I was at the Costco parking lot when I found myself face to face with a GX. My legs became weak and my vision blurred. I was In a state of panic as it passed me. Only when it had passed had I realized I had urinated myself. I was physically and mentally dominated by the Lexus GX at the Costco parking lot.
Did it wink at you and unicorns and rainbows came out of its exhaust pipe? Its paint job glistened with morning dew as it slithered away into the sunset?
Lexus if you enjoy quality, durability, and peace of mind. Land Rover if you secretly have a crush on your mechanic, and need an excuse to see him on a regular basis 😉
Time will tell of the new Lexus model will hold Over time the older gx models u could by a 10 to 12 year old model spend a few k & turn it out into an road beast most of them have never been off-road
@@nothingtoseaheardammitYeah, the turbo supercharged 48 volt mild hybrid made in Slovakia is way better than a Lexus made in a dedicated factory in Japan.
I had a Defender 110 for a year lease, simultaneously with my 2019 4Runner TRD OffRoad Premium. The Defender was excellent in nearly every capacity, better power, better interior technology etc. It made me wish there was a body-on-frame 4x4 similar to the 4Runner, but with the modern tech and luxury like a Defender. Finally the GX550 unveiled, and I am now the happy owner of the GX550 Overtrail+. I loved the Defender and highly recommend it, but I just need the technical trail crawling capability and articulation of a lifted/modded body-on-frame, solid rear axle 4x4, because I use it for offroad adventures and camping and I do like to explore very technical trails that I had to avoid in the Defender. That is just a personal preference, and a very expensive preference, so overall, the Defender is mor I have already lifted my GX550 (2.50" front, .75" rear) and have installed 35" Toyo Open Country tires, and she can go everywhere! I absolutely loved the Defender, and it inspired my transition from my 2019 4Runner to a GX550 OT+, because it raised my standards for interior tech lol.
With Defender, even a washer fluid line has heated. What I am trying to say is Defender has many little things here and there to make the experience luxury. Therefore, there are more things to go wrong. People may mislead the term reliability. Maybe there are different vehicles better for high mileage, but I don't think Defender is that bad. I intent to buy Defender 130 and heard about the reliability so I did a lot of research. Turn out it's a lot better than what people said, and most of those people haven't even test drive it, let alone lease or own it.
It's the other brands pushing a false narrative and sheep coping it. I drove Defenders as a soldier and owned a Discovery. Next broke down and never got stuck
It's not just the brands, it's the sheep themselves pushing the story. Every time the word toyota comes up 100 fanbois will come out of the woodwork to chant reliable, reliable! Yet the truth is that reputation was earned decades ago and just isn't a reality today. Rotted frames. Failed engines. Failed transmissions. Failed differentials. Recalls. I'm not so much hating on toyota - things happen. It's the fanbois who ignore this while attacking every other brand as awful. They are the problem.
@@modelrailwaynoob LOL. False narrative? Land Rover is known for being unreliable because it is. There's not a single reliability list with LR being even Top 15.
Test drove the GX and Defender 130. Bought 130. Much nicer roads mannerisms, bigger 3rd row, and extra storage space behind 3rd row. Additionally, the Lexus dealer added $6800 market price adjustment in Orlando, FL. Nope.
@@jalopy2472Fingers crossed about reliability (glad it has 4 year warranty though). The understated and rugged style of Defender interior was a huge plus. I was immediately at ease and comfortable. My wife equates Land Rover to luxury, more so than Lexus and vehicle is for her. Additionally the GX side mirrors were comically small. I daily an F150 with super duty side mirrors so I may be biased.
I'm also in Orlando. Bought my 130 from St. Pete though as the Orlando dealers were charging markups too on Defenders back in 2023 when I bought. So far 1.5 years in, its been flawless and I love it. I really wanted to like the GX when it came out. I still think it 'looks' better. But once you get in it... the story changes. I dont find it to be more premium at all over the 130 with the larger screen and full leather interior. The engine and chassis balance is night and day better in the Defender (especially since I'll never go hard core rock crawling in either). I only did a quick stint down I4 and then the Turnpike in the GX on my test drive... its fine, but it doesn't feel as confident on road at all. If you got the pockets to spend 80k to go rock crawling... go GX. If as they said in the video its light offroad work at most... there simply isn't a better all rounder on the market for an SUV that doesn't look/feel like a car based crossover.
@ Between test drives and using Uber XL while on vacation, I think we did our due diligence for a large family suv. Defender was my wife’s favorite (at least until a G-Wagon has 7 seats!) but those prices!. Glad you are enjoying yours.
Are we not going to talk about how it's completely unacceptable for BOTH of these vehicles to not treat their vehicle underbody? That's an insane amount of rust for both vehicles that could have been solved by $500 worth of pre-treatment from the factory instead of just paint. Sure both cars looks pretty, until you look underneath.
I test drove both of these vehicles and settled on (and bought) the Defender, for the reasons you guys mentioned. The road manners are just far better. The GX just feels BoF wallowy in comparison to the quicker steering, better riding, Land Rover. The only places I would disagree with this review are the rear leg room - the Lexus is noticeably tighter than the Defender in terms of leg/knee room, and I found the GX interior boring for an $80k car. It might as well be in a TX or an ES. Nice, yes - but it has zero personality. It's also hard to swallow the dealer mark-ups Lexus are asking for right now. The Lexus feels like it would be hard to love, although the risk with JLR reliability is the Defender might be an easy car to hate! I also have an old LX460 to handle the really rough stuff, so I like to think we have best of both worlds covered.
I test drove both and had a similar experience. And I'm coming off 4 previous Toyota trucks so I was really biased. And when you really look into it, the Defender really isn't that unreliable or the disaster of past JLR vehicles
@@wads80z I had the same thoughts. We bought the Defender 130 in the end. $6800 market adjustment for a Premium Plus by Lexus dealer made the decision easier.
Absolutely love my 2023.5 Defender 130. Its now 1.5 years old and its been flawless. I do like the GX but it just isnt premium enough for its price point. In the video it seems like the Defender is more utilitarian. Maybe it has to do with the trim levels, but my 130 has leather all over the place, and a much bigger screen than shown here. The quality of the materials feels premium, more on par with what I've seen and felt in the Lexus LX. than I've seen with the Lexus GX, which I'm sorry still feels barely more premium than the Land Cruiser. I know the JLR joke about how unreliable they are. But check out the TFL video on land rover reliability. The TL:DR is they're not all created equal, and the Defender in this generation is probably one of the most reliable things they've ever produced. Couple that with Lexus/Toyota's falling reliability I would go so far as to say as they are damn near the same. Of course when I was buying in 2023, I got a 7 year extended JLR warranty for peace of mind. But IMO its well worth it to have the better driving experience. One thing I will say that the video doesn't mention, While the Defender seems to be holding value relatively well on the used car market. There is no question that the GX will probably retain resale value way better due to (perceived - yet unproven) expectations of long term reliability. I've always said, 'affording' a vehicle's lease payment isn't the whole story when it comes to high end cars. Being able to eat the depreciation and cover the cost of keeping it on the road is the hard part - and the part you gotta determine if the experience is worth the hit to your pocket. For me if that 130 can comfortably make it to year 5 without issue (1.5 so far all good)... or at least with only minor issues that the dealer can easily remedy... I'm a happy camper. See ya'll in the school pick up line! Maybe we can chat up the GX/Defender over a Hotdog at Costco soon :)
Even with questionable reliability of the TT-V6 in the GX, I’d still trust it long term over the Defender. GX is likely more capable but the Defender is just about superior in every way! This will come down to loyal Lexus buyers or the Status Symbol people who have to have a Land Rover.
The same TT-V6 (V35A-FTS) that is used in the GX, Tundra and 300-series LX/LC, is used since 2017 in the Lexus LS500 with zero issues. Furthermore the V35As in the GX as the LS500 is not affected by recalls. It’s Toyota, they will fix whatever was wrong with the affected units and everybody will forget about it. The ‘bulletproof’ 5.7 V8s also had recalls in the beginning.
@@electrikoptikthere have been main bearing failings for the LS V6 too as it turns out, as is the same issue thats plagued Tundra and Seqouia. Other than the manufacturing defect about the metal burrs tho it doesn’t seem like its a supremely wide spread issue. Still a bit difficult to tell the scope
@@electrikoptik I've heard of the LX600 also having engine failures, unless they rectified the issues by the time the GX was launched it's fair to be skeptical.
Me and all the G's (grandmas) at my nona's retirement community still loving our GX460s. The V8 sound comes from the engine, not the speakers. Also not exaggerating this fact, my neighbor has a '23 Defender, bought the same month we bought our GX, and his has spent weeks at the dealer for fairly major repairs. I have 20k miles on mine and have only needed oil changes and tire rotations...
$80k of toughness should be good enough for any gravel road or dirt driveway (the last 1000 feet can be brutal after pulling off a main road and navigating an unpaved, unmaintained parking lot.
Perfectly timed video and really appreciate the fact that you put the same tires on both. I'm not a Toyota/Lexus fanboy and I don't think LR is any less reliable (at least the Defender) than any other modern vehicle. These vehicles just approach things differently and hard to decide. I like the Lexus simpler approach on paper, but when driving it (at least the OT+ one I test drove) it had a lot of vibration and was not as enjoyable as I would have thought. Going back to re-test drive the Defender.
I live in a more affluent medium sized area, I see way more Defenders than the GX/LX/LC. I personally would rather have a CPO Cayenne or X5, better than both since we all know 98% of the time it’s on road.
@lsj6721 since the video is about the new models I am assuming the person is referring to the new body styles for each. Affluent areas are going to have mainly new cars with the exception of classics and rare vehicles. You should probably take a step back and chill out. It's not that serious lol
@@lexusgs4604 When they’re new not used towards the end of the year says tax write off. Those models have been around for a long time. But when I lived in Colorado seen tons of them, which is understandable since they have more off-roader lifestyle there. Here not so much.
The reason the GX is still a solid rear axle is when you lift one side, you push the other side down. The Defender will lift tires all day. While the moms on the east coast the the mid-west may only drive to Costco, out west its not unusual to see a Lexus on the trail. I have a GX that pulls a trailer, and I do offroad it. Its my only motorized vehicle when Im traveling so it has to be reliable. Drifting a GX is snow is pure joy. You dont think about getting stuck, and the vehicle is so balanced, it goes exactly where you want it to go.
Solid rear axle is also why a GX behaves like a truck on road while a RR is significantly more planted. For a few more inches of articulation in situations you'll find yourself once every 2 years, that's a massive compromise to make. RR also has a significantly better traction control system, so it sort of evens itself out in most situations.
Lifting tires isn't a huge deal when you have adequate traction control and/or locking differentials. Afterall, the best offroad vehicle ever made available to the consumer market was a fully independent suspension truck.
@@AmmarMalikso true about the live axel and on road manners being more important because that’s really ALL 95+% of either of these platforms will ever see. That said thank GOD they both have skid plates…. 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
@@donhappel9566you seem so insecure. Coming on internet to prey on other people emotionally, mentally and psychologically is a weak mind product. 👎 Be a man. Or get a father figure.
The GX 550 has a new drivetrain so it takes some time to determine the reliability. Also, it's just too much of a gas hog, unless they can add the hybrid system.
TFL Offroad currently has a long-term D90 with Steeley’s that are 18 inches wrapped BFG KO2s. And they have a video where it tackles some of MOAB. The Land Rover off-road system is quite impressive.
That underside look of the Lexus-Toyota. Holy moly, the test car isn't even a year old. By the time the Land Rover starts showing issues that Lexus has turned to a pile of orange residue. Unreal to see for a car that expensive.
I was going to buy a GX. Called the dealership to get a test drive. They said that the 3 listed on their website were not on site and pre-sold. I asked how long it would be before I could take delivery if I did put in an order that day (July 2024) and he said "1 year, at least". Walked over the Porsche dealership where they had a smokin deal on a Defender 110SE that was still under warranty and plopped down my cash. Put 8000 trouble free miles since July.
That's a fair criticism. I love my GRC but I totally understand that the months I spent working to get one for sticker is more than most people are willing to do.
@@zedexna2t They were selling them at MSRP. I needed to replace my wife's car which stickered-out in September due to faulty emissions. I've owned an 08 FJ Cruiser since new and had relatively few problems with it, up until this year where its basically fallen apart so I was keen to get into the GX but I've always liked the Defender's looks and interior utility. In the end, the GX simply isn't worth waiting a year for - and given the recent Toyota/Lexus drop in quality (not just the V6, its the Tacoma too) I'm not sure that the price of admission is worth it.
Hike around Moab for an hour and you'll see that off-roaders don't give a single care about preserving nature. Beer cans everywhere, trash everywhere, completely irresponsible. They do it to themselves, unfortunately. Way too many bad apples.
I would opt for the Lexus, but several ASE master techs at Toyota and Lexus have directly told me they absolutely despise the new drivetrain. It’s very “European” in its complexity, and is apparently atrocious to service.
We were seriously looking at the GX550 until the iForce engine debacle. It is happening (in small numbers) w/Lexus. Plus the GX550 quality and luxury < 460/470 product. It’s a step down. This was a good winter driving comparison of two great vehicles that are somewhat problematic - mostly due to the unknowns. Although the Defender has been out long enough and seems to be decent for reliability.
@@technom3598 Recall happened before GX was released and LX was part of the recall which i would guess is built in Japan. If you dig in deeper, other Lexus models have had the engine failures but probably at a much smaller frequency since the sales volume was tiny compared to the Tundra
@ph00ny1 it was only on the hybrid motors. A cleaning process didn't occur on the assembly line for hybrid motors and debris was left behind after machining. The gx gets a different set up. And has zero hybrid. Different turbos etc
@ Recall was on the non-hybrids despite the owners reporting the same issue on the hybrid models. Unless the LX gets engine from the Alabama plant, it was also on the list of recalls along with reports that this issue is still occurring on 25MY Tundras. I think I read recently that class action lawsuit is being filed against Toyota. These bearing issue isn't happening on the Turbos and few channels have dug in deeper and found that this was also happening with LS probably at much lower frequency due to the sales volume
something most people don't know is raising the air suspension in an offroad situation makes the vehicle stiffer so you might gain a few inches in ride height but you lose the flexibility you would have in normal ride height.
We buy cars and keep them for 10+ years. We ended up going with the GX OT+ (for a multitude of reasons) over a Defender & even a G550. To name a few, we do a lot of towing; a body on frame vehicle puts less stress on the drivetrain than a unibody when towing. Unfortunately, the Defender depreciates like a rock & as the GX has not been redesigned in 13 years, I have a feeling that will not be the case with the GX. As an L405 owner, if I have to deal with Land Rover problems, it needs to be much nicer than the competition. The Defender has a cooler interior in my opinion, but it is not worth the headache like our Full-size rover is. The GX is surprisingly refined in comfort mode, but I absolutely understand what they mean "washboard effect" lol. I was also very surprised by the NVH levels of the GX. There are very few vibrations transmitted through the floor when driving on mediocre pavement & wind noise is less than the G550 (despite the similar upright windshield). The 4.0 in the G550 is proving once again, to have the similar issues as their older 4.6 M278 & 5.5 M157 engines. All the scare about the 3.4 TTV6 Toyota engine was not a design flaw, but rather a manufacturing issue that Toyota took care of quickly. (I can count on 1 hand how many other manufacturers would take responsibility for poor manufacturing). As for the Defender 3.0, it is too new to tell how it will turn out. I can tell you the 5.0 Defender with the AJ133 still has the inherit design flaws it had back in 2010-2012 with the L322. (Except it's even more strained making more power now). Overall, if you're like many who lease cars every 3 years go ahead and get the Defender. However, if you need a dependable workhorse that also doubles are a luxury hauler, the GX is the best on the market!
I put an order down on GX. Biggest cons are how noisy it is, slow it feels (but still effortless enough), and piss small gas tank. Ride quality is pretty bad but 100% forgivable being a body on frame car using springs. The body roll is more excessive than the Defnder which feels a lot less like a body on frame than the GX (which is good for Defender It behaves more like. Acar)Interior usability is also piss poor. BUT. Man. It looks SO GOOD. Like an alternative G wagon. It’s just LOOKS SO GOD DAMN GOOD
9:45 - I get what you're doing by putting the same tires on both vehicles, and it does make sense. But sometimes I think it's good to find out what the manufacturer thought was a good tire (whether it actually performs the best or if it's just cheaper through a contract order).
👏 💯 tires have to be same in a comparison test. I used to work in a shop and drove vehicles before/after tire change. Sometimes it's night and day difference.
Can someone explain to the "final thoughts" and the mention around the reliability and how they're similar? What's the argument there exactly? Very curious.
If they did, I would work 90 hours every week for an entire year to be able to buy one and keep it for the next 20 years. I really can’t trust a daily TTV6 for 2 decades.
Also I'd point out that the harshness of the Defender, however minimal over big bumps and the 'bottoming out' as was mentioned, is a lot more pronounced/felt in the 'lifted' off road height. It's more capable, but you feel it more. In the conditionsi n the video, normal mode would have sufficed (it was clearly in lifted mode) and in that normal mode, It feels like it rides ont he cloud... soaks up bumps IMO better than the GX Premium + (not OT) that I test drove.
The 2025 Lexus GX approach angle will be improved with the 1 inch lift. My assumption is it will add an additional 2 - 3 degrees of approach which is not great but much more competitive than the outgoing model and definitely better than the GX460 (which I own and love and have added a 1/2 lift that got similar results).
The more I look at this GX, the more certain I am it is the reason they got rid of the Nightshade 4Runner in 2021. The two vehicles are so incredibly similar in terms of look, daily capability, and luxury (I would hazard the materials in the Nightshade outclassed the current Lexus GX and at a price $30,000 cheaper with a useful liftgate that hides the glass). 5th gen 4Runner also looks shockingly better underneath than this GX they reviewed after more than a year’s ownership. In the TNGF world the GX is clearly the best, avoids the hybrid battery nonsense, avoids the anemic/buzzy turbo 4 of the “Landcruiser” and turbo V6 issues the Tundra has, and has better towing capacity. Yet it still feels like Toyota is screwing up with all of these 4Runner, Land Cruiser, and GX trim lines at these ridiculous prices. I’m still waiting to hear a legitimate reason to buy the Landcruiser, which is obviously going to drop in value more than the GX from the get-go. The romance is gone. Probably why a Toyota:Land Rover comparison is now even possible.
While the Landy might have the air suspension ride height advantage, you lose a LOT of articulation with these trucks when they're raised up, like any air suspension/independent suspension rig (Cayenne, Touareg, etc.)
I drive a GX 460, the on road performance becomes a tiring on long road trips. No doubt it's reliable but driving comfort also matters. I test drove GX 550, it's more redefined but has the same kind of truck feel. When you want more refinement ride quality Defender is much better, Uni body construction provides that comfort over Truck body. The MPG on Lexus suck, but in todays world they could have done a better job with MPG.
Body on frame is inherently better because real overlanders will upgrade the suspension adding lift and better rebound control. The defender won’t be able to accept more lifts and even if it did would not have as much of a wheel travel than the gx Mark, Jack - try going offroad in Big Bend National Park, where the trails are full of stones and rocks that you blast through at 20mph. Then you’ll see why the gx is better
Coming from a Land Rover and into a Lexus GX 550….I will NOT miss those maintenance costs and frequent trips to service for maintenance. Lexus ALL DAY!!!
The Defender is the spiritual successor to the second gen Discovery. If it was my money, between the 2 I'm gonna side with Lexus for reliability, although I prefer the looks of the Defender. But realistically, I would rather find an older LX/Land Cruiser and build one out.
@@NomenClature-o8s Mom is hot Electrical systems Electronic systems Suspension systems Are the 3 teenagers - that Toyota can throw out of the house in an instant
The sheer difference in management culture is a big part of the problem. Changing that alone would be a huge task. Not easy to switch how a company works overall. Toyota is also hugely in debted at this time given all their R&D. So it wouldn't have made much sense.
@ Talking about back then when Toyota was flush with cash and Ford held a firesale And JLR management is crap anyway and amenable to change Shown by how easy it was for iTATA to run things Please note - TATA is a massively incompetent and corrupt organization , and they’re still able to puke out products through JLR
There’s this channel called Tinkerer’s Adventures that illustrates really well through several videos the value of the Lexus GXs engineering for real on the limit off roading. There’s even a light comparison between it and the Defender 80, and they really show how despite the ride height disadvantage, the GXs ultimate compliance is far more capable. I think saying 99% of these kind of trucks will be used for just mild off roading is a tad disingenuous. Maybe more like 90% lol. But there’s more overlanding enthusiasts with this kind of scratch who’ll use the whole or beyond of what these things can do.
You are probably not wrong with the 99 percent statistic. That said off roading or hardcore off roading in the case of the GX was largely done by not the first owner during those vehicles lives.
I wonder if the LX700 Overtrail will ride better than the GX (and how else it can justify the price jump) - assuming/hoping you guys will find out at some point.
I think that when under warranty, either vehicle is good, however, after warranty has expired, I have to go with the Lexus. Land Rover used vehicle prices drop horrendously but not with the Lexus. As well the long term reliability of the Land Rover is quite poor, according to owners reports. I bought my first 4Runner in 1985, and had it for 27 years. Bought an 8 year old 4Runner when I sold my first 4Runner, and now it is 22 years old, and going strong. Extremely little maintenance on either one. Hoping that it will be my last vehicle before I take the dirt nap.
With the way the Max engines have been and amount of recalls, I’d only consider a Yukon AT4. At least I’ll know I can go 150k miles before the transmission went.
The fact that this channel features some of the most in-depth and seemingly objective reviews and also one of the most biased reviewers of all time is pretty wtf. Like what does Mark get out of this if he's in it to confirm what he already thinks in every episode? Makes no sense.
These are my two favorite vehicles to drive when I'm speeding 30 mph over the speed limit in a school zone to drop off my kids for morning volleyball practice and taking three parking spots at my local Whole Foods.
Just get the Range Rover Sport and forget these... Ya'll giving that GX way too much reliability cred, mucho issues with that 3.4 liter. 4.6 or 5.7 yeah all day long those are PROVEN! BTW this channel is just WOW!
Mark seems to be glowing. He isn’t “with child” is he?
I was at the Costco parking lot when I found myself face to face with a GX. My legs became weak and my vision blurred. I was In a state of panic as it passed me. Only when it had passed had I realized I had urinated myself. I was physically and mentally dominated by the Lexus GX at the Costco parking lot.
I hope one day to be good enough with words to make comments like this one
Great read! 😂😂😂
Did it wink at you and unicorns and rainbows came out of its exhaust pipe? Its paint job glistened with morning dew as it slithered away into the sunset?
This is the real review we have all been waiting for
"Moab of the midwest, Autobahn raceway" really got me. Another well done video!
As a bit of a tire nerd, I adore the fact that you guys specify the tire for your tests.
All comparisons should be on the same brand/model tires. Kudos to savagegeese for doing this!
I've had a P400 Defender 110X for 18 months. No issues yet. Perfect do everything vehicle.
LR reliability tends to be an ongoing internet exaggeration. Never had more issues with my Disco's than Lexus' we've owned.
Lexus if you enjoy quality, durability, and peace of mind. Land Rover if you secretly have a crush on your mechanic, and need an excuse to see him on a regular basis 😉
Truth
Time will tell of the new Lexus model will hold Over time the older gx models u could by a 10 to 12 year old model spend a few k & turn it out into an road beast most of them have never been off-road
The new Defender is much more reliable than LR haters (aka Toyota owners) like to talk about.
@@nothingtoseaheardammitYeah, the turbo supercharged 48 volt mild hybrid made in Slovakia is way better than a Lexus made in a dedicated factory in Japan.
JD Power results…Defender decent reliability. That’s been my experience with my D90
Mans said the "Moab of the Midwest - Autobahn Country Club" 🤣 took me out
I had a Defender 110 for a year lease, simultaneously with my 2019 4Runner TRD OffRoad Premium. The Defender was excellent in nearly every capacity, better power, better interior technology etc. It made me wish there was a body-on-frame 4x4 similar to the 4Runner, but with the modern tech and luxury like a Defender. Finally the GX550 unveiled, and I am now the happy owner of the GX550 Overtrail+.
I loved the Defender and highly recommend it, but I just need the technical trail crawling capability and articulation of a lifted/modded body-on-frame, solid rear axle 4x4, because I use it for offroad adventures and camping and I do like to explore very technical trails that I had to avoid in the Defender. That is just a personal preference, and a very expensive preference, so overall, the Defender is mor I have already lifted my GX550 (2.50" front, .75" rear) and have installed 35" Toyo Open Country tires, and she can go everywhere!
I absolutely loved the Defender, and it inspired my transition from my 2019 4Runner to a GX550 OT+, because it raised my standards for interior tech lol.
This is what people buy GX. For people arguing about these two, these cars have different philosophy.
An owner of a 4Runner was never going to buy a Defender.
Buy GX, lease Defender
This is the way.
Incorrect. Buy 20 year old Honda Element. The OG of box vehicles
@@chkndntsokay, THIS is the way
Buy GX,avoid Defender... fixed it
I really appreciate you guys when comparing use the same tires. That can completely change the ride, handling and noise in the car.
With Defender, even a washer fluid line has heated. What I am trying to say is Defender has many little things here and there to make the experience luxury. Therefore, there are more things to go wrong. People may mislead the term reliability. Maybe there are different vehicles better for high mileage, but I don't think Defender is that bad. I intent to buy Defender 130 and heard about the reliability so I did a lot of research. Turn out it's a lot better than what people said, and most of those people haven't even test drive it, let alone lease or own it.
It's the other brands pushing a false narrative and sheep coping it. I drove Defenders as a soldier and owned a Discovery. Next broke down and never got stuck
Even on youtube with prepped press vehicles, that's proven false. Defender is as reliable as a meth head.
It's not just the brands, it's the sheep themselves pushing the story. Every time the word toyota comes up 100 fanbois will come out of the woodwork to chant reliable, reliable! Yet the truth is that reputation was earned decades ago and just isn't a reality today. Rotted frames. Failed engines. Failed transmissions. Failed differentials. Recalls. I'm not so much hating on toyota - things happen. It's the fanbois who ignore this while attacking every other brand as awful. They are the problem.
@@donhappel9566 It still is reality today. Where's LR on reliability rankings? At the bottom? Where's Toyota on reliability rankings? Top 3.
@@modelrailwaynoob LOL. False narrative? Land Rover is known for being unreliable because it is. There's not a single reliability list with LR being even Top 15.
Test drove the GX and Defender 130. Bought 130. Much nicer roads mannerisms, bigger 3rd row, and extra storage space behind 3rd row. Additionally, the Lexus dealer added $6800 market price adjustment in Orlando, FL. Nope.
@@jalopy2472water pump inside the engine is more efficient
@@jalopy2472Fingers crossed about reliability (glad it has 4 year warranty though). The understated and rugged style of Defender interior was a huge plus. I was immediately at ease and comfortable. My wife equates Land Rover to luxury, more so than Lexus and vehicle is for her. Additionally the GX side mirrors were comically small. I daily an F150 with super duty side mirrors so I may be biased.
@ less efficient on your wallet when you need to tear apart the engine every 60k to change a water pump
I'm also in Orlando. Bought my 130 from St. Pete though as the Orlando dealers were charging markups too on Defenders back in 2023 when I bought. So far 1.5 years in, its been flawless and I love it. I really wanted to like the GX when it came out. I still think it 'looks' better. But once you get in it... the story changes. I dont find it to be more premium at all over the 130 with the larger screen and full leather interior. The engine and chassis balance is night and day better in the Defender (especially since I'll never go hard core rock crawling in either). I only did a quick stint down I4 and then the Turnpike in the GX on my test drive... its fine, but it doesn't feel as confident on road at all.
If you got the pockets to spend 80k to go rock crawling... go GX. If as they said in the video its light offroad work at most... there simply isn't a better all rounder on the market for an SUV that doesn't look/feel like a car based crossover.
@ Between test drives and using Uber XL while on vacation, I think we did our due diligence for a large family suv. Defender was my wife’s favorite (at least until a G-Wagon has 7 seats!) but those prices!. Glad you are enjoying yours.
I work at a Lexus dealer and I’ve noticed we’ve gotten a lot of Defender trade-ins lately
There was a guy who was telling me how good are defenders then also told me how they are on market than GX. I smiled. 😊
Are we not going to talk about how it's completely unacceptable for BOTH of these vehicles to not treat their vehicle underbody? That's an insane amount of rust for both vehicles that could have been solved by $500 worth of pre-treatment from the factory instead of just paint. Sure both cars looks pretty, until you look underneath.
I test drove both of these vehicles and settled on (and bought) the Defender, for the reasons you guys mentioned. The road manners are just far better. The GX just feels BoF wallowy in comparison to the quicker steering, better riding, Land Rover. The only places I would disagree with this review are the rear leg room - the Lexus is noticeably tighter than the Defender in terms of leg/knee room, and I found the GX interior boring for an $80k car. It might as well be in a TX or an ES. Nice, yes - but it has zero personality. It's also hard to swallow the dealer mark-ups Lexus are asking for right now. The Lexus feels like it would be hard to love, although the risk with JLR reliability is the Defender might be an easy car to hate! I also have an old LX460 to handle the really rough stuff, so I like to think we have best of both worlds covered.
I test drove both and had a similar experience. And I'm coming off 4 previous Toyota trucks so I was really biased. And when you really look into it, the Defender really isn't that unreliable or the disaster of past JLR vehicles
@@wads80z I had the same thoughts. We bought the Defender 130 in the end. $6800 market adjustment for a Premium Plus by Lexus dealer made the decision easier.
Absolutely love my 2023.5 Defender 130. Its now 1.5 years old and its been flawless. I do like the GX but it just isnt premium enough for its price point. In the video it seems like the Defender is more utilitarian. Maybe it has to do with the trim levels, but my 130 has leather all over the place, and a much bigger screen than shown here. The quality of the materials feels premium, more on par with what I've seen and felt in the Lexus LX. than I've seen with the Lexus GX, which I'm sorry still feels barely more premium than the Land Cruiser. I know the JLR joke about how unreliable they are. But check out the TFL video on land rover reliability. The TL:DR is they're not all created equal, and the Defender in this generation is probably one of the most reliable things they've ever produced. Couple that with Lexus/Toyota's falling reliability I would go so far as to say as they are damn near the same. Of course when I was buying in 2023, I got a 7 year extended JLR warranty for peace of mind. But IMO its well worth it to have the better driving experience.
One thing I will say that the video doesn't mention, While the Defender seems to be holding value relatively well on the used car market. There is no question that the GX will probably retain resale value way better due to (perceived - yet unproven) expectations of long term reliability.
I've always said, 'affording' a vehicle's lease payment isn't the whole story when it comes to high end cars. Being able to eat the depreciation and cover the cost of keeping it on the road is the hard part - and the part you gotta determine if the experience is worth the hit to your pocket.
For me if that 130 can comfortably make it to year 5 without issue (1.5 so far all good)... or at least with only minor issues that the dealer can easily remedy... I'm a happy camper.
See ya'll in the school pick up line! Maybe we can chat up the GX/Defender over a Hotdog at Costco soon :)
The Defender has such a cool functional interior with all the buttons and analog controls.
Even with questionable reliability of the TT-V6 in the GX, I’d still trust it long term over the Defender. GX is likely more capable but the Defender is just about superior in every way! This will come down to loyal Lexus buyers or the Status Symbol people who have to have a Land Rover.
The same TT-V6 (V35A-FTS) that is used in the GX, Tundra and 300-series LX/LC, is used since 2017 in the Lexus LS500 with zero issues. Furthermore the V35As in the GX as the LS500 is not affected by recalls. It’s Toyota, they will fix whatever was wrong with the affected units and everybody will forget about it. The ‘bulletproof’ 5.7 V8s also had recalls in the beginning.
@@electrikoptikLS engine is also tuned much different than these used in these BOF models.
@@electrikoptikthis is correct. Different situations. The reliability is not compromised with this motor. It’s not the tundra
@@electrikoptikthere have been main bearing failings for the LS V6 too as it turns out, as is the same issue thats plagued Tundra and Seqouia. Other than the manufacturing defect about the metal burrs tho it doesn’t seem like its a supremely wide spread issue. Still a bit difficult to tell the scope
@@electrikoptik I've heard of the LX600 also having engine failures, unless they rectified the issues by the time the GX was launched it's fair to be skeptical.
I want both. Showing charts for comparison is so appreciated.
Me and all the G's (grandmas) at my nona's retirement community still loving our GX460s. The V8 sound comes from the engine, not the speakers. Also not exaggerating this fact, my neighbor has a '23 Defender, bought the same month we bought our GX, and his has spent weeks at the dealer for fairly major repairs. I have 20k miles on mine and have only needed oil changes and tire rotations...
These geese are savage!
Like Mark’s exes.
I just love that GX 550.
Looks amazing and handles great 👍
$80k of toughness should be good enough for any gravel road or dirt driveway (the last 1000 feet can be brutal after pulling off a main road and navigating an unpaved, unmaintained parking lot.
Perfectly timed video and really appreciate the fact that you put the same tires on both. I'm not a Toyota/Lexus fanboy and I don't think LR is any less reliable (at least the Defender) than any other modern vehicle. These vehicles just approach things differently and hard to decide. I like the Lexus simpler approach on paper, but when driving it (at least the OT+ one I test drove) it had a lot of vibration and was not as enjoyable as I would have thought. Going back to re-test drive the Defender.
One of the many, many things I love about this channel is the consistent music player Easter eggs!
I live in a more affluent medium sized area, I see way more Defenders than the GX/LX/LC. I personally would rather have a CPO Cayenne or X5, better than both since we all know 98% of the time it’s on road.
I dont disagree with the x5, cayenne pick. We do plan on doing some real off road comparisons this year but our off road course got iced out sadly.
Because the defender has been selling since 2020. The GX/LC started selling in 2024.
@@lexusgs4604 so there are no GX/LX/LC of old?
you are a special kind of something, aren't you.
@lsj6721 since the video is about the new models I am assuming the person is referring to the new body styles for each. Affluent areas are going to have mainly new cars with the exception of classics and rare vehicles.
You should probably take a step back and chill out. It's not that serious lol
@@lexusgs4604 When they’re new not used towards the end of the year says tax write off. Those models have been around for a long time. But when I lived in Colorado seen tons of them, which is understandable since they have more off-roader lifestyle there. Here not so much.
The reason the GX is still a solid rear axle is when you lift one side, you push the other side down. The Defender will lift tires all day. While the moms on the east coast the the mid-west may only drive to Costco, out west its not unusual to see a Lexus on the trail. I have a GX that pulls a trailer, and I do offroad it. Its my only motorized vehicle when Im traveling so it has to be reliable. Drifting a GX is snow is pure joy. You dont think about getting stuck, and the vehicle is so balanced, it goes exactly where you want it to go.
Solid rear axle is also why a GX behaves like a truck on road while a RR is significantly more planted. For a few more inches of articulation in situations you'll find yourself once every 2 years, that's a massive compromise to make. RR also has a significantly better traction control system, so it sort of evens itself out in most situations.
Lifting tires isn't a huge deal when you have adequate traction control and/or locking differentials. Afterall, the best offroad vehicle ever made available to the consumer market was a fully independent suspension truck.
@@AmmarMalikAnd RR Is consistently at the very bottom of JD Powers reliability ratings, whereas Lexus is literally #1.
@ bruh that has nothing to do with its independent suspension
@@AmmarMalikso true about the live axel and on road manners being more important because that’s really ALL 95+% of either of these platforms will ever see. That said thank GOD they both have skid plates…. 😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😂
Love the review. 2020 defender 110 65k miles owner here. 0 issues. Just traded for a 2024.
Traded it before the issues started. Wise choice.
@@newchevyman This coming from somebody who calls themselves 'new chevy man'.. . Wow, they jokes practically write themselves!
@@newchevymanthat’s what they are doing. You wonder why the new defender is already in available used in a big number.
@@donhappel9566you seem so insecure. Coming on internet to prey on other people emotionally, mentally and psychologically is a weak mind product. 👎 Be a man. Or get a father figure.
The laughing from Jack and Mark in this video had me laughing out loud at my local Panera.
Resale value of used vehicles tells you all you need to know.
What's funny is the defenders actually hold their value decent and the gx isn't as good as usual
@@technom3598 show me that used GX550 market, oh wait...
That's not how it works except in your simple mind
Some people can afford to buy new
The GX 550 has a new drivetrain so it takes some time to determine the reliability. Also, it's just too much of a gas hog, unless they can add the hybrid system.
At this point, I am beginning to wonder if Toyota is paying people to write these comments. The fanboyism next level here
Toyota has a rabid enthusiast base, before the bought bot comments.
TFL Offroad currently has a long-term D90 with Steeley’s that are 18 inches wrapped BFG KO2s. And they have a video where it tackles some of MOAB. The Land Rover off-road system is quite impressive.
15:05 - "Put it in"
Finally the Jack and Mark content we've been waiting for.
I mean, what?
GeeseHub™
“An inch is all that matters” facts Jack, facts.
That Lexus is beautiful 😍
That underside look of the Lexus-Toyota. Holy moly, the test car isn't even a year old. By the time the Land Rover starts showing issues that Lexus has turned to a pile of orange residue. Unreal to see for a car that expensive.
I was going to buy a GX. Called the dealership to get a test drive. They said that the 3 listed on their website were not on site and pre-sold. I asked how long it would be before I could take delivery if I did put in an order that day (July 2024) and he said "1 year, at least". Walked over the Porsche dealership where they had a smokin deal on a Defender 110SE that was still under warranty and plopped down my cash. Put 8000 trouble free miles since July.
That's a fair criticism. I love my GRC but I totally understand that the months I spent working to get one for sticker is more than most people are willing to do.
@@zedexna2t They were selling them at MSRP. I needed to replace my wife's car which stickered-out in September due to faulty emissions. I've owned an 08 FJ Cruiser since new and had relatively few problems with it, up until this year where its basically fallen apart so I was keen to get into the GX but I've always liked the Defender's looks and interior utility. In the end, the GX simply isn't worth waiting a year for - and given the recent Toyota/Lexus drop in quality (not just the V6, its the Tacoma too) I'm not sure that the price of admission is worth it.
Had the same experience. Also bought a Defender 110S.
Similar story with the LX in 2022 - ended up trading my Q8 for an SQ8. Very different car to be sure but no major issues over 30k miles.
Tell us how you like the defender after 3 years.
Ironically, Patagonia support groups working to close off road trails throughout the west. Great video guys!
Hike around Moab for an hour and you'll see that off-roaders don't give a single care about preserving nature. Beer cans everywhere, trash everywhere, completely irresponsible. They do it to themselves, unfortunately. Way too many bad apples.
I would opt for the Lexus, but several ASE master techs at Toyota and Lexus have directly told me they absolutely despise the new drivetrain. It’s very “European” in its complexity, and is apparently atrocious to service.
We were seriously looking at the GX550 until the iForce engine debacle. It is happening (in small numbers) w/Lexus. Plus the GX550 quality and luxury < 460/470 product. It’s a step down. This was a good winter driving comparison of two great vehicles that are somewhat problematic - mostly due to the unknowns. Although the Defender has been out long enough and seems to be decent for reliability.
The gx wasn't affected.
@@technom3598 Recall happened before GX was released and LX was part of the recall which i would guess is built in Japan. If you dig in deeper, other Lexus models have had the engine failures but probably at a much smaller frequency since the sales volume was tiny compared to the Tundra
@ph00ny1 it was only on the hybrid motors. A cleaning process didn't occur on the assembly line for hybrid motors and debris was left behind after machining. The gx gets a different set up. And has zero hybrid. Different turbos etc
@ Recall was on the non-hybrids despite the owners reporting the same issue on the hybrid models. Unless the LX gets engine from the Alabama plant, it was also on the list of recalls along with reports that this issue is still occurring on 25MY Tundras. I think I read recently that class action lawsuit is being filed against Toyota. These bearing issue isn't happening on the Turbos and few channels have dug in deeper and found that this was also happening with LS probably at much lower frequency due to the sales volume
The cost of these frauenpanzers is just amazing to me. That said, I really enjoyed this content. Thanks, gents!
Nice job, fellas!
something most people don't know is raising the air suspension in an offroad situation makes the vehicle stiffer so you might gain a few inches in ride height but you lose the flexibility you would have in normal ride height.
6:00 "An inch is what matters, Mark!" 😆
We buy cars and keep them for 10+ years. We ended up going with the GX OT+ (for a multitude of reasons) over a Defender & even a G550. To name a few, we do a lot of towing; a body on frame vehicle puts less stress on the drivetrain than a unibody when towing. Unfortunately, the Defender depreciates like a rock & as the GX has not been redesigned in 13 years, I have a feeling that will not be the case with the GX. As an L405 owner, if I have to deal with Land Rover problems, it needs to be much nicer than the competition. The Defender has a cooler interior in my opinion, but it is not worth the headache like our Full-size rover is. The GX is surprisingly refined in comfort mode, but I absolutely understand what they mean "washboard effect" lol. I was also very surprised by the NVH levels of the GX. There are very few vibrations transmitted through the floor when driving on mediocre pavement & wind noise is less than the G550 (despite the similar upright windshield). The 4.0 in the G550 is proving once again, to have the similar issues as their older 4.6 M278 & 5.5 M157 engines. All the scare about the 3.4 TTV6 Toyota engine was not a design flaw, but rather a manufacturing issue that Toyota took care of quickly. (I can count on 1 hand how many other manufacturers would take responsibility for poor manufacturing). As for the Defender 3.0, it is too new to tell how it will turn out. I can tell you the 5.0 Defender with the AJ133 still has the inherit design flaws it had back in 2010-2012 with the L322. (Except it's even more strained making more power now). Overall, if you're like many who lease cars every 3 years go ahead and get the Defender. However, if you need a dependable workhorse that also doubles are a luxury hauler, the GX is the best on the market!
I put an order down on GX. Biggest cons are how noisy it is, slow it feels (but still effortless enough), and piss small gas tank. Ride quality is pretty bad but 100% forgivable being a body on frame car using springs. The body roll is more excessive than the Defnder which feels a lot less like a body on frame than the GX (which is good for Defender It behaves more like. Acar)Interior usability is also piss poor.
BUT. Man. It looks SO GOOD. Like an alternative G wagon. It’s just LOOKS SO GOD DAMN GOOD
Beauty stole your heart. I can see. 😊
Lexus for Reliability and the Defender for everything else. Love the look of the new defender.
Just Dominating Costco. Bravo!!!!
A couple of giggle boxes in boxes. Thanks for the comparison.
9:45 - I get what you're doing by putting the same tires on both vehicles, and it does make sense. But sometimes I think it's good to find out what the manufacturer thought was a good tire (whether it actually performs the best or if it's just cheaper through a contract order).
"Moab of the midwest"
👏 💯 tires have to be same in a comparison test. I used to work in a shop and drove vehicles before/after tire change. Sometimes it's night and day difference.
The Lexus looks nicer to me and I like Lexus in general so I’m biased
subjective irrelevant viewpoint
In the moab of utah i've been seeing a lot of the Ineos Grenadier models start to really eat into the market share of this segment
Rolling down the street in my defender to get my bean bag waxed.
Can someone explain to the "final thoughts" and the mention around the reliability and how they're similar? What's the argument there exactly? Very curious.
Land Rover if you are dating your mechanic’s daughter. You’ll always know when he’s in the shop working on your car.
The 5.0 V8 should be put in the GX as an option for the higher trims. That would make a world of difference
If they did, I would work 90 hours every week for an entire year to be able to buy one and keep it for the next 20 years. I really can’t trust a daily TTV6 for 2 decades.
Dominating Costco LOL - Nailed it gents!
I’m pretty sure you can fold the bottoms up on the rear seats of the Defender to all the 2nd row seat backs to lay flat.
Also I'd point out that the harshness of the Defender, however minimal over big bumps and the 'bottoming out' as was mentioned, is a lot more pronounced/felt in the 'lifted' off road height. It's more capable, but you feel it more. In the conditionsi n the video, normal mode would have sufficed (it was clearly in lifted mode) and in that normal mode, It feels like it rides ont he cloud... soaks up bumps IMO better than the GX Premium + (not OT) that I test drove.
Great video, but note, the tires on the Defender are NOT factory sizes. At 10:14, I see 255/55r20 (factory sidewall is 60).
15:04 just the audio
No video
What are you guys doing in there
The 2025 Lexus GX approach angle will be improved with the 1 inch lift. My assumption is it will add an additional 2 - 3 degrees of approach which is not great but much more competitive than the outgoing model and definitely better than the GX460 (which I own and love and have added a 1/2 lift that got similar results).
In conclusion,
One will be stolen within 1 month.
The other will break within 1 month.
People are stealing Lexus SUVs? I’ve only seen the RX’s being stolen.
The more I look at this GX, the more certain I am it is the reason they got rid of the Nightshade 4Runner in 2021. The two vehicles are so incredibly similar in terms of look, daily capability, and luxury (I would hazard the materials in the Nightshade outclassed the current Lexus GX and at a price $30,000 cheaper with a useful liftgate that hides the glass). 5th gen 4Runner also looks shockingly better underneath than this GX they reviewed after more than a year’s ownership.
In the TNGF world the GX is clearly the best, avoids the hybrid battery nonsense, avoids the anemic/buzzy turbo 4 of the “Landcruiser” and turbo V6 issues the Tundra has, and has better towing capacity.
Yet it still feels like Toyota is screwing up with all of these 4Runner, Land Cruiser, and GX trim lines at these ridiculous prices. I’m still waiting to hear a legitimate reason to buy the Landcruiser, which is obviously going to drop in value more than the GX from the get-go. The romance is gone. Probably why a Toyota:Land Rover comparison is now even possible.
NGL I really like the Lexus's looks.
While the Landy might have the air suspension ride height advantage, you lose a LOT of articulation with these trucks when they're raised up, like any air suspension/independent suspension rig (Cayenne, Touareg, etc.)
Leasing? Land Rover. - Buying? Lexus.
I drive a GX 460, the on road performance becomes a tiring on long road trips. No doubt it's reliable but driving comfort also matters. I test drove GX 550, it's more redefined but has the same kind of truck feel. When you want more refinement ride quality Defender is much better, Uni body construction provides that comfort over Truck body. The MPG on Lexus suck, but in todays world they could have done a better job with MPG.
I’ll stick w my 2023 GX. Holding its value beautifully and no issues thus far.
I second this. My 2016 GX is running perfectly!
End of world vehicle.
Land Rover, broken marriage implied 😂
Body on frame is inherently better because real overlanders will upgrade the suspension adding lift and better rebound control.
The defender won’t be able to accept more lifts and even if it did would not have as much of a wheel travel than the gx
Mark, Jack - try going offroad in Big Bend National Park, where the trails are full of stones and rocks that you blast through at 20mph. Then you’ll see why the gx is better
How much departure and approach angle do I need to go to hobby lobby? Thanks.
A lot. 😊
My 2008 GX also gets 17 mpg combined (on 87 octane!) with a V8. So that’s disappointing.
I own the gx. Biggest complaint is tiny gas tank and next to zero storage space in the cockpit
Coming from a Land Rover and into a Lexus GX 550….I will NOT miss those maintenance costs and frequent trips to service for maintenance.
Lexus ALL DAY!!!
Most extreme test seems to be a heat lamp on the side mirrors.
The Defender is the spiritual successor to the second gen Discovery. If it was my money, between the 2 I'm gonna side with Lexus for reliability, although I prefer the looks of the Defender. But realistically, I would rather find an older LX/Land Cruiser and build one out.
One of them needs 3 trips to the dealer in the first month.
Why Toyota didn’t buy JLR still blows my mind
That would be like marrying a 46 year old single Mom with 3 teenagers. You’re interviewing for pain.
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Mom is hot
Mom’s mental problems and 3 teenagers are the electrical, electronic and suspension systems
Which Toyota can easily get rid of
@@NomenClature-o8s
Mom is hot
Electrical systems
Electronic systems
Suspension systems
Are the 3 teenagers - that Toyota can throw out of the house in an instant
The sheer difference in management culture is a big part of the problem. Changing that alone would be a huge task. Not easy to switch how a company works overall.
Toyota is also hugely in debted at this time given all their R&D. So it wouldn't have made much sense.
@
Talking about back then when Toyota was flush with cash and Ford held a firesale
And JLR management is crap anyway and amenable to change
Shown by how easy it was for iTATA to run things
Please note - TATA is a massively incompetent and corrupt organization , and they’re still able to puke out products through JLR
There’s this channel called Tinkerer’s Adventures that illustrates really well through several videos the value of the Lexus GXs engineering for real on the limit off roading.
There’s even a light comparison between it and the Defender 80, and they really show how despite the ride height disadvantage, the GXs ultimate compliance is far more capable.
I think saying 99% of these kind of trucks will be used for just mild off roading is a tad disingenuous. Maybe more like 90% lol. But there’s more overlanding enthusiasts with this kind of scratch who’ll use the whole or beyond of what these things can do.
You are probably not wrong with the 99 percent statistic. That said off roading or hardcore off roading in the case of the GX was largely done by not the first owner during those vehicles lives.
My 2022 Defender hasn't made it to Costco yet - but I'm signed up for the LR Winter Romp in February.
I wonder if the LX700 Overtrail will ride better than the GX (and how else it can justify the price jump) - assuming/hoping you guys will find out at some point.
I think my first studio apartment that I lived in during college is smaller than that Lexus GX
Is that Turbowski at 10:44?????
I think that when under warranty, either vehicle is good, however, after warranty has expired, I have to go with the Lexus. Land Rover used vehicle prices drop horrendously but not with the Lexus. As well the long term reliability of the Land Rover is quite poor, according to owners reports. I bought my first 4Runner in 1985, and had it for 27 years. Bought an 8 year old 4Runner when I sold my first 4Runner, and now it is 22 years old, and going strong. Extremely little maintenance on either one. Hoping that it will be my last vehicle before I take the dirt nap.
What about vs the Armada 4x4 Pro 4X?
I'd prefer to be seen in the Lexus... for the next 15 years. I prefer to be familiar with the Lexus dealership people... for all the right reasons.
With the way the Max engines have been and amount of recalls, I’d only consider a Yukon AT4. At least I’ll know I can go 150k miles before the transmission went.
The fact that this channel features some of the most in-depth and seemingly objective reviews and also one of the most biased reviewers of all time is pretty wtf. Like what does Mark get out of this if he's in it to confirm what he already thinks in every episode? Makes no sense.
These are my two favorite vehicles to drive when I'm speeding 30 mph over the speed limit in a school zone to drop off my kids for morning volleyball practice and taking three parking spots at my local Whole Foods.
To pick up food for your wife’s boyfriend right?
Not a chance I'd risk owning a Land Rover again. Turds on wheels the lot of them.
Why aren't there more racetracks that do sonw day events? Wouldnt it be safer since everyone is going slower in theory?
Didn't show under body protection comparison..🤔
Nothing says you’re bad with money like buying a Land Rover.
Just a note: the rear seats on the 110 should fold flat, ours do...
When Jack camps out overnight before his Dave Mathews concert he likes his head propped up a bit while browsing the REI website.
Most-reliable vs. least-reliable soccer mom parking lot curb crawlers.
Fun!
Defender OCTA review when?
Just get the Range Rover Sport and forget these... Ya'll giving that GX way too much reliability cred, mucho issues with that 3.4 liter. 4.6 or 5.7 yeah all day long those are PROVEN! BTW this channel is just WOW!