Thank you for pointing out potential drawbacks before we spend our money and are disappointed. A stove with a pinpoint flame pattern is generally preferable for people using smaller diameter vessels, such as titanium cups, popular among the ultralight, long distance, or fast, hiker. I use alcohol, which burns very slowly, so I use a wide titanium pot to capture that lower heat output more efficiently, and I use a very protective windscreen and reflective anti-scorch shield under the stove. If I used this setup with a canister stove, it would surely explode! If I bought one of these stoves, I would buy the one with the wider burner head, because I will occasionally cook bacon and eggs the first morning out of town (plus, I hate burning soups and stews, something that is easy to do with thin titanium pots). Thanks for your insight.
Great video. Details well explained. Thanks. They both look like good stoves for differing niches. I think perhaps the reason for the larger than expected height between the burner and pot rests in the hornet II is that it is designed for use with the Fire Maple Petrel heat exchange pot which has slots to accommodate the pot rests, and this brings the base of the pot closer to the burner.
Nice well explained video, sir. I've seen a lot of tiny stoves out there, but this one is unique. I like the look and quality of it and actually like the ease of use of the pot stands, unfortunately they affect the flame a bit once they get hot, but still good none the less. Thanks for sharing and looking forward to watching more of your videos!
G'day Mark, the 116 seems to be more of an all rounder, where the Hornet makes more sense as a coffee/water boiling stove. Btw; I have very little experience with MREs, obviously one still needs the water to boil all round the packet, but do you think a pronounced central hot spot could then overcook the business in its central area ? i.e like a pan, but within the packet. I also wonder, what would be the effects of a wider diameter vortex type action on the Hornet. Cheers Duke.
MREs are already cooked or at least all those I ate for years were. You just need to heat water and then place the MRE pouch in that water while stirring the contents to ensure it heats evenly. If you keep your heat source on at the point you place the pouch in the hot water I would make sure the flame is low and that you stir the contents frequently until it’s evenly warmed. Bon appetit!
@@wanttogo1958Thanks for the reply mate, and fair call. I was just a bit concerned that since the Hornet is so intense centrally, it may be quite difficult, even with regular stirring, to avoid spoiling the end result. Thanks again for the benefit of your experience. Cheers Duke.
Have you seen the budget cookset (jetboil-esque) in the coming week's Princess Auto flyer? Might make a good item to review for the budget-minded. Cheers
I just checked it out. Looks very similar to the Fire Maple X1 I reviewed at almost the same price but with an additional small pot. I will give it some thought. Thanks for commenting
This stove head and support arms is the same head as their remote stove, with very similar performance The wide head is excellent for slow simmering on wider pots Especially with my heat exchanger pot But! The head is too wide to use on a standard 95mm 750 pot for just boiling water There is too much flame spread and heat spillage to be efficient The Hornet burner is much focused in this situation and is the more suited stove
If he doesn't mention the negatives, people will accuse him of preferential treatment and hawking one product over another. Brutal honesty is preferential over candy-coating, imho.
Wow! Your man-cave has a lot of kit. I thought I was doing well, but now I realise I'm a mere amateur compared to you, Mark.
My wife would say too much "junk"...ouch, that hurt just saying it😆. Thanks for commenting
Thank you for pointing out potential drawbacks before we spend our money and are disappointed.
A stove with a pinpoint flame pattern is generally preferable for people using smaller diameter vessels, such as titanium cups, popular among the ultralight, long distance, or fast, hiker. I use alcohol, which burns very slowly, so I use a wide titanium pot to capture that lower heat output more efficiently, and I use a very protective windscreen and reflective anti-scorch shield under the stove. If I used this setup with a canister stove, it would surely explode!
If I bought one of these stoves, I would buy the one with the wider burner head, because I will occasionally cook bacon and eggs the first morning out of town (plus, I hate burning soups and stews, something that is easy to do with thin titanium pots).
Thanks for your insight.
I agree. The Hornet is so fast and best suited to boil and rehydrate meals. This stove is more general purpose. Thanks for commenting
Thanks Mark for a good review and comparison of these two stoves.
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting
Excellent video ,as always,Mark.I appreciate your total checking of these products, unbiasedly,and common sense commentaries.Thanx!🤠
I appreciate that! Thanks for commenting
Thank you for this very thorough review of these titanium stoves
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting Alex
Thanks Mark! I finally found the answer to my very important question: Which stove is better for cooking pancakes? The FMS-116T. Can't wait to try it!
Great little stove. One of my favs. Thanks for commenting
Great video. Details well explained. Thanks. They both look like good stoves for differing niches.
I think perhaps the reason for the larger than expected height between the burner and pot rests in the hornet II is that it is designed for use with the Fire Maple Petrel heat exchange pot which has slots to accommodate the pot rests, and this brings the base of the pot closer to the burner.
Yes, you could be correct. I will try it out. Thanks for commenting
Nice well explained video, sir. I've seen a lot of tiny stoves out there, but this one is unique. I like the look and quality of it and actually like the ease of use of the pot stands, unfortunately they affect the flame a bit once they get hot, but still good none the less. Thanks for sharing and looking forward to watching more of your videos!
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting
Looks like the Optimus Crux Lite stove...which also has a foldable version.
Yes, I can see the similarities. Wonder how they compare in performance. Thanks for commenting
Great comparison between these lightweight stoves, excellent video as always! Thanks for sharing, take care and Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for commenting my friend
i've had this for.more. than a year but have not been using it as much...i like that its lightweight..
Thanks for commenting
Nice. Always an indepth review. Thanks. Stay healthy!
From nebraska🐄🐖
Just checked your weather. Almost the same as ours. Thanks for commenting
Great Stove Shared I Agree With The 2nd Stove Thanks For This Mark ! ATB T God Bless
Thanks for commenting Terry
Great informative video Mark. Thanks for sharing.
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting Steve
For long term storage I really appreciate a hard case. Does that flame stay yellow even with a pot cooking on top?
Yes, but it does not add soot as it is not unburnt gases. Thanks for commenting
Do you think you could fit a mini bic lighter in the case under the stove? Just wondering if there actually is enough room to some extras.
Unfortunately, no. It conforms to the stove very closely. Thanks for commenting
G'day Mark, the 116 seems to be more of an all rounder, where the Hornet makes more sense as a coffee/water boiling stove.
Btw; I have very little experience with MREs, obviously one still needs the water to boil all round the packet, but do you think a pronounced central hot spot could then overcook the business in its central area ? i.e like a pan, but within the packet.
I also wonder, what would be the effects of a wider diameter vortex type action on the Hornet.
Cheers Duke.
Lots of room left for experimenting with both these stoves. Thanks for commenting Duke
MREs are already cooked or at least all those I ate for years were. You just need to heat water and then place the MRE pouch in that water while stirring the contents to ensure it heats evenly. If you keep your heat source on at the point you place the pouch in the hot water I would make sure the flame is low and that you stir the contents frequently until it’s evenly warmed. Bon appetit!
@@wanttogo1958Thanks for the reply mate, and fair call. I was just a bit concerned that since the Hornet is so intense centrally, it may be quite difficult, even with regular stirring, to avoid spoiling the end result.
Thanks again for the benefit of your experience. Cheers Duke.
Have you seen the budget cookset (jetboil-esque) in the coming week's Princess Auto flyer? Might make a good item to review for the budget-minded. Cheers
I just checked it out. Looks very similar to the Fire Maple X1 I reviewed at almost the same price but with an additional small pot. I will give it some thought. Thanks for commenting
Hi all, would have liked to see some gas consumption figures in comparison of these two stoves,,,....,,,,,......?
They are in the video description. Thanks for commenting
Good review and comparison Mark , thanks for sharing YAH bless !
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting
This stove head and support arms is the same head as their remote stove, with very similar performance
The wide head is excellent for slow simmering on wider pots
Especially with my heat exchanger pot
But!
The head is too wide to use on a standard 95mm 750 pot for just boiling water
There is too much flame spread and heat spillage to be efficient
The Hornet burner is much focused in this situation and is the more suited stove
I agree. Right stove for the right pot. I see this one as more general purpose. Thanks for commenting
You know, you can re-purpose the case and fill it with Rampage coffee….😉 I like the wider head for non boiling purposes. ✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦
Thankyou, I was trying to come up with a purpose for it😊. I agree Jim, better for general use than many small ones
lol
Can it sear a steak . 😊
Maybe a little one in a tiny cast iron pan😅. Thanks for commenting
It seems as if you try a little too hard to find negatives with the products you review. Not necessary.
Maybe. My thinking is I want to potential buyers to know what I would like to hear before buying an item. Thanks for commenting
If he doesn't mention the negatives, people will accuse him of preferential treatment and hawking one product over another. Brutal honesty is preferential over candy-coating, imho.
Of course its necessary, i would prefer to know any potential problem before i buy it.