Multiple origin stories would be a multiple choice past. None of his origins ever tell us that’s the exact way he became The Joker and they all could be falsely told from The Joker’s point of view.
I dont know if this is a COMMON misconception but the false thought seems to be popular with people I know, that the joker is Harley's little emo lover boy. He isn't. He is a manipulative, abusive sociopath who used her to escape Arkham and, on a whim, let her follow him around and help him out.
I dunno, he also has shown a level of fixation on her as well. He is absolutely the user and abuser in this scenario, but that scene from suicide squad where she jumps into the vat and he jumps after her is a pretty solid demonstration of how he has acted towards her over the course of her introduction in the animated series on forward. As is his abandoning her underwater for batman to save during a chase scene. He isnt precisely devoted to her, but he cant bring himself to take her out or just walk away forever either. Anyone who thinks harley and joker are relationship goals though, needs serious psychiatric help.
@@chrishubbard64 I'd say that has less to do with Harley and more to do with Joker himself. He's a freaking narcissist, Harley is walking proof of how good he is at what he does, manipulating people. This makes her a nice trophy on his wall or a mirror to look at. He leaves her for long periods and doesn't care, but let her have some agency and leave him and he'd hound her to the ends of the earth. Something that Ivy always points out to Harley. Its always about him and she's no different. Heck, if we're being honest, even Batman is no different. Batman just exists in Joker's mind to be his straight man and thus make all of the things he does that he finds hilarious, just that much funnier.
Personally, I think the Joker is best when his back story is ambiguous. He is more of a force of nature vs an actual person. Giving him a concrete origin makes him more human and less interesting as a villian
There's something about the Joker that really captivates you. And no this is not to romanticise his violent or psychotic behaviour, but rather to just point out that he's a character who's extremely memorable and leaves a big impression on you.
Here is my take on the character, after decades of reading comics, with a mix of psychology: In the truest sense of the word, the Joker is a traumatized sociopath. He doesnt feel pain, sadness or love - at least not in the same manner, or for the same reasons, as any other regular person. Notwithstanding, he is not, in any way, impaired in his functionality by his antisocial mental disorder. Hence why he is sometimes mistaken for a plainly sane but evil person. Just as Batman constantly seeks to avert the death of his parents by beating criminals - as surrogates for his family's murderer - the Joker is constantly trying to avert the traumatic episode that preceded his immediate downfall into crime: him being a failed comedian unable to support his family. As such, everything he does, and every plan he executes, is meant to "please the audience", by forcing his audience - his victims - to fatally laugh with him. If necessary, with resort to his trademark laughing gas. Because of his trauma, and to compensate for his early inability to make people laugh, he presents himself as a "showman", but with an inferiority complex and dillusions of grandeur. Everything he does must be funny, or at least part of a "grand and spectacular show". If someone mocks him, or points out he isn't funny, he takes it utterly serious and may outright kill that person without having a single laugh. Being singled out as "not-funny" is his weakness. Just as the Batman's main concern in life is "the mission", the Joker's priority is "his show". He doesn't operate on a "right or wrong" basis. He operates solely based on what is most useful to him, and to his "show", at any particular moment. He is the ultimate adaptationist. He always strives to behave in the way that most favours him. Opposite to Batman, Joker has adopted a "master morality". The rules abide by his will, and not the other way around. If getting caught helps him, then so be it. If being simpathetic to someone is advantageous, he's all for it. Even if killing someone in a specific manner doesn't fit his needs, or doesnt fit his sick sense of humour for that particular act, then he spares the victim. But a"bait and switch" mechanism may or may not be incorporated into his particular routine, so he may end up killing said person anyway. You never know, because he likes to "surprise his crowd". To him, Harley is a prop. An object of use, rather than an actual person. She is as useful to him as his ever-adapting "id" requires. Either as a means to distract others, as a means to relieve him of his own sexual or stressful urges, as a "partner" in his show, or simply to carry out his small bidding. To a certain extent, though, she is the most valuable of all his props. Besides appealing to his twisted but surprisingly conservative sense of sexual dominance ("every king has his queen" after all), the way she acts, talks and dresses are all signs of how powerful he is as an inspirational figure. She adheres so strictly to his creed that she adopted his whole motif and gimmicks. She is a direct personification of how successful his indoctrination skills are. As such, he must keep her around for showing this to the rest of his "followers" - even if her not yet fully tamed persona emerges occasionally, which he tries at all costs to aggressively prevent. The Joker's closest thing to a love interest is Batman. Batman is an essential piece of his show, because he gives him a narrative excuse to perform outstanding public feats of evilness. He is the only one who stimulates him into devising more complex and convoluted plans for creating chaos and mayhem. Batman helps perpetuating his show. In his twisted routine, Batman is, in classic circus themes, the "clown blanc" (rich clown) to Joker's "Auguste" (poor clown). That is why Joker believes Batman to be as insane as he is. In his mind, Batman is just a traumatized clown, a show colleague/rival, but one who insists on behaving in an unnatural, falsely bright and upstanding manner, opposite to his own chaotic, and (only in appearance) improvised "on the fly" method. His idea of love is being locked in a never-ending battle with Batman. He must keep capturing Batman, and Batman must keep foiling his schemes over and over again. Until one of them blinks and gets killed, like in a grand slapstick comedy skit. That is the ultimate joke for him. Thus mirroring the nonsense in all things. Sorry for how long this ended up being, guys.
Yes , yes , yes .How many times should I say it .Never read a comic but I am a gigantic fan of the joker and read tons about him .This is what people should read before making anything joker related, this Is so important .Thank you so much for this amazing take
Well thought out but it only really goes along with one of his origin stories. I've seen a lot of the movies n watched a lot of the cartoons and have read scattered runs of the comics through my years. I'm no authority but imho Joker is the opposite of Bats specifically because we the readers know everything about Bats including his thoughts. Joker we dont know anything. Any iteration of Bats is mostly the same with few exceptions. The Joker could literally do anything or look like whatever as long as he has white skin n green hair. I dont think we're meant to know specifics about a character based on such a chaotic psychopathy.
@@christopherray122 I respectfully disagree. Any version of the Joker not exhibiting any of these traits is not the true joker for me. For instance, heath ledger delivered a superb acting in the dark knight, no doubt on that. but his version is much closer to the villain Anarky rather than the actual Joker.
3:05 in the Golden age comics he was a murderer, it wasn't until the silver age he was turned into a harmless prankster like the Romero version because of the comic code authority
Can't judge a man for his actions, that actually like 10% of his actions. He never really had a chance to be joker. There is very little of his joker, he was a filler in that movie. So who knows.
Hold on, He never even really got to be Joker. He was Joker for like 10 minutes spread out through the entire film, he didn't even get a chance to actually prove himself.
Yes, they do. Maybe not you or other hardcore fans, but a lot of casual fans do think that the relationship between The Joker & Batman is straight up hatred.
WRONG! He was originally a murdering psychopath...but then the comic code authority was founded and put limits on what he was allowed to do. This brought it into the silver age of comics and then he was the wacky joker you were talking about. And now he’s got a mixture of both. But he started out even worse than he is usually depicted now-a-days.
The sugarcoated Joker always irritated my soul. The guy should remain depicted as a murdering psychopath, he would kill a guy if he hated his shoelaces or if he liked his shoelaces. He has little to no remorse for most people he kills or damages. Not a guy who pulls jokes and robs banks. The original Joker sounded quite silly.
@@eliasmg9144 tbf modern depictions are more extreme than the character was originally introduced as. Too extreme imo as sometimes the tendency to have him kill vast swathes of people even before a story has begun just kills any suspense or care. However, he was introduced as a serial murderer in 1940. There is also a particular nasty panel from the 1940 story "laugh town laugh" where he is committing crimes based on classic jokes. It's why did the fireman wear red suspenders? And the panel shows the silhouette of someone hung. That's pretty dark for something so early.
To be fair, the "Jack Napier" name was used in the single greatest adaptation of Batman of all time: Batman: the Animated Series. The episode when Batman was locked up in Arkham, his psychologist lists off multiple villain, then gives their real names, including referring to the Joker as Jack Napier. Sorry for nitpicking, but my OCD is super bad lately. Also that show was amazing.
Xander Lowe just watched and thought the same thing and things in the dcau tend to be adapted into the main canon Harley Quinn, and Batman Beyond not to mention in the brave and the bold the hero red hood from the alternate earth name is such as well as many others in the comics
glad im not the only one who remembers him. he was important enough to make into an action figure, but we've never seen him again.. what about bob? good movie btw
7:15 me after watching the new Joker 2019 movie: ... *wait a second that midget who Arthur Fleck spared is ACTUALLY HIS EARLIEST SIDEKICK IN THE COMICS?!?!? WTFFFFF!*
4:48 The point of jokers origin is multiple choice. There is no one single event that drives a person crazy, its MULTIPLE. DC didn't make an offical cannon origin because it make sense to have it multiple factors to drive a person. This is the time joker is supposed to be taken seriously.
Back in the Golden Age, the Joker was more of calculating killer (check his debut story). it was in the Silver Age that he became more goofy and only adopted the psychopathic persona when he returns in 1974.
The Comic Code Authority & The Batman TV show where responsible for Joker's shift to a goofy version. This version however, was not popular, and he was pulled for years (the noted 9 year hiatus).
I heard that the playing card was brought in by a ghost artist (or writer, I forget which) and that Bill Finger liked the idea of a clown-like villain but that he wasn't a fan of the way the playing card looked so he modeled the character after The Man Who Laughs. Truth be told, there are so many stories about how Joker was made and why and it is extremely hard to find the real one.
"...if I'm going to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice!" Also, while the studio is now defunct, I *strongly* recommend giving the Batman Telltale series a try. It's hands-down the best writing I've seen in any Batman game, and is on-par with the '90s animated series in terms of balancing the tone.
LongliveJeremiah 1486 but Batman mentioned it was one of joker’s aliases when he needs a disguise. In fact in the matter of family dlc joker uses that identity to get his amusement park from the owner it’s really messed up how that went down.
Jeez there are so many errors in this video. Not the least of which is stating that the Joker didn't appear in any comic between 1964 and 1973. The Joker appeared in at least one comic every year between 1964 and 1969. He made no appearances in 1970, 1971, or 1972. With the exception of 1956 the Joker has appeared in at least one comic every year since 1940. There are multiple other errors here as well.
Well... Jack Napier is wrong. Read Batman: White Knight. It’s not the main continuity but in it Joker becomes sane, that’s his name in it, and he puts his genius to use proving Batman is the real issue in Gotham
I swear they made up 99% of these. I mean it's WhatCulture. I watch these videos mostly because of how awful they are. They said in another video that in 2015 Secret Wars, Black Panther with the Infinity Gauntlet defeated God-King Doom.
Jack Napier is actually also used by the Joker himself as his name in the comic books "Batman: White Knight" where the Joker is cured for a short time from his "mental illness". This series of comic books raises so many more debates and issues about mental illness and the justification of crimes, etc. But, even if the name Jack Napier isn't the real name of the Joker because nobody knows, it is still easy to be misled.
#3 - Gaggy wasn't the only non-Harley minion. There's also Jackanapes (post-Flashpoint), Punch and Judy (The Batman, screw you that show was good), a trio of henchmen done up as mime versions of the 3 Stooges (BtAS), Bob (the Burton movie), and, my personal favorites, Bud and Lou (a pair of goons he trained to act like the comedy duo in the novel Batman: Inferno). EDIT - No mention of the fact that Joker can't even decide on whether or not he's crazy? Or maybe the fact that, when he had the power to rewrite the world in Rock of Ages, he chose to restore life to the people he and his villainous allies had killed instead? For shame.
oh my god i just realized how much we NEED a film adaptation of spider-man and batman it was the carnage and joker team-up that really sold me, man, I LOVE IT
Though he wasn't originally a psychopath when his character was first created, it is still an important distinction to make that the very original joker from the first comics did still murder people... just not graphically or with extraordinary malice, more like a gangster in make-up. This is an important distinction because many people don't believe the Joker murdered people *at all* until the more recent and darker/iconic adaptions of the character in comics and media throughout the 80's to present day. This is a misconception because of the long period of time Joker was in use in the silver age of Batman comics in the 60's/70's, the same comics that inspired the more mainstream and popular Adam West 60's Batman show which in itself depicted itself as ridiculous, over-the-top, and absurd violence beyond the realm of what is possible or believable. Despite his relative harmlessness throughout the silver age of comics and the 60's Batman show, Joker at his very origin was always a killer.
Late comment. I agree but there's one thing I differ on. He does come across as a psychopath, or at the very least not neuro-typical. In those early 40s stories. And the way other characters refer to him as a madman, a maniac etc and Batman wants to take him to a brain surgeon for a lobotomy to stop his pathological behaviour (that's in Batman issue 2, 1940). Even the way he's drawn in those early stories in certain panels makes it clear he us mean to seem deranged. Just because it's not as excessive as more modern versions does not mean that the original version is not. More people need to check out those early stories, but I get that not everyone is interested in looking back like that. Personally though, I really like how the character comes across in those stories.
At one point you stated that the Joker did not appear in comics between 1964 and 1973. At another point you stated that Gaggy Gagsworthy first appeared as the Joker's sidekick in 1966. How could both of these seemingly contradictory statements be true?
Joker's evil grin as a result of facial injury was first introduced in Batman 1989, not TDK. And it translated into comics before Batman Confidential. Joker in Gotham Noir #1 had facial scars too. That was in 2001.
Another misconception “Joker and Harley Quinn are ‘relationship goals’” Truth is Joker doesn’t give a shit about Harley at all, he abuses her verbally and physically, and Harley only stays with joker because she’s gone insane as well with Stockholm like syndrome. Harley could die and he wouldn’t care. It’s sad but maniacally badass to use a women of her looks, physics, loyalties, appeal, and athleticism to do dirty work for him.
When Suicide Squad came out, there were a ton of people who said they wanted a relationship like Harley and Joker. I'd usually direct them to the What Culture vid "The 10 Worst Things the Joker has done to Harley Quinn". It tended to shut them up. They were basing relationship goals on that one iteration of the characters.
I have never in all my years of reading comics have I heard people describe Joker and Harley as "relationship goals". Of course no one can enjoy comics anymore without sjw types making a stink out of the lives of two fictional characters.
I’m watching a lot of Batman the Animated series and holy shit the Dcau nails a mix of all the types the joker (comical villain, psychotic mastermind, and high level philoshophical intellect)
Mark Hamill really hit it out of the park with that character and cemented his status as impossible to typecast he’s played so many different characters heroes and villains all different all amazing
Minor correction to number 5: The facial scarring actually dates to the Nicholson Joker in 1989's _Batman_ movie. It's rather subtle, admittedly, with most of the permanent smile handled by a facial appliance, but it's in the movie.
The scars first appeared on The Joker in 2005 in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel #3 and then 3 years later in Joker, a graphic novel written by Brian Azzarello and illustrated by Lee Bermejo. I'm sorry to be the nerd on this one...
@@patrickbateman6421 I mean, he goes to a plastic surgeon to fix the scars from the glass that sliced him when Batman deflected the bullet. So, yeah, he actually has had scars before Ledger's portrayal.
The name "Jack Napier" (a play on the word Rapier) is one of the names assigned to the Joker during the origin story that was used, almost directly, in the 1989 film.
Nice video, one small tidbit, Jack Napier being the original persona of the Joker is also referenced a few times in BTAS as well, but since it borrowed heavily from the first film guess that kind of fits
Thank you!......I agree.....Passion actually made him stronger.....The ability to understand love made him even more dangerous....I love that....I really thought he was perfect....Each actor who has ever played that role brought thtir own gift to the character....I'm tired of seeing Jared's version underestimated....Heath, Jared, Joakim.....Super trilogy.....They all go together so well, actually....The 3 have brought this depth to the character...
I seem to remember a passing reference in batman animated series when batman is admitted to Arkham thanks to scarecrow that one of the doctors referred to joker as Jack Nyper or however you spell it
The Joker was also called Jack Napier on “Batman: The Animated Series”. There’s an episode where Gordon simply states this. It makes sense that would be the case, though, since that show took much inspiration from the Burton films. And in “Mask of the Phantasm”, they show a pre-Joker Napier and he looks pretty much exactly like Nicholson did before becoming the Joker.
Number 8 is wrong. The joker started out as homicidal and psychotic and was then toned down due to the comics code being implemented. Then he became more campy and went back to being psychotic later on.
I highly doubt that, considering every Nolan batman film is brought up in reference to Tim Burton’s Batman and Nicholson’s Joker. And also the Batman animated series. If you’ve heard of Batman, Nolan’s films are among a multitude of references in your life, and I doubt any significant number of people haven’t heard of Batman.
"There's no love lost between the two..." Ummm, either I'm getting this saying wrong or you are incorrect here. The Joker loves Batman. To the joker everything is a game ... and Batman is his best playtime-buddy.
Fun Fact: The first henchgirl that the Joker had was Queenie, the Black Queen of Spades. Her first and only appearance was in Batman Vol. 1 #5 "The Riddle of the Missing Card".
I know that the Joker's look is the result of the chemicals he fell into. His hair is actually green, his skin white and he has that crazy grin, etc. Well, the chemicals are the reason for the main Joker's look anyway.
@@jermainekngdom3154 only character that is different on different multiverses....citation needed. The three Jokers thing isn't about multiverses so far as we know, the only clue we have so far is that each of the Jokers correspond to different moments in his history with Batman and one or maybe all of them might be Vandal Savage style immortal.
@@LupineShadowOmega actually yes it is. As 1 is earth 2 version One is killing joke. Forgot the 3rd one but they are all from peevious timelines and multiverses. But I mean literally joker is a different person in different universes. Joker 1 is a ganster Joker 2 and 3 is killers Joker has officially had many real names in the multiverses. None are the same. Some of the jokers do not have the classic make up. Some do. But they all have different names. Killing joke was made with classic origin that was reference in comics after killing joke as being his official origin. Because batman was their and jason took red hood because of it.
DC Canon: Joker is near invincible when he maniacally uncontrollably laughs. The animate movies take advantage of this the most. When ever there is a crash or an explosion and he hysterically laughs just before all hell breaks loose, he is near invincible and that’s why he survives those situations...
His first few appearances in the 40s he WAS a cold blooded killer though. He robbed a bunch of rich guys and killed each of them with his joker toxin in his first book. Though the motif was more 'playing card' and less 'clown' he was still very homicidal until the comics code made him and all the other recurring villains have to be goofy or risk getting the book banned.
In the killing joke he states that sometimes he remembers his past one way sometimes another an well if I'm going to have a past I'd prefer it to be multiple choice. But he also states that when life takes you down a train of thought were the screaming is simply unavoidable you just open the door step thru an shut it because along with madness we have no contractual obligation to rationality
“Even DC doesn’t know the jokers Origin” It’s not that they don’t know, it’s that there are several “Origins” and picking any single Origin will piss off somebody, so they’ll just be Lazy and pick “Mystery” Origin. Which sadly just isn’t satisfying after this many years.
@@142doddy Mystery is great and can be a completely satisfying writing trope or tool but after nearly 75 years of continuous publication, it's lazy. For Mystery to work their needs to be an answer to hide in the first place Unless of course, you are dealing with Cosmic horror or a select few other cases
1989s batman movie is the best out of them all + a old teacher who used to teach at my school was the anchor women who died as well as a well known comedian in real life.
I figured out Joker, he isnt psychotic, isnt a sociopath. He's very smart and keen and just does it without reason yes but isnt bc he is psychotic. He knows he is a comic book character
@@alis49281 i think it was some time after the captain america/hydra thing. I don't remember exactly, so if anyone knows, please correct me. Batman and the League went somewhere to a throne that could answer any question and Batman asked who the Joker is, later in the Batcave, Batman reveals to Green Lantern that there are three Jokers and shows three images of what he thought were the three jokers, check out some videos about it cause i remember very little of this.
My personal theory for the joker is that he’s batman from the future who’s become so insane due to the fact that he has split personalities, billionaire and vigilante and the stress and boredom of his life led him to insanity. Because of this he timetravels to the past version of himself in order to make his own life more fun which is one of the reasons why he never tries to kill batman. It’s also one of the reasons why batman always seems to have an emotional attachment with him unintentionally.
Joker having multiple Origin stories fits the character, as if you knew precisely what his origin was then you could better analyze why he is how he is. With all the conjecture however it makes his origin shrouded and his behavior feels more unpredictable because of it.
i, a marvel fanboy, am a joker genius? because some video full of simplistic facts about the most famous comic book villain of all time thinks they arent well known? this is definitely a video to make non comic readers feel like true comic geeks... for shame
My favorite part of the joker is that he doesnt have a backstory. Most people accept the "I was forced to rob the mill I worked at and Batman thought I was a criminal and knocked me into the chemicals" as his backstory and when I tried to entertain that idea I felt he lost most of his charm. He is so psychotic that having the mystery of no clear backstory fits his character too much to take it away
"If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice"
Origen story not past just saying
Multiple origin stories would be a multiple choice past. None of his origins ever tell us that’s the exact way he became The Joker and they all could be falsely told from The Joker’s point of view.
I really found the one where Thomas Wayne could have had an affair with the coworker and spawned the Joker making he and Bruce half Brothers.
man three jokers let's that make sense.
So would I dude
Spoiler: I feel like the dwarf in the Joker movie is a reference to gagsworthy
Joe Cobb yooooooo
Wanker
I was literally thinking the same thing when I was watching it
how is that a spoiler?????
and he has a similar name ..Garry
I dont know if this is a COMMON misconception but the false thought seems to be popular with people I know, that the joker is Harley's little emo lover boy. He isn't. He is a manipulative, abusive sociopath who used her to escape Arkham and, on a whim, let her follow him around and help him out.
I dunno, he also has shown a level of fixation on her as well. He is absolutely the user and abuser in this scenario, but that scene from suicide squad where she jumps into the vat and he jumps after her is a pretty solid demonstration of how he has acted towards her over the course of her introduction in the animated series on forward. As is his abandoning her underwater for batman to save during a chase scene. He isnt precisely devoted to her, but he cant bring himself to take her out or just walk away forever either. Anyone who thinks harley and joker are relationship goals though, needs serious psychiatric help.
@@chrishubbard64 I'd say that has less to do with Harley and more to do with Joker himself. He's a freaking narcissist, Harley is walking proof of how good he is at what he does, manipulating people. This makes her a nice trophy on his wall or a mirror to look at.
He leaves her for long periods and doesn't care, but let her have some agency and leave him and he'd hound her to the ends of the earth. Something that Ivy always points out to Harley. Its always about him and she's no different. Heck, if we're being honest, even Batman is no different. Batman just exists in Joker's mind to be his straight man and thus make all of the things he does that he finds hilarious, just that much funnier.
@@chrishubbard64 that's kinda cuz suicide squad messed up the joker
*He doesn’t love her he lusts for her because she’s young and sexy, he knows she loves him and will do anything for him so he uses her*
@@LupineShadowOmega Holy shit this is the deepest analysis I have ever read for the Joker's character. I love that.
So the guy who made the book that inspired the joker is called hugo
How strange
Ah I get it
Genius
More specifically, Victor Hugo. I have to wonder if that inspired Zsasz and Freeze
"After tonight I'll be a hero, just like you, Baaaatttmaaann"
I see what you did there 😒
Personally, I think the Joker is best when his back story is ambiguous. He is more of a force of nature vs an actual person. Giving him a concrete origin makes him more human and less interesting as a villian
Honestly, I thought Joker real origin was he was just some children party clown and finally had enough of their shit.
@@N2Deep00 That's amazing. Basically he's John Wayne Gacy
@@Crazelord91 Beside raping boys
@@N2Deep00 I duno. The Joker keeps getting darker and darker
@@Crazelord91 Joker: Batman second Robin looks mighty attractive today.
I hate everyone thinking he loves Harley Quinn. That is not a good relationship, he doesn't love anything.
True...he actually abuses her
Thank Suicide Squad for making more people believe in this (and i thought that movie couldn't get any worse)
@@LimaHef One of the many reasons I didn't like about Suicide Squad.
ctually there is one thing Joker loves...Batman.
He loves batman
There's something about the Joker that really captivates you. And no this is not to romanticise his violent or psychotic behaviour, but rather to just point out that he's a character who's extremely memorable and leaves a big impression on you.
Here is my take on the character, after decades of reading comics, with a mix of psychology:
In the truest sense of the word, the Joker is a traumatized sociopath. He doesnt feel pain, sadness or love - at least not in the same manner, or for the same reasons, as any other regular person. Notwithstanding, he is not, in any way, impaired in his functionality by his antisocial mental disorder. Hence why he is sometimes mistaken for a plainly sane but evil person.
Just as Batman constantly seeks to avert the death of his parents by beating criminals - as surrogates for his family's murderer - the Joker is constantly trying to avert the traumatic episode that preceded his immediate downfall into crime: him being a failed comedian unable to support his family.
As such, everything he does, and every plan he executes, is meant to "please the audience", by forcing his audience - his victims - to fatally laugh with him. If necessary, with resort to his trademark laughing gas.
Because of his trauma, and to compensate for his early inability to make people laugh, he presents himself as a "showman", but with an inferiority complex and dillusions of grandeur. Everything he does must be funny, or at least part of a "grand and spectacular show". If someone mocks him, or points out he isn't funny, he takes it utterly serious and may outright kill that person without having a single laugh. Being singled out as "not-funny" is his weakness.
Just as the Batman's main concern in life is "the mission", the Joker's priority is "his show".
He doesn't operate on a "right or wrong" basis. He operates solely based on what is most useful to him, and to his "show", at any particular moment. He is the ultimate adaptationist. He always strives to behave in the way that most favours him.
Opposite to Batman, Joker has adopted a "master morality". The rules abide by his will, and not the other way around.
If getting caught helps him, then so be it. If being simpathetic to someone is advantageous, he's all for it. Even if killing someone in a specific manner doesn't fit his needs, or doesnt fit his sick sense of humour for that particular act, then he spares the victim.
But a"bait and switch" mechanism may or may not be incorporated into his particular routine, so he may end up killing said person anyway. You never know, because he likes to "surprise his crowd".
To him, Harley is a prop. An object of use, rather than an actual person. She is as useful to him as his ever-adapting "id" requires. Either as a means to distract others, as a means to relieve him of his own sexual or stressful urges, as a "partner" in his show, or simply to carry out his small bidding.
To a certain extent, though, she is the most valuable of all his props. Besides appealing to his twisted but surprisingly conservative sense of sexual dominance ("every king has his queen" after all), the way she acts, talks and dresses are all signs of how powerful he is as an inspirational figure. She adheres so strictly to his creed that she adopted his whole motif and gimmicks. She is a direct personification of how successful his indoctrination skills are. As such, he must keep her around for showing this to the rest of his "followers" - even if her not yet fully tamed persona emerges occasionally, which he tries at all costs to aggressively prevent.
The Joker's closest thing to a love interest is Batman. Batman is an essential piece of his show, because he gives him a narrative excuse to perform outstanding public feats of evilness. He is the only one who stimulates him into devising more complex and convoluted plans for creating chaos and mayhem. Batman helps perpetuating his show.
In his twisted routine, Batman is, in classic circus themes, the "clown blanc" (rich clown) to Joker's "Auguste" (poor clown). That is why Joker believes Batman to be as insane as he is. In his mind, Batman is just a traumatized clown, a show colleague/rival, but one who insists on behaving in an unnatural, falsely bright and upstanding manner, opposite to his own chaotic, and (only in appearance) improvised "on the fly" method.
His idea of love is being locked in a never-ending battle with Batman. He must keep capturing Batman, and Batman must keep foiling his schemes over and over again. Until one of them blinks and gets killed, like in a grand slapstick comedy skit. That is the ultimate joke for him. Thus mirroring the nonsense in all things.
Sorry for how long this ended up being, guys.
That makes so much sense. Thankyou
Yes , yes , yes .How many times should I say it .Never read a comic but I am a gigantic fan of the joker and read tons about him .This is what people should read before making anything joker related, this Is so important .Thank you so much for this amazing take
Well thought out but it only really goes along with one of his origin stories. I've seen a lot of the movies n watched a lot of the cartoons and have read scattered runs of the comics through my years. I'm no authority but imho Joker is the opposite of Bats specifically because we the readers know everything about Bats including his thoughts. Joker we dont know anything. Any iteration of Bats is mostly the same with few exceptions. The Joker could literally do anything or look like whatever as long as he has white skin n green hair. I dont think we're meant to know specifics about a character based on such a chaotic psychopathy.
@@christopherray122 I respectfully disagree. Any version of the Joker not exhibiting any of these traits is not the true joker for me. For instance, heath ledger delivered a superb acting in the dark knight, no doubt on that. but his version is much closer to the villain Anarky rather than the actual Joker.
Someone gives this man a beer. He deserves it.
3:05 in the Golden age comics he was a murderer, it wasn't until the silver age he was turned into a harmless prankster like the Romero version because of the comic code authority
"[He] is probably one of the most iconic villains of all time."
No, the Joker is definitely one of the most iconic villains. Don't be so wishy-washy.
Biggest misconception: when someone thinks that Jared Leto was a good joker
Totally agree
Can't judge a man for his actions, that actually like 10% of his actions. He never really had a chance to be joker. There is very little of his joker, he was a filler in that movie. So who knows.
Hold on, He never even really got to be Joker. He was Joker for like 10 minutes spread out through the entire film, he didn't even get a chance to actually prove himself.
@mikeboshi .....I'd like to see you do better with the same amount of time Jared had
I agree, especially due to the reason that jared leto had removed footage due to the people who worked on the movie not liking them enough.
No one thinks the Joker hates Batman...
Yes, they do. Maybe not you or other hardcore fans, but a lot of casual fans do think that the relationship between The Joker & Batman is straight up hatred.
@@communityEsc Maybe I'm wrong. I've never heard that and espcially after The Dark Knight film that overtly explains their Yin Yang dynamic
@@Crazelord91 Really the vids should be like "10 things casual fans get wrong about X".
@@M1ckTheMan I don't think even casuals generally think this though
@@Crazelord91 Trust me, some do.
Of course Jack Napier is an alias, it's quite literally the word Jackanape a old term for mischievous child.
WRONG! He was originally a murdering psychopath...but then the comic code authority was founded and put limits on what he was allowed to do. This brought it into the silver age of comics and then he was the wacky joker you were talking about.
And now he’s got a mixture of both.
But he started out even worse than he is usually depicted now-a-days.
How could you get any worse than that?
The sugarcoated Joker always irritated my soul. The guy should remain depicted as a murdering psychopath, he would kill a guy if he hated his shoelaces or if he liked his shoelaces. He has little to no remorse for most people he kills or damages. Not a guy who pulls jokes and robs banks. The original Joker sounded quite silly.
@@eliasmg9144 tbf modern depictions are more extreme than the character was originally introduced as. Too extreme imo as sometimes the tendency to have him kill vast swathes of people even before a story has begun just kills any suspense or care. However, he was introduced as a serial murderer in 1940. There is also a particular nasty panel from the 1940 story "laugh town laugh" where he is committing crimes based on classic jokes. It's why did the fireman wear red suspenders? And the panel shows the silhouette of someone hung. That's pretty dark for something so early.
To be fair, the "Jack Napier" name was used in the single greatest adaptation of Batman of all time: Batman: the Animated Series.
The episode when Batman was locked up in Arkham, his psychologist lists off multiple villain, then gives their real names, including referring to the Joker as Jack Napier.
Sorry for nitpicking, but my OCD is super bad lately.
Also that show was amazing.
Xander Lowe just watched and thought the same thing and things in the dcau tend to be adapted into the main canon Harley Quinn, and Batman Beyond not to mention in the brave and the bold the hero red hood from the alternate earth name is such as well as many others in the comics
It's not, just one of his aliases.
It's also used in the Batman: White Knight
Yeah the Kids WB seasons reconned that in the mad love episode where joker has Jack Naiper and Other joker comic alias written on a piece of paper.
What about white knight
No Bob? Bob was Joker's number one guy?
glad im not the only one who remembers him. he was important enough to make into an action figure, but we've never seen him again.. what about bob? good movie btw
No one does justice to Bob anymore. There better be a Bob in Phoenix's Joker movie
Myyyyy number onnnnnne guyyyyyyyyyyy
Bob, gun!
Wizard4169 poo. You ninja'd me on that. Hats off to you, ya miserable bastard.
Wait a minute. Is there anyway Gary the midget in the Joker movie is Gagsworthy?
Brave Heart yes sir
I hope so
There are three Jokers according to the Mobius chair
thats one way
7:15 me after watching the new Joker 2019 movie: ... *wait a second that midget who Arthur Fleck spared is ACTUALLY HIS EARLIEST SIDEKICK IN THE COMICS?!?!? WTFFFFF!*
Shahid Ullah that’s what I thought to!!
For the last time..NO!!! Joaquin said repeatedly he strayed from comics! Gags IS from a COMIC
BrokenScrap Phoneguy omfg... he said the way he is ACTING is gonna stay away from the jokers nature in the comics. Dumb guy
Did you guys not know?
4:48
The point of jokers origin is multiple choice. There is no one single event that drives a person crazy, its MULTIPLE. DC didn't make an offical cannon origin because it make sense to have it multiple factors to drive a person. This is the time joker is supposed to be taken seriously.
Back in the Golden Age, the Joker was more of calculating killer (check his debut story). it was in the Silver Age that he became more goofy and only adopted the psychopathic persona when he returns in 1974.
The Comic Code Authority & The Batman TV show where responsible for Joker's shift to a goofy version. This version however, was not popular, and he was pulled for years (the noted 9 year hiatus).
Even then, Golden Age was still more Mob Boss than crazy man.
Golden Age Joker wasn't already a serial killer?
And The Killing Joke wasn't supposed to be canon but it became too popular to ignore.
Nope it was meant to be Canon. Even Batgirls comic issues had her retired before the killing joke was published.
HulK TopF No it wasn’t, it was supposed to be a standalone story that evolved into becoming canon.
@@MikeHawk04 Nerdsync actually made a few videos on this topic. DC always intended on it to be canon. ua-cam.com/video/eMQqgFmbkus/v-deo.html
Joker is probably more sane than Batman,
Joker also is constantly 2 steps ahead
The Greatest comic book villian of all time.
Doom is better imo.
And he doesn't need powers or some supernatural backstory.
He’s good but he’s getting overused wayyyy to much. Dc needs to give the other characters more of chance and not giving all the spotlight to joker
I have to admit, I knew most of this stuff. But I am pretty mad about myself and kinda about DC for nearly forgetting about Gaggy,
I heard that the playing card was brought in by a ghost artist (or writer, I forget which) and that Bill Finger liked the idea of a clown-like villain but that he wasn't a fan of the way the playing card looked so he modeled the character after The Man Who Laughs. Truth be told, there are so many stories about how Joker was made and why and it is extremely hard to find the real one.
"...if I'm going to have a past, I'd prefer it to be multiple choice!"
Also, while the studio is now defunct, I *strongly* recommend giving the Batman Telltale series a try. It's hands-down the best writing I've seen in any Batman game, and is on-par with the '90s animated series in terms of balancing the tone.
I really liked how he and "Bruce" start off as allies
1. He’s a gamer
I wonder if he plays the Arkham series...
Gamers rise up
The Joker names we know.
· Arkham Games: Jack White.
· Gotham: Jeremiah Valeska
· Batman 1989: Jack Napier
Joker 2019: Arthur Fleck
When did they mention his name in Arkham?
It was mentioned in Arkham Asylum or Arkham City. The name was mentioned in a mission while Batman and Alfred were talking about The Joker.
LongliveJeremiah 1486 but Batman mentioned it was one of joker’s aliases when he needs a disguise. In fact in the matter of family dlc joker uses that identity to get his amusement park from the owner it’s really messed up how that went down.
Jeez there are so many errors in this video.
Not the least of which is stating that the Joker didn't appear in any comic between 1964 and 1973.
The Joker appeared in at least one comic every year between 1964 and 1969. He made no appearances in 1970, 1971, or 1972.
With the exception of 1956 the Joker has appeared in at least one comic every year since 1940.
There are multiple other errors here as well.
After stating his last appearance was 1964, the MORON himself says ,seconds later., his next appearance was 1966. Get your F****** facts straight.
I knew all of this, but I’m a huge geek when it comes to Joker and Batman. But yeah, most people don’t know these things.
"The scars are only from the 2008 film"
Jack Nichoson: Am I a joke to you?
Um... people don't know this stuff? Seriously?
Yeah, this is a super casual-level list
Well... Jack Napier is wrong. Read Batman: White Knight. It’s not the main continuity but in it Joker becomes sane, that’s his name in it, and he puts his genius to use proving Batman is the real issue in Gotham
I swear they made up 99% of these.
I mean it's WhatCulture. I watch these videos mostly because of how awful they are. They said in another video that in 2015 Secret Wars, Black Panther with the Infinity Gauntlet defeated God-King Doom.
those are people who dont read comics
Starman Jay
Yeah. Not everyone’s a fucking nerd like you.
Jack Napier is actually also used by the Joker himself as his name in the comic books "Batman: White Knight" where the Joker is cured for a short time from his "mental illness". This series of comic books raises so many more debates and issues about mental illness and the justification of crimes, etc. But, even if the name Jack Napier isn't the real name of the Joker because nobody knows, it is still easy to be misled.
#3 - Gaggy wasn't the only non-Harley minion. There's also Jackanapes (post-Flashpoint), Punch and Judy (The Batman, screw you that show was good), a trio of henchmen done up as mime versions of the 3 Stooges (BtAS), Bob (the Burton movie), and, my personal favorites, Bud and Lou (a pair of goons he trained to act like the comedy duo in the novel Batman: Inferno).
EDIT - No mention of the fact that Joker can't even decide on whether or not he's crazy? Or maybe the fact that, when he had the power to rewrite the world in Rock of Ages, he chose to restore life to the people he and his villainous allies had killed instead? For shame.
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oh my god i just realized how much we NEED a film adaptation of spider-man and batman
it was the carnage and joker team-up that really sold me, man, I LOVE IT
One more common misconception: "The Joker is supposed to be funny." No he´s not, he only thinks he is.
he actually is lol
i like the joker best when he is funny and evil at the same time
DichterDenkerChaoten Mark hamill cracks me up, specifically BTAS
Whatever his origin is, the new movie with Joaquin Phoenix should be good.
It is good.
rhomotor fucking amazing
It's not. It's essentially a knockoff of Taxi Driver
Though he wasn't originally a psychopath when his character was first created, it is still an important distinction to make that the very original joker from the first comics did still murder people... just not graphically or with extraordinary malice, more like a gangster in make-up.
This is an important distinction because many people don't believe the Joker murdered people *at all* until the more recent and darker/iconic adaptions of the character in comics and media throughout the 80's to present day. This is a misconception because of the long period of time Joker was in use in the silver age of Batman comics in the 60's/70's, the same comics that inspired the more mainstream and popular Adam West 60's Batman show which in itself depicted itself as ridiculous, over-the-top, and absurd violence beyond the realm of what is possible or believable.
Despite his relative harmlessness throughout the silver age of comics and the 60's Batman show, Joker at his very origin was always a killer.
Late comment. I agree but there's one thing I differ on. He does come across as a psychopath, or at the very least not neuro-typical. In those early 40s stories. And the way other characters refer to him as a madman, a maniac etc and Batman wants to take him to a brain surgeon for a lobotomy to stop his pathological behaviour (that's in Batman issue 2, 1940). Even the way he's drawn in those early stories in certain panels makes it clear he us mean to seem deranged. Just because it's not as excessive as more modern versions does not mean that the original version is not. More people need to check out those early stories, but I get that not everyone is interested in looking back like that. Personally though, I really like how the character comes across in those stories.
U forgot the fact that people think that he loves Harley hold on let me get a sorwdfish and push the person I love out a window with it
Jack Napier is also used in Batman: White Knight by Sean Murphy ;)
At one point you stated that the Joker did not appear in comics between 1964 and 1973. At another point you stated that Gaggy Gagsworthy first appeared as the Joker's sidekick in 1966. How could both of these seemingly contradictory statements be true?
He probably misread or misquoted the date it was probably 76 when the character first appeared
I think it might be because they really didn’t do much research here
Matt Wood it seemed like much of this video was rather spot on
3:43 Actually, it wasn't literally just makeup. For most of his history his skin and hair were dyed.
Joker's evil grin as a result of facial injury was first introduced in Batman 1989, not TDK. And it translated into comics before Batman Confidential. Joker in Gotham Noir #1 had facial scars too. That was in 2001.
Actually you're wrong. Joker's Mugsot from Batman the Animated series also says Jack Napier
Actually later episodes confirmed it to be an alias and the episode what had The Creeper confirmed Joker's real name is unknown.
Burtons movie and the animated series had some of the same writers and were produced in tandum..that's why some of the names and music are the same
A.Fleck
Mallie G Well that was an alias, but the White Knight version of Joker’s name is Jack Napier
dc said that he has no real name. they used that cause its the most famous
Another misconception “Joker and Harley Quinn are ‘relationship goals’”
Truth is Joker doesn’t give a shit about Harley at all, he abuses her verbally and physically, and Harley only stays with joker because she’s gone insane as well with Stockholm like syndrome. Harley could die and he wouldn’t care. It’s sad but maniacally badass to use a women of her looks, physics, loyalties, appeal, and athleticism to do dirty work for him.
mhm :3
When Suicide Squad came out, there were a ton of people who said they wanted a relationship like Harley and Joker. I'd usually direct them to the What Culture vid "The 10 Worst Things the Joker has done to Harley Quinn". It tended to shut them up. They were basing relationship goals on that one iteration of the characters.
I have never in all my years of reading comics have I heard people describe Joker and Harley as "relationship goals". Of course no one can enjoy comics anymore without sjw types making a stink out of the lives of two fictional characters.
"Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another! If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice." - The Joker
In the episode of BTAS Dreams in Darkness, a Psychiatrist says Joker’s name was Jack Napier. I know because it’s one of my favorite episodes.
"The Further Adventures of the Joker" amazing book.
I bet Jokers Real Name is Joe Cur
GentlemanSpider I’m pretty sure in a comic it was spelled Joe Kerr, idk which one but I remember that
Joe curr there's two rs in that name
@@brentbatch6526 That was the alias that he used a few times in the comics.
Nah, I bet it's Jack Cur, and he hates how close it is to perfect. But that's the joke.
Its actually Joe King. But Joking is a terrible bad guy name, so Joker it is.
I’m watching a lot of Batman the Animated series and holy shit the Dcau nails a mix of all the types the joker (comical villain, psychotic mastermind, and high level philoshophical intellect)
Mark Hamill really hit it out of the park with that character and cemented his status as impossible to typecast he’s played so many different characters heroes and villains all different all amazing
Minor correction to number 5: The facial scarring actually dates to the Nicholson Joker in 1989's _Batman_ movie. It's rather subtle, admittedly, with most of the permanent smile handled by a facial appliance, but it's in the movie.
The scars were introduced in 1989 with Jack Nicholson as the Joker. Make sure you fix that.
Jack Napier was also used in "white knight" where the joker goes sane and becomes Gotham's savior. Awesome read
The scars first appeared on The Joker in 2005 in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel #3 and then 3 years later in Joker, a graphic novel written by Brian Azzarello and illustrated by Lee Bermejo. I'm sorry to be the nerd on this one...
Wrong. Jack Nicholson Joker had scars in the 89 movie
@@cuachogaidh What!? You're high if you really think that! Go black and watch Batman 89. You are completely wrong about that, mate.
Botch316 You are right. They reference the Joker graphic novel all over the video. I'm really surprised they don't even talk about it.
@@patrickbateman6421 I mean, he goes to a plastic surgeon to fix the scars from the glass that sliced him when Batman deflected the bullet. So, yeah, he actually has had scars before Ledger's portrayal.
Why is your profile of a fallen naked old man? Irrelevant, but peeked my curiosity
Joker was mentioned as jack napier in Batman TAS as well,in the episode where batman starts hallucinating on scarecrow's gas and is in arkham asylum
My head: #1 He has an origin
Reality: #1 He was based off of playing card. He was actually inspired by The Man Who Laughs.
Me: oh...
The name "Jack Napier" (a play on the word Rapier) is one of the names assigned to the Joker during the origin story that was used, almost directly, in the 1989 film.
joaquin phoenix scares me now😣
Don’t worry.....you will get what FIfk deserve!!!!
Nice video, one small tidbit, Jack Napier being the original persona of the Joker is also referenced a few times in BTAS as well, but since it borrowed heavily from the first film guess that kind of fits
Common misconception -
Jared Leto played the Joker well.
Nobody thinks that except Jared Leto.
I think that for what he was given he did well, just wasn’t amazing
Thank you!......I agree.....Passion actually made him stronger.....The ability to understand love made him even more dangerous....I love that....I really thought he was perfect....Each actor who has ever played that role brought thtir own gift to the character....I'm tired of seeing Jared's version underestimated....Heath, Jared, Joakim.....Super trilogy.....They all go together so well, actually....The 3 have brought this depth to the character...
@@breebryant4037 No bro. It's shit
Agree 🙋♀️
I seem to remember a passing reference in batman animated series when batman is admitted to Arkham thanks to scarecrow that one of the doctors referred to joker as Jack Nyper or however you spell it
Jack Napier Joker had scars on his cheeks in Batman 89 (from a bullet)
1 thing you got wrong about Joker in this video.
The Joker was also called Jack Napier on “Batman: The Animated Series”. There’s an episode where Gordon simply states this. It makes sense that would be the case, though, since that show took much inspiration from the Burton films. And in “Mask of the Phantasm”, they show a pre-Joker Napier and he looks pretty much exactly like Nicholson did before becoming the Joker.
Number 8 is wrong. The joker started out as homicidal and psychotic and was then toned down due to the comics code being implemented. Then he became more campy and went back to being psychotic later on.
He had scars in the '89 Batman film, from a deflected bullet before his fall into chemicals, they were given as the reason for his distorted smile
Who the hell EVER thought the scars were always part of his character? No one
K Kundera A lot of mainstream fans come from the Nolan films and a lot of people assumed the scars were a part of his character.
I highly doubt that, considering every Nolan batman film is brought up in reference to Tim Burton’s Batman and Nicholson’s Joker. And also the Batman animated series. If you’ve heard of Batman, Nolan’s films are among a multitude of references in your life, and I doubt any significant number of people haven’t heard of Batman.
Jack Napier's name was referenced in Batman: The Animated Series, specifically in the episode "Dreams In Darkness"
Who the hell doesn't know any of this? 😂😂
Normies
"There's no love lost between the two..." Ummm, either I'm getting this saying wrong or you are incorrect here. The Joker loves Batman.
To the joker everything is a game ... and Batman is his best playtime-buddy.
It's obsession but not love. Love is very different
Maybe that small sidekick will return, since the new Joker movie had a small guy in it, that's the Joker liked.
Smart observation
these aren’t misconceptions. i’ve never heard anyone be like “oh yeah the joker was always meant to a major villian”
I knew all of it. Can I get a trophy now?
Fun Fact: The first henchgirl that the Joker had was Queenie, the Black Queen of Spades. Her first and only appearance was in Batman Vol. 1 #5 "The Riddle of the Missing Card".
I know that the Joker's look is the result of the chemicals he fell into. His hair is actually green, his skin white and he has that crazy grin, etc. Well, the chemicals are the reason for the main Joker's look anyway.
Yes earth prime has a origin. This list neglects that their is 3 joker. Joker is the only character who is different on different multiverses
@@jermainekngdom3154 only character that is different on different multiverses....citation needed. The three Jokers thing isn't about multiverses so far as we know, the only clue we have so far is that each of the Jokers correspond to different moments in his history with Batman and one or maybe all of them might be Vandal Savage style immortal.
@@LupineShadowOmega actually yes it is.
As 1 is earth 2 version
One is killing joke.
Forgot the 3rd one but they are all from peevious timelines and multiverses.
But I mean literally joker is a different person in different universes.
Joker 1 is a ganster
Joker 2 and 3 is killers
Joker has officially had many real names in the multiverses. None are the same. Some of the jokers do not have the classic make up. Some do. But they all have different names.
Killing joke was made with classic origin that was reference in comics after killing joke as being his official origin. Because batman was their and jason took red hood because of it.
@@LupineShadowOmega correction: the third joker is silver joker who beat jason todd to death.
So its gold, silver, bronze/modern.
DC Canon:
Joker is near invincible when he maniacally uncontrollably laughs.
The animate movies take advantage of this the most.
When ever there is a crash or an explosion and he hysterically laughs just before all hell breaks loose, he is near invincible and that’s why he survives those situations...
I already knew all of these.
I always thought that he had some kind of back story but thanks to you and your knowledge I know he's a mystery to the readers and the creators
Hi there. If there is one thing I want, it's more joker on whatculture.com
1:18 - And does anyone know why Batman killed people in his earlier days? *The Shadow knows....*
We are all aware of this like deadpool
His first few appearances in the 40s he WAS a cold blooded killer though. He robbed a bunch of rich guys and killed each of them with his joker toxin in his first book. Though the motif was more 'playing card' and less 'clown' he was still very homicidal until the comics code made him and all the other recurring villains have to be goofy or risk getting the book banned.
This is basically a normie list
Lmao
Gagsworthy surprised me tbh
In the killing joke he states that sometimes he remembers his past one way sometimes another an well if I'm going to have a past I'd prefer it to be multiple choice. But he also states that when life takes you down a train of thought were the screaming is simply unavoidable you just open the door step thru an shut it because along with madness we have no contractual obligation to rationality
“Even DC doesn’t know the jokers Origin”
It’s not that they don’t know, it’s that there are several “Origins” and picking any single Origin will piss off somebody, so they’ll just be Lazy and pick “Mystery” Origin.
Which sadly just isn’t satisfying after this many years.
Don’t forget that there’s now three different Jokers
zaczane
It actually is satisfying. Keeps the mystery going.
@@steampunkfox4932 meh who cares about that 3 jokers bullshit
Not every one needs validation in the form of definitiveness. A little mystery is good.
@@142doddy Mystery is great and can be a completely satisfying writing trope or tool but after nearly 75 years of continuous publication, it's lazy.
For Mystery to work their needs to be an answer to hide in the first place Unless of course, you are dealing with Cosmic horror or a select few other cases
1989s batman movie is the best out of them all + a old teacher who used to teach at my school was the anchor women who died as well as a well known comedian in real life.
Nice
I figured out Joker, he isnt psychotic, isnt a sociopath. He's very smart and keen and just does it without reason yes but isnt bc he is psychotic. He knows he is a comic book character
I think the true answer to Joker's origin is that there is more than one joker - all origins can be true.
Is that three Jokers thing still going on?
Well there better be more than one Harley Quinn then... for non-sexual reasons I swear ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@LimaHef Is that a thing? I haven't heard about it, but it sounds crazy.
@@alis49281 i think it was some time after the captain america/hydra thing. I don't remember exactly, so if anyone knows, please correct me. Batman and the League went somewhere to a throne that could answer any question and Batman asked who the Joker is, later in the Batcave, Batman reveals to Green Lantern that there are three Jokers and shows three images of what he thought were the three jokers, check out some videos about it cause i remember very little of this.
@@LimaHef Yes, I think they planned to reveal it on Doomsday Clock or something. Besides that, you're pretty much right about everything.
My all time fave character/villain. He’s so….eccentric, sublimely enigmatic. Definitely one of the greatest villains of all time hands down.
I absolutely love the Joker. I know just about everything about him.
I knew pretty much all of this and it was fun to watch a video on it keep up the great work
50 view club, woo!
My personal theory for the joker is that he’s batman from the future who’s become so insane due to the fact that he has split personalities, billionaire and vigilante and the stress and boredom of his life led him to insanity. Because of this he timetravels to the past version of himself in order to make his own life more fun which is one of the reasons why he never tries to kill batman. It’s also one of the reasons why batman always seems to have an emotional attachment with him unintentionally.
Eighth!
6:22 this is the jokers best appearance, my mind cannot be changed.
First like first comment
Joker having multiple Origin stories fits the character, as if you knew precisely what his origin was then you could better analyze why he is how he is. With all the conjecture however it makes his origin shrouded and his behavior feels more unpredictable because of it.
i, a marvel fanboy, am a joker genius? because some video full of simplistic facts about the most famous comic book villain of all time thinks they arent well known? this is definitely a video to make non comic readers feel like true comic geeks... for shame
Or maybe it's because tons of people actually get these things wrong about the Joker.
It's almost as if that should be the title of the video.
My favorite part of the joker is that he doesnt have a backstory. Most people accept the "I was forced to rob the mill I worked at and Batman thought I was a criminal and knocked me into the chemicals" as his backstory and when I tried to entertain that idea I felt he lost most of his charm. He is so psychotic that having the mystery of no clear backstory fits his character too much to take it away