The issue with what you put up is promotion and relegation leagues have roughly the same number of teams in each group and ARENT geographical. There are geographical leagues at the lowest tiers but they have to do regional CFB style playoffs to get into a national league before entering the pros. Honestly a cool idea would be if you took the SEC/B1G split off league that's rumoured and created a top league (the NFL), a second tier (the NFL 2) and then have say, 4 regional leagues (CFL, US East, US West and LMX) the top 4 play in a playoff against the worst NFL 2 or something with the NFL and NFL 2 having say 16 teams, that way they can play each other home and away and have a full season. Just pulling this idea clean out of my rear. If not you could keep regional leagues and just have a lower league beneath them. Say the worst CFL team gets sent to the CFJL
You're dealing with levels of abstraction here, and this wouldn't happen because money, but since the video exists: The top league, the NFL, likely needs to change what that 'N' means as an international league. The CFL probably fields worse teams pound for pound than the UFL. And you'd probably shift teams down when buidling the system. You wouldn't want so many teams in the top league. You'd probably do something like 24>12>12>10 or even 20>16>12>12. Food for thought if you're looking to farm additional content off the concept.
Leagues that use promotion/relegation actually tend to distrubute teams evenly across divisions, sometimes almost all of the divisions have the same teams. So the total number of teams used in this system is 58, and we have four divisions. It should be like this: *National Football League (NFL): 15 teams* (Starts with the top 15 NFL teams, last place in overall standings gets relegated, second-to-last in overall plays play-off to NAFL runner-up) *North American Football League (NAFL): 15 teams* (Starts with the next 15 NFL teams, Championship winners promoted to NFL, last place in overall standings gets relegated, second-to-last in overall plays play-off to UFL runner-up) *United Football League (UFL): 14 teams* (Starts with the 2 worst NFL teams, 9 CFL teams and the top 3 UFL teams, Championship winners promoted to NAFL, last place in overall standings gets relegated, second-to-last in overall plays play-off to GFL runner-up) *Gridiron Football League (GFL): 14 teams* (Starts with the 5 other UFL teams and 9 LFA teams, Championship winners promoted to UFL). And abolish the regions system. Everything is going to be like the LFA at all times.
Also since we're there, let's go full-NBA and make an In-Season tournament where all 58 teams are involved. Games there are played on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays, which meant regular season games are played on Mondays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Sundays. At the start of the season the NFL champion and the In-Season tournament champion will play a friendly "charity shield" game to, as the name suggests, raise money for charity. If the NFL champion also won the In-Season tournament, the second-placed team from the NFL's overall rankings, the one used to decide relegation, are brought in, NOT necessarily the one that lost the Super Bowl.
For the sake of being even I'd also add 2 more teams in the system, Mexico City Reds (folded last season, used to play LFA) and Atlantic Schooners (a bid for CFL requested by so many people) making it 60 teams, 4 tiers of 15
I don’t know if this would work well. The best way we could have pro/rel in American football is college. You could do it two ways, either have 5 power conferences that are regional so SEC in the south, ACC on the east coast, Big Ten in the midwest, Big 12 in the Southwest/Central US and PAC 12 on the west coast. Each conference has 14 teams with the bottom two going down and the top 2 playing in the CFP. The leagues below would be about the same region so the 2nd tier in the south would be the SBC, the 2nd in the Midwest would be the MAC, AAC in the East coast, C-USA in the central and MWC in the west coast. More regional based conferences at tiers lower. Every NCAA school with football could be part of this pyramid and could grow to add NAIA schools. Now my preferred format would be the Super League format. The top division would be a national league of the top 20 teams, so we get teams from all across playing each other, the top 8 play in the playoffs and the bottom 3 are relegated. The next 3-4 leagues below could be national still with 20 teams each, top 2 go up with a 3-6 playoff and the bottom 3 go down. After tier 5 let’s say, it splits into regional so like an East and a west league, which can continue splitting till we get to the bottom. The leagues wouldn’t take conference names so the top division would probably be called Division 1 or the Premier Division or something like that. I would personally be a fan of that so we could see big matchups each week, because the leaders of CFB have already established that regionality and rivalries no longer matter, so let’s just have a super league instead
As a European, I can't imagine a major league without relegations. The fight to avoid relegation is the most exciting part of the season for the bottom half of the teams. One bad season and you are down, it adds a sense of justice to being among the best: only those who deserve it survive up there. It also adds new contenders every year which makes it more interesting. And then there is promotion after a hard season's effort, one of the greatest celebrations a non-elite team can imagine. I can't imagine a league without these dynamics
Like I said, I don’t watch soccer. But after making this video and doing research on the concept of promotion/relegation, I actually am really into the concept now. Would be cool to see something like this actually happen. Obviously the NFL would have no interest in doing so, but I had a lot of fun speculating it
@@sportsmanlikemisconduct it would add a lot of excitement and drama, but of course it wouldn't benefit those clubs who are supported by your current system
Actually promotion/relegation is a really simple concept, and its happen to exist because every city has a team in the soccer, and relocation/franchises inst a thing
Personally I'd do it like this => 60 (the 58 in the vid plus Atlantic Schooners (very popular CFL bid) and Reds de la Ciudad de México (just folded last season, played in LFA) 3 tiers of 20 teams, which will be configured like this after realignment => Tier 1 => 14 NFL teams, 4 CFL teams, 1 UFL and LFA team Tier 2 => 10 NFL teams, 4 CFL teams, 3 UFL and LFA team Tier 3 => 8 NFL teams, 2 CFL teams, 4 UFL teams, 6 LFA teams To set up the tiers, there will be a 5-year aggregate table for each league to determine each teams' tier, only regular season results count Each league will have a single table (no conferences or divisions!), playing once against everyone else (19 games) Tier 1 => - Top 8 goes to playoffs to determine champions of N. America - Bottom 3 gets relegated, 17th placed team play in a playoff Tier 2 => - Top 3 goes up automatically - 4th-10th play a playoff tournament with the 17th placed team of tier 1 to determine who grabs the 4th and last spot - Bottom 3 gets relegated, 17th placed team play in a playoff Tier 3 => - Top 3 goes up automatically - 4th-10th play a playoff tournament with the 17th placed team of tier 2 to determine who grabs the 4th and last spot - Bottom 4 teams stay in the league (because it's already the lowest tier) How do playoffs work? - All the playoffs follow the same format - Single-elimination, one game per matchup - Higher seeded team hosts (17th place in promotion playoffs are always highest seed) EXCEPT for the Tier 1 playoffs (which is equivalent to the Super Bowl) Also, there will be another competition, where = - There will be 60 teams - March Madness style tournament (single elimination, single game tournament), but top 4 teams in previous season's tier 1 gets a bye (in the first season it'd be the best ranked team in each of the 4 old leagues) - Winner gets to play against tier 1 winner in a season opener
The gap between the NFL and the other leagues are much wider than the gaps between any of those leagues. I would suggest a simple two-tier system where the NFL is the top league and each of the smaller leagues are regional second tier leagues. Have the championship team from each of the second-tier leagues be promoted to the NFL, and have the NFL relegation system work thusly. Teams who finish 4th in each division are the ones in danger of relegation (which keeps the divisions relevant in the NFL and also makes late-season games of teams with no chance of making the playoffs still matter). During Wild Card weekend, each NFC 4th place team plays its AFC counterpart (HFA determined by season record), with the four winners of those games making themselves safe from relegation. During the divisional round, the four losing teams are divided into two games. The losers of both those games are relegated. The winners go to a final game, played during the conference championship weekend, where the winner stays in the NFL and the loser is relegated. The northernmost of the relegated teams is dropped to the CFL, the southernmost to the LFA, the remaining team to the UFL. Realignment of NFL divisions occurs annually in the offseason.
If promotion/relegation is ever implemented, the levels should be even. I'm stealing a lot of ideas from what they have in European soccer. There are 32 NFL teams, 9 CFL teams, 8 UFL teams, and 9 LFA teams. That's 58 teams. What should happen is there should be 6 more teams added to expand to 64 teams. The AFL has 8 teams right now, so fold 2 more and that's our 6. And then have 8 levels with 8 teams in each level. Then the regular season is just a home and home game against the 7 other teams in each level for a total of 14 games. Promotion/relegation is then based on the 14 games that are played. In Europe, the bottom 3 teams in the higher level are relegated and the top 3 teams in the lower level are promoted. That can't work if each level is 8 teams because if you're in a middle level, you're swapping out 6 of the 8 teams every year. So the best would be the top and bottom switching(giggity) and the playoff game. Also what runs parallel to the regular season in Europe is a knockout playoff bracket that begins at the lower levels and the higher levels receive byes, where there is ultimately a playoff winner. The playoff bracket is based on the previous year's standings. With these two competitions running concurrently, at the start of every season the previous year's regular season champion of the top level plays against the previous year's playoff champion in something called a "Super Cup" game. So for these teams with the 14 regular season games, plus the playoff bracket running concurrently, we're not looking at a deduction of the number of games at the higher levels of play.
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Have the rule set switch every quarter
Should have renamed the CFL the Continental Football League.
The issue with what you put up is promotion and relegation leagues have roughly the same number of teams in each group and ARENT geographical. There are geographical leagues at the lowest tiers but they have to do regional CFB style playoffs to get into a national league before entering the pros. Honestly a cool idea would be if you took the SEC/B1G split off league that's rumoured and created a top league (the NFL), a second tier (the NFL 2) and then have say, 4 regional leagues (CFL, US East, US West and LMX) the top 4 play in a playoff against the worst NFL 2 or something with the NFL and NFL 2 having say 16 teams, that way they can play each other home and away and have a full season. Just pulling this idea clean out of my rear. If not you could keep regional leagues and just have a lower league beneath them. Say the worst CFL team gets sent to the CFJL
Love the idea of promotion and relegation. Big soccer fan!
You're dealing with levels of abstraction here, and this wouldn't happen because money, but since the video exists:
The top league, the NFL, likely needs to change what that 'N' means as an international league.
The CFL probably fields worse teams pound for pound than the UFL.
And you'd probably shift teams down when buidling the system. You wouldn't want so many teams in the top league. You'd probably do something like 24>12>12>10 or even 20>16>12>12. Food for thought if you're looking to farm additional content off the concept.
Leagues that use promotion/relegation actually tend to distrubute teams evenly across divisions, sometimes almost all of the divisions have the same teams. So the total number of teams used in this system is 58, and we have four divisions. It should be like this:
*National Football League (NFL): 15 teams* (Starts with the top 15 NFL teams, last place in overall standings gets relegated, second-to-last in overall plays play-off to NAFL runner-up)
*North American Football League (NAFL): 15 teams* (Starts with the next 15 NFL teams, Championship winners promoted to NFL, last place in overall standings gets relegated, second-to-last in overall plays play-off to UFL runner-up)
*United Football League (UFL): 14 teams* (Starts with the 2 worst NFL teams, 9 CFL teams and the top 3 UFL teams, Championship winners promoted to NAFL, last place in overall standings gets relegated, second-to-last in overall plays play-off to GFL runner-up)
*Gridiron Football League (GFL): 14 teams* (Starts with the 5 other UFL teams and 9 LFA teams, Championship winners promoted to UFL).
And abolish the regions system. Everything is going to be like the LFA at all times.
Also since we're there, let's go full-NBA and make an In-Season tournament where all 58 teams are involved. Games there are played on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Saturdays, which meant regular season games are played on Mondays, Thursdays, Fridays, and Sundays.
At the start of the season the NFL champion and the In-Season tournament champion will play a friendly "charity shield" game to, as the name suggests, raise money for charity. If the NFL champion also won the In-Season tournament, the second-placed team from the NFL's overall rankings, the one used to decide relegation, are brought in, NOT necessarily the one that lost the Super Bowl.
For the sake of being even I'd also add 2 more teams in the system, Mexico City Reds (folded last season, used to play LFA) and Atlantic Schooners (a bid for CFL requested by so many people) making it 60 teams, 4 tiers of 15
0:24 the first F bomb I have ever heard from him. But Thant if fine by me
I used to toss that word around a lot. I’ll drop them every now and then these days though lol
I don’t know if this would work well. The best way we could have pro/rel in American football is college. You could do it two ways, either have 5 power conferences that are regional so SEC in the south, ACC on the east coast, Big Ten in the midwest, Big 12 in the Southwest/Central US and PAC 12 on the west coast. Each conference has 14 teams with the bottom two going down and the top 2 playing in the CFP. The leagues below would be about the same region so the 2nd tier in the south would be the SBC, the 2nd in the Midwest would be the MAC, AAC in the East coast, C-USA in the central and MWC in the west coast. More regional based conferences at tiers lower. Every NCAA school with football could be part of this pyramid and could grow to add NAIA schools. Now my preferred format would be the Super League format. The top division would be a national league of the top 20 teams, so we get teams from all across playing each other, the top 8 play in the playoffs and the bottom 3 are relegated. The next 3-4 leagues below could be national still with 20 teams each, top 2 go up with a 3-6 playoff and the bottom 3 go down. After tier 5 let’s say, it splits into regional so like an East and a west league, which can continue splitting till we get to the bottom. The leagues wouldn’t take conference names so the top division would probably be called Division 1 or the Premier Division or something like that. I would personally be a fan of that so we could see big matchups each week, because the leaders of CFB have already established that regionality and rivalries no longer matter, so let’s just have a super league instead
Divisions become absolutely pointless in this system
Now that would be a lot of movement
“C’mon guys I’m not seeing enough movement!”
As a European, I can't imagine a major league without relegations. The fight to avoid relegation is the most exciting part of the season for the bottom half of the teams. One bad season and you are down, it adds a sense of justice to being among the best: only those who deserve it survive up there. It also adds new contenders every year which makes it more interesting.
And then there is promotion after a hard season's effort, one of the greatest celebrations a non-elite team can imagine.
I can't imagine a league without these dynamics
Like I said, I don’t watch soccer. But after making this video and doing research on the concept of promotion/relegation, I actually am really into the concept now. Would be cool to see something like this actually happen. Obviously the NFL would have no interest in doing so, but I had a lot of fun speculating it
@@sportsmanlikemisconduct it would add a lot of excitement and drama, but of course it wouldn't benefit those clubs who are supported by your current system
To be fair there is the draft
UFL Expansion concept?🙏
Actually promotion/relegation is a really simple concept, and its happen to exist because every city has a team in the soccer, and relocation/franchises inst a thing
THE WAIT IS OVER 🙌
Personally I'd do it like this =>
60 (the 58 in the vid plus Atlantic Schooners (very popular CFL bid) and Reds de la Ciudad de México (just folded last season, played in LFA)
3 tiers of 20 teams, which will be configured like this after realignment =>
Tier 1 => 14 NFL teams, 4 CFL teams, 1 UFL and LFA team
Tier 2 => 10 NFL teams, 4 CFL teams, 3 UFL and LFA team
Tier 3 => 8 NFL teams, 2 CFL teams, 4 UFL teams, 6 LFA teams
To set up the tiers, there will be a 5-year aggregate table for each league to determine each teams' tier, only regular season results count
Each league will have a single table (no conferences or divisions!), playing once against everyone else (19 games)
Tier 1 =>
- Top 8 goes to playoffs to determine champions of N. America
- Bottom 3 gets relegated, 17th placed team play in a playoff
Tier 2 =>
- Top 3 goes up automatically
- 4th-10th play a playoff tournament with the 17th placed team of tier 1 to determine who grabs the 4th and last spot
- Bottom 3 gets relegated, 17th placed team play in a playoff
Tier 3 =>
- Top 3 goes up automatically
- 4th-10th play a playoff tournament with the 17th placed team of tier 2 to determine who grabs the 4th and last spot
- Bottom 4 teams stay in the league (because it's already the lowest tier)
How do playoffs work?
- All the playoffs follow the same format
- Single-elimination, one game per matchup
- Higher seeded team hosts (17th place in promotion playoffs are always highest seed) EXCEPT for the Tier 1 playoffs (which is equivalent to the Super Bowl)
Also, there will be another competition, where =
- There will be 60 teams
- March Madness style tournament (single elimination, single game tournament), but top 4 teams in previous season's tier 1 gets a bye (in the first season it'd be the best ranked team in each of the 4 old leagues)
- Winner gets to play against tier 1 winner in a season opener
Promotion and relegation would be amazing to see with minor league teams.
I do love the idea of a promotion-relegation system especially for such a huge NA league, unfortunately it would never happen :(
Could you imagine the kvetching if the Dallas Cowboys were relegated?!
We need expansion to make things more even. You could use some of the "If you could put a NFL team in this state" community post you have.
The gap between the NFL and the other leagues are much wider than the gaps between any of those leagues. I would suggest a simple two-tier system where the NFL is the top league and each of the smaller leagues are regional second tier leagues. Have the championship team from each of the second-tier leagues be promoted to the NFL, and have the NFL relegation system work thusly.
Teams who finish 4th in each division are the ones in danger of relegation (which keeps the divisions relevant in the NFL and also makes late-season games of teams with no chance of making the playoffs still matter). During Wild Card weekend, each NFC 4th place team plays its AFC counterpart (HFA determined by season record), with the four winners of those games making themselves safe from relegation.
During the divisional round, the four losing teams are divided into two games. The losers of both those games are relegated. The winners go to a final game, played during the conference championship weekend, where the winner stays in the NFL and the loser is relegated.
The northernmost of the relegated teams is dropped to the CFL, the southernmost to the LFA, the remaining team to the UFL. Realignment of NFL divisions occurs annually in the offseason.
Or call them NAFL1, NAFL2, and so on
If promotion/relegation is ever implemented, the levels should be even. I'm stealing a lot of ideas from what they have in European soccer. There are 32 NFL teams, 9 CFL teams, 8 UFL teams, and 9 LFA teams. That's 58 teams. What should happen is there should be 6 more teams added to expand to 64 teams. The AFL has 8 teams right now, so fold 2 more and that's our 6. And then have 8 levels with 8 teams in each level. Then the regular season is just a home and home game against the 7 other teams in each level for a total of 14 games. Promotion/relegation is then based on the 14 games that are played.
In Europe, the bottom 3 teams in the higher level are relegated and the top 3 teams in the lower level are promoted. That can't work if each level is 8 teams because if you're in a middle level, you're swapping out 6 of the 8 teams every year. So the best would be the top and bottom switching(giggity) and the playoff game.
Also what runs parallel to the regular season in Europe is a knockout playoff bracket that begins at the lower levels and the higher levels receive byes, where there is ultimately a playoff winner. The playoff bracket is based on the previous year's standings.
With these two competitions running concurrently, at the start of every season the previous year's regular season champion of the top level plays against the previous year's playoff champion in something called a "Super Cup" game.
So for these teams with the 14 regular season games, plus the playoff bracket running concurrently, we're not looking at a deduction of the number of games at the higher levels of play.
We need expansion to make things more even. You could use some of the "If you could put a NFL team in this state" community post you have.