move the whole dash around.. All these new models look exactly the same interior wise
@Ghxst_Tx762 Thank you for your honest perspective as a Lexus Tech. That's means alot to the people on this channel. As a Tech, I'm sure you see 470s, 460s, 550s and many other legacy Lexus products daily... I'm sure you can clearly see the interior quality differences across the generations. I was and still am a proponent of Toyota/Lexus products... but the lack GX550 interior quality is simply objective unfortunately. As someone said, Lexus might be aiming for the "It's new and looks kewl!" market... will it work? Time will tell. But the 550 does not feel like a Lexus inside... the LX600 does...
Lexus isn’t stupid. A very tiny percentage of those who buy these new could care less what the approach angle is. They want it to look good, have good tech, handle inclement weather, and be reliable. It’s a specific group of people who buy them 10 years old for half or less of MSRP that care about that stuff.
@@SH57578 your absolute right about that
I think the GX550 is one of the best looking vehicles produced in a long time. It has that going for it. But like you said, anyone who has never owned a Lexus will love the GX550. That applies to me.
I bought my 2023 GX460 in December of 2023, picking it up literally 2 days before Christmas.
I got a massive discount on it (about $15k off MSRP), and Factory 2.49% financing, which was about 5 point below prime rate, IIRC.
I don't always get my timing right, but on THIS one, I nailed it.
Same. Picked my 23 up a couple days after Christmas December 2023 as well. Got imo a good deal too.
what did you pay? thanks
@@shaneeka4 what did you pay? thanks
@@EchoTangoSuitcase I was on waitlist for the GX550. Don’t know why I did since I’m smarter than to buy first runs lol. I think I was just excited because I just sold my 4Runner. But when I finally got to see and test one out I loved the look but getting inside and driving it left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Just wasn’t impressed, then they told me about the mark up prices. I had doubts and didn’t purchase and as weeks went by more and more reviews came out and they were pretty much the same thoughts I had. Then the Tundra engine issue exploded and that affected the 550 sales and marketing a bit, atleast to those who do their homework. With all the hype on the 550 I started looking at the 460 in May and found one barely used for a month or so with only 2200 miles and saved $10k. I after first impressions on the 550 and getting in the 460, the 460 was a dramatic improvement inside and truly felt luxury while the 550 to me felt like a slightly nicer and newer version of my 4Runner.
Congrats! That interest rate is impressive to get. I also owned a 2023 GX 460 Luxury with Sport Package. It came with second row captain chairs and factory installed tow hitch. I got a great deal - $10k off MSRP. I got it for over a year now and had little over 7k miles. I didn’t wait that long because your choice and option will be limited to what the dealer has in stock. The lower trim like premium seems to be in higher stock than the Luxury trim.
The GX550 isn’t bad, but for the price it’s just not worth it. I will stick with the old 460.
The first three generations of RAV4 were so awesome. I especially liked the v6 2007-ish "sport" model. That sucker was fast.
As a Toyota/Lexus fanboy, I can't disagree on a single word you said. Very good review!
Your analogies are always so fitting and hilarious 🤣 I think you're fortunate to have one of the last of the great 4x4 suv's. I bet you'll be able to enjoy that thing for decades to come.
Yes ,lol. The last 4x4 before we're all driving Tesla trucks
@@D.Dragoon If they are giving them out for free I would take one and keep the GX460 just in case I need something for worlds end.
I love this guys dialogue and voice cadence. Very well spoken individual!
I test drove a GX550 and it was pretty baller. The next day I took home a 23 GX460 😂
The spiritual successor in the US market at least to me jumping from the GX460 is the LX700H Overtrail.
What won’t make me buy one are the following:
1. Forced Overtrail interior trim that is not as luxurious as the other interior choices on the other trim.
2. Forced Hybrid model to access Overtrail specific trim.
3. High price to segment the vehicle above a failed US “250” launch in the LC250 and GX550. Yes the LX700H barely eclipses pricing over a new LC200 of yesteryear, but customers will still lose out on specific off road/on road advantages such as omitting KDSS.
Aside from the disadvantages and price gouging for a lackluster modern off road offering, I am a fan of the increased articulation on the new models. The added electronic KDSS and technology inside is attractive.
I think where Toyota messed up was being lazy and using every SUV on the same platform. But I digress, get your 460s before it’s too late. It’s priced right and has just enough to keep you going for the next two decades. If the world market can somehow avoid the EV revolution and Toyota is forced to make the next generation land cruisers more akin to the 150, then us enthusiasts will have some hope for the future
we could have a LC 300 instead of 7 LX models
I was pretty set on the GX550 when it was first announced, as I was in the market to replace a vehicle. After the details unfolded and learning what you get for the price of admission … I ended up buying a super mint 2007 LX470 and loving every minute of it 🤣
excellent decision 🙇♂️ ❤️
We drove a 2005 470 for eleven years. Let it go last year and bought a new RX350. Wife wanted something smaller. The RX is nice, but I miss the smooth engine of the GX. I also wonder how long the RX will last with all the tech it’s filled with.
@@overbuiltlimited My LX470 is definitely the smoothest and most quiet drivetrain I’ve ever driven. 100%
Last August, I went in to pick up a 23 GX with 16k miles. There was a 550 on the lot, so I decided to test drive it, and oh man, I fell in love. The pull was a night and day difference. I just loved the quickness. I ended up buying an Overtrail+ in incognito. To be honest, luxury wise, it was the same, especially with the massage seats. They used darker wood trim, so it blends in more than a lighter wood. I love the look. These new ones are very capable just look up Dissent offroad and see what they did with this frame
Great. I haven't seen one on the dealer lots here in CA. Just tried Las Vegas dealership and nope nothing to see and touch. Not sure why Lexus dealers don't have the top model in stock.
@bobby350z when i purchased my GX, they had two OT+ models , atomic silver and incognito, which i purchased. They also had a Luxury+ in atomic silver. I just checked the dealers website, and you are correct they have nothing on the lot
Really enjoyed hearing your perspective and everything you said rings true. That said, I'm planning to grab a 2025 GX 550 OT when they hit dealers. The approach and departure angles do bum me out a bit. The extra inch of ground clearance and the factory installed air compressor are what have me waiting for the 25. I'm one of the guys that isn't prepared to stretch to pay $100k or $120k for a 300 GR Sport. $80-85K is pushing my comfort zone, so Overtrail is it for me. I've owned Wranglers, Defender 90s, Broncos and drove a 4Runner for 7 years. To me the Lexus will be a big upgrade in the comfort department and I could not care less about wood trim in the interior. I'm driving a new Bronco now, ha! I loved my 4Runner and to me the GX 550 OT is what the new 4Runner should have been plus plus. I'd say also the 550 looks a lot better than the 460, but that's me. I wish there was a front locker, but EKDSS has me excited and the 6 cyl engine felt real good when I went for a test drive. I'll be happy if Toyota gives you something to be more excited about and I'll have fun watching your future video.
As nearly always - your analysis is spot on!
Thank you for your kind support 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️
He's the professor of off--roading!
Thank you for making the statement about the Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform…people have been arguing on forums for months that this “same platform” makes all these SUVs the same. All the same “Baskin Robbin’s” ice cream but “31” different flavors.
to be fair everyone was fooled by Toyota because the _implication_ of TNGAF is same platform = same frame... as thing get rolling it's now evident that the LC250/GX550/Tacoma/25 4runner have compromises vs. LC300/LX600/Sequoia/LX700... different bumpstops (or missing).. different control arms... lighter frame materials... and what else is left to be discovered... it's fair to say Toyota isn't going out of their way to be forthright about TNGAF frame differences...
I always was super excited every time I saw a Land Cruiser 200 in the nearby dealerships show rooms while waiting for my Toyotas to be serviced. I always said - nothing can beat this thing, that's so classic and with new features at the same time. Until last times when I saw it in 2022. And price was very good starting 82,000 and ending in 90 something thousands for top trims, almost like an LX570. People didn't know what BS is coming with new generations. Or every time when I saw it on the highway always said - this person knows very well what he/she bought.
Personally I ended up with buying a last year 2024 4Runner TRD Pro. At least to get one of the last good things from Toyota.
As usual...........you nailed it. Thanks
🙌 🙇♂️
I’m glad I bought my 2023 Lexus GX460 on time and I love it it’s very comfortable and luxurious vs 4Runner that I used to have thanks for your videos
@@GuillermoGonzalez-zelglez 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️ ✌️
*also the LX700H "Ultra Luxury" trim is kinda silly since there's no "VIP culture" (get driven around in the back of your car) in the USA unlike in Asia... Also the LX700H gets a 17 gallon gas tank vs the 21 gallon tank on the LX600*
As of now, I’ll keep my GX 470. 2UZ-FE is a tank. 221k on it. Runs very strong.
@@maddog8148 221k is just a baby.. there is a local 470 round here with like 540k on it 😆
@ WoW that’s really great news! Happy New Year Brother!! 👍🏼🙌🏼🇺🇸
My first car was a 40, then a couple 60’s.. years later, I’m daily’ing a locked 80. We also have a 23’ 460 and couldn’t be happier. All of these knuckleheads who say that people are just bitching about Toyota because it’s a new product are wrong. These new products do not define the quality of a true “Land Cruiser” no matter what Toyota says.
I believe that the 460 will be on the roads long after the 550’s have come and gone.
Great video.
It's iconic it'll the first SUV in car shows decades from now!
GX 550 is over priced for what it is, it should be $20K less.
I'm not familiar with the 460's.... but I think the interiors in 470s look WAY nicer than the GX550s. It's not even comparable
Sometimes the interior is the only thing that matters!
Funny enough that Hagerty land cruiser documentary said the GX550 is the one to get if you're wanting a land cruiser in the states lol
I think the Land Cruiser is the one to get if you want a Land Cruiser in the states 😂
@@BullseyeHTXor the LX
It wasn’t what he said in the video, but what wasn’t said. Plenty. The engine is garbage. There’s no real leather. It’s noisy and flimsy. Plastic fantastic. KDSS on wrong model. Style is great. The rest is a joke.
Yes he did say that but Hagerty’s point is valid, that the GX is a superior “Land Cruiser” prado to the Toyota model, for about the same price.
@@tac4bravoagreed. The OP video is spot on though. The 550 is a downgrade coming from a 460. I’m sure it’s a great upgrade coming from a 4Runner
Rip Landcruiser. The 200 is the last one. Never getting rid of my 460 either.
200 was never a real Land Crusier if the new 250 isn’t one. The 80 series was the last real Land Cruiser according to most LC enthusiasts. The irony? The 250 did better off-road than a lifted 80 series on all terrains when TFL pitted them against each other. The 250 was the 1958 base model on street tires too. But according to the the people bitching about it, it’s not a real Land Cruiser 🤦
@@c1aytonbigsbyfunny…have you not seen the Toyota Evolution Map…80,100,200. Might want to do your research before you make silly comments about the 200 Series.
There is always some UA-cam edgelord saying this about the new generation of literally any car whenever it comes out, it's the most predictable cycle ever. Toyota comes out with the 5th gen 4Runner, "It's not a real 4Runner anymore because it doesn't have a V8 in it". Then the 6th gen comes out and then it's "LOL RIP, the last gen was the last real 4Runner because it had a NA V6 and now they're putting a 4 banger in it".
Cars get better and more efficient every year. The engine issues on the GX notwithstanding (don't buy the first gen of any car if you don't want to deal with potential recalls/wait for Toyota to iron out the kinks, and so far its been attributed to machining debris anyway, not a fault of the capabilities of the engine), it's a V6 that makes maximum torque at under 2k RPM and outperforms the outgoing engine in every way. The vast minority of people buying a GX care about literally anything other than "Does it fit in the Starbucks drive thru", In the same way that nobody, and I truly mean nobody, buying the new GX is going to be able to quote the breakover angle much less actually put it to use. Even 90% of the people who kit it out with rotopax, maxtrax and a widdle wadder aren't gonna do anything other than drive to and from the mall and occasionally on a paved campsite access road while they go "overlanding".
A Land Cruiser is whatever Toyota says it is. Just like the people screaming that a mid-engined Corvette "Isn't a real corvette anymore", or the new WRX isn't a WRX because they hate the styling. Progress marches ever onward and people who hate change stick their heads in the sand and insist that the model they bought is the last one that was ever worth anything. Lmao.
@@danielrogers4072the LC became IFS from the 100 series on. Thats why people say the 80’s series is the last real Land Cruiser. I’m not saying I agree with them, I’m saying it’s hypocritical that the 200 series is considered the last real LC when the Prado has the same qualities as a 200 series. It’s not as beefy as a 200 but neither is a 4Runner and how many of those have you seen have issues?
The honest truth is that less than 5-10% of brand new owners care about approach angles. Almost all new owners level of off roading will be a few times a year ripping thru a mean 4-6” of snow to go thru the Starbucks drive thru. When it’s on the second or third owner it will be modded into an off road monster.
Good discussion points! Keep Grinding!!!👍🏾✌🏾
Yes, he always puts forth a great debate
That’s funny and I have a Bronco and felt the Lexus GX 550 Overtrail + is too fancy for me.
What tires are you running?
@@MidsummerDaydream hi, stock size BFG KO2s:
ua-cam.com/video/7V8HRKnb2gI/v-deo.html
Spot on! Great video ! Toyota needs to change 💯
I have a gx460 but if I have the money to afford a GX550. I would be so happy.
700h looks exciting. your gx looks awesome. i agree with you. you on point.
Great video, thanks.
Will the LX700h have a battery pack in the cargo area like the LC250? If so, I would not want it because that configuration loses 10 cu. Feet of cargo space.
they shrunk the gas tank by 4 gallons to save space... LX600 = 21 gal tank. LX700h = 17 gallon tank
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD when I test drove the Land Cruiser 250 it was a dog on the freeway and acceleration 50 to 70 was Lame
Will the LX get a more powerful hybrid?
I got a 2024 GX 550 months ago, and it's been great! I've always loved the look of the GX460 i agree that the interior is plain compared to gx 460.
LC 200 and then GX460 were the last best ones with v8
True but the 4.7 2UZ-FE is still the GOAT
Your honest opinion is great on so many aspects. We are keeping the GX460 for the foreseeable future unless Toyota/Lexus reprioritizes.
Also recently went through similar observation with 4Runner. The 2025 looks like cheap plastic inside on the videos and the doors look like tinfoil like the latest so-called Land Cruiser. Went to close the door at the showroom latest Land Cruiser and thought it was a Corolla. Departed the dealership with a low miles 2021 Limited 4Runner.
Would have much preferred to have purchased a new 2025 4Runner but the early videos look very underwhelming - just no one is calling it out yet. Perhaps need for you to test one and let us know the real story, lol.
Keep up the great observations and honesty.
on our first GX550 trip to the dealer we took our '22 Sienna... the door-close sound was IDENTICAL from GX550 to Sienna.
.. however the LX600 door-close sound was identical to the GX460... games are being played...
Disco/LR4 has 37 degrees approach and 30 departure standard.
@@jamesrebbechi5247 yep... no excuse why Lexus/Toyota can't get this right on their _offroad_ vehciles
Just got back from a great adventure in the black hills South Dakota in my 2016 LR4 with HD package. Thing is a tank! But the SCV6 scares me 😂
Here in Belize we get the 2.8L 4 cylinder turbo diesel Land Cruiser 250 (Prado). I want the GX so bad but I mostly do city driving and that will eat up fuel so bad. The Prado will get up to 25 mpg. My dealer’s brochure says it has KDSS on our luxury trim. Idk if you can take a look for me to make sure I’m not tripping. Because why would Toyota give our tiny little country KDSS and not have it on the US versions and Australian versions. My only guess is because Lexus is not officially sold here and we don’t get the GX. Hence we get the luxury Prado with the old school grille. Some markets also have rear seat entertainment in the roof in the back. Decisions decisions. Also none of our prado’s have a rear locker. Not base and not luxury grade. Simply just a center locker. Guessing Toyota sees that A-Trac embedded in MTS and Crawl is superior. Lol
The only mistake I made couple years back when I bought my two GX 460s, was one of them should have been an LX570! All the crap they are giving us now here in the states I won’t even entertain the thought of even looking at one
From the very beginning Lexus/Toyota made a huge mistake introducing the 460 as a luxury vehicle,which it most definitely is not!
They compromised on the styling so much they almost ruined one of the best off-road vehicles of all time.
Fast forward to the 550,which is such a huge cost cutting let down it's almost insulting,to those who know. The younger generation will love the 550,those who know the 460 & know what real quality is, will be so angry , saddened & insulted by the new 550.
Great discussion on marketing, America usually misses out anything that’s introduced to other countries.
Do you really need KDSS when LX has AHC? I don't think so. I don't think a vehicle was ever produced with both systems present (feel free to correct me if that's not true). And yes, I know these are two very different systems, but I think they overlap in regards to anti-roll bar adjustability. Specifically I'm talking about the ability of AHC equipped trucks to adjust the damping force (both manually with a switch and actively through different sensors inputs) and the fact that left and right "shocks" are hydraulically connected. So there definitely is an effect overlapping KDSS to some extent with the bonus of height adjusment.
@aleksyanev ACH is "spring height adjustment" via airbags or hydraulic extension on the spring or rod extension via thr shocks
AVS is shock absorber oil flow adjustment
E-KDSS is a hydraulic swaybar disconnect via collapsing a hydraulic end link
Only e-kdss will disconnect the sway bar.. changing the ride height will never disconnect the sway bar and increase articulation... which is why the flagship LC300 GRS was engineered proudly with E-kdss... when Lexus go it they basically said "nobody will take the LX offroad so give it AHC instead"
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD Correct, I should've used AVS, but instead I used "AHC" as an umbrella term for AHC & AVS. Left and right with AHC/AVS are hydraulically connected. Oil flow adjustment affects body roll, which is somewhat similar effect to stiffening/softening the swaybar. Total articulation between KDSS and AHC/AVS equpped trucks seems to be almost the same. Not making that up, I promise :) Lookup "Wheel Articulation with AHC vs. KDSS" on mud. A slight egde for KDSS.
From everything I’ve seen Toyota is cutting corners everywhere it can. There’s no guarantee that the LX700 won’t be a disappointment because of the bean counters.
awesome video! we purchased the 2024 4Runner TRD pro because even the 2025 4Runner is using cheaper components and materials to include the power train and asking more cash for them, Sad.
Great video❤ Question does the GX come with the air suspension only on the Luxury trim and not the Premium trim? 🙏
I can't wait to get the GX550 go to Mall record my adventure and then uploaded to UA-cam.
Good content! Some of those parking lots can get pretty sketchy. Random curbs jetting out, puddles, pot holes and whatnot. Pretty intense.
The dress up of the lexus is why I went with a 4runner. Comes out of the box as a better all terrain vehicle. IMO 4runner (Gen 5) > 460 > 550. However, the 460 is a lot closer to the gen 5 4runner than the 550.
Until demand and quality falls to a painful level, which it may, given current inflation, subpar quality (ie., engine failures, cheaper interior materials), greedy US market markups...Toyota/Lexus may not a course correction. Nissan/Infiniti was forced to make this correction - perhaps too late, absent Honda's support - but they have produced some promising new competition in the QX80, and especially the Armada Pro4x. Nissan obviously got the "memo" and have brought a true Patrol (with optional lockers) to the US. Maybe this will be enough to entice Toyota to bring the LC 300 (GR) to the USA. One can only hope...
yes wish the name was 'patrol : by Nissan
@@drewk8601 ya took a hot minute for Nissan to learn that cramming Jatco CVTs in 95% of their cars would lead to them becoming Honda's side-chick eventually 😆
What about the sequoia?
Sat in a GX 550. I've owned a new 1994 SC400 as well as a new 1999 RX300. the GX550 interior was a major letdown in comparison. my current vehicle is a 2015 4runner LTD approaching 225k miles. If it does come time to replace it, I may search for a lightly used GX460.
so true unfortunately... if you sit in a LX600 suddenly it feels like a Lexus again
The GX is not nice inside, but it's not cheaply made inside, if that makes sense.
I have to say, I wish we could get the Suzuki Jimmy/Samurai here in the U.S. - got to drive one for two weeks on vacation.
People always seek what they don’t have. In our country people also got mad that they don’t get hybrid version of LC250. But we have LC300 GR sport. At the end of the day, it’s just car that transports you certain destinations. Also another funny fact is GX 550 overtrail more expensive than 300 GR sport in here. At some point you can get brand new GR sport here for 85,000USD when yen was cheaper
@@mongulai7897 I really want the copen GR convertible 😢
I think the only thing that could make me move away from me 2022 GX 460 would be the LX 600 WITH a V8 engine. I'm pretty certain they will never go back. I agree with you on all points of the GX 550. I don't find it Lexus like at all. I picked on that the moment I saw it at the Washington Auto Show. It lacks refinement everywhere. I also find that the fact that the seats don't fold flat and even is terrible. It's like an 8 to 10 inch drop behind the second row seat when it's down. Plus the third row is as worthless as in all GX vehicles. I keep mine in the down position so it might as well not exist. They all have no KDSS except for the Overtrail trim and I think they dropped the ball on that.
the lack e-kdss on the other trims is sad 😔 😟
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD 100%
@@Cocora22 your GX 460 is nice inside, but drive very stiff on gravel and dirt road. KDSS works great on LC200 series but not on the GX and Prado 150. That’s the design flaw of Toyota.
@@mongulai7897 I beg to differ.
I don't understand why Lexus believes people would avoid buying the GX550 or LX700h if it had a good approach angle. Lexus could still retain that giant trapezoid grille even with a higher and more slanted bumper, but noooooo, the Lexus designers have Freudian complexes and said the trapezoid must be GIGANTIC and have 7 long, girthy horizontal bars instead of 5 because otherwise customers would flock to Land Rover in droves. 🙄
I like that clip of you scraping every rock on the trail in that low rider 😉
Formula-1 GX460
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD offroad edition
it's what I've got so I'm loving it anyway :).
LX 700H Overtrail...115k. Ouch
All I know is I prefer the LX-470 from 2000-2007. They are fun to rebuild, super comfortable, it's a tank on wheels!
@@TRONA-CA what about the LX450???
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD those are also very nice. The 470 is my personal favorite...
I will consider gx550 if overtrail trim comes with 3rd row or premium trim with kdss.
Add a notable price reduction on top of that
The 'new' US-market 'Land Cruiser' and Lexus GX are just the "light-duty" Land Cruiser Prado cheaped out for us. They are both mid-size SUVs, unlike the large-size regular Land Cruiser. The US-market Toyota-badged Prado has the 4-banger turbo hybrid, while the Lexus-badged GX has the 6-cylinder turbo hybrid.
The full-size "comfort" Land Cruiser is the Lexus LX we will be getting. As you mentioned, Toyota refuses to do their work and sell us the full-size Toyota-badged Land Cruiser likely out of laziness (as EVERYONE wants a Toyota truck).
LC 200 Toyota only sold the top, top ,luxury trim ,as other world markets had a basic ,base model LC 200 cloth seats , steel rims a utilitarian model, if the LC 200 had been more utility ...than a 3row luxury Family school bus and in the $65-$70k ? range we would have bought more ,they where over priced and over wt , as for the new LC 300 trim some of the LX600/LX700h models do we need 7 models? I think Toyota does not want to cut into sequoia sales?
thoughts on a g-wagon? feel like it has the same criticism.
the German engineering part is hard to deal with, but that's just my 2 cents... many people love them
If the lx700 had a big tank maybe 28 gallons, come with 35”tires, and not the soccer mom look, I’d prob pay whatever they wanted, I just can’t do it, or maybe the look of the lc 250 with those other things I could prob do it, the 200 well built, but would never buy that one either, can’t get over the soccer mom look, I appreciate your videos and info
ya the LX700H now gets a 17 gallon tank... down from 22 gallons on the previous LX600 😔 😟 🙁 😥
@ dang why would they do that? It’s almost like Toyota just doesn’t want us to have what we want.
@rickper presumably to make room for the hybrid battery? But that's just a presumption
I Always take what you say very seriously. I still laugh at other tire review guys bragging about the 3 peak snow ❄️ symbol now. 😂😂😂🍻🇺🇲
Im not interested in either. That ticking time bomb under the hood of Both the GX and LX is more than enough for me to just collect old trucks instead. That new V6 has made the old 7M and 3VZ Toyota engines seem infinitely more reliable. At least youll make it past 100,000 miles and over a decade without spinning a bearing in a 7M.
At least with the GX460, you can buy a complete Prado front clip to replace the giant predetor face.
not gonna lie... I'm jelly of your Cressida... the _original_ Lexus 🙇♂️ 🙌 ❤️
The new LX 700 over trail is having engine issues and has the ugliest Center stack and navigation system I've ever seen compared to the 2021 LX 570. It looks like a damn afterthought!
OFF-ROAD Buah, although not agree 100%, appreciate your perspective on this Buah!
Well, said well said my friend! I was blown away and flabbergasted when Toyota did away with the land cruiser in the American market in 20 or 21, I can’t remember the year, I feel the Toyota truly thinks, the consumer stupid! PS I’m digging the robe and the jammy pants!!😂
🙇♂️ thank you ❤️ my wife made the jammy pants (xmas gift)... your comment made her day 🥲
@ thanks again for the great content keep it coming! Happy new to you as well!
Designed by an accountant.
The only true Toyota flagship these days is the Sienna Platinum
@@akshaykhole4442 amen 🙌 ❤️
They should make over trail version.
@@bobby350z they have a “woodland” edition that’s got a half inch lift. Plenty for reaching most trailheads.
Let Lexus find out the hard way that the people that are going to be buying these gx550's are not going to be previous Lexus customers.. people are also going to find out what a dumbass design it was for the back bumper trailer hitch when it gets rear-ended bending the frame!
Thank for you saving me 80k 🙏
Gx 550 or Land Cruiser Gr let’s say its same price anyone would go for overtrail Gx with double glass and Lexus badge in the Middle East market if u go to lx u will think about looks comparing to Gx looks more exciting in my opinion
@@1GulFF GR also has double glass
The Rav was still a disappointment due to its front wheel drive until 4 wheel was activated.
Approach angle was spectacular but engine design not so much.
Toyota’s and (new) Bronco’s will never be that successful climbing all over Moab.
Mind you I’d like a Landcrusier but the cost over function still doesn’t outweigh its benefits.
I’ll stick to 2016 Jeep JKRU Hardrock.
It may not be as comfortable but this thing will always climb along with mountain goats.
There's lots of overlander.airdown You Tubers out there that have a ton of nothing to say, and you just provided... hands down... the best information of any as I consider the next purchase. I have a '22 4Runner but at 5,000 lbs towing capacity it struggles pulling my trailer, so I have been looking to bump up my towing capacity with the Land Cruiser or GX550. Now I am looking at low mile 460 and 470 if I can spot them. My only concern is I will spend as much upgrading them as I would if I buy new off the lot. Your points on approach angles are important as even though I am not a major off-roader, I do get to trails out by you that can push the approach angle limits. Lots to ponder, but glad I found your channel.... hmm wonder if i can import a 300... Keep dong what you are doing. Don't sell out so you can be invited to a trail-orgy with the manufacturer reps and other influencersI Thx
Thanks for your happy and supportive comments 🙏 🙇♂️ ❤️... being a Toyota NPC/shill-bot sounds like a nightmare 😆 we won't do that!
The og gx 460 is legit!
not as legit as your sincere devotion to this channel 🙌 ❤️ 🙇♂️
Your second GX460 video 3 years ago addressed the very same insufficient approach angle as on the GX460 when you 🌮 it, so I have to say nothing new here and if anything lets call that point a draw with the new GX. With regards to interior luxury I think we all have to agree that the GX 460 takes the point there vs the OT, but in all honesty I think you have stated that you have never even washed the interior of your GX so is that really even a valid issue? GX broke out the Luxury trim level and made the OT somewhat more purpose built while still upscale. I thinks that the OT and OT+ is fine... clearly more luxurious than the McLand Cruiser and the 4Walker. Price... well it's priced to perfection it's true that it's fair game to be selective and critical for this kind of money. The LC is definitely 10-15k overpriced and a better comp isn't the previous LC300, but the FJ Cruiser. Toyota should at least give the base model the off-road drivetrain options and trail cameras. The LX 600h OT is missing KDSS otherwise that would be the ichiban model at almost $120k. Keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to buying a GX550 OT for my dirt roads and steep driveway on the AZ side of the Mohave desert...just not looking forward to that price. I'm really appreciating your content!. Happy New Year!
we are for sure the odd balls and Toyota IS up to something and I wouldn't bet against them
Absolutely and it just shows how dumb the public actually is because they don’t understand what a platform is. We have a 2022 Infiniti QX 60 and someone told me nice pathfinder. I said OK? Do you have a Highlander nice Prius. They looked at me totally confused and I stated well it’s on the same platform isn’t it? And of course they said oh yeah it is I guess. Obviously I was just proving satire at the moment, but it shows that just because a company says it’s on the same platform doesn’t really mean anything. The QX 60 is a unit body when they say platform they basically mean the struts and suspension components and that’s really it. Everything else will be different or can be different the amount of ignorance that is out in the car world from bespoke car people is insanity and the car companies know this and they play off of it.
ya that's so true... a lot can be implied with "platform" ... remember how the old RAV4 was on the Corolla platform?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD yes I do, absolutely. The next generation Toyota and Lexus we looked at and compared it to Infiniti, and there was no mistake. Infinity has become superior to Lexus, which I never thought would happen.
Btw, great video!
Thank you for your kind support 🙏 ❤️ 🙇♂️
The new Nissan armada pro4x is now a option
Preach!!!
There is not a big enough market in America for $120,000 specialty off-road vehicle that looks like another soccer mom car in line at the school dropoff. That's novelty/ halo vehicle pricing, up there with vehicles such as the TRX and the Raptor R, except those vehicles actually promote excitement unlike Toyota/ Lexus bloated yuppy wagon.
This exactly, I can drive most anything and I’d never buy the soccer mom style lx 600-700, I have a TRX and a LC 250 and a few other vehicles, but the 300 series just looks like your going to the mall, I know they are better built but they don’t have the look, my opinion
Lx700ot sucks as well. Nissan patrol pro 4x coming for LC300 jugular 😂
competition is
good 😃 ❤️
I still like the outside, but yeah... The interior sucks so much along with the technical/mechanical layouts.
gx460 the best
Brought a 23 GX460. Could not pull the trigger on a 550 that increased in price and failed to have the standard luxury of previous GX models. Moreover in the new GX550 line from base to Luxury to + they lacked what I thought should have been standard features across the whole line. Stop playing games Lexus!
@@PastorDavidFranklin inorite... park your 460 next to a LX600 and open it up and magically thay 460 quality is right there in the 600... sneaky lexus... sneaky
@ LOL! I will definitely check that out.
The GX550 is better in every way on the outside and the underneath than the GX460. On the inside it isn’t even close. The GX460 interior is what I would expect. The GX550 is a good upgrade from my 4Runner but it doesn’t say Lexus in the inside. I sat in a LX600 per you recommendation and I figured that out real quick. The LX700 still has the giant snout and no approach angles. Who are they trying to fool? I hate the front end on the LX600 plus no EKDSS? No thank you. The real Land Crusier would end the LX600/700 in my opinion. Toyota has put themselves in a bad box now.
@@deanrotering879 it's so easy: import the LC300 GRS 😃
@ I agree. I’m not one of those that could easily spend $40k more because I have been saving for a new SUV for 10 years now, but you show me the LC300 and I think I could make that happen!
I mean watching your videos I couldn't tell you ever were a fan of the 550. I'm not even convinced you're a Lexus/Toyota fan at this point. 😂😂
we're hairsplitting in this video... absolutely love Toyota/Lexus... however.... there are some issues 😕... so let's talk about them 😊 🫂 🤗 👐
The GX550 sucks as a Lexus! If it was a Toyota…and it should have been the new 4Runner it may have been ok but as a Lexus and its price point, it cannot compare to the GX460. Like you said, those who’s owned a Lexus will know the difference and should be smart and informed enough to stay away and not fall for it and those who’s never owned a Lexus might be “wow’d” and like it purely based on its exterior looks. Regardless of approach angle or whether you off road or not, the GX550 is such a “cut cost” rip off vehicle for consumers. So many quality issues and very questionable engine reliability that will surely arise in the future. I don’t expect this vehicle along with many new Toyota trucks and SUV’s to last like the older generations. Unless you lease it stay away!
Sat in one… wasn’t that amazing & felt small inside TBH
isn’t the new LX frame the same as Sequoia now?
every time I hear “build” & “rig” I want to 🤮
Thanks 🤣
The newer model uou mention will come vloser to $100k. Then all people will complain about the price. Personally I like gx550 and wished it was $10k cheaper but most cars now a days are $50k out the door.
I have put my deposit for scout traveller. Toyota is too slow with the EV game. I know a lot of folks dont like EVs but most probably they never driven one.
@@bobby350z enjoy your new scout ✌️ ❤️
I really wish they just the 300 series. Lexus design language is just so ugly and gaudy but the cars are great.
I agree. I'm not at all interested in the new Land Cruiser or GX. My 19 GX is such a nicer vehicle.
Today I saw a 550 and a bronco sport next to it. From the side they had almost identical profiles. Boring
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Same here, twin turbo V6⁉ NEVER!
No one is going to be able to afford the 700h. How disappointing
@@D_F_L_ ultra luxury is at $140k before markups 😮 🫢
@ for us commoners, what would you suggest we move to if we can’t afford Lx nor 550?
Find a 4Runner 5th gen with KDSS or 460?