Metal Twitter Beef That's Worth Talking About (generic VS innovation)
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- Omerta called out Windwaker for the use of "Hyperviolence". It created a conversation on AI art and the need for innovation in a oversaturated metalcore scene. Thank you for watching. Subscribe for more honest music reaction / reviews and to discover new music.
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That tweet ironically seems something ChatGPT pulled out its ass
I think Omerta's statement is valid, but they didn't have to be a dick to another band to make their point and it makes them look worse for doing so. I enjoy a wide variety of music, stuff that's difficult and challenging, but I also enjoy a good bop that just makes me want to vibe.
Why go after windwaker though? They're making lots of innovative music as well. That's the wrong band to single out.
I know right?! Like for one example the new song 'The Wall' sounded nothing like I'd ever heard in my life.
I genuinely think they're mad another band used "their" album title and it evolved into this whole thing. Pair that with the fact their newest single sounds stylistically similar to a lot of Windwaker's heavier stuff and it makes the whole rant come off as salty.
If it's between generic borecore and experimental garbage, I'll pick the experimental garbage over the generic borecore any day of the week and twice on Sunday. At least those bands tried to be original instead of being copycats.
So by your definition, you listen to If a God Can Bleed by Parkway Drive lol
@@MigIgg That's not experimental, that's just garbage
I think they owe Windwalker's an apology
The best type of music is just the music you enjoy listening to. If that's heavy experimental that's fine, if it's radio rock that's fine too. People get that gatekeepy superiority complex are the issue. It honestly kinda rubs me the wrong way they went about their opinion. While the sentiment is pretty straightforward, bashing a single band or people's preferences on music taste just seems a bit immature to me.
I absolutely LOVE Windwaker so this post feels like a big middle finger to the music I love. There was no need for Omertà to lash out like that. While the clip from the single you posted sounds cool, I really have no desire to go check out more after their post
I definitely think that it's important to have "gateway music" for any and every genre - while the bands that make this kind of music might not necessarily evolve or get as innovative as some of the more explosive and experimental underground acts, having people turn heads towards something that catches their ear and makes them curious while also providing a familiar or comfortable sound is a big deal and allows for the more interesting stuff to have a chance at exposure and further success. I do think that there's a number of people who don't dig deeper though, and that's a shame - but that's partly where channels like this come in handy, because people like you build a community and then expose more interesting acts. For example - Prior to this video I didn't know who Omerta was at all, but now I'm definitely interested in checking out their works.
Insightful video without being overtly biased or bashing, good stuff.
this just makes me want to write an album called "Hyperlove" and have it be a bunch of acoustic folk songs
I used to listen to bands like Metallica and Linkin Park a lot, but now I like to be "challenged" as well. I tend to listen to songs that have a strong influence from other genres or songs with a strong lyrical impact. Even though I don't listen to the same stuff as I did a few years ago I can respect the bands that go for the "easier" or "stale" songs, and I can enjoy them as well. People have different taste and different opinions and are free to listen to whatever they may, so there is no reason to attack another band for wanting to do their own thing. Omerta could of spoken about the safe and generic songs without attacking Windwaker, I can respect them calling out the genre but not targeting another band.
I haven't heard much of Omerta admittedly but from the songs I have heard they sound like a budget SOAD that's just trying way too hard to be different. There's a fine line between making something extremely creative and fresh that actually flows well and something that just sounds like jumbled noises with no structure or flow and I'd say from what I've heard Omerta falls into the latter.
Omerta are the epitome of those obnoxious music snobs that push people away from the more experimental and progressive side of heavy music. It just seems like they are butthurt and jealous.
Its not the Musical artists job to support graphic artists. If the Graphic artists job to supercede AI. This is a no traction band trying to get a name and nothing more. BTW that card has been played a million times if they want to talk non-innovative.
So they attack someone and get backlash for it. Nothing to talk about.
just bcs it's accessible and melodic doesn't mean it's boring and generic. just bcs it has a lot of dissonant riffs and experimental things doesn't mean it's good. I'm not talking abt both bands though. just the scene in general
It just screams superiority on a level that is FAR from a good look. Not everything has to be challenging as you’ve said and ultimately people creating anything that makes them and people happy is so incredibly important.
I know of but haven’t listened to Omerta and I certainly won’t now. The false sense of superiority, higher intelligence and higher artistic merit is so off putting.
In a world as stressful and negative as it is, art is an escape. Art can be uncomfortable and personally I love that
But it does not have to be and putting ANYONE down for what they spend time and love creating is a sad way to act.
Fuck Omerta
I hope they learn some real life lessons soon and developed the capacity for love and understanding
Well cats are better ….. 😎
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Its ironic that they went after Redditors when that tweet was the epitome of self-indulgent reddit rant.
The innovative/experimental stuff and the more accessible stuff (which is more popular) can just co-exist. If anything it proves that the genre is healthy. Really don’t get why any of the sides need to call each other out. It seems just really infantile to me. Focus on your own art.
Uh, Windwaker isn't generic or boring in any way. Omerta can shove it, music is art and anyone can consume it or not consume it. They sound salty that Windwaker is starting to blow up while they stay irrelevant.
Omerta just seem like they're trying to gatekeep and bash others. I understand their concern, but they're going about it in the worst way possible. Windwaker didn't do anything wrong.
Edit: I do wish to elaborate on my statement. I'm very much against the use of AI imagery in any creative environment, so I agree with Omerta on their concern for it. However, they were too quick to call out Windwaker for possibly using it. They should've just asked them before making a big deal out of it and going on an unnecessarily verbose tangent about what true "violent art" even is. It just comes off as incredibly elitist and pretentious. Not to mention that it's incredibly snobby to think they have any right over the usage of the word "hyperviolence" just because they used it a couple years before Windwaker.
I’m not sure they came out winners on this one birb. There’s no winners here.
So i think, that there is a need for both, Gateway music and this experimental stuff. I like both Windwaker and Omerta, but calling Windwaker uncreative just because they incorporate pop elements, thats like calling Sleep Token generic and Imagine Dragons-core. Windwaker is in no means heavy and it's very easy on the ear. But if they've actually listened to Love Language, Omerta would've known, that they're actually doing some bold stuff, for example putting a random nearly deathcore song on th album. And also calling a genre uncreative, because the innovators wont push it anymore is just some random word vomit. But i digress, i just think this random attack by Omerta was not that great, but i still enjoy both Windwakers and Omertas music
I have no problem with Windwaker but I 100% agree with what Omerta is saying. Plus the violent art playlist they dropped put me onto sooo many bands haha
People acting like it's not 2024 where literally anyone and everyone can/is making music. Everything has been done at this point, just find what you like and enjoy it, plain and simple.
They've clearly never heard Imminence or Novelists....
I don't understand why they went after Windwaker so hard. There's ton of more generic bands out there and that's a valid point' that those are great gate bands. I myself got into heavier stuff throug bands like Memphis May Fire, Wagewar ect. and now I listen to bunch of difrent and very "innovative" ones. I would also like to notice that Windwaker's last album was super progressive and out of the box in a lot of aspects. If Omerta decided to start the beef only because of the name of the record, I mean... come on guys. It's not like there's a lot of songs and albums under the same name in metal/rock scene, and nobody cries about it. When it comes to cover art, it was a miss for Omerta lol
Omerta won the yapping olympics
Related to this topic, you should react (if you haven't) to Diamond's Construct new album. Their sound is so innovative and unique. It took me a second listen but now is a AOTY contender for me. Recommend!
I agree with the video game analogy with Easy - Medium - Hard modes, but adding on to that:
In video games you rarely go back to Easy when you're used to playing on Hard, because it lacks that challenge you're used to. Sure you might want to relax from time to time, but it's not very engaging at that point.
Whereas with music, I will probably always enjoy putting on Hybrid Theory even though I've been listening to metal/metalcore for many years now.
So I'd say you need some variety and "softer/simpler" stuff even for people who aren't new to the genre.
i don't understand what omerta is complaining about? doesn't make any sense.
omerta mentioned‼️ wtf is generic music⁉️⁉️⁉️⁉️
This thing made me check out Windwaker, so I'll put this down as a fail on Omerta's part. Also, Windwaker is about as far from generic as core (or core adjacent) music can get.
ive never heard of these bands until now and Windwaker is pretty cool. Omerta sounds like a fan edit of things people probably know.
Personally i don't have a problem with simplistic music it has its place. I think the point that is being made here is that the approach is very stale. Everything from production to the way the music is written is extremely dated. If we look at a band like Attack Attack they are a good example of a band that wrote very simple songs while completely breaking the formula that bands like killswitch and AILD set for that early 2000s era metalcore. Which made it appealing to the younger generation. Metalcore today still feels like its appealing to the same crowd it did in the mid 2010s. And whenever a band tries to incorporate something like hyperpop or phonk into their sound to freshen it up it ends up only sounding fresh to metal fans because a large majority of them haven't ventured outside of the metal genre while everyone else has moved onto the next thing already. If you take away the rage bait elements of Omerta's post i think this is the point they were making
I like both bands but calling out Windwaker was not the right move, they definitely are more creative than your generic “Octane-core”. Kind of just makes Omerta come across as assholes when they target a band like Windwaker instead of say Asking Alexandria which is actual “Octane-core”.
AA are big enough not to give a fuck, they needed a smaller but still known band for the clout. They sound like Callous Daoboys ripoff
Fair take but omertàs new song is so ass it hurts
Omerta kicks ass. imo - they’re right
Fells like r/Metalcore
In an era where fewer and fewer people are perusing record stores, album art is less and less important. Really I could care less, make good fucking music.
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if there's anything I really hate, is pretentious people inventing rules for art. Maybe they're right about trying to innovate, but their attitude is so annoying. who tf they think they are? Music police?
Totally agree with Omerta. And yes simple bands are good for newcomers but there is so many easy mode bands, its frustrating. Omerta's mix of metalcore and breakcore is so awesome refreshing and they're amazing live. Antiamorous is an absolute banger.
Omertà kind of mid though
Facts
Not gonna lie I think it’s funny how butt hurt people actually get over AI cover art especially if bands don’t want to reach out to someone and pay the extra money to get cover art (even if it does look better) some just simply don’t care that much about the cover and just wanna release their music. I get why people feel so strongly about it but holy shit this some first world problems and also people are allowed to do what they want even if some of us may disagree with it. Personally I don’t support AI but I’m not gonna have a meltdown on twitter over it. Sorry imma have to take the other bands side