You have me really interested now Dominic... I am shortly heading out to the South Pacific to begin my new life with a 'free boat' attached for my convenience... hoohar! Didn't come with a tender or dinghy so finding your unique 'take' on the Proa has been very enlightning... much thanks mate! This kind of no-nonsense approach which simply makes use of your most (locally) accessible/recyclable/organic materials is essentially, winding back in on those personal 'excesses' we all need to take far more responsibility for... even regarding the most pragmatic decisions in our lives! Having said that... this 'roll up' multipurpose (virtually) organic/recycled solution to a tender or essential 'little boat on a big boat' certainly borders on perfection! Conversely... if or when finances allowed, a super high tech all-carbon electric motor version is of course yet another DIY option with further unlimited possibilities! It is your unique 'roll up' idea (plus rigging) that is brilliant Dominic. Even with a single hull the ability to dismantle or even fold up your mast and framework... allowing you in turn to simply 'roll-up' your slimline Proa onto a side deck via a winch and tarp or rope ladder/netting would be astonishingly practical & convenient... but also well within localised DIY/recycling/natural material limitations and yet also accommodates even the tightest of budgets... what is there NOT to completely fall in love with here! Practise makes perfect regarding use of course... how it should be! The fossil fuel using outboard engine has now seen it's day... we absolutely must return to living in harmony with our enviroment... every single one of us! Lead on Dom... he's even racing his version FFS... outstanding work... much thanks mate!
Love to see this video! Even though I’m totally in to your wharram restauration… and cruising and optimizing. Looking forward to the next episode! Thank you!
Shaping up nicely. I've been looking forward to seeing how your proa worked out for you! Thanks for putting up these videos. (They're encouraging me that maybe I should have a crack at a build myself!)
Perfection... knock up a versatile little sailing tender in a week... on the actual deck of your 31ft Cat? Astonishing! Even adding a small electric outboard to it would not be out of the question, when given the budget of course! Would a rolled up green bamboo decking work for extra passengers and supplies Dom? The idea of then rolling it all up into a beam sized 'bundle' and sliding it easily up onto the deck... quickly secured for getting under way... is the 'cherry on the cake'! Just beautiful! The profound pleasure of not 'choosing' combustion engines is palpable Dominic... well done! Thanks mate! SUBD! Proper sailing channel!
thanks! yes actually I've been thinking about making a deck like that. out of bamboo strips, stiched together, so it rolls up, like a sushi mat. Is that what you meant? it would also make hiking out a lot more comfortable. Also possibly creating room to pitch a tent. Now that I'm happy I can shunt reliably I'm gaining confidence to take it out in more wind, (as you'll see in the next video) and I can see the ability to hike out is essential.
@@dominictarrsailing Yeah exactly... multipurpose organic roll up decking for making a shelter or floor etc., perfection! As you say... turns it into a light weight self contained coastal adventurer/camper etc, whilst still being your elegant little roll-up tender! Crack on Dom... inspirational channel!
it's pretty fun though, try a few things, then go sailing. helps a lot that I live on the water. can get the proa set up and then go sailing every day for a while and test new ideas
Thank you! You might also enjoy this playlist i made with every video containing a crabclaw shunt ua-cam.com/play/PLT7Uycq16-Y_5KGvfTpRQlR_92iRuN8Pg.html (not including other proa rigs though)
hmm good idea! I'll make a prediction about what happens then test it and see if I am right! I think there won't be much water in. maybe ankle deep in the cockpit? the drains are too small though, like a slow garden hose.
G'day, Dominic When you capsize, if you right the boat by pushing the ama underneath, the canoe will come up with a lot less water in it. You've got some rope and bamboo between the beams to push on with your feet to drive the ama underneath. 😁
hmm, your suggestion would work because the bouyancy of the ama would push the hull up so some of the water would come out. Maybe a similar thing could be achived if there was a padding on the lee side of the waka, which I was considering because this is a tender to my catamaran, so want to tie it along side my, and other's, boats. so was considering permanently installed padding along there anyway...
@@dominictarrsailing the padding would have to be of considerable volume to offset the weight of the ama and beams and then even more to lift the canoe somewhat to drain some water. Still, padding on the lee side as a permanent fender is not a bad idea - like on the Ocean Cruising dinghies.
Hi, thanks for your interest! please see the build video, ua-cam.com/video/EdEAhlnCRko/v-deo.html there is a link in the description of that video to the plans I drew
Look Dominic, I've got a bone to pick with you! Ever since I saw you build this proa on your boat I can no longer make the excuse that I don't have a workshop to build some cool shit. Not only that but I can't put the idea out of my head that the thing I should build first is this exact boat!! I don't know how I am going to solve this problem but I suspect I am going to have to give into the voices in my head and build the boat! Do you understand what you have done?! Well, I do and I thank you for the inspiration.
it's only 6! an equilateral with 3.75m sides! It's a shorter proa than most people build, only 4.2m. This sail was plenty big enough while I was tuning the boat, but once I got the boat working good, and also got more skilled at sailing it, and sailed successfully in heavy conditions, this felt small. So now I have an almost 9m^2 sail that zips off to 6m^2 and quite happy with that area
looking at it from sail area displacement ratio, 6m^2 gives sa:d of 24.7 which is considered a fast cruiser. but with a 8.5 m^2 sail, it's just under the sa:d of a hobie 14! (it's a smaller sail than a hobie but the boat is lighter too) it all worked out because I had a tarp big enough to make 6m^2 on me at the time
Thats something i am still working on. I think the first full packdown took 40 min, and girst setup after that took 1.5 hours. But im working on systems to imptove on that. One issue is that there are a lot on of lines and several spars and these are very good at getting tangled. Though i think you could transport it a short way assembled, but the rig lashed down, on its side with ama on the air. Thats a common way to trailer a small proa like this, dont see why you couldnt do it on a trolley also!
Jeez, the lift you got on the front end. Amazing.
wow can learn so much about boat design, building and fixing from your videos
thank you for the complement! I am very happy to hear that!
finally someone smart enough to put the GoPro on a pole. Thank you.
Haha thank you! I accept suggestions for new camera angles to try
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You have me really interested now Dominic... I am shortly heading out to the South Pacific to begin my new life with a 'free boat' attached for my convenience... hoohar! Didn't come with a tender or dinghy so finding your unique 'take' on the Proa has been very enlightning... much thanks mate! This kind of no-nonsense approach which simply makes use of your most (locally) accessible/recyclable/organic materials is essentially, winding back in on those personal 'excesses' we all need to take far more responsibility for... even regarding the most pragmatic decisions in our lives! Having said that... this 'roll up' multipurpose (virtually) organic/recycled solution to a tender or essential 'little boat on a big boat' certainly borders on perfection! Conversely... if or when finances allowed, a super high tech all-carbon electric motor version is of course yet another DIY option with further unlimited possibilities! It is your unique 'roll up' idea (plus rigging) that is brilliant Dominic. Even with a single hull the ability to dismantle or even fold up your mast and framework... allowing you in turn to simply 'roll-up' your slimline Proa onto a side deck via a winch and tarp or rope ladder/netting would be astonishingly practical & convenient... but also well within localised DIY/recycling/natural material limitations and yet also accommodates even the tightest of budgets... what is there NOT to completely fall in love with here!
Practise makes perfect regarding use of course... how it should be!
The fossil fuel using outboard engine has now seen it's day... we absolutely must return to living in harmony with our enviroment... every single one of us!
Lead on Dom... he's even racing his version FFS... outstanding work... much thanks mate!
Love to see this video! Even though I’m totally in to your wharram restauration… and cruising and optimizing. Looking forward to the next episode! Thank you!
That's great. If I play the video at 2 times speed, you go a lot faster. LOL I'm really enjoying you videos.
Check out yh "strong wind advisory" one for some faster sailing!
I’ve jest learned from you something very important. Thank you for it.
what was it?
Shaping up nicely. I've been looking forward to seeing how your proa worked out for you!
Thanks for putting up these videos. (They're encouraging me that maybe I should have a crack at a build myself!)
just getting started! if you build one we can race!
Perfection... knock up a versatile little sailing tender in a week... on the actual deck of your 31ft Cat? Astonishing! Even adding a small electric outboard to it would not be out of the question, when given the budget of course! Would a rolled up green bamboo decking work for extra passengers and supplies Dom? The idea of then rolling it all up into a beam sized 'bundle' and sliding it easily up onto the deck... quickly secured for getting under way... is the 'cherry on the cake'! Just beautiful! The profound pleasure of not 'choosing' combustion engines is palpable Dominic... well done! Thanks mate! SUBD! Proper sailing channel!
thanks! yes actually I've been thinking about making a deck like that. out of bamboo strips, stiched together, so it rolls up, like a sushi mat. Is that what you meant? it would also make hiking out a lot more comfortable. Also possibly creating room to pitch a tent. Now that I'm happy I can shunt reliably I'm gaining confidence to take it out in more wind, (as you'll see in the next video) and I can see the ability to hike out is essential.
@@dominictarrsailing Yeah exactly... multipurpose organic roll up decking for making a shelter or floor etc., perfection! As you say... turns it into a light weight self contained coastal adventurer/camper etc, whilst still being your elegant little roll-up tender! Crack on Dom... inspirational channel!
Very Cool!!! Looks fun, but I realize how much work it actually must have been. Proa has a nice look to it. Build seems to be a win!
it's pretty fun though, try a few things, then go sailing. helps a lot that I live on the water. can get the proa set up and then go sailing every day for a while and test new ideas
Good camera work. I didn't understand how Proas switch dierections until now.
Thank you! You might also enjoy this playlist i made with every video containing a crabclaw shunt ua-cam.com/play/PLT7Uycq16-Y_5KGvfTpRQlR_92iRuN8Pg.html (not including other proa rigs though)
Hey Dominic!
I would love to see another capsize test now that you’ve added the self bailing deck. It’d be sweet to see it self bailing
hmm good idea! I'll make a prediction about what happens then test it and see if I am right! I think there won't be much water in. maybe ankle deep in the cockpit? the drains are too small though, like a slow garden hose.
however it will be so little water that sailing away immediately wouldn't be a problem
G'day, Dominic
When you capsize, if you right the boat by pushing the ama underneath, the canoe will come up with a lot less water in it. You've got some rope and bamboo between the beams to push on with your feet to drive the ama underneath. 😁
hmm, I think this ama has too much bouyancy for that. it's about my weight. with two people it would work. I will try that next time anyway!
@@dominictarrsailing easy to test - try standing on the ama
@@Ron-dx9wq I do that at the end of the build video!
hmm, your suggestion would work because the bouyancy of the ama would push the hull up so some of the water would come out. Maybe a similar thing could be achived if there was a padding on the lee side of the waka, which I was considering because this is a tender to my catamaran, so want to tie it along side my, and other's, boats. so was considering permanently installed padding along there anyway...
@@dominictarrsailing the padding would have to be of considerable volume to offset the weight of the ama and beams and then even more to lift the canoe somewhat to drain some water. Still, padding on the lee side as a permanent fender is not a bad idea - like on the Ocean Cruising dinghies.
Hi! Lovely video! If you know details about plans for DIY please share any info!
Hi, thanks for your interest! please see the build video, ua-cam.com/video/EdEAhlnCRko/v-deo.html there is a link in the description of that video to the plans I drew
Look Dominic, I've got a bone to pick with you! Ever since I saw you build this proa on your boat I can no longer make the excuse that I don't have a workshop to build some cool shit. Not only that but I can't put the idea out of my head that the thing I should build first is this exact boat!! I don't know how I am going to solve this problem but I suspect I am going to have to give into the voices in my head and build the boat! Do you understand what you have done?! Well, I do and I thank you for the inspiration.
hahaha sorry about that! looking forward to racing you in it though!
@@dominictarrsailing One thing at a time but I'm keen!
Nice mate, what size is the crabclaw? Looks to be about 10sqm?
it's only 6! an equilateral with 3.75m sides! It's a shorter proa than most people build, only 4.2m. This sail was plenty big enough while I was tuning the boat, but once I got the boat working good, and also got more skilled at sailing it, and sailed successfully in heavy conditions, this felt small. So now I have an almost 9m^2 sail that zips off to 6m^2 and quite happy with that area
looking at it from sail area displacement ratio, 6m^2 gives sa:d of 24.7 which is considered a fast cruiser. but with a 8.5 m^2 sail, it's just under the sa:d of a hobie 14! (it's a smaller sail than a hobie but the boat is lighter too)
it all worked out because I had a tarp big enough to make 6m^2 on me at the time
This looks much more wieldy than my Hitia 17. How long does it take to assemble and dissassemble?
Thats something i am still working on. I think the first full packdown took 40 min, and girst setup after that took 1.5 hours. But im working on systems to imptove on that. One issue is that there are a lot on of lines and several spars and these are very good at getting tangled. Though i think you could transport it a short way assembled, but the rig lashed down, on its side with ama on the air. Thats a common way to trailer a small proa like this, dont see why you couldnt do it on a trolley also!
Playwood 4 or 10mm?
One sheet of 6mm, used for the main hull bottom, decks, and bulkheads. two sheets of 4mm, for the sides and ama.