This video is 11 minutes long, it would have been fun if they started the video with him beginning the charge, and then they have the charge progress running on the side as they continue the video just for a tangible example of how quick it really takes.
Oppo did that for a mobile phone (Find X2 Pro) that got 65W fast charging and got from 0-100% in around 34 minutes (I forget what exactly) by having their press launch take that exact time with a meter on screen.
Keep in mind NEDC range is wildly optimistic, take it with a container of salt more than a pinch. Their claimed "435 miles" is going to be more like 250 miles if you were to do real world driving and the car was in North America. Still really good especially for the price, but it really is a wonder why they haven't moved on from the grossly inflated NEDC numbers.
If any of you think that the price will be comparable in the UK stop now it will be at least £30000 for the short range version. We are always over taxed and pay more for a product. The Chinese want to make as much profit as they can they only need to undercut the European cars by say £5000 and they will sell bucket loads. The VW id3 started at £29000 when it was launched now it £36000 and this was touted as the people's car. C Your current best bet is MG for a £26000 and that is the short range version of MG4 SE. Spec.
@@RyanWilliams222 to be honest, it is almost never really needed for personal use. Daily use you can charge at home, and for long road trips taking a 15 - 30 min coffee and bathroom break is fine. The biggest area where I can see this being actually an important factor is public transit and commercial transportation. An electric bus charging at the final bus stop for example, where they usually wait a short while anyways. This could enable electric busses without overhead power lines and no real charging downtime
@@slayergut If you own a car, then it needs a parking spot - and there can/should be charging available there. That is easier/cheaper than fast chargers. Cars spend most of their time parked - so quick charging should only be *required* for longer trips.
According to my iPad this video is over 11 mins in length so given the new battery technology we will be there in a few months. Get your check book out 😆
I think there is a mix up in the video. The 3C with 520A at 410V results in about 520*410=220kW (already existing in several brands), not the 480kW claimed here.
I noticed that too, perhaps the charger is capable of 800V but the car is limited to 400V? There are definitely 800V cars around, Porsche Taycan for example.
“Just wait 30s for the fan to warm up; then I’ll starts the stopwatch” Otherwise very impressive. And you don’t need to wait by the pump, holding the trigger!
99% of the time it is "plug in and walk inside" the other 1% is basically charge at destination. With 2 or so quick charge sessions per year,.where I only charge enough to get home, about 30min or so. Btw, I can only charge up to 43kW anyway at quick charge (but 22kW at lvl2 chargers, which is more valuable for me.)
That's shit. I can fill up my tank in less than a minute, and travel 900 km. Can your electric toys do the same? And who the fu** holding the trigger, there is a switch on pistol so u don't need to hold it.
The 3c battery is 522A x 414.4V = 216.32kW. The 6c battery is558A x 769.6V = 429.44kW. Where do you get 480kW from for the 3c? And the 60 can't be right for charging time either? Can you please double check and clarify the numbers, thanks!
Agreed. It's easy to fast charge. It's harder to fast charge and still have the battery in good order after one million miles or 8 years. And I'm not sure if I'd trust a Chinese warranty.
the AION Y is really a great (and actually not so little) car. Bought one here in Guangzhou earlier this year and very happy with it. especially the leg space in the back row is fantastic for a more compact car. not even considering the price, absolutely amazing, comfortable to drive with plenty little features.
No, we DON'T need extreme fast charging to transition people into EVs - we need EVs as affordable as cheap 2nd-hand ICE cars, like 3-5k, not bloody 23k, we need them available in other countries, we need the charging infrastructure available and we need power prices lower. Being able to upgrade the batteries on old 2nd-hand EVs to the latest tech would also be nice.
How the hell do you think you get cheap used EVs other than selling them new in the first place? Or do you think auto manufacturers can produce a new car that costs $3k?
@@moonw0man Firstly, it's a fair point that some more expensive models will trickle down into a more affordable 2nd-hand market - no issue with that. Secondly, Yes, I DO think manufacturers could WORK WITH GOVERNMENTS to produce an affordable car for low-income earners if they actually wanted to do anything about climate change and quality of life for said group, rather than it really being all about profit margins fro both the companies and the politicians - in exactly the same vein you could subsidise PV panels and a battery for every household under a certain income tomorrow, if you really wanted to. You can see how cheaply China can make some of their vehicles - yes, that might be with lower safety and consumer protection standards (and workplace and engineering standards) but for a large proportion of people their relatively short-distance needs can be met with a very cheap vehicle, even new. Maybe it has to be a glorified golf cart or scooter or "Smart car" type of vehicle to begin with, but it can be done, and once there is a market there will be market competition that drives up what you get for your money.
I wasted loads of time refueling ICE cars. With an EV it just fills up overnight so no hassle. On the very odd occasion I have to use a public charger it's really not a big deal. Obviously not the case for people with no off-road charging ability.
This is a very good point. I've had an EV for 3 years, have only needed to charge at a public charger 7 times, the rest of the time I charge overnight - every morning a full 'tank'. Obviously everyone's use case is different. I use my EV for daily commute (round trip 60 miles / 96 km). Don't own another vehicle anymore either. We thought we'd keep the ICE car for the 'long trips' but after the first year we realised it was just rotting on the driveway so we sold it.
The ONLY time an EV is limiting is a long road trip. I only can afford my PiP for now, and I hope to see more cars like this one with its kW/M range for the 70-80kWh battery pack making its way to America. The only good EVs we have are all out of most peoples budget or have abysmal range/charging speeds
The more people can charge at home, will give people using public charging a bit of reprieve. Also, charging infrastructure sharing will further alleviate the problem.
Nonsense!!!!! It works for you because you have a place at home to charge! Not everyone has your same opportunities! Also for things like towing…… and a lot of ICE have bigger fuel tanks for even longer range…..
Great video, Elliot! Fantastic to see the fast development in charging technology. Small comment: at min 1:38 the amperage x voltage does not equal 480 kW. That's the charging power for the faster charging battery pack, isn't it? 😉
@@serversurfer6169 You are right! 559x769,6=430.206,4W So they'll have to be raising one or both of the values in order to reach that peak power output of 480kW. But still charging beyond 350kW is a fascinating speed. For me as an e-driver this will almost be too much of a hurry. A different experience having to unplug the car before you've even finished queuing for a coffee.
And they even put 480 Kw. They need to get someone with a science or engineering background to do the graphics proof-reading. Don't get me started on H20 ≠ H₂O.
The minimal degradation claimed, at the charge rate we saw, and for the number of cycles they cite, is far, far better than anything from any of the other EV makers. Too good to be true? I hope it's true. I fear it's not.....
Hyundai and Kia sell cars now which can charge in 18 minutes if you are on a 350kw charger. Tesla's can charge in about 20 minutes, however I think they will speed that up when they have more experience with the 4680 batteries in the wild. They sped up the charge speeds of the 2170 battery cars in 2019. I discovered that right after I bought a car with 18650 cells. My car is from 2015 and charges at a liesurely 45 minutes, but still has nearly all it's range after over 100,000 miles. The difference is likely to come down to China building it's electrical infrastructure within the last 50 years and a lot of the US infrastructure built 100 years ago. The US infrastructure needs upgrading to take advantage of the future advancements.
@@_TheElMan don't think the cable is the problem, is for the battery to support the high power and don't catch on fire. (I work with high power transformers, the cables from 40-60 megawatt traffo is not that thick. (different for the 250-400 megawatt)
I 'love' all the comments that.."It's still not as fast as filling with petrol". Goodness, look how fast this technology is changing! I've had a small EV for over 3 years. Comparing charging that older car to this video is crazy. Yes costs may well dictate where and when these charging units get deployed but IMO even this fast charger will be 'out of date' in 12 months
"...I 'love' all the comments that.."It's still not as fast as filling with petrol" - well, don't start the video saying "As fast as an ICE car". Moronic opening.
once the EVs are charging as fast or faster as a gas car can fill up, people will say "yes, but it does not smell like a car", regardless what EV breakthrough are done, certain people will always find some something wrong with EVs
For 60% of UK households for 95% of the time they'll never visit a Rapid charger, for the other 40% this may well be a boon, although for most folk it just needs a change in mindset from "I need to fill up" to "I need to park up at a fast charger". We needs more multi-outlet 50 - 100kW chargers.
In Norway we have quite a few 150kW, 200kW, 250kW and 300kW chargers. The problem is most cars can't charge at 300kW. However most chargers have two plugs, so often you'll see two 80kWh battery cars getting 150kW each, going from 20% to 80% in 20 minutes.
Try living in Australia... we are painfully behind the curve. WA has just announced with great fanfare that is installing the longest electric highway stating "Each charging location will be fitted with a standard charger and a 150kW DC fast charger". Why even bother with the standard charger (complete waste of space, time and money) and even the fast charger at 150KW will be considered slow by the time it has all been rolled out - they should be aiming for a 150KW and 300KW at each location. This video reminds me of the improvements in microchips where speed and memory were doubling every year. It won't be long before we park over a wireless pad for 60 secs and get a full charge, probably as we make our way through the drive thru fast food joint! 🤣
Meanwhile in the UK we have motorway service stations with a miserable number of terrible chargers and government backed/taxpayer funded BritishVolt who don't seem to have any ambition at all. It's embarrassing.
True alas. I have had a Leaf since 2018 and looking at a new long range AWD EV such as EV6, Model Y etc. But catastrophic state of non Supercharger infrastructure is an embarrassment. The UK government are owned by big oil, and now Truss is PM there is little hope.
Yeah i remember his reviews before he was on fully charged and the things he would say didnt always make sense but the last 2 videos iv seen of him now would make you think hes natural almost.
It "slows down" to 230kW 😱 that is insanely fast ... The named battery degradation is hard to believe... And the car prices are incredible... if such a car comes to Europe, it would blow all others off the market quickly... because that esp the small one would open it to absolutely everybody... Even Tesla cannot compete with those numbers ... Somehow it seems too good to be true...
That's because this manufacturer is losing money on every vehicle sold. CCP is keeping these companies afloat because they think long-term instead of quarterly profits. Not a value judgement on my part, just an observation.
Well that price is a conversion of what the price is in China where it's manufactured. For Europe & US you are then looking at import costs and tax on top too, which then increases the list price... Would probably still be cheaper than a Tesla though 😉
The degradation seems in line with modern lithium iron phosphate batteries. They probably achieve these charging speeds by dynamically switching the cell configuration and charging them in parallel.
@@jooptablet1727 that's why I like Chinese capitalism. All about improving technology. If the West was like this, then China would have no chance of competing.
Tesla V3/4 superchargers can do 500-600A at 400V (so a similar 240kW speed). Fast charging is easy.. fast charging without reducing your range (ie. Harming the battery) is different. Guess we will see in 5yrs whether these batteries hold up and the manufacturer isn't having to replace batteries under warranty.
That's impressive. It's really a massive amount of electricity flowing. Once that part of the puzzle can be reliably implemented, I wonder if we'll find the hardest part is not quick charging "a car" but supplying energy to hundreds or thousands of cars at once.
@@JaboodyEnthusiast As long as there is the will to use it. The problem we have is too many politicians are listening to the death cult greenies. Hence the debacle places like Germany and other European countries are facing.
The vast majority of private EVs are, and will be in future, charged at much lower rates (and lower cost) overnight or when parked up during the day. This kind of extreme charging will definitely find a role, but it will be like filling an ICE car on the motorway - something expensive and to be avoided if possible. Commercial vehicles will definitely do more of this kind of ultra-rapid charging, and I believe Tesla is rolling out multi-MW charging units for the Semi.
That was 220kw at the end of the charge. Current cars might peak at higher than that when at a low charge percentage but by the time they get near full the rate is much lower.
It *sustained* 220kW all the way up to 83%... even quick-charging vehicles like Teslas (among the most cosistently quick-charging EVs available) are typically charging at less than 100kW by 80%.
I stopped for petrol yesterday in Carlisle, because the garage(Tesco) had a low price, they was 2 cars waiting for each pump, it took me approx 18 minutes to put in half a tank.
@@tdh7865 Long term gas prices will rise. As more EVs are on the roads, the less gas will be used. And gas prices will go up because of the loss of economies of scale. To go along with this, electricity prices will fall long term.
I don’t switch to EVs because I have to stay all night long looking at my car charging on AC…. That is too slow! /s Why do we need these speeds? For once a year trips? My EV is already faster than ICE, it takes 5s to plug it in and it charges by itself, and I never have to visit dirty pump stations anymore!
That's great. However, we never saw it go above 220kw. We already have several cars that charge faster than that, and a few that can do significantly faster than that. The Lucid Air does above 300kw, the Porsche Taycan does 270kw, the Ionic 5 and EV6 do 240kw, and most new Teslas reach 250kw. The Ionic 5 and EV6 go from 10-80% in 18 minutes, and those are larger batteries than the 60kw that this car you're charging has so it's adding significantly more kilowatts in that time (around 50kw vs. around 30kw here, so almost double). The Lucid adds 200 miles (322 kilometers) in 11 minutes. And those have been independently confirmed by actual owners, not a company's claims. So what is better here that is not already out? Can someone point it out to me? Also, I noticed that it raises the AMPs to get to the 220kw shown, not the Voltage, which is really, really bad for the battery. As opposed to raising the voltage which is much easier on the battery. I'm confused about what is being shown that is any better than what we already have.
The difference is in the battery, I think - which means it can *sustain* that charging level from 30% to 80% (even at 83%, it was still pulling ~220kWh). Most cars currently will hit their peak at around 10%-15%, and then charging rates will drop significantly, and plateau... then drop again around 50%, etc. It's also likely that it did go higher than ~220kWh... but even if it didn't, that's a 50% charge (30-80%) in 10 mins... meaning it put over 35kWh into the battery in that time.
The voltage and current into a battery are inextricably linked. If you try to raise the voltage the current will go up accordingly. If the charger cannot provide the current, the voltage cannot rise. Perhaps you are referring to 800-volt charging. In that case the battery is split into two parts that are temporarily connected in series rather than in parallel. With 800 volt charging it is possible to charge at twice the 400 volt rate without increasing the charging current.
Astonished by this basic mistake by the "experts" - at 1:45, 522 amps x 414 volts is about 216 kW. The voltage figure is wrong, these systems are all 800 volts plus (880 - 1000 most likely). Amazed that they got this wrong.
For me fast charging is the most important factor in going electric. Currently we have to park our car on the road away from our house, and have no other charging options near work or our house. If we can charge it in under 10 minutes on the way to work it would mean we can finally go electric.
I charge on a 50kW Rapid next to the supermarket, 40 minutes shopping equals a full charge, and no standing next to a petrol pump waiting to fill up. I also sometimes charge on the public car park 22kW chargers whilst I'm at work, again no waiting around and the car is easily fully charged by the time I finish work, despite my car only being able to take 3kW AC from the 22kW feed (it's a 2018 Nissan Leaf 30kW). Sometimes I charge at B&Q or other supermarket slow chargers. You don't need this crazy speed charging to go electric, you just need to look into where you can charge when shopping or at work, or at other places (pub/restaurant for dinner, sports centre, public car parks etc). I never have to wait for my car to charge, I'm always doing something else whilst it's charging.
@@JohnScarrott I thought that all Leafs apart from the early ones had 7kw charging. My 2015 Leaf certainly does. 3kw at level 2 is hardly better than plugging into a 13 amp socket.
@@JohnScarrott we know it is doable but that 40 minutes charging while shopping can be done how often without going purposely for charging? I mean I do long shopping sessions maybe once every two weeks but only spend like 5 minutes weekly at the gas station
I love Aion and am an investor of gac since early last year. Great to finally see a credible test of the fast charging. The 6c technology is the rumor of this company. Aion as a whole and the Toyota nevs are the main value. As is the market cap. No investment advise. Great video
Earlier this year, the "Megawatt Charging System" was unveiled, with its stated purpose being the service of emerging electric freight trucks. Five years from now, we might be using it for passenger EVs =P
I always assumed this tech would evolve eventually, but never this quickly. well done to these clever engineers. The west really needs to pull up its socks.
Using my car for 'feed in' when I'm not using it and running vertically free is why I'm going ev, speedy charging is nice to have, but connectivity is key in our energy deficit times.
So a 3C charging rate for an 80kWh pack is just 240kW, a rate that Tesla have had for years and several other companies as well. What would be impressive is if they are maintaining that rate from 0-80% since it is the area under the charge curve that denotes the energy that has been transferred. A bit more technical detail of the charge curve would have been very useful. A 6C charge rate is 480kW, which is definitely a change, but once again the charge curve needs to be understood to see what this means. The other issue is the charging standards in use around the world. GB/T is officially limited to 250kW as far as I can tell, and CCS is limited to 350kW. MCS from CharIn can do 3.75MW but with a far larger connector designed for trucks. XPeng have a 480kW charging connector, but this gets into the same proprietary problems that Tesla have in the US and other markets where they use their slimline plug. There is a long way to go before really fast charging becomes a reality, but this does look like a good first step.
Sure, but Tesla will sustain those 250kW not onger than 30% SoC. My Model 3 LR is Miles away from the charging curve shown, everything above 60% SoC at Tesla is boring slow.
Range isn't an issue, especially in UK. You travel 200+ miles. Stop to eat. The car is fully charged (if it support 100kw or more and has a 200+ mile range), and you keep going. Sure people will say stopping every 200-250 miles is too frequent but you try and make your family sit in the car for more than 2-3 hours without stopping, they'll not be happy if you try to make them.
The average US car trip is about 15km, in the EU about 35km. These chargers have some utility on the motorways, but 90+% of charging can easily be done overnight with basic home or local chargers.
Yes fine if you live in the countryside and wealthy. But China and most high population countries/cities live in high rise apartments or rent in shared flats with no access to home charging. Hell, most of my peers in the uk can't get an ev as they can't afford a house... If everyone incl lower income persons is to use ev, we need this technology & infrastructure
@@charliecouzins7652 If you have parking and there is electrical infrastructure nearby, you can and should charge overnight. (Building codes are changing as we speak!) If you don't have parking, how do you own a car at all?
@@TaiViinikka it's called on street parking, you have no dedicated parking spot for your house and no way to run power to whatever space you end up in when you park up.
The issue I see in Australia is price for current gen fast chargers. In my area fast charging to get around 300km of range is comparable to a full tank of petrol ($70). It’s obscene to wait up to an hour to pay the same as a tank of petrol. If you fill up away from your home it will cost a fortune.
Charging isn't my problem, over priced EV's is much more of a concern. Sell those Chinese cars around the world for the same price & the ICE would die a vastly quicker death. Can I see that happening soon, no, likely never. And if energy prices keep rising so fast there may even come a time where EV's cost more to "fill up" too if you don't have any other options to charge.
The majority may charge at home currently but that is simply because buying an EV is generally only a reasonable choice if you have a home and a garage to charge from. Only 63% of owners of housing units, and 37% of renters have access to a garage or covered parking (2015 data) and likely very, very few of those spots have charger access. While, theoretically you won't need nearly as many public chargers as we have gas pumps, given a notable percentage of owners that will be able to charge from home or office, there is still a insanely massive increase in fast charging units needed to get to where electric cars are an option for all.
@@Piccyman1 if it’s a capacitor, that’s going to be unusual as a cap isn’t really a viable energy storage solution. Very interesting to see what they’re doing.
He should have started the timer right at the start, but on the other hand you can take time off for walking into the shop to pay and being stuck behind someone doing their Markies food shop in front of you. 😆
It is guaranteed for 1 Million Kilometres... If it does damage the battery then you'll get free one! They aren't going to offer that it they aren't certain it is safe!!
Once the charging speed is on par with fueling up a regular car, the ICE-holes will just complain about something else. You can't take the caveman out of the cave.
I once calculated the ‚charging‘ speed of our local gas station with our Opel/Vauxhall Astra. The result was about 19 Megawatts, so nineteenthousand kW. (8.5 kWh per liter) In my opinion EVs don't need to get there, we just shouldn't claim they can be charged as quickly. I absolutely prefer EVs, but even if they're charged in the same time, that would be an apples to oranges comparison due to the different energy amount.
I think you are forgetting two things. ICE technology is hopelessly inefficient, so the fact that fossil fuels are energy dense is largely cancelled out by the fact that you throw away 70-80% of that energy as heat. Secondly, filling an ICE car requires a special trip EVERY time, which nearly always requires longer to pay than to actually fill up the fuel, whereas the vast majority of EV charging is done on a “park, plug-in, go and do something else” basis. One of the greatest pleasures I have as an EV owner is that I almost never have to rapid-charge it, so the days of standing next to my car holding a stinking fuel hose, and then going into a building to pay are history.
I filled our PHEV with petrol recently, 20 mins to drive to the petrol station, 6 mins queuing, 5 mins to fill, 8 mins to queue to pay (only one cashier at lunchtime) then 20 mins drive home so we were ready to go early doors next morning….nearly an hour to ‘charge’ with petrol. Meanwhile our EV was plugged in at home and charged on cheap rate power overnight for pennies, no drive no queuing and they say charging takes a long time ….really ??
You need someone to plan your day buddy. Why are you leaving your house just to fill up? Everyone I know fills up when they 1) are low on fuel, 2) passing a station. Wait times, queue to pay... hmm.
@@zapfanzapfan I needed a VAT receipt and the pumps printer was out of action so had to go to the shop and queue. It’s like that every single time I go, never find a pump with a working print-out and usually a mile long queue to pay. It’s faster if you fill up on the motorway….if you can afford to !
@@yehudagoldberg6400 3am start, didn’t fancy prattling around looking for an open station, didn’t fancy paying top dollar on the motorway either. It’s called ‘planning’
@@Thatsme849 More like it's because the Chinese EV scene being ultra competitive. Huge market filled with players that're just beginning to venture into rest of the world. Even Tesla has to sell for less there just to keep the edge. Not just cars. Oh, I forget that everything in Europe naturally get expensive for...like no particular reasons.
I think is more for the people who don't remember to get petrol until the 'empty tank' light goes on when they're on the way to the office, and need to refill fast... they'll do the same thing in their EV, and if it takes 30 mins to recharge, they'll be late... they're also (typically) the folk that prefer to charge to full, rather than just putting enough in for now, and charging 'properly' later - because that takes foresight and planning :p
@@jimmyryan5880 I would take a +700km range EV over a fast-charging ~350km any day, specially considering I could top that at home during the time my car is parked and then ignore the battery level during any single-day trip I could do
High speed charging is not as important as some people may think since at least 90% of charging is done while a car is parked somewhere, like at home, work or a shopping centre.
I think most people don't understand that your EV is 'filled up with gas' every night automatically with at home charging. When someone hears 30 mins to charge they think of their current use of gas stations which is weekly. 30 mins every week seems like a lot. A mental shift for sure.
Life4Po (lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries have next to zero degradation, on top that semi-solid state and solid state is coming literally in 2-3 years tops. Future is bright.
there is a terrible misconception 0 local emisssion (which is actually not even true since tyres also produce very harmful emissions) doesn’t mean 0 global. You would not save anything if you buy an EV. perhaps saving a 10 to 20% global emissions but that’s all. you want to save the planet go by bicycle … maybe a small electric kick scooter to the maximum. But if you think that EV is ecologic you got it all wrong.
@@farodopi5170 either side of this argument often have misconceptions and bad data. At the moment I agree with you about the order of magnitude, however EVs have the huge potential when coupled with renewable / non fossil fuel power generation, at which point it will be a Lot better than Ice. But yeah, ev alone is not much greener globally. But less air and noise pollution locally, charging at home (not having to go to gas stations) and much better driving experience (especially in cities) are very significant advantages on their own in my book
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 remember they have to mine for the baterry materials,people are too greedy to really save the planet,saving IT from,changes are inevitabile,all we can do,îs adapt to them
@UCJmb4q-8CxhZboL28joOP3Q Missed That, but that seems incredibly unlikely given modern battery technology but I could be wrong intersting stuff either way.
1:37 522A at 414V is about 216kW. If those numbers are correct then charging this thing is, on the face of it, less than 50% efficient. Edit: The display at 4:24 makes a lot more sense.
Meanwhile, in the US, we still have large swaths of the country who don't even sell EVs, our largest non-Tesla charging network barely works, and we still think we're "the best." Ugh.
Interesting; The challenges involved with thermal management with such high currents within the cells and the associated infrastructure are the hardest to overcome?
Amazing developments and nice for the odd road trip. Interested to know how much electricity is lost in the process, with all the cooling needed for the cables, the plug and in the car, and how it compares to 11KW AC charging or a more leisurely 150KW rapid charge. These can be considerable as a recent publication by the ADAC has shown.
For me if I can add 150km in 10 minutes I am good. We already have that kind of tech so when the prices of EVs go down to levels of gas cars, I am ready to switch.
The starting of the timer when it starts charging and not after you plug in and the charger does all of it's initial setup before charging is EXTREMELY MISLEADING! The time should start as soon as you plug in the charger. Were you purposely disingenuous?!?
Insulate your house. Make it smarter by using Iot and sensors to turn off light automatically. Produce biogas and run your Spark engines on. Biodiesel and run your diesel engines. Biocoal ( fischer tropsch on poop just have a think) powered cars(steam cars are faster than electric car:) As an African I say pity Congo(colbalt)
This is amazing and game changing in terms of charging speeds and I personally think it's great - but I still know that there will be people that would still moan about waiting for 8 minutes. I guess there must be a limit to how safely you can charge a large capacity EV battery though
They should be moaning about how much time it takes to fill with petrol since the typical EV driver will spend Less than 1/10 of the time charging as they do filling with gas because you charge at home.
For personal car travel, this doesn't actually matter much, as the vast majority of charging takes place slowly at home. Where I think this ultra-fast charging tech can really shine, though, is long haul trucking. In a business where time is money, charging speeds have to have times comparing with pumping diesel in order for electric semi-trucks to take off.
Don't believe a word of it. There are lots of Chinese EV makers making all sort of outrageous claims and its all BS. The car he drove charges no faster than most. CATL makes batteries for many EV makers, if this "new" battery were that special, all the other EV makers will have access to it and would be bragging about it as well.
Remember that the silver bullet rarely exists in this world. Ultra fast charging means huge spikes in power demant. In electric power delivery, a good measure is that everything quick and intense is very inefficient and typically that power does not come from solar or wind or even nuclear, but gas turbine that needs to quickly ramp up (again, inefficient and polluting). So if you really need this, it is better and more sustainable that you don't buy a new car and stay with your old petrol car
Very high speed charging is only possible if you have very large amounts of power available at the location. That seems obvious, but is always overlooked in the discussion which seem to focus only on the battery technology. If you want to put 50 kWh for example into a battery, whatever battery that might be, the power requirement gets huge as the time goes down. To do that in 2 minutes as you suggested in the video requires a power of 1.5 MW. If you have 3 charging stalls all of the sudden that site needs almost 5 WM of power capacity. That's the same as a large factory or a huge office building. Current petrol fueling stations only have power capacities of around 200 kW, so you aren't going to be converting those into fast charging sites.
Battery buffers can be used in such situations. Something like a tesla powerpack or a megapack. They can continuously 'trickle' charge in the background with the pre existing electric infrastructure, and provide a higher power output while charging EVs
As an urban and rural planner, I think the reason it's not focused on is because it is so obvious, by the time these are being rolled out the amount of power generation in nation will have increased as we plan ahead. In my planning job not just do we know exactly how many of these stations are being built, because they have to apply for permission, we do future estimate assesments with ranges that show what the power generation is needed in the future.
WRONG! Thus why energy storage is soo important. I think more 100MWH scale mechanical / pneumatic energy storage system should be developed for big Charging Stations. That way they can stockpile energy during off peak and dump it when there is demand. 200kw is plenty
Having fewer charging stations simply defeats the object. You will increase the waiting time for the charging station to become available for the next customer. Also these current stations are impractical for your car to park. They need to be set up just like current petrol pumps; drive in / drive out; all in one direction.
Fast charging is ICE thinking. You’ll only need to fast charge while on the road if you can’t charge at home or your destination. Once you have an EV, you DON’T want to fast charge.
Even if that was the case it still works out cleaner than a fossil car, but I'm sure your aware even in China ( where they probably made your phone) there is a transition to renewables !
@@marvintpandroid2213 Why is China building a new coal powered station each week if renewables are truly economically and energy competitive. We'd need to be discussing nuclear.
@@Neojhun Under current energy costs/issues, coal plants are coming back online again. But the point is most power is generated via fossil fuels, and that won't change soon. Especially with idiotic moves rejecting nuclear.
You can't say people are hesitant just because of the charging time and power. There are millions of people who can't afford an EV. In your videos you should strive to consistently address the accessibility of EVs while simultaneously discussing other aspects.
There are millions of people who can’t afford a new ICE car either. It’s going to take another 5 to 7 years to get lower priced vehicles widespread in our western markets. They will come from China. MG already sell their MG4 in the UK at under £26k. That’s getting comparable with VW golf, Ford Focus and all. It’s happening.
Its not ideal for battery life but away from home charging is not the regular way a car is charged for most people, if you only slow charge at home the occasional fast charge can actually be good for the battery. 7:20
@@JamesScholesUK yeah just got to that part, though I’m still skeptical. They can claim there is warranty and claim how much deg there will be but kinda a grain of salt type situation in my mind until a reputable third party can verify that.
@@marvintpandroid2213 totally, I just like thinking about worst case scenarios as a way to judge how well they’d perform for most use cases below that. Even here in the US with great consumer protection laws many have had issue with warranty work. Wonder how easy or convenient it is to do similar in China.
It's a non issue, for cars at least. Let's say it shortens the batter life by 2/3, which is quite pessimistic, it would still make it to 500 cycles and that would be 200k miles. Few cars reach that mileage. For trucks though, it could be a problem, but then again, trucks should be charging at night so the driver can rest. And by then it doesn't need such fast charging.
Supposedly at 1:40 it says the battery can take 480kw, I think the 240kw shown on the charger is the charging rate at 83% charge, and the max charging rate was hit at lower state of charge to reduce battery wear?
This video is 11 minutes long, it would have been fun if they started the video with him beginning the charge, and then they have the charge progress running on the side as they continue the video just for a tangible example of how quick it really takes.
Too distracting I think but interesting to see .
Oppo did that for a mobile phone (Find X2 Pro) that got 65W fast charging and got from 0-100% in around 34 minutes (I forget what exactly) by having their press launch take that exact time with a meter on screen.
@R.Jack Missed opportunity that someone will steal, since your idea was ... BRILLIANT.
Show it don’t Tell it.
You have no idea on how difficult shooting a video is, are you?
Quite incredible. Not just the fast charging, but also the huge ranges and low prices. Surely this will be the breakthrough we all need.
If it can make it out of china
Keep in mind NEDC range is wildly optimistic, take it with a container of salt more than a pinch. Their claimed "435 miles" is going to be more like 250 miles if you were to do real world driving and the car was in North America. Still really good especially for the price, but it really is a wonder why they haven't moved on from the grossly inflated NEDC numbers.
The other breakthrough will be the purchase price of car being comparable to current ICE priced cars.
curious what safety standard comes with these prices
If any of you think that the price will be comparable in the UK stop now it will be at least £30000 for the short range version. We are always over taxed and pay more for a product. The Chinese want to make as much profit as they can they only need to undercut the European cars by say £5000 and they will sell bucket loads. The VW id3 started at £29000 when it was launched now it £36000 and this was touted as the people's car. C Your current best bet is MG for a £26000 and that is the short range version of MG4 SE. Spec.
Once folks get to driving an EV, they will realize how few times that they need to use fast charging. But, of course having it is a *very* good thing.
Yeah, it’s something you rarely need-at least for people who have a place to charge overnight-but when you need it, you REALLY need it.
In cities where majority of the population stay in apartments.. it’s a bit different..
@@RyanWilliams222 to be honest, it is almost never really needed for personal use. Daily use you can charge at home, and for long road trips taking a 15 - 30 min coffee and bathroom break is fine. The biggest area where I can see this being actually an important factor is public transit and commercial transportation. An electric bus charging at the final bus stop for example, where they usually wait a short while anyways. This could enable electric busses without overhead power lines and no real charging downtime
exactly. I live in a condo in a mega city and I have used commercial fast chargers no more than 10 minutes in the 20 months of cureent bev ownership.
@@slayergut If you own a car, then it needs a parking spot - and there can/should be charging available there. That is easier/cheaper than fast chargers. Cars spend most of their time parked - so quick charging should only be *required* for longer trips.
When you can charge the car in less time than the video takes to watch
That's what I was thinking.
According to my iPad this video is over 11 mins in length so given the new battery technology we will be there in a few months. Get your check book out 😆
I'm assuming you haven't acclimated yourself to 2x speed yet.
Its called video editing. Also he charge from 29% to 80. It took 10 mins. 80-100 its even longer.
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
Damn…those engineers working behind those tech have my respect.
It evolved so fast.
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
I think there is a mix up in the video. The 3C with 520A at 410V results in about 520*410=220kW (already existing in several brands), not the 480kW claimed here.
I noticed that too, perhaps the charger is capable of 800V but the car is limited to 400V? There are definitely 800V cars around, Porsche Taycan for example.
558A x 769,6V makes 429,4kW - not the claimed 480 - even on 800V.
...or do you have 50kW charging loss?
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
562,8 Amp at 855,6 Volts = 481 kw, that was 81%. Have to reach higher volt, that's why the system in about 900 volts.
I noticed that, both charging figures were off.
“Just wait 30s for the fan to warm up; then I’ll starts the stopwatch”
Otherwise very impressive. And you don’t need to wait by the pump, holding the trigger!
99% of the time it is "plug in and walk inside" the other 1% is basically charge at destination. With 2 or so quick charge sessions per year,.where I only charge enough to get home, about 30min or so. Btw, I can only charge up to 43kW anyway at quick charge (but 22kW at lvl2 chargers, which is more valuable for me.)
You also often need to condition(prepare) battery If it's cold outside
@@ua420 you need to precondition the battery regardless unless its like 90-100f outside, but your nav should do that for you
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
That's shit. I can fill up my tank in less than a minute, and travel 900 km. Can your electric toys do the same? And who the fu** holding the trigger, there is a switch on pistol so u don't need to hold it.
The 3c battery is 522A x 414.4V = 216.32kW.
The 6c battery is558A x 769.6V = 429.44kW.
Where do you get 480kW from for the 3c?
And the 60 can't be right for charging time either?
Can you please double check and clarify the numbers, thanks!
Agreed the math was totally pathetic
And the unit as you show is kW, not Kw.
Pretty poor for an EV channel not to get the basics right.
@@mark123655 ccp says no this is right.
Amazing providing the battery health isn’t damaged as a result.
Agreed. It's easy to fast charge.
It's harder to fast charge and still have the battery in good order after one million miles or 8 years.
And I'm not sure if I'd trust a Chinese warranty.
the AION Y is really a great (and actually not so little) car. Bought one here in Guangzhou earlier this year and very happy with it. especially the leg space in the back row is fantastic for a more compact car.
not even considering the price, absolutely amazing, comfortable to drive with plenty little features.
Can you speak about electricity comsumption of this electric car?
No, we DON'T need extreme fast charging to transition people into EVs - we need EVs as affordable as cheap 2nd-hand ICE cars, like 3-5k, not bloody 23k, we need them available in other countries, we need the charging infrastructure available and we need power prices lower. Being able to upgrade the batteries on old 2nd-hand EVs to the latest tech would also be nice.
This exactly!
This vehicle is 15k USD as quoted in the video. No Idea what it would cost in the states.
@@porovaara I'm in Australia, and I used a straight conversion, but we simply do not have these cars or whole brands available.
How the hell do you think you get cheap used EVs other than selling them new in the first place? Or do you think auto manufacturers can produce a new car that costs $3k?
@@moonw0man Firstly, it's a fair point that some more expensive models will trickle down into a more affordable 2nd-hand market - no issue with that.
Secondly, Yes, I DO think manufacturers could WORK WITH GOVERNMENTS to produce an affordable car for low-income earners if they actually wanted to do anything about climate change and quality of life for said group, rather than it really being all about profit margins fro both the companies and the politicians - in exactly the same vein you could subsidise PV panels and a battery for every household under a certain income tomorrow, if you really wanted to.
You can see how cheaply China can make some of their vehicles - yes, that might be with lower safety and consumer protection standards (and workplace and engineering standards) but for a large proportion of people their relatively short-distance needs can be met with a very cheap vehicle, even new. Maybe it has to be a glorified golf cart or scooter or "Smart car" type of vehicle to begin with, but it can be done, and once there is a market there will be market competition that drives up what you get for your money.
I wasted loads of time refueling ICE cars. With an EV it just fills up overnight so no hassle. On the very odd occasion I have to use a public charger it's really not a big deal. Obviously not the case for people with no off-road charging ability.
This is a very good point. I've had an EV for 3 years, have only needed to charge at a public charger 7 times, the rest of the time I charge overnight - every morning a full 'tank'.
Obviously everyone's use case is different. I use my EV for daily commute (round trip 60 miles / 96 km). Don't own another vehicle anymore either. We thought we'd keep the ICE car for the 'long trips' but after the first year we realised it was just rotting on the driveway so we sold it.
The ONLY time an EV is limiting is a long road trip. I only can afford my PiP for now, and I hope to see more cars like this one with its kW/M range for the 70-80kWh battery pack making its way to America. The only good EVs we have are all out of most peoples budget or have abysmal range/charging speeds
Also you don't even have to charge every night.
The more people can charge at home, will give people using public charging a bit of reprieve.
Also, charging infrastructure sharing will further alleviate the problem.
Nonsense!!!!! It works for you because you have a place at home to charge! Not everyone has your same opportunities! Also for things like towing…… and a lot of ICE have bigger fuel tanks for even longer range…..
Great video, Elliot! Fantastic to see the fast development in charging technology. Small comment: at min 1:38 the amperage x voltage does not equal 480 kW. That's the charging power for the faster charging battery pack, isn't it? 😉
> That's the charging power for the faster charging battery pack, isn't it?
I thought so too, but that one only works out to 430kW. 😜
@@serversurfer6169 You are right! 559x769,6=430.206,4W
So they'll have to be raising one or both of the values in order to reach that peak power output of 480kW.
But still charging beyond 350kW is a fascinating speed. For me as an e-driver this will almost be too much of a hurry. A different experience having to unplug the car before you've even finished queuing for a coffee.
Could be the 30c outside hampering it a bit? Cause the difference is to little, cause 3c vs 6c is double the power
@@christianvanderstap6257 no. 522A x 414.4V = 216 kW.
And they even put 480 Kw. They need to get someone with a science or engineering background to do the graphics proof-reading.
Don't get me started on H20 ≠ H₂O.
The minimal degradation claimed, at the charge rate we saw, and for the number of cycles they cite, is far, far better than anything from any of the other EV makers. Too good to be true? I hope it's true. I fear it's not.....
Yes. This seems about as realistic as solar roadways.
Hyundai and Kia sell cars now which can charge in 18 minutes if you are on a 350kw charger. Tesla's can charge in about 20 minutes, however I think they will speed that up when they have more experience with the 4680 batteries in the wild. They sped up the charge speeds of the 2170 battery cars in 2019. I discovered that right after I bought a car with 18650 cells. My car is from 2015 and charges at a liesurely 45 minutes, but still has nearly all it's range after over 100,000 miles. The difference is likely to come down to China building it's electrical infrastructure within the last 50 years and a lot of the US infrastructure built 100 years ago. The US infrastructure needs upgrading to take advantage of the future advancements.
As long as it's cooled correctly it's fine... Look at the terrible Nissan battery Deg Vs Tesla/Hyundai
@@_TheElMan don't think the cable is the problem, is for the battery to support the high power and don't catch on fire. (I work with high power transformers, the cables from 40-60 megawatt traffo is not that thick. (different for the 250-400 megawatt)
I 'love' all the comments that.."It's still not as fast as filling with petrol". Goodness, look how fast this technology is changing! I've had a small EV for over 3 years. Comparing charging that older car to this video is crazy. Yes costs may well dictate where and when these charging units get deployed but IMO even this fast charger will be 'out of date' in 12 months
"...I 'love' all the comments that.."It's still not as fast as filling with petrol" - well, don't start the video saying "As fast as an ICE car". Moronic opening.
once the EVs are charging as fast or faster as a gas car can fill up, people will say "yes, but it does not smell like a car", regardless what EV breakthrough are done, certain people will always find some something wrong with EVs
Cries in 2014 Fiat 500e maxing at 6.6kW
For 60% of UK households for 95% of the time they'll never visit a Rapid charger, for the other 40% this may well be a boon, although for most folk it just needs a change in mindset from "I need to fill up" to "I need to park up at a fast charger". We needs more multi-outlet 50 - 100kW chargers.
@@derekchapman5167 if you include queing to pay, it is as fast as petrol
Wow... The options available in China are amazing. EV's in the UK are so far behind.... Years! Not to mention the difference in prices!!
In Norway we have quite a few 150kW, 200kW, 250kW and 300kW chargers. The problem is most cars can't charge at 300kW. However most chargers have two plugs, so often you'll see two 80kWh battery cars getting 150kW each, going from 20% to 80% in 20 minutes.
Try living in Australia... we are painfully behind the curve. WA has just announced with great fanfare that is installing the longest electric highway stating "Each charging location will be fitted with a standard charger and a 150kW DC fast charger". Why even bother with the standard charger (complete waste of space, time and money) and even the fast charger at 150KW will be considered slow by the time it has all been rolled out - they should be aiming for a 150KW and 300KW at each location. This video reminds me of the improvements in microchips where speed and memory were doubling every year. It won't be long before we park over a wireless pad for 60 secs and get a full charge, probably as we make our way through the drive thru fast food joint! 🤣
@@downwind_david One thing for sure.... If I could live in Australia, it would be my No1 choice.
@@gust1x I would like to move to Norway :)
Meanwhile in the UK we have motorway service stations with a miserable number of terrible chargers and government backed/taxpayer funded BritishVolt who don't seem to have any ambition at all. It's embarrassing.
nearly as expensive as driving a Ice car with current rapid chargers prices as well !
True alas. I have had a Leaf since 2018 and looking at a new long range AWD EV such as EV6, Model Y etc. But catastrophic state of non Supercharger infrastructure is an embarrassment. The UK government are owned by big oil, and now Truss is PM there is little hope.
this is great i cant wait to see these everywhere in.... 20 years
Missed Elliot's Videos 🤗,
Glad to see him on fully charged and info about the Chinese ev sector. Doing any Auto shows this year?
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The power electronics involved to make that happen must be incredible 🤯
Elliott seems more relaxed and fluid - big up yourself 🤟
Yeah i remember his reviews before he was on fully charged and the things he would say didnt always make sense but the last 2 videos iv seen of him now would make you think hes natural almost.
It "slows down" to 230kW 😱 that is insanely fast ...
The named battery degradation is hard to believe...
And the car prices are incredible... if such a car comes to Europe, it would blow all others off the market quickly... because that esp the small one would open it to absolutely everybody...
Even Tesla cannot compete with those numbers ...
Somehow it seems too good to be true...
That's because this manufacturer is losing money on every vehicle sold. CCP is keeping these companies afloat because they think long-term instead of quarterly profits. Not a value judgement on my part, just an observation.
Well that price is a conversion of what the price is in China where it's manufactured. For Europe & US you are then looking at import costs and tax on top too, which then increases the list price... Would probably still be cheaper than a Tesla though 😉
The degradation seems in line with modern lithium iron phosphate batteries. They probably achieve these charging speeds by dynamically switching the cell configuration and charging them in parallel.
@@jooptablet1727 that's why I like Chinese capitalism. All about improving technology. If the West was like this, then China would have no chance of competing.
Tesla V3/4 superchargers can do 500-600A at 400V (so a similar 240kW speed).
Fast charging is easy.. fast charging without reducing your range (ie. Harming the battery) is different.
Guess we will see in 5yrs whether these batteries hold up and the manufacturer isn't having to replace batteries under warranty.
That's impressive. It's really a massive amount of electricity flowing. Once that part of the puzzle can be reliably implemented, I wonder if we'll find the hardest part is not quick charging "a car" but supplying energy to hundreds or thousands of cars at once.
That would only be an issue at peak times. Eg: At 6-7pm of the drive home from work, where say 250,000 drivers choose to charge up each night.
where there is nuclear there is a way
@@JaboodyEnthusiast As long as there is the will to use it. The problem we have is too many politicians are listening to the death cult greenies.
Hence the debacle places like Germany and other European countries are facing.
@@JaboodyEnthusiast The time to build nuclear was 10 years ago. It's just not as fast to deploy or as flexible as renewable technologies
The vast majority of private EVs are, and will be in future, charged at much lower rates (and lower cost) overnight or when parked up during the day. This kind of extreme charging will definitely find a role, but it will be like filling an ICE car on the motorway - something expensive and to be avoided if possible.
Commercial vehicles will definitely do more of this kind of ultra-rapid charging, and I believe Tesla is rolling out multi-MW charging units for the Semi.
It was so fast that you missed showing us the peak kW!!!
Am I missing something? - I see 220kW - well we already have more than that in Europe.
That was 220kw at the end of the charge. Current cars might peak at higher than that when at a low charge percentage but by the time they get near full the rate is much lower.
It *sustained* 220kW all the way up to 83%... even quick-charging vehicles like Teslas (among the most cosistently quick-charging EVs available) are typically charging at less than 100kW by 80%.
@@logicalChimp Looks good on paper. I have my doubts on degradation and wonder about possible battery fires.
I stopped for petrol yesterday in Carlisle, because the garage(Tesco) had a low price, they was 2 cars waiting for each pump, it took me approx 18 minutes to put in half a tank.
Rising gas prices, not charging speed will convince people to switch to electric.
@@tdh7865 Long term gas prices will rise. As more EVs are on the roads, the less gas will be used. And gas prices will go up because of the loss of economies of scale. To go along with this, electricity prices will fall long term.
I don’t switch to EVs because I have to stay all night long looking at my car charging on AC…. That is too slow! /s
Why do we need these speeds? For once a year trips? My EV is already faster than ICE, it takes 5s to plug it in and it charges by itself, and I never have to visit dirty pump stations anymore!
A decent amount of people around the world don't have a way to plug their car into AC overnight
This sounds better than i think it is….. im skeptical….. but if works with all this specs from chargingtime to degradation its fantastic
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
Great video - packed with inspiring information - thanks 🙏
That's great. However, we never saw it go above 220kw. We already have several cars that charge faster than that, and a few that can do significantly faster than that. The Lucid Air does above 300kw, the Porsche Taycan does 270kw, the Ionic 5 and EV6 do 240kw, and most new Teslas reach 250kw. The Ionic 5 and EV6 go from 10-80% in 18 minutes, and those are larger batteries than the 60kw that this car you're charging has so it's adding significantly more kilowatts in that time (around 50kw vs. around 30kw here, so almost double). The Lucid adds 200 miles (322 kilometers) in 11 minutes. And those have been independently confirmed by actual owners, not a company's claims. So what is better here that is not already out? Can someone point it out to me?
Also, I noticed that it raises the AMPs to get to the 220kw shown, not the Voltage, which is really, really bad for the battery. As opposed to raising the voltage which is much easier on the battery. I'm confused about what is being shown that is any better than what we already have.
Agreed. Other companies have better more proven technology to deal with superfast charging like Hyundai, Porsche, and Tesla.
Bear in mind though all those vehicles are considerably more expensive.
The difference is in the battery, I think - which means it can *sustain* that charging level from 30% to 80% (even at 83%, it was still pulling ~220kWh). Most cars currently will hit their peak at around 10%-15%, and then charging rates will drop significantly, and plateau... then drop again around 50%, etc.
It's also likely that it did go higher than ~220kWh... but even if it didn't, that's a 50% charge (30-80%) in 10 mins... meaning it put over 35kWh into the battery in that time.
The voltage and current into a battery are inextricably linked. If you try to raise the voltage the current will go up accordingly. If the charger cannot provide the current, the voltage cannot rise.
Perhaps you are referring to 800-volt charging. In that case the battery is split into two parts that are temporarily connected in series rather than in parallel. With 800 volt charging it is possible to charge at twice the 400 volt rate without increasing the charging current.
@@rogerphelps9939 Actually, if the power level stays the same, then raising the voltage will *drop* the current. Watts = Volts * Amps
Wow. This is going from a meal break duration to a toilet break duration. Simply amazing.
I tell you what, 8 mins not enough for me to gobble up my lunch.
@@林振华-t4v exactly. Once the car is faster than human, who cares any more?
1:44 That's incorrect. AxV = 216kW
Astonished by this basic mistake by the "experts" - at 1:45, 522 amps x 414 volts is about 216 kW. The voltage figure is wrong, these systems are all 800 volts plus (880 - 1000 most likely). Amazed that they got this wrong.
For me fast charging is the most important factor in going electric. Currently we have to park our car on the road away from our house, and have no other charging options near work or our house. If we can charge it in under 10 minutes on the way to work it would mean we can finally go electric.
You can also try to get your municipality to install something level 2 in public space near you or have your work install one.
Same here. This is the breakthrough I've been waiting for. Hopefully it will be available in the UK soon.
I charge on a 50kW Rapid next to the supermarket, 40 minutes shopping equals a full charge, and no standing next to a petrol pump waiting to fill up. I also sometimes charge on the public car park 22kW chargers whilst I'm at work, again no waiting around and the car is easily fully charged by the time I finish work, despite my car only being able to take 3kW AC from the 22kW feed (it's a 2018 Nissan Leaf 30kW). Sometimes I charge at B&Q or other supermarket slow chargers. You don't need this crazy speed charging to go electric, you just need to look into where you can charge when shopping or at work, or at other places (pub/restaurant for dinner, sports centre, public car parks etc). I never have to wait for my car to charge, I'm always doing something else whilst it's charging.
@@JohnScarrott I thought that all Leafs apart from the early ones had 7kw charging. My 2015 Leaf certainly does. 3kw at level 2 is hardly better than plugging into a 13 amp socket.
@@JohnScarrott we know it is doable but that 40 minutes charging while shopping can be done how often without going purposely for charging? I mean I do long shopping sessions maybe once every two weeks but only spend like 5 minutes weekly at the gas station
I love Aion and am an investor of gac since early last year. Great to finally see a credible test of the fast charging. The 6c technology is the rumor of this company. Aion as a whole and the Toyota nevs are the main value. As is the market cap.
No investment advise.
Great video
Earlier this year, the "Megawatt Charging System" was unveiled, with its stated purpose being the service of emerging electric freight trucks.
Five years from now, we might be using it for passenger EVs =P
Great video but the charge rate overlays aren't quite right. 522A @ 414V = 216kW not 480kW. For 558A @ 769.6V = 429kW.
I always assumed this tech would evolve eventually, but never this quickly. well done to these clever engineers. The west really needs to pull up its socks.
I'm sure this is the only electronics industry in China that hasn't stolen 50%+ of what they started working with.
I would be happy just for working chargers
These kind of videos make me happy. 5% battery degradation after a million miles is amazing. This will change peoples opinions. Thanks 🙏🏼
Keep dreaming... That's total BS.
I really really doubt that claim unfortunately.
Even if it is half the miles and 8% it’s still better than the current battery degradation I reckon.
1 Million Kilometers not miles. That translates to about 621,371 Miles.
I'm at 60,000 MI 2 years of ownership my model 3 currently has roughly 10% battery degradation but hasn't gone past that
Using my car for 'feed in' when I'm not using it and running vertically free is why I'm going ev, speedy charging is nice to have, but connectivity is key in our energy deficit times.
your car runs vertically?!
@@OptimusMonk01 oops 🤣
So a 3C charging rate for an 80kWh pack is just 240kW, a rate that Tesla have had for years and several other companies as well. What would be impressive is if they are maintaining that rate from 0-80% since it is the area under the charge curve that denotes the energy that has been transferred. A bit more technical detail of the charge curve would have been very useful. A 6C charge rate is 480kW, which is definitely a change, but once again the charge curve needs to be understood to see what this means.
The other issue is the charging standards in use around the world. GB/T is officially limited to 250kW as far as I can tell, and CCS is limited to 350kW. MCS from CharIn can do 3.75MW but with a far larger connector designed for trucks. XPeng have a 480kW charging connector, but this gets into the same proprietary problems that Tesla have in the US and other markets where they use their slimline plug.
There is a long way to go before really fast charging becomes a reality, but this does look like a good first step.
Sure, but Tesla will sustain those 250kW not onger than 30% SoC. My Model 3 LR is Miles away from the charging curve shown, everything above 60% SoC at Tesla is boring slow.
Range isn't an issue, especially in UK. You travel 200+ miles. Stop to eat. The car is fully charged (if it support 100kw or more and has a 200+ mile range), and you keep going. Sure people will say stopping every 200-250 miles is too frequent but you try and make your family sit in the car for more than 2-3 hours without stopping, they'll not be happy if you try to make them.
The average US car trip is about 15km, in the EU about 35km. These chargers have some utility on the motorways, but 90+% of charging can easily be done overnight with basic home or local chargers.
Yes fine if you live in the countryside and wealthy. But China and most high population countries/cities live in high rise apartments or rent in shared flats with no access to home charging. Hell, most of my peers in the uk can't get an ev as they can't afford a house... If everyone incl lower income persons is to use ev, we need this technology & infrastructure
Countryside and rich?? I live in a city and could definitely charge my car at my house. I'm not exactly rich, but I do ok.
Will be great for towing and road trips, certainly unnecessary for most daily use. I’m sure it will be pricey/kWh, just useful in certain situations
@@charliecouzins7652 If you have parking and there is electrical infrastructure nearby, you can and should charge overnight. (Building codes are changing as we speak!) If you don't have parking, how do you own a car at all?
@@TaiViinikka it's called on street parking, you have no dedicated parking spot for your house and no way to run power to whatever space you end up in when you park up.
The issue I see in Australia is price for current gen fast chargers. In my area fast charging to get around 300km of range is comparable to a full tank of petrol ($70). It’s obscene to wait up to an hour to pay the same as a tank of petrol. If you fill up away from your home it will cost a fortune.
Charging isn't my problem, over priced EV's is much more of a concern. Sell those Chinese cars around the world for the same price & the ICE would die a vastly quicker death. Can I see that happening soon, no, likely never. And if energy prices keep rising so fast there may even come a time where EV's cost more to "fill up" too if you don't have any other options to charge.
The industry is feverishly trying to build the cars quickly enough to meet demand.
Does it harm the battery
As 80% of cars will still charge at home the infrastructure required will be radically smaller than that of today.
The majority may charge at home currently but that is simply because buying an EV is generally only a reasonable choice if you have a home and a garage to charge from.
Only 63% of owners of housing units, and 37% of renters have access to a garage or covered parking (2015 data) and likely very, very few of those spots have charger access.
While, theoretically you won't need nearly as many public chargers as we have gas pumps, given a notable percentage of owners that will be able to charge from home or office, there is still a insanely massive increase in fast charging units needed to get to where electric cars are an option for all.
That’s pretty amazing. I’m not an expert, but the chemical reaction of a battery recharging that fast is both welcoming and incredible.
It looks like a capacitor
@@Piccyman1 if it’s a capacitor, that’s going to be unusual as a cap isn’t really a viable energy storage solution. Very interesting to see what they’re doing.
Err is it me or is that no where near similar to filling a car with petrol?? By the time it took to warm up you'd be nearly completed
He should have started the timer right at the start, but on the other hand you can take time off for walking into the shop to pay and being stuck behind someone doing their Markies food shop in front of you. 😆
Q. "will it damage the battery?"
A. "No"
Who says ?
The people who will sell you a replacement battery.....
It is guaranteed for 1 Million Kilometres... If it does damage the battery then you'll get free one! They aren't going to offer that it they aren't certain it is safe!!
Once the charging speed is on par with fueling up a regular car, the ICE-holes will just complain about something else.
You can't take the caveman out of the cave.
Yes, they will fall back of having no soul in EVs due to no noise
Excellent video!. well explain and presented 👍
I once calculated the ‚charging‘ speed of our local gas station with our Opel/Vauxhall Astra. The result was about 19 Megawatts, so nineteenthousand kW. (8.5 kWh per liter)
In my opinion EVs don't need to get there, we just shouldn't claim they can be charged as quickly. I absolutely prefer EVs, but even if they're charged in the same time, that would be an apples to oranges comparison due to the different energy amount.
I think you are forgetting two things. ICE technology is hopelessly inefficient, so the fact that fossil fuels are energy dense is largely cancelled out by the fact that you throw away 70-80% of that energy as heat.
Secondly, filling an ICE car requires a special trip EVERY time, which nearly always requires longer to pay than to actually fill up the fuel, whereas the vast majority of EV charging is done on a “park, plug-in, go and do something else” basis.
One of the greatest pleasures I have as an EV owner is that I almost never have to rapid-charge it, so the days of standing next to my car holding a stinking fuel hose, and then going into a building to pay are history.
The battery will take a hammering with that coming into it I imagine
I filled our PHEV with petrol recently, 20 mins to drive to the petrol station, 6 mins queuing, 5 mins to fill, 8 mins to queue to pay (only one cashier at lunchtime) then 20 mins drive home so we were ready to go early doors next morning….nearly an hour to ‘charge’ with petrol. Meanwhile our EV was plugged in at home and charged on cheap rate power overnight for pennies, no drive no queuing and they say charging takes a long time ….really ??
Queue to pay? What country still has that? Last time I had to do that was over 20 years ago in some small French village.
You need someone to plan your day buddy.
Why are you leaving your house just to fill up? Everyone I know fills up when they 1) are low on fuel, 2) passing a station.
Wait times, queue to pay... hmm.
@@zapfanzapfan I needed a VAT receipt and the pumps printer was out of action so had to go to the shop and queue. It’s like that every single time I go, never find a pump with a working print-out and usually a mile long queue to pay. It’s faster if you fill up on the motorway….if you can afford to !
@@yehudagoldberg6400 3am start, didn’t fancy prattling around looking for an open station, didn’t fancy paying top dollar on the motorway either. It’s called ‘planning’
@@stevenbarrett7648 Ah. The shop part is usually never open when I fill up anyway, luckily the printers tend to work.
Great news. Between the price of the car and the charge speed, there aren't many roadblocks left to mass adoption.
Love the way the size of the screen scales with the charging speed. ;)
GAC Aion. A brand that is often overlooked, except in EV sales rankings. Aion Y has a firm position in top 20, outselling VW ID.3 and Hyundai Ioniq 5.
Holy crap, 15k for a new electric car with 400km range is quite amazing. Something tells me that soon electric cars will be kicking ICE cars ass
Well 15K in china anyway.
yeah probably without all the safety requirements that we have to have in Europe. Saves quite a bit of money i guess
You forget, for example UK, Government interference that will expand the price considerably for no benefit to the end user.
@@Thatsme849 More like it's because the Chinese EV scene being ultra competitive. Huge market filled with players that're just beginning to venture into rest of the world. Even Tesla has to sell for less there just to keep the edge.
Not just cars. Oh, I forget that everything in Europe naturally get expensive for...like no particular reasons.
@@Thatsme849 lol, what safty measures did u have in mind? they are all common nowadays.
Doesn't such fast charging degrade the battery faster?
Personally i don't mind 30+ mins charge time if the rage is 700+ kms
We must be the only ones who stretch their legs on a long drive
I think is more for the people who don't remember to get petrol until the 'empty tank' light goes on when they're on the way to the office, and need to refill fast... they'll do the same thing in their EV, and if it takes 30 mins to recharge, they'll be late... they're also (typically) the folk that prefer to charge to full, rather than just putting enough in for now, and charging 'properly' later - because that takes foresight and planning :p
@@jimmyryan5880 I would take a +700km range EV over a fast-charging ~350km any day, specially considering I could top that at home during the time my car is parked and then ignore the battery level during any single-day trip I could do
High speed charging is not as important as some people may think since at least 90% of charging is done while a car is parked somewhere, like at home, work or a shopping centre.
👏👏👏👏👏👏Love it, this gives me hope the future is brighter and cleaner.
I think most people don't understand that your EV is 'filled up with gas' every night automatically with at home charging. When someone hears 30 mins to charge they think of their current use of gas stations which is weekly. 30 mins every week seems like a lot. A mental shift for sure.
Very impressive, but I'm just not sure I believe those battery life claims when charging so aggressively.
Even it was 200k miles most cars don't see that
Even it was 200k miles most cars don't see that
Life4Po (lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries have next to zero degradation, on top that semi-solid state and solid state is coming literally in 2-3 years tops. Future is bright.
How much energy does the cable cooling system on the charger use?
I’m getting ready to buy my first EV. Let’s save this planet!
Yes!
there is a terrible misconception
0 local emisssion (which is actually not even true since tyres also produce very harmful emissions) doesn’t mean 0 global.
You would not save anything if you buy an EV. perhaps saving a 10 to 20% global emissions but that’s all.
you want to save the planet go by bicycle … maybe a small electric kick scooter to the maximum.
But if you think that EV is ecologic you got it all wrong.
@@farodopi5170 either side of this argument often have misconceptions and bad data. At the moment I agree with you about the order of magnitude, however EVs have the huge potential when coupled with renewable / non fossil fuel power generation, at which point it will be a Lot better than Ice. But yeah, ev alone is not much greener globally. But less air and noise pollution locally, charging at home (not having to go to gas stations) and much better driving experience (especially in cities) are very significant advantages on their own in my book
@@thorwaldjohanson2526 remember they have to mine for the baterry materials,people are too greedy to really save the planet,saving IT from,changes are inevitabile,all we can do,îs adapt to them
I walk
lol
I wonder what the implications of this for battery degradation are.
He literally talks about it in the video, watch and find out.
@UCJmb4q-8CxhZboL28joOP3Q Missed That, but that seems incredibly unlikely given modern battery technology but I could be wrong intersting stuff either way.
1:37 522A at 414V is about 216kW. If those numbers are correct then charging this thing is, on the face of it, less than 50% efficient.
Edit: The display at 4:24 makes a lot more sense.
Meanwhile, in the US, we still have large swaths of the country who don't even sell EVs, our largest non-Tesla charging network barely works, and we still think we're "the best." Ugh.
Extreme Charging plus super efficient cars equals to dream come true!
(3~5min from 30 to 80%)
Interesting; The challenges involved with thermal management with such high currents within the cells and the associated infrastructure are the hardest to overcome?
Amazing developments and nice for the odd road trip. Interested to know how much electricity is lost in the process, with all the cooling needed for the cables, the plug and in the car, and how it compares to 11KW AC charging or a more leisurely 150KW rapid charge. These can be considerable as a recent publication by the ADAC has shown.
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
For me if I can add 150km in 10 minutes I am good. We already have that kind of tech so when the prices of EVs go down to levels of gas cars, I am ready to switch.
We’ll be laughing at this in just a few years’ time when EV range is measured in months …
Ha! Right!
The starting of the timer when it starts charging and not after you plug in and the charger does all of it's initial setup before charging is EXTREMELY MISLEADING! The time should start as soon as you plug in the charger.
Were you purposely disingenuous?!?
I am sorry but if you need charging this fast to get convinced to go electric, you might need a therapist more...
I’d love to know how quick it will Knacker the battery. Plus Networks don’t have the capacity for this
Stop using that environment argument .. fake facts.
Insulate your house. Make it smarter by using Iot and sensors to turn off light automatically. Produce biogas and run your Spark engines on. Biodiesel and run your diesel engines. Biocoal ( fischer tropsch on poop just have a think) powered cars(steam cars are faster than electric car:) As an African I say pity Congo(colbalt)
This is amazing and game changing in terms of charging speeds and I personally think it's great - but I still know that there will be people that would still moan about waiting for 8 minutes. I guess there must be a limit to how safely you can charge a large capacity EV battery though
They should be moaning about how much time it takes to fill with petrol since the typical EV driver will spend Less than 1/10 of the time charging as they do filling with gas because you charge at home.
For personal car travel, this doesn't actually matter much, as the vast majority of charging takes place slowly at home.
Where I think this ultra-fast charging tech can really shine, though, is long haul trucking. In a business where time is money, charging speeds have to have times comparing with pumping diesel in order for electric semi-trucks to take off.
Don't believe a word of it. There are lots of Chinese EV makers making all sort of outrageous claims and its all BS. The car he drove charges no faster than most. CATL makes batteries for many EV makers, if this "new" battery were that special, all the other EV makers will have access to it and would be bragging about it as well.
that range to price ratio is insane, i would buy one immediatly if they were available in germany
and i thought tesla and mercedez and corrola are good lol lmao
Remember that the silver bullet rarely exists in this world. Ultra fast charging means huge spikes in power demant. In electric power delivery, a good measure is that everything quick and intense is very inefficient and typically that power does not come from solar or wind or even nuclear, but gas turbine that needs to quickly ramp up (again, inefficient and polluting). So if you really need this, it is better and more sustainable that you don't buy a new car and stay with your old petrol car
Very high speed charging is only possible if you have very large amounts of power available at the location. That seems obvious, but is always overlooked in the discussion which seem to focus only on the battery technology. If you want to put 50 kWh for example into a battery, whatever battery that might be, the power requirement gets huge as the time goes down. To do that in 2 minutes as you suggested in the video requires a power of 1.5 MW. If you have 3 charging stalls all of the sudden that site needs almost 5 WM of power capacity. That's the same as a large factory or a huge office building. Current petrol fueling stations only have power capacities of around 200 kW, so you aren't going to be converting those into fast charging sites.
Battery buffers can be used in such situations. Something like a tesla powerpack or a megapack.
They can continuously 'trickle' charge in the background with the pre existing electric infrastructure, and provide a higher power output while charging EVs
As an urban and rural planner, I think the reason it's not focused on is because it is so obvious, by the time these are being rolled out the amount of power generation in nation will have increased as we plan ahead. In my planning job not just do we know exactly how many of these stations are being built, because they have to apply for permission, we do future estimate assesments with ranges that show what the power generation is needed in the future.
that's why charging stations more and more are battery-buffered for those charge bursts.
WRONG! Thus why energy storage is soo important. I think more 100MWH scale mechanical / pneumatic energy storage system should be developed for big Charging Stations. That way they can stockpile energy during off peak and dump it when there is demand. 200kw is plenty
@@ash_pro_2000 Yes, but that will dramatically increase the station cost.
Having fewer charging stations simply defeats the object. You will increase the waiting time for the charging station to become available for the next customer. Also these current stations are impractical for your car to park. They need to be set up just like current petrol pumps; drive in / drive out; all in one direction.
At the moment my solar panels are charging my home batteries all the time I wonder what this means for home solar systems?
Fast charging is ICE thinking.
You’ll only need to fast charge while on the road if you can’t charge at home or your destination.
Once you have an EV, you DON’T want to fast charge.
Lol! "Without all the environmental side effects!"
I bet most of that electricity is coming from coal.
Sure In China, but not for many other regions around the world. Coal Generation is going BANKRUPT.
But it doesn't need to.
Even if that was the case it still works out cleaner than a fossil car, but I'm sure your aware even in China ( where they probably made your phone) there is a transition to renewables !
@@marvintpandroid2213 Why is China building a new coal powered station each week if renewables are truly economically and energy competitive.
We'd need to be discussing nuclear.
@@Neojhun Under current energy costs/issues, coal plants are coming back online again.
But the point is most power is generated via fossil fuels, and that won't change soon. Especially with idiotic moves rejecting nuclear.
This is crazy that charging at those speeds is already here! A few more years for the UK....
So, now we only need a few more coal burning electricity plants.
(calm calm, just trolling a bit and also feeding the yt algorithm)
You can't say people are hesitant just because of the charging time and power. There are millions of people who can't afford an EV. In your videos you should strive to consistently address the accessibility of EVs while simultaneously discussing other aspects.
There are millions of people who can’t afford a new ICE car either. It’s going to take another 5 to 7 years to get lower priced vehicles widespread in our western markets. They will come from China. MG already sell their MG4 in the UK at under £26k. That’s getting comparable with VW golf, Ford Focus and all. It’s happening.
you cant heat your homes ... where you gonna get the electricity to charge your ev?
from burning coal?
2:05 That's 430kW for those who don't have their calculator handy
What is the perceived impact to battery longevity using this with any regularity?
Elliot talks about this at 7:00
Its not ideal for battery life but away from home charging is not the regular way a car is charged for most people, if you only slow charge at home the occasional fast charge can actually be good for the battery.
7:20
@@JamesScholesUK yeah just got to that part, though I’m still skeptical. They can claim there is warranty and claim how much deg there will be but kinda a grain of salt type situation in my mind until a reputable third party can verify that.
@@marvintpandroid2213 totally, I just like thinking about worst case scenarios as a way to judge how well they’d perform for most use cases below that. Even here in the US with great consumer protection laws many have had issue with warranty work. Wonder how easy or convenient it is to do similar in China.
It's a non issue, for cars at least. Let's say it shortens the batter life by 2/3, which is quite pessimistic, it would still make it to 500 cycles and that would be 200k miles. Few cars reach that mileage.
For trucks though, it could be a problem, but then again, trucks should be charging at night so the driver can rest. And by then it doesn't need such fast charging.
Please search for Bochum university Life cycle analysis for solar cars. Please go through and judge if a 200kg li-on EV is green
it maxed out at 240kw, so nothing special, just normal evolution
Supposedly at 1:40 it says the battery can take 480kw, I think the 240kw shown on the charger is the charging rate at 83% charge, and the max charging rate was hit at lower state of charge to reduce battery wear?
Our man in China, good stuff, give the US ten years to catch up if the government doesn't mandate going back to Coal and OIL first !