@@DanLe-vr9cj I actually didn’t know that! That’s pretty cool. Of course my favorite is Champions League, though it’s not really playoffs it feels like it
As a MLS enjoyer, I think the worst thing is the salary cap, even without relagation, it is still enjoyable, like for hockey exemple, no relagation and it is very entertaning to watch.
I agree, I think the salary cap is much more of a negative effect than lack of pro/rel. honestly they can keep the cap, but it’s too low! If they raise it that would help
@@SoccerScenarios True, there is good and bad but if we only talk about the NA, but internationaly, it hurt us, and our concurence against other leagues.
@@scieto_qc9309 absolutely. And if we are going to compete with even the Mexican league, I think we need to increase it. I still think liga mx is overall the better league. With the new club World Cup expansion, if we want to compete, it’s a requirement!
Ehhh. I’m not so sure. It’s not the salary cap it’s more of the transfer rules in the mls. I quite like the salary cap because it makes the league more interesting rather than it be dominated by big market, rich teams.
@@floridaman478 the issue isn’t a salary cap, it’s how low it is. They’d be fine if they just expanded it. Imo it’s about 4 times too low, if they are truly trying to become a top 5 league.
Interesting ideas but having such a massive top league would have such a devastating affect on the players, mostly on their fitness. Player in Europe already complain about having too many fixtures playing 38 domestic games and so many domestic and potentially continental cup ties. Maybe copying the European league model with more regionalisation would be good considering how large the US is.
I definitely agree with you! I wish instead of one massive league, they would split the American top league into regions. Especially if there’s no pro/rel, because then we simply have more clubs. The problem with that would be dilution of talent plus we’d miss out on bigger teams playing such as LA Galaxy vs Inter Miami. I think the option of 1 game per opponent per season is a good compromise and wouldn’t be surprised if they switch to that.
You say players in Europe complain about having too many games but then say we should replicate Europe in back to back sentences. There’s 29 teams in the MLS now and they only play 34 matches, less than European leagues
i mean, you could go with 16 MLS clubs and then a series of 3 regional divisons, East, West and Central with 20 teams ro whatever. Top teams from each of the leagues below are proted and three are relegated and placed in the relavant conferences below geographically like in the English pyramid from conference north adnd south in to the main national conference. (well "national league" now as is"). Even if you kept the 20 teams i don't see how ficxture congestion would be nearly as bad as it would be in the eruo-leagues without the insanity of the champions league. 20 team MLS with 4 going down, three national leagues below and a play off system between the 3 second place teams in those conferences for the fouth promotion slot. Or if you really want to americanise it - have the 4th bottom team in the MLS enter the play offs with the teams below to try and retain their position I am an old man, i remember when the top flight of English football had 24 teams, but Euro football was straight knockout all the way. Domestic football isn't what causes ficture pile ups (outside of the lower leagues without weatherised picthes)
Well for example if you pick top teams from UK they play in: Premier League, two domestic cups, Champions League, and to add to that they need to send players to national teams. So think of it the way that US clubs could only play in MLS, and some whatever international cup games which ain't really important on their continent. Basically you can focus only on MLS even if team needs to play 60 games in MLS or something. Also it could be made in a fun way like you play one round - 35 games, basically one game against each team, and then you move into your conference. Or you start in conference with like 7 games, then do that 35 and then play-offs. Different take would be 35 games and then Swiss system, like the one which will be in Champions League in season 24/25, and then normal play offs.
Whats interesting is USL2 teams have a lot of college players, since they are mostly semi pro, they kind of make up the spring summer season for these players who play fall soccer with their colleges
That is absolutely the truth. I wish there was a way to ‘force’ this to happen in-game to make the USL2-NCAA combo more realistic but I’m yet to figure that out
I’m doing a similar save in FM24 with a local team that’s in USL League 2 found a database on UA-cam. This is definitely going to be my next save project with a college save. Thanks for posted the database. You earned a sub.
Thanks for the kind words! This is for FM23 technically, but I’m planning on releasing a save file with it for FM24 soon! I’ll pin a comment on this video once I do.
I use to be critical of the MLS system, but now I can see why it makes sense in a way. The US is not just a country like England where Chelsea and Spurs can exist in the same location, the US is a whole continent so travelling end-to-end week in and week out just wouldn't work. I remember Pirlo having similar complains about the unusual long distance travelling. So this system work cause East Coast vs West Coast is already engrained into US culture, so it's better to create a league around that system since it's a proven formula that works.
First off, Great job! I see you've put a lot of effort into it! Second, I would really like it if you went through each league and listed all of the teams, just so we know what to expect. You don't have to though!
Thank you for that! I appreciate it :) For the second part I usually don’t go through all leagues as it cuts down on video retention, which can in turn hurt the video (as far as I understand, I’m of course not a UA-cam guru 😂) I’ll take it into consideration for future databases though!
I think the MLS is way to young to add promotion and relagation. First off they need to build bigger fan bases and with footy growing more and more in USA and canada I can see it happen in 10 or so years, especially after 2026 WC.
I think it would be okay but I just don’t think MLS would do it. If they could poach any USL teams for a second division that actually could get promoted, I think it would work, similarly to the database. But as long as MLS is able to call the shots we won’t see it
I think it'd be good for them to start it in the lower tiers 1st to let the fanbase and hype grow, then introduce MLS into the whole pyramid once the system is properly established and they've created a good financial safety net. Like maybe pro-rel for USL Championship down to UPSL. it could go: USL Championship - USL 1/NISA - USL 2/UPSL/NPSL-(Eventually more local leagues).
@@SoccerScenarios With the current valuation of the clubs, no American owner is going to risk their now-billion dollar investment turning from sure thing, into a gamble to stay up. Had promotion/relegation been in place in the 90's for MLS, there would have been that mutual understanding.
The promotion and relegation thing between the MLS and USL Championship is a little bit confusing with the play-offs. I assumed that the top 16 teams from the USL Championship would face off against each other in 2-legged games(like Europa League or Conference League playoffs in Europe for knockout stage). I then assumed that the winners of those games would then face off against the 8 other MLS teams that are just above the last-placed team. I then assumed it would be like the relegation play-offs like how they do it in Germany and the only difference would be that there is more teams. This is also similar to the Europa League or Conference League playoffs in Europe for knockout stage.
Relegation without relegation. 1. MLS future: 40 teams divided into 2 levels. Top level 20 teams and lower level ' dog house ' 20 teams , only 1 conference. 2. Every half of the season the bottom 10 teams from top would be ralegated to the dog house and the top 10 teams from te dog house would be promoted to the top level. And the next year season will be the teams will start from the places that they ended previous season. 3. Each team will play 38 games , no playoffs! Beacouse the entire seasson will be like playoffs. Champion of the fall will play champion of spring in MLS cup. The season will start in july /august and end in may/june. In this way we can streach the season more if teams from colder locations start hosting later and stop hosting earlier. Mls cup will be in june. 4. in this system MLS clubs will play total 15% more games than before. It does not make sanse that half of the teams end season sooner than the rest. 5. It would be a nice compromise between relegation/promotion and the current system of far niente were many players love to finish the season sooner! 6. There are would be no safe middle of the table place , it will be easy to be relegated and easy to be promoted. 7. The revenue would be divided between franchises the same way as before so the teams in the dog house would no suffer financially. 8. This system would create a lot of excitments all year long.
The good thing about MLS is the fact you don't see teams passing back to the keeper. It's about going out to score . Also a different team winns most seasons. Which is nice .
Damn it, do I play as Riverhounds and start fairly high up (tier 2, and probably one of the favorites to move up to tier 1) or do I play as Pitt or Robert Morris and take the hard route...
The college level in the database honestly isn’t too difficult, I did my own playthrough and won the national champ in the first season 😂 I’d go Riverhounds and take them to the top!
I would have 12 team prem, 12 championship west & 12 team championship east. 4 x 12 team conferences at league 1 level and 8 x 8 team conferences at League 2 level.
I have been trying to learn the pre-game editor to do a few things to the MSL. 1. Remove the Salary cap and contract types. 2. Allow for prize money and/or distributed money to help grow the clubs. Unfortunately, can't seem to figure out how to do it yet.
Yeah, editing the USA is difficult. Once you go into the mls to change things, it usually breaks how mls works (salary cap, draft, etc) That’s honestly why I settled on this alternate system. Plus, I honestly don’t care to think about the mls rules 😂😅
These are the reasons the MLS is completely fine. 1. The Salary Cap. Could it be a bit higher, yes. But this is the one thing that stops clubs to overly spend on players. It keeps every team competitive and ensures every team actually has a real chance of winning. Just look at how many teams in the NHL, NFL, MLS, and MLB have switched winning teams over the years. A team may win 2-3 times in a row but that's it. 2. No promotion/relegation. The reason I say this is for 2 key reasons. Firstly, it would be hard for a smaller club to be able to even play in the MLS due to the Continent-wide travel that you don't have to deal with in England, which makes change really hard to adapt too. Secondly even with divisions, having too many like 4 isn't an option as Traveling the Mississippi river is way different than traveling the entire 38th parallel. Plus, the fact each state could be considered a country. It also makes sure nobody tries to spend SOOO much just to collapse after failing to be promoted or getting relegated. It's happened more often than you think 3. The way the USL is set up now. With the MLS being a relaxed league, an experience like no other is offered in the USL. Changing the setup with Pro/reg would hurt either USL or MLS teams a lot. Plus, the fact teams in the 2. USL are semi-pro and college. It wouldn't make sense at least right now to change the system when the players in the 2. USL wouldn't be ready for the USL and how the USL and MLS clubs would be dwarfed by one another due to the league culture practically being opposites. The change at least for now, doesn't make sense.
Hell even the NBA has been switching its championship teams since the Warriors last won. The US sports leagues have the higher parity when compared to European leagues.
I think in two conferences with 16 teams play in league format. The first 8 of both sides go tô playoffs. The last team is relegated tô league two. The 15th place play a wildcard against The 2nd place of the league 2. The league 2 is 4 regionals groups with 8 teams The 1st tô 4th of e each groups go tô play-off. The last of group play a wildcard against The winner of then respective regional league. The league 3 is A regional championship with the best possible regulation to make it work.
i love this database. one question tho, lets say i also included a database mod for the caribbean and central american nations's leagues. will it be compatable? any reccomendations ?
Thank you! As for working with the other database, I would assume it would work BUT I would simulate one or two seasons and check on the CONCACAF club competitions just to make sure those aren’t broken. Edit: also just so you know, this is for FM23. I will most likely work on a new one for this year’s game, but haven’t gotten around to it just yet
I don’t know what the USL is and I also think you don’t get the point of college sports because it’s a separate league that was not made to be professional
USL is a pro league ‘structure’ with 3 divisions currently. Also I’ve worked in college sports, it’s a bit closer to professional (at some places) than you’d imagine (especially with NIL deals now). But the college leagues are still separated in the database.
I don't think one single league would work, I hate the eastern and western conferences but its understood, USA is about the size of europe alone, even texas is bigger than every european country (other than russia) and its not even the biggest state.
They kinda do go with a single league as is though. But yeah I do agree that the size of the US is a hindrance. If I had my way we’d have more than one top league! But I don’t think it is realistically going to happen
@@tambi.football I’m hoping USL will be adding it! I don’t think it’s going to happen with MLS unfortunately, they don’t even want to play in the Open Cup… Time will tell!
I have seen a lot of new US soccer system for FM and I have to say, this one is the best one yet. You keep the playoffs which is awsome and include pro/rel. Just 1 quick question; Do the Minor league teams get relegated too or is MLS still a closed league but with 2 divisons now? USL ig is like NCCA now except with pro teams
Thank you for that! I’m hoping to make a version for FM24 as well. Minor league teams will NOT be relegated - I decided to leave the top divisions closed as I felt that’s more likely with MLS. USL is regionalized similarly to how i did the college but they don’t promote to MLS
@@spainishheron yeah I think this year when I recreate this, I will most likely do the same thing with the top divisions and then try and figure out a pro/rel option for USL that I think would make sense. Only hard part of that is I’ll have to pull a lot of USL clubs to the Minor League Soccer part, so we’ll see!
I think the MLS in your system should really be split. 18 Teams in MLS Elite, 18 Teams in MLS Challengers. 36 teams is IMO far too much. Make it 18 teams on each instead. The top 8 teams will of Elite will do a playoff style tournament after normal season to be crowned Ultimate Elite Cup Champion of some such, while 9-16 of Elite will have a playoff tournament against the 3-10 of Challengers. 2 teams with lowest points are relegated from tier 1, while 2 teams with highest are automatically promoted. Basically this means that there's almost always something to fight for. Against automatic relegation, to avoid the relegation playoffs or to get in the Ultimate Elite Cup.
Honestly I like that idea but I also do like keeping more clubs in the top division, similarly to MLS in real life. It’s not perfect but with the amount of markets we have I like having a big top division
Yep! Thats my plan. Held back a little right now so will probably wait until the winter update as last year, a lot of databases I made before were broken after that big update.
I think US soccer should do an hybrid system. You keep the actual two franchise-based conferences like they are, but you add two conferences : western Pro-Rel conference and eastern Pro-Rel conference. Voila, problem solved without destroying the old system, the only difference is the playoff brackets is one match longer...
I would love this to be honest! Not sure how to replicate it in the database editor but I hope that’s where it’ll end up down the road. I’d prefer a true open system like England but idk if that’s ever going to happen
MLS will never allow that. The only system i can ever see realistically coming up in the USA, Is making MLS have like 60 teams divided in 4 Conferences (East, Midwest, West and Canada) and even more if football explodes in popularity. Its kinda funny, but MLS is following the opposite path the Brasileirao followed. The Brazilians started as Regional Championships, eventually turning into a National League. But the USA will start as a National League, but as the sport gains popularity it will inevitably be divided into multiple Conferences. I do expect like 20 years from now. That the teams on the East Conference wont ever face the teams in the West Conference until the playoffs. In fact a system like that would be fun to watch. As regional rivalries would truly spark. And the playoffs would also birth Elite National Rivalries. Basically making MLS a League with like 4 Leagues within. The USA is a huge country in terms of size. So imagining a 60 or 80 teams league divided in multiple conferences doesn't sound that crazy.
MLS will go to 32 teams. I believe San Diego is the next addition to the MLS summer 2025 which will make it jump to 30. Then 2 more teams will be added between the WC and 2030. Believe a 4th & 5th Canadian team will be the last 2. NHL NFL supports 32 teams. Whilst NBA and MLB have 30 teams but are in discussion for expansion to 32 each. So i can see the MLS moving to 32 aswell. 16 per conference.
Yeah it seems to grow in ‘pockets’ if that makes sense. I’d hope one day that it can expand but the USSF and money will probably always be a hindrance if we are being honest.
@@SoccerScenarios It's not about where they are based, I'd love more bay area teams in the MLS but SF City is a fan owned club in USL 2. Sacramento Republic makes sense but idk about SF City.
@@SanFranFan30 ohhh yeah totally get that. I honestly just used them because I liked the name badge and colors but yeah they’d need a rich owner for this to happen in real life haha
Nobody cares about NCAA finals, but they DO care about the Open Cup. Why can't NCAA teams play in the Open Cup, USSF? Would create even more interest around this tourney that Garber hates because of its populist roots.
I’d love that! They would have to alter either the cup schedule or extend the college season, but if they could figure that out, I would love to see some college teams in it.
I’m making my own US Pyramid, but it’s for FM 2020 lol. Is there a certain place you went to find out how to regionalize the leagues especially for relegation? ,asking sure that western conference teams got relegated to a western division? Only thing I really don’t know how to do right now
Hey there! For regionalization I set the leagues to have subdivisions. You can then set what league they promote/relegate from within that. However, I can’t figure out a way to have cross league games in this set up (like how mls has East and west conference, but play each other). That is why I only have one division for Major League and Minor League soccer.
@@SoccerScenarios thank you so much for your reply. I read somewhere that you would have to go to advanced rules and there is an option there where you can have them play teams in a different conference. If I figure it out I’ll definitely let you know. Thanks again 👍
get rid of the salary cap...pay the players minimum 900K and watch the MLS grow WORLDWIDE... let the U.S. use the image advantage it has over the world and concentrate on our marketing through our innovative marketing skills advantage through media...the U.S. is the envy of the world...by attracting high skilled players and marketing the players, teams and our country, the league would be the envy of the world...pay the players and market worldwide...get the best players from around the world and here to symbolize the U.S. as a true melting pot of international superstar players (in order to make sustantial amounts of cash MONEY profits)...the NFL and NBA are huge because of marketing, media, and money...use that advantage and stop thinking about growing through sportsmanship and the beauty of the game...if the MLS becomes huge through media and hype and CASH money, the best players and the best high qualilty games will follow...and one other thing, if these newly added teams or even veteran teams can't afford to pay the players a minimum of 900K or better yet 1m, don't allow them into the MLS or expell them from the league...come back when you are ready to pay your superstars the money that they deserve...your team needs to exposure and the billion dollar endorsements...remember it's all about the 3m's (marketing, media, and money) to create and keep MLS the best and most exciting league in the world with the most fans...
Yep! Instead we make you buy the apple season pass and never raise the cap. MLS helped us to be conservative and survive when it had to but now it feels like these rules are just a hindrance.
@@Germxchine definitely! I don’t know if we’ll ever have relegation here but I thought it would be an interesting twist on the concept, like our playoffs we have to decide a champion
The cap is a huge problem for me and another not very many people mention is how the MLS is constructed like NFL/NBA. I absolutely hate East vs West they have. It should all be 1 category where the team with most pts at the end of the season is MLS champs. Bc rn ATL is one of THE worst teams in MLS but if somehow they manage to get to #10 poof it was a successful season( just bc they make the playoffs which shouldn’t be a thing) as for Pro/Reg I want it badly but every USL team would need to build a stadium just in case they get promoted.
Honestly, in that picture, I’m not sure. It SHOULD be MLS NEXT PRO, so that could’ve been a placeholder at the time? But yeah the real 3rd division contains NISA, USL League One, and MLS NP
If LigaMX keeps wrecking MLS teams in CCL, i am sure at some point they will reach a point where they will get rid of the salary cap. Specially with how FIFA is planning the World Club Cup to work. MLS pride will be hurt when the entire representation of Concacaf is LigaMX.
Technically no, but you can start a save in FM23 and transfer it over to FM24. If you don’t have FM23, I don’t mind making a save file on FM24 for you to use I will be making a new version for FM24 at some point but not sure when/will probably change some things up
mls can't have promotion and relegation, since owners of teams own the league, i think usl should have promotion and relegation and be a mls competitor in the us
I think the pro/rel system would really grow the MLS internationally and make it a higher quality league. Players would more likely want to come, teams can improve and have more to play for throughout the season (especially the teams near the bottom who can’t qualify for the playoffs) and also it can give smaller USL Championship clubs the chance to make it into MLS. By all means keep the MLS play offs as they keep the American feel to the league as it’s unique but for me adding pro/rel to US Soccer can really help it grow.
I think it would help grow the game at lower levels, for sure. Unfortunately MLS and its owners seem to only care about themselves, so I doubt it will happen any time soon 👎
The powers that be should not be allowed to monopolize a sport, as a closed system is corrupt by definition. Awarding franchises instead of allowing clubs to fairly earn a place among the elite is against the principles of soccer
Can you do the same thing with Indian Sub-Continental countries? Then I will subscribe... and probably many more football fans from the sub-continent...
If MLS did add promotion/relegation, they could have the last team in each conference play in a relegation playoff to decide who stays up to make things intresting.
@@PBPgriffinleo I’m sorry man! I will say if you ever get the chance to get it on pc, I’d give it a go. I used to run it on a computer that couldn’t even load 3d but had a blast with all the league mods available on computer.
@@SoccerScenarios No worries, loved the idea! yeah I might at some point we'll see. don't want to pay for the PC version just to get bored in a couple of hours lol
First I have to say that u did a good job mate (even if hearing soccer really hurt my ears), thinking abt the smaller teams and find a way to include rel/prom in the system, and even mange to put the american touch with the colleges teams. But I think that 38 teams, 76 fixtures at least ! It's too much... Here in France, Ligue1 even switched to the 18 teams system like in Germany (even if the best system is 20 imo). Other than that u did well and I think that the MLS should take notes bc they really need to change some stuff if they want to get competitive one day, they have potential but the franchise system doesn't really work with football...
Hey! Thank you! And sorry (but not really) for calling it soccer 😉 I did cut the fixtures down by only having them play the other teams once. It’s weird but I think it makes sense as they can still win by qualifying for playoffs, though I wouldn’t like this with a normal league system (say the winner got more home games 👎) I wouldn’t be surprised if MLS does something like this one day, but I’m not sure how they would implement it with the current structure. Only time (and maybe some law changes) will tell!
Tbh first time ive seen this channel. Was not gonaa sub till he said you can always unsub later if he gets on my nerves. Good play ill sub but will probaly see another video in the fyp and go who is this and unsub but enjoy for now my dude
Hey man, I love the idea but you got to remember that college teams have their own conferences lol, i dont think the teams would like if they got stripped from their conference
Yeah I wasn’t going for realistic college soccer, I went more for an alternate regionalized version. I think next year I might try and go more realistic with it, but I’d have to figure out how to add a out of conference schedule/conference schedule that would both affect that national champ. It’s hard to do it in the database.
@@shebyfc yeah of course! I would love to add the true conferences in next year if I can figure out a way for it to work. I started this pretty late in the cycle so I'll have more time to figure it out for fm24.
The LPC ( or CPL in english ) should join USA 2nd or 3rd division. it would make sense because of the Canadian and Québécois team's in the MLS. Also I think it should have less teams. 1 game and only 2 day's of trainning/rest. Sometime 1 game, 1 rest / training then another game. Like I start good in the season and then the more I i get advance in competition, it just kill my team and I am done for the rest of season.
What I meant is it stops us from dominating in international comps (for us specifically against Mexico). We’ve seen more of a swing where it seems more balanced between US/Mex, but I still think the salary cap may help with parity in a domestic league but I don’t think it’s helpful for continental comps
they used to call it football in past league names such as National Association Football League, but they went defunt right at the time NFL was founded in 1920. by the 1930s, soccer leagues started to add the word "soccer" in the league names just to not to be confused with the National Football League. its not rocket science why people in america call it soccer instead of football. you go to a bar here and say "how about that football game last night?" they're not gonna think of Manchester City, they're gonna think of Dallas Cowboys
Actually the USL might be trying to do that, they announced that they’re making a decision on pro/rel. Though I don’t know how that’s going to work out because there would still be no promotion to mls.
Either that or we need regional leagues that end up in a national playoff. Thats honestly what I would prefer, though player dilution would hurt for a while. I think the youth system would catch up over time.
@@SoccerScenarios So many negatives. Like teams going insolvent. And the whole league falling apart. Part of a closed system is the business safety that comes with it. I'd rather have my league with my team in it. Than have my team get relegated and maybe go bankrupt and dissolve. Or the whole league just dissolve. The American system makes more sense. It might be missing a few extra exciting moments but the pros far outweigh the cons.
@@SuperSirianRigel meh there are just as many, if not more, bankrupted clubs/leagues in a closed system (because it’s only good for the top). Even in other countries where clubs go bankrupt and dissolve, Phoenix clubs are pretty common. I’d much rather have the risk of my club being relegated/dissolve and be able to found a Phoenix club than to be like the Oakland A’s after this season.
@@SoccerScenarios Nah. Pro/Rel isn't good. And I never want it for MLS. Ever. Your arguments don't change my mind. So just stop. Not ever gonna happen. Just like you are obviously hooked on the non-American idea of our sports leagues looking like everyone else's apparently. I'm an old school American sports fan who grew up watching college football and basketball before I ever discovered soccer. No one Ever played or even watched soccer anywhere around where I lived when I was growing up. Schools didn't even have soccer teams for students. lol. I like the sport. But I don't care how everyone wants Our soccer league to match everyone else's. It's a non-starter here in America. Not so long as soccer isn't even close to the number one sport in America. So I just can't agree with the idea of Pro/Rel. Soooo... Let's just not speak of it ever again. It's for the best. lol.
@@SuperSirianRigel why are you telling me to just stop when you commented on one of my videos? 😂 I’m glad you like the American sports system, that’s fine. But just saying it wouldn’t work here (it would) isn’t true (because it does literally every where else). And yeah I do prefer how other sports leagues do it (I think tanking in the NFL shows the biggest flaw of a closed system- being rewarded for being poor). I definitely prefer the European system but yeah that’s why I follow that more closely than MLS and other American leagues.
Eh I’m not sure. I think it’s more of how MLS is structured than anything. Though adding Messi to any mid to lower level league will instantly make that team a competitor, for sure!
The Americans do love their play offs a lot, so i think such a system seems pretty cool for the US
Yes we do! Best time of the year 😂
Belgian pro league argentine primera division and swiss super league also have this
@@DanLe-vr9cj I actually didn’t know that! That’s pretty cool. Of course my favorite is Champions League, though it’s not really playoffs it feels like it
@@SoccerScenariospray for basel 1894, they're trapped in the relegation half
Champions League Round of 16 is basically the same as Playoffs, Europeans love their knock out football too :)
As a MLS enjoyer, I think the worst thing is the salary cap, even without relagation, it is still enjoyable, like for hockey exemple, no relagation and it is very entertaning to watch.
I agree, I think the salary cap is much more of a negative effect than lack of pro/rel. honestly they can keep the cap, but it’s too low! If they raise it that would help
@@SoccerScenarios True, there is good and bad but if we only talk about the NA, but internationaly, it hurt us, and our concurence against other leagues.
@@scieto_qc9309 absolutely. And if we are going to compete with even the Mexican league, I think we need to increase it. I still think liga mx is overall the better league. With the new club World Cup expansion, if we want to compete, it’s a requirement!
Ehhh. I’m not so sure. It’s not the salary cap it’s more of the transfer rules in the mls. I quite like the salary cap because it makes the league more interesting rather than it be dominated by big market, rich teams.
@@floridaman478 the issue isn’t a salary cap, it’s how low it is. They’d be fine if they just expanded it. Imo it’s about 4 times too low, if they are truly trying to become a top 5 league.
Interesting ideas but having such a massive top league would have such a devastating affect on the players, mostly on their fitness. Player in Europe already complain about having too many fixtures playing 38 domestic games and so many domestic and potentially continental cup ties. Maybe copying the European league model with more regionalisation would be good considering how large the US is.
I definitely agree with you! I wish instead of one massive league, they would split the American top league into regions. Especially if there’s no pro/rel, because then we simply have more clubs. The problem with that would be dilution of talent plus we’d miss out on bigger teams playing such as LA Galaxy vs Inter Miami.
I think the option of 1 game per opponent per season is a good compromise and wouldn’t be surprised if they switch to that.
18 teams > 20 teams
You say players in Europe complain about having too many games but then say we should replicate Europe in back to back sentences.
There’s 29 teams in the MLS now and they only play 34 matches, less than European leagues
i mean, you could go with 16 MLS clubs and then a series of 3 regional divisons, East, West and Central with 20 teams ro whatever. Top teams from each of the leagues below are proted and three are relegated and placed in the relavant conferences below geographically like in the English pyramid from conference north adnd south in to the main national conference. (well "national league" now as is").
Even if you kept the 20 teams i don't see how ficxture congestion would be nearly as bad as it would be in the eruo-leagues without the insanity of the champions league. 20 team MLS with 4 going down, three national leagues below and a play off system between the 3 second place teams in those conferences for the fouth promotion slot. Or if you really want to americanise it - have the 4th bottom team in the MLS enter the play offs with the teams below to try and retain their position
I am an old man, i remember when the top flight of English football had 24 teams, but Euro football was straight knockout all the way. Domestic football isn't what causes ficture pile ups (outside of the lower leagues without weatherised picthes)
Well for example if you pick top teams from UK they play in: Premier League, two domestic cups, Champions League, and to add to that they need to send players to national teams.
So think of it the way that US clubs could only play in MLS, and some whatever international cup games which ain't really important on their continent. Basically you can focus only on MLS even if team needs to play 60 games in MLS or something.
Also it could be made in a fun way like you play one round - 35 games, basically one game against each team, and then you move into your conference. Or you start in conference with like 7 games, then do that 35 and then play-offs. Different take would be 35 games and then Swiss system, like the one which will be in Champions League in season 24/25, and then normal play offs.
Whats interesting is USL2 teams have a lot of college players, since they are mostly semi pro, they kind of make up the spring summer season for these players who play fall soccer with their colleges
That is absolutely the truth. I wish there was a way to ‘force’ this to happen in-game to make the USL2-NCAA combo more realistic but I’m yet to figure that out
I’m doing a similar save in FM24 with a local team that’s in USL League 2 found a database on UA-cam. This is definitely going to be my next save project with a college save.
Thanks for posted the database. You earned a sub.
Thanks for the kind words! This is for FM23 technically, but I’m planning on releasing a save file with it for FM24 soon! I’ll pin a comment on this video once I do.
@@SoccerScenarios thank you for that. I can’t wait!!
I use to be critical of the MLS system, but now I can see why it makes sense in a way. The US is not just a country like England where Chelsea and Spurs can exist in the same location, the US is a whole continent so travelling end-to-end week in and week out just wouldn't work. I remember Pirlo having similar complains about the unusual long distance travelling. So this system work cause East Coast vs West Coast is already engrained into US culture, so it's better to create a league around that system since it's a proven formula that works.
First off, Great job! I see you've put a lot of effort into it!
Second, I would really like it if you went through each league and listed all of the teams, just so we know what to expect. You don't have to though!
Thank you for that! I appreciate it :)
For the second part I usually don’t go through all leagues as it cuts down on video retention, which can in turn hurt the video (as far as I understand, I’m of course not a UA-cam guru 😂) I’ll take it into consideration for future databases though!
@@SoccerScenarios Thanks for the reply! And good luck on the databases! (If you make them, that is.)
I think the MLS is way to young to add promotion and relagation. First off they need to build bigger fan bases and with footy growing more and more in USA and canada I can see it happen in 10 or so years, especially after 2026 WC.
I think it would be okay but I just don’t think MLS would do it. If they could poach any USL teams for a second division that actually could get promoted, I think it would work, similarly to the database. But as long as MLS is able to call the shots we won’t see it
I think it'd be good for them to start it in the lower tiers 1st to let the fanbase and hype grow, then introduce MLS into the whole pyramid once the system is properly established and they've created a good financial safety net.
Like maybe pro-rel for USL Championship down to UPSL. it could go: USL Championship - USL 1/NISA - USL 2/UPSL/NPSL-(Eventually more local leagues).
No foreigner will watch the MLS if it means nothing to finish at the bottom
@@SoccerScenarios With the current valuation of the clubs, no American owner is going to risk their now-billion dollar investment turning from sure thing, into a gamble to stay up. Had promotion/relegation been in place in the 90's for MLS, there would have been that mutual understanding.
The promotion and relegation thing between the MLS and USL Championship is a little bit confusing with the play-offs. I assumed that the top 16 teams from the USL Championship would face off against each other in 2-legged games(like Europa League or Conference League playoffs in Europe for knockout stage). I then assumed that the winners of those games would then face off against the 8 other MLS teams that are just above the last-placed team. I then assumed it would be like the relegation play-offs like how they do it in Germany and the only difference would be that there is more teams. This is also similar to the Europa League or Conference League playoffs in Europe for knockout stage.
That’s actually a pretty cool idea but no, the winner of minor league gets to go up and loser of mls relegation goes down
If you come last in the supporters shield table. Its called the Wooden Spoon award
Relegation without relegation.
1. MLS future: 40 teams divided into 2 levels. Top level 20 teams and lower level ' dog house ' 20 teams , only 1 conference.
2. Every half of the season the bottom 10 teams from top would be ralegated to the dog house and the top 10 teams from te dog house would be promoted to the top level. And the next year season will be the teams will start from the places that they ended previous season.
3. Each team will play 38 games , no playoffs! Beacouse the entire seasson will be like playoffs. Champion of the fall will play champion of spring in MLS cup. The season will start in july /august and end in may/june. In this way we can streach the season more if teams from colder locations start hosting later and stop hosting earlier. Mls cup will be in june.
4. in this system MLS clubs will play total 15% more games than before. It does not make sanse that half of the teams end season sooner than the rest.
5. It would be a nice compromise between relegation/promotion and the current system of far niente were many players love to finish the season sooner!
6. There are would be no safe middle of the table place , it will be easy to be relegated and easy to be promoted.
7. The revenue would be divided between franchises the same way as before so the teams in the dog house would no suffer financially.
8. This system would create a lot of excitments all year long.
The good thing about MLS is the fact you don't see teams passing back to the keeper. It's about going out to score . Also a different team winns most seasons. Which is nice .
Great concept I'm currently trying to combine the concacaf clubs with the south American libertadores
ur actually really underrated u deserve more subs
I appreciate that! We are growing slowly but surely 😄
Damn it, do I play as Riverhounds and start fairly high up (tier 2, and probably one of the favorites to move up to tier 1) or do I play as Pitt or Robert Morris and take the hard route...
The college level in the database honestly isn’t too difficult, I did my own playthrough and won the national champ in the first season 😂 I’d go Riverhounds and take them to the top!
I would have 12 team prem, 12 championship west & 12 team championship east. 4 x 12 team conferences at league 1 level and 8 x 8 team conferences at League 2 level.
Just keep the MLS the way it is. It’s doing fine. It takes time to improve and the MLS is slowly improving.
I have been trying to learn the pre-game editor to do a few things to the MSL.
1. Remove the Salary cap and contract types.
2. Allow for prize money and/or distributed money to help grow the clubs.
Unfortunately, can't seem to figure out how to do it yet.
Yeah, editing the USA is difficult. Once you go into the mls to change things, it usually breaks how mls works (salary cap, draft, etc)
That’s honestly why I settled on this alternate system. Plus, I honestly don’t care to think about the mls rules 😂😅
This is very cool, and very well spoken. Any chance of doing a tutorial of how to setup a league like this? Always wanted to do something similar
These are the reasons the MLS is completely fine.
1. The Salary Cap. Could it be a bit higher, yes. But this is the one thing that stops clubs to overly spend on players. It keeps every team competitive and ensures every team actually has a real chance of winning. Just look at how many teams in the NHL, NFL, MLS, and MLB have switched winning teams over the years. A team may win 2-3 times in a row but that's it.
2. No promotion/relegation. The reason I say this is for 2 key reasons. Firstly, it would be hard for a smaller club to be able to even play in the MLS due to the Continent-wide travel that you don't have to deal with in England, which makes change really hard to adapt too. Secondly even with divisions, having too many like 4 isn't an option as Traveling the Mississippi river is way different than traveling the entire 38th parallel. Plus, the fact each state could be considered a country. It also makes sure nobody tries to spend SOOO much just to collapse after failing to be promoted or getting relegated. It's happened more often than you think
3. The way the USL is set up now. With the MLS being a relaxed league, an experience like no other is offered in the USL. Changing the setup with Pro/reg would hurt either USL or MLS teams a lot. Plus, the fact teams in the 2. USL are semi-pro and college. It wouldn't make sense at least right now to change the system when the players in the 2. USL wouldn't be ready for the USL and how the USL and MLS clubs would be dwarfed by one another due to the league culture practically being opposites. The change at least for now, doesn't make sense.
Hell even the NBA has been switching its championship teams since the Warriors last won. The US sports leagues have the higher parity when compared to European leagues.
I think in two conferences with 16 teams play in league format. The first 8 of both sides go tô playoffs. The last team is relegated tô league two. The 15th place play a wildcard against The 2nd place of the league 2. The league 2 is 4 regionals groups with 8 teams The 1st tô 4th of e each groups go tô play-off. The last of group play a wildcard against The winner of then respective regional league. The league 3 is A regional championship with
the best possible regulation to make it work.
Looks awesome! Did you include Georgia Southern by any chance? They're D1 for the first time next year.
Nice work!!
Thank you! I just checked and yes they are in there!
@@SoccerScenarios Ah awesome! Definitely going to load up a game with it, thank you man
@@olliemitchell12 no problem! I hope you enjoy it!
@@olliemitchell12 I will say you should check the box that says ‘add players to teams’ as I don’t have the real players loaded in.
i love this database. one question tho, lets say i also included a database mod for the caribbean and central american nations's leagues. will it be compatable? any reccomendations ?
Thank you! As for working with the other database, I would assume it would work BUT I would simulate one or two seasons and check on the CONCACAF club competitions just to make sure those aren’t broken.
Edit: also just so you know, this is for FM23. I will most likely work on a new one for this year’s game, but haven’t gotten around to it just yet
looks mad fun to do a RTG save. gonna see if there's any teams from jersey
There is always the red bulls! ;) hope you enjoy!
I don’t know what the USL is and I also think you don’t get the point of college sports because it’s a separate league that was not made to be professional
USL is a pro league ‘structure’ with 3 divisions currently. Also I’ve worked in college sports, it’s a bit closer to professional (at some places) than you’d imagine (especially with NIL deals now). But the college leagues are still separated in the database.
Actually, there is a 4-player version of chess. It's on a 10x10 board. Arnold Schönberg invented it. Yes, the musician.
Would this be possible to upload for FM24? Or would it be way too much work?
I can upload a save file that should work! Teams won’t be updated but it’ll be the same as this video set up wise
@@SoccerScenarios That would be awesome! Looks like a fun setup and structure.
I don't think one single league would work, I hate the eastern and western conferences but its understood, USA is about the size of europe alone, even texas is bigger than every european country (other than russia) and its not even the biggest state.
They kinda do go with a single league as is though. But yeah I do agree that the size of the US is a hindrance. If I had my way we’d have more than one top league! But I don’t think it is realistically going to happen
@@SoccerScenarios same but I hope they add relegation to both of them
@@tambi.football I’m hoping USL will be adding it! I don’t think it’s going to happen with MLS unfortunately, they don’t even want to play in the Open Cup…
Time will tell!
@@SoccerScenarios yep I hope the USL gets better, it’s more within modern European soccer other than the usual American sports system
I have seen a lot of new US soccer system for FM and I have to say, this one is the best one yet. You keep the playoffs which is awsome and include pro/rel. Just 1 quick question; Do the Minor league teams get relegated too or is MLS still a closed league but with 2 divisons now? USL ig is like NCCA now except with pro teams
Thank you for that! I’m hoping to make a version for FM24 as well. Minor league teams will NOT be relegated - I decided to leave the top divisions closed as I felt that’s more likely with MLS. USL is regionalized similarly to how i did the college but they don’t promote to MLS
@@SoccerScenarios Yeah I also think thid woyuld be the most realistic way of pro-rel. Maybe USL and USL LEAGUE 1 DO PRO-REL too but not with MLS
@@spainishheron yeah I think this year when I recreate this, I will most likely do the same thing with the top divisions and then try and figure out a pro/rel option for USL that I think would make sense. Only hard part of that is I’ll have to pull a lot of USL clubs to the Minor League Soccer part, so we’ll see!
Hey will this come back for FM24?
Yes that is my plan! Working on another DB right now but I’ll probably be working on this one after the winter update
@@SoccerScenarios Can't wait to see it!
@@vakama4923 thank you! 😊
I think the MLS in your system should really be split. 18 Teams in MLS Elite, 18 Teams in MLS Challengers. 36 teams is IMO far too much. Make it 18 teams on each instead. The top 8 teams will of Elite will do a playoff style tournament after normal season to be crowned Ultimate Elite Cup Champion of some such, while 9-16 of Elite will have a playoff tournament against the 3-10 of Challengers. 2 teams with lowest points are relegated from tier 1, while 2 teams with highest are automatically promoted.
Basically this means that there's almost always something to fight for. Against automatic relegation, to avoid the relegation playoffs or to get in the Ultimate Elite Cup.
Honestly I like that idea but I also do like keeping more clubs in the top division, similarly to MLS in real life. It’s not perfect but with the amount of markets we have I like having a big top division
will you make this in FM24 as well?
Yep! Thats my plan. Held back a little right now so will probably wait until the winter update as last year, a lot of databases I made before were broken after that big update.
@@SoccerScenariosupdate?
I think US soccer should do an hybrid system.
You keep the actual two franchise-based conferences like they are, but you add two conferences : western Pro-Rel conference and eastern Pro-Rel conference.
Voila, problem solved without destroying the old system, the only difference is the playoff brackets is one match longer...
I would love this to be honest! Not sure how to replicate it in the database editor but I hope that’s where it’ll end up down the road. I’d prefer a true open system like England but idk if that’s ever going to happen
MLS will never allow that.
The only system i can ever see realistically coming up in the USA,
Is making MLS have like 60 teams divided in 4 Conferences (East, Midwest, West and Canada) and even more if football explodes in popularity.
Its kinda funny, but MLS is following the opposite path the Brasileirao followed.
The Brazilians started as Regional Championships, eventually turning into a National League.
But the USA will start as a National League, but as the sport gains popularity it will inevitably be divided into multiple Conferences.
I do expect like 20 years from now.
That the teams on the East Conference wont ever face the teams in the West Conference until the playoffs.
In fact a system like that would be fun to watch. As regional rivalries would truly spark. And the playoffs would also birth Elite National Rivalries.
Basically making MLS a League with like 4 Leagues within.
The USA is a huge country in terms of size. So imagining a 60 or 80 teams league divided in multiple conferences doesn't sound that crazy.
MLS will go to 32 teams. I believe San Diego is the next addition to the MLS summer 2025 which will make it jump to 30. Then 2 more teams will be added between the WC and 2030. Believe a 4th & 5th Canadian team will be the last 2.
NHL NFL supports 32 teams. Whilst NBA and MLB have 30 teams but are in discussion for expansion to 32 each. So i can see the MLS moving to 32 aswell. 16 per conference.
Soccer in usa wil never grow until it is entrenched into usa culture with cheerleaders colleges etc. Currently it is not american culture
Yeah it seems to grow in ‘pockets’ if that makes sense. I’d hope one day that it can expand but the USSF and money will probably always be a hindrance if we are being honest.
@SoccerScenarios pockets won't expand into typical American household. Footbal is involved into American culture they are in one thing
@@wingedhussar1453 I agree 100%
Sacramento FC and SF City FC in the top flight is fucking preposterous to me.
Eh maybe in an American sports system it wouldn’t make sense but it certainly would make sense in a more open system
If you really want your mind blown you should look at how many clubs in the premier league are based in London haha
@@SoccerScenarios It's not about where they are based, I'd love more bay area teams in the MLS but SF City is a fan owned club in USL 2. Sacramento Republic makes sense but idk about SF City.
@@SoccerScenarios Sacremento getting promoted, sure since they've been a pretty good side in the top level of USL but SF City is 4th tier team.
@@SanFranFan30 ohhh yeah totally get that. I honestly just used them because I liked the name badge and colors but yeah they’d need a rich owner for this to happen in real life haha
Nobody cares about NCAA finals, but they DO care about the Open Cup. Why can't NCAA teams play in the Open Cup, USSF? Would create even more interest around this tourney that Garber hates because of its populist roots.
I’d love that! They would have to alter either the cup schedule or extend the college season, but if they could figure that out, I would love to see some college teams in it.
I’m making my own US Pyramid, but it’s for FM 2020 lol. Is there a certain place you went to find out how to regionalize the leagues especially for relegation? ,asking sure that western conference teams got relegated to a western division? Only thing I really don’t know how to do right now
Hey there! For regionalization I set the leagues to have subdivisions. You can then set what league they promote/relegate from within that.
However, I can’t figure out a way to have cross league games in this set up (like how mls has East and west conference, but play each other). That is why I only have one division for Major League and Minor League soccer.
@@SoccerScenarios thank you so much for your reply. I read somewhere that you would have to go to advanced rules and there is an option there where you can have them play teams in a different conference. If I figure it out I’ll definitely let you know. Thanks again 👍
get rid of the salary cap...pay the players minimum 900K and watch the MLS grow WORLDWIDE... let the U.S. use the image advantage it has over the world and concentrate on our marketing through our innovative marketing skills advantage through media...the U.S. is the envy of the world...by attracting high skilled players and marketing the players, teams and our country, the league would be the envy of the world...pay the players and market worldwide...get the best players from around the world and here to symbolize the U.S. as a true melting pot of international superstar players (in order to make sustantial amounts of cash MONEY profits)...the NFL and NBA are huge because of marketing, media, and money...use that advantage and stop thinking about growing through sportsmanship and the beauty of the game...if the MLS becomes huge through media and hype and CASH money, the best players and the best high qualilty games will follow...and one other thing, if these newly added teams or even veteran teams can't afford to pay the players a minimum of 900K or better yet 1m, don't allow them into the MLS or expell them from the league...come back when you are ready to pay your superstars the money that they deserve...your team needs to exposure and the billion dollar endorsements...remember it's all about the 3m's (marketing, media, and money) to create and keep MLS the best and most exciting league in the world with the most fans...
Yep! Instead we make you buy the apple season pass and never raise the cap. MLS helped us to be conservative and survive when it had to but now it feels like these rules are just a hindrance.
the relegation battle: if you win as an mls club u stay in mls?
In the relegation playoff yes! It’s basically the opposite of American champions playoff. Loser advances until the final loser is relegated 😄
@@SoccerScenarios Funny concept honestly
@@Germxchine definitely! I don’t know if we’ll ever have relegation here but I thought it would be an interesting twist on the concept, like our playoffs we have to decide a champion
The cap is a huge problem for me and another not very many people mention is how the MLS is constructed like NFL/NBA. I absolutely hate East vs West they have. It should all be 1 category where the team with most pts at the end of the season is MLS champs. Bc rn ATL is one of THE worst teams in MLS but if somehow they manage to get to #10 poof it was a successful season( just bc they make the playoffs which shouldn’t be a thing) as for Pro/Reg I want it badly but every USL team would need to build a stadium just in case they get promoted.
Do you know how huge the US is. That wouldn't be possible.
What league is the one next to usl league one?
To the right
Honestly, in that picture, I’m not sure. It SHOULD be MLS NEXT PRO, so that could’ve been a placeholder at the time? But yeah the real 3rd division contains NISA, USL League One, and MLS NP
If LigaMX keeps wrecking MLS teams in CCL, i am sure at some point they will reach a point where they will get rid of the salary cap.
Specially with how FIFA is planning the World Club Cup to work.
MLS pride will be hurt when the entire representation of Concacaf is LigaMX.
hey man, does this work for fm 24
Technically no, but you can start a save in FM23 and transfer it over to FM24. If you don’t have FM23, I don’t mind making a save file on FM24 for you to use
I will be making a new version for FM24 at some point but not sure when/will probably change some things up
Time to take Forward Madison and Peoria City to glory lolololol
mls can't have promotion and relegation, since owners of teams own the league, i think usl should have promotion and relegation and be a mls competitor in the us
Without relegation the league can't be considered a league
I think the pro/rel system would really grow the MLS internationally and make it a higher quality league. Players would more likely want to come, teams can improve and have more to play for throughout the season (especially the teams near the bottom who can’t qualify for the playoffs) and also it can give smaller USL Championship clubs the chance to make it into MLS. By all means keep the MLS play offs as they keep the American feel to the league as it’s unique but for me adding pro/rel to US Soccer can really help it grow.
I think it would help grow the game at lower levels, for sure. Unfortunately MLS and its owners seem to only care about themselves, so I doubt it will happen any time soon 👎
The powers that be should not be allowed to monopolize a sport, as a closed system is corrupt by definition.
Awarding franchises instead of allowing clubs to fairly earn a place among the elite is against the principles of soccer
I want them to add promotion and relegation
Me too! I’m hoping USL will push for it. I believe it would work.
@@SoccerScenarios also is there a fm24 version
Can you do the same thing with Indian Sub-Continental countries? Then I will subscribe... and probably many more football fans from the sub-continent...
I love doing databases so I’ll definitely look into it!
If MLS did add promotion/relegation, they could have the last team in each conference play in a relegation playoff to decide who stays up to make things intresting.
Music?
If I’m honest, I don’t remember… it was part of the editing software I used to use but I’ve since switched
simulate it please
I will probably make this for FM24 as well - and I will definitely do a video simulating it!
Are these loadable onto the console version or just PC
Unfortunately I think it’s just for PC. I’m not sure if it’s possible to mod other versions.
@@SoccerScenarios Damn
@@PBPgriffinleo I’m sorry man! I will say if you ever get the chance to get it on pc, I’d give it a go. I used to run it on a computer that couldn’t even load 3d but had a blast with all the league mods available on computer.
@@SoccerScenarios No worries, loved the idea! yeah I might at some point we'll see. don't want to pay for the PC version just to get bored in a couple of hours lol
@@PBPgriffinleo yeah I bought fm16 and the same thing happened to me. Then tried again on fm18, got hooked, and now I even started a UA-cam for it 😂
First I have to say that u did a good job mate (even if hearing soccer really hurt my ears), thinking abt the smaller teams and find a way to include rel/prom in the system, and even mange to put the american touch with the colleges teams. But I think that 38 teams, 76 fixtures at least ! It's too much... Here in France, Ligue1 even switched to the 18 teams system like in Germany (even if the best system is 20 imo). Other than that u did well and I think that the MLS should take notes bc they really need to change some stuff if they want to get competitive one day, they have potential but the franchise system doesn't really work with football...
Hey! Thank you! And sorry (but not really) for calling it soccer 😉
I did cut the fixtures down by only having them play the other teams once. It’s weird but I think it makes sense as they can still win by qualifying for playoffs, though I wouldn’t like this with a normal league system (say the winner got more home games 👎)
I wouldn’t be surprised if MLS does something like this one day, but I’m not sure how they would implement it with the current structure. Only time (and maybe some law changes) will tell!
Tbh first time ive seen this channel. Was not gonaa sub till he said you can always unsub later if he gets on my nerves. Good play ill sub but will probaly see another video in the fyp and go who is this and unsub but enjoy for now my dude
That works for me! 😂
Hey man, I love the idea but you got to remember that college teams have their own conferences lol, i dont think the teams would like if they got stripped from their conference
Yeah I wasn’t going for realistic college soccer, I went more for an alternate regionalized version. I think next year I might try and go more realistic with it, but I’d have to figure out how to add a out of conference schedule/conference schedule that would both affect that national champ. It’s hard to do it in the database.
@@SoccerScenarios yeah in FM it’s pretty much impossible lmao, but just felt like saying it
@@shebyfc yeah of course! I would love to add the true conferences in next year if I can figure out a way for it to work. I started this pretty late in the cycle so I'll have more time to figure it out for fm24.
@@SoccerScenarios for sure man, good luck
@@shebyfc thank you I appreciate it!
Lol Minor League Soccer
I’m very creative 😂
Subscribed, but get rid of the annoying muzak (unless you wanna get the reputation of a makeup channel). Good luck.
Thanks for the sub! As for music I feel like it is better than none 😅 I use different tracks now so you might like the newer stuff
"franchise"
What is Soccer this is football
NFL
The LPC ( or CPL in english ) should join USA 2nd or 3rd division. it would make sense because of the Canadian and Québécois team's in the MLS. Also I think it should have less teams. 1 game and only 2 day's of trainning/rest. Sometime 1 game, 1 rest / training then another game. Like I start good in the season and then the more I i get advance in competition, it just kill my team and I am done for the rest of season.
Hmm. I think I will take that into account for FM24. I might be able to solve game load just by extended dates of the season
USL>MLS
If they end up establishing pro/rel, I’ll be all in USL
Some of the teams in USL that you think are quality don't even exist any more (Rio Grande...). Nice try though. Never happen.
This is from last year when they did exist haha
Americans talking about the salary cap stopping rich teams from dominating as if not all teams are owned by rich people.
What I meant is it stops us from dominating in international comps (for us specifically against Mexico). We’ve seen more of a swing where it seems more balanced between US/Mex, but I still think the salary cap may help with parity in a domestic league but I don’t think it’s helpful for continental comps
@@SoccerScenarios I agree. The salaries will become highly inflated though.
MLS with no salary cap would just become Liga MX if left unchecked@@damien5971
Start by calling it football
It’s not about the NFL
NFL already called dibs on it.
they used to call it football in past league names such as National Association Football League, but they went defunt right at the time NFL was founded in 1920. by the 1930s, soccer leagues started to add the word "soccer" in the league names just to not to be confused with the National Football League. its not rocket science why people in america call it soccer instead of football. you go to a bar here and say "how about that football game last night?" they're not gonna think of Manchester City, they're gonna think of Dallas Cowboys
MLS should copy England's leagues
Actually the USL might be trying to do that, they announced that they’re making a decision on pro/rel. Though I don’t know how that’s going to work out because there would still be no promotion to mls.
I feel like the German style of relegation playoff would be more likely
No way... The UK league doesn't even have Playoffs... the fck?
Way to many teams play in the MLS, needs a season with loads of relegations
Either that or we need regional leagues that end up in a national playoff. Thats honestly what I would prefer, though player dilution would hurt for a while. I think the youth system would catch up over time.
Pro/Rel? No thanks.
I personally love the idea but I do get there are negatives
@@SoccerScenarios So many negatives. Like teams going insolvent. And the whole league falling apart. Part of a closed system is the business safety that comes with it. I'd rather have my league with my team in it. Than have my team get relegated and maybe go bankrupt and dissolve. Or the whole league just dissolve. The American system makes more sense. It might be missing a few extra exciting moments but the pros far outweigh the cons.
@@SuperSirianRigel meh there are just as many, if not more, bankrupted clubs/leagues in a closed system (because it’s only good for the top). Even in other countries where clubs go bankrupt and dissolve, Phoenix clubs are pretty common. I’d much rather have the risk of my club being relegated/dissolve and be able to found a Phoenix club than to be like the Oakland A’s after this season.
@@SoccerScenarios Nah. Pro/Rel isn't good. And I never want it for MLS. Ever. Your arguments don't change my mind. So just stop. Not ever gonna happen. Just like you are obviously hooked on the non-American idea of our sports leagues looking like everyone else's apparently. I'm an old school American sports fan who grew up watching college football and basketball before I ever discovered soccer. No one Ever played or even watched soccer anywhere around where I lived when I was growing up. Schools didn't even have soccer teams for students. lol. I like the sport. But I don't care how everyone wants Our soccer league to match everyone else's. It's a non-starter here in America. Not so long as soccer isn't even close to the number one sport in America. So I just can't agree with the idea of Pro/Rel. Soooo... Let's just not speak of it ever again. It's for the best. lol.
@@SuperSirianRigel why are you telling me to just stop when you commented on one of my videos? 😂 I’m glad you like the American sports system, that’s fine. But just saying it wouldn’t work here (it would) isn’t true (because it does literally every where else). And yeah I do prefer how other sports leagues do it (I think tanking in the NFL shows the biggest flaw of a closed system- being rewarded for being poor). I definitely prefer the European system but yeah that’s why I follow that more closely than MLS and other American leagues.
😂 closed system American leagues hypocrisy communism
usl is way better than mls
With the USOC decision, I’m going to have to completely agree with you!
Relegation
NCAA… that’s the reason why MLS is a low level league and 1 player was enough to convert the worst time into the best team.
Eh I’m not sure. I think it’s more of how MLS is structured than anything. Though adding Messi to any mid to lower level league will instantly make that team a competitor, for sure!